PS3 costs Sony $3 billion - Will Nintendo Wii be only profitable console?
By Dave Parrack
Being a games console manufacturer is a tricky business, and one which by no means guarantees profits. Just ask Sega. With news that Sony has lost over $3 billion from just making and selling the PS3, and the fact that the Xbox 360 has already cost Microsoft $1 billion due to the Red Ring of Death recall, is it the case that the Nintendo Wii will be the only profitable console this generation?
Sony today published its fiscal 2008 annual report, which detailed profits and losses, risks to investors, and sales of the Playstation 3 and PSP across the territories. Overall, despite the game division seeing a 26.3% rise in fiscal year 2008, the company still made an operating loss of $1.2 billion.
More telling however was the revelation that the company lost $2.16 billion in 2007 and $1.16 billion in 2008 purely by making and selling the Playstation 3. In other words, if the console didn’t exist, those losses would never have occurred.
This is down to the simple fact that the PS3 costs more to produce than it does to buy. Although the gap between the two has been significantly reduced from launch to now, it will take a long time, and a huge amount of hardware unit sales to make the PS3 a profitable proposition for the company.
Add to that the $1 billion hit that Microsoft had to take to fix the dreaded Red Ring of Death issue that blighted so many early units of the Xbox 360, and you have a simple but very huge problem for both companies: this generation just isn’t profitable.
There is a word missing from the previous paragraph of course, that of ‘yet’, with it being entirely feasible and even probable that both consoles will make a profit before the end of their lifespans. But for now there is only one console, and one company that is making all the money: Nintendo, and the Wii.
The Wii is a different prospect from its bigger, bolder, brothers. It is affordable for consumers, and cheap to produce. While that may put the more hardcore element off going anywhere near it, it does ensure however that Nintendo were always going to be on to a winner.
If this generation’s console war were to end tomorrow, then Nintendo could quite happily walk away with a profit and move on to bigger and better things. Sony and Microsoft need the next few years to go their way or their profit and loss sheet is going to show a big, fat, negative.
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June 24th, 2008
i heard somewhere that the ps3 was supposed to breakeven earlier than expected by like november this year? but the original target was early next year? Add the inscentives of exclusive titles of this year and they could possibly reach that estimation of breaking even this year. im surprised microsoft hasnt broken even yet because of the number of sales, bt i guess RROD was a real thron in their side.
Damn nintendo.
June 24th, 2008
this can’t help the Sony cause!!!! lucky australians!!!
http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=13985
June 24th, 2008
Wow, that sucks. I guess they made the Wii so scarce for a reason.
June 24th, 2008
1. the generation isn’t over and thus too soon to call unprofitable.
2. the wii is not the only console “making money”, as the high tie in ratio and xbox live subscriptions continue to make hundreds of millions of dollars for MS and their partners.
3. the business model is called “razor-to-razorblades” for a reason.
4. please refrain from talking about the business end of gaming, dave. it’s beyond your comprehension as most things you write about.
June 24th, 2008
wow..just thought of something. the xbox (original) lost 4 billion in 4 years. the ps3 lost 3 billion in ONE year? oooo….not a good outlook for sony..
June 24th, 2008
Wii as the only profitable console sounds like pure speculation when Bach just stated the 360 will have it’s first full year of profits come July. It’s only up here from her.
June 24th, 2008
Look what happens when you don’t change a thing and just bling out a PS1 you get a Black spider man faced box the size a small car the is “Perfect” in every way for a Hard core gamer and its can out sell a small white cuboid. Kids rule the market and still adults also love little white box as much as the child.
Go to Myer(if your Posh Person(the Electronics section)) Go to target(if your a pour Guy altho They sell the same stuff normaly cheeper than Myer(the Electronics section)) Go to EB Games(need I say more) and what are they all raving about? The Wii. They Like the PS3 and the Xbox 360 but the Wii is some kind of a gift form God to them IT SELLS AND JUST WILL NOT STOP!!! Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart Wii, S.S.B.B selling and selling and selling long after release. Why not GTA? Why Not Bio-shock? Why not Haze? Why not Metal Gear Solid?
June 24th, 2008
As others have noted, I’m pretty sure the Xbox business unit is now profitable on a quarter by quarter basis. If you tally up all the money ever spent on 360 and original XBox, Microsoft is still many billions “in the hole” but things are starting to go in the right direction with losses narrowing as opposed to widening.
June 24th, 2008
I’m sure Sony was expecting a loss this year from the PS3, maybe not to this extent, but a pretty big loss.
Kall: 3 of those games you just listed are selling very well so I’m not sure what your point is.
Kev: Sony will have the PS3 around longer than 4 years, so they have time to turn this around. You like to quote Sony so I know you know this one “it’s a marathon not a sprint”. Let’s just hope they all make money so that they have competition to push them on the next console. I’m worried what kind of crap we’ll get if the 360 and PS3 don’t do well!
June 24th, 2008
This is true Microsoft did say it will reach profitability this year. So it can’t be far off until they announce that. But 3.3 Billion is a lot to come back from especially when you rack up that amount in a 1 1/2 years and it’s still getting worse. That means by the end of the year it will probably be about over 4 Billion in Losses. Well maybe the PS2 sales and Bluray sales will help keep the PS3 on life support. If bluray doesn’t do good the whole effort would have been a bust as bluray was the PS3’s trojan horse.
June 24th, 2008
Part of the problem with consoles is that its hard if not nearly impossible to measure success based on console sales. Most companies sell their consoles at a loss anyway and attempt to make it up on game sales. In that case, the Wii and XBox are vastly ahead of the PS3.
That’s one main reason why people say the games make or break the system.
June 24th, 2008
360 already made profit in the last quarter. Research !
MGS4 only made PS3 sales rise 7%, that is not a good sign. That leaves a mediocre Resistance 2 and an un-proven Little Big Planet ( I think it looks great ). Not enough to make strong sales through the rest of the year.
MS is playing dead possum right now and doing it well. 360 will have a bannar holiday with a huge price cut or two left this year, Gears 2, Halo Wars, Too Human, Fable 2 and the 4 other exlusive RPG’s coming ( 2 brand new from Square Enix ). Not to mention the new kids games coming out, a Netflix partnership and an interactive game show channel.
Almost all 3rd party games are including co-op now so that brings more people to the 360 as well. If you can afford a console then 5 bucks a month for Xbox Live is penuts.
I hope PS3 has some sleepers but I haven’t seen any yet. God of War 3 needed to be out this year, they should have forgotten about PS2 for God of War 2.
June 24th, 2008
I thought Sony already broke even on PS3…?? someone commented here (A LONG TIME AGO) that Sony already broke even… meh…
Kevin… this is their “blorge”.. they can write “wateva” they want… Freedom of speech and all that crap… you dont like it… dont come here… make your own “blorge”… Ill visit it everyday and leave some “nice graphical” spam for you and CAD… just the way CAD likes it
Plus… Id forgive dave for the “mistakes” that he makes… you spew so much crap from your mouth that his ones dont really look that bad…
I actually thought that the research time and money that Nintendo had to spend on the Wii wouldve made it unprofitable for them… looks like they’re the real winners… even with a crappy Online network and “childish and shitty” games….
Winners in turns of profit… since most of you fanboys prefer the quantity over quality…
June 24th, 2008
dwh - i think the “journalists” here also think they can write whatever they want. they do so with no basis in reality, tinged outlooks and blind fanboyism. prolly why NOONE in the gaming community ever cites this place in their articles.
wylie - yes…we all laughed at sony’s idea they would keep the ps3 around for 10 years. imagine using a NES technology (10 years old) today. ooooo…sounds like fun right? hardly….
June 24th, 2008
Kev - I know 10 years is what Sony said. However I don’t think they will wait that long to put out another system and it won’t take that long to turn a profit. However, how are the Ps2 sales going, still selling to this day. Like you’ve said so many times before they didn’t sell until the price drop. I’m not going to guess on price drops for the PS3, but it will happen. I know you hate Sony, but without the PS3 there is nothing to push M$ and vice versa. Us being consumers really should hope they both succeed!
June 24th, 2008
Microsoft started turning a profit on the 360 last year, so clearly the Wii can’t be the only profitable system this generation. Still, Nintendo’s been the only manufacturer to sell every console they’ve ever released at a profit, so as usual they’re in the best financial position.
June 24th, 2008
Wylie
Microsoft Is pushing ahead and Sony is standing by watching taking jabs and literally teitering on a KO from Microsoft. With that kind of loss PS3 will see no price cut anytime soon. If they do that they will be expanding their looses. Not only are their games doing bad but the PSP is also have a game problem as well trying to get studios to creat a game for it. The problem is that the cost has gone up and there are so many choices to make on who you will develop for. Obviously money talks and MS has shown to have the best attack rate in the industry. No one is in business to loose money so I know if I was in the game business making a game for Microsoft is top priority if you want to make a profit. Everything else is risky. I would even say the DS and the Wii is also a good place to make games as long as the 3rd party stigma goes away. With game development doing bad on the PS3 I don’t know if they will make up those looses. Don’t come with that PS3 will be the lead deveolpment in 2009 crap because Sony love to tell lies and if they are not doing it now then why wait till 2009.
June 24th, 2008
sony is losing money because the ps3 has expensive, quality tech…..but they lower the price for the customers……seriously, why would people spend 1,000 on a system……sony had to do something…..and also xbox 1 was a flop, but without 1 there wouldn’t be a 360…..its hard to believe that microsoft lost 4 billion on a LAST GEN console……and last, sony probably expected that loss because they always know things…but sony will turn it around by unleashing its abilities in the next months ahead…..sony does a great job, even with customer service(one of best)….on PS Blog, they actually answer back on comments…they are making the In-game XMB bc everyone wanted it, thats quality service
June 24th, 2008
Kev- again with the ‘fanboy’ accusations - am i wrong or am I reading an article about Sony losing $3 billion in the first two years? Gosh thats such a fanboyish thing to say :/
fact is, everyone has thier own opinion. Not one piece of ‘news’ you read wont have the smallest bit of bias. So Dave prefers the PS3 overall, who cares, he always writes about both fairly and gives credit where its due. Its just that a lot of what he writes is different to your own (valid) opinion. So you immediately call him a fanboy!
Its ridiculous. Its something you and CAD just dont get however many times people tell you. Its perfectly okay to disagree and voice your own opinion, but you two really are the definition of fanboys. If only everyone could speak about their differences like mature beings. Seems to be past yours and CAD’s ability. Shame.
June 24th, 2008
Cad : Sony is not new to this. They new when the Ps3 came out there would be huge initial losses. It was well documented when it was released that they would lose about $400 per machine sold. They have way more experience in electronics than your beloved M$, they have a plan, it’s still early for THIS console. I really would like you to explain why you want Sony to fail so badly, I know your anti-Sony, but how is them failing good for you. M$ doesn’t have a good track record when they don’t have any competition. If PS3 fails M$ will start making complete shit, trust me on that. I’m trying to keep this civil so please don’t go total Xbot on me.(you have a track record too!) lol.
June 24th, 2008
ROBB - if you think these guys write about the xbox 360 “fairly”, you’re completely out of your mind. they take EVERY chance to jab at ms and the 360, even WITHOUT merit. for instance; “geow II won’t be a hardware driver”… what a load of crap.
i just think it’s hilarious you clowns call the original xbox a “flop” because it lost ms 4 billion (a very small amount to ms) in 4 years yet the ps3 is sure to be a success when it lost sony 3 billion in ONE year. the point is; 1. sony fans have no idea how this industry works, 2. no idea what gamers really want (and it’s not blooooray), and 3. purchasing habits of gamers.
June 24th, 2008
wylie - it’s funny you guys think it’s okay that sony monopolizes this market (noone complained last gen) yet when ms is rumored to do this, it’s A CATASTROPHE. just more proof the sony boys are completely hypocritical or completely insane. bah..we know it’s both….
June 24th, 2008
eurgh same old arguements , you guys get old quick
June 24th, 2008
Wylie
First Microsoft doesn’t have a track record because xbox was the first system and when has Microsoft been in the market alone. Second History will show that the ideas present in todays consoles are because Microsoft and Nintendo. Sony only contributes in the disk drive and format area. Third, Sony know they were going to make a loss. I think not. I think they totally forgot who they were selling the console to which is gamers, and instead went on a bluray rush to win the format war and making this expensive console and then forgot it was a console and then said oh we need to get some games for this thing but first lets work on calculating tera bites for research and then lets get that online thing going that we tired in the PS2 and get Home and ohh yeah we forgot about the games again and hey lets finally pay that bill and get rumble in the controllers since we lie about the reason and it’s so last gen and Ohh we forgot about the games and the gamer again. That is why I call it the trojan horse for bluray because Sony forgot about you. Compitition is there, Sony is just to arrogant to recognize it and now there paying for it. Typical Japanese. They why Phill Harrison Left. And last I wear my Fanboyism prowd and I can say and show it and know I get something in return. Personally I would be ashamed to be a Sony Fanboy no wonder you guys don’t want to claim that lable because you show love and get nothing in return.
June 24th, 2008
as old as Solid Snake Bourne xD
“they take EVERY chance to jab at ms and the 360, even WITHOUT merit” xD THIS MADE ME LAUGH!!!!
Because I kept imagining a 12 year old boy typing these and the keyboard was filled with his tears… boo hoo… :’)
Dont be a fanboy Dave CRACK!!! Kevin will tell on you… umm.. I have to say… the reason why people dont cite this site… maybe it has to do with the fact that its Australian… so… its probable that Dave Crack doesnt go around attending Press Releases of games around America… unlike people like Gamespot and Kotaku… but sometimes they write articles I dont find on the other sites… like the one about the 360 lineup… I needed a brief overview of upcoming games…. and Gamespot takes too long to load… stupid net speed….
No problem with Microsoft Monopolising the market kevin… as long as they dont pull a Vista… OH NO!!! yes.. I went there…
June 24th, 2008
dwh - i don’t know what meds you’re on, but you really need to up-the-dose.
CAD - agreed. sony turned their backs on their gamers to try to take over the world with bluray. problem is; they forgot to tell the gamers.
June 24th, 2008
Cad: sorry to tell you this but M$ makes more than the 360. Atleast Darkwhitehair got it and you call him an idiot everychance you get. Furthermore I’m sure the Japanese can do simple math. Cost to make PS3 $1000, sell to consumers $600. Not too hard to see a $400 loss/machine. Also your Trojan Horse comparison is simply stupid. PS3 owners new what they were getting (blueray) with this console. A trojan horse is getting something you don’t know your getting (rrod). People who bought the PS3 wanted it for games & movies. You two are really getting sad with your arguements, please come back to reality!
June 24th, 2008
yes.. I am on several meds.. many of which stop me from being a stupid retarded 360 fanboy… and another which stops me from using “you need a stronger dose of meds” joke… which was made by another guy a long time ago…
yes CAD… be “proWd” of being a fanboy… and yes Sony is arrogant… they said “Nex gen isnt here till we say it”.. so what?? its like you claim that Microsoft is like a re incarnation of Jesus or something… and “typical Japanese”??? may I suggest you take part in less Klan meetings??? or maybe… not be such a dimwitted hill billy… (I apologise to the hill billies who are not racist… who may take offense to this stupid joke….)
And Microsoft ALWAYS thinks about the gamers… yes.. ALL the time… even when they were doing that deal with netflix… right after HD DVDS went dead…
June 24th, 2008
wylie - please go learn. the “trojan horse” is a strategy that sony used. every business analyst in the industry knows this as most gaming fans. since MOST 360 owners didn’t get the RROD, you’re idea is useless (as usual). the only one losing touch with “reality” is you and the other ps3 fanboys. sorry.
June 24th, 2008
dwh - the xbox WAS founded by gamers. it’s hilarious to think you guys think bill g was sitting around and came up with the idea. it was the DirectX team (hence the X in XBOX) which was comprised of seriously hardcore gamers such as Seamus Blackley and Ed Fries. meanwhile, the ps was founded by a bunch of electronics designers…. NOT gamers. i swear you get dumber with every post… lmao..
June 24th, 2008
Kev: go read real history (not gaming) if you know you are getting it, it is NOT a trojan horse in the way that Cad is using the term. You are not all knowing Kev. You are a geek who only reads gaming sites and mags. You are the reason I”ll never buy an X-box. I couldn’t stand being associated with someone like you. You hurt the Xbox everytime you open your mouth or type on your keyboard. I tried to have a rational conversation with, but you won’t let that happen.
June 24th, 2008
When I said you I meant people like you, you know XBOTS!
June 24th, 2008
Wylie
If every customer new they were getting a bluray then why did that report come out saying that PS3 owners did not know they had a bluray player during the first year of the PS3’s life cycle. And second why is a game machine cost $1000 Dollars. I don’t care if you just learned math but that should not be the price to creat any console.
June 24th, 2008
wylie - you need rational thought to have rational conversations. you have no rational thought.
June 24th, 2008
And wylie
Which part of my statement is not reality. Did you already forget what you just went through or did MGS4 make you forget that you got bent over and pimped $1000 at a time.
June 24th, 2008
DWH
Netflix will only sweeten the Pot. Thanks Microsoft!!! I love you too.
June 24th, 2008
Wylie
Any man that can give a Billion Dollars to Africa was a shit load of money. Everyone knows that MS has Money you don’t have to tell me that but it’s you PS3 Boyz that keep brings up the stupid argument about if MS ever expect to make money from the 360 as if 360 is the only thing MS has going for it.
June 24th, 2008
Oh Microsoft you want to give me a 3 year warrenty for messing up in an effort to beat PS3. Oh thank you MS I Love you to.
on the flip side:
CUST: Sony, I have a problem with my PS2/PS3.
SONY: Fuck You.
June 24th, 2008
Wylie, Kevin got the Trojan Horse That I was talking about. You didn’t!!
June 24th, 2008
Cad: The Trogan Horse term was thrown around in the electronics business world because the blue ray entered inside the PS3. Owners of the PS3 were and are quite aware of the blue ray inside. You and Kev have a selective reading disorder. It’s easy to fix just grab firmly onto your shoulders and yank your head out of your ass. You will see a whole different world. Amazing how you guys brag up that you wanted a system that played games not movies, then you turn around and brag about Netflix. Yeah, you are real rational. And by the way when did I pump out $1000 for a PS3 Cad?
June 24th, 2008
WYLIE - the term trojan horse was used for the ps3 because that’s the strategy they used. it’s a business strategy. it did NOT start with the ps3. like i said, no rational thought.
June 24th, 2008
Kev - Again selective reading, I just stated it was a business strategy. Cad used it like Sony sold it to its customers and they didn’t know what they were getting. Once again it entered the business world inside the Ps3, hence the Trojan Horse term. I never said Sony invented the term!
June 24th, 2008
CAD…. netflix was just to sweeten the pot?? what was the blu ray drive?? poison?? I dont see why first of all.. people bitch about the high price… it was only $100 more… when you add in the extra charges… like a battery pack and a decent sized hard drive… the 360 pretty much costs the same… (for the PS3 you gotta buy an additional dualshock 3 and a head phone)
why do you flaunt the 3 year warranty like its a good thing?? First of all… MOST 360 owners werent safe from the RROD… the you tube vids prove its still an issue…. and if it wasnt that big a deal… Microsoft wouldnt pledge $1 billion for it… the public announcement of the 1 billion dollar pledge and the entended warranty was good move… they pretty much doused the flames… but it doesnt solve the negative goodwill that will spill over to the next xbox model… people dont forget that sort of thing… just like Kevin didnt forget about the broken PS2 thing that I never heard about….
umm.. and CAD… I didnt get “pimped” out of $1000… I actually got something worth $1000… buy only paying $500-$600…. pretty good deal to me….
Lets get another thing straight… I dont give a damn who invented the xbox… if god himself came down from the heavens and made a new console… I would only buy it if it serves my purpose… not because idiots like you were all hyped up for it…
So when you can be a fan of something… go ahead… no ones stopping you… but when you dont look at the limitations… that just makes you a…. well… a real big retard….
Lets look at it this way…. I like the 360… but it has region lock.. a big deal for me because I dont have a verified dealer near me… so… I have to mod it… and buy the pirated games… if I bought a normal 360.. I would have to buy the games from the same country I bought the console from… and the people who import the games… they get em from whichever country they can… its not like they always buy form one country… so If I have a Australian 360.. Id be pretty screwd because my Halo 3 is from USA… understand…
Now the PS3… no region lock… I dont have to buy pirated games… (it hasnt been modded games) I can get games from whichever region I want… and I can get myself a pretty decent collection… though the games cost a LOT more when compared to the 360s…
But… I know that when I buy PS3 exclusives… they are actual exclusives… if I dont buy a 360… Im not gonna miss most of the best games it has to offer….
So there… a comparison of the consoles through my eyes… but… I like both… the 360 is cheap.. but unreliable hardware… lots more games… but have to give it a rest every other hour….
Whether I had bought the original or the modded 360.. I wouldve gotten screwd by the 3 year warranty… what do I do when it breaks?? buy a ticket to australia and then make em fix it?? it would be cheaper to get it fixed by the modders…
THe PS3… VERY EXPENSIVE games… (cus of the exchange rate) no hardware issues… exclusive games stay exclusive… and god of war.. the only series I was ever crazy about…
June 24th, 2008
dwh Be happy with your ps3 then because I’m glad someone like you is locked out. And yes 3 year warrenty is a good thing. How you could flip that as bad is beyond me. Kevin bitched about the PS2 breaking but guess Sony did nothing for him. I liked the way you flipped the price but guess what with Sony taking that kind of loss is not a good thing for you and if you Love them so much you should fork out the extra bucks to help your buddy Sony along because if the trend keeps up your great deal will turn into a bad deal if it isn’t bad enough.
June 24th, 2008
dwh I just want to understand one thing. Your telling me that if you call Microsoft to get your console fixed that they won’t send you a postage paid box to ship you console back to them. Because for a company who can throw around a Billion Dollars I find this hard to believe that they won’t do that.
June 24th, 2008
EVERY ONE BE QUIET……jesus christ….back and forth.back and forth….you r driving me nuts…who cares about trojan horse?….its a stupid name….it sounds like a condom for a horse…….put it this way…..we down really know what is going to happen…M$ and Sony probably have tricks up their sleeves….lets just wait till they reveal them and then continue with the fighting…..i agree with dwh…you cant argue with that….and another thing….without nintendo, there really wouldnt be a ps and xbox…..but when the ps1 came out, it was different….so without ps there wouldnt be an xbox…so sony plays a big role…i dont really care about nintendo anymore….they are just immature….they make uncreative games everyday….and if you were a true gamer, you would realize that……and 360 is cool, but it has to get old sometime….and also, no offense, but the 360s design was taken from an old dell comp..it looks just like it..and if the ps3 is to last a long time, then im sure sony will do a good job
June 24th, 2008
LOL!
June 25th, 2008
So how does Sony make a profit while at the same time cutting the price of the PS3?… OK, I stated the obvious.
But seriously the amount of Blue Ray Disk needed to sell to make the PS3 a profit must still outweigh what most people spend on PS3.
June 25th, 2008
Wii Wins Wins like the SNES Before it.
June 25th, 2008
Matt is a Wii bot… Matt is a wii bot… lets argue about how the Wii sucks so much because they are kicking the asses of the “big boys”
CAD.. what part of “I dont have any verified dealers near me” dont you understand??
If Microsoft fixes my MODDED 360… hell Ill be an xbot too xD
How is sony taking that kind of loss not a big deal?? and Microsoft taking the negative goodwill is a good thing?? jeez… make up your mind….
If I loved Sony… I wouldnt have paid the fix my 360 TWICE by the modders… I wouldnt have bought it… and I wouldve been a stupid retarded fanboy like you… fantasisng about other guys committing homosexual acts with a company…
June 25th, 2008
or the NES before that.
June 25th, 2008
Wii Continues to sell as a the Others gather Dust. Why Cause hard core gamers like use have no Lives and Suck. The reason I made a choice to only by one console this time. I am 37 I have seen most of the these wars and Owned Most of the consoles (all bar Dream cast(well I have one now but only in my console collection.))
June 25th, 2008
Wii Continues to sell as all the Others gather Dust. Why Cause hard core gamers like use have no Lives and Suck. The reason I made a choice to only by one console this time. I am 37 I have seen most of the these wars and Owned Most of the consoles (all bar Dream cast(well I have one now but only in my console collection.))
June 25th, 2008
wylie - CAD was right. MOST ps3 owners had NO IDEA what bluray is/was when they bought it. not suprising since bluray was not really on the radar when the ps3 launched. a tech site actually had poll numbers to back it up. you really need to read more about this industry before posting up again.
June 25th, 2008
dwh - don’t say you didn’t know about the ps2’s reliability issue. i’ve posted at least two separate links for you in the past. i’d love to see your data supporting “most 360″ went RROD. altho you and i both know no such data exists, because it’s another of your lies. get a dog if you need attention that much.
June 25th, 2008
is it me or does this site seem like a kiddies site now with all of these immature crappy comments. Shame really.
June 25th, 2008
DWH
I don’t know anything about a verified dealer. I don’t know where you live but I’m glad I don’t live there. Over here in North America you pick up the phone and make the call to 18004myxbox then they send you a box and a week later a new 360 arrives. At least that is how it happens in Canada. In the USA I believe they actually fix you box and send you back the same console. Over here we don’t go to verified dealers. So that is why I ask if you just can’t make a call. And Yes I forgot you a thief and that your 360 is modded. So I guess your stuck.
June 25th, 2008
Kev - your backing yourselves with polls now! Polls are not reliable, it depends on who is running the poll and what they want the results to be. Why would I research a poll? The Blueray being in the PS3 was released long before the PS3 was in stores. It was all over the internet and tech sites. Now you are telling me that the majority of PS3 owners bought it without researching it first. All they had to do was ask the dumbass at Best Buy what the PS3 does and they would tell them. I know CAD writes stuff to try and get under peoples skin for fun, but I think you are truelly as stupid as what you type. At least Cad has an excuse since he’s from Canada!
June 25th, 2008
wylie - so basically, the data is there and you want to ignore it. yes, the information was released bluray was in the ps3, yet many people don’t read online news/tech articles and the ps3 sold on name alone. you just don’t know enough of this industry to even put up a decent debate. just stop already.
the only one “stupid” here is the person who doesn’t know squat about the console they’re fans of. ie; you.
June 25th, 2008
sorry… I shouldve written “I didnt know about PS2 errors till kevin told me about it”… does that satisfy your thurst for all things good and pure??
yes CAD… I dont live in North America.. but Im moving in a month… and Ill get higher net speed.. YAY!!! and yes in a sense I am a thief… its not my fault if your precious software company has a terrible SOFTWARE COPY PROTECTION sytem… and its not my fault that the games cost as much as my rent… thats why I only buy the originals that are worth buying…
I meant Verified dealers as stores like Best Buy and Electronics Boutique and Gamestop… I thought you could give it to the store where you brought em from… and they would replace it for you?? shipping and postage is WAY worse… cus the US post office is SOOO reliable….xD
some links for you kevin… I just want to return the favor… and If I remember correctly.. I did give you links to sites where they gave the failure percentage… it was you who didnt believe them… but you’ll believe it when they give you the percentage of PS2 errors… wont you??
I think hippocrite is the word Im looking for…
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160603
June 25th, 2008
So CAD you guys have a hotline for “broken xbox’s” now that is funny. Your “elite” system that is far superior to anything else, has a hotline for broken xbox’s……..
Bah hahahahahahaha
And kev, you can cry as much as you want about hardware failure of ps2. I don’t care (never had a ps2, had a orig xbox) But it well known and documented that the 360 with “it’s up to 33% failure rate” made it the all time console lemon……….full stop. Unfortunately, it is a badge of honour that you will have to wear and accept.
June 25th, 2008
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/rings-of-red
another one…
June 25th, 2008
Kev - It’s not my fault you are too ignorant to understand. You change your stance on every subject to fit into your Xbox bullshit. If Dave Parrack or another writer on this site placed a poll up saying something negative about Xbox you would call it unreliable, why because polls are unreliable. Sorry to be the one to tell you but you know alot less about this industry than you think! You think I am a PS3 fanboy, well your wrong I’m anti-Xbot. That is the problem with Xbox entering the console world, it brought people like you with it. I enjoy gaming as a hobby, it doesn’t consume my life. I leave you with one last question - if I call 500 people and 250 say they own a PS3 and 150 a Wii and 100 an Xbox then I must assume that PS3 is outselling the other two. Or maybe my poll demagraphic was too small and I just happened to call more PS3 owners! Does that dumb it down enough for you?
June 25th, 2008
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/7694-squaretrade-revisits-xbox-360-failure-rates/
another one… may I have some links to that PS2 error?? since we are exchanging links now…
by the way… If I wanted attention… wouldnt I be jumping up and down and acting like a fanboy?? would I keep telling you that I like both consoles?? huh… mull that over for a few minutes…
June 25th, 2008
Wylie
This was all over the internet last year and in the news so your claim is flase. Most people who bought it in the beginning had no Idea it would play Bluray. If your like most people you know the next product is coming so you just want it. The problem was when it came no one wanted to buy a $700 machine. That is why I say the PS3 is a trojan horse for bluray. It becomes more true once you realize that Sony paid Blockbuster, WB, Target, Walt Disney, and a slew of other companies to adopt bluray because there is no way in hell Bluray would have beaten HD DVD when stand alone players were outpacing bluray until the PS3 came along. All the features that just came out for bluray in 2008 were already in the HD DVD since day 1 with internet connectivity and everything back in 2005. The only feature bluray had on the compitition was it’s capacity. It had until this year, no internet connectivity, no cool features and extra content you could have downloaded form the net, no firmware upgrades, no in movie menu, no wallpaper, ringtone, minigames. Yet Bluray won. There is no way a company can look at the two and say i’m going with bluray unless money was involved. They spent everyting on bluray and your games suffered. That why Sony is always last in the game dept. no exclusives unless they come from a sony studio, no exclusive content, a lack luster online. Sony forgot who they were selling a GAME SYSTEM to and Microsoft spent money on it’s customer in the game department which is the reason we buy game consoles. Then after you buy one there is all these movies you can watch. You see movies were second on the 360 but games were first.
June 25th, 2008
dwh
I will confess that I really don’t care that you have a modded 360 or if you get burnt games. I do my share of downloading music so even though I say that, I really don’t care. Just to be fair.
June 25th, 2008
QUICK , GET HIM DAVE PARRACK ,HE ADMITTED DOWNLOADING MUSIC ( i interpet this as illegal downloading)
June 25th, 2008
Bourne
In Canada we don’t get slammed for downloading music because there is a tariff that is applied to Disk sales DVD or CD that is sent back to the music companies as payment and they make millions from those tariffs. So technically the music industry already gets paid and I guess technically I pay for downloading by purchasing blank disks.
June 25th, 2008
Sorry Cad must of been big news in Canada, where they thought they were getting a shiny black box thingy that did really neat stuff. Post your claims if you like, but why would MOST Ps3 owners pay $600 dollars for a console if they didn’t know what it did. Besides wasn’t your argument acouple of weeks ago how PS3 sales were up because people wanted a cheap blueray? And I don’t think anyone backing M$ should be bitching about another comapany throwing money around to get a product out the door. Besides the war is over so why are we discussing HD-DVD anyway? One last note I think a few million people paid $600 and are completely happy with their choice.
June 25th, 2008
Because wylie,
Were talking about trojan horse and how Sony screwed it’s customers with this high priced machine that doesn’t even do anything different. Also Is the internet only in Canada or is it world wide. Please tell me your not one of those ignorent Americans who think their the only contry in the World. You probably voted for Bush too.
June 25th, 2008
@ DWH……what is a wii bot?…….what ever it is, i hate the wii….i never play it…..i bought it so i can add it to my collection of consoles……@ kev……yes the ps2 did have problems, but it wasnt long…….and i think its worse for the 360 to have problems(havent really been fixed yet) even if its suppose to be a next gen console…..but i havent gotten any problems with mine
June 25th, 2008
WYLIE - when you dismiss the two most forefront tech sites data, you’re completely lost. believe what you want. the fact you have dwh agreeing with you should tell you just how far off base you really are. good luck sport…
DWH - MS shipped a prepaid box that one ships uses UPS. (better than postal). it is problem free. in fact, you don’t even have to ever leave your house. it doesn’t get any easier. surely faaaar easier than the years it took to get the courts to force sony to fix the ps2… and sony STILL does not acknowledge the problem. now THAT is sad.
Matt - yes..it was long…. sony didn’t settle until 03, when they launched in 1999 (japan).
June 25th, 2008
xD
now youre talking bout HD DVDs.. and the similarities I find are very funny..
okay.. so you “claim” (without any proof) that Sony paid off all those companies… what?? just like Microsoft paid Rockstar to make exclusive content?? (the amount was suppossedly the same as the GNP of a sub saharan country)
what about the studios they bought?? what about when they bought like 20% of a company who sued them for copyright infringement??
See dont use the “they buy their competitors so they are evil” argument… its a part of life… well not really.. but its a normal part of business… but maybe your 10 year old brain is not mature enough to understand that…
June 25th, 2008
CAD,
Try not to believe everything Kevin says. I know you can be reasonable, but claiming that most people didn’t know about Blu Ray when they bought a PS3 is just insane. I know you don’t really believe that.
I know most people on this site are rude. Don’t let them ruffle you and just be honest with yourself.
-Arvis
June 25th, 2008
it was sarcasm Matt.. dont take it too seriously…
people who agree with me are stupid and a fanboy and are thieves…
people who agree with kevin and CAD are geniuses… they stand for freedom… they stand for logic… THEY STAND FOR AMERICA!!!!
the kev has spoken… you have been warned…
June 25th, 2008
ARVIS - since there was only ONE bluray player available when the ps3 launched it makes sense that people didn’t know about bluray. next time, butt out.
i posted articles from the two most respected tech sites on the ‘net and you think you know more? nice…
June 25th, 2008
The format war was suppose to be decided by the customer. That did not happen because Sony Paid for it. At least Microsfot spend money on exclusive content for GTA4 something Sony cannot afford to do because they spent it sucuring bluray. Sony will never admit it but just look at the facts and it does not add up. Sony probably spend the GDP of Europe securing bluray. That why 360 gets all the perks and PS3 gets nothing but a 3.3 Billion Dollar Loss.
June 25th, 2008
CAD - I really don’t have a problem with Canada, I know plenty of Canadiens(not far from the border) just tryin to ruffle your looney feathers. I do understand you are saying that Sony forced the Bluray on people (look I spelled it right this time). However a majority of people who bought it were looking for a console and liked the idea of getting a hi-def player with it, or wanted a hi-def player and liked the idea of getting a console with it. I know that’s not what you were looking for, but some of us were so why try and trash the idea? Sony could not afford to lose another format war (beta anyone) so to me it looks like good business.
June 25th, 2008
CAD - so it’s ok for M$ to spend money and try to corner the gaming market, but it’s evil if Sony spends money to win out a format battle, one that you don’t care about because you will download movies from Netflix anyways? Do you work for M$ or why so passionate about them? I’m glad you like your choice in console but it’s just a game. You sound like you are about to cross the line and start saying “we” when talking about M$.
June 25th, 2008
the fact that sony gave toshiba the cells manufacturing as hd dvd bowed out proves that sony will do anything to make bluray #1.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/18/sony-sells-cell-to-toshiba/
June 25th, 2008
wylie - where did ms EVER say they wanted to corner the gaming market? complete b.s…..
wow..you guys just make it up as you go don’t you…
June 25th, 2008
Kev - I was making a comparison to Sony spending money on Bluray vs. M$ spending money on exclusive gaming per CAD’s comments. Besides kev M$ tries to monopolize everything they get involved in. How many smaller companies have they bought out? I can name one successful company in my city that they moved in on rather quickly, didn’t take long for them to fork over the cash to buy them out! Once again you have managed to take one sentence and try to change it to how you choose to view it. Maybe you come here to bitch because your jealous Blorge won’t let you write for them!
June 25th, 2008
wylie - no, you said ms wanted to corner the gaming market, like sony is trying to do with hd formats. so, post some proof that’s ms intention.
thanks
June 25th, 2008
Arvis
I was shocked to hear about it to but it was reality at the time. I believe there is a good amount of people that don’t catch up on the news and surf the net to find out what is happning. For example I thought that the 360 would have not sold well after the RROD but as many times as you hear it on the net people still buy the 360.
June 25th, 2008
um… living on the FAR side of the planet… a good 24 hours from North America… yes.. I knew about Blu ray… I didnt know how much the video quality was better than the dvd till I saw the screenshots on the net… but yes… I knew that it had more capacity than HD DVDs… and when youre living in a world where games come in packages of more than one dvd… I think storage becomes a big factor…
So… dont say people didnt know about Blu ray drives… people who were interested about the nex generation of gaming knew… just like I didnt know about the PS2 errors beacuse I never faced the errors… what else do you want??
June 25th, 2008
Kev - don’t by nieve. I don’t record every conversation I have with Bill and his marketing department. What do you call it when you throw millions of dollars at exclusive content kev. Just because they can’t corner doesn’t mean they don’t want to, isn’t that what business is? You want to talk about forcing something on the consumers that they don’t want lets talk about Vista shall we? That’s not cornering a market and shoving it done someones throats is it?
June 25th, 2008
wylie - actually bill has had very little to do with the xbox. it was the directx team that created, ms games division that supports it, and bill g is a software designer, not a hardware designer.
ed fries, shane kim and robbie bach have all stated their interest in gaming is to co-exist. However, they also know they and sony are fighting for the same demographic, so someone has to go. (sony). This is the reason why you don’t see so many kiddy games on the 360. that market is just about locked by nintendo. why is it okay for sony to pay for timed exclusives but ms can’t buy exclusive content? kinda one sided if you ask me.
is xp not being supported? of course it is. Vista is cornering nothing, yet every few years (as with windows me, then xp) they get accused of trying to corner the market. if someone could come up with a better, more affordable solution have at it.
June 25th, 2008
You guys are making it sound like I was saying that nobody knew that the PS3 came with a bluray. That is obviously not true. What I’m saying is that when it first came out there was a good percentage of people who didn’t know about it and had no idea it played bluray movies. I think that it is hard to say that today. But a few weeks ago I had to explain this to someone who had no idea what bluray was. DVD is King and I don’t see people making the switch because the difference between the new upscaling DVD players and Bluray is really not that compelling.
June 25th, 2008
Wylie
If Microsoft was cornering the market it’s because they learned it from Sony. When I first got my original Xbox it was a Sony world. Games were hard to get for xbox we had to wait for GTA and it pretty much the story that the PS3 is going through right now. Somewhere Sony lost their way and maybe $ and greed will do that to a company.
June 25th, 2008
Kev - that is all I was saying, M$ wants to corner a market just like any other company. I would never say that Sony is perfect, far from it. You two just make it sound like M$ is perfect. My thing is some of us are happy with our PS3’s its doing what we bought them for (minus XMB). I have no issues with people if they want to buy an Xbox360, if that’s what they want. There is just no reason to be snobbish because someone likes something different than you. So refreshing to have acouple of posts without the name calling and such.
June 25th, 2008
CAD - I don’t think M$ is learning it from Sony, they don’t need lessons, thats why their worth billions. Don’t give Sony that much credit, you’ll make people wonder if your switching your fanboy sides.
June 25th, 2008
Wylie
What exactly is it that I said that would make you think I was swithcing sides?
June 26th, 2008
Sorry CAD the difference between “upscaled DVD” and blu-ray is miles apart. Upscaled DVD is better than normal DVD, but comparing it to blu-ray (or HD-DVD) is like comparing chalk and cheese.
Microsoft not Greedy……are you for real? All companies are greedy, they have to please thier shareholders. What do shareholders want…..easy $$$ and as much as they can get. Shareholders run companies now, not the person who founded it. So for you to emphasize that Sony is greedy and Microsoft isn’t, is just plain foolish.
June 26th, 2008
HEAR HEAR!!!
June 26th, 2008
spidey - having seen both upscaled dvd and bluray, i can say there IS a difference. Just not “miles apart” as you say. there is a difference, just not hundreds of dollars worth of difference. why pay $400 for a bluray player when you can get a comparable (not “same”) image at $50? prolly why most aren’t quickly adopting bluray. just not worth it….
June 26th, 2008
Kev - I don’t know if bluray will catch on or not, but it is way too early to tell. Dvd players didn’t catch on until the price dropped. So let’s wait and see what happens. I understand you said “aren’t quickly adopting” but I don’t think the upscalers are jumping off the shelves at the moment either.
June 26th, 2008
wylie - i think bluray will eventually catch on, but not driven by the ps3 as promised by sony and the fanboys. most fanboys think dvd was successful BECAUSE of the ps2 (silly, i know) and they tried to use the same logic with the ps3 and bluray. the upscaling dvd players are selling waaaaay better than bluray players. that’s a certainty.
June 26th, 2008
again… HEAR HEAR!!!
I remember the first time DVDs came out.. I didnt get a player till the games came out in DVD format…
and are you saying that DVD picture quality is the same as the Blu ray kev?? REALLY?? jeez… you have reached a new low… I guess the Hollywood studios got ir wrong.. maybe they shouldntve spent all their money releasing their movies in the blu ray format.. you shouldve told them.. you couldve changed the history of of Hollywood… shame no one paid any attention to you…
June 26th, 2008
Wii is selling more units than PS3 and 360 combined… but that isnt next gen is it??
And if I rememeber correctly… PS2 was one of the first home DVD players… right?? wasnt it cheaper than the other dvd players??
so its not PS3 may not be the driving force that makes blu ray siccessfull… but a price cut of the PS3 AND HD tvs may be one… with the recent recession… and the high price of HD Tvs… ist unlikely that the PS3 or HD tvs wil lsell like hot cakes…
June 26th, 2008
Spideydog
I have a HD Player. So I know what I’m taling about. The differences are minimal.
June 26th, 2008
wylie
It’s like this. You walk into best buy and go to the DVD section and Upscalling DVD cost $80 to $150 and Denon & Oppo is the most expensive Upscalling DVD you can find which might be around the $150-$200 zone. Then you get to bluray which will cost $500 and up. But there is the option to buy PS3 for $400 I think. But remember the market is decided by Stand alone players in the end which out number consoles by who knows how many Times. Given that Bluray will stay on the shelf.
June 26th, 2008
dwh - this is what makes you sony loyalists so incredibly funny. when the ps2 launched ($299) there were DVD players on the market for HALF that price. this is why you guys shouldn’t post. you know zip about the very company you worship. it was sony, and sony ALONE, that claimed the ps2 caused dvd’s success. only to be echoed by the ignorant masses of fanboys.
good gawd…
June 26th, 2008
dwh - which part of (not “same”) didn’t you understand. go home. you’re done.
June 26th, 2008
I’m first to admit I’m not sure when this will happen, maybe a few years, but don’t you expect bluray to enter into computers at some point? They developed a large storage space dvd for more than movies I’m sure. I think we are all looking at the small picture when it comes to the bluray. As far as upscaling goes, some people like the best product on the market, even if it is a small difference. Bluray players will come down in price at some point. As far a Ps2 driving dvd’s sales or not who cares, I think Toshiba was the one who made out like bandits on that one!
June 26th, 2008
in which part of my post did I say that Sony was the SOLE reason for the success for DVDs??
alright… so maybe the dvd players werent more expensive than the PS2… that changes a lot of things… Ill say it now and Ill say it again.. I like both consoles… I think they compliment each other… feeding off of each other’s weaknesses… if you wanna label me… then I cant stop you… the only other guy who supports you is CAD… and Im a little scared of his fantasies…
problem is that you act as if RROD is not a big deal… it may not be as big as the PS2 disk read error… but with the increased traffic on the net and with more people catching quickly onto news… it IS a bigger problem… RROD and region lock is my only beef with the 360.. otherwise its great…
June 26th, 2008
DWH
You keep trying to bring me into your fantasy with Sony. Sorry I don’t cheat. I’m starting to believe that you actually might be a freak because you keep trying to bring me to your threesome with Sony.
June 26th, 2008
CAD & Kev, well you guys need glasses then, because your wrong. I have directly compared the two, side by side, and there is a huge difference. Besides, If what you are saying is true, then you wouldn’t have bothered getting a HD player…..
But this is coming from guys that think that playing 360 in SD is “not bad”. Stop contradicitng yourselves, it is embarresing.
June 27th, 2008
360:uses dvd9 9GB, £25 to play online, to dependent on 3rd party, RROD, loads of games, some good loads shit, people always talking about gears 2 (bored) and is crap in Japan.
PS3:uses BLU-RAY 50GB, free online, mix of 3rd and 1st party games, no lssues (apart from YLOD rare) not a lot of games, most good some shit, people talking about killzone, resistance, motorstrom, GT5, Little Big Planet, ps3 wiimote, home, wipeout, MGS4, eye toy games, pain, blast factor, super rub a dub, everyday shooter, God of War 3, FFXIII, secret exculsives and sells well in Japan.
June 27th, 2008
ps3rules,
Super Rub a Dub? Yikes….
-Arvis
June 30th, 2008
spidey - um, apparently you’re the only one that thinks there is a huge difference. if the difference was that great, bluray would be selling a lot more. but it’s not. get off sony’s leg. bluray is nice, but not worth the hudreds of dollars needed to upgrade from a progessive scan dvd player.
stop posting. you’re embarrassing yourself.