Sony preparing 160GB PS3 to deliver killing blow to Xbox 360
By Jonathan Schlaffer
Information coming from a “reliable inside source” has said that Sony will replace the phased out 80GB PS3 with one containing a 120GB to 160GB hard drive. The company will supposedly still offer two versions of the PS3 and keep the same pricing scheme.
When current supplies of the 80GB PS3 run out, that will probably be when Sony strikes with the new PS3. It seems just a little strange to offer 40GB and 160GB versions of the PS3. Which is a huge difference in storage space. It would make more sense to offer an 80GB version, phase out the 40GB and offer the choice of an 80GB or 160GB version.
ArsTechnica claims that the “reliable inside source” is “right almost every time” and there is little reason to doubt that this is what’s going to happen.
Sony is phasing out the 80GB PS3, this is certain, it still doesn’t make sense if the rumor is true but Sony doesn’t have to make sense.
The source also claims that the Spider Man 3 PS3 bundle will disappear. The replacement pack is rumored to be the 120GB or 160GB PS3 with a Dual-Shock 3 controller.
Sony may be well on its way to overtaking the Xbox 360 if these plans pan out. Combine the Xbox 360s somewhat unreliable hardware, lack of WiFi or built-in HD playback and the PS3 looks like a real winner, not to mention that it’s the cheapest Blu-Ray player on the market. Blu-Ray player, gaming console, free online service, media device and the thought of a 160GB hard drive just makes it all the more tempting.
Microsoft had a good run, but it’s time to pass the crown to someone else. Hello Sony, old friend, it’s good to have you back.
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January 28th, 2008
How in the name of all thats holy is this a killing blow? And why does it matter so much to you, Jonathan Schlaffer?
January 28th, 2008
It’s a killing blow because Blue ray is selling 90% to 10% HD DVD. So that war is over. Xbox 360 just has a DVD drive inside, so content can’t be delivered any larger than that for games, where as the PS3 will have the technical growth to have a 200gig capacity, theoretically speaking if you look at the tech specs. the Playstation network is free and Xbox 360 is not. The PS3’s lowest common denominator in terns of the cheapest PS3 out there still has a hard drive which means developers can develop games to rely on the hard drive for speed of caching. The Xbox 360 lowest common denominator does not, which means all games have to be built without using the hard drive. PS3 has Wi Fi, PS3 has 8 processors, Xbox 360 only has 2. For every 6000 Xbox 360 that break, one PS3 breaks (source: Playstation on blast podcast). I can keep going if you still need to hear more about how the PS3 is superior over the xbox360 in so many ways. Also one final note, if you have never played a PS3 exclusive game like Uncharted Drakes fortune, you can see some huge differences in game quality, I mean huge!!! Oh and where is the HDMI 1.3a output on the 360 for High Def TV’s? PS3 has this built in.
January 28th, 2008
PLAYSTATION 3 will destroy Xbox 360 so bad everyone is sending their Xbox to Microsoft cuzz is dead.
January 28th, 2008
@espostal your an idiot.
If ps3 has 8 processors then you can say 360 has 6 processors since you count spus as processors I’ll count dual thread on every core of 360 as a processor, which would ad up to 6. Also sony has 7 spus and not 8. the 8th one is in case one of the other spus fails so at any given time there are only 7.
Ye blu-ray may have more space on them but the drive is slow, hence a lot of games “install” the content on ps3 hdd eg: DMC 4, 5 gigs on hdd, oblivion 4.5gigs through out the game.
The reason psn is free is because no one would pay for that rubbish at this stage, when you can play music within games (something you forgot to mention), chat to your friends playing different game and invite people from within the game you can start comparing free psn to xbl.
The other point is that playstation is well established brand and even if ps3 will outsell 360 eventually, it’s still a major blow to sony due to how well 360 is doing.
January 28th, 2008
What a joke.
Microsoft were smart to seperate the 360 from the format wars in case their format lost out. You peopl are just sony fanboys who want death to everything msoft
January 28th, 2008
Your retort is such an ignorant diatribe that I am a little speechless. I truly don’t want to take it any further than that, rant away.
January 28th, 2008
17 million Xboxes to about 7 million PS3 sales, fanatistic LIVE and a massive attach rate, better games, better graphics, a 60 fps versus 30 for PS3 and the winner will always be Xbox360
January 28th, 2008
I have both systems and am not a fan boy of either system so I say this article is crap. I love the PS3 actually more. This means nothing. to the guy who gave the blu-ray statistics, DVD out sells both by a considerable margin, so your statistics mean crap. I am a capitalist and want to see both do well and would like to see game prices come down more than a 160gb ps3.
January 28th, 2008
@Mike:
It’s true that Microsoft has been selling more units, but as for this 60 fps versus 30 fps, never forget that since PS3 has complex hardware which has to be studied, it takes time to get the best speed possible when developing games. Don’t forget Microsoft’s head start, giving people more time to study the hardware. I do not doubt that by next year, if not this year, PS3 framage will exceed XBox 360 framage.
January 28th, 2008
If Sony overtakes MS I doubt it’ll be because of this move. Not many people are going to care about a larger harddrive.
I also doubt Sony will surpass MS this year since it’s killer exclusives are still well out on the horizon. Some aren’t even guaranteed for this year.
January 28th, 2008
This is not about blu ray vs HD dvd. This not about hard drive capacity. Do you realize there is a gaming system out there that doesn’t even display games in HD? Its called the WII. THe factor that is going to cause one system to beat the other is price and games. 360 is in a position to drop price far below the PS3 and slightly below the WII. As long as the 360 can keep cranking out the games and keep the price down its not going anywhere.
January 28th, 2008
epostal - check your facts. you single handidly made ps3 fans look like ignorant zealouts. EIGHT processors? really? LOL
January 28th, 2008
ps, epostal… if the ps3 was really superior, it wouldn’t be struggling with framerates to match the 360’s graphics ie; Madden, COD4, etc, etc, etc… i think you and john should be good friends. the blind leading the blind. the ps3 was not, nor was it ever claimed to be, designed as a game console as it’s paramount consideration. Even Kuturagi stated, “we’ve never once called it a game machine”….. i think epostal is a great example of why children and the ‘net should not be left unattended… unfortunately for sony, this is also proof that ps3 fans are typically children w/o the means to blow $500 on a bluray player, leading to their last place this generation and sinking farther everyday. see? we ALL can be fanboys…
January 28th, 2008
Note to feed reader: Never check this site again. Unmitigated fanboy at the helm.
January 28th, 2008
How many “Killing Blows” can you have? I though once something’s dead, it’s dead?
January 28th, 2008
microsoft only have a “virtual crown”
it really deserve nothing, after they refuse a xbox 360 recall, knowing they ship unreliable hardware
January 28th, 2008
Killing blow? How is getting a larger hard drive a killing blow? And how many more SKUs are Sony going to release anyway?
Thanks but no thanks, I prefer my 360. It is cheaper, has more AAA exclusives, majority of multi platform games are better and has the best online service. By the way, I have had for 1.5 years and has never had a problem, so your atricle has yet another hole in it.
PS3 has to do a LOT to impress me enough to get one. At the moment I can’t see the value in getting one.
January 28th, 2008
first of all look at all the SKU’s microsoft has from the arcade to the elite….come on you can’t really knock sony for putting out sku’s, and what ever happened to all the naysayers back a year ago that kept saying the playstations already dead from the get go. sorry but the ps3 is gaining ground and gets better and better. I seriously can’t even take people seriously that bitch about how the ps3 has all these media advantages over the 360 but too bad they don’t focus on games. Games are coming, and they’ve been coming out over time just like the 360 did, I own all 3 systems, the wii only gets playtime when my friends are over, i’d rather play cod4 than halo on my ps3 since i got the rrod a week before halo3 came out, and suprisingly i got it again last week. All my assumptions about how the ps3 will only get better and better and bluray on top have pretty much been dead on. I like all 3 platforms but in the long run i still feel the ps3 will be on top
January 28th, 2008
@Mike. the ps3 is more than capable of handling games like the 360 and beyond. GT5 will be running at 1080p at 60fps AND with 16 cars on track. Dont blame the hardware blame the devs which are now startig to understand the ps3.
January 28th, 2008
OK lets see xbox has Gears of War, Bioshock, Halo 3, and Mass Effect should I go on. Let’s see the best games on PS3 are Call of Duty 4, Assassins Creed, and Rock Band, oh wait 360 has those also not to mention a far superior version of Madden.
The only exclusive that matters that PS3 has is MGS4. Konami has stated that they need MGS to sell 1 million copies its first week otherwise they will not meet their budget numbers. Look it up COD4 still hasn’t busted 1 million units on PS3 and its the best selling game of the holiday season, so figure that one out.
January 28th, 2008
one funny point is that microsoft maybe paying sony to use blu ray lol if blu ray does win they may well just add the drive inside their next console after all of their negative comments in the past.
January 28th, 2008
“one funny point is that microsoft maybe paying sony to use blu ray lol if blu ray does win they may well just add the drive inside their next console after all of their negative comments in the past.”
Sony owns the Blu-ray format. Microsoft is supporting Toshiba’s dying HD DVD format. Sony wins, Microsoft loses (again).
I don’t care what the attach rate for the 360 is. Xbox 360 still has unreliable hardware.
You’d think that after 2 and a half years on the market, Microsoft would have all the 360’s hardware problems fixed, but no. All they did was extend the warranty by a few years. Just work out the hardware problems (overheating, RRoD, etc.) and I might consider buying one.
January 28th, 2008
HD DVD vs. Blu Ray is a different topic, but ironic how similar the battle is.
Microsoft provides the software for HD DVD which is why they backed it, and Sony of course invented Blu Ray. HD DVD as a format is superior in many ways, its cheaper to produce for one, discs are more scratch resistant, and the software behind it is far beyond Blu Ray, Blu Ray only beats HD DVD in terms of capacity. Funny how that format is won the same way the next gen videogame system war is won, its not about anything but who has the titles. Blu Ray has the best studio support just as Xbox has the best third party support.
January 28th, 2008
It would be ironic if MS had to pay Sony for BR…would it be as funny as Sony paying MS to use rumble in their controllers? <–They do, in case you were wondering…Would it be as funny as Sony paying MS to use their VC-1 codec to make BR look as good as HDDVD? <–They do that, too, in case you were wondering about that. A hard drive isn’t going to make or break anyone…if Sony were smart, they’d be making better developmental tools to help get their games up to 360 standards.
January 28th, 2008
I am tired and sick of hearing people saying PS3 is more powerful, because it is NOT. According to the real developers who are doing the coding for games and academic researchers, the Cell processor has serious design flaw in its architecture that reaching its ‘full potential’ is almost impossible. The graphic card on the PS3 is inferior, and guess what, the BlueRay ROM reads slower too, no wonder new PS3 needs more hard drive space because in order to get acceptable in game loading time, you have to “pre-install’ games for certain PS3 games.
PS3 came out 1 year later doesn’t mean it is more advanced, since the delay was due to blue ray diode shortage. Taking out the storage media, PS3 AT BEST is on par with 360.
January 28th, 2008
Actually, it’s not ironic at all. Sony pays a company called Immersion royalties for using rumble (as does Microsoft and Nintendo).
And even though Microsoft is currently allied with Toshiba’s hd-dvd coalition, it has no financial benefit to hd-dvd winning other than toshiba using its hd-i software in creating the discs and features. Microsoft can just as easily provide a blu-ray add-on device for those wanting to use their 360 as a br player.
I agree with previous commenters that I don’t really see how a $500 160Gb ps3 would be the killing blow to the 360. Sounds like hyperbole to strum up traffic to this blog, which apparently worked. Now if PS3 were able to drop their 40Gb sku to $299 (though that seems unlikely), that could be a killer blow, given Bluray’s seeming victory.
But to those Sony fanboys insistent on shouting out those superior technical specs of the PS3 vs. the 360, please back it up by buying games for your fancy machine. As it is, 360 owners are clearly buying and playing many more games on their console despite having inferior technology and an expensive online service. And fyi, I’m a 360 owner looking to buy a ps3 exclusively to play BR movies, since conveniently, every other BR player is ridiculously expensive.
January 28th, 2008
Stop looking into your crystal ball and assuming that the PS3 will eventually start outperforming the 360 graphically. We already know that the PS3 is some sort of super computer able to leep tall buildings in a single cycle, it just doesn’t look good doing it. It must be kryptonite holding it back. I tell you in 2009, 2010 or so when they finally get that kryptonite out you’ll see PS3 will r0×0r 360.
January 28th, 2008
Killing blow?
You have not explained yourself verry clearly. Do average consumers really care what size the HDD is? If they even know enough about what HDD space is used for, they should already know they can get another HDD for their PS3.
Now, I think that most people agree that PS3 will eventually outsell the X360, but doubling the HDD space may not be the big catalyst, just another small reason.
January 28th, 2008
i agree with bdev.. i mean a bigger hdd does nothing. what gamers want is better games until sony brings more AAA tittles nothing is going to change..ms with their hardware problems sony should be able to sell a lot more ps3 units than they currently at the momment also blyray have virtually won the format war.. it all comes down to software sells hardware… just imagine how many xbox360 ms would sell if they dont have these hardware problems, u can say sony is pretty lucky this generation console because they are still in the game..
January 29th, 2008
@ BDev.
I respectully dissagree with some of your points. Sony does not pay M$ anything for rumble or “force feedback”. Immersion owns that Intellectual Property and yes Microsoft pays licensing fees to Immersion to use Immersions rumble technology. Immersion and Sony are co-developing a next-gen tactile rumble technology, as well as new tech with Microsoft. Microsoft thought they had exclusive rights to license and decided to file a lawsuit against Immersion for entering into a joint venture to codevelop new rumble tech. If you have facts to the contrary, please post the.
As far as Blu-Ray and HD-DVD video codecs go, VC-1 is one of a few video codecs that is supported by both major High Definition optical disc formats. Most Blu-Ray movies are actually high bit-rate Mpeg2. Not only that, i can’t think of ONE BD Movie disc that uses VC-1, I own 40 Blu-ray movies and 60 HD-DVD movies… BD-Movies I own use Mpeg2 or AVC, aka Mpeg 4, which happens to be a close cousin to Quicktime (Apple owned). So again, with all do respect you’re wrong.
Immersion Facts (links):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_v._Sony
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/116859.asp
Blu-Ray & HD-DVD Facts (i decided to use an independent source, like above, but the same info is also found on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray Association’s website):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_high_definition_optical_disc_formats
If i am wrong, please provide links to back up what you’re saying and I will gladly accept new factual knowledge.
January 29th, 2008
to all your fan boys out there.. One thing sony does not pay MS for rumble controlls, and MS PAYS sony for GETTING THE RIGHTS TO GET GTA 4 remember I think they cough up like 30million for that game..
According to one of Microsoft’s lead marketing guys, Jeff Bell, Microsoft has been in talks with Blu-ray for a long time now. With what he’s said, it sort of sounds like Microsoft is a bit concerned over the Warner Bros switch, even though they don’t really say it directly.
Jeff had this to say about the situation, “We’ve been talking to Blu-ray all along because we have the best piece of software in the business, called HDi. It is the backbone that powers interactivity in HD-DVD and we have that available to potentially partner with others,” also during his conversation with 1up, he also had this to say. “You never say never. I think we’d like to see how things evolve. Our commitment, however, to HD-DVD is profound and consistent, and we have done very, very well in term of our accessory sales.”
Obviously Microsoft still qualifies Paramount, DreamWorks, and Universal as prime supporters for the HD DVD format, but how long do they feel this will stay concrete? The possibility of both Paramout and DreamWorks jumping ship are very high, as is the opportunity for Universal to back both formats with their decision to not renew their exclusive contract.
This could only mean good things for the Blu-ray format, as expanding your market in any area is only going to do well. Even if it means an add-on for the rival console on the market, it would eventually help put an end to the format war and finally get Blu-ray supporters the entire list of movies released.
January 29th, 2008
espostal,
The PS3 has a 1 core processor and the xbox 360 has a 3 core processor. You may be referring to the SPE’s which are NOT cores. Yes, the ps3 has 8 of those, but they are again, NOT cores. They dont’ carry out the same functions and are not able to do so due to certain technical limitations in the cell broadband design. As for the blu-ray being able to be 200 gig discs, while you are correct it is HIGHLY unlikely. The cost to manufacture these in mass production would be way too high. Infact, a 25 gig blu-ray disc will cost you about 13 bucks and double that for a double layer. This is a single disc we are talking about. Can you imagine what a game on a 200 gig blu-ray disc would cost? More to the point, I wonder what they would do with 200 gigs of space. Oblivion on the xbox 360 / ps3 was 80 hours of gameplay. that was squeezed into less than 8.5 gigs of space with amazing graphics and a massive level. Not saying there’s no use, but i just can’t think of a practical use for 200 gigs on 1 game. Maybe a collection? Like the ubisoft collection, however, you’d pay license costs for every one of the games included + the manufacturing costs of the disc itself and even if they cut you a deal, do you think it would be anything less than 150 -250 dollars? Let’s now try to pull our heads out of our… you get the idea.
January 29th, 2008
Id say the only Killing-blow is Sony losing an almost 80% market share with PS2 to what is it now - <30%?
Bwahahaha!!!
This gen is over, Sony may eventually gain some ground in 2009-2010, but by then Nintendo and Msoft will be on to bigger and better things and PS3 will look like a joke.
January 29th, 2008
Erm, i thought it was Immersion who had the rumble technology? Thats why there was the hugh case against Sony? I didn’t think Sony had to pay Microsoft, why would they, the had rumble in the ps1 and ps2 pads, way b4 MS had brought out their xbox?? help? :S
January 29th, 2008
360 Fanboy here,
Um thats nice and all, but once MS drops its HD add on support and goes the route of the PS2/Wii (cheap game playing machine only) the’ll start to blow out the 360s again.
With the largest library of games to choose and some of the best games and say with a $199 price point for the HDD 360 with wirless controler and a few games…any momentum sony grabs any time soon will all go bye bye…
Sony will never get withing 5 million units of the 360 world wide…ever. Although, I will be bying one…I mean, I do need an High Def movie player I suppose.
January 29th, 2008
WTF is the reporter and some of you fans smoking. There is no way, that adding a bigger hard drive to the ps3, is going to kill the 360.
Xbox definatly has the better games and I will gladly pay the $50 a year for xbox live. It is a far superior service that the playstation network. always remember people you get what you pay for. and the ps network definatly sucks.
And for you Sony fanboy morons, if you could get past your blind loyalty to sony and stop sucking them off, and actually did your homework. You would realize that HDDVD is by far the superior format, consumer friendly, cheaper, has way more special features than almost any bluray dvd couterpart.
Look at the movie 300 on bluray, hddvd, and dvd. The HDDVD version has almost 2x the amount of features that what bluray features. Could bluray do these special features? Perhaps, but early adopters of bluray will be left out and will have to purchase a newer unit that supports these features.
Bad reporting in this article, clearly mr. johnathan, has no idea that games and online networks sell consoles. You sony fanboys are just like the NRA. Need more size in your gunz and computers to make up for what’s lacking in your pants.
January 29th, 2008
Until Sony has a comparable online presence like XBOX Live then they will not kill the 360.
January 29th, 2008
@BDev
True point. its all business at the end of the day. Its just like sony are using windowns on their PC’s. About the consoles, the ps3 is a better console with complex development tools. the devs just need to work harder. the same was said about the ps2.
January 29th, 2008
Xbox 360s somewhat unreliable hardware, lack of WiFi or built-in HD playback and the PS3 looks like a real winner, not to mention that it’s the cheapest Blu-Ray player on the market.
360 is Pretty reliable in most cases, Besides the playstation itself doesn’t break really, it just starts scratching the cd’s
I never been one for WI-Fi especially for gaming were that lag can kill you.
the 360 plays back in HD by itself, just not from CD’s
Microsoft didn’t screw them selfs with the 360 imagine what would have happen if they stuck a HD drive in it. If BlueRay lost image what would have happen to yet another one of sony’s products that uses yet another sony formate(just cause they win blueray doesn’t mean that they didn’t sacrafice alot for it.) the company dam near when bankrupt from there ps3.
Sony pretty much gambled there entire corporation on BluRay and it had to win no matter what or sony would have probally gone out of buisness.
January 29th, 2008
8 processors you have no idea what you are talking about. it has 7 spe’s which are not processors. secondly the ps3 cannot compress data properly, that is why resistance fall of man is taking like 40 gigs of space on the blue ray disc. the last and final thing i have to say about the ps3 inferiority is the gpu is pure trash and in no way comes close to the 360’s. the 360 also has 3 processors not 2, just like you said i can go on and on with this. with that being said i love both my ps3 and my 360, hopefully this will be a better year for the ps3. the hardware does not count for much if there isnt any software to go with it.
January 29th, 2008
@ Xyberviri
HA HA HAAAAAAA!!!!
I was literally rofl after reading you post!
What is wrong with you man?
I am going to address your issues one by one…
1) The PS3 scratches cd’s???!! WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT????? It has a slot-loading drive. I don’t even think it’s possible for it to scratch discs unless the laser assembly gets MAJORLY knocked out of whack. Reality check: if you hit the PS3 hard enough to do that, your laser assembly would be the least of your worries…
2) Wifi is incredibly useful to a lot of people. EVERYBODY I know who has a PS3, a 360 OR a Wii uses Wifi to connect them. Including myself, that is like 24 consoles. And Wifi has ZERO effect on the speed of games. Wireless-G, the virtual consumer standard, (95% or more use it, EVERYTHING made in the last 5 years supports it) has a maximum theoretical bandwith of ~54Mb/s. The fastest connection speed I have ever seen advertised ANYWHERE is Verizon FIOS; the premium package has 30Mb/s (and costs 140$/month). In any case, most people, including me, have around 5Mb/s max, less than 10% of Wireless-G’s capacity.
3) I am assuming you are saying that the 360 can play HD content from it’s HDD and the PS3 can’t. Sorry, you’re wrong. I am a connoisseur of high-def movie and game trailers, and I have ~15min of them on my PS3’s HDD right now. It plays them back better than my 2.00 GHz dual-core computer running Windows Vista Home Premium with 2.00 GB RAM, without Aero on to conserve resources (and make the comparison fair for my poor comp….). Even if hook my computer directly into the TV I have my PS3 hooked into, (a 32in 1080i LCD) I still like the PS3 better.
Just in case you go into it, the PS3 plays Blu-ray’s and DVD’s very well too. I have one Blu-ray movie, Night at the Museum. I also have the special edition DVD release of the same movie. (In early 2007, they didn’t release much bonus stuff in HD) The DVD looks much better in the PS3 than in our regular DVD player, but it pales in comparison the the Blu-ray version. I have never seen a DVD or HD DVD playing on an Xbox 360, all I’m saying is that the PS3 plays HD and SD equally well from both discs and it’s hard drive.
4) If you think Sony is the only company supporting Blu-ray, here is a list of the major corporations backing Blu-ray. There are more, but these sit on the Board of Directors of the Blu-ray Disc Association:
Apple Inc.
Dell Inc.
Hewlett-Packard Company
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics
Mitsubishi Electric
Panasonic (Matsushita Electric)
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems
TDK Corporation
Thomson SA
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group / Buena Vista Home Entertainment
Warner Home Video Inc.
5) Sony nearly went bankrupt because of the PS3, huh? According to this, http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/2007/qfhh7c00000d7poh-att/SonyAR07-01.pdf , in fiscal year 2007, Sony had a NET income of 126.33 BILLION yen, which is ~$1.07 billion USD. Yeah, they’re almost bankrupt…
man, if you’re gonna flame the PS3, at least do it with some semblance of believability.
January 29th, 2008
@ Sinn1
Well, you’re right about an SPE not being the same as an extra processor, but if a dev knows what they’re doing (Sony does, the others are learning…) each SPE can be as good as an another processor. i.e. if you program it right, the Cell can act as one eight-core processor (or 6-core, since one is claimed by the OS, and another is a back-up…)
As far as the GPU, after reading the tech specs on Wikipedia, (wading through thousands of feet of technical mud) I came to the conclusion that they are damn close, if not equal.
The Xenon has better polygon and shading capabilities, but the RSX has better and more flexible access to it’s main (and more powerful) CPU (the Cell). That said, the differences are, imho, trivial. i.e. they could easily be overcome on both sides bytweaking . And no, the RSX is NOT crap. http://anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2417&p=4 Sorry.
I honestly don’t know where you got that the PS3 CAN’T compress stuff.
1) As far as I know, NO PS3 game has yet used a dual-layer Blu-ray Disc, which means that they are ALL smaller than 25GB, so obviously Resitance could not have been 40GB.
2) The reason PS3 games use so much more space than 360 games is because devs HAVE to use a disc with at 25GB and they are used to using a disc with 4.7GB. Heavenly Sword famously used over 10GB on audio alone. You know why? Because the devs had so much space they dodn’t know what to do with it. So they put ALL the audio in a semi-RPG game in a derivative of linear PCM. Not MP3, not AAC, not any other compressed format. Linear PCM is commonly known as WAV, which takes ~634MB for an hour of speech @ 44100Hz. (I know… I used to record stuff before the lame_enc encoder went public…)
So it’s not that the PS3 CAN’T compress stuff, it’s just that as of right now, there’s is simply no point.
I do have to agree that all this doesn’t matter, the games do. However, you have to admit it IS fun to argue about all this….
January 29th, 2008
My 360 was the most expensive paperweight I ever bought.
January 29th, 2008
Wow talk about bias.
January 29th, 2008
‘My 360 was the most expensive paperweight I ever bought.’
Buy some games for it, it’ll change your world…
January 30th, 2008
how is a ridiculously large hadr drive a “killing blow” most 360 owners have a 20 gig hard drive and manage just fine. I have the 360 premium and have no regrets involving hard drive space. Nice try sony.
January 30th, 2008
This is some pathetic journalism. The PS3 is not suffering in sales because of the hard drive size, it’s because it doesn’t have enough good content. I own an Xbox 360 at the moment and, in time, when the PS3 has some decent games, I’ll buy one of those too.
January 30th, 2008
http://xboxer.tv/2008/01/superiority_through_statistics.html
ps3 fanboy will love this. Im sure all those people are going to be switching to the ps3 because it has a bigger hard drive.
p.s. Can I please somehow nominate this article and it’s author Jonathan Schlaffer for the lamest news article of all time?
January 31st, 2008
@spencerklk
Number one, that is an Xbox fanboy website, so it may be just a little biased.
Number two, that graph is of the TOTAL SOFTWARE SALES for each console IN NORTH AMERICA since the console’s INCEPTION.
So, I personally would skew the PS3 graph up by five because even though I only have one PS3, I have five PS3 games.
And yes, I think all PS3 fanboys will love it because you are using a North American software graph to promote the idea that the PS3’s HARDWARE is selling poorly worldwide. (which it isn’t.)
You guys (Xbox fanboys) are total morons. Just freaking READ the article THEN (and only then) make a flame post. That way, it isn’t OBVIOUS you’re a moron. Duh.
February 7th, 2008
the ps3 is going to come out on top in 2008.
developers are starting to understand cell. the
multiplatform framerate issues are almost gone
COD4 and assassins creed look just as good on ps3 as 360. blu ray has won the hi-def war.
And 2008 ps3 will have lots of excellent exclusive games MGS4, killzone 2 (halo killer halo 3 was shit compared to cod4) little big planet,Haze (another halo killer) next final fantasy, Gran turismo 5 ( best racing game franchise ever), tekken 6, resistance 2 ( if the first resistance was on xbox you xbox fanboys would say it was good because it is but no because it’s on ps3 it must be crap to you lot) , motorstorm 2 ( first one had 2nd best graphics ever crysis was 1st and motorstorm was a excellent game) , socom
confrontation and playstation home will be a much better online service than xbox live. I’ts over for xbox in 2008
February 8th, 2008
I don’t agree with the article. I do however think it will help increase sales some and keep the ps3 rolling along this year. Sales for the system will continue to rise and Sony will really start to catch up when all the bigtime exclusives and third party titles hit this year. With Metal Gear Solid 4, Little Big Planet, Home, Killzone 2, Resistence 2, Final Fantasy XIII, and Grand Theft Auto 4 just to name a few bigtime exclusives on their way will likely bring over a large portion of all those ps2 owners waiting to make the leap into the next gen. Also with bluray basically locking up the next gen dvd war that is another thing that will help drive sales from a movie standpoint as well. So when you get gamers and movie goers alike both starting to buy this system your gonna see a big boom in sales.
As for microsoft they have done really well in the first couple years and i think they have reached their peak when halo 3 hit the system I think sales for this system will still be well into 2008 but once 2009 rolls around i see a decline in sales for the system and possible the next system iteration coming out in fall 2010 likely xbox720. One thing that has killed microsoft is the flaw in the design of the 360. The failure rate is unacceptable even with the extended 3 year warranty. That is the main reason i have held off buying one. I am waiting on a new chipset to be introduced fixing the problem with RROD. I honestly don’t see how anyone could put up with replacing anymore than one system. I just don’t get how they can keep supporting a flawed system by design and get raked over the coals buying all the addons such as hd-dvd drive, wifi adapter, battery packs, xbox live gold, and so forth and so on. Why not just buy a all in one device that has no issues and has all that wrapped up into one package for a way cheaper price overall.
Also alot of you people posting are blind fanboys one way or the other twisting facts and out right stating wrong facts. There is a difference between opinion and blindly saying stuff out of hatred for one system or the other.
February 19th, 2008
As a neutral party shopping for both consoles, I find it really funny to read all the X-box 360 users getting sooooo offended at the idea that Ps3 actually makes sense to buy finally. for all the crybaby ‘fanboy’ complaints, take a look at yourselves, the x-box 360 babies are the worst..and the majority of the fanboys here by far
February 25th, 2008
I own both systems and have no regrets. I love that the ps3 doubles as my blu-ray player. I don’t mind that my HD DVD player is a separate unit from my 360. Both do the job, and as an avid movie buff I must have both formats so I can watch any movie I want, not just those from a certain studio. But watching HD movies is not the main reason most people buy a 360 or ps3. Most do so for games, and I do have to admit that I’ve been disappointed with the ps3 as a gaming machine. Not because games are inferior (I loved Uncharted, just as I loved Bioshock and Gears) but simply because there are not enough of them yet. And this, I think, was Sony’s big mistake.
Its clear that devs are taking longer to learn to take full advantage of of the core architecture, of that there can be no argument. And yes, I believe that in time many devs will improve, and soon the ps3 will be living up to expectations. But here’s the bigger problem. Devs have been programming for the pc for decades. Is the pc suddenly going to go the route of the core? No. So think about it in terms of numbers. Out of every 10 talented devs out there, do you honestly think all 10 are going to spend the time and energy to become equally proficient at designing for the core? I can’t see that happening, which isn’t good news for Sony. Yes there will be some, probably even a majority. Make up your own numbers as you like….3 out of 10, 5 out of 10….even if it were 9 out of 10, what about that 10th dev? Or, on a larger scale, that 10% of devs out there. It seems only logical to me that there will always be slightly more talent working with the standard pc/360 architecture than with the core. And that, my friends, means a higher number of quality games for the pc/360 than the ps3.
Again (for you damn fanboys) the ps3 will have many great games. But I truly believe there will always be a slight edge in the number of great games for the pc/360. I think this point has to be made. Any true gamer should really stop and think about that, especially those on a tight budget trying to decide on a single gaming machine. Enough of the “this particular game on the 360 beats that particular game on the ps3″ or vice versa. When it comes to exclusive titles, some are better than others, that will always be the case. This month it may be ps3, next month the 360. But stop basing your arguments on the next month or even the next 12 months. I do believe that over the lifespan of each console, when you total all those great games up, the numbers will tilt in the PC/360’s favor. It may not be by much, but to those on the fence about which system to buy right now, I would give that some thought.
The only other point I would make, and I’m sorry this one is against Sony as well, is that these consoles will NOT last 10 years. Believe that if you want to, but it was a line both company’s fed us to make it seem like the seemingly steep price of either console was worth it. No one ever sold units by saying, “this beauty will be top of the line…for the next 3-4 years…then you’ll probably want to by our next next-gen console.” Think about it. Do you even want the same tech in your gaming rig for 10 years straight? Not me. And if they do stay true to their word, then 5 years from now both my consoles will be gathering dust because PC will completely own again. Especially since PCs hook up to just about any HD TV now. There goes the advantage consoles had about playing on my big screen rather than sitting hunched over my monitor at my damn desk. So, if new consoles are released in 5 years (just a guess) do you even think Sony is going to stick with the core architecture again? Not I. And assuming they don’t, and other devs see it this way as well, then learning to become truly proficient with the core doesn’t make a whole lot of since for everyone, as it may not even be around in 5 years. Think about it. People work for 30-40 years of there life on average, and to some its just not worth it to learn a whole new way of doing things if its not really going to matter 5 years from now.
Now fanboys can go ahead an flame away, but for once I ask you to actually think before you do…and then actually counter any argument I’ve made. But my suggestion, if you can, save up for both systems so you don’t ever, ever have to become a flaming fanboy.
February 25th, 2008
I wouldn’t be that proud of the free PSN. Yes, I gladly pay a yearly fee for Xbox live, because its worth it. Just as millions of people pay a monthly fee for WOW and other MMO’s, despite the availability of free mmo’s out there. Why? Because that money we all pay goes to something….its called production costs. When there is no money coming in to support further production, then there is little to no advancement. Which is the case with PSN. Its still as sad today as the day it launched, with no improvement in site. Xbox live on the other hand started great, and has improved steadily. Why? Because you get what you pay for. There is no such thing as a free ride, if you haven’t learned that, then you need to set down your controller for a 5 minutes and actually step outside into the real world….point made.
February 25th, 2008
I just wanted to return to this post and confirm that I was right again. The High Def War is over and my testimonial at the top of this page holds true. If you search for my ‘espostal ps3′ in Google, you can see all my other predictions.
March 12th, 2008
The ignorance of the general public to choose a crappy format (bluray) over a high quality format (HD-DVD) is just sad . “best-buy in ft smith ark has forts of dusty ps3’s they cannot give away ” so people can’t convince me of how well ps3 is doing . Wii cannot be found still selling faster than can be stocked . 360’s are still moving . go figure.
May 7th, 2008
this artical is laughable, does this guy even game?
THe PS3 will never overtake the 360 in the US and Sony STILL lies about the PS3 numbers. Today Sony said that PS3 online subscriptions are reaching 8 million,. . 8 million?. . . hmm. . if Sony online is free, and they claim that over 11 million are out there, shouldn’t more people be hooked up? It just doesn’t add up, they’re fudging the numbers, . . as usual
June 9th, 2008
for the person that stated that HD dvd’s are more scratch resistant then blue ray your wrong HD dvd’s are the same resistance as a normal dvd blue ray has a coding on it that makes it hard to scratch. get your facts right before talking.
June 9th, 2008
and blue ray will go down in price now that it won the war. so price is not a problem. the price has already dropped significantly within months.
June 20th, 2008
PS3 has hardly any advantages because the online play is shitty comapred to the 360 that’s why it’s free they canceled their best system which is still the 60gb ps3 the game saves take up 3-4 gigs worth of space on ps3 on the 360 the highest i saw which was on gears of war 2 was 8mb k? ps3= shity lineup of games,
2.)horrible online play
3.)slow ass blu-ray player
if th eblu-ray playe ris the only reason ur buyin the system u might as well not talk much about the system since it’s top priority wasn’t a great new dvd player with alot of space but the next big gaming machine. And for those of u who say it will have the best lineup of games what is the ps3 going to have in 2008 besides GTA4 and MGS4 those are obvious.The 360 has gears of war 2 which is much better than resistance: fall of man 2 we also on the 360 have, too human, star wars the force unleashed like u guys beut we also hae older games that are better than ps3 titles like crackdown, for 1 and far cry and saints row, no ps3 wont win this year unless its a miracle, sorry but microsoft is not giving up any crown. on launch date th xb360 launched simultaneously in 150 countries the ps3 had launched in japan 1st anfd aweek later in usa and months later everywhere else. Xbox live is a lot more rich than the playstation network and the 50 bucks u spend on it are well worth the service u get unlike sony’s PSN who never takes their online plays seriously thats why all my friends on xbox live never play their ps3 online because playstation 3 online sucks an dmany times disconnects you(or used to).
But when all is said and done and th epros and cons from both systems have finishe dtheir statements its reaaly up to you and what you prefer not what friends or peer pressure tells you to do. So go out there and buy what you like best and think you will get the most for your money no twhat you read somewhere or overheard some guy saying or some some video.
The ps3/xbox 360/wii all have their advantages and drawbacks. No system is ever going to be perfect regardless of what it offers because the always be someone who opposes it and wants something else and thats how wars of any kind start with opposittion. But go out there and buy what u like best thats the best advice i can give u without persuading you into buying what i personally like the msot which is the xbox 360. and ps3 for all those older titles and mgs4.
Well good-bye i probably ont visit here again since i found this place randomly.
July 25th, 2008
Slow blu ray disc sales in the US is very comical . DVD still ahead it seems with a simple google search. Doesnt matter how many companies back a product if the public isn’t convinced it’s “DOOMED”.
Wal-mart posted instore sign for people to send the ps3’s back to sony for refunds . This is really getting sad .
blu ray sales dropped 40% since jan 1 08 yeah they won the battle but they lost the war .
http://oto-online.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=933&Itemid=44
August 22nd, 2008
incase you guys didnt know bioshock is officialy coming to the ps3
August 24th, 2008
Hey you know what i think. and thats all that really maters to all consumers. when companies compete we win. after alls said and done what i think we would all love love to see. Is integration and price drops. So all you fanboys ps3 and xbox alike. know which side your on.
August 29th, 2008
I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERY 1 BIGGIN UP 360 READS THIS OR SAYS THERE GRAPHICS IS BETTER first of i read sum1 said that the 360 loads quicker than ps3 thats a lie cuz i have sonic the hedgehog for ps3 and i have it for 360 and it doesnt have to be installed and the ps3 version moves better doesnt have as much glitches and better colors on top of that the xbox version of the game slows down wen to much is happenin on da screen at once while ps3s is consistantly the same smooth frame rate me personnally i say ps3 tops 360 like blu-ray tops hd dvd and ps. ms doesnt get payed for nun sony does sonys best games arnt wat dat idiot up there said gears of war is actually like uncharted but believe me or not i say uncharted is actually better cuz u get the same kind of combat menuver plus the motion sensing and u got the combat list where u can do so much diff combos ps3s ps network is free and in my opinion yes live has more content and more people online but thats cuz 360 cant go without online and i perfer psn cuz its content is at better and reasonable price over live and there service expands outside of sony unlike live and ps3 surpassed and has everything xbox has and ps3 u can invite ppl to games and talk to ppl in games and listen to music onli on games it makes sense to do it in tho xbox doesnt have a built in wireless reciever and wen you dont have internet while u’ve payed for liveur money goes to waste ps3 u get everythin but all the controls and games u want nd xbox u gotta go get the control charger, wireless reciever if u use it blu-ray witch shows better than hd dvd six-axis motion sensing and better control positioning cuz the anolog on xbox controls are opisite of wat it should b bio shocks on ps3 now gt5 gta 4 load better and shows nicer grid shows nicer and clearer sonys exclusives are its own titles unlike xbox taken banjo from nintendo as there exclusive nintendo isnt even competition in these ways but every1 goes and buys it then finds out its not as gud as the others and throws it asid unless ur playin brawl or mario kart wit ur friends
this is the real order i believe there put
Sony PlayStation 3
MicroSoft Xbox 360
Nintendo Wii
and the disc
Blu-Ray
DVD
hd dvd doesnt even get put in the markets no more onli wen it comes to 360 games and blu-ray is actually more scratch resistant then hd dvd cuz my 2 sonic games the 360 1 droped on the ground once and got 9 scratches and ps3 1 none after dropin 5 times
and tell me if im wrong wen i say this ratchet and clank uncharted mgs4 dmc4 cod4 gt5 heavenly sword SW:TFU PoP ect arnt the best games to play for the year weither there out or not cuz i kno galo is wack i have a friend who wanted it so bad then said he thinks number 2 is better than that game gears of war gud but garbage online bio shock is over rated and goina b on ps3 jus now umm wat else 4 360 ohh nun else gud and best games comin are agito XIII Versus XIII FFXIII 2 of em on ps3 1 on 360 LittleBigPlanet Is i believe most antisipated cuz ever1 wats that game PSN Home is way better than wat live is suppose to do maken u have somme avatar garbage there tryina use to copy home from psn and homes free to and its a hole online comunity it like the ps3 exclusive to the sims but way better and full online play wit ur friends and bare mini gamesnd watsoever
so 360 losses automaticly jus fanboys dont reallize wats better ps. im not a fan boy for play station i jus call it how i c it and kno it like psp being better than ds definitely the ps2 haven the best games xbox 4 graphics and a hard drive game cube same as wat wii is now a waste of money
October 13th, 2008
OH U PATHETIC LAMES HOW MANY PPL COME HERE AND ARGUE? WOW ITS NOT A SHOCK THE FACT IS YES 360 HAS DONE BETTER OVER THE YEARS NOT CUZ IT WUZ BETTER ITS JUST CUZ THEY HAD MORE MONEY N MORE PARTNERS BACKING IT UP, EVEN SO WITH IMPRESSIVE GRAFICS ON BOTH THEY STILL LOSING AGAINST A MIDIOCRE CONSOLE, THE WII. THEY HAVE OUTSOLD WORLD WIDE, I DONT EVEN LIKE WII BUT HEY THEY STILL KICKING SONY N XB360 AZZ, BUH WHO, I DONT KNO ELSE WHERE BUT HERE IN AMERICA PPL WANT CHEAP PRICED ENTERTAINMENT, MOST DONT BUY IT CUZ OF THE GRAFICS ITS THE FUN FACTOR THAT MATTERS, THEY ARENT DEVELOPERS, THEY DONT MICROSCOPE IT LIKE SOME FREAKS HERE, THEY DONT STUDY TECHNOLOGY, THEY JUST WANT SOMETHIN THEY COULD AFFORD CUZ WERE LIVING IN A CRISIS PPL, THE ECONOMY OF THE U.S. GETS WORSE BY THE YEAR, PPL WANT CHEAP PRICES THATS ALL, ESPECIALLY ON CHRISTMAS, EACH YEAR SALES ARE DROPPIN, AND WHY U ASK, CUZ PPL ARE BUYIN THE CHEAP STUFF THE SALE, SONY N XB GAMES CHARGE WAY TOO MUCH FOR THEIR GAMES, EVEN THE FREAKIN DS IS SELLIN MORE THAN PSP, WHY U ASK? CUZ THEIR GAMES ARE MORE CHEAPER, WAKE UP, ITS A VIRTUAL WORLD NOT REALITY, TOO MANY PPL ARE OBSESS WITH VIRTUALITY, LOOKS AROUND U, LOOK CLOSER CUZ U MAY THINK IM TALKIN MUMBO JUMBO BUT IM NOT, THE WAR IS COMING PPL AND NOT IN UR LIVING ROOMS BUT IN THE REAL LIFE, SO MANY PPL ARE SO IGNORANT TO THE TRUTH, PATHETIC IGNORANCE AND SIMPLE MINDS, U WILL SEE WHATS COMING FOR ALL OF U WHEN ITS HERE BUT IT BE TOO LATE FOR ALL OF U, WHO AM, JUST UR FRIENDLY WARNING, AM THE SHADOWKING.