Wii lacks graphic power of original XBOX
By Jonathan Schlaffer
The Wii is the third most powerful console behind the XBOX 360 and PS3 (but which one of those is number one and two can and will be debated). It’s not the fact that the Wii is in third place but it’s a far far away third place.
I’m not here to argue if the Wii has good games or the apparent lack of functionality in the Wii, I’m just here to tell you that it’s not even as graphically powerful as the original XBOX.
There are just a few things that the Wii can’t do that can be done on the original XBOX but in most other respects it is comparable to the original XBOX in terms of processor horsepower as Game Daily reports. Granted, the Wii isn’t targeted at those who would normally be considered to be gamers.
Its target audience is not regular gamers or those who have the time to play through an epic story line. The Wii targets Moms, Dads, Grandparents, children and those who like going overboard on the in-person multiplayer style games. Basically it targets everyone BUT traditional gamers and being a traditional gamer, it has failed to peak my interest.
My only wish for the Wii is for Nintendo to get away from the mostly “cartoony” graphics and produce something that is a little more realistic (graphically speaking) like Gears of War. I suppose when it comes down to it, that’s what keeps me away from the Wii more than anything.
It should also allow more, a lot more, third party games to be developed for the Wii. Mario was great back in the day but how many more Mario games can the world take? I am sick of Mario, if Nintendo stops making Mario games; it won’t be soon enough for me. I’m pretty sure that won’t happen, despite my wish for it to.
The Wii just doesn’t appeal to me and the games that have been ported to it over from the XBOX 360 look far worse; it’s almost like going from Doom 3 back to Doom. Maybe not that bad but it’s pretty bad.
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June 15th, 2007
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June 15th, 2007
Well you talk about what Xbox can do that Wii cant but you dont go into detail. You just say that and thats it. The Wii is aimed at everyone including gamers. The fact that I dont want to spend $600 bucks on a PS3. Or buy a bunch of games for my 360 doesnt make me any less of a gamer.
June 15th, 2007
I can only be general here and say that games look worse on the Wii… in that there is some loss in detail in the ports. Take Call of Duty 3 which looks awesome on the 360 looks like some poor half baked underdeveloped problem child on the Wii. It lacks detail, it lacks the nuances in shadows and fog effects, it has more jaggies…
I don’t know what that would translate to in technical terms but the Wii doesn’t do real time lighting effects as well as the XBOX 360, I don’t even know if it does them at all but I haven’t had the time to investigate that for myself.
June 15th, 2007
Why would you even publish an article if you “haven’t had the time to investigate” any of the claims you are making? That’s just poor, and lazy journalism! sheesh; quit wasting everyone’s time with these empty fluff articles.
June 15th, 2007
Here again is another fanboy article trying to describe what a gamer is. I heard these same crap back in the days of the AMiga PC war. The PC was a basic machine with poor colors and basic sounds. It couldn’t hold a candle to the Amiga in terms of graphical processing power. Look what happened in the end. The PC produced fun games and the Amiga is a footnote in computer gaming history.
One thing is for sure, the Wii is fun. It does not try to be a gaming console for computer gamers, it was not made for the hardcore crowd which actually only consist of about 15% of gaming purchases. The target audience for the Wii is people that love having fun. The shelves at Best Buy are littered with graphically impressive PS3 and 360 games no one wants to play. There are 25 million hardcore gamers in the states that won’t support the best looking games the world has seen. There are 150 million gamers in the US, that is the audience that the Wii wants to serve.
June 15th, 2007
Just because I haven’t investigated them for myself doesn’t mean that I didn’t read other articles by people who have.
There are plenty of them and it’s a given fact that the Wii isn’t very graphically impressive, I shouldn’t have to actually prove that because it’s been done time and time again.
I just wanted to quantify where the Wii stands in terms of power. And in that, it is behind the original XBOX which is almost an insult. If it could have stood between the XBOX and XBOX 360 but it can’t, it’s not even close to that, graphically… memory and processor wise it can stand toe to toe with the original XBOX but it lacks graphic horsepower… that is it’s failing.
Had it been slightly better than it is… and able to put out 720p signals (at the very least). We’d have something and all the nay sayers would stop, at least, I would stop.
480p is a limitation and I’ve heard that the Wii looks horrible on any large(ish) HDTV.
June 15th, 2007
The Wii is not failing. It is out-selling the PS3
7-1! Thats good enough proof for me that majority of gamers care about fun more than they do about graphics. What is better: A game with pretty good graphics, and awseome graphics, or a game with kick-ass graphics and shitty gameplay? Being a Wii owner my self, I support the Wii, also having friends who own these systems all asy that the Wii is most fun.
June 15th, 2007
I meant to say pretty good graphics and awesome gameplay.
June 15th, 2007
I never said the Wii was failing, I know it’s surpassing all the others but in some of my previous posts I have stated it’s something I do not understand.
Gears of War is a great game on the XBOX 360, it has excellent controls, excellent graphics and great game play. There doesn’t have to be a trade off but Nintendo thinks there has to be.
June 15th, 2007
Bolocks mate. the wii is a great console, whats wrong with mario anyway you dick? Right i just fucking spend £450 on a console cos its supposed to be the most powerful, so it got to be the best than all the rest….look at the selling figures between both machine…7to1 spring to mind!!!!!!!!!
June 15th, 2007
This “apparent lack of functionality” you speak of is nothing more than continued propaganda against Nintendo. People continue to ignore the fact that Nintendo is producing approximately one million Wii consoles per month, and it still is not meeting demand. At the Best Buy I work at, the Wii does not last more than one hour on the sales floor. We bring in a shipment from the warehouse (usually about 20 units), and customers start circling like vultures oftentimes picking one up for friends who are searching for one. Meanwhile, the PS3s and XBox 360s sit in large piles being sold at a rate of about one per day at most.
Now, with that said, since when is the Wii underpowered? The Wii is underpowered according to what standard? Who sets that standard? As far as I can tell, the standard is set based solely on what the strongest unit available is. That means that nothing can be ABOVE the standard. Everything is either equal or below the standard. Did it ever occur to anyone that Microsoft and Sony are way above the standard? Many experts have pointed out that these two consoles are a bit too far ahead of our time. They shoot for the market ten years ahead while Nintendo focuses on the here and now.
If Nintendo wanted to, they could create a machine with ten times the graphics power of the PS3. However, it would cost $6000, and no one would buy it. Instead, they invest in creating a richer experience. If people want graphics firepower, they should be playing PC games. Consoles just crash when all their power goes to rendering.
As for Nintendo being a kids machine, I have seen a lot of people play Wii, but not one of them were under the age of 18. My wife has conquered Twilight Princess twice. College friends play our Wii and then run off and buy their own.
June 15th, 2007
ok, obviously, you don’t know very much about anything. The wii cannot produce graphics like ps3, or X box 360. Micheal Ancel, while working on Rayman raving rabbits for wii however, reported that the wii is not nearly as powerful as it’s competition, but is superior to all last gen consoles. Go watch a Mario Galaxy trailer if you don’t beleive me. Also, Call of duty, should not be used as a bench mark, because, the game is subject to lazy porting on activisions behalf. A lot of ports are not optimized for consoles, wich was certaintly the case with the gamecube and ps2. Gamecube could produce higher quality visuals the ps2 but when sports games, or EA titles where ported on all threee consoles, Xbox recieved the face lift, and ps2 and the cube had to share the same crappy visuals. “Hardcore gamers” are worried that this phenomenom will occur on the x box 360 and ps3, as the ps3 can produce higher visual efects, and is graphically superior( this is non debatable ok? actual fact, if you’d seen e3 06, you wouldn’t have posted your aforementined comment.)
June 15th, 2007
Mario has been overdone, no… it’s beyond overdone, it’s just, how many more Mario games can we have because you do the very same thing in all the games just with new 1features, more characters and… so on… it’s the same game it was back in the 80s and it’s getting old. Mario was great up until I was 15 or so and it started getting old… very quickly.
If Nintendo could create a better machine than the Wii then it should have. I’m not saying it should have been AS powerful as the XBOX 360 or PS3 but it should be more than it is.
I have an HDTV and I’d like to have a console than do something more than put out a 480p standard def signal.
PC games are great but sometimes there are just those console exclusives that you want to play like Gears of War and Lost Planet.
I’d like to play Resistance: Fall of Man but I’m not about to drop $600 on a PS3. I may have to at some point because that one exclusive will come along, Gears of War is the only reason I got the XBOX 360 and I’m discovering some other great games.
There isn’t game one I want or desire on the Wii.
June 15th, 2007
I bought a Wii when my 360 was in transit back to Microsoft to be de-red-ringed. It’s a great change of pace from the 360, and Wii Sports lets you pick up and play for a half hour, get your body moving a bit, and just have some fun. If I had to have one or the other, I would take the 360 for sure, but I’m happy to have a Wii sitting next to it like a little brother or sister that’s chock full of character.
June 15th, 2007
Thusano, I don’t know what you mean by “this is non debatable ok? actual fact, if you’d seen e3 06, you wouldn’t have posted your aforementined comment.)”
If that’s about the PS3 vs. the XBOX 360, it can still be debated as to which one is superior. I’ve seen demos on the PS3 that rival the XBOX 360 but I have yet to see a final product on the PS3 that looks as good as anything on the XBOX 360. I’m sure we will at some point but personally, I have not, in person, yet.
E3 ‘06 was a long time ago, a lot of things happened and I can’t remember everything or remember to look up something about something that might have happened.
Resistance: Fall of Man is a great looking game but it still doesn’t look as good as Gears of War does on the XBOX 360.
June 15th, 2007
it was pretty much a poorly researched “blog” which should not be confused with journalism. As it does not require a fact checker, footnotes, or sources. The xbox didnt even have better graphics than the gamecube, it had a better processor, but not a better GPU. Of the last generation the ps2 sold the most units. It also had the worst processor and graphics capeability of the three. SO what does this mean? It’s nothing new for the console with lackluster specs to triumph. What makes a system are the third party developers. A group that were tenuous at first with the wii, but with its recent success have been converts to the little ingeneau. The wii also costs the least to develope for, so look for more games to come out for the wii, than the other consoles about 1 year down the line.
June 15th, 2007
Headline: Oranges lack appley flavor of apples
Implication: Oranges are inferior to apples
Reality: Apples and oranges are two different fruits, each valuable in the human diet.
June 15th, 2007
Jonathan Schlaffer says the Wii is graphically inferior to other consoles. Well done. I hope he doesn’t get paid to state the obvious like this.
Microsoft owns Xbox, Sony owns Playstation and Nintendo owns Wii… can I get a job writing for Gamer.Blorge now too?
Oh… I forgot to say how much I hate the world’s most popular video game character. So maybe not.
June 15th, 2007
So the Wii lacks the ability of the Xbox to do certain things, like shaders and environment-wide normal mapping.
Should Jonathan mention the things the Wii can do that the Xbox can’t? Oh no, that would involve too much typing.
June 15th, 2007
Wow, alot of people apparently fail at math these days. I say this because I had to explain all this at Crunchgear.
Listen up, The Wii is almost exactly 1.9 times as powerful as GameCube. GameCube is slightly less powerful than Xbox. Even though the Wii lacks shaders just as GameCube did unlike the Xbox, the Wii is generally approximately 1.65-1.75 times as powerful as Xbox when CPU speeds, GPU speeds, BIT transfer rates and other factors are taken into account. This is a substantiated fact that can’t be denied. The fact that Wii weighs substantially less and is substantially smaller than all current and last generation systems save for PS2 Slimeline and also the fact that Wii uses less energy than last-gen systems and almost 25 times less energy than PS3 and Xbox 360, using barley up to 18 watts of electricity, makes Nintendo’s system a benchmark in technology by acheiving that kind of power with such a small size, weight, and energy efficiency.
I’m a hardcore gamer and although I wish Wii were more powerful and had an HD output, I’m just fine with it because of the Wii-mote’s capabilities and potential. The fact that the Wii audience, which includes hardcore gamers and casual gamers, has no qualms about the console’s lack of power when compared to the other two systems on the current market makes what you said not only incorrect, but redundant as well.
Rant over. Try thinking before you post something that makes people question the integrity and intelligence of modern journalism.
June 15th, 2007
The wii is an intresting console, but you play just a few weeks and it become really anoying. I have a 360 and a Wii. I been playing and buying 360 games 1 or 2 every month… and the wii? well… it’s turned off since january… Really is just for casuals…
June 15th, 2007
Ok, a lot of comments here, I just want to add my 2c. I’ve read a lot of blogs here, and the attitude in nearly all of them has been very anti-Nintendo-ish. Anyone agree?
As I said, my 2c
: )
June 15th, 2007
I think you can stop with the ‘Wii does not interest me’ conclusion to your posts. We all get it. You don’t like the Wii. Saying it over and over is just getting retarded.
June 15th, 2007
It’s not about weight, I don’t care how efficient a system is (though for some, they might care) and you can have a fast CPU but a lousy GPU.
Take PCs, you can have an awesome processor, say a Core 2 Duo E6800 but a lousy GPU say a Geforce 6150. You aren’t going to be playing BioShock on that.
But who cares if you have a GPU that can rival the processor. Granted there is some give and take with bus speeds but having a great processor with a subpar GPU is not good. It seems Nintendo has accomplished such as (mis)match.
As for the post, what has been said about the Wii has been said hundreds of times over, why repeat it… would it make the post better… I don’t think so. If I had, I’d get bashed for saying those exact things again, I left them out and look, people are saying I don’t know what I’m talking about.
As for the link, yes, there was a link but for some reason every time I tried to post, it got removed, even if it wasn’t tagged. I’ll try adding it back in later but no promises.
I didn’t just say the Wii was graphically inferior… I said it was graphically inferior to the original Xbox, CPU power means squat if the GPU isn’t much good. Though, there is some give and take.
rusei, I can’t keep track of who has and has not read my previous posts, some are completely oblivious, others, like you have read them not that your point isn’t valid but the assumption is that the person reading it might not know that, is that okay?
June 15th, 2007
Ok. So just because you don’t understand something’s appeal does not mean you are qualified to declare that that thing is marketted towards niches instead of the main stream. Wii not intended for regular gamers? Only parents and grandchildren?
Uh, no. And the sales of the Wii conclusively prove you wrong, because if you think it’s only parents and grandparents buying the Nintendo Wii at the pace the system is currently selling then you have a few screws loose my friend.
There are plenty of games that appeal to the ‘hardcore gamer’ and that will only continue. True, there are lots of ports, and ports never look as good as the original, but the point is they exist and they are selling. Godfather. Scarface. Manhunt. Resident Evil. Zelda. Those are not simple titles geared towards soccer moms who are looking to play something with their kids.
So get over yourself; YOU may not understand the Wii (and that’s certainly your right), but that doesn’t change the fact that the Wii is marketed towards everybody.
The situation with all the ports will resolve itself. Nintendo needed to prove that their system would sell, so in the meantime companies simply ported games they had already developed. When the Wii has the biggest installed user base of any console of this generation (and it’s going to happen), you will see more and more titles made from the ground up for the Wii.
June 15th, 2007
What I said was grandparents, children, moms dads. I did not just say grandparents and children. Children could be defined as 5 to 15 (which is being generous), just try calling a teenager a child and see what happens, I don’t recommend doing so.
I have a very hard time believing a long time XBOX/XBOX 360 and/or/both PC gamer would pick the Wii over those systems. I certainly wouldn’t.
June 15th, 2007
My friend, the GPU of Wii is of an equal ratio to it’s CPU when the set is compared to GameCube. That means both proccessors have increased at equal rates above GC. There is no “mismatch”. Besides, Wii’s GPU is faster than that of the the Xbox. Again, incorrectness and redundancy at its finest.
Shortly after Wii was launched, it had been reported that approximatley 70% of consoles purchased were purchased alongside Zelda: Twilight Princess. Red steel has gone platinum in the States. Games currently for the Wii like Godfather, Scarface, Mortal Kombat and others continue to sell well. About half of all Wiis are connected to the internet and the Virtual Console download rate is ecstatic. So yeah, your claim that hardcore gamers don’t buy the Wii has basically been harshly proven wrong.
June 15th, 2007
I wouldn’t be surprised if the console becomes an alternative to mainstream consoles for years to come. I expect the PS3 to do fairly well after Sony stops supporting it in 2008 or 2009.
Although the major developers have already begun to turn away from the high costs and manhours needed for PS3 games, independent developers and users will probably find ways to use 50% or more of the PS3’s available bandwidth (current games use up to 20%).
Don’t sell your PS3 on eBay just yet!
June 15th, 2007
This Jonathan guy is some piece of work.
Read his articles & blogs. It’s obvious that the guy has a small penis/inferiority complex.
Because he acts basically like a man-child that buys expensive/powerful game consoles to compensate for the fact he is still trying to figure out if he’s a man or somehting else.
I mean, read what he’s writing! He claims to be a traditional/hardcore/dedicated gamer and yet wants consoles for all the wrong reasons.
He doesn’t need them for their capacity to provide a fun experience, but because they’re big, heavy, produce “realistic” visuals and don’t have cartoony characters that rub him the wrong way, like Mario. Colorful characters that scream to him: “you’re GAY if you play with us”… so he runs away from it. Clearly this guy hasn’t mature enough to handle fictional characters that look cartoony. I guess he rather dream making out with Master Chief than Princess Peach. LOL
It’s funny that little kids can play games and get out of them what they’re suppose to provide: FUN. And yet this guy wants game consoles to make him a man.
I guess he should get a “Wii”… He needs one!
P.S. Sorry that I didn’t get into his article that much, but hey, other users already blew his points out of the water. So there wasn’t much to say but to say the obvious. This Jonathan guy is just a waste of good sperm. His “father” should demand a DNA test….
And I’m kidding!
June 15th, 2007
Johnathan,
If you don’t like cartoony characters, you’re going to hate the minigame Footii Party that will be in EA Sports FIFA 08. Wait until you see the fun-loving Brazilian futbol (soccer) star Ronaldinho!
June 16th, 2007
The Wii is more powerful then the xbox thats a fact and trying to say it isn’t is just a way of trying to hurt nintendo and shows he is agenda drivin and how low his IQ. I know I am smarter then he is I took IQ tests and they say I am a genuis. If you have aproblem with mario you should have a problem wit all first person shooters their just basicly copies of each other right and don’t forget the 13 finale fantasy games what so origanal about them. After all Super Mario Galxy is the most origenal game I have ever seen defitly more difrent then one fps is from another and even though some of your views may be right you defintly didn’t come by them inteligently P.S don’t make fun of my speling I’m certan someone like you can figure it out
June 17th, 2007
Most hardcore gamers, however, don’t seem to care too much about graphic power, though. History itself has shown us that. The Nintendo 64 was superior to the Playstation, and what console won that war?
Between the Playstation 2, Gamecube and XBOX the XBOX was the most powerful and the Playstation 2 was the least and yet the Playstation 2 sold more units than both systems combined.
The Wii was also designed to appeal to EVERYONE. Not just who you listed above. That’s why it’s called “Wii”. I understand the argument of “hardcore” vs. “casual” because I for one do think the Wii is neglecting hardcore gamers. Because we’ve been getting a ton of mini-games, but I wouldn’t jump the gun and say it’s only for casual gamers. Because it was the hardcore gamers who made the Wii a success in the first place. When the Wii first debuted and was selling you do have to remember that the game 4/5 Wii Owners picked up was The Legend of Zelda. When the PS3 came out, it was 1/3 who picked up Resistance: Fall of Man.
I’ve been gaming since 1988. At this point in my gaming life, I’ve been gaming too long to care about which system has the better graphics. I want good games. If graphic power and such is really as important to hardcore gamers, then the PS2 should’ve been CRUSHED in the last generation. The PS2 was a crap system. A bad piece of hardware. But its software (THE GAMES) made the system worth buying.
This will ultimately determine whether the Wii is worth buying too. The technology is still pretty new. You have to give it time. The technology on the PS3 is also pretty new. It usually takes a year or two before a system’s true potential is reached.
As far as your comments on Mario go, they’re valid, but it’s hardcore gamers who are mostly buying it. The reason we keep getting Mario games is because they keep selling. Again, it’s mostly the hardcore crowd who buys them. The “traditional” gamer as you put it. What annoys most gamers about Mario is that it’s the same objective over and over: To save the Princess. What people like about them, however, is the gameplay. When people buy games they also want to have fun. And some hardcore gamers, believe it or not, can push things like storyline and such aside for some good gameplay (we’e been gaming long enough to know that you should never expect a good storyline from Mario of all things). I’m pretty sure the world can still take quite a bit of Mario. As long as each new game in the main series continues to sell millions of copies. Because a lot of games DON’T reach a million units sold worldwide. It’s an honor for games to sell 500,000 in a lifetime.
Back to the Wii for a moment, though. We all knew right from the start that the Wii would not be a powerful system. If you bought a Wii, you knew what you were getting into. I don’t know WHY so many articles and blogs have to be written about the Wii’s graphical power. It should’ve been common knowledge from the moment the system was announced (if you kept up with the gaming news, that is). Because Nintendo has stated several times that graphics weren’t what they were going for. So it doesn’t surprise me that it’s less powerful than even the XBOX. But again, it’s not like I didn’t know that when I purchased it. Most hardcore gamers are well aware, and they purchased the system anyway. There’s no way, of course, to tell if more “casual” or “hardcore” gamers bought the system however. We do know, though, that at launch when it sold its millions before 2006 ended, most of THOSE consumers were hardcore gamers, though. We don’t know anymore because no one expected that it would appeal to the casual crowd that much.
I consider myself a hardcore gamer. And I do believe the Wii will be a huge success for both crowds. The problem with the Wii is the same thing that hampered the Gamecube, though. The good games will come few and far between. The Wii is catering more towards the casual crowd, but they are working on the hardcore crowd as well. Just not fast enough. The reason why we loved the PS2 was because it kept churning out good games for everyone throughout its life. With the Gamecube, however, they didn’t have as good third party support and when Nintendo released a first party game… it would sell well, but we’d have to wait at least a year for the next one, and there would hardly be anything coming around for that year to satisfy the craving.
But in the end its the games. That’s what will ultimately determine the success of the Wii.
Another example: The PSP vs. the DS. The DS is graphically inferior, it’s games often looking very ugly compared to the PSP (although, why people constantly compare the graphics on these two systems is beyond me…). It has outsold the PSP 2 to 1. Despite that most games on the DS don’t even utilize all its graphical power.
Finally, why anyone is comparing the Wii’s graphics to any other system is beyond me as well. Like I said, it was pretty common knowledge among the gaming crowd from the day it was announced. I thought realistically that gamers would realize that a game like Call of Duty 3 would look better on the 360 by default. Because the 360 was designed for graphical power. The Wii was not. Again, it was a pretty common knowledge thing.
If I insulted you, it wasn’t my intent. I’m just saying that as a hardcore and traditional gamer, I feel pretty insulted knowing that the reason you didn’t get a Wii was more because of the graphics. I understand graphics is more than just how “shiny” a game looks (speed, load times, frame rate etc.), but I find it insulting that what keeps you away from the Wii most is the graphics of some games. That really insults me. Even in general that would make some of the most hardcore of hardcore gamers feel somehow inferior. “I liked this game… but the graphics sucked… what the hell is wrong with me?” is what some will gather. It’s not exactly what I gathered.
What I gathered was more along the lines that you seem to think graphics are more important than gameplay and that the hardware is more important than the games. Most hardcore gamers I speak with find it the other way around. It’s not the hardware that’s important… but the software. Not the graphics that are important… but the gameplay… and the only time graphics are MORE important than gameplay (because visuals DO matter) is when the graphics hinder the gameplay (like say a huge dip in framerate so that the game lags all the time). I just find that insulting, and I’ve been gaming for almost my entire life.
June 17th, 2007
If i am going to be honest, i believe sean rhodes should have wrote this article; rather than the juvenile fan boy based comments made by the aformentioned poster.
Maybe this was not the original articles intention, and who am i to argue? But i found that his views that were expressed were rather one sided, which could be fixed by including more balanced points.
The article was well written, it just lacked balance and depth.
June 19th, 2007
i finally got me a nintendo wii and i have to say it is fun and madden on it play’s so much better then the ps3 and the xbox360 version.i’ve had all three of the new systems and i have to say the wii is better right now then both of them.but i will say nintendo should’ve gave us some more horsepower for atleast 720p graphics.but atleast it’s affordable and thats alll that matters to me.ps3 is a sweet machine but blu ray is not needed for games anytime soon all sony wants is us to buy blu ray movies so thats why the ps3 has to high of a price.i bought one but i took it back because i’m going to wait for a price drop if no price drop then i want buy one.the xbox360 well is a piece of hardware crap it’s to high to i’ve had to take mine back to the store 5 times because it and the power brick was bad design.and i want ever buy another.and i would like to know whats so special about the halo games i mean i beat both of them and there know better then any other fps game i’ve played.atleast you get a blu ray player with the ps3 the xbox360 hd player is junk.but the wii is better then both of them right now it’s affordable and it has great games plus you don’t feel like you have to have highspeed internet to get the full experience.gears of war is a good game i beat it three times on all difficulty and the graphics was awesome but they were very stiff not a open world which was very dissapointing to me there was a reason why the characters models was so detailed.wii will last for another year as the number 1 consoles sales but the ps3 with a price drop will take it over because of it’s tech and it will have great games.
June 19th, 2007
This editorial amuses me, the funny bit about it is that the GameCube has better graphical abilities than the XBox, so the assertion that the Wii is in fact weaker than the GameCube has caused a cracking in my sides.
October 23rd, 2007
OKet me tell u something “supposedly hardcore gamer and u aint”i dont think u get the point right now the wii is winning.ok i have an xbox 360 right now and the wii is still wining.I aint fanboy i like all the systems they were all bilt for gaming wii has re4 wii edition u call that childish eh theyve got manhunt wich is rated m for the wii it was however a for adults before but nintendo didnt want that so they left it at rated m.They finally made scarface.Unbeleieveable rated m so the wii is basicly for all gamers.I am pissed right now beacasue the 360 got the red lights it will happen to u jhonathon,ok i am telling u as a faithfull 360 owner it happens to every dam 360 i took real good care of it i and it still got messed up.So stop talking like that nintendo wii lasts longer than that.Ive only had my xbox 360 for about 9 months.Now i have to wait for the damn box to ship my 360 damnit.And gears of war sucked really bad that game was freaking crap man i dont know what ur talking about the storyline sucked it made no sense i sold that game.!!!!And with the money that ive got from it i bought Halo 3!!!!.Now thats what i call a game.But are u kidding me gears of war???!!! lol just beacuse it has good online doesnt mean its the best game hell the online suked to.The game had to many online glitches and i owned everone.Oh did i mention 4vs4 gears of war matches?what kind of m*******bull**was f****that omg that suked ass and look at ps3 with warhawk 40 players!!!!!!!!!!!!!or 20vs 20 now thats online gaming and all for free instead of fraking 50$a year ffor live?man im getting a ps3 its way better than 360 hell ill get all 3 systems.My point is dont judge the systems or consoles whatever a real hardcore gamer like me enjoys them all theyre all good but for the problems side 360 has the most the games the wii has them the exclusives the 360 and the horsepower the ps3 yup thats how it is so jhon u aint a real hardcore gamer and thats that im gonna play my 360 now with halo 3 oh wait my 360 dont work i have to send it to ms and get it back 1 month later oh well if only i had a wii or ps3hmmm oh and jhon s ur 360 is getting to its doom 3 red lights trust me u will get them 99%of 36os have the red lights so rarely 1% dont have them so jhon get ready to cry beacuase i almost did its like a son to u it dies so yea get ready for it bye all
October 24th, 2007
you say cpu means squat if your gpu is crap? ok fair enough so from that prospective yor telling me the orginal xbox’s modified geforce 3 is better than the wii’s ati chip which is AT LEAST on par with x800 radeon series?
right…..
bash wii all you want wait till some decent game gets made for it look at what the cube did with residant evil three and rogue squadren two(both of which piss on anything the orginal xbox put out) now image what a wii can do thats 2x as powerful
so many misinformed microsoft fanboys
October 25th, 2007
WANK
November 10th, 2007
Mario Galaxy in its finished form now.
Look at some of the screenshots and videos for yourselves:
Mario Galaxy visuals and effects > those of ANY XBOX game, FACT.
/argument.
And by the way Mr. Schlaffer, there were so many errors in your argument (regardless of the fact they were only there to support your opinion) I nearly cried. Go learn about the way the video game industry really works, learn some basic overall sales figures, learn some overall best average score (i.e. best games of all time) lists, learn about the very hardware that you try (and fail) to bash, grow up and try to realize the benifits of something called “artistic direction”, and then people will take you seriously when you try and discuss video games.
November 12th, 2007
check out this interview with Julian Eggebrecht
(factor 5) at
http://revoeyes.blogspot.com/2007/09/wii-can-do-lot-more-graphically-factor.html
makes 4 sum interesting reading as this is sum1 how knows what there talking about when it comes to graphics being a games developer also check out this about the cube, http://revoeyes.blogspot.com/2007/09/wii-is-more-powerful-than-xbox-gamecube.html again with Julian Eggebrecht (facter5) who made sum petty impressive looking games on the cube a developer who thinks the cube was on par with the first xbox,this is sum1 who knows there stuff!
November 12th, 2007
Its just funny when people look at specs and compare them, when really they just dont know what there on about, even official reviews just judge spec’s thats all they can do,the only people that know are those who work with and use the hardware.the wii does have shaders by the way just like the game cube b4 it did but they work alot differently 2 the normal way developers are used 2 doing things so when it comes 2 ports they just dont bother using the shaders read the above links !!!
December 4th, 2007
MrBigJeezy - Hardcore gamer. I remember playing Atari, and I’m only 21. i.e. I’ve been playing video games forever.
The Wii - Sweet console. The only problem with the Wii is that game developers don’t know how to use it’s full potential. Ati made a bad ass GPU for the Wii and developers are still learning the ins and outs of it. Any REAL gamer will own a Wii by at least this time next year, you can bet on it. I love the Wii-mote. I just love using it. Fun isn’t the half of it. I can’t wait to purchase the new Mario. I got the Nintendo logo tattooed in color from my wrist to my elbow. It’s a fucking awesome tattoo and everybody loves it almost as much as me. The Wii provides for an overall great gaming experience. It was more than worth the purchase.
The XBOX 360 - Sweet console. I’ve personally experienced a lot of hardware problems but hey, [insert Microsoft joke here] Microsoft will fix it for free. The 360 has the superior games on the market today (or at least, more of them). The 360 controller is comfortable and I love it. I actually didn’t really care for the XBOX controller at all. The 360 controller makes me wonder how I ever used the PS2 controller. The 360 provides for an overall great gaming experience. It was worth purchasing.
The PS3 - I haven’t bought one yet. No gaming experience is worth paying the amount of money they want for that thing. Screw the graphical capabilities it may or may not have, my Wii is infinitely better. Sony is counting on fanboys to pay whatever amount of money in order to support them. What they don’t realize is that most Sony fanboys are 12 year olds and totally broke. Microsoft is next in line to put out a new console which will be better than the PS3 in every way and probably cheaper at that. Nintendo’s next console will be cheaper than both, more fun, and will continue a fan base three decades in the making, whom will have jobs and will be capable of purchasing items such as videogames.
The End
Thank You, Have A Nice Day
December 10th, 2007
Most people here have lost sight of the intent of Jonathans article in squabbling over their preferences. What Jonathan should have said is that despite the Wii’s popularity through cheap price and fun easy to pick up games the Wii simply isn’t a next gen technology console due to its lack of graphical standard. Firstly I admit to having a PS3 and a huge 1080i screensize due to my Sony VPLHS10 projector. So in a sense you could (and should) see that I qualify as a “Sony fanboy”. There are three key reasons why I favour Sony. 1. Sony has been good to the console buyers with solid efforts in the PS1&2, strong reliability and innovation with low failure rate hardware. 2. Microsoft’s console is also worth considering, it has some seriously good quality games on it but Microsoft dominate my PC, I don’t want them to also dominate my console, I also have concerns about the reliablity of the XBOX360 despite Microsofts support guarantees I don’t want it to fall over mid game as that why I get annoyed with PC gaming. However I acknowledge this console had the necessary grunt to qualify as a successor to my PS2 if the PS3 didn’t exist. 3. An impartial observer looking at Nintendo’s Wii specifications can reasonably conclude that is not a next gen console so Nintendo doesn’t qualify due to its excellent innovation with its controller (in my view this type of controller should actually be an accessory like the GCON and Eyetoy) until the release of a Nintendo HD capable console due to its lack of HD support, it should also be able to at least playback DVD’s in my opinion but thats less of a concern. I can also complain about the over emphasis on Mario, like Jonathan I’m aware that Nintendo is far behind the other two in non-proprietary gaming and seems to fixate on the quirky and cartoony where the others are genuinely moving into virtual reality, cinema magnitude epics that are light years ahead of the 1980’s Mario releases that Nintendo seems to insist on re-releasing with enhanced graphics. In conclusion its each to their own, however noyone can argue that on todays large screens, particularly projector size buyers simply should spend a little bit more on a PS3 or XBOX360 and enjoy actual next-gen HD gaming immersion but those with small televisions or young kids can still quite happily buy a PS2, Wii, second hand XBOX as for them the massive variation between standard def pre next-gen gaming and high def gaming as shown by Drakes Fortune, Gears of War, Metal Gear4, Ratchet & Clank PS3, Halo3, etc, isn’t really an issue.
December 21st, 2007
You really sound like a graphic whore. I dont really tell too much of a difference in graphics unless its like comparing jaggy graphics to non jaggy. Most people dont have a high def tv anyway to support those resolutions. The wii is the fastest in terms of load times in my opinion I dont wanna wait there so long just to play a game.The WII has alot more power than the xbox people just game makers just are starting to use it now like metroid and mario galaxy. I rather have a wide variety of things to do and have fun in a game than be a graphic whore or a graphic druggy. Yes having nice graphics is good but not what you need. The wii is better than all last gen systems in terms of graphics and that is all i need. I dont need ps3s graphics for a couple of years. I already have a 360 and think it is awesome except i had to send it to microsoft like 4 times cause of the gay red ring. What causes the red ring anyway? I think all the consoles are good the wii is just the best. The wii does have very good graphics and doesnt need all these graphics to make it a good console. So stop being a graphic whore and deal with the idea that the wiis graphics are ok and you dont need superb graphics to be a good console. Name 1 times where a console only having good graphics sold the most. It seems to me that people buy the console solely on 3 things gameplay a, variety of games not just shooters or one type, and to have a good story to actually want to acheive something in the story.That is why the wii is winning the console wars and is selling the most. Dont judge a book by its cover so dont judge a system by its graphics.The wii has everything you need and all it needs to is improve on all of these things and it will no doubt be the most popular system.
January 3rd, 2008
The resolution of your fonts sucks.
January 30th, 2008
Wii needs better graphics, wah wah wah wah. It’s not that hard to get the coding right so the game looks decent. The Wii can do effects like shaders, bump mapping, light scattering and etc. You already have 2 consoles that concentrate solely on graphics. How about a console that’s actually fun.
March 24th, 2008
[...] on personality, sense of humour and shared interests. And with the success of the Wii, which was roundly criticised for its lack of power, it seems gamers are also learning to see past the obvious, and going for long term interest [...]
March 24th, 2008
*claps* Jon Schlaffer is the king of trolls.
April 14th, 2008
well smart one if you even took a second to look up real info you would have found out the wii has more ram and a just about the same gpu as xbox1.
xbox1 has 64mb ram 233mhz gpu 733mhz cpu
wii has 91mb ram 243 of ram and 729mhz cpu
got all this from a nerd how plug the systitem up to a power engine to see the power as you can tell the wii is a little bit weeker than xbox1 in cpu but that is it and in the first place yey xbox graphic chip is not ati and is over 8 years old
May 24th, 2008
so hollywood has direct access to 3mb 1t sram edram and 24mb 1tsram so 27mb sram right on the gpu and gpu die
VS
XGPU CATCH OF 128K TO 256K MAX
hollywood reads compressed textures and data
xgpu reads after external compression = crap and slow
hollywood 3mb catch 12gb bandwidth frame z buffer
16gb bandwidth texture catch
VS
NO EDRAM OR HIGH BANDWIDTH CATCHES ON XGPU LIMITED TO SHARING THE DRAMS 6.4 GB BANDWIDTHS HMMMMMMMMMMMMM
flipper gpu had 2.5 times the bandwidth of xgpu
hollywood has at least 4 times the gpu internal bandwidth of xgpu
xbox main ram speed 50 ns latency
wii 5ns latency
broadway cpu transistor count over 20 million
xbox celeron m ,9 million transistors
xbox cpu catch 128k
broadway cpu catch 256k plus 4to1 compression
the wii is 2.5 x plus a gamecube/xbox level machine at the same resolution= x360 performance at capped 480p
August 18th, 2008
wii front side bus 243mhz plus 4x for custom compression = 7.7plus gb bandwidth
xbox front side bus 133mhz no custom compression = 1 gb bandwidth peak
clearly wii shits all over a xbox bus
xbox single 128 bit memory bus
wii dual 64 bit memory buses plus additional 32 bit dual channel memory bus hmmmmmmm
xbox dram
wii 1tsram-r plus gddr3 ram
xbox graphics catch that cannot read compressed data or textures 128k
wii graphics catch that can read compressed data and textures 3mb
celeron 733mhz cpu internal bandwidths around 6 gb
broadway cpu internal bandwidths peak around 23gb clearly destroying xcpu of xbox 1
wii has huge catches to cpu and gpu and on the fly compression systems to those catches so there massive in real time power compared to xbox 1s tiny catch memorys
wii has custom tile rendering custom virtual texturing huge graphics catch/buffer and 24 mb gpu die embedded sram
were xbox 1 haas acces to 128k of catch and no compression
wii has a gpu with 3mb edram and a further 24 mb embedded sram 27 mb high bandwidth sram vs a 128k gpu catch
anti wii fuking idioits wii = 2.5 x xbox on screeen at 480p wii havnt seen that yet 3rd partys are lazy
August 29th, 2008
facts chew on them xbox fans
metroid prime 2 60 frames 24 bit colour no loading times no glitches stunning graphics GAMECUBE
halo 2 pop up graphics pop up textures long loading times glitches up the ass frame rate issues 16 bit colour
so gamecube beats xbox there clearly
resident evil 4 gamecube looks better than ANY REPEAT ANY XBOX GAME AND RUNS ALMOST TOTALLY FREE OF LOADING TIMES
wind waker still to this day a cell shaded god amungst all other cell shaded games nothing on xbox to match it whats so ever
twilight princess clearly way better looking than any xbox game its on wii but its a gamecube game also it shits on fables graphics
rogue sqodron 2 15 miullion polygons 24 bit colour 8 texture layers
rogue sqodron 3 20 million polygons 60 frames
xbox 1 never beat 12 million polygons at 30 frames FACVTUAL EVIDENCE VS XBOX FANS
the gamecube was = to xbox 1 but better in key areas of performance
yet the idiots think wii is = or less than xbox 1
TALK ABOUT FANBITCHING IDIOTS
NO LOADTIMES VS LONG LOADTIMES
16 BIT INGAME COLOUR VS CUSTOM 24 BIT COLOUR
LOW POLYGON COUNTS VS HIGH POLYGON COUNTS
8X4 GPU LIGHTING VS 8X8 LIGHTING PLUS CUSTOM CPU LIGHTING
GAMECUBE GAMES HAD 512X512 TEXTURES
XBOX GAMES NEVER EVER DID
GAMECUBE 8 TEXTURE LAYERS 16 TEXTURE STAGES
XBOX 4 TEXTURE LAYERS 4 TEXTURE STAGES
PLEASE BASE ARTICALS ON FACT NOT FAN BOYS LIES
WII= 2.5X A XBOX LEVEL MACHINE PLUS IT CAN DO IT LOADING TIME FREE AND OFFER THE WORLDS MOST ADVANCED GAMEPLAY AND CONTROLS
XBOX FANS ARE MORONIC TEENAGERS
September 4th, 2008
RIGHT LETS STATE FACT NOT XBOX FANBOY BS
CONKERS BAD FUR DAY XBOX WAS MADE BY RARE
5 YEARS INTO XBOX LIFE CYCLE IT WAS HAILED BY XBOX FANS AS UNMATCHED IN TERMS OF SHADER EFFECTS AND FUR SHADING IT WAS MADE BY RARE WITH 4/5 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH XBOX DEV KITS
BUT THERES A GAME MADE WITH THE SAME ART STYLE BY THE SAME COMPANY/DEVS ON ANOTHER CONSOLE WITH ONLY MONTHS OF EXPERIENCE WITH THE DEV KITS AND IT WAS RELEASED IN THE CONSOLES 1ST YEAR
STAR FOX ADVENTURES ON GAMECUBE IT WAS RELEASED 4/5 YEARS EARLIER THAN CONKERS AND WAS DEVELOPED ON A JUST RESEVED DEV KIT
SO RARE DID MORE ON THERE 1ST EVER GAMECUBE GAME GRAPHICALLY THAN THEY EVER ARCHIVED ON XBOX YET BY MAGIC XBOX IS MORE POWERFUL
UTTER FANBOY HOGWASH BULL SHIT
STAR FOX ADVENTURES HAD BETTER GRAPHICS BETTER WATER BETTER FUR SHADING BETTER COLOUR BETTER FRAMERATE AND SHORTER LOADING TIMES THAN
CONKERS BAD FUR DAY ON XBOX EVEN WITH 5 YEARS MORE EXPERIENCE WITH XBOX DEV KITS AND ALL OF BILL GATES MONEY BACKING THEM UP
SO HOW IS XBOX MORE POWERFUL THAN GAMECUBE
NEVERMIND WII
FANBOY JERKS
September 5th, 2008
JONNY BOY OOOHHH JONNY BOY WHY DONT YOU ANSWER YOUR EMAILS
IS IT BECAUSE YOUR A LYING FUK BY ANY CHANCE
WII@ 480P CAN DO PS3 X360 LIKE VISUALS ITS CALLED
THE TRUTH
FANBITCH
September 5th, 2008
WII MAIN RAM BANDWIDTH 2X 4GB = 8GB @ 480P
X360 24GB @ 720P
3X8= 24
480PX3 = 720P
X360 10MB EDRAM 32 GB READ
WII 3MB EDRAM 28GB READ
IF YOU DO YOUR “”"”"BASIC MATH”"” JONNY BOY YOU CAN SEE WII MATCHES 360 - THE NATIVE HD
DO YOUR HOME WORK YOU IDIOT
September 8th, 2008
PS2 GS UNIT 150MHZ = 4MB EDRAM NO COMPRESSION @ 150MHZ
WII GPU 243MHZ = 3MB EDRAM 243MHZ 1TSRAM-R PLUS 24MB 1TSRAM-R 486MHZ DIE EMBEDDED 32GB BANDWIDTH FOR 27MB RAM PLUS DATA,Z,TEXTURES COMPRESSION 4TO1/6TO1 ETC
VASTLY SUPERIOR GPU VASTLY SUPERIOR RAM SIZE SPEED BANDWIDTH AND COMPRESSION
8BIT RENDERING TEXTURES/COLOUR PS2
24BIT PLUS RENDERING TEXTURES/COLOUR WII
BEFORE EVEN HITTING MAIN RAM
PS2 INDIRECT CPU SHARED RAM ACCESS SLOW BOTTLENACKED NO COMPRESSION
WII 64MB GDDR3 486MHZ DUALCHANNEL 4GB DIRECT GPU ACCESS AND DIRECT CPU ACCESS AND ACCESS RAM DATA DUMPING TO 1TSRAM ALSO CAPABLE PLUS DATA COMPRESSION TEXTURES COMPRESSION
PS2 = 4MB EDRAM GS UNIT PLUS 16 MB INDIRECT SLOW ACCESS MAIN RAM
WII = FULL TOTAL ACCESS OF 1TSRAM AND GDDR3 RAM TO GPU MAX 88MB
WII COULD HAVE 3MB PLUS 24MB PLUS 32MB GDDR3 ALL DIRECT ACCESS TO GPU PLUS FLASH ACCESS RAM AND FAST DISC STREAMING PLUS COMPRESSION PLUS 1TSRAM BLINDING SPEED
WII UTTERLY DESTROYS PS2
ITS NEXT GEN OK GUYS LESS OF THE XBOX FANBOYING
September 16th, 2008
Late reaction to Jonathan Schlaffer.
Mario has been overdone, no… it’s beyond overdone, it’s just, how many more Mario games can we have because you do the very same thing in all the games just with new 1features, more characters and… so on… it’s the same game it was back in the 80s and it’s getting old. Mario was great up until I was 15 or so and it started getting old… very quickly.
If Nintendo could create a better machine than the Wii then it should have. I’m not saying it should have been AS powerful as the XBOX 360 or PS3 but it should be more than it is.
I have an HDTV and I’d like to have a console than do something more than put out a 480p standard def signal.
PC games are great but sometimes there are just those console exclusives that you want to play like Gears of War and Lost Planet.
I’d like to play Resistance: Fall of Man but I’m not about to drop $600 on a PS3. I may have to at some point because that one exclusive will come along, Gears of War is the only reason I got the XBOX 360 and I’m discovering some other great games.
There isn’t game one I want or desire on the Wii
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You THINK mario is beyond overdone, that does not mean that it IS beyond overdone. There are many gamers who cannot get enough about mario games. Altough i agree that many elements look/are the same in the mario games, they never ever bored me. That said, There are new gamers everyday. They never ever had any experience with mario before on older systems. So for them it’s a new experience. It is your personal opinion that mario is overdone not a fact.
Nintendo did a great job with creating the Wii, their aim was not to go into a race with sony and microsoft. They wanted to create a new, refreshing and unique device/machine and they did a very good job. They took a step forward in gaming. You do not always need graphic power to do this.
“PC games are great but sometimes there are just those console exclusives that you want to play like Gears of War and Lost Planet.”
Did you read your own post ?
Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros, Metroid to name a few, ARE exclusives. That is one of the good things about nintendo and the Wii, their exclusives. You think mario is overdone but those overdone mario games have always been exclusive for nintendo systems, so make up your mind.
In my opinion you talk to much about Gears of War, I agree that it is a great game, but it appears to me that you cannot think of something else. The Wii is not meant for these games, so you better stop hoping. You wish for nintendo to stop these ‘cartoony’ graphics. Why would they ? Their systems are selling good, so do the games. Do they even want to aim for the more realistic market when there is already so much of it out there.
Someone here stated that most hardcore gamers do not care about graphics and i agree with him. The EYE CANDY had become some sort of a hype in the game world. It is could to make games look better, but at what cost. I rather play at my SNES then my PS3 O.o
September 16th, 2008
Sorry for my bad english language in my last sentences of my previous post. The hour was a little late
September 21st, 2008
balance, latency,compression,decompression,disc streaming,flash streaming,gpu catch buffer,cpu catch all are vastly more effective/efficient on wii than ether ps3 or x360 by holding back on native resolution wii is capable of insane effective usable fillrate and bandwidths and is loaded with hardwired effects that are efficient and low hit on hardware…
people need to stop confusing graphics with resolution SERIOUSLY learn the difference
monster hunter 3 is simply stunning to look at and its only scans and the game is less than 50% complete oh look great graphics BUT NOT HD
LOOK JONNY BOY IV JUST SEPARATED GRAPHICS FROM RESOLUTION LIKE A UN BRAINWASHED HD MYTH NON BELIEVER
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WII IS MUCH CLOSER TO X360 IN REAL TIME REAL WORLD WHAT YOU SEE PERFORMANCE THAN YOUR LETTING ON FANBOY
to argue graphics this gen or next gen is simply out dated outa touch and frankly childish
theres no graphics war anymore any differances are so slight between systems
stop trying to call low budget lazy 3rd party casual games wii graphics you idiot
they dont rep wii graphics they rep the asshole dev team and publisher thats taking the dam piss
ps2 porting and cheap casual shake and dance at the silly cartoon girl on screen is hardly wii graphics
if you look with understanding eyes at wii spec its clearly able to crap on a xbox 1
broadway vs xcpu no contest broadway is like gekko and xcpu put together and broadway is part of a balanced effective effient system with very fast ram
xcpu was a crap cpu in a unbalanced latent bottle necked xbox design
if you dont understand something then how are you qualified to write articals about it
dumbo
September 24th, 2008
if wii is a xbvox level machine
pleae explain this
house of the dead 3, xbox cpu 733mhz 480i
house of the dead 4, 3ghz Pentium pc based arcade board =in hd
house of the dead overkill wii 733 mhz cpu in 480p
the latest screns show wii exclusive hotd overkill has the best and most realistic hotd graphics ever yet its not in hd and not on a 3ghz cpu yet its better looking than ether
hotd 3 xbox and hotd 4 3ghz pentium board
HOW CAN THAT BE IF WII IS = TO OR WEAKER THAN XBOX 1
JONNY BOY YOUR EXPOSED AS A FANBITCH TALKING OUTA THAT LYING ASS OF YOURS
ALSO EX[PLAIN MONSTER HUNTER 3 SCREENS
NOW JOG ON FOOL AND TELL PORKY PIES ELSE WARE
October 2nd, 2008
monster hunter 3 revoeyes.com
cough cough cough cough blorge whatever
October 3rd, 2008
conduit latest hmmmmmm xbox 1 jonny boy ur a priceless xbox fanbitch