Greenberg responds to Hirai – So Xbox 360 will win after all
Kazuo Hirai, normally such a mild-mannered, well-spoken gentleman seemed to turn into Perez Hilton recently when he made some dubious claims in a magazine interview. After suggesting Sony was still leading the industry, the Wii wasn’t a competitor, and Xbox 360 suffered from a lack of longevity, the snark was always likely to be delivered back to him with both barrels.
I know some of you will hate me for writing this article but when one industry leader starts bitching, the others were always likely to join in, especially Aaron Greenberg, who makes a habit of such things. It would be wrong of me to report one side of the story and not give a right to reply to someone from the Xbox camp. Nintendo clearly doesn’t care because no matter what anyone says, the Wii and DS are winning anyway.
In the red corner we have Kaz Hirai, Chairman of Sony Computer Entertainment. And in the blue corner we have Aaron Greenberg, Director of Product Management for Xbox 360 and Xbox Live. Let’s take Nintendo out of the equation for the moment because this is all about PS3 versus Xbox 360.
Hirai went on the offensive for the first time in my memory banks (although they are rather failing at my age) when he suggested that the Xbox 360 “lacks longevity.” He also stated “there’s no way that at the end of a life cycle our competition is going to have a higher install base.
Our good friend Aaron Greenberg couldn’t resist replying when asked to by The Bitbag. He said:
This sounds like an old hardware company that’s comfortable with its market position. That complacent attitude is out of touch with where the industry and consumer is today. This generation won’t be won over just hardware specs, but who can out-innovate when it comes to online and software. This is the kind of stuff that’s in our DNA, and frankly moves the console war onto our home court.
I’m confident we will outsell the PS3 throughout the entire generation by providing more innovation and building the best and broadest games library while growing our entertainment experiences on the leading online network. With a U.S. install base lead now of more than 7 million units (according to NPD), I can’t imagine any scenario where the PS3 can catch up with us. In fact, even if you doubled the current PS3 sales and Xbox 360 remained flat, they couldn’t close the gap until 2014.
I was already skeptical of Hirai’s statements, although my sarcastic response was possibly too subtle for some. Now I’ve read Greenberg’s take on it, I’m utterly convinced Hirai had been drinking heavily the day he was interviewed by OPM UK.
Sony does sound a tad complacent at the moment. It’s refusing to be swayed in dropping the price of the Playstation 3 until it’s ready to; it’s refusing to change its advertising efforts from the subtle and arty brand awareness crap to something a little more tangible to mainstream gamers; and it seems happy being in last place out of the current-gen consoles.
The PS3 and Xbox 360 are both fine consoles which I’d recommend at the drop of a hat to anyone looking to enter the industry. But the level of professional hatred and rivalry between Sony and Microsoft seems to be bubbling ever closer to the surface. Can’t we all just get on and enjoy our gaming?
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January 22nd, 2009
I didnt know Dave knew Important american Icons like Perez Hilton… did you wiki it or something???
anyways… both of these people are douch bags… soon we will all forget this lil quarrel cus then we will have something else to talk about… just like Cliffy B before the launch of Gears 2…
so lets get this over with…
Ahem…
ZOH MY GAWD!!! RAWR RAWR RAW!!! dis guy so biaseed… rawr rawr… RED RING YOUR ASS!!!
RAWR RAWR!!! yeah red ring my ass… rawr rawr… no harry Im tired tonight… rawr rawr…
there… its over… no more… lets put two bullets in Kaz and Aarons head and move on…
January 22nd, 2009
God i love KAz he’s sucha legend. He’s so cool
January 22nd, 2009
BOURNE!!!
dude… I neeed you help… how the hell did you finish this shitty game on veteran… I DIED MORE THAN THIRTY TIMES!!! JUST ON THE FIRST AMBUSH ON THE FIRST LEVEL!!!
I need some tips… or Im gonna go all Halo 3 on people I know… this game is sucking the life outta me…
January 22nd, 2009
Hahahah… The way i did it is just play it until your fingers are bloody and raw from playing it so much…
Also i know its obvious but take cover! don’t let your enemies flank you. BUt for the most part you’ll die from grenades, instead of throwing them back just run away.
And dont use ridiculous weapons (i.e using a bazooka in a small space) Most of the time you’ll have to duck and cover to get kills. Peek out from a rock or whatever, then give them a blast from a machine gun, then cover again and dont pop back out until your health is back to normal or your asking to be killed.
January 22nd, 2009
Yeah it was pretty obvoius that Kaz was high when he made that speech. But Arron is right. It does sound like a company comfortable with it’s position. Because the ony strategy that Sony seems to have it to keep the PS3 allive until it can actually make some money. The PS3 probably will have a 20 year life cycle. Meanwhile, “The Innovators” MS and Nintendo will be moving on to better and bigger things while Sony cleans up it’s mess.
January 22nd, 2009
It’s really sad because it was Sony’s market to have and they screwed that right up with their arrogance and lack of innovation. I think if that actually moved out of Japan they would actually understand the world and the market they were suppose to own and understand the meaning of compitition and learn that just because your on top does not mean you become complacent. If Apple just rolled over and died because of MS they wouldn’t be here today. They got off their ass and innovated their product to be right up their with MS. If MS had become complacent with their market dominance Apple would be on top but their not because MS is always reinventing the wheel. That’s why I will stay with the company that’s always keeps their ear to the street because Sony’s arrogance has lead them to not even understand their own customers. Lets look at Ipod for a moment. When Apple was innovating and came with the Ipod it could play music, look at pictures and play movies. All Sony did was come out with MP3 players that did nothing more then play music. Sony owned the Walkman and now it’s the Ipod generation. Lack of innovation and happy with being complacent. And thats pretty much the story for every product Sony produces. Yet you guys Love your Sony and the PS3 that is pretty much copying anything MS is doing.
January 22nd, 2009
ipod ripped of creative. That’s why they have to pay a royalty fee to them for every ipod sold.
For MS innovation see Lips.
January 22nd, 2009
Sony don’t lack innovation, they just misjudged the market badly and released a product that appeals to the tech savvy few instead of the mass market. Nintendo saw that and did the right thing. Microsoft have been trying to straddle both markets with some degree of success. In the meantime Sony are haemorrhaging money with their new console, and thanks to the economic downturn are unable to spend their way out of it by lowering prices. Including Bluray in the PS3 was a smart move for Bluray, but didn’t do their console any favours, as it has increased manufacturing costs. This is further compounded by the fact that not every PS3 sale has been to a gamer due to Bluray. Considering Sony Gaming division make most of their profit from software revenues, they can’t be too happy that a large part of their subsidized consoles are going to non gamers.
January 22nd, 2009
Sony’s lack of innovation? What the hell are you talking about?
Sony made gaming what it is today.
When Sony entered the market there were on franchises to steal; no exclusivity deals to be struck; no DLC extras to be nabbed. There was nothing.
Developers went to the PS for the very reason that it was innovative. Why do you think the PS1 sold over 100 million?
Sony re-invented game media with the CD and then the DVD. They introduced rumble to controllers.
“that is pretty much copying anything MS is doing”
How can Sony copy MS and bribe developers to make a game for their system when they have no money?
And while Sony is going through an undeniably bad patch, that will always be the fundamental difference between Sony and MS; Sony didn’t need to pay developers to go their system; the system attracted the developers.
MS has had to bribe devs to their system.
So much for “innovation”.
January 22nd, 2009
“Sony didn’t need to pay developers to go their system; the system attracted the developers.”
True considering Microsoft needed to pay Rockstar for DLC, especially when you consider that Rockstar said the lack of space of the DVD9 for the 360 pegged back what they wanted to do with GTA 4
January 22nd, 2009
correct me if i’m wrong but i think rumble pack for n64 controllers came first. =p
January 22nd, 2009
Yeah it came first. Sony was the first to have it standard in their controllers (ps2) and not as a peripheral.
January 22nd, 2009
I still think if these two guys were to meet in a dark alleyway one night…. I would put my money on Kaz. Greenburg is shit, both as a human being and professionally.
January 22nd, 2009
lock_down,
“Sony made gaming what it is today.”
I think you are leaving out a few companies here, including Atari, Sega, and Nintendo to name a few. No one company made gaming what it is today, and the PC has a lot to do with it as well.
“When Sony entered the market there were no franchises to steal; no exclusivity deals to be struck… There was nothing.”
Are you kidding? How do you think they got Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Tomb Raider, etc.?
“Developers went to the PS for the very reason that it was innovative. Why do you think the PS1 sold over 100 million?”
What do you mean by “innovative”? What do you think was so “innovative” about PS1? A CD drive? Rumble controller? They sold over a hundred million because of their third party support, which most PS3 fans now criticize Microsoft for as “bribing developers”.
“Sony re-invented game media with the CD and then the DVD. They introduced rumble to controllers”
Yes, their success was based on the cheaper CD based format that was originally much slower to transfer data than the cartridge, a console that was less powerful than Saturn yet easier to program for (sound familiar?), key franchises that had already existed, and the largest amount of third party support.
“How can Sony copy MS and bribe developers to make a game for their system when they have no money?”
Because they bought out a lot of studios already.
“And while Sony is going through an undeniably bad patch, that will always be the fundamental difference between Sony and MS; Sony didn’t need to pay developers to go their system; the system attracted the developers”
Thank you for realizing that Sony is not doing well at all right now. You think all their developers went to the system without getting paid by Sony? Really?
“MS has had to bribe devs to their system”
Isn’t this called paying devs to develop exclusives for their system? How is this different from exclusives that could have been on other consoles in the past besides PS1 and PS2?
So much for “innovation”.
January 22nd, 2009
I think Cad is Greeburg’s son.
Cad, I think you are spewing shit out the wrong hole. You have become nothing more than a troll.
Hey, that rhymed!
January 22nd, 2009
By the way, I just read that MS is going to cut 5000 jobs. I guess MS isn’t as immune as some would think.
January 22nd, 2009
Tomb Raider was out the same year on the PS as the Saturn. I would hardly call that a stolen franchise.
Final Fantasy and Metal Gear become household names due to the PS brand.
Companies wanted nothing to do with the more expensive cartridges.
January 22nd, 2009
wylie – sony is cutting jobs as well due to their restucturing due to the losses created by the ps3. (and other devices).
aaron’s right. sony got complacent, rested on their name, while sitting in arrogance.
this may be okay in fast food where mcd’s sells more than anyone on name alone. it’s suicide, as sony is finding out, in the tech industry.
sony brought 3d gaming to the masses. nothing else. the next evolution is online gaming and xbox live has set the bar and “made gaming what it is today”.
i guess the fanboys forgot when sony bribed EA sports to stay off the dreamcast or the backroom deals to pull square away from nintendo….. fanboys are funny….
January 22nd, 2009
@Wylie.
I heard it was 15000 a couple of weeks ago. It’s good to hear that it’s not as much as originally projected.
Can we get Happyhockum to rip on Sony’s “redundancies” now?
January 22nd, 2009
@kev.
both Sony ans MS are cutting jobs due to the Economy.
I’ll agree Sonly got complacent.
Never heard that Sony bribed EA sports to stay off the dreamcast. Any documentation on that accusation?
FF7 went to the PS because of disc size and Nintendo using cartridges as opposed to CDROM.
January 22nd, 2009
“sony is cutting jobs as well due to their restructuring due to the losses created by the ps3.”
Get a clue kev.
Sony is cutting jobs and restructuring because of a plummeting demand across all consumer electronic devices; an extremely strong yen and because divisions don’t talk to each other.
Sony and Microsoft won’t be the first or last to cut jobs and restructure.
We’re heading for a depression.
January 22nd, 2009
phranc – the official word is that is why square left.
question: when has ANY other company of this size done the same thing due to storage size? hint: never.
sony worked square away from nintendo. pretty common knowledge.
talk to peter moore who was running sega back then, altho i don’t think you’lll believe him since he later went to the xbox camp….
why do you think there was no ea sports on the dreamcast and every other console? wow…you really didn’t know this stuff?
January 22nd, 2009
lockdown – sony is projected to post HUGE losses…. first in over a decade… coincidence it’s at the same time as a ps3 early lifecycle? please…
the ps3 has created (at last count ) 3 billion in losses for sony. SCEI has closed gaming divisions due to the poor sales, developers are losing money on the ps3, and their “free psn” is costing them tons.
if all consumer electronics were not selling explain the wii’s success.. no, it’s sony claiming it’s across the board. not so..
recession yes, depression no.
January 22nd, 2009
Cad Greenburg, Kev Greenburg, and Harry Greenburg – what a family that would be.
Just image that house hold the day KillZone 2 gets released.
January 22nd, 2009
Nintendo happen to be in the right place at the right time with the Wii.
If the GameCube was Nintendo’s main console now, they would be in trouble.
Explain kev how Toshiba is forecasting a loss. Explain why Sony is forecasting a loss. Explain why Hitatchi is forecasting a loss. Answer: the strong Yen and falling CE demand.
Hell, even though they’re not Japanese, even Samsung Electronics is predicted to make a loss this quarter.
Not related to CE, but what about Toyota? They’re going to loss money; the largest car maker in the world.
You know nothing kev.
Is the PS3 a factor in the loss for Sony? Probably.
A main factor? No.
January 22nd, 2009
lockdown – right time and right place? wtf? they are in the same market as everyone else….. is that best you came up with? irgnoring the price, fun factor, etc? c’mon….
you named three consumer electronics outfits out of how many? yep..a lot more than 3…
i know more than you apparently, so what does that say about you if i know “nothing”. not good.
it’s odd you ignored the game jobs slashed by sony directly attibuted to the ps3’s inability to sell….
barn – when all you’ve got is insults, you’ve lost. now run along and play…
the ps3
January 22nd, 2009
@kev.
question: you do recall ff7 being on 4 discs right?
answ.e0r: apparently not.
Nintendo lost many companies to Sony due to the cartridge vs the CD. common knowledge.
Can I have Peter Moores number?
January 22nd, 2009
phranc – name ONE company other than square that left due to storage. no company has EVER claimed this as it is transparent.
do you recall the name of Gabe Logans nemisis in syphon filter? makes as much sense as your question about disks… *rolls eyes*3
no number, but try this:
peter.moore@easports.com
the best i can do. it’s also one of the reaons why moore hates sony so much. they played very, very unfair.
January 22nd, 2009
lockdown – SCE (sony’s gaming for the authors who may not recognize this) is set to post HUGE losses….again…
http://www.examiner.com/r-5727094~Sony_games_division_expects_increased_loss_of__337_million.html
ps3 + bluray + poor sales = bad times for the “undisputed king of consoles” (as quoted by sony’s kuturagi)
January 22nd, 2009
Kev, that’s halarious. Peter Moore complains about how Sony plays unfair. Yet, he works for EA Sports, which is known for paying the NFL for exclusive use of the NFL for Maden. Matter of fact, looks like he was behind extending the deal-
“At an EA briefing for analysts today, Mr. Moore plans announce the extension of a deal with the National Football League and the NFL Players Association through 2012 that will continue EA’s position as the exclusive maker of NFL videogames, including Madden. EA’s previous exclusive NFL deal was due to expire next year.”
Sounds like a hypocrite to me!
January 22nd, 2009
“Microsoft says it will lay off 5,000 workers over the next 18 months, nearly five percent of its total workforce, as the tech giant’s total profits for the fourth quarter of 2008 declined to $4.17 billion from $4.71 billion in the same period last year.”
January 22nd, 2009
Yeah, I only mentioned 3 CE companies. Oh wait, they’re the largest and most prominent CE companies in the world.
“lockdown – right time and right place? wtf? they are in the same market as everyone else….. is that best you came up with? irgnoring the price, fun factor, etc? c’mon….”
You’re so stupid; the price, fun factor, hype etc, IS the reason they’re in the right place at the right time.
The GameCube was virtually none of those things, hence why it did badly.
If the GameCube was Nintendo’s main console today, Nintendo too would be doing badly.
Yes, Sony has cut jobs at SCEI.
But there is a difference between cutting 100 people in one division, and 16,000 in another division.
gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-job-cuts-unlikely-to-affect-games-division
January 22nd, 2009
The company’s Entertainment and Devices Division, which contains its Xbox 360 and games businesses, had less revenue in the second half of 2008 than it did in 2007 — $4.99 billion versus $5.02 billion….
*smiles*
January 22nd, 2009
Kev,
By the way, I already new about Sony’s job cuts. If you weren’t so busy trolling you would have seen your xbot camp on here rant about it for a week.
January 22nd, 2009
Cartridge was more expensive to manufacture than cdrom.
storage space was the reason for Square. I never said it was for anyone else.
Nice way of sidestepping. FF7 was on four discs. How many expensive cartridges would it need. I don’t even believe the fmv that they did on their was possible on the N64.
January 22nd, 2009
Where did you get info from Barnabe?
I read that the Entertainment business grew 3%.
January 22nd, 2009
phranctoast,
If Final Fantasy went to PS because of disc size alone, then why wasn’t it also released on Saturn which was first to market with a CD drive and had just as much power (even more)?
January 22nd, 2009
Just add in the w w w. before….
gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21971
Please gloss over the article about Sony’s losses. It looks like both companies are taking hits today. I think that’s what the execs have been talking shit lately.
January 22nd, 2009
Yeah… the gamming division indeed grew 3%. It looks like the big hit was from the Zune.
January 22nd, 2009
I’m just surprised Apple did so well.
A $10.2 billion quarter for Apple and a $16.6 billion quarter for Microsoft.
Looks like Apple is slowly catching up to Microsoft.
Shouldn’t be too long before we see the iConsole then…
January 22nd, 2009
Who knows what will happen with Apple without Steve Jobs. It should be interesting to watch.
January 22nd, 2009
@CarlB..
idk..maybe because the difficulty to program for it…
Still doesn’t refute the reason for leaving Nintendo’s expensive disc based system.
January 22nd, 2009
Carl – Saturn was a complete failure. Not a bad console, but a failure none the less.
Lock_Down – I think there’s a better chance of an Apple console, over an EA console.
January 22nd, 2009
It’s too bad Apple didn’t have a console this generation.
I would have loved to see Apple ads mocking the 360’s reliability…
January 22nd, 2009
I think that’s a huge reason why Apple is where they are today. Sure they have great products, but they did an amazing job of marketing it. And furthermore, they used simple commercial format to tear Vista apart.
Sony could stand to learn a few things from Apple’s marketing campaign. They should clearly and cleverly point out all of the 360s flaws. There’s more than enough material there to write commercials for the rest of the generation.
January 22nd, 2009
wylie – ea locked the franchises before moore was onboard….gawd..nooobs…lol…
January 22nd, 2009
FUCKING HELL!!! do you guys plan this or something?? its like I go to sleep with a nice 2-5 comments… and wake up with a shitstorm going on around here…
yeah Xbox REVOLUTIONISED online gaming… because there was no online gaming before them… there was no ultima… no everquest…. no Dreamcast…
CARL!!! I thought we were on the same team… how DARE you go against the honorable Japanese… and take side with the sneaky american pigs… THATS IT!!! NO MORE SUSHI FOR YOU BACKSTABBER!!!
nice to see all this bullshit has reinvigorated kev… you guys just awakened the fucking Frankenstein…
January 22nd, 2009
kotaku.com/5136953/microsoft-slashes-5000-jobs
Id say all of this “console” war has to do with branding… 5 or 10 years ago… when you said video games you thought of the Playstation… now… its the xbox and the Wii… and Im talking about the non gaming masses here…
where is harry… lets bring him in here and complete the orgy of shitstorm…
also dont blame a companies losses on just one of their products… the PS3 is at a loss but Sony has a lot of other products that are more expensive… its like Apple… you wouldnt buy one of their top of the line Desktop if you didnt have money to burn… difference is… their bottom of the line ipods and stuff are comparitively cheap… though hugely overpriced… and stupid consumers “LIKEZ DEH BRANDZ”
I love the bravia… Id sell all of you blood and sperm and soul for it… yeah I went there…
January 22nd, 2009
Kev,
did you bother reading my post. That is exactly what I said. He went to work for EA who payed the NFL. Then he was part of extending that contract to 2012. And by the way, your still using “Gawd” in your posts. It makes you look more like an idiot… wait… that’s not possible.
January 22nd, 2009
harry greenburg? what the hell? I haven’t had anything to do with this article’s penis measuring comments yet I get an insult thrown at me? Goes to show the mentality of some….
January 22nd, 2009
we can buy stuff with sperm now?
January 22nd, 2009
HARRY!!! I you sleeping around with Aaron Greenburg bow?? you whore…
January 22nd, 2009
I don’t think anyone should be forced to sleep with Greenburg…. not even Hitler.
January 22nd, 2009
hey yo BARNABE whats your psn account?… so we can game when Killzone 2 comes out!!!
January 22nd, 2009
its Barnabe Hirai… and he has a picture of kaz as his avatar…
January 22nd, 2009
phranctoast:
January 22nd, 2009
“Can we get Happyhockum to rip on Sony’s “redundancies” now?”
What more needs to be said?
The global economy is in the sh!tter for a long time to come (one senior guy in the City of London on radio tonight was forecasting 10yrs of depressed economic activity as a new balance is sought).
Sony is in trouble and has been for some time.
Microsoft like a lot of other companies are making redundancies too but are in a much stronger starting position in this.
Undoubtedly that goes for Nintendo too.
January 22nd, 2009
Hence the news of Sony manufacturing plant closures (in Japan! = a really big deal) , a warning the whole group is set to make a $1+ billion loss – the first for the whole group in 14yrs apparantly – as well as the 16,000 job losses.
January 22nd, 2009
happy.. I already know that… the 31 podcasts I listen to have been talking about that for a week now..
lets talk about sunshine and rainbows now… it much less depressing…
January 22nd, 2009
I didn’t sleep with him, it was angry sex, he took advantage of me, emptied his sack inside me and then left without even a kiss goodbye.
Are you serious? He has a pic of Kaz as his avatar??
January 22nd, 2009
whether angry or not… IT WAS STILL SEX!!! you cheated on me you bastard… and Arvis’s avatar is a japanese “person” who looks like a man/woman…
are we taking this joke too far?? wait… since no races are involved… I SAY MORE SEX JOKES!!!
January 22nd, 2009
The more time goes on, the more convinced I become that DHW and harry are the same person with a severe personality disorder.
January 22nd, 2009
hahahahahahahah no lock down… we are just two souls separated by oceans…
*voice in the head sez* HE KNOWS WE MUST GET RID OF HIM!!!
January 22nd, 2009
Oh crap, we’ve been found out. I guess that means we have sex with ourself now?
January 22nd, 2009
So he really has a pic of kaz as his avatar?
January 23rd, 2009
Barnabe Jones,
Which company happens to be taking exponentially more losses?
“Saturn was a complete failure”
By failure you mean being in third place at the time and harder to program for while not having as many third party titles? Sounds familiar.
Apple already schooled Sony on MP3 players, you want them to do it again by pushing Sony into fourth in console sales as well?
“I would have loved to see Apple ads mocking the 360’s reliability…”
I would love to see an encore in the console world where they don’t even have to mention Sony’s product and they blow them away anyway.
Kaz seems to be getting fatter nowadays and talking trash… maybe he’s trying to be more like Greenberg in all the wrong ways instead of simply getting ahead of the competition?
phranctoast,
Saturn was difficult to program for utilizing the second processor, not just the one that would have made it comparable to PS1.
“Still doesn’t refute the reason for leaving Nintendo’s expensive disc based system.”
No it doesn’t, but it does mean Sony paid them to stay exclusive to their system and that it wasn’t based off of a disc format alone.
darkwhitehair,
“yeah Xbox REVOLUTIONISED online gaming… because there was no online gaming before them… there was no ultima… no everquest…. no Dreamcast…”
yeah Playstation “revolutionized” disc-based gaming… because there was no disc-based gaming before them… there was no ultima… no everquest… no Saturn… no 3DO… no Sega CD…
“CARL!!! I thought we were on the same team… how DARE you go against the honorable Japanese… and take side with the sneaky american pigs… THATS IT!!! NO MORE SUSHI FOR YOU BACKSTABBER!!!”
What team? Sony fanboy team? Japanese fanboy team? I am on the team that balances out the discussion (whichever way it needs balancing)… here there seemed to be an inordinate amount of blind PS3 love. There is no sushi in Iraq.
“Id say all of this “console” war has to do with branding… 5 or 10 years ago… when you said video games you thought of the Playstation… now… its the xbox and the Wii… and Im talking about the non gaming masses here…”
I remember the “console war” between Atari and Magnavox brands in the second gen (and amongst other consoles later in the same gen), and I remember my parents and their friends who were part of the “non gaming masses” when they got the Odyssey 2 for $350. Neighbors and other members had the 2600, then later on the Colecovision. It was amazing how many adults I saw gaming in both the arcades and in their homes. Dad would play UFO! like it was Geometry Wars (in a way it was) every day before he would go to work. Of course there was talk about which one was “better” than the other, and it was still about the available variety and relative quality of games back then (the 2600 ruled). “Console wars” is an old concept.
Btw, CNET has the Pioneer Pro 111 beating the Bravia out in overall quality… might be worth a look.
31 podcasts… care to share what they are?
January 23rd, 2009
scratch “no everquest” as it came after PS1 and Saturn, my bad.
January 23rd, 2009
You’re speculating that Sony paid them to not produce for the Saturn.
How many games have square created for other past Sega systems prior to the playstations existence?
citing stuff from 12 years ago is a little difficult.
January 23rd, 2009
No. They remained exclusive for a reason, and it wasn’t out of the goodness of their hearts or because the Saturn or other systems were too difficult to program for, not worthy, etc. Square remained exclusive to Nintendo in the past because of the same reason they remained exclusive to Sony: money paid, not kindness, it is not that difficult of a concept. This isn’t a “bad” thing per say, just business, and that is what Square and Sony are in.
January 23rd, 2009
So by that logic it is safe to assume that all xbox 360 3rd party exclusives are there due to a paycheck from MS, and nothing to do with ease of development or familiarity?
January 23rd, 2009
phranctoast,
So your trying to make the point that “ease of development and familiarity” are the only things that are holding 360 third party exclusives from moving to the PS3? Really?
Nice try to try and dignify Square as too good to take money for an exclusive, but complications only came in when trying to program to utilize the full potential of the second processor on the Saturn, not just the one that would be comparable to the PS1, so that takes care of “ease of development”. I believe Square wasn’t that familiar with the PS1 before they made the switch from Nintendo, so that doesn’t apply either.
January 23rd, 2009
God I like CarlB. He knows his shit and puts people in their place.
January 23rd, 2009
goddammit carl… just because I make fun of Microsoft doesnt mean I like to take it up the ass by Sony…
jees chill out man…
also… I thought we were fwends bitch… thats it… NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!
stop trying to make sense of stuff in here… like giving a rebuttal for every single comment… it just wastes your time and talent… you should use it to write something… anyways… we dont come here for the “intelligent” conversation… we come here to hang out… with my special buddies… which does not include you… cus youre a douche…
January 23rd, 2009
DWH takes Sony rimjobs! haha
January 23rd, 2009
shut up harry… atleast Im not Aaron Greenburgs bitch…
ohh yeah…
January 24th, 2009
darkwhitehair,
What happened to the sushi? I’m not sure I would trust any soup that you gave to me considering your blood and sperm comments from before, so thanks for the favor of sparing me.
January 24th, 2009
its a reference to Seinfeld you Tw@…
*angwy angwy face*
January 24th, 2009
so easily manipulated.
January 26th, 2009
Karl B – I see the parallels you are drawing between the two systems but the PS3 has already been proven to be a successful console. The system was a failure because it forced SEGA out of the hardware business. Also CNET has a history of being very anti-Sony.
Harry – I do have Kaz as my avatar. It’s better than the one the blorge used though, it’s a shirtless picture.
Kevo – My PSN ID is: Kdiggyd123. I’ll be playing the demo starting 2/5/09.
January 29th, 2009
Barnabe Jones,
I wasn’t paralleling to say that it would go extinct anytime soon, just that may be a few of the reasons (complex architecture, price, marketing, etc) why it is last in it’s same time on the market. The PS3 has yet to hit it’s three year mark and is selling comparably considering overall sales between the two generations. I have no doubt the PS3 will weather this generation and have a possibility at eventually moving up a place. Every credible site has “a history” of being pro this company or “anti” that company, because each one has it’s ups and downs more than once in it’s history.