E3 Analyst: Xbox 360 losing to PS3, Wii - Needs price cut, new features
By Dave Parrack
This year’s E3 is gearing up to be something special, as the industry is at that stage in the current gen console war when all 3 main players need to up the game. With big announcements expected concerning both the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360, one analyst is stating the case that big things need to come from Microsoft, and more than just a price cut.
E3 has lost some of its appeal over the past few years, and isn’t really the huge event for gamers that it once was. But this year, there seems to be something in the air, with big announcements expected from both Microsoft and Sony. Nintendo doesn’t need to make the effort, as the Wii and DS are selling in huge numbers already, and nothing else really matters at this early stage of the current generation.
Signal Hill analyst Todd Greenwald is a new name to add to the Michael Pachter and Jesse Divnich school of speak first, think later, games industry talking heads. He recently issued an E3 preview note, in which, according to Next Gen, he expresses concerns for the state of the Xbox 360, and urges Microsoft to pull something big out of the fire.
We think the 360 has lost significant momentum to both the Wii and PS3, especially in Europe, and is in need of both a price cut and new features to bring in mainstream gamers beyond the Halo/Call of Duty/GTA crowd.
Hopefully, Microsoft will have something else up its sleeve [at E3], such as a new motion-enabled controller (to better compete with the Wii).
He has a point. The Xbox 360 is dead in Japan, although some would argue it was never actually born in the country. And in Europe, it’s not exactly selling well right now, despite the Arcade model of the console making the Xbox 360 a cheaper option than the Nintendo Wii.
The Xbox 360 certainly has a reputation for being the console of choice for the hardcore frat boy, and that is a pigeon-hole that is definitely limiting the potential consumer base. So moving in to the Wii’s demographic certainly makes sense.
The price cut looks a definite for next week, and I think the chances of a Wii-Remote style motion-sensing controller being announced at E3 are very high. Whether this dual-pronged attack on the PS3 and Wii will be enough to lift the fortunes of the Xbox 360 in territories other than America remains to be seen.
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July 10th, 2008
“in Europe, it’s on life support” - since it’s ahead of the ps3 by a few million that must mean teh ps3 is dead. right, mike?
July 10th, 2008
Yeah i was quite confused as to how you reached the conclusion the 360 was dead in europe? I thought it was, not exactly booming in sales, but substantial still.
Is there any sales figures to back up this claim? Just curious.
Looking forward to E3 though, heres hoping for major announcements.
Kevin - DAVE PARRACK wrote this article.
July 10th, 2008
yes…it’s not hard to see dave wrote this… escpeically with the baseless “360 on lifesupport” b.s….
this kid is clueless….
July 10th, 2008
Okay, you win, maybe the life support line was a bit over the top, but it’s certainly not doing very well in Europe as a whole right now.
I’ll change the article to better reflect this.
As for being a kid, well Kev, I must be the oldest kid in town then. Clueless… that’s a matter of opinion
July 10th, 2008
Nice one Dave
July 10th, 2008
davep- still waiting for your response. if the 360 is on “life support” what does that make the ps3?
it’s doing better than the ps3.
does it ever occur to you and your sony loving cronies that 1. the ps3 had the most momentum going into this gen with “120 million ps3 users” (per sony) and LOST 90% of it and 2. the 360 has already eclipsed last gens userbase of the xbox? hows that for a change in momentum?
don’t change the article davep. it will serve us well when the sales numbers come out and the 360 remains on top of the ps3 in the EU.
it will serve as a reminder that you, nor any of the “industry insiders” know squat about this industry.
July 10th, 2008
Come on kev, you can look at charts all over the net and see that the total sales in Europe for X360 is starting to flatten out towards the horizontal, while the line for the PS3 seems to continue to trend more vertical every month. The lead X360 achieved due to being released nearly 18 months before PS3 (in Europe) is diminishing, and PS3 seems to be closing the gap more rapidly with each month of data we see. You’re such an X360 fan, why WOULDN’T you want to see MS try to shake things up and get the market excited about the product again???
July 10th, 2008
davidb- sony has not released ANY eu sales numbers. the only “data” released from eu is from vgchartz.com which, by thier own disclaimer, does NOT use sales data, but only estimates obtained from undisclosed “sources”.
their credibility was shot from the launch of the ps3 when they had posted it sold 2 million in the first month. that simply did NOT happen, yet the fanboys posted it over and over again as “proof”.
bottom line; until the ps3 actually overtakes the 360 in the EU, it proves the ps3 lost the most momentum from last gen and people aren’t that excited about bluray.
July 10th, 2008
i do agree with DaveB, microsoft cant keep up with the software sony is putting out all of a sudden, they’re resorting to price cuts and relying on one MAJOR system seller: GeOW 2. What will happen when microsoft lower their price to £10/$20 and people aren’t buying? They need something exciting to offer to new and original customers, which is what Sony are doing with Home,exclusive titles and Life ( i realise these aren’t nessicarily original, i was focussing on the exciting aspect of them) which will invite new customers. The trouble with the 360 is that its just another console. Offers nothing new or exciting now and Microsoft are resorting to tried and tested emergency methods of reducing price to draw new customers, but what does that mean for customers like you Kev who already own one?
July 10th, 2008
BOURNE - this is why we as gamers can’t take you female gamers seriously. you do realize that console experience several price cuts (due to reduced costs) in the life of the console, right? this impending cut is nothing more than what’s due at this point in the lifecycle.
the 360 is currently outselling the ps3 in both EU and north america w/o a price cut. however, the price cut will SLOW people from buying the 360 over the ps3? i can’t even imagine how you came to that conclusion….
the 360 is nothing new? really? it’s the FIRST multi processor console on the market. it was also the FIRST to host the features on xbox live that PSN is struggling and failing to keep up with.
it’s funny to watch you contradict yourself. you even admit HOME isn’t original, but somehow it’s more attractive because it’s “exciting”…
i expect an apology when the 360 clobbers in the important markets (eu and na) after the price cuts. get your “well, the 360 is cheaper so it should sell more” excuses ready…..lmao…
July 10th, 2008
Yes Bourne, the software like . . . Lair!
yeah, Lair Rocks.
Oh wait . . or maybe you’re talking about the massive system seller Haze!
yeah, haze rocks.
MSFT has some new announcements coming in a week, sony = old and busted.
MSFT = new hotness.
Oh and Bourne, they’re not reducing price to draw new customers, they’re reducing price because they’ve beat the costs down significantly and can still reduce prices while making a profit on each xbox sold. Whereas the PS3 is going to be a long time before a price drop comes (per sony execs), as they “focus more on recouping costs than market share.”
Also Bourne, the 360 is not “just another console,” . . . it’s the top media center with the most downloadable content available on the market right now. Better than Apple TV, and better than the PSN network. Check any review site for that review support.
Too bad the PS3 is not “just another console. . .” instead, all it is is “just another BD player no one wants.”
Downloads are the future, not some crap scratchable CD/dvd/BD trojan horse.
July 10th, 2008
Kev - Apparently you missed last months (and certainly this months) sales numbers. The PS3 has actually outsold the 360 in NA more months this year, than vice versa. Your facts are flawed buddy.
Morne
July 10th, 2008
lol im a guy, you seriously thought i was a girl?
It suggests that the market is saturated with 360’s and microsofts only tactic to sell is to lower the price. It happens when all brands come to the end of their life cycle. Look at VHS, when it began to loose customers it sold dirt cheap casettes and players, same with HD-DVD ad when no-one wanted them they lowered the price, which is occuring with the 360!
I also never said that the price cut will lower customer sales, i said that it will make little difference as a price cut will mean customers on a budget will be able to buy which is right in line with a younger audience aka wii owners.
Try advertising that he 360 is the first multi processor console on the market and see the sales figures after. It will make no difference as thats not marketable. The PS3 offers to be not only a console, but a cheap blu-ray player, internet hub and serves to help Medical research (F@H). Tell me one thing that the 360 has which is marketable as an interesting feature which can attract customers which is FACT not opinion (i.e XBL is the best which is OPINION)
My point at home is that its interesting, which will appeal to potential new customers. The 360 only has user opinions on how XBL is the best online service as opposed to actual marketable features such as home, internet browser like ps3 has.
July 10th, 2008
Ok Jonathan, how far in the future are downloads. I know they are available, but most people will not be using them for a few more years. Also, where are you going to keep all these downloads you speak of. These aren’t small music files, better start buying storage space now. What happens to all your movies if your hardrive goes down, what are you going to backup your system on? You are just another xbot, no one wants a PS3, yet millions sold!
July 10th, 2008
I promised myself that I wouldn’t get into the fanboy flack with some of you, but Jonathan that Haze and Lair horse you keep beating is really old, how about I ask you where else I can play the 2 highest rated games of the year on one system? MGS4 and GTA4?
July 10th, 2008
Hey Bourne, kev and Jonathan are both blind, what do they know?
July 10th, 2008
@Bourne, that’s one thing I hate about my 360. Why is there no browser? I mean it’s Microsoft!!!! Plus it’s so convenient typing this message while lying on my couch with my PS3
July 10th, 2008
and kev, way to show your blatant sexism, real mature there pal.
July 10th, 2008
Well trying to keep away from the Kev, CAD (wonder why he hasn’t shown up yet), Jonathan love triangle…
I don’t really trust analysts tbh, esp. when it comes down to this stuff. How many times was patcher off the mark? Sure 360 may be slowly down a TINY amount, but PS3 sales aren’t exactly doubling.
The fact is, most ‘hardcore’ gamers already have thier machines and thats probably most of your game purchasing base right there, so at this point, does it really matter anymore?
Sure everyone wants the machine they invested $XXX in to do well, its a human thing - but when the next gen rolls (whenever that is with the massive costs associated with creating the machines) no one is going to care if you own a 360 or ps3 ‘last’ generation.
July 10th, 2008
bourne - “It happens when all brands come to the end of their life cycle.” you do remember that sony ALREADY had price drops right? so with your logic, the ps3 is doomed and at the end of its lifecycle too… right?
to say xbox being better is “opinion” only proves you haven’t used it. it is far more feature rich than psn and the fact more people CHOOSE to pay for xbox live than take psn for FREE, should tell just how much better it really is…..
remember, xbox live also had a higher userbase last gen even with the ps2 online being “free” (after netword adapter cost) and having a userbase many, many, many times larger than than the xbox.
wylie - music files are small. i have over 150 songs on my hdd on the360 and still a TON of memory for game saves and other d/l content.
morne - post the npd data then for proof. i’d like to believe you but there’s too much misinformation flying around this site…
July 10th, 2008
bourne - “markeable features” of the ps3? so xbox live has no marketable features? explain how they have a higher userbase for two generations… thanks.
July 10th, 2008
kev, please stop with your BS nonsense.
So what if millions are on Live? Millions are on Youtube as well, but does that mean youtube offer high quality? NO.
The only difference is that with Live you have to pay to get all features. As for your answer to Wylie, Wylie wasn’t talking about music files.
Read again.
July 10th, 2008
Kev- I’m not an idiot, if you read my post correctly you would see I was referring to movie downloads are not small like music files. I’m sure you do have plenty of space left with music, how many movies could you fit on there? I know, you will stream them from your PC. What if your PC hdd goes down? Also in the time it would take you to download off from Netflix I could go rent a bluray and watch it and have it back to the store. Sorry I don’t see downloads becoming the standard for quite awhile.
July 10th, 2008
hmmm, that is a good one….oh actually no it isnt. While Sony was creating a worthwhile console, microsoft rushed out theirs to get the first pick on users for “next gen” consoles, and now that thats worn off, the futures grim for the 360. No exclusives, less titles and less power means devs are turning to ps3. XBOX has more users because it was simply the only next gen console out at the time, thus users had no choice. If consoles were released at the same time, we’d see a major difference.
Xbox live has only the number of people to market itself and as i said, thats only because it was the first console out of the gates, needless to say it suffered (RROD). XBL only has reputation to go on, and XBOX users still try to justify paying $40 £40 a year for a service which is basically matched by PSN, only seperated by opinion rather than fact.
Also i dont call around £50 price drop being a sign that ps3 is coming to the end of a life cycle. After already dropping 360 price by what, £/$100, and yet drop the price again signifies a large problem. It means they cant compete because m$ cant compete with ps3 through software/hardware, so the only tactic left is a price drop to sucker in new customers.
July 10th, 2008
The upcoming Resistance 2 60 player online speak for the PS3 itself.
July 10th, 2008
Kev and Jonathan should look into their sources.
Google it, and you’ll see that the PS3 has outsold (in month to month sales) the 360 in the US this year in Jan, Feb and March, and were almost dead equal (1000units appart) in April, and in May the PS3 was again on top, suprising the analysts who predicted a 360 victory (thanks to GTA4).
June will be a no brainer with the success of MGS4.
Those are NPD numbers (as official as it gets aside from the makers themselves), not VGchartz.
As for Europe, it has been reported that the PS3 has outsold the 360 there since October on.
What is argued about by MS is not this, it is that the -total- number of consoles sold by Sony would now be above the total number of 360s sold.
Sony claims this since May, and again in June.
MS says “no no no, not true” and says they have sold more than 5million Xbox 360 in Europe.
The catch? How they define the “Europe” territory (Sony’s definition is pretty much limited to western Europe).
July 10th, 2008
The 360 came out in Europe 18 months before the PS3 and now it only has a 700,000 lead. That looks pretty bad to me. Also, to the people who drone on about the 360’s success I have to say, what success? It’s only now breaking even and sales wise it is only the 15th most popular system of all time. That’s nothing to be proud of.
July 10th, 2008
Kev, I have an 80GB HDD, it’s big enough to hold 15 hours of HD content. Barely enough for 8 movies. Blu ray is the only option for years. You have 150 songs on your 360? I have more songs than can possibly fit on my HDD and I don’t consider it to be a huge music library at all. Do you consider that a lot? 150 songs wouldn’t even hold 3 minutes of HD?
July 10th, 2008
Wait…bourne is a woman? haha
Kev is 100% correct, by the way.
July 10th, 2008
i agree that dowloads arn’t the future the future is most likely to be some sort of solid state memory and then dowloads. At current dowload speeds dowloading HD is possible but not practicle if you wish to watch movies more than once or in any way keep them music i all dowloads because they are smal as someone else said also the lowering of prices for the 360 and especially the ps3 are very early in the lifetime which shows that the companies estimated what would get them large sales wrong (probably do to a economic depression and in the uninted states and rising food costs) not due to a looming end in the lives of the consoles 360 lacks exclusives especailly considering the few it does have are often better on pc. Also there have been other systims with multiple processors
such as the N64 multiple processors is not a new idea having them on the same chip is new but the first universal remote had two processors and deep blue had hundreds by which i mean not that deep blue is a gaming systim but that multiple processors is not a new idea and has been iplemented in both small and large electornic products
July 10th, 2008
sorry internet messed up there i appoligise for the inconvienince also yes haze was bad but who cares as PS3 still has good games (I don’t own a PS3 mostly pc gamming)\
July 10th, 2008
Just some random surfing and saw this discussion, which is always quite interesting.
I am a Sony fan and will be one forever, it is obvious from looking at the figures from an SCEE conference that the sales figures for Sony has reached the peak of Xbox’s consoles, and indeed means that sony has sold equivalent and will sell more consoles than that of the Xbox in this day.
But in reality you cannot compare Xbox with the PS3.
The Xbox has been in the market for longer and has has already come to its life span(as most ms products do) while the PS3 was released later it stood back and watched the other developers and produced something which was a combination of the xbox and wii + more.
While one console got the advantage over the start date to get into the average consumer houses, the other waited for release to give a better appeal to a lot of the other consumers or potential household owners.
The thing most appealing about the PS3 and the Wii compared to the xbox is the strong enforcement of inhouse gaming titles which are unique only to those consoles - some which have just come over from the ps2 to the ps3 that you may know are BUZZ Singstar MGS4… and soon to be littlebigplanet
These games appeal to a wider audience, and provide a lot of family fun, plus being exclusive to these consoles only it ensures that they get into the households that matter with the later sales.
As the growth for games grows in the ps3, the comment of “what game cant you get on any other console” is growing out and quickly becoming “I want THIS console for THAT game” by a lot of hardcore gamers.
Unfortunately it is true that the Xbox is quickly failing in the console industry(yes I say unfortunately), but it is competeing against console developers that have been in the industry for about 10 years or more now, Im not sure about Nintendo, but Sony plans on extending their console over a long period like their first 2 consoles.
As for unfortunately - everyone knows that without competition it gives the developer to control demand for whatever they like, so I wouldnt like to see the MS’s version of the console disappear.
But what fanboy post is without its console bragging rights?
At least with the PSN we only pay for what we download - as well as play on user hosted games for free, from what I hear from my friend who only owns an Xbox, you pay for playing on house hosted connections?
PS3 users will get Home free as well paying only for the ‘accessories’ and stuff they may want to put in their house - this isnt any different from say.. secondlife or any other virtual world.
A lot of the states based on europe only were at a SCEE conference for the PS3 - downloadable from the PSN for those who have a PS3 and want to watch it, it covers a little bit on every aspect of the PS3 and what they will be bringing out.
I would like to see total sales figures, and it is most likely that xbox figures would be flattening out(usually the case in any product) as more options, less buisness power and more consumer power.
You also have to remember that the PS3’s distinct advantage now is the BR disc, now being the only medium which HD content can be obtained on, and with the PS3 equip with the hardware(xbox you had to buy an extension) the PS3 can easily be the all round household entertainment system with both family gaming AND video content - which is where the market lays now.
Sure HD content doesnt matter in the majority of households(well here it doesnt) because people still use SD TV, but this is only proof of the fact that Sony build their consoles to last years(10 years as stated at the conference) and HD television is quickly being phased in in all areas.
As for those media enthusiasts who have media streamed from their PC, both can be done from the PS3 as well.
If the AVERAGE gamer asked you “which console would you suggest for the most fun” which would you suggest?
I for one would suggest the PS3, free online gaming, free entertainment system, and with a few programs(tversity) free multimedia system, and interchangable HDD not to mention external HDD - these are the things that appeal to me over the Xbox and I would certainly prefer to play against my friends on the PS3 network without having to pay for a subscription.
July 10th, 2008
LOL double post zomg.. woops >.>
July 10th, 2008
the 360 is doing bad in europe…..i have friends in europe….i think people in europe know better on whats happening in their country
July 11th, 2008
Kev you are a classic troll get over yourself.
the 360 is on life support. It has to do something! its getting out sold 2-1 in most of europe, and in the rest of the world. Xbox 360 has very few havens, do the ath kevine.
If its being outsold in japan by 40-120 units every month, and in europe by the same amount, how long do you think the 360 has?
the 360 had a 10million head start, now the lead is about 5 million?
DAVE DONT APOLOGISE FOR UR ARTICLE IT MAKES U SEEM WEAK! stand up for what you say
July 11th, 2008
Harry im a guy you fool hahaha, so gullable.
July 11th, 2008
So many sad xbox fanatics on here. I was about to buy a 360 until browsing through the forums and chat sites. Got a ps3 instead and pleased i did. Most 360 fans must be spotty teenagers with no life outdoors, either that or a very worrying excuse for an adult. Grow up.
July 11th, 2008
bourne - just when i don’t think you can get any dimmer you say something about the 360 not haveing any exclusives and psn matching xbox live’s features. please research, and return. you’re completely wrong on both counts. geow II and forza are two just off the top of my head. and reallty, why are you hyping exclusives? the ps3 has exclusives… that are very, very “meh”… heck even mgs4 has fallen at metacritic (the site that gamerblorge likes to quote as does ivan psp) to only one point higher than gears of war and with less reviews… the more reviews that come in for mgs4 you can expect it fall even farther as they do.
it’s hilarious to watch you clowns claim ms “rushed the 360″ to market, when the concept and design of it has been in the works since 2002, per Seamus Blackley.
it’s even funnier watching you clowns pretend sony didn’t hose their entire customer base last gen, get sued, and lost.
you never answered my question; if the 360’s reduction in price at the two year mark is desparation, what is sony’s price drops LESS than one year on the market? you are truly pathetic. if ms does it, it’s a sign of the end… if sony does it, it’s not.
you must be ivan in disquise.
you’re ignoring the most important thing that even sony forgot about. it’s not the first to market to win, but the one with the better value. the 360 price is better, more games, better online (regardless of your silly opinion), better attach ratio, more REAL power (vs. sony’ theoritical power they like to show on paper but never comes across in the gaming side) and a better development environment.
wylie - how many games do you have to load before you ps3’s hdd is all used up? i’d say prolly around 12. have fun driving to netflix at $4 a gallon, standing in line, then paying $6 to rent a movie.
Love - go away. you’re posting out of context.
DAVEP - still waiting for the “PS3 IS BEING BRICKED BY PSN UPDATE” article.
July 11th, 2008
harry - yes.. bournes a b****…. altho now that we realize that she is and underscores her inability to know anything about the industry, she’s trying to convince us she’s a guy…. kid’s got issues….
July 11th, 2008
360 was being developed since 2002? jeez, just goes to show how microsoft knew that the first xbox sucked. I bet theyre making an xbox720 right now to replace this generations mistakes.
Sony have said theyre not dropping the price of the ps3, and why should they? For that money you get everything inclusive, as well as a 99% assurance that the systems not going to die after playing 10 seconds of COD 4. Its surprising that even at the “high” ps3 price people are still buying the console. As worldwide sales are increasing.
July 11th, 2008
Xbox 360 is getting a ass kicking in everything especially games and system features. PLAYSTATION 3 is doing way better than Xbox 360 in Japan Europe Australia and soon in the NATION OF Microsoft fanboys USA.
July 11th, 2008
Why are females like Bourne always so pissy?
July 11th, 2008
bourne - being new to the tech industry, let me help you out. the FIRST of any new tech is going to have issues. the 360 is the FIRST console of its kind. (tricore) the ps3 is NOT. but hey, if you say the ps3 has a 99% success rate, i’d love to see any data or article supporting this. especially after so many ps3 were bricked by their own d/l they pulled it from service.
it’s suprising that the “120 million loyals ps owners” that sony and you fanboys bragged about hasn’t moved more consoles than MS with a userbase a fraction of that of what sony had. the ps3 should be KILLING the 360 in sales, but it’s not. with better name branding, larger customer base, more well known franchise, and a (needless) bluray player it should not be sitting in last place… but there it is.
the price reduction of the 360 is certainly something sony is not prepped for.
finally, to say the “xbox sucked” really proves you know nothing of this industry. it created 20 million gamers from NOTHING. no branding, no proven franchises, no proven online service, and a weird controller.
this is why we know you’re female. most guy gamers (not including spidey, ivan, DWH) know more than what you’re posting….
bah…who cares. you lost all cred when you said the reduction for the 360 spelled the “end”, but a reduction for the ps3 was just good business….
July 11th, 2008
Kev- first of all you complain if Bourne makes a personal attack on you. Second I think you have some real sexist issues. Third, my video store is only 6 blocks away, I ride my bike (excersise is great) and I also pay $20 a month for a membership that includes unlimited amount of movies and no late fees. And finally, I get put a new hdd in my PS3, can you?
July 11th, 2008
Harry and Kev getting married?
Lol kevin it “created” 20 million gamers. That really sums you and microsoft up if you genuinely think that. Thats friggin hilarious.
Also, i’d like to clear up the fact that im not a girl, and if i was, if this is how Kev Harry treats girls like this i dread to think of their sex/love life.
July 11th, 2008
I’m not arguing here, I don’t want any flack but this needs to be said:
Kev and Harry (If your not just the same person)
Sexism is a thorn in society and using it as a crutch for your jolted arguements merely proves your immaturity and that your statements can’t hold up to criticism.
Seriously, how old are you? 12? because if you’re any older than 12 there is no excuse for sexism, just like racism it shows that you are not a human being but some kind of monster.
July 11th, 2008
wylie - hey, bourne said she was female, not me. congrats on your blockbuster membership. you still have to leave your house, stand in line, and HOPE they have the movie you want in stock. I can put a new hdd in my 360 as they are ALL detachable. gawd…you really DON’T know anything about the 360, do you?:?
harry - it’s only becuase she doesn’t have any good games to play on the ps3. i’d be pissy too if i had paid $600 for toy that had very few games worth playing and a subpar online feature.
bourne - yes, genius.. created. just like sony did with the original ps, and nintendo did with the NES. you, lady, are clueless….
July 11th, 2008
lol so Microsoft are creating people in their factories now? Your arguments are funny because you spew so much crap that you couldn’t tell fact from opinion if i labelled it to your face. I think you ought to check the dictionary before typing to check the definition of fact and opinion.
But makes for some entertaining posts.
July 11th, 2008
lol so Microsoft are creating people in their factories now? Your arguments are funny because you spew so much crap that you couldn’t tell fact from opinion if i labelled it to your face. I think you ought to check the dictionary before typing to check the definition of fact and opinion.
But makes for some entertaining posts.
Also kev, Wylie made an excellent point. Your HDD is indeed removable, but only with microsoft xbox ones rather than the replaceable laptop hard drives like ps3 allowed up to 500gb internal or 720gb external.
July 11th, 2008
sk8man-stop whining… bourne SAID she was female. no sexism…. fact-ism…
July 11th, 2008
bourne - stop posting. they didn’t creat people and i never said that. but GAMERS… you know, CUSTOMERS..
so now you want to talk about hdd becuase you got shown up (or PWNED) on topic? rich…lmao…
wylie made no “excellent point” when you consider ps3 games take up HUGE amounts of space on your hdd, prompting you guys to HAVE to buy more than one. luckily we as 360 owners don’t have to have hdd space eaten up like that.
so tell me; where DID ms get their xbox gamers from? there were over 20 million…
i guess sony didn’t create a gamer base, nor did ninty either…
like i said lady, “clueless”…
please resist the urge to hit Submit Comment button any further.
July 11th, 2008
The reason why the Xbox 360 is getting a huge enormous beat down is because everyone in the news calls it Red Light of Death and they are all saying how great exclusives like MGS4 PS3 has which is the true. Microsoft will not win they are losing the rest of the world American is the only place they can sell their shitbox USA gamers are on denial besides me of course. PLAYSTATION 3 was and is destine for greatness anyone can see it Blu-ray Disc very reliable system free online service great games. 2 Models instead of 4 like Xbox 360 every year a new chip that still doesn’t work. Microsoft needs to stop being such money whore company everything they touch ends in the trash.
July 11th, 2008
Bourn is a Bitch? Is that true.
July 11th, 2008
Kev-this is why we know you’re female. most guy gamers (not including spidey, ivan, DWH) know more than what you’re posting…. This isn’t sexism, you are truelly stupid if you believe this. Also, you don’t know much, my membership is NOT at blockbuster and I can still wait in line and go home and watch the movie and return it before you get done downloading a movie. As far as games on my hdd, no worries, Sony has this thing were they put games on a disk, its called a bluray!
July 11th, 2008
@kev, I’m not whining, but I’ll give you the benefit of a doubt, I don’t see anywhere on this thread(perhaps it’s another) where Bourne implied his/her sex. If you could point that out that would be great
Secondly If Bourne is a female then sure I guess you calling her/him a girl is (your made up word) FACT-ism, however statments like:”this is why we as gamers can’t take you female gamers seriously.” and: “this is why we know you’re female. most guy gamers (not including spidey, ivan, DWH) know more than what you’re posting….” is blatant sexism and is uncalled for and does nothing to help your point.
I don’t hate you kevin and I don’t want to argue with you, I’m just trying to give you some helpful tips on debating so that you come across more serious and can drill your point home
You do have some good points in your posts, you just need to weed out the crap.
July 11th, 2008
Kev- one more thing in your post you said I had to leave my house like it’s a bad thing. I enjoy getting out of the house. You should really try it sometime, but be careful their are females outside.
July 11th, 2008
This is stupid.
Who gives a crap about how the consoles market share is doing. Nothing significant will happen will happen on either side to warrant any emergence for consumers. If Sony overtakes MS in Europe, is the 360 dead? No! It just means finishing in last. The affect on consumers? NOTHING more likely than not.
You guys don’t work for these companies, so why care? The games still come out, you still play your games. Live owners still have a super-massive online community. I had a GameCube and it was a big time loser. Good games? OF COURSE.
Junior market guru’s here are laughable, even if the PS3 sells more than both the Wii/360 eventually, it doesn’t negate the fact that the console is still subpar with gaming (I don’t care how many MGS4 and Resistance curveballs you throw me, they’re just not that special to me). If thats all you have to say, with the additional Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 pitches, then you’ve basically turned the PS3 into what you called the XBox - a shooter box.
All fanboys/girls of all types are losers. I own all three consoles and dont give a crap about how the companies are doing. Wii leads the market and the games on Wii are the worse of the three. Market share means NOTHING to me.
July 11th, 2008
lol
CAD- SK8Man, im not a girl , im a guy. I guess Kev took something out of context but i cant remember why he thought i was a girl.
Also Kev you get “pwned” on a regular basis, ignore facts and defend the un-defendable (i.e trying to justify that Microsoft was brilliant for replacing faulty hardware… thats such a paradox…wikipedia the word kiddies/Kevin)
July 11th, 2008
@ Wylie
Get a movie at blockbuster and get home faster than a movie downloads? LOL You’ve obviously never used/rented with a 360 before. You watch when 5% is finished, and it downloads as you watch. It’s actually nifty, just the price is a little steeper than I’d suggest MS do, but it’s nice to have every now and then.
But tsk, tsk… with your misinformed delusions! Don’t trash something you know obviously NOTHING about.
July 11th, 2008
@ Kev
Embarrassment. Don’t be too obvious you’re a fan boy, or your opinion will be completely dismissed like it has been by half of this board.
Why don’t you stop caring about how the PS3 is doing, instead of being belligerent when an article says it’ll overcome your precious 360 in Europe, probably a place you don’t even live.
*sigh* Fan boys give me migraines!
July 11th, 2008
Ron, you seem to care about how the consoles are doing, you call out fanboys but then in the same comment profess your love for a console and how much you hate the PS3, xbot in disguise? Nice try.
July 11th, 2008
bourne - maybe you’d like it better if ms took sony’s route and 1. ignored the hardware problems and then 2. blame the gamer. this is EXACTLY what sony did with the ps2.
yet when ms takes responsibility and fixes it for FREE, including shipping, they’re somehow wrong.
your hypocricy taints everything you post.
actually it was you who told us you had a boyfriend when you told me to “blow” you…. then you claimed you were a female.
bad memory…then again, we already know this…
July 11th, 2008
sk8man - if you don’t like it, don’t read it.
wylie - it’s funny you ps3 zealouts whine about having to get off the couch to “disk swap” (thus justifying the overly expensive bluray disks) yet will leave the couch to go all the way to the store, stand in line, hope they have what you want, and go all the way home before d/l a movie. once again, hypocritical…. as usual…
July 11th, 2008
You idiot Kevin, its not the replacement part, its the breaking down in the first place. If Microsoft cared they would invest in the product design more, which is why RROD shouldn’t have happened
Ps2 never had as high failure rate as 360.
Truth is, it doesn’t matter if Microsoft throw in a new car when replacing their hardware, it shouldn’t happen, and the fact you try to defend that is the most ridiculous thing ever.
I think you took that out of context. I was joking/being sarcastic when i said that. You really think i’d like to do that?…to another guy? no sense of sarcasm perhaps?
July 11th, 2008
Sorry Kev, I never said anything about switching disks Ever. Don’t try to put words in my mouth. As far as hoping they have the movie I want, I like movies if they don’t have one movie I will find another, as far as lines, I don’t think I have waited more than 2 minutes in a line at the store. They have great customer service and they don’t need a 3 warranty to buy me off with.
July 11th, 2008
@ Ron- If you don’t care how the sales are going why did you click on this article. Also, why did you post a 4 paragraph thought if you don’t care. Look out everyone here comes another Xbot!
July 11th, 2008
@ Sk8man
I called out Kev too tonto, so nice going, displaying you TOO are a fan boy - no better than Kev. Congrats.
Thank you, come again.
July 11th, 2008
@ Wylie
Call me a masochist, but I’m enticed by displays of idiocy and people suffering from the binds of fanboyism.
I am a sick sick man *bows* haha
July 11th, 2008
bourne - sony was successfully sued, ms wasn’t. you do the math. to this day sony still REFUSES to even say the ps2 had a problem. not the team you want to be rooting for.
the 360 is the FIRST console using multi processors. the first auto had problems, the first tv had problems, the first gaming console had problems, the first of ANY type of tech had problems…yet only ms should be held accountable? you = joke.
by your logic the first auto, phone, tv, radio, etc should have NEVER had any problems… gawd…
ps.. the ps3 is also having problems. let me know if you want a link…
July 11th, 2008
See what I get for trying to be nice and helping out kev everyone?
Ok kev, I’ll just look into the future that way if I don’t like it I won’t read it, but wait how will I know if I don’t like it? Well I would have to read it then wouldn’t I? Oh well, I guess your just a moron;) so what I’ll do is try not to read anything written by you. That way I can spare myself the aggravation of reading sexist, and hateful comments that have no basis in reality.
July 11th, 2008
Oh, AND “Look out everyone here comes another Xbot!” commentary - Divulging to defame a person who criticizes you with baseless/unproven labels to help get the rest of the board behind you on your just plain incorrect statement.
*sigh* I don’t think I’ll even argue with you man! Think what you want :).
PSN has the same feature as XBox live has with movie rentals. Which I hope is better (and def cheaper) than MS’s solution. So obviously, Sony doesn’t think its too bad of an idea either. I’m glad these consoles compete, b/c consumers reap benefits. Price cuts, and features in particular.
So in a way, I guess I’m in debt to fan boys. I’d like to thank you guys, for providing my consoles with blind narrow-minded fan bases to keep this ongoing console war never ending!
Even though Wii-fanboys are just laughable.
July 11th, 2008
wait wait wait, im not talking about the first anything here. Microsoft had already created a console, and its not like this was anything different. You’re said that it was the first Tri core processor crap, but thats no excuse. Microsoft has an extensive history of technology (albeit software) and massive funds so why didn’t they invest in better R&D? I’ll tell you why, because the rushed and cut corners. Why didn’t the PS3 suffer as many problems as 360? Because they took their time to create a reliable system. Imagine if Microsoft had actually created a reliable system.
Im afraid you cant defend Microsoft there Kevin, as well as i cant defend sony, although i never knew anyone who had a problem with it. The fact is, Microsoft had so many reasons to get it right, yet they didn’t through whatever reason they have.
July 11th, 2008
@ Sk8man
“Oh well, I guess your just a moron;) so what I’ll do is try not to read anything written by you. That way I can spare myself the aggravation of reading sexist, and hateful comments that have no basis in reality.”
I don’t know why you read them in the first place. He defines “fan boy” especially of the offensive type. He’s the type of person who regularly embarrasses his console’s fan base, like rednecks do in the US!
July 11th, 2008
bourne - the fact you have zero idea of what goes into a console’s design and architecture was just proven by your post. it’s a huge deal having 3 processors in one box. with over 1,700 parts it’s amazing more didn’t go wrong.
you keep saying they rushed the console. the fact is, they didn’t. when did the first psx release? then when did the ps2? same time frame as the original xbox to the xbox360 nooblet. your prob is you believed sony’s b.s. about “next gen doesn’t start until we say so”… your problem, not mine.
i don’t try to defend ms…only pointing out you and the other ps3 fanboy’s EXTREME hypocritical nature, while pointing out the ps3 is not as perfect as you claim… still waiting on proof of your 99% perfection claim on the ps3.
dude/lady or whatever you are, just give it up. all you’ve proven is 1. you know nothing of the history of console gaming. 2. you know even less of sony’s history, and 3. know nothing of the gaming business model. ie; nothing, nada, zip…
congrats..
July 11th, 2008
@ Ron You will have to forgive me for the Xbot claim, obviously you are not like Kev at all. I have posted before that we as consumers need both consoles. I come off sometimes as a PS3 flamer because I get tired of Kev and his rants. True I do own the PS3 so I am biased, but I say go buy whatever floats your boat, I’m happy with what I have, but the 360 is right for others.
I wish there was a way to play online PS3 vs. 360, how much fun would that be, well until world war III breaks out because of video games!
July 11th, 2008
wylie - don’t blame me.. you guys are the hypocrites. i simply point a light at it.
July 11th, 2008
Lol kevin, i pride myself in having an opinion, just one that i don’t apply to other people, whereas you’ve been brainwashed into thinking that the xbox is the holy grail or something and try to force everyone else to think that. It refelcts Microsofts market domination, and like their computer products ive found another option (apple) which means im now totally Microsoft free. The way you admire and try to defend Microsoft is something on another level, quite scary tbh.
If they didnt rush the xbox, why did it have so many problems? 3 processors in one box shouldnt be a problem for what, the biggest company in the world? especially when they specialize in technology.
And thankfully, im not too into the gaming history/spec like you say, luckily i play games and enjoy them for what they are without thinking “i believe the pixel count in this game is slightly higher in my ps3 version than the 360 version”.
July 11th, 2008
bourne -next time say In my opinion when you post. that way we won’t take your silly opinion as a fact.
i don’t love ms. but i DO respect them for entering the market FOR gamers. you clowns think bill g was behind it when he was not. it was a group of geeky gamers that came up with the xbox. a machine BY gamers FOR gamers. and what thanks do they get by you guys? NONE. now that is pathetic.
meanwhile you hinge on every lie spewing from sony’s camp as gospel.
you’re right tho; you have no idea of how this biz runs…
July 11th, 2008
@kev:
“the 360 is currently outselling the ps3 in both EU and north america w/o a price cut.”
Yet in previous posts you said there are no official numbers? So what is YOUR basis for making such statement as FACT????
Face it, you’re JUST AS BIASED against Sony as the PS3 fanboys are biased FOR them. Stop trying to get people here to think you’re some sort of objective commentor, your history proves otherwise..
July 11th, 2008
Kev- do you work in the gaming biz? (serious question) By the way the Xbox wasn’t made for you or gamers, they made it to try and make money.
July 11th, 2008
Hey kev, I don’t know much about the 360 like you, so I hope you can help answer my question. Thanks.
Howcome the 360 doesn’t have web browser?
July 11th, 2008
davidb - the last reported numbers for the 360 was around 5 million.. too lazy to find the link but it was an official announcement, NOT from vgchartz. sony has NOT hit anywhere near that amount as the only number they had was 2 million stated. 5 > 2. pretty easy math, sport.
wylie - it was made FOR gamers and gaming. thus answering “Love”s question, also.
July 11th, 2008
If it was made FOR gamers and gaming, why the movie downloads and HD-DVD add-on??
July 11th, 2008
Kev- if I remember right that report was from a Microsoft exec. Maybe I’m wrong, but if it was that is not reliable to me.
July 11th, 2008
LOVE - they remained “add ons” to give the gamer to CHOICE to add it. unlike sony who forces the bluray (and added cost) regardless if the customer wanted it or not.
why is sony going movie d/l if bluray was the right move? hint: it wasn’t…. as sony is learning.
that’s enough teaching for today. go read something other than PSX magazine or the SDF website… oh heck… or even this site as it’s hugely biased for sony…
July 11th, 2008
wylie - the numbers reported by ms for their sales are the same they report for SEC reporting. sorry you don’t believe them, but they would be in a world of hurt by their investors if they lied. i see that you only believe what you WANT to believe, ie; davep’s sony loving “writing”, psx.com, and the sdf.com.
you’ll go far with that philosophy, sport… lmao..
July 11th, 2008
Hey, kev, if it was for gamers and gaming, howcome microsoft won’t let people upgrade their hard drive using any laptop drive? Instead they force it down consumers to buy their exclusive-made hard drive?
July 11th, 2008
“why is sony going movie d/l if bluray was the right move? hint: it wasn’t…. as sony is learning.”
YEAH, they learn how to add more features to the PS3 so they can make more money, while at the same time still offer blu-ray to hi-def lovers.
It’s a win-win for them and a win-win for their fans.
July 11th, 2008
Can’t say the same about the 360 HD-DVD add-on though. That was a flop.
July 11th, 2008
Kev- I never saw any report on that, it was a exec. speaking in an interview, again I could be wrong, but that’s what I remember. And as we all know those numbers are not official in interviews, it could of been nothing more than propaganda. When Sony said they were winning EU you didn’t believe them. Don’t they have investors? Also, doesn’t everyone believe in what they want to believe. If someone told me something that wasn’t believable do I have to believe it? Or didn’t you want to get into philosophy?
July 11th, 2008
WOW, im amazed at how misguided kev’s perceptions are.
July 11th, 2008
Kev- you need more material, we went through the Sony movie downloads a week or two back.
I will spell it out to you one last time OPTIONS.
July 11th, 2008
You guys notice how Kev often makes claim he can’t back? And then he either bring back old material, or he tell us we’re all noob and he’s done educating us for the day. LoL
July 12th, 2008
Let me get this straight… @Wylie. You are putting me in the same catagory as Ivan PSP ??
Could you please clarify this for me ??
July 13th, 2008
“# Love:
July 11th, 2008
Hey, kev, if it was for gamers and gaming, howcome microsoft won’t let people upgrade their hard drive using any laptop drive? Instead they force it down consumers to buy their exclusive-made hard drive?”
1. The PS3’s HDD is user replaceble yes, but it also voids your warranty with sony, and i can garranty that most gamers wouldn’t know the difference between a 3.5″ HDD and a 2.5″, let alone an SATA and PATA. And lets not forget that Replacing the OVERPRICED HDD on the Xbox 360(yes i sayd it over priced) is alot easyer and alot safer then opening up your PS3 and replacing the Drive. Don’t get me wrong i could reaplce the HDD in the PS3 in a eart beat( i build PC so it’s a no brainer) Remember your console is not a computer, even though Sony swears up and down that it is.
2.Exclusive made HDD? are you shure you want to talk about exclusive made? Almost everything sony make is propriatery. Can you say UMD, MS, Bluray & MiniDisk?.
3. Joe shmo would be complaning about RROD after trying to install his own internal HDD (probably getting PATA and SATA cofused), and then blaming Microsoft for making a bad product. Thats probably a good reason why M$ didn’t make the HDD in the Xbox 360 inter-changable with a standart Laptop HDD.
July 13th, 2008
Um, I’m pretty sure you don’t void warranty to replace your HDD in a PS3. They actually provide instructions.
July 13th, 2008
To Devilcry2k6:
1. Installing your own HDD into the PS3 kills your warranty with Sony? Duh. That’s why we do it after the warranty is over. It’s simple.
2. It’s not exclusive if you go for an HDD not made by Sony. For the 360, it has to be the one MS made.
3. Yeah, and Joe shmo would be complaning about PS3 firmware update bricking their system as well. Just cause they didn’t do the update properly, and then blaming Sony for making a bad product.
July 13th, 2008
Oh and by the way Devilcry2k6, installing your own HDD into the PS3 does not necessary mean opening up the entire PS3.
There’s an insert slot, all you have to do just pop the old drive out and in with the new.
That’s it.
I don’t know if what you speak of is true or not, but I don’t care. If it does break the warranty by inserting your own HDD into the PS3, then so be it. You take responsibility for what you do, if you screw up, it’s your lost.
July 14th, 2008
To Love
1.Again whats the advantage of putting a really high capacity HDD in your console. Shit i think 80GB even 120GB is sufficient. And to stay on point making a proprietary HDD is nothing to right home about. Atleast the lion Batterys in the Xbox 360 controler is replaceble, which is far more important then a replaceble HDD
2. Again i fail to see why a proprietary HDD is a big deal considering that most everything on a console is propriatary on a console.
3.making bad firmware that bricks a console isn’t the users fault. Im shure if M$ made a bad update you would be all over it. Infact i could have said something about it, but i was replying to your comment about the Xbox 360’s HDD, nothing more.
Spideydog - actually you are right about the warranty, it will not void the warranty if you follow the instructions to the letter. I just found a copy of the PS3 safety manual:
http://www.playstation.com/manual/pdf/PS3-02_03-1.5_2.pdf
July 14th, 2008
To Love:
i Never said replacing the PS3’s HDD meant opening the whole PS3, bu tnone the less you still need a screw driver. You don’t just pop the drive in.
page 14-16:
http://www.playstation.com/manual/pdf/PS3-02_03-1.5_2.pdf
don’t really care what you say the propriatary nature of the Xbox 360’s HDD makes it easy to replace, they even give you a cable to ghost the information from your old HDD to the new one. Personally i don’t like proprietary techonlogy, but in consoles i make an exception.
July 14th, 2008
@ Spidey - Sorry but I don’t know what you are talking about. I don’t think I said anything about you or Ivan. I can’t imagine putting anyone into Ivans category.
July 14th, 2008
wylie - if OPTIONS are good (per your post) then the 360 giving the gamer options instead of forcing a bluray drive on them is the right move.
thanks for agreeing that options are better. the 360 has more.
July 14th, 2008
love - hey genius. ms does not make the hdd. nor do they control the margins. which is why the costs are as high. they’re made from Isupply. do a google with this and you’ll find an interview with ms.
wylie - i TOLD you why sony isn’t to be considered credible. they ONLY stated information from vgchartz. NOT their own data. i won’t even address the looooooong history of lies from sony…
July 14th, 2008
Kev- what kind of options do you have to watch hd movies on your 360? Downloads, that’s it. IF you don’t want a PS3 than why do you care that they put a bluray in it? If as you say the bluray ran the cost of the PS3 up and that’s why it is in last place shouldn’t you be happy they included it? And finally, as I said, you can make up your mind that Sony isn’t credible(I’m not saying they are) but I can make up my mind that MS isn’t credible either.
July 14th, 2008
Kev- to explain options better is like this, the 360 was made for gamers by gamers, so it is what it is a game counsole. The Ps3 was made for more than one demographic. That is what I prefer, so get over it!
July 14th, 2008
To Devilcry2k6:
Not everybody is like you, some users need the big HDD space to store all their files. Game Save files, Game demos, HD Movie trailers, HD movies, MP3, picture files, etc and so forth. So to some, it is a necessity.
Better to have a big HDD when not need, then to have a small one and run out of space.
“making bad firmware that bricks a console isn’t the users fault”
It IS when the user didn’t do the update properly. As I said, but apparently you didn’t read that right.
To kev:
So what if MS doesn’t make their HDD, it does not change the fact that a require HDD is needed for a 360.
Yes, a PS3 HDD has to be a specific laptop size type as well, but atleast with that you can find all sort of available GB size in the market.
August 23rd, 2008
man i love these fanboy wars!!!! =)
i wanted to point out one thing though…the only reason sony isn’t dropping the ps3’s price is because they are losing a lot of money making it as it is..actually at this point, it might be impossible for sony to even break even this generation…meanwhile m$ is making money on every console sold along with the wii, and for every console, they sell like 8 games.