Sony: PS3 will beat PS2 sales – Reality: Way behind Xbox 360 & Wii

July 22, 2008

Sony: PS3 will beat PS2 sales - Reality: Way behind Xbox 360 & WiiAs we sit here today, do you think the Playstation 3 has any chance of beating the sales total of the PS2 or PS1? No, didn’t think so. But Kaz Hirai, President and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment does think so, or at least, he’s very hopeful. This is despite the reality of the situation, which sees the Wii and Xbox 360 massively ahead in terms of lifetime sales.

Sony had a brilliant start to their life as a games console manufacturer, when it released the original Playstation, which completely changed the gaming landscape back in the mid-90s. Then it built on that success, and the many gamers loyal to the brave new brand, and released the PS2 at the turn of the millennium. Which proved to be even more successful.

Now, here we are 8 years later, and the aptly titled PS3 is selling in average, but not exactly superb, numbers. Okay, it’s been helped by a good June in the US, where the release of Metal Gear Solid 4 pushed it to 3rd place in the monthly hardware rankings behind the Nintendo DS and Wii, but one good month does not make for a great selling console.

In an interview with the Financial Times, Hirai spelled out his aim for the PS3 to exceed the sales total of both the PS1, and PS2. These consoles sold 102 million, and 140 million units respectively, which puts the Playstation total to date of around 14.4 million units to shame. Regardless, Hirai stated:

It’s not fun for me replicating the PS2 numbers. I’ve seen that movie already. I want to try to see if we can exceed the PS2 numbers after nine years, otherwise why are we in this business?

Don’t get me wrong, the Playstation 3 is indeed a fine console, and the games available for the system are starting to get better and better. But I really can’t see it beating the lifetime sales of the PS2, unless Sony plans to carry on selling it as its leading console for the next 20 years.

There’s only so many people interested in gaming, and buying a games console, and at this point in time, it seems a fair portion of those are buying the Wii, while the core market the PS3 is aimed at, is sticking with the 8-year-old Playstation 2.

For Sony to really achieve its goal, a few things need to happen: the price needs to drop substantially, making the PS3 as cheap, or cheaper than the Wii; Blu-ray needs to take hold of the general population, and not just audio-visual geeks; and the big exclusive games need to keep on coming.

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76 Responses to “Sony: PS3 will beat PS2 sales – Reality: Way behind Xbox 360 & Wii”

  1. Addam:

    “For Sony to really achieve its goal… the price needs to drop substantially, making the PS3 as cheap, or cheaper than the Wii”

    Do you really think that Sony will ever reduce the price of the PlayStation3 that substantially? Given that it’s not particularly viable at its current selling price, to reduce it by almost half is not going to happen anytime soon. The reason the Wii is so much cheaper, is not just because of the R&D costs of the PS3 but because the components that make up the console are far cheaper, given the technology used.

  2. Wylie:

    @ DAVE PARRACK

    Hey Dave, I know you search the web for articles and I’m not saying you have to write an article on this. However, have you ever come across any numbers on how many PS3’s bricked after the 2.40 firmware update? Just curious, I’ve never seen any numbers, not even estimates. Please post back and let me know if you have anything.

  3. Bourne:

    I’ve got some figures for you Wylie, it was around 1 console, made up by Kev in his fantasy life.

  4. DaveP:

    Wylie: I’ve never seen any figures on that, not even around the time 2.40 was removed. It’s one of those things that seems to have existed solely on forums.

    Bourne: Lol, that’s definitely a possibility – there are a lot of Kevs around the Interwebs.

  5. Bourne:

    To be fair, both Sony and Microsoft should just release their figures to the public, much more credible.

    Anyways folks i’m off to Canada tomorrow for three weeks so i maybe on/off here depending on wireless network availability.

  6. kev:

    davep- here you go fanboy. pages and pages of reports of the ps3 being bricked.

    learn to write.

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ps3+brick+2.4

  7. kev:

    my question is; why was there not even an article. you seem to like to report rumors. this was a reality and you ignored it to show ps3 in a positive light.

    the fact is; you only had ONE site reporting the elite rrod, but posted it as fact. you had MAAAANY sites reporting the ps3 being bricked and you REFUSED to report on it.

    you= fanboy.

  8. Addam:

    kev: I also thought it was odd that there was no article on the XMB v2.4 fiasco. I found out about it from various other sources and thought it was odd that it made no appearance on the site. I’m not sure Dave is wholly responsible for it not being reported though. Surely another contributor could have posted it?

  9. AaronSOLDIER:

    kev -

    Number of results for 2.40 brick – 117,000

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ps3+brick+2.4

    Number of results for Red Ring Of Death – 938,000

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=red+ring+of+death&btnG=Search

    LMAO! =D

  10. Josh:

    I hate to break it to you but the PS3’s sales are almost identical to the PS2’s. It would be foolish to think that the PS3 is not capable of the same success. With the 360 falling so far behind in monthly sales it will unlikely act as a stumbling block to the PS3’s market penetration for much longer.

    http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS&reg1=All&cons2=PS2&reg2=All&cons3=PS3&reg3=All&weeks=88

  11. Bourne:

    Thats a good link Josh well found, and when comparing x360 to PS3, we see that the PS3 is beating it

  12. kev:

    bourne – of course it’s a good link to you. it’s pro-ps3. ignoring the fact vgchartz does not use sales data in their “estimates”. read their disclaimer…

  13. Arvis:

    DAVE PARRACK,

    Wii Owner =/= Gamer. If you like games and only own a Wii, sooner or later you’re gonna have to get a 360 or PS3 in order to attain any satisfaction. My roommate’s Wii only gets used at parties and he’s not planning on purchasing any new games for it this year. On the other hand, REAL gamers like Kevin and Bourne have plenty to look forward to this year…

    -Arvis

  14. Bourne:

    lol, if microsoft admitted it was being beaten by ps3 it would still be ps3 and you’d manage to find a reason as to how sony have bribed microsoft to admit that Kevin. Just admit it, jeez.

  15. Bourne:

    lol, if microsoft admitted it was being beaten by ps3 it would still be biased and you’d manage to find a reason as to how sony have bribed microsoft to admit that Kevin. Just admit it, jeez.

  16. kev:

    bourne – ignore the facts, attack the poster. at least you’re consistent…

  17. Bourne:

    Kev – whatever you want lord.

  18. CAD:

    Hey Kev good job. You owned on everyone of those comments. These guys are really pathetic they will find anything and call it truth. VG Charts what a joke. And the PS3’s that bricked oh that was a lot of pages on google that talked about it. Bourne is the biggest looser of them all he talks so much shit.

  19. Sagarat:

    Dave Parrack,
    Why dont you actually reasearch sales numbers before wrighting about console sales?

    Looking at from-launch figures, PS3 has sold better that PS1, PS2, and X360, so if it keep up the same sales, should out-perform the PS2.

    And, if we just consider the starting average – about 15mil in 1.5 years averages at about 10milper year, and 90mil after 9 years. All Sony need is regular price-cuts, and a 50% increace in sales volume, which may be difficult, but far from impossible.

    Again, if you don’t actually reasearch sales figures, why pretentd to talk inteligently about them?

  20. Mr Sparkle:

    Like it or not CAD and Kev (and Harry wherever he is) u can’t ignore (well maybe u 3 can) that the sales of ps3 will surpass the 360 soon(it’s gettin pretty obvious). Sooner or later ur just going to have to accept that the 360 just doesn’t appeal to everyone.
    And stop congratulating each other, it’s just makin u look like egomaniacs.

  21. jake:

    well the ps2 sales were around that in the first yr or 2 and kept growing like i think the ps3 will

    games will grow in size and i think devs will want to make them on blueray so they can make huge games

    plus you say the sales are behind xbox and wii but its ahead of xbox in europe and japan

  22. JofaMang:

    Not a single person in my full PSN friends list has had a bricked PS3. Of my friends with 360 (50 at least) I fixed 17 rrod 360s. Only Anecdotal evidence true, but it proves to me at least, that the 360 owners with big mouths and small units to compensate for try to dance on every ps3 rumour. I own 2 PS3s (my wife and I both game pretty hard) a 60gb from release, and an 80gb since last christmas. I have never had a problem other than COD4 freezing up once a month or so, on my 60gb. I feel confident in my media investment.

    How much dust has accumulated on your HDDVD drives, anyhow?

    Just ignore the 360 fanboys, they are ahead of the curve only when it comes being sore losers.

  23. Spideydog:

    Bah hahahahahah….Kev owned everyone CAD.

    Hey, Kev and CAD do the same google search, but replace ps3 brick with RROD and see how many hits you get…now thats embarresment. More eggs for you Kev, how bout an even dozen this time.

    The “bricking” issue was THAT bad that they even had to extend warranties, they got sued over it and consoles melted……oh hang on, that didn’t happen, so it must not have been that bad at all….. only for desperate xbots that are looking for anything to rival RROD, to make them feel better.

    Additionally, I am sure this has been pointed out to you before, but the bricking issue was reported on here. But as usual it didn’t make it past your rose coloured ms filtered eyes.

    Even when they report a somewhat negitive ps3 story, you and your cohorts are still not satified. Sooks (oh, by the way Kev, that means “cry baby”, in case you forgot)

  24. CAD:

    You see Kev this is what happens when they get owned, they get pissed off and resort to talking shit because there is nothing they can say. Make it out of third place first then you can shoot your mouths off kids.

  25. harry sachz:

    Yeah, why wasn’t there an article here about the P$3 2.4 bricking problem??

    Kev, CAD, I agree. We post something that is true and damaging to their shiny dust collector, and they go on the attack against the poster.

  26. Spideydog:

    Hey Kev and Cad, heres some free advice:

    1. Grab a notepad and evertime you post something here, make a note of it.

    2. Everytime you go to post on here, go back and refer to your notepad and think:

    “Am I going to contradict myself by posting this, do I really need more eggs on face experience”

    If you find that you are going to contradict yourself, stop, have a breath, rethink and then again refer to before mentioned notepad.

    Enjoy. It’s free advice.

  27. Marcelo:

    Hey guys I’m new here!
    But anyways, the Xbox360 is outselling the PS3 in Japan, its holding its lead in Europe and has outsould the PS3 almost every single month in the US this year, no way Sony is ever gonna be 2nd Place. Oh shit sorry I got that wrong, it was the PS3 doing it to the Xbox360… Sorry… :-)
    Everywhere you search, it says that the PS3 is selling faster than the PS2 did in the same time frame, I don’t know how it can not outdo the PS2.
    Now the Xbox360… it hit the same amount of user it had in the last gen, around 20 Mil. and it’s having a hard time getting past that.
    If only half of the PS2 user decide to pick a PS3, that would be more than enough to secure 2nd place.
    No one is taking 1st place from Nintendo this Gen I’m afraid… :-(

  28. SW:

    My 360 semi bricked out of the box the first time I tried to update it.

    I had to keep rebooting the fucking thing with Ninja Gaiden 2 loaded until it finally took the update (otherwise it just booted to a purple screen). I’ve read tons of forum posts where people had to get their units replaced because of the same issue. Guess I got lucky O_o

    Point is, maybe 2.40 bricked a few machines but MS has way more than their fair share of unit failures(RROD) bricks and semi bricks.

    Altho I do prefer the 360 interface over the PS3 one :)

  29. Spideydog:

    So being put in your place CAD is talking shit is it…. LOL

    I rebutted your failed arguments, including the fact that the so called bricking issue WAS reported here and whats the next comment…. “why wasn’t the bricking reported here”

    Pretty much proves you guys do not read anything on this site and just go off your own tangents.

    Yes CAD, I attacked the poster, because the credibility of the poster is what I take issue at. I also post reasonable arguements with that so called “attack”. What is the best argumens ou guys come up with….. no argument or valid points, just “we owned them” talkin about “owning” You don’t even “own” your own brain, you borrow one off a goldfish with a 10 sec memory span…….Now thats an attack ;-) By the way, I think your brain rental is overdue and needs to be returned. Don’t want any late fees now to go with your streamed netflix rentals.

  30. harry sachz:

    The bricking issue was never an article here. If you can find the relevant article and post the link, i’ll apologise, but until then, i am calling your bullshit.

  31. Spideydog:

    Look a little harder at the “disclaimer” Kev. Your selective reading prowess being displayed again…..

    The estimate is gained form tracking data from point of sale retailers and benchmarking/comparing with KNOWN reference points, manufacturer shipment figures (for one example)……….sounds pretty damn accurate or pretty close to me.

    Soooo CAD, Kevin “owed” eh !! looks like you like sharing some of his eggs. You want some bacon with that ??

  32. SW:

    http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/07/07/patched-ps3-firmware-v240-coming-wednesday-xmb-trophies-at-last/

    Is the article that talks about the 2.40 bricking.

  33. jaime:

    The PS3 sales are good, and keep in mind, those sales were with a higher price versus other consoles.
    There are 130+ millions of PS2 owners in the world and growing, in fact the PS2 sold 100 millions more than the original xbox, clearly not all this PS2 owners had upgraded to the PS3, as soon as the PS3 hit the $299 the sales will go to the roof and increase exponentaly.
    The PS3 will sell well more than 150 millions.
    The Wii maybe even more at this rate.
    But the xbox 360 NOT, not even close, already reached their peak sales and are in sharp decline even with huge price drops like in the UK its outsold by the PS3

  34. jaime:

    The PS3 sales are good, and keep in mind, those sales were with a higher price versus other consoles.
    There are 130+ millions of PS2 owners in the world and growing, in fact the PS2 sold 100 millions more than the original xbox, clearly not all this PS2 owners had upgraded to the PS3, as soon as the PS3 hit the $299 the sales will go to the roof and increase exponentaly.
    The PS3 will sell well more than 150 millions.
    The Wii maybe even more at this rate.
    But the xbox 360 NOT, not even close, already reached their peak sales and are in sharp decline even with huge price drops like in the UK its outsold by the PS3 with a higher price

  35. jaime:

    sorry the double post, i may touch my laptop touchpad while typing my comment before finish it and didnt notice until the page refresh

  36. Bourne:

    please refrain from touching your laptop as this is fairly disturbing jaime. Again with the sexual frustratedness engulfing this site.

  37. Jeremiah:

    This article seems quite ignorant of the PS2’s early sales records. Currently, the PS3 is right on pace with the PS2’s sales. To think that the PS3 could outsell the PS2 in 9 years with a growing market to do it in is not farfetched.

  38. me:

    @Josh

    This one is scary;

    http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS2&reg2=All&cons3=PS3&reg3=All&weeks=88

    Wii is killing PS3 and PS2

  39. Spideydog:

    Wow Harry, looks like you have joined the Kevin and CAD line up for eggs and bacon…good work buddy ;-)

  40. CAD:

    Harry and Kev we might be going a little far by asking a Pro PS3 Site to post something negative. What were we really thinking!

  41. Mark:

    “Reality: Way behind Xbox 360 & Wii”

    PS3 sales are now VERY close to 360. The gap in Europe has disappeared (despite a 18mont 360 headstart), and in US it’s closing fast.

    360 Sales: 18m
    PS3 sales: 14m

    By Feb next year, it’s easy to see a scenario where PS3 will have caught up, or even overtahen 360.

    As for the Wii, that’s irevellent. The people that are buying Wii’s would never buy a PS3 or 360.. My mum just bough a Wii/WiiFit yesterday. It’s a totally different demographic. Anyone that thinks Wii sales are even related to PS3/360 sales, is a idiot, and frankly should not be pretending to understand gaming.

  42. kev:

    spidey – uh..you really need to learn to understand what you read. thanks for proving my point. lmao…. btw; you DO remember they had the ps3 “sellling” 2 million in first 3 weeks of launch right? guess what… didn’t happen. btw; point of sale retail transactions are not reported to anyone outside of one’s organizations. go ahead keep using it tho. the ps3 fanboys are the ONLY one’s using vgchartz. i wonder why… lmao…

    CAD – i think you’re right. i used to think it was just a coincidence they didn’t report anything negative about the ps3, but now am seeing it’s their strategy. i’m not certain if this is a sony-planted site or a real one.

  43. robb:

    lol i can only laugh at the xbox defence brigade. I was trying to find the page but simply could not be bothered, you know the one where kev threw a fit and was like ‘i’m not coming back here again… sony this… sony that… DAVE PARRACK!…’ and all that. But what d’ya no? He’s back! Honestly kev, if you wana keep visting here, thats great, it makes it more fun for all of us, but honestly, saying you aint gonna come back but then come back again the next day makes you look really pathetic.

    I just dont see why its so hard to say something good about the PS3 to you lot. I’m quite pro-sony, and I’ll be the first to crictisise the PS3 where necessary, but I’m getting an xbox tomorrow. Shock horror! But then again I guess Sony is the devil in your eyes and M$ is God whilst the Master Cheif sits at his right hand.

  44. harry sachz:

    yeah that article talks about the patch. However when PS3 were bricking, there was not ONE article here about it. When someone’s Elite supposedly got a RROD around the same time, DAVE PARRACK decided to post a story about that.

  45. kev:

    they need to change it from Gamer.Blorge to Sony.Blorge. the writers know little gaming but EVERYTHING good about sony…

  46. CAD:

    Heah, I call for a name change too. Sony. Blorge is it.

  47. CAD:

    Check our their statement. Do you think they live upto it?

    About BLORGE
    BLORGE is a highly integrated network of news sites covering technology, Vista, Macintosh, gaming, photography, and much more. It was founded in October 2006 by journalist, writer and publisher John Pospisil (john@blorge.com).

    Our team of international writers is dedicated to providing gutsy, honest and informed coverage and comment on key technology news and issues, without fear or favor.

    We serve the global IT community.

    We want to inform, stimulate and entertain. We want to provide a fresh, independent
    perspective.

    Our motto is “technology with attitude”.

    BLORGE.com is owned and operated by Cogent Insights Pty Ltd, which is based in Sydney, Australia.

  48. kev:

    CAD – “honest and informed coverage and comment on key technology news and issues, without fear or favor.” – absolutely fails in this area…

  49. CAD:

    I know. Isn’t that so funny.

  50. tgrass21:

    First firmware update actually worked on my PS3, the new one after that , the ” fixed update ” bricked my PS3 oddly enough.

    People need to realize that game sales are going up and on pace with PS2 because video games are accepted on a much wider scale now.

    PS2 was for geeks and nerds. Now familiies are getting PS3 or 360 for all round entertainment HUBs.

    Half of PS3’s sold are for Blu Ray. My dad ( 58 years old ) got a PS3 as the cheapest blu ray player. He has 1 game still in the plastic.

  51. CAD:

    Tgrass

    That is the problem. Your really can’t tell who is buying for games or Bluray. So I guess it comes down to software sales.

  52. SW:

    “PS2 was for geeks and nerds. Now familiies are getting PS3 or 360 for all round entertainment HUBs.”

    I actually disagree with the PS2 being for geeks and nerds, the PS2 became ‘cool’ and chavs etc started to buy it for games like GTA etc etc.

    I suspect the PS3 is slightly out of the chav $$$ range and at the moment the 360 has the ‘cool’ edge imo. (cool being popular opinion)

  53. Arvis:

    CAD,

    You just posted a very thoughtful sentence on the nature of a gaming console and it’s place in the worldwide market…. good job. Why can’t you try and make ALL your posts this good? ;)

    -Arvis

  54. Mr Sparkle:

    Stop congratulating each other u egomaniacs!!! Ur worse than the Screen Actors Guild

  55. harry sachz:

    Nice posts CAD and Kev. I think $ony.blorge have definitely forgotten their mission statement! haha

  56. SW:

    Ha Sparkle :)

    Well blorge touched on the bricking as far as i am concerned, even the sony blog posted it.

    No one tried to hide it, it just was’t that big of a deal. 10,000 people could have had thier machines bricked and its still a drop in the ocean compared to RROD. But I do agree maybe DP didn’t report it as much as he should have ;) (was Ferro posting much back then?)

  57. Wylie:

    Cad- why does it matter if they buy a PS3 for games or movies? A sale is a sale. I think its well proven that Sony built it as a media hub, so to them movie attach ratios are just as important as game attach ratios. They need money coming in on both sides. You keep pointing out that Sony isn’t paying for exclusive titles, but they have two sources of revenue, actually three with downloads. So it might not be as important for them to seal up exclusives like it is for MS.

    tgrass- I disagree, I think the 360 and PS3 are for gaming geeks. Look at how many posters throw out gpu’s and frame rates, what the processers do and so on. Sounds like computer geeks to me.(not that that’s a bad thing).

  58. Allshelle:

    I’ve been watching Xbox360’s sales on Amazon.com and Buy.com since the price cut. On Amazon, Xbox360 was in top 10 best sellers in video games for one day, or may be two! Currently even in top 25. Amazon.com: PS3: #9 360: #25 On Buy.com, PS3: #12 360: #6 On the other hand, PS3 has been consistently in Top 10 on Amazon.com FTA: “For Sony to really achieve its goal, a few things need to happen: the price needs to drop substantially, making the PS3 as cheap, or cheaper than the Wii; Blu-ray needs to take hold of the general population, and not just audio-visual geeks; and the big exclusive games need to keep on coming.” Well, it will happen gradually. The author wrote this assuming that Sony wants to achieve this goal in a year or two.

  59. Wesley:

    is this a brick thread or a sales thread???

    I think the PS3 sales will sky rocket ….. ONE DAY still many moons from now, no one i know owns a PS3 anyways only 360’s i have a wii laying around at home but one one pays attention to it anyways .. And ill admit it i had one of the 1st 360 versions ,that gave me RROD after 11 months .. And went exchanged it and no heart aches.

    And plus maybe u guys never heard of a PS3 bricking up because Almost no one owns one, or wants to play their 5 game collection over and over again waiting for new games that arent ported while the dust covers the console ,till it eventaully does brick up. I thought that would be obvious.

    But Sony will pick up… eventaully, Who cares about exclusives anyways, gaming is suspose to be fun, not… HA i got this exclusive and ull never ever be able to play it because ur crappy console doesnt have blue ray! I only have like 2 exclusives and 13 ported games same as your console , but guess what myne has blue ray…. WAIT ILL SAY IT AGAIN IN SLOW MOTION….BLLLLLUUEE RRRRAAAAYY…

    omg lets just entertain ourselfs

  60. Matt:

    PS3 will NOT do as well as the PS1 or PS2. The reason is simple…price. That’s really all their is to it. I have a friend in Brazil, who says Wiis are going for about $600, while the PS3 is going for $1750! Now, there was not even the mention of the 360, but when you’re nearly triple the price of the competition, what chance do you have?

    Even in America, the PS3 is well out of the reach of what most people are willing to pay for a gaming console. And you can talk about all the other features until your blue in the face, until someone says it is not a gamining console, the games are all that matter.

    If the PS3 had the inferior hardware like the PS2 and PS1, it would be cheap and on track…to sell like the PS2 and PS1. Sony has done what Nintendo did with the N64 and GC, though, and put out a stronger machine that appeals to few, and its carrying the heavy burden of a huge price tag.

    Sony will be a distant second unless it can quickly cut prices to get the more casual gamers that made them a success before.

  61. harry sachz:

    Third matt, a distant third….

  62. mgs fanboy:

    the PS3 seems gaining momentum.
    but a metal gear game on the 360 will make the 360 solid on second place.
    and a metal gear game on the wii will end this gen’s console war.

  63. kev:

    wylie – a sale of a game has a much higher (and badly needed) profit margin than a bluray movie. a sale from their movie side of sony does not mean the money goes into SCE coffers. different lines of business. the ps3 is just a bluray tool for sony’s movie/format plans. three sources of income is nice if one of those isn’t going to directly impact the plans of another. bluray is THE strategy for sony. it’s why the ps3 costs so much, it’s the reason they (bribed)negotiated hd dvd out of the market, and its the reason sony is taking huge losses.

  64. Wylie:

    Kev- I agree, and sales of games is a higher profit margin. However, some people did buy a PS3 just for movies, so it is important how many movies are sold. I’m not saying that movies are just as important, I’m saying its another source of revenue that the 360 does not have. And yes I know they have movie downloads and Netflix, so don’t get started on that.

  65. Arvis:

    Matt,

    You’re not taking into account the expanding market. More people are “into” gaming now than in the PS2’s heyday, and in 8 years, that number will have increased further. 150mil is not an unreasonable goal for any of the Big Three.

    -Arvis

  66. Spideydog:

    Kev, you are delusional if you believe “the ps3 is just a bluray tool for sony’s movie/format plans” Blu-ray movies/format is all apart of the overall package, which includes gaming.

  67. Wesley:

    Have you seen a price of a blue ray disc not to mention the blue writers, they are insane the technology is just too new no to mention ahead of its time, with too little recources to manufacture more of these discs.. Ive only seen Verbatim making these disc on blank media in south africa and they sell for about R200=$22

    So there isnt any competion really thats why its still expensive, dont you guys remember when dvds just launched it was day light robbery just to buy a dvd movie

    And ive read on other forums is more difficult to program games for ps3 as what it is for a xbox 360 because its a pc based layout with direct x and so forth. that will bring me back to my 1st point , blue ray is still a new technology everybody is still getting theyre head around the new technology. It will take time for people actauly to notice how great the blue ray is :)

    Atleast PS3 can say they have a pirate proof console havn’t seen one chipped released for it, and lets face it you’ll pay +/- price for a copy as for an original lol

    Purely Multi media in my eyes

  68. kev:

    wylie – the number of bluray movies “sold” is still sketchy as sony included the free movie bundled with the ps3 as a “sale”.

    it’s odd you consider a movie sale, which monies get divided up to many more people than just a sce game, an important source of revenue but xbox live is just a rip off. when it’s a very successful source of revenue for ms…..

  69. kev:

    spidey – just when i couldn’t think you guys could get any sillier, you say something like that.

    sony even STATED their intention of dominating the format market BECAUSE OF the ps3. the ps3 is just a tool to get bluray into the house.

    you may not know this, as you know very little about sony, but ken kuturagi even went on record stating, “we’ve never once called the ps3 a gaming machine”, referring to the ps3 as movie player FIRST, and game console SECOND.

    please go read…

  70. Matt:

    Arvis,

    While I do understand that the number of gamers is increasing, I have to wonder how much appeal the PS3 will have. I do have to wonder that about ALL of the consoles, though, as Nintendo has been stuck in a niche the last couple of gens and MS can’t seem to shake the image that its for frat boys only.

    The success of the PS3 may depend on the success of bluray. If bluray doesn’t take hold of the market and succeed DVD, its not produced in large numbers, and prices stay high. If it does take hold, prices can fall and Sony can grab quite a few people at the end of the PS3’s life, when the PS4 is out.

    I do think 150 million is a lot for any of the consoles right now, though, because this gen sees a more even split. Even as Nintendo runs away with it, its unlikely they sell 150 million. I think we’re still a generation away from gaming to be that popular.

    That being said, I can see a time in the future where games are played as commonly as movies are watched, so I believe it will happen, but I don’t think gaming is quite popular enough for that quite yet.

  71. Wylie:

    Kev- first thing first, I have never said XBL is a ripoff. Actually I have stated it more than likely helps to pay off studios for exclusive content. And movies are not as important as games, but they are still important.

    Second, yes the PS3 wasn’t called a gaming machine, it is a Home Multi Media Center. They didn’t call it a gaming system because it is much more than that. That’s why people like myself bought it, we wanted more than a gaming console!

    If you ever read my posts you will notice I usually don’t put down the 360 too much. If that’s what you wanted that’s fine with me. But in fairness, I can make my choice of what is best for me!

  72. Arvis:

    Kev,

    How do you come to that conclusion from that quote? They’re saying that the PS3 has many functions. At what point do they say that gaming comes second?

    -Arvis

  73. Spideydog:

    If you knew how to “read” kevin, you would understand in what context people are talking . Instead you frequently take people “out of context” to suit your arguements.

    You tell me to ” go read “. I tell you to goa nd learn to read and understand english.

    When starting, my ps3 goes directly to the gaming area of the xmb, not the movie section…not bad for a “movie first” machine.

    Get things in context, before spewing verbal dellusions to suit your argument.

  74. Spideydog:

    If you knew how to “read” kevin, you would understand in what context people are talking . Instead you frequently take people “out of context” to suit your arguements.

    You tell me to ” go read “. I tell you to go and learn to read and understand english.

    When starting, my ps3 goes directly to the gaming area of the xmb, not the movie section…not bad for a “movie first” machine.

    Get things in context, before spewing verbal dellusions to suit your argument.

  75. woot:

    I would much rather get a ps3 and slap a 320gb hard drive in it (which I did) than get an xbox, get a wifi key, pay $50 for xbl, only have 120gb max internal, and get a standalone blu ray drive. (wow, there’s a hole in the wallet)
    Plus, mgs4 is sweet! Think how much compression and DVD disks it would take to port over to 360… Ps3 has a retardedly obvious advantage on storage.
    And it’s obvious that blu ray’s gonna replace DVD. What’s the point in buying a HDTV if you’re gonna watch sdtv on it?

  76. Wesley:

    The facts stands if this is a multi media device at choice of the consumer why put in a killer chip to make it 1.2 powerfull then the 360 if they dont expect people to use it primarily for gaming doesnt make sense

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