Sony will not drop PS3 price despite Microsoft’s prediction
Recently, a head of the Microsoft Xbox division predicted that Sony will cut the price of the PS3 in the coming months. This is contrary to what the Sony execs have said recently. It is ironic Microsoft would criticize Sony’s decision to not drop the price given the company’s past history with the original Xbox.
In a recent interview, the ever so likeable Aaron Greenberg stated that Sony will drop the price of the PS3 in the coming months, while also criticizing the company for not doing so earlier. He said, “We absolutely expect the PS3 price drop to happen in the next couple of months. We’re frankly surprised it’s taken this long. … I would expect they’d have to move on price, sooner than later, for sure.”
Given the fact that everyone knows how expensive the PS3 is to manufacture, especially with next-gen techs such as the CELL BE and Blu-ray drive, it is curious as to why Greenberg thinks Sony would further continue to toil in the bottomless money pit price cuts lead to. When in fact, former Microsoft Game Studios head, Peter Moore indicated that the primary reasons why the original Xbox was discontinued was because having a hard drive on every unit was killing their profit.
It is one thing for us, the consumers to complain about high prices, but for a fellow professional competitor that has been in the same boat before to play the public fiddle seems a bit transparent. Should Sony discontinue the PS3 and release a Blu-ray-less Playstation? It is a thought, but that would not be feasible considering Sony’s business paradigm. There is also a small matter of current projects eating up billions of development dollars along with the PS3’s past library of games.
Right now Sony is between a rock and a hard place. The company wants to drop the price to have sales spikes similar to what we have seen in 2007. Even before we entered the holiday season, Sony already announced that the company has lowered its expectations this holiday. Basically, indicating that the company was ready to bite the bullet and ride the PS3 for the long haul.
I wrote a story recently talking about how close Sony is to breaking even on the PS3. According to the iSuppli teardown, the PS3 costs approximately $50 more to manufacture then the selling price. Even though $50 may seem low, it still adds ups to quite a bit if you sell several million units.
Sony is determined to profit with the PS3 no matter what. If the company drops the price now, Sony will never get out from behind the 8-ball. The company not only wants to break-even but get it to a point where they can drop the price and still be profitable. David Reeves, President of SCEE reiterated this point by stating:
The most important thing for us as a company in the very short term is for us to start making money. This is a pledge that was made last March and is something that we are still very much on target to achieve. Once we have achieved this, I think it will be a very exciting time for PlayStation. Once we have alleviated that specific pressure, we can move forward at a rate of knots.
If you read between the lines to what Reeves was saying, its obvious that the company made a decision back in March to not drop the price on the PS3 until the company alleviates that “specific pressure.” So, will Sony drop the price soon? Chances are most likely not.
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January 6th, 2009
“We’re frankly surprised it’s taken this long”
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“We’re frankly surprised it’s taken this long and it’s still selling…maybe we shouldn’t have lowered our price”
January 6th, 2009
lock_down, who are you? Who do you normally post as?
January 7th, 2009
It’s psychological warfare. Imprint in the mind of someone who wants a PS3 that a price drop is coming and that person(s) will hold off on buying a PS3 until such said price drop occurs.
You’re right in that Sony won’t drop the price, not right away and not with KZ2 imminent. But it will eventually drop the price.
The PS3 is doing fine. Game makers, just make your games, if you are good at what you do then there is nothing to worry about. Game players, play your games, there is so much to choose from and in the end you get what you pay for.
January 7th, 2009
I think they’re on a decent track right now, just keep the console at a steady price until they break even, then they can think about lowering the price slightly. Its going to take a long time, but they will eventually make a profit. 2010 here we come!
January 7th, 2009
You need to look at the bigger picture.
Sony are in serious trouble right now (with the seruious press full of stories about a big fight going on right now for future direction the company is going to take – there is much talk of ’slaying sacred cows’, make of that what you will).
The fact is that Sony have lost many $ billions on BOTH the PS3 & Blu-ray and it’s been happening for many years now.
I read somewhere that Sony now do not expect to ever recover the R&D spend on Blu-ray (and if costs & sales stay similar on PS3 for much longer I would probably expect similar comment there).
That $50 loss mentioned on each PS3 is only their better reduced loss happening now, previously it has been much higher.
The fanboys might not like to hear it but the coming recession is going to hit the CE corporations (obviously including Sony) hard. They just do not have the room to cut prices for while.
Microsoft are just having a little fun with this.
They are a far richer company and will weather the storm (Microsoft measure their profits in the $20 billion + p.a. and have done for years.
Sony – in a good year – measure their profits in the couple of hundred million…..and it’s been a while since they sustained decent numbers).
This is not taking a dig at Sony, it is just how things are right now and the outlook for Sony is not great – expect to hear news about the struggle for their future direction soon, Stringer was reported in The Times (the London paper) as heading for a ‘back me or sack me’ moment with his radical restructuring plans.
January 7th, 2009
Didn’t they also predict they would be making a profit before now?
January 7th, 2009
gotta love the doom and gloom BS from 360 fans.
In the time frame both have been out the ps3 has outsold the 360. Surprisingly as it is a lot more expensive of the two.
Rumor has it MS is laying off 17% of their work force this month.
January 7th, 2009
happyhockum… wow… Microsoft makes BILLIONs in PROFIT!!! WoW!!! That must mean their products are the best… which means everyone else sucks… so we should all buy a 360 because they have better games… it all makes sense now…
stick to video games… leave financial predictions to Pacter… or to suits… they are the only ones who care…
January 7th, 2009
why?? why care about company bullshit… if you bought a console to keep track of companies… then rant in neo gaf or MS forums…
seriously… fuck off… we post hundreds or comments… and NOT ONE is about games…
January 7th, 2009
Typical.
The PS3 supporters club just aren’t interested in rationally discussing the truth of the present financial situation (for rather transparently obvious reasons, were the situation reversed I bet they’d be all over it) and instead try to turn this into the usual game console ‘verses’ cr@p.
It obviously escaped the notice of some that this thread is about the wider economics and so, just perhaps, stories about the current financial performance of each company are 100% relevant.
dwh
If you want to equate the economic performance of each company as meaning who has the better games then I think you’re on your own there.
I said nothing about the relative merits of each console or their games here.
If you’re not interested in discussing the financial stuff then I suggest you stay out of threads all about that (which this one most certainly is).
phranctoast
After this winter/X-Mas’ sales I think you’ll find that your PR spin comment (a tortuous tale of ‘relative time-lines, ffs talk about ‘reaching’) is now well and truly out of date & totally inaccurate.
January 7th, 2009
…..and dwh
If you’re going to start trying to tell people to f*ck off here then I suggest you take yourself away and cool off a tad.
Your over-emotional BS is just laughable.
Do you work for Sony or something?
Why so ‘involved’ in it all, huh?
January 7th, 2009
happy… look at the name of the site… its gamer blorge… not game companies and console manufacturer blorge…
your high school level economics theory is plain stupid… how do you know microsoft can whether a storm??? how do you know how much profit they make… or what their business strategy is… or how they are having fun… if you actually had those knowledge you would keep it to yourself… because smart people dont go around telling people how much they know…
sure you dont make the comparison between profit margin and quality of games… but the argument of who makes the most money always leads to the quality of games…
the price of the PS3 has been $150 off for the past 1 month or more… it didnt boost their sales… which proves people just dont research before buying something… walmart bundles in tons of games with their consoles… yet I see no one posting it on the net… yet you high five each other on the fact that a 360 costs $200…
as I said… shit like this… leads to more flame baits… more fanboy pandering… you can either continue to talk about numbers and look like an idiot (cus Microsoft sure as hell doesnt care about your predictions… they hire professionals for that)… or you can talk about video games… stuff you played this week… what you liked what you didnt like…
when you were younger and had a NES or a sega… did you care how much profit they made??? then why do you care now???
January 7th, 2009
Id love to work for Sony… Id love to work for Microsoft… working in the game division would be awesome… but Id rather work for Blizzard… lifetime subby to WoW is really cool…
I get pissed because your stupid “predictions” and analysis doesnt help or convince anyone to do anything… you can take this time and energy into either playing the console you talk about so much… or discuss the games that you gloat about so much…
January 7th, 2009
dwh
Carry on trolling if you like, it’s only yourself you’re making a t*t of.
How do I know how much profit companies like Microsoft make?
I read.
Try the financial press if you’re really interested (which I doubt), it’s not too difficult to find out.
Why do I think they can weather the coming storm?
Well as one of the highest earning companies on the planet (they made net profits of $5 billion in the last quarter alone – and have truned in that kind of performance for years) they are best placed to.
Of course no-one can be absolutely certain but then again if the people making that sort of (net) profit don’t survive then what chance anyone else?
You’re quite right though, I shouldn’t have said “Microsoft were having a little fun with this story”.
I couldn’t possibly know that.
If you reckon they were deadly serious and pressing Sony to cut prices (instead of putting a stort about the price differential in the press) then work away. If you think that makes more sense.
Like I said, instead of your odd version of what I am doing (smart people dont go around telling people how much they know!?), I am ddiscussing a financial story and putting financial facts out there to go with it.
The problem here (as seems to be a trademark of yours) is that you say you want to compalin about people not discussing games but yet you are the first person in to reduce this to the usual boring ‘verses’ flamebait.
In a thread about finances if I feel like it I’ll talk about what I know or have read about finances.
You seem to have missed the fact that this thread is about financial side of things.
Oh and by the way, talk about giving yourself away…..”your stupid “predictions” and analysis doesnt help or convince anyone to do anything”.
Well that might be the (laughable) reason why you comment here but it isn’t mine.
It’s a discussion forum.
You seem to be far too emotive about it all.
Why not get out a bit more – or better yet go and play on that console YOU seem to spend so much time here trying to talk up so much.
You’re the 1st to hurl the verbal abuse and then talk about flamebaiting!?
What a hypocritical joke.
January 7th, 2009
this article has nothing to do with finances… its about what one company said about another one… and whether one company is gonna do something or not…
I dont see where billions of profits and weathering a storm comes into question… I should talk about how the xbox lost a lot of money… but look at the 360… they learned from their mistakes and did something good… I hope Sony learns something from not making profits on the PS3… I hope their decisions get better…
see now what Im doing… Im getting off topic… at its heart… this is about video games… not about companies and their policies… no matter how much you know or how much you “claim” to know… you wont be any better than a troll in the forums who say things like “PS3 SUXORZ 360 HAZ MORE GAMES”
because you put more importance on the console manufacturers balance sheet than the games they have…
if you know so much… start a blog… you can name it “GAME COMPANIES BLORGE: No video games here”
Im gonna change the topic now… cus this is again pandering to the fanboys… this is how it always turns out… talking about finances… they bore me…
so tell me… has anyone play castle crashers after the new patch?? did anyone play End War??
can you do all the combos in SSF2THDR with the 360 controller?? I found the PS3 Dpad very easy to pull of quick combos.. did anyone play it with an arcade stick??
January 7th, 2009
Yeah righto dwh.
Finances bore you, it that’s really so then why bother posting here in this thread then, huh?
You claim a thread about pricing has nothing to do with finances and profitability etc etc?!
Well if you say so.
…..and I suppose your telling people to “f*ck off” earlier was intended as a warm-hearted ‘get along nicely’ compliment too, eh?
Sure.
January 7th, 2009
Happyhockum, you’re getting a bit carried carried away.
Microsoft last fiscal year had revenue of $60.4 billion. Sony had $88.7 billion in revenue.
Microsoft has roughly $70 billion in total assets. Sony has about $118 billion.
Microsoft is not a “far richer company” and, like Sony, is in no position to “weather the storm” without action.
“Microsoft measure their profits in the $20 billion + ”
No, Microsoft measure their profits circa $5 billion over a fiscal year.
“The fact is that Sony have lost many $ billions on BOTH the PS3 & Blu-ray and it’s been happening for many years now.”
The key word in that sentence is “lost”. Not “losing”.
The iSupply tear-down revealing a $50 loss on each console simply has to be wrong or outdated.
You cannot break even on the PS3 OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, which David Reeves has consistently said they will do through FY 2008/2009, if you continue to still sell it for a loss.
Once they has achieved this, they can work to reduce the consolidated $3.3 billion loss that they have incurred over the past 2 years.
Microsoft is in the same position with the Xbox 360. They are making a profit on the current consoles, but are still paying off the loss that the whole Xbox project has cost them.
January 7th, 2009
Bwah!! You know how
January 7th, 2009
Bwah!! *throws up in mouth* You know how I absolutely despise that tub of goo Aaron Greenburg! Mike please do not disgrace GamerBloge with his presence.
January 7th, 2009
DWH while you alway want to talk about games and point out that this is Gamer.Blorge.com you seem to forget the title of this post by Blorge. “Sony will not drop PS3 Price despite Microsoft Predictions”. If you want to talk about games go somewhere else but don’t harp about talking Financials because you know nothing about it. I work for a Brokerage company so these discussions are intresting to me.
As for the MS comment I personally think it is a Dig by MS. I think they egging them on to make a price cut so that their stituation becomes worse. Because really PS3 is more then 8 Million behind in sales compared to MS 28 Million 360’s sold. and MS is 12 Million behind the Wii. There is also 17 Million Live users now which is great. But even though 360 does not have Wii #’s there in a good position now compared to PS3 and Sony owning all those studios does not seem to help because it’s more overhead under 1 banner. Sony is truly in trouble right now and every report on the internet and news shows them in a bad light because they have made a mess of their financials and have made bad decissions. Yeah MS is laying off people, it comes with the times. They even closed a studio because they understand cost cutting. Something Sony is figuring out but MS is still in a good position going into a recession.
January 7th, 2009
and I own Microsoft… since I said it in the Internet it must be true… if you want to talk finance… go to a Finance forum… write in the Wall Street Journal… dont bring them in a gaming blog…
its funny how you guys predict the doom of the PS3… with so many studios and games that Sony owns… guess what… they arent going away just because you say so… damn… now Im talking about them as well…
also yeah… I dont like that picture of aaron Greenberg… looks like those smart ass fat guys I knew in high school… they pissed me off…
January 7th, 2009
“phranctoast
After this winter/X-Mas’ sales I think you’ll find that your PR spin comment (a tortuous tale of ‘relative time-lines, ffs talk about ‘reaching’) is now well and truly out of date & totally inaccurate”
I guess we’ll see. 20 million ps3’s sold in 2 years or 28 million 360’s sold in three. The Math is easy. Stop selling the ps3 short and making it look like a financial disaster.
Sony always figured they were in it for the long haul.
I will admit I believe they need a price drop this year though.
In a way what MS is doing is causing FUD in buying a ps3 by potential buyers that may be waiting for a price drop. Holding off on Sony potential sales. Kind of the low blow I’d expect from them though.
January 7th, 2009
NAH NAH NAH IM NOT LISTENING!!!
January 7th, 2009
Ok… I feel a little better.
Sony has to deny the price drop is coming. If they confirmed it, any potential buyers would hold off until the scheduled drop. Sony has stated that they have cut manufacturing costs by 35%. And they cut manufacturing costs while still providing a working, reliable product.
At any rate… the price drop is coming in 2009. They might try to coincide it with one of there large first party releases. Sony has so many great games lined up for 2009 it’s hard to pin point which one.
January 7th, 2009
DWH this might not be the Wall Street Journal, but finance is still important. What happens if Sony drop the price and it doesn’t sell?
They’ll lose even more money.
The outlook for Sony is gloomy; but it is certainly not as bad as some would have you believe.
It is commendable that Sony has sold 20 million units when at its cheapest the PS3 is $399.
Sony needs its internal studios now more than ever; to make the PS3 compelling.
I have said before and re-iterate that Gran Turismo 5 is hugely important for Sony, especially in Europe; as evidenced by the fact that the franchise has sold over 50 million copies.
If GT5 was on 360, the argument for getting a PS3 diminishes. Over two million copies of GT5 Prologue were sold, so GT5 is important for Sony; and even more important that they own the franchise.
While we can talk about other franchises, the Gran Turismo franchise is the one that will ultimately decide the longevity of the PS3.
As for Greenberg, I think it is two fold. It probably is a dig, but I bet Microsoft is still a little surprised that the PS3 is still selling given its price point.
January 7th, 2009
who knows if it’s a dig, but it’s not their place to speculate either way.
maybe if greenberg spent more time focusing on the 360’s marketing and games, he wouldn’t be having his backside handed to him by the wii.
seriously tho; if sony reduces the price, the loss per unit increases. with the low attach ratio and very little revenue coming in from their “free” online network, it’ll be near impossible to recoup the losses. rock and hardplace. lose/lose any way you look at it.
stringer has commented recently that sony will be making mass adjustments to the co. how it will affect the ps3 and their gaming division remains to be seen, but most know that some sort of adjustments need to be made.
January 7th, 2009
phranctoast,
Sony should do well enough to survive for the long haul, agreed. I do think Sony predicted they would have a profit margin by this time, though they have fallen short of reaching those predictions. Maybe this year they will see a profit. God of War III can’t hurt.
January 7th, 2009
lock_down
“No, Microsoft measure their profits circa $5 billion over a fiscal year.”
– Sorry bud but you’re wrong there.
Here’s reputable proof –
“The firm (Microsoft) made a $4.37bn profit during the first three months of its financial year, up from $4.29bn a year ago, while turnover rose 9% to $15.06bn.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7687844.stm
Microsoft profits are almost always discussed in quarterly terms.
Like I said they turn in net profits around the $5 billion level & $20 billion p.a.
Way way more than Sony earn.
Revenues whilst an important number are pretty meaningless if you have no idea of the net profits earned from those revenue numbers, quite clearly Microsoft make far higher profits on smaller overall revenues (assuming your numbers to be accurate, I have not checked).
The assets number again is interesting but is often outdated (does that Sony number take account of them selling off their Cell tech to Toshiba & IBM recently, for instance?) and has little bearing on the operational profitability of the unit.
Those attempting to turn this into a typical tedious fanboy ‘verses’ argument – and that’s only because Sony are the financially weaker here, if it was the other way around I’m pretty sure the Sony fans would be more than happy about discussing this – are barking
(& barking up the wrong tree).
It’s a legitimate discussion given the thread topic.
The interesting part is how things are going to work out and whether The Times was right in saying Stringer is going to fundamentally restructure Sony – including slaying several ’sacred cows’ as they reported.
I don’t suppose we’ll have too long to wait but the fanboys who don’t want to hear it surely are in the minority here.
(and the initial “f*ck off” along with the ‘trying to “convince” people’ comment says it all really, if you didn’t know where some people are coming from you sure as hell do now)
January 7th, 2009
The fact that I have a Sony Ericsson phone that is not recognised by the Sony PS3 shows exactly what the adjustments are that need to be made at Sony: integration of existing devices and services.
It is something that Sir Howard has talked about, and something that is ongoing.
When you think of all the parts that make up Sony, it is ridiculous for example that they are struggling to catch up in the music business, even though they own one of the four largest.
A truly integrated and compatible Sony would give greater value to the consumer than the sum of all its parts.
January 7th, 2009
if sony reduces its prices… it will sell as much as it did the last coupla months… cus guess what… they need to market the hell out of it… again… who knew about the Visa card?? how many people used it?? Unlike Halo… unlike Wii… most of the PS3 games are not mainstream… games like God of war and Uncharted and infamous… by mainstream I mean people outside the gaming community arent familiar with it… why would they buy a PS3 for games they never heard of??
see this is why discussing financial shit for games are in no way useful… it just leads to more fanboy trolling… same arguments come with this topic… kev comes in and “quotes” stuff… people bitch about how lil games they have… its a clusterfuck… and you know what… the next day… we find another article just like this one… and nothing ever changes…
thing is… stuff like this gets a lot of attention… the same as “Comparison between PS3 and 360 graphics” in other websites… these never help… and is a waste of the writers money and time…
and GT 5 is a LONG way away… the devs are talking about bringing new content for GT 5P… and the people who bought the game are idiots… you should buy half done games… that gives the devs reason to nickle and dime you… its like Pain… they have a half done game… and in order to play the full version… you gotta pay $10 more to get all the content…
in other news… I got the entire year to save up for a 360… hopefully the Elite will cost less than $400… Im keeping my fingers crossed…
January 7th, 2009
“if sony reduces its prices… it will sell as much as it did the last coupla months”
…and that helps Sony how?
“GT 5 is a LONG way away”
Debatable. I think it’s pretty much done but they’re waiting for permission from all manufactures to allow them to do damage. They may have even started working on damage “unofficially” so as not to prolong development should they get permission.
As I’ve said, most people want Gran Turismo to have damage; it’s the most complained about omission from the series, yet has still sold 50+ million.
GT5, online, with damage, only on PS3 would be hugely enticing.
Now all I want is a Top Gear space in Home so I could race people on the Top Gear Test Track…
January 7th, 2009
I would argue God of War is a hell of a lot more mainstream than Uncharted and Infamous combined, the problem is it is not yet a PS3 game, and for those who are buying now, they can’t even play the old ones unless they have a PS2. Fortunately it is still selling well.
January 7th, 2009
it was a sarcastic comment lock down… Im trying to tell you that even though the PS3 was $150 off for the last coupla months… sales didnt help… because you never saw ads for it… only saw a buncha animation for PS3 games on the shirts of some random people…
GT 5 is a long way away… 2010… I read it in an article… I remember posting the link here… not my fault you guys didnt click it…
the article said that they were coming up with new content for GT 5 P… and they havent decided on GT 5 yet… so dont hold your breath on it…
also if Grid can have damage with cars… why the hell cant GT 5?? its fucking riddiculous…
I played Gran Turismo once… didnt like it… I like Burnout better… but I would probably give GT 5 a try…
January 7th, 2009
well carl… I meant mainstream as in… people who do not have a lot of knowledge about video games… still know what Halo is… they know what Mario is… they know what the Wii is…
they do not know what God of war is…
January 7th, 2009
I’d agree; God of War is not mainstream; although I bet Sony will work hard to ensure that people are aware of GOW3 by the time it’s near to release…
So it’s all the more bizarre that the trailer shown at Spike was pretty poor. I hope that was old code.
For advertising, Sony just absolutely need to bring back the “Do Not Underestimate The Power Of The PlayStation” ads.
They were wicked.
January 7th, 2009
well I knew about the Greek Mythology a lil… but after GOW I am a total fanboy of greek mythology… which is why norse mythology (and Too human) never interested me…
they just need to show an ad with Kratos… and in the background music say
God of war… you kill a fucking god with your own bare hands… you already killed Aries… now youre gonna KILL FUCKING ZEUS!!! If you dont buy this game your a fucking pussy…
that has epic win in my book…
I love you kratos… kill my enemies for me please
January 7th, 2009
Okay, not as mainstream as halo or mario, because it is not in that many tournaments and it has not yet been released for PS3 (and hopefully it is worth the wait). But it is gaining momentum. “people who do not have a lot of knowledge about video games” still know what it is for the same reason as Halo… they have seen it or heard about it. Maybe not as many, but quite a few.
January 7th, 2009
After playing God of War, what I don’t now know about Greek Mythology simply isn’t worth knowing.
January 7th, 2009
If they don’t plan on doing shit about Backward computability, they could at least get GOW1 and 2 on psn before the third one comes out. Believe it or not, there are people that never played either (sad…….)
January 7th, 2009
well see carl that kinda pisses me off… we have so many good games… no one knows about them…
if only people knew you can kill gods… I sure Sony can find a market from the Atheists just like Ninty did with the casual gamers…
just make more god killing games… easy…
January 7th, 2009
phranc… goddamit.. .Im gonna hate myself for doing this… but… I dont think they are gonna start working on BC till the PS2 sales die down…
since people are still buying the PS2… theres no reason to put BC on the PS3… I hope they can put BC with a simple patch… I would instantly buy dozens of PS2 games (originals)
so I doubt they will put PS2 games on the PSN till they can put BC with a simple patch…
and when that day happens… Im gonna buy a fucking 500gb hdd… WOOO HOO
January 7th, 2009
I just want to say Kevs post was the best one I have ever seen him post. In no way did he put his opinions as facts and there wasn’t really any fanboyism in it either. Congrats Kev, it would be nice to see more posts like this one. I would have to agree on pretty much everything you said there.
January 7th, 2009
I’ve got the PS3 that had software BC in and it’s well dodgy.
If they put BC in the PS3 by firmware then it’ll need to be better than it is now.
January 7th, 2009
yeah wylie but I didnt get why he quoted the “free” on PSN… thats a weird branch of sarcasm…
January 7th, 2009
I wonder how many more PS1 games they will sell over PSN in the meantime, let alone PS2 games in the future. I’d buy them, but still… pretty blatant.
January 7th, 2009
I hope thats not the reason they are holding back. As far as I’m concerned the ps2 and ps3 hit on two different markets and the only reason is price. Some people will spend $400 on a system, while others nothing more than $150.
I’m wonder if the ps2 will hit the magic $100 number soon.
I know people that are holding back on getting a ps3 until they can play their older games.
January 7th, 2009
I wanna buy the old ratchet and clank games… too bad Sly cooper is only PS2 and jak and daxter is also ps2…
gimme some good ps1 games… also… there arent a lot of ps1 games on the PSN… and the three that Ive seen so far… are like 500 mb… which makes me laugh… thank you technology for my 80 gb hddd
January 7th, 2009
well phranc… PS2 still sell in hundreds and thousands… there are tons of good games there… its good if more people are buying it… I hope they graduate to the PS3…
anyway… what 360 games have you guys played?? any castle crashers??? or Gears 2??
January 7th, 2009
When sales of the $129 PS2 slow down, it’ll probably then go to $99, and then when that dries up, I reckon it’ll be dis-con and then PS2 compatibility will be put in via the PS3 firmware.
It makes business sense to still sell the PS2 if it’s selling.
And anyway, playing PS2 games on a PS2 doesn’t eat as much electricity as playing PS2 games on a PS3…
January 7th, 2009
I hope we get BC on the ps3… for my sanities sake anyways…
so what games have you been playing??
January 7th, 2009
games I’m currently playing:
Resistance 2 and Prince of Persia. I’m returning Fallout 3 since I got it as a gift and my brother has that also. I’m using my Amazon gift card after buying six book to get Bioshock with the difference.
They should keep me occupied until Killzone 2(feb 27), followed shortly by RE5 (mar 13) and Riddick (mar 24).
Ill have to chill on the games soon as there is a ton of concerts I want to see in the late winter/spring.
January 7th, 2009
lock_down and his PS3 are waiting for this years games to be released…
January 7th, 2009
holy shit phranc… hows PoP?? you like the easygoing theme of the game??
also… hows R2 multiplayer?? any lag?? no problems online??
January 7th, 2009
Almost finished with R2 SP and MP is pretty damn good. Haven’t experienced lag or any problems online…other than lots of people being better than me since I got it around Christmas time.
I hardly scratched the surface on POP as I wanted to beat R2 SP before I got to into the game. I got through the tutorial and I’m at the world map
January 7th, 2009
lock_down,
Not to mention, do I really want to burn out my disk drive by playing PS2 games on my PS3. Mine does have backwards comp. but I usually play PS2 games on my PS2. I just don’t want to take the chance of burning it out. Between blu ray movies, and PS3 games it gets plenty of use the way it is.
January 7th, 2009
I don’t know about burning it out. I played many a PS1 game on my PS2 and that is still going strong after nearly seven years, so I can’t think why it should be different with the PS3.
Even in spite of the crazy amount of juice it drinks, I would prefer to play PS2 games on the PS3; there’s more memory storage and wireless controllers (how did we ever cope with wired controllers!), but the software BC in my PS3 (and I guess everyone in Europe whose PS3 had software PS2 emulation) is really bad so it’s worthless.
I think Sony are probably taking their time to ensure that the PS2 emulation software they will likely bring to all PS3’s via firmware will work straight away with PS2 downloads or discs to ensure it won’t be a disaster.
Sony wouldn’t want a repeat of the 2.4 update saga!
January 7th, 2009
Wylie77,
“burn out” your disk drive??? Is that even possible on a PS3?
January 7th, 2009
What is the big deal about GT5 really. I’ll even throw Forza in that mix and to some extent Project Gothem because when these games were huge they were good at the time but Sim Racing is really boooring. With the Need for Speeds and My personal favorite Midnight Club and I got to mention Sega Rally and Pure and Burnout and Colin Mcrae and Motorstorm and the others, these games are just so much more fun. I prefer a arcade style control over simulated any day.
January 7th, 2009
GT sales speak for themselves CAD. GT5 is, will be, a big deal…for Sony at least.
My favourite arcade racer (literally) has to be Daytona USA. Many of my pennies on holiday were spent in that machine…
January 7th, 2009
I had read some articles about that being a worry when the PS3 first came out. All I’m saying is, since I have a PS2, and it still works, why take the chance. Plus, how many movies did you watch on your PS2. I watch a lot of blu ray movies and I doubt I will be able to afford a new player for a while. It took a lot to talk the wife into getting a PS3. I don’t think she would go for me spending another $400. I need this one to last awhile. I do see your point on the wireless controllers and storage though.
January 7th, 2009
I wonder if Sony could re-release the slimline PS2 with wireless controllers.
That would be brilliant. I’d buy that.
January 7th, 2009
I think I would go for that too lock_down. That would beat my controller extension cord running across the room to the couch. I’m sure I’ll need a new PS2 before long anyways.
January 7th, 2009
They might be hard to find now, but I have a third part wirless controller for my PS2. I think it’s a Logitech.
January 7th, 2009
I love it when the PS3 vs 360 war (which is bad enough) turns into a ‘my company is better/more profitable than yours!’ war…
So, which company gives better benefits to thier employees!
First correct answer recieves a cookie!*
*There is no cookie.
January 7th, 2009
Good, cookies make me fat anyway.
January 7th, 2009
THE COOKIE IS A LIE!!!
CAD I think GT has a lot to do with branding… as it was one of the first race sims on the consoles… I always like burnout better… liked to crash stuff…
so GT not my game…
January 8th, 2009
SW,
Didn’t see “war” here, but what do you mean? Console’s parent company’s success has nothing to do with the console’s success? Console’s success has nothing to do with the parent company’s success?
lock_down,
Definitely go with the Logitech wireless, it is the best.
January 8th, 2009
Precisely Carl B
…..but the protest, distraction and attempts to switch topic and avoid any discussion of this came from the ’support’ of one brand of console only.
Yeah, no interest in any sort of “war” at all there, eh?
Excuse me whilst I sew my split sides back up and go find my head that just fell off so I can wipe the tears of laughter from my eyes.
January 9th, 2009
HH,
I didn’t say “no interest”, just that I didn’t see it (yes, sorry, temporary blindness). And after sewing your split sides back up, in looking at “console war”, how would the company’s responsible for the console’s success not be connected to it and it’s future success?
January 9th, 2009
Carl B
Both of the companies concerned are so diverse and not so dependent (albeit to a much lesser extent with Sony) on their game consoles.
So the connection is not as obvious as might be thought.
Having said that Playstation is of course a much bigger deal to Sony than XBox/XBox 360 is to Microsoft, that’s just a fact
(as I showed earlier Microsoft made up the entire 5yr+ ‘loss’ on the mk1 in a single quarter).
January 9th, 2009
Happyhockum,
So the connection is there and it is significant, and that is all I was trying to communicate to SW.