Developer: Xbox 360 games keeping up with PS3, but not for long
By Sean P. Aune
GAMER.BLORGE.com has learned exclusively what some of the key points of the Xbox vs PS3 war are, and it’s not all about the Halo.
In a recent conversation with an undisclosed developer source, GAMER.BLORGE.com has been made privy to the biggest problems facing developers as they work with the Xbox 360 and the PS3: It’s all about the RAM and the processor.
According to our source, it’s easier on almost every level to work with the Xbox 360 in the development stage. Due to the older systems large amount of RAM, developers can work with a little more head room and not worry about running out of operating memory.
Where the real problem stem is in the two system’s processors. While Xbox games can be tweaked to move up to the PS3, the reverse is not always the case. Due to the PS3’s advanced processor, games developed for the Sony backed platform sometimes can’t be downgraded to the the 360’s chip.
With the 360 being in the range of 2 years old now, it is said they have used about 90% of the systems resources, which allows for some PS3 games to be ported over, but it will become rarer as time goes on. As they push the PS3’s performance, they will finally surpass the abilities of the 360 completely.
So where are you left in the console war? Why are developers still coming out with so few PS3 games? It’s really just that much easier to work with the 360.
In the end though, who does our undisclosed developer think will win? While they gave no time frame for the inevitable victory, they were very clear that they thought the long haul champion would be the PS3 for this round of the overall war.
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September 16th, 2007
Absolutely correct.
Sony is the true champion in console history. They’ve ruled the industry for 11 years now…m$ has no place in the industry & nintendo is slowly destroying gaming.
Thank god for the Playstation Brand.
September 16th, 2007
Yeah, by the time they figure out how to program for it the next xbox will be out making ps3 look old tech - lol. Ps3 uses basically a 7800 series Geforce gpu which any tech savvy computer user knows is “last gen”.
September 16th, 2007
so how do you explain the ps2 still selling good? any tech savvy computer user knows is “last gen”.
September 16th, 2007
Larry, wow I’m amazed there are people as ignorant as you pretending to know what they are talking about! lol
PS3 Cell Processor generates the graphics on the fly and the Geforce card is there for final texturing. Sony have said this time and again the engineers tried to use the Cell for complete graphics generating but ran out of time so they made the decision to use the Geforce gpu for final touches.
A console life cycle will not sustain a 3 or 4 year cycle, PS2 has shown a 8-10 year cycle is the perfect amount of time to live through the its lifespan to reach 150 million consumer reaching price point.
September 17th, 2007
imaballa, yea your right actualy. i remember that scene sony showed in 2005 generated entirely by the cell of a large explotion. looked pretty impressive. if your right about the gpu then the devs BETTER get working!!! adding a powerful gpu for finishing touches sounds crazy lol but this IS sony were talkin bout. but to larrys post again, when the new xbox arrives the new ps will be round the corner probably.
September 17th, 2007
ps3 does not “basicly” use 7800, last i heard 8800gtx ultra doesnt even come close to a teraflop. ps3 goes to 1.5?
September 17th, 2007
Hmm good point, but I’m part of the ME generation. And I want my new games now, not next year or the year after that, and if I can I would like it cheap. When next year rolls around ill get whatever platform is the best for then. besides do you think Microsoft and Sony really view it as a war or more like a long campaign that really about taking your money…
September 17th, 2007
/cough
Let the flame wars begin!
Who cares which system is technologically better? History proves that tech specs don’t determine who wins!
September 17th, 2007
360 fanboys are crying with this news !! lol i love that !!!! lol
September 17th, 2007
Where does the 8 - 10 year lifecycle come from? I own all three “next-gen” consoles and I can say that 7 years from now I hope to God I’m not still playing either of them. A five year cycle isn’t bad. That’s roughly $100.00 a year for gaming goodness. Five years is an eternity in the tech world. I’d rather have slightly less powerful machines every 5 years than some overly prices, balls to the wall machine that is supposed to last me 10. Especially if the first year or 2 are wasted investments waiting for decent games. Take the Wii model (less fancy, profitable and afforadable) and jack it up a few notches for real gamers and give me something new to lust after every few years.
September 17th, 2007
What does any of this matter when Wii wins the console war anyway? Next gen will be based off the Wii, hence the revolution.
September 17th, 2007
Errm, does your developer know that both the PS3 and 360 have the same amount of RAM (512MB?), the only real difference, is 256MB of the PS3’s ram is XDR, which is much faster than the 360s. The other 256MB is the same GDDR3.
I would however agree, the 360 is running out of steam, Halo 3 actually looks worse than Gears Of War, over a year ago, it looks like they had to sacrifice stuff to make it fit onto a DVD, as I can’t believe Bungie would intentionally make Halo3 look so crap.
September 17th, 2007
360 is done for, it’s unreliable, under specified, and is going nowhere fast. It seems the 360 got upto speed very quickly, and basically stayed there.
I think the 90% comment is very true. I also think the PS3 will evolve more slowly, like the PS2 did.
September 17th, 2007
Sony i am glad to say wont be the overall winner.
By the time the developers get to grips with the ps3 itl all be to late. This is a rerun of saturn vs playstation. The saturn on paper was suposed to be more powerfull and due to ea and a handfull of other lazzy developers the saturn was misunderstood.
^^^^Even if you think the 360 is running out of steam,it doesent matter to the developers they will just continue to make the games at the same pace. The snes was to little to late compared to the megadrive and so will the ps3 to the 360. By the time ps3 starts getting any decent understanding or attention from the 3rd party suport,the 360 will have a upgrade or even a sequal. Its about time sony came to a end. Microsoft avenging sega………………….
September 17th, 2007
Yeah the 360 might be easier and cheaper to prouduce for but the only reason i bought a ps3 is for quality. At least my ps3 still works since launch same cant be said about my friends 360. Microsoft relizes on cheating and trickery to sell their product. Namely 360 with a 33% defect rate. Thats completly appauling in my opinion. Long live Sony. Down w/ the crapbox.
September 17th, 2007
Tell me which generation was victorious with better specs?
Gameboy vs Gamegear
N64 vs PS1
PS2 vs Xbox
Its never about the ‘potential’ of a system. It’s what the system can actually do and its overall appeal. Playstation3 loses in those categories as its not a gaming machine anymore — sorry gamers, but you should really go 360 if you want the best experience. If you want a blu-ray then buy a PS3.
September 17th, 2007
Why on earth would you want sony to “come to an end”?! You’d rather one company monopolised the game market so they could freely jack up the prices and make no technological progress?!!? Competition between companies is GOOD FOR THE CONSUMER (that’s you)
September 17th, 2007
^^^^THANK YOU^^^^
September 17th, 2007
The thing is its about now,not the future……..
The fact right now is nintendo is selling lots of units ’so the reports say’ And 360 has the best games and online experiance. If and when the ps3 actualy starts delivering what the consumer expects…..well thats when sony have done what they promised. At the min,As far as im concerned im going studio to finish coupla tracks on my 8 quad core mac pro.
September 17th, 2007
sony fanboys are always making excuses. the O.G. Xbox was the superior system when compared to the ps2 but they said it was to big. ok so now the xbox 360 is smaller and less powerful than the ps3 and yet their still making excuses. i swear! i like the 360 but im not afraid to give ps3 its props. so why are the ps3 fanboys affraid to give xbox 360 its just dues? oh and btw, the ps2 only has such a large fanbase because it has no comp and its gonna get larger this christmas because im gonna get 1 for my kid. see ,thats how ya do it.
September 17th, 2007
coupla things.
This is as full of shit as a thanksgiving turkey. If this were a true developer they would know that.
This is just Sony fanboy drivel disguised as “news” (i like both by the way, each has its plusses)
A. The 360 has 3 cores. Devs don’t like developing across cores, very few games use more than one core. SO YES MAYBE 90% of one core may be used in today’s games, for christ’s sake. There’s plenty of room to move on up, each core can handle dual threads too, so, in this regard, PS3~6 or 7, X360~6. We have not seen games using more than one core, even gears did not… When the hell has it EVER taken NOT EVEN two years to max out ANY console. This is bullshit folks, and i’m tired of hearing it…
Why do ports of 360 games not run as well on PS3?, b/c the games made for this “one core” and unified memory architecture “construct” do not translate b/c the base core plus memory and GPU is actually MORE powerful than the PS3’s base, thus the need for the SPE’s to even things out. That is why things are getting better in this regard, devs are coming to grips with the SPE usage and compiling a little better. BUT base for base goes actually to 360. deving on PS3 to port 360 is already tapping into the overhead and SPE’s to get the damn thing to run AS GOOD as 360 on one core… IT is possible that when the Cell gets cranking on all “8 cylinders” as i’ve heard the expression, that it MAY outperform the V6 of the 360, but right now the PS3 needs 6 cylinders to compare to the 360’s games running on 4 cylinders (like the analogy?)
Unified memory is always better than segmented too, if i want memory, i want memory w/o having to rob Peter to pay Paul… XDR is pretty quick, but more memory is always better than faster, and 360 gives you easier access to more..
the GPU in the 360, we’ve heard it many times is practically a DX10 card, and no PC cards i’m aware of have 10mb of EDRAM for MSAA, etc. with “virtually” no performance hit. Go back to the ol flamebait gamespot comparisons and compare the AA b/t the two platforms and tell me which is better, then tell me why.
I’m tired of basically lies. If PS3 owners need to do stuff like this to feel better, great, i can understand why, really i can, you have nothing else to do with your time. PS3 is a great system with lots of promise, and i’m sure once the games start using all thats available, it will do some AMAZING THINGS, but keep things in perspective, the 360, for coming out a year ahead, is amazingly neck and neck with the thing..
Blu-Ray is the only thing that the 360 can’t do, extra space is great for devs b/c who isn’t lazy when they can be and if you don’t have to compress, then why do it?, especially if it cuts load times. Right now though, it is not needed and is a luxury if anything. In the future, who knows?. Only thing is, PS3 is slower to pull data off of a BD than a 360 is for a DVD9, which is why HDD caching and other little tricks are done.
I’m so tired of this shit. Basically when all is said and done
MOST DEVS WILL TELL YOU THAT IT IS A WASH.. THERE IS TOO LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM TO FIND ONE, QUIT TRYING…
September 17th, 2007
Come on, wake up!, WII and XBOX 360 sell well because they are HACKABLE!, PS2 still sells like hot cakes exactly because of this.
I bet a leg that if some sort of “pandora battery” is devised for the PS3 to run an ISO loader it will outsell even the WII
Sony is an arrogant bi***h, but their console is an amazing job!
September 17th, 2007
Wow, PS3 fanboys still wanking it to the PS3 potential. Sad, sad little fanboys.
I have an inside source that says the Blogger doesn’t have an inside source and is just making shit up.
September 17th, 2007
so what your saying ^^^youdumbfucks^^^ is that i prolly wont be emulating xbox360 on the ps3 anytime soon. damn…..
so to sum things up i think:
-if you want everything out now currently, evolved to the max >>>>>>>>>>> buy the 360
-if you want sony’s gambled alien architecture games and everything mentioned above for the 360 >>>>>>>>>>buy the ps3
-or wait till the pc emulates both in the year 2011… im predicting…think about it
well i got my ps3 for free. so whatever the f**k ever.
September 17th, 2007
oh also,
The whole time during the development of the 360, MS was obsessed with what SONY was doing hardware wise, anyone in Redmond can tell you this.
For both platforms to be finalized around the same time (mid 05), they are very similarly capable and are both using the exact same time period of tech, the PS3 is not newer in any way, it was delayed (360 should have been delayed too, for obvious reasons).. Blu ray is the reason it took sony an extra year, and it really cost them…
MS’s system is all about power with efficiency, SONY’s is about brute force. Different approaches, same result, not likely to change any.
360 would be a Nissan Z foce inducted… v6 doing 0-60 in around 5 sec.
PS3 would be a C6 Corvette doing 0-60 in around 5 sec.
get it? Nissan getting more power/displacement than the vette, but both remarkably having the same lap times… I love car analogies,,, i’m a gear head i guess… I’m done, heh…
September 17th, 2007
I don’t think anyone can predict the outcome of this gen. No one expected the “fun factor” of the Wii would dominate. Everyone expected the PS3 to continue the PS2 trend. And no one expected such a price sensitive consumer. 360 is right in the center of these points, as such, has done well.
It will be interesting to see how many more 360’s Halo 3 sells. That momentum will take years to overcome for PS3 would be developers.
Also, the PS2 is actually hurting PS3 sales. Again price sensitive consumers have made it clear what they want. Not Blu ray and not a $700+ console.
Wii offer family fun at a good price point.
360 offers the most games and a price point that moves consumers.
PS3 can only hope for a change in the future. I keep hearing about the 10 year life cycle. Well that may or may not be true. This gen have proven to be different. So should all expectations.
This gen war is not about graphics……….don’t you get it????????????
September 17th, 2007
@Youdumbfucks
Get your facts straight. It’s impossible for the 360 to have a 3 core system. Why? Because AMD is trying to make a 3 core chip in an attempt to get a NONEXISTENT MARKET.
And the running on 6 cylinder thing doesn’t work because it’s impossible for the Cell architecture to have an idle core. It distributes code to each SPE in order to generate graphics. It’s like telling your car to turn off a cylinder (which the new Civic V6 does btw, but that’s besides the point).
PS3’s BD has a Constant Linear Velocity read head, so that means it reads the edge as fast as the center of the disc (8x). The 360’s DVD drive is 12x, but it’s constant angular velocity. That means the center is read faster than the edge. At the middle, both BD & DVD are read at the same speed. DVD is faster on the inside, and BD is faster on the outside. So for extremely large files, BD is better.
But none of this really matters if you like the system you purchased, and the price is good for you.
September 17th, 2007
Here’s how things will go…the article makes a good point, though not correctly. You can always find a way to get two computers to talk to each other if you try hard enough, so code conversion shouldn’t be made into the issue. Its the fact that the PS3s power is largely un-utilized that will make it impossible to port games to the 360 because it just won’t be able to do it…not a large enough media drive…no standardized hard drive…weak (by comparison) processor… Then M$ will need to come out with a new system…only this new system will cost $700 and in its infancy won’t be able to do what the $200 - $300 PS3 (after price drops) can do once its power is fully realized. Trust me…M$ won’t be able to survive in a games market then. Sony is doing well with their 10 year per console plan and this generation is going to be what crushes M$ and gets them out of the gaming market. Mark my words…bye-bye M$
And M$ fanboys can go ahead and dismiss this as a PS3 fanboy talking…I could care less what some idiot who purchases a broken console just to play Halo thinks… Go PSWii!
September 17th, 2007
Just a little note, 360 games look and run better then the same games on the ps3, I think his “inside source” in the development community is probably his mom. Play the games, its been a year now, and 360 games still surpass the ps3 every time. How many articles about the “eventual power” of the ps3 are still going to come out?
“buy this! in 3 years it really is going to have better graphics HONEST!”
September 17th, 2007
Ohh ya and next year the PS3 MIGHT get 60 frames per second instead of an ify 30fps. Nice to have that 10mb of EDRAM where all that post processing is done helps the 360 keep a constant 60fps.
September 17th, 2007
Ohh ya and next year the PS3 MIGHT get 60 frames per second instead of an ify 30 frame per second. I’m guessing it is nice to have that 10mb of EDRAM so all that post processing is done with that instead of main memory. I wonder if this helps the 360 keep a constant 60.
September 17th, 2007
Hey where did my post go:
I don’t care 360 or ps3 OR Wii, where are my links to the ps3 dev kit or even a Wii. Something like XNA Platform or the XNA Express?
Also what is the cost for entry into that development? The 360 is $99.00 for XNA Express. As a developer where can I get that on the PS3? Where can I get something for $100 to develope a PS3 game?
creators.xna.com
September 17th, 2007
You remove all my posts I guess I hit a never. childish.
some one.
September 17th, 2007
tuaamin,
check it out, this was the shortest article i could find in case your attention waivered. It’s old, but good.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=3
Main difference with what you are talking of, i.e. the AMD chip would be an out of order chip, whereas the 3 core xenon is an in order chip. an in order chip will always be weaker and cheaper (XBOX 1 had a 3O chip, btw, too bad neither PS3 or 360 do, they’d be a beast)… in order chips like in PS3 and 360 are pretty “stupid” compared to even a dual core out of order chip.
also, the analogy b/t engines and chips wasn’t meant to be taken as a direct equivalent of how a CPU and an engine work, obviously there will be some “slight” differences, i’m talking purely the output equivalents here,,, good job, it was obviously over your head.
September 17th, 2007
@ ruddigerpez - ooooooh shit u just PISSED off some 360 fans (internet gangsters) lol. regards to the aticle, 360 gpu slightly better than the rsx, ps3 cpu alot better than the 360 cpu. if a super developer was to make a game that maxed out both systems the ps3 will shine but in reality, the ps3 is too difficult to work with (or too advanced) at the moment so who knows? maybe this article is true…… or not lol
to the guy that wants sony out of the business. thee gaming industry will be total shit with no competition and they have been market leaders since 95 so they must have been doing something right. stop hating! before anybody calls me a fanboy, il be buying halo 3 next week……. yea thats right i have an xbox aswel as a ps3 and like them both! however next year i think the ps3 will realy start to take off.
September 17th, 2007
This is great! I’m prolly gonna buy the PS3 next summer. Right now i’m enjoying my 360, i’m gonna play all the good games, i’ll prolly buy Halo 3, i don’t think it’ll live up to the hype, but it should be a good game. Halo can wait though, i’m gonna get Assassin’s Creed. That games the shit. But neway i think its cool that the PS3’s power would be able to be cranked up so hight, werd!!!!!! the 3rd exbox is already in production, the tech is prolly not that great, but as of now, its taking care of this generation’s needs.
September 17th, 2007
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September 17th, 2007
I got Xbox 360 as the price is reasonable and it got good base of games as it has started 1 year earlier than PS3. As soon as PS3 reduce to a good price OR next new Xbox I will get them if the price is right.
September 17th, 2007
Xbox360 = Xbox 1.5
September 18th, 2007
Ps3=Saturn
September 18th, 2007
Is Sean P. Aune a developer?
The PS3 is stonger, but not that much (according to developers with products like Quake, Doom…etc)
If developer would say this then sure, I would accept it but it aint the case.
8-10 year cycle for the PS3? Sure because of its price entry. Sony should stop thinking that its No.1 and that it can do what ever it wants.
The console’s is going to be like the PC’s…the life cycles are going to be reduced.
Upgrade or die.
September 18th, 2007
did you say developer have some problem with ps3.fuck them i am waiting for GT5
September 18th, 2007
First of all let me start off by saying I have both a PS3 and an Xbox 360. I bought the PS3 figuring it would be great, more powerful etc…Well as I sat there playing ports from the 360 and waiting for new games (that the 360 already had) I had enough. I waited 9 months and nothing happened with the PS3. I went out and bought a 360 and have never been happier. Despite some initial problems with Xbox Live, it has been great. I can play music and message in game. Can’t do that on my PS3! It is smooth and TON’s of games! Ps3 doesn’t have that….I’m tired of waiting. I want games now. I don’t want to wait for 1-2 years for them to come out. Sony needs to figure something out because tons of PS3 fanboys are buying Xbox 360’s
September 18th, 2007
I like the whole “PS3 Games will be better than Xbox 360 games as soon as they start getting developed for the PS3 and then ported to the Xbox 360. Well… Burnout Paradise was developed for the PS3 and was ported to the 360 and the developers themselves say that the game runs just as well on the 360 as the PS3 with the same graphical quality.
Doesn’t sound like the PS3 is that much better to me.
September 18th, 2007
about the lifespan of 8 - 10 years of the ps3. it doesnt mean the next ps (ps4) will be released after 10 years. sony already stated the ps4 would be a little over 5 years away. same as ps2 and ps3, the ps2 has been out for almost 8 years and the ps3 was announced in 2005 and released 2006. they just better not release it with different media and complicated architecure.
September 18th, 2007
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September 18th, 2007
if sony was to win this gen. fanboys will reach a whole new level next gen! and sony will be even more big headed. if they fail this gen maybe they will come down to earth again for next gen lol ps3 is still a kick ass system though just lacking games at present.
September 18th, 2007
I was a day 1 PS3 owner. Why not? I mean, I went with PS1 and PS2 and was more than happy with those systyems. However, there just weren’t many compelling titles to play, and the free online was nice, there wasn’t much content. After a while, all I could ask is “What did I really get for the money?!”
I said screw it and traded it in and got a 360 Elite. I’ve had no issues and keep it cool. I never thought I’d go to the M$ camp, but I haven’t been happier. So many great games to play RIGHT NOW (my God, Bioshock is sweet) and despite paying for it, XBL is worth every penny. Lots of demos to play with, and I’m actually a big fan of the XBLA and the selection (could use some Gradius/R-Type/Einhander shooters) has been pretty cool.
Fact is this - I was always waiting with my PS3, and with 360, I have lots of great games to play today. I feel Sony dropped the ball big time because it seemed like Sony always had the best overall library. Right now I don’t think it’s even close to 360. I think Sony will go the N64 route - a few great games on the stronger system while 360 has a bigger library.
September 18th, 2007
Oh man, i gotta LOL at all this bulldust.
Why oh why do i keep hearing this comment?
‘The PS3 has yet to reach its potential.’
Ultimately, here’s the crux of the matter.
The PS3 promised in 2005 (that is nearly 3 years ago believe it or not)that it would its games would have:
- better Physics (explosions? lol)
- better AI (7 cores? lol)
- better graphics (duck demo? lol)
- cheaper availability with economies of scale
- more games and broader acceptance
In 2005 Sony PROMISED that the PS3 would outperform the 360 in EVERY WAY
Unfortunately REALITY has a way of catching up with misguided marketing hype and even the hopeful zeal of fans…
As of NOW:
- 360 outperforms or matches the PS3 in ALL ported games
-360 has better or comparable graphics in ALL games
-360 is cheaper and we can CHOOSE wether we
want HD media or not.
Three years into the 360’s lifecycle; these are the facts.
With regard to the potential of the PS3, consider this: Why, after all this time and all the promises, is the mighty PS3 brand performing so abysmally compared to the xbox360?
PS3… i am waiting… still !!
just pointing out the facts people… don’t shoot the messenger…
September 18th, 2007
360 fanboys keep saying that there are no games or that they traded in their PS3 to get games now. You are all stupid. No games console has ever had a great games lineup from day one. Not PS1 PS2 SNES nobody. So that is a load of crap. It ALWAYS takes like a year before you start seeing the really good games. Let’s see the XBOX360 has been out for over a year and WOW look BioShock and Halo3 surprising. Next year after the PS3 has been out for a year. Look MGS4 and Final Fantasy 13. You all keep rehashing the same stupid stuff. The only thing that ever ‘wins’ a console war are games. That is what will decide it. After the next year we will start to see which platform can produce the best exclusive games and then maybe you will start to see a winner. However since both Sony and Microsoft have sunk so much money into these machines there will never be a true winner because neither will let them die. Keep arguing though you guys give me something to laugh at.
September 18th, 2007
I am like the other smart PS3 owners, I bought the PS3 when it first came out. Also drank the sony and fanboy kool aid about wait, WAIT they are coming, just one more month!!!
Finally I just got sick of it, why deprive myself of awesome games on another system, just because i have some odd love for a faceless company. So i changed, bought an elite, and my lord thank god i did. Games Games and more Games. I have enough good games now and being released by December to be playing until the next consoles come out.
Face it, If you got duped into the PS3 camp, its not too late, sony isnt going to hate you if you break up with them. Hey , send em some flowers and chocolates when the ps4 comes out, and hope that one will be worth it.
The point of this post is, SONY get your stuff together, was a sony fan for the last 2 gens, but like allot of other people, you lost me (just like you lost this gen) on this one. Better luck on the next, I mean with sales like youve had you’ll need that 10 year life cycle just to get to where the other two are now.
September 18th, 2007
G-sus
Yeah, we’re crying…right into the sholder of Master Chief and the commander for Mass Effect, and as we speak the guy from Bioshock is comforting me pretty well. Thanks for your concern. LOL
September 18th, 2007
Keep drinking the kool-aid Jason, remember they are coming, yes they are, just wait a little longer. LoL hahhahhaa. I remember LAIR was supposed to be your killer game. After how many delays, and it still sucked horribly, seriously i havent looked in a while but what games does the ps3 actually have now. Just looked at the wiki for it, and it hasnt changed since i sold mine, TBA on most of them.
Meanwhile I’m playing, Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Gears Of War, Bioshock, Crackdown, And so on, you get the point. Just go ahead and keep waitingg, or hey go play your ps2 games lol ahahhaha.
September 18th, 2007
I propose that Microsoft and Sony get together and develop the “Playstation X”. Now before I get ripped on by both sets of fanboys, think about this. Microsoft is obviously a software company, and Sony is known for their hardware. If they were to join together, the syneregistic effect would be awesome. It would be a powerful, RELIABLE (sony) and easy to develop for system (microsoft).
But of course that would mean no more “fanboyism”…we can’t not have that! lol
It may sound like crazy talk, but image all the money everyone would save, developers would only need to develop for one system, sony and MS would save a boat load too…a win win for everyone.
September 18th, 2007
xbox 3shitty is fck’n DOOMED!PS3 is gonna walk on them in 6 months.halo started xbox and it will finish them 2.now lets get back on W A R H A R K
September 18th, 2007
I find it funny that 360 fanboys mock the PS3 fanboys for being “sheep” and being “duped into the PS3 camp” when they are locked in with the most evil, manipulative corporation on Earth.
My response to the statement “the PS3 has potential, but there are no good games now” is “sure the 360 has more games, but it breaks 33% of the time”. At least the PS3 isn’t junk.
Admit it, M$ treats you like crap with the 360…how much down time have you had waiting to get your 360 fixed? How many times has it been fixed? Is that worth the games? Intelligent people would say no…360 fanboys say yes.
Think of it, if you backed a good product like the PS3 things would evolve alot faster since developers would get off their asses and get to work instead of whining about how hard it is to develop for…
So you say Microsoft gets you good games now? Does it matter that they positioned themselves to be first to market by releasing a product that was engineered horribly? Why should M$ be rewarded for this? Where is the accountability?
You might say that M$ isn’t profiting…and thats crap… Game licensing people…for every copy of every title sold (not just M$ published games) they get money. So I say to the M$ fanboys…stop being sheep and following an evil company into gaming hell. Go PSWii!
September 18th, 2007
lol ROCCOZILLA i think you said you like the ps3? Weve been hearing about the ps3 supposed to be walkin on allot of things, and we are all still waiting, at this point, Sony is the dog thats barking but never bites, and they are sitting comfortably in last place with the PS3, and it wont be changing anytime soon, not if LAIR and warhawk are the best they can do until MGS4 comes out. Sorry for you but the PS3 will not catch up this gen. I know your a typical PS fanboy so math escapes you, but get someone to explain the numbers to you and you will see, PS3 is at about 3 million and 360 and wii are above 10 million you see thats a higher number than the PS3 that means it is losing, you see how that works?
September 18th, 2007
RuddigerPez you have to be kidding, I was a sony fan for the last 2 gens, but they dropped the ball on this, and i am not rewarding them for it. I have yet to have my 360 break, and if it does, i get a new one for free, i dont need to spend any money. If MS didnt have the games I wouldnt own there console either, but I am a gamer and I go where the games are and thats MS and the wii. I also dont buy this idiotic crap about “the most evil, manipulative corporation on Earth” First of all thats just crap english, secondly you must be joking, their must be other corporations, maybe Japanese ones that begin with S that could be just as bad. You sheep that just blindly defend sony because its sony are pathetic. They are a company and you are their money. If you go away they change, and normally for the better. Realize you have the power and they do not. Hell start reading a little Ayn Rand and educate yourself in objectivism while your at it.
September 18th, 2007
@karlostomy:
Go to this website: http://www.microsuck.com/content/whatsbad.shtml
And see why Microsoft is evil. Granted…this website is biased but they site credible sources. Now if they are this evil in the software business, you can bet the are doing the same in hardware.
And yes, they’ve extended the warranty for RROD, but even after a repair some 360’s still fail, so they are still doing poor work most likely because its cheap…just like their console…and why change things? Check out this site:
http://www.slashgear.com/refurbished-xbox-360-dies-within-5-minutes-147399.php
What I would really be impressed by is if they replaced RROD failures with a new, properly engineered console. Then they might actually deserve some credit.
I will give credit to the game developers for the 360…they are what gives it its popularity. Though I won’t dole out too many props…as its probably very similar to developing for PC and so once again they are being a bit lazy….however, business is business.
Also, when you talk of PS2 issues of the past, we speak of 1 - 2 % failure rates, not 33%. And your 360 isn’t free of class-action suits:
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/10/scratchin-it-xbox-360-class-action-lawsuit-filed/
Aren’t you sick of lying to yourself karlostomy? The evidence is overwhelming.
suck it 360
suck it microsoft
I guess I did give credit where it was due…
xxxooo
September 18th, 2007
I Would love to get into a flame, but i don’t like them because you flamer’s loss context, we all love games no matter what system it is. The Xbox 360 may run for the next 2 to 3 years or more, but just think of it this wait, if MS decides that it’s time to upgrade then they will, Nintendo has painted them into a corner, because there next system has to compete against the wii, PS3 is very powerful (not getting issues) but that power is going to hurt it big time, by the time developers really understand how to handle it 100% MS will have the next step XBOX which will be more powerfull, and will be running with Direct x 12 or 14 by then, also to help developers it may even have 360 final dev kit as basic foundation to help adapt to the new hardware, the only think would be price and how advance it is.
BEFORE I GO SOME FOOL SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HALO 3, ARE DENCE (FOOL) OR WHAT IF YOU EVER PLAYED ANY OF THE HALO’S YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE BUNGIE DID NOT WANT TO COMPROMISE THE ENVIRONMENT FROM THE FIRST 2 GAMES THEY ARE LITTLE DETAILS USED TO KEEP THAT ENVIRONMENT IN PLACE. THEY ARE A FEW DEVELOPER WHO ARE USING THE HALO ENGINE, CAPCOM, MISTWALKER AND OTHERS, YOU MATE ARE A REAL TOILET, IF ALL GAME DEVELOPERS GO AROUND MAKING GAME THAT LOOK THE SAME, WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT, RES EVIL, SILENT HILL NOW COMPARE THEM, SAME STYLE BUT GRAPHIC PRESENTATION COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. SO BEFORE YOU LEAP TO JUDGE READ DEVELOPER INTERVIEW UNDERSTAND WHY PS3 CAN HOLD ON TO EXCLUSIVES AND WHY NO ONE IS BUYING IT, ON MY HOME I STOP IN VIRGIN AND HMV MEGASTORES 360 TITLES NEW TITLES, PS3 THE SAME LAME LAUNCH TITLES, SHOULDN’T DEVELOPERS HAVE HAD THE FINAL DEV KITS, WERE IS THE SUPPORT FROM SONY FOR DEV’S, THE LONGER THE 360 REMAINS ON THE MARKET THE MORE DEV’S WILL MAKE GAMES BECAUSE THE ALL GOT TO GET PAIDED……FINAL POINT SQUARE ENIX WATCH THE 360 BRIEFING CONFERENCE SQ,EN (In all my 20yrs or gaming it never thought that i be standing here on MS system to talk a game.) it went something like that, even Square needs to get paid.
September 18th, 2007
Well karlostomy, the Sony hating page was just funny…no references or proof…just some conceited dude ranting cuz he’s pissed…kindof like we are. I’m not listening to that dude anymore than I listen to you…and I’m sure you aren’t listening to me. But if you’re slighting me for being angry…well shame on you when you’re citing this guy…
And yes…at home I do use Linux (at work I’m forced to do otherwise). I have not paid for an M$ product in almost 5 years.
I did notice that you agree the 360 failure rate was horrible. Did you read my post where I was not making a point regarding that…but the fact that even refurbished 360s fail for the same reason and that my issue was with that? I mean, what good is a two year extended warranty if you keep having the same issue over and over again. Its like getting the engine in your car replaced because its defective and then having the engine break down weeks later. No one would put up with that either…
I do agree that the M$ class action suit can very well be due to careless people instead of the console…I was just citing that to make the point that no console will be free of such lawsuits so your evidence of the PS2 issue was moot. I think that most lawsuits are frivolous… And settling is not an admission of guilt…because of this frivolousness its usually cheaper to settle than fight and win…my guess is M$ will settle their suit as well even though they may not be at fault.
And your statement about M$ products to enhance lives was rich…if Linux ruled the world computers would be utilized fully and lives would be very much enhanced.
Anyways…all this posting has really taken up way too much time…I’d rather use this time to play Warhawk, Resistance, or Metroid Prime 3…so that’s what I’ll do. I’ve made my points…
Its been fun karlostomy…I’ll see you on PSN once you sell your 360…
September 19th, 2007
When developers program a game for multiple consoles, they program for the lowest common denominator and then port up. If there are enough 360s in people’s homes, we won’t be seeing many games developed for the PS3 exclusively and then ported over.
September 19th, 2007
youdumbfucks
350Z Won’t need FI to do a 0-60 in 5 seconds…
ST 450HP Z car running on mostly stock internals would crack that easily.
The car is rated at 5.4 second 0-60 stock.
TT 550+ HP Z car is a more likely FI option.
September 20th, 2007
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September 20th, 2007
Yeah, these “undisclosed developers” sure are trustworthy.
This is just pure bullsh-t. Xbox games we’re ported quite efficiently to the much weaker PS2 in previous generation, so there is really no issue at all here. They may not all be exactly 1:1 (it remains to be seen how much crunch the PS3 really has), but I quarantee it’ll be close enough. Most people likely won’t notice a difference.
September 20th, 2007
playstation 3 rules and 360 fanboys know it.
September 23rd, 2007
It is amusing to say that when it comes to game development the PS3’s graphics power will take over. When the Xbox was released with superior capabilities compared to the PS2, Sony said it’s not about graphics, but gameplay…now Sony brags about graphics. Also, Xbox has 3 cores, and I would bet that that two of them are not really used, since even the latest PC games rarely adopt more than one core. Also, the graphics engine on the 360 is more modern than the geforce 7800 chip on the PS3. The 360 is open architecture 512megs of ram while the PS3 has dedicated 256mb for video, 256 mb for system.
Will PS3 have some amazing exclusive games, sure it will…will the XBox 360? You bet. Look at the primative PS2 and how good Gods of WarII looks?
Both systems have not been tapped yet and have more or less been used as PC ports. You will see some amazing stuff coming out in the next couple of years made excusively for both systems.
September 24th, 2007
ps2 had tons of games
ps3 does not do 1080i
i want to play games not pay 600$+50$for hd cables+60$4 a game+1000$ for a tv that does 720p [my homie tv only gets 480p out of his hd cause of that hiccupon the ps3] sony screwed us i have a 360 but i had a ps1&2 i was not going to wait for a year cause i am a gamer but they made it a serious movie player if u have an hdtv some do some dont.ps3 owners cant feel a hit in madden or a slight head shot rumble on their controllers but they can tilt the direction they wanna fall enjoy gaming and stop frontin like u dont miss that i wish ps3 was on point i would get all 3 systems in time but when a console comes out and is available soon after launch somebody left the door open and shit is missing ps enjoy gaming
September 25th, 2007
Wow dudes your taking this gaming thing to seriously. However, {from a non tech point of view} Xbox 360 has it’s faults just like PS3. Overheating issues, game freezing, blu ray diode failures,etc.etc. So in the end what makes a system a success? Hmmm! The GAMES. Point
blank! Xbox 360 has a variety of hot games out and the rest soon too follow. Along with the systems price drop what can hold back Xbox 360.
Then Gears of War/Halo 3 leading the
way does PS3 have a chance now. I think not. There on a ten year life cycle w/a couple mediocre games to
lead there charge? Wow, PS Fans good luck to your 500/600 dollar PS3
.LMAO
September 28th, 2007
[...] Developer: Xbox 360 games keeping up with PS3, but not for long …With the 360 being in the range of 2 years old now, it is said they have used about 90% of the systems resources, which allows for some PS3 games to be … [...]
October 1st, 2007
I think the bottom line of all this is, like many ppl said. These two systems will do well. Yes like everyone says ps3 needs time. think about it, when the ps2 came out they had all these games for it. Every title was on ps2. When xbox came out they had no titles but Halo and some next exclusive games. So to end this all, this is like a turn in history, 360 has all the games because it was out first and its got the title support. So if you want a quick and a slightly longterm fix get tha 360, but if you a system thats gonna be more powerful and play catch up but good and better in the long run get a PS3. Like i said, Xbox in general had to play catch up to all the system, but SONY will be on top again just cause the titles will come back and ppl will see its worth, like ppl now see the worth of the old XBOX, i my self own a 360 Elite and i love it, i cant lie i do, but deep down inside, i know its mah fix until MGS4 and ff13 and maybe madden next year and other titles that will be Brutally better on a ps3. SO I Love mah 360, for now, but u best know that B*tch will hit back seat when i get mah ps3 in spring or summer…thats all…so i love all systems, except for the wii cause im not a family person…
October 2nd, 2007
[...] Developer: Xbox 360 games keeping up with PS3, but not for long …As for PS3 games, it was expected. 1080p is its maximum output capability, not a minimum rendering resolution for games. All games' resolutions will be … [...]
October 2nd, 2007
The PS3 is doomed - and will be out of date very soon with the new Xbox 720 trumping it once again - the PS3 has no games of note, no one writes for it, nothing exclusive, no one buys it, it costs to much to develop for, the graphics suck, and worst of all its an expensive George Foreman Grill. Game over PS3..hope the Ps4 is better
October 3rd, 2007
I TELL U NOW!!!!!!!! I ABSOLUTLY HATE XBOXS I THINK THEIR SH1T!!!!!!! AND PS3 WILL ALWAYS BE ON TOP NOW AND IN YEARS TO COME!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK AT ALL THEBEST GAMES THATS COMING OUT MGS4 FF13 KILLZONE 2 ASSASSINS CREED GTA4 GTHD, GOD SOME 1 PLZ STOP ME I CAN’T STOP MY SELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BASICLY XBOX AND XBOX ELITE ARE FCUKIN WANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 3rd, 2007
hey by the way if any one have anything to say about the xbox 360 or elite or defently PLAYSTATION 3 then e-mail me on (nikeharris@hotmail.co.uk) because i would love to know what you think about my message above this one THANX!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 4th, 2007
Ye, they are shit. I’ve enjoyed mine over the last 14 months, Oblivion, GOW, Bioshock, all superb games. Halo3, never got the chance to play it and never will now as my xbox RROD. I’ve owned just about every console in the last 20 years and none of them ever packed up. Now I understand 33% of xbox’s knacker up. Once is enough for me, it’s a PS3 for me now.
October 5th, 2007
[...] Developer: Xbox 360 games keeping up with PS3, but not for long …So what other PS3 games will incorporate Xfire, and why is Sony opting to outsource the development of certain community features for its upcoming … [...]
October 7th, 2007
Ive had 3 Xbox 360’s due to numerous returns and my conclusion is that it is a piece of shit. During that time I also had a Playstation 3 and never had a problem in comparision it is an overall superior product. I am not a person that really cares who will win a “console war”. It does make me laugh however when there is all this sony bashing from Xbox users. What did you use before the XBox? As for the Playstation price, worth every penny. Sony will develop games far superior to microsofts that will raise the bar. If Microsoft develops a new console that surpasses that and is not a piece of shit I will purchase one and still be happy with my playstation 3.
October 9th, 2007
[...] Developer: Xbox 360 games keeping up with PS3, but not for long …In retrospect, the rollout told us everything we needed to know. In last year's lead-up to the. [...]
October 10th, 2007
[...] Developer: Xbox 360 games keeping up with PS3, but not for long …With the 360 being in the range of 2 years old now, it is said they have used about 90% of the systems resources, which allows for some PS3 games to be … [...]
October 13th, 2007
gad, who cares? i bought a ps3 because it carries currently and promises the kind of games i want to play and comes with all the features that interest me in a next gen console - don’t have to throw down for many extras or subscriptions.
all these half-assed product speculations are hearsay at best - we are dealing with a whole new scenario of gaming, with much higher stakes, emphasis on immersion, innovation, connectivity, and detail. this is not history repeating itself, this is gaming history being made.
October 15th, 2007
*Yawn* - This is such nonsense that it’s not even funny. Any dev who puts a percentage on how much is being used on any console is simply talking BS (and Naughty Dog agrees with this!). That’s a fact. There is so much more to be achieved on both consoles that to make such statements is just laughable.
The proof of how laughable it is can be seen in the fact that when ever we hear anything like this, the source is usually anonymous. Hmmmm, how convenient.
Gee, I wonder if that ‘undisclosed developer source’ is a Sony exclusive developer. Oh no, surely that can’t be it. No way!
Great results will continue to be achieve on both consoles, but anyone waiting for the PS3 to race ahead in the way suggested here are in for a VERY long wait (i.e. forever).
Just enjoy the consoles, enjoy the games and don’t get caught so easily by PR, lies, distortions and half truths from anonymous sources.
October 17th, 2007
xbox had better graphics than ps2, ps2 had better games, ps3 MAY have better graphics eventually, but I see no end to the better games coming to the 360.
February 8th, 2008
red what the fuck. yeah 360 had better games in 2007 but in 2008 ps3 is the console with the best
exclusives. All 360 has in 2008 is lost odyssey(going to be shit) gears of war 2 ( wont make 2008 release it’ll be released in 2009) and 2 downloadable GTA IV chapters(downloadable content is really to going determine the winner of the console war is’nt it NOT). ps3 has MGS4,
killzone 2,Haze,tekken 6,little big planet,the next final fantasy,gran turismo 5,resistance 2,
motorstorm 2,L.A Noire and socom confrontation. also the framerate issues are almost gone with multiplatform games COD4 and assassins creed run at 60 fps just like the 360 versions. Plus more multiplatform games are starting to be developed with ps3 as the lead development platform burnout paradise for example. oh and home will destroy xbox live. it will be the number one online game network on consoles. you will be
able to socialise more create your own avatar have a trophy room similar to 360’s achievements
watch movies jump right in to online games send
content on your ps3 hard drive to friends for example photos, music, videos,game saves etcetera. and with hd-dvd nearly dead paramount and dreamworks will go blu-ray in the coming months and universal eventually that will be the end of hd-dvd and ps3 will be then the cheapest way to watch hd-movies.Also developers are starting to understand cell. by the end of 2008 ps3 will have graphics and physics on first and third party games 360 will never be able to do. ps3 will take over 360 in 2008 and in 2009 when people realise there is no point putting up with gamecube graphics and hardly any serious games and a childish control
system people will start looking to buy ps3’s and 360’s if they do good in 2009 because they will do shit in 2008. by the end of 2009 ps3 will be
1st place 360 2nd and wii 3rd people will have just lost interest in it.
May 10th, 2008
I have a few things to say.
I have a ps3, and am happy.
I have never once bought a blu-ray film.
I am happy with DVD for films.
But listen here… the ps3 doesn’t put in the blu-ray for its films, PS3 USES BLU-RAY FOR GAMES, GAMES OF 50GB AND HIGHER IN SIZE!!!
people keep saying “buy a ps3 only if you want blu-ray FOR MOVIES, but do they forget that the ps3 uses it for games? I think so.
May 13th, 2008
Here’s my thing: Look at all the of really popular games for Xbox:
Halo 1-3, Mass Effect, Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, Gears of War, BioShock.
What do they all have in common? They’re setting on my shelf with a pretty “PC” logo on the side or will be eventually (Halo 3, Mass Effect).
Why buy an Xbox when I can get the same games on my PC?
May 28th, 2008
stop m$ completing world domination - buy a ps3/wii. xbots have already been sucked in, poor guys, but they couldnt help the brain washing
May 28th, 2008
wow..and techblorge continues the cycle of silliness and fanboyism.
1. how can a developer be “unnamed”?
2. where is the mention of the 360’s embedded RAM?
3. where is the mention of the 360’s 3-core (actual)processor vs. the ps3’s ONE core?
4. why are 360 games looking better than ps3 games?
5. who said the 360 has used 90% of its resources? another unnamed “source”?
dumbest. article. ever.
June 8th, 2008
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July 19th, 2008
to BrianH
yeah those games are on pc but everyone has their own way of playing games, some people like playing it on consoles, others on computers