No PS3 price cut confirmed for tomorrow or near future – Good for Sony
Rumors of a PS3 price cut have been running rampant across the Internet. Many speculated that Sony would be announcing a price cut this Tuesday after Smart House revealed that the company is planning a big announcement. However, Sony has confirmed that there is no price cut coming soon.
Yesterday I wrote a story speculating about what Sony could be announcing tomorrow. I indicated that if Sony has all of its ducks in a row, then the company could very well be announcing a PS3 price cut. However, I also indicated that this isn’t the best time to drop the price. Closer to Christmas or during E3 would be the best time to announce a megaton like that.
According to Joystiq, Sony confirmed today that there will be no price drop whatsoever tomorrow or in the near future. It almost sounded like the Sony rep was a bit frustrated with the rampant speculations going around. Al De Leon, SCEA PR rep, said, “As we have stated previously, we do not have plans for a PS3 price drop, and any rumors to that effect are false and are the result of speculation.”
Given that it’s one day before the big announcement it makes sense that Sony wouldn’t be lying about it. Leon also stated, “SCEA remains focused on the long-term momentum of PS3. With the industry’s best software lineup this year, combined with our most aggressive marketing campaign to date, we remain confident in our approach and the value we’re delivering with PS3.”
The big news tomorrow could be in regards to a PS2 price drop rather than a PS3 cut. PS2 has been selling quite well despite the fact that its over 10 years old. A price cut to the PS2 to $99 would help give the aging console second wind. Some have speculated that the news is in regards to either a new game or the mystical firmware.
Personally, I think it’s a smart move that Sony is so focused on keeping the price until the company becomes profitable. The PS3 is definitely a great value piece of hardware considering the built in Blu-ray player. Hopefully the company can become profitable before dropping the price of the PS3.
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March 31st, 2009
A PS2 price drop and new firmware…doesn’t really justify an announced announcement.
This firmware is gonna have to be pretty amazing to justify it…and it doesn’t make sense in reducing the PS2 price only to put BC back in the PS3…and I would have thought they’d save games for E3.
Oh well, only a few hours until the certain anti-climax.
March 31st, 2009
Wow….just….wow… really? That’s the BIG announcement? Wow….
March 31st, 2009
Thats the BIG speculation harry…
Be nice if they released 2.70 with some software BC.
But alas, who really expect this to be a megaton?
March 31st, 2009
I think these rumours start to try to goad Sony into dropping their prices. Shame it doesn’t work.
March 31st, 2009
perhaps, finally, GT5?… that would merit a OOOMMMGGGG annoucement
March 31st, 2009
NO!
first of all NO GRAN TURISMO! NO!
harry… Mike is speculating… check kotaku where they have pics of PS2 add with a $99 sign next to it… no… prolly not a price drop for the PS3…
NO GT!
nothing to see here folks… move along
March 31st, 2009
Well, no-one said it was a “BIG” announcement, just an “announcement”.
But why they had to announce the announcement is bizarre, announcing an announcement means the announcement must be high quality to justify the announcement of the announcement.
Something like that anyway.
March 31st, 2009
Hello folks.
(was away on business for a few days there)
Hmmmm.
According to my calander it’s the 31st of March 2009.
Presumably this is the Tuesday being mentioned?
I’m seeing and hearing nothing so far.
Maybe it’s a joke?
A case of Sony saying ’see you next tuesday’ to all their fans?
lol
March 31st, 2009
I always though it was catch u next Tuesday….
joystiq has a story up that the ps2 had its price lowered to $99.
March 31st, 2009
This sort of thing always turns into more than it is on the internet. Any huge announcement will be held until E3, which is only two months away. A PS2 price cut is the one announcement I could care less about, but it’s also the most likely.
I’m holding out hope for the firmware 2.7 announcement. It’s supposed to be a “big” update and it’s supposedly coming in April.
March 31st, 2009
PS2 price $99
kotaku.com/5191863/sony-makes-its-announcement-ps2-priced-under-100
COULD THIS BE THE END OF MICROSOFT? RAWR!
March 31st, 2009
No PS3 price drop?
Microsoft just cracked the cork on the champaign.
March 31st, 2009
“combined with our most aggressive marketing campaign to date,”
That’s not hard to do.
I think it’s an April fool’s joke.
Don’t believe anything you read tomorrow.
March 31st, 2009
Why does anyone care? according to the sony fanboys, the ps3 is the best “value” on the market at the current price. a price drop, therefore, is not needed. *snicker*
March 31st, 2009
“snicker”
No mate, Mars all the way.
March 31st, 2009
YAY! Kev is back! This site would quickly tank without you, dude.
-Arvis
March 31st, 2009
arvis – hee, hee…i feel the same about you, bro.
March 31st, 2009
so in regard if u want a price drop go grab a “trey” and then it after a bit it will be profitable so that sony could drop the price
March 31st, 2009
@ ncaissie,
i think u think you mistaken marketing with advertising…plus part of the “big” announcement was ps3 devloping cost for game developers cut from $10,000 to $2,000 so sony is really doin it’s thing right now
March 31st, 2009
lock_down:
“snicker”
No mate, Mars all the way.
Don’t you mean ‘marathon’?
(the original name for snickers in the UK and everywhere outside of the US IIRC)
March 31st, 2009
I dont get it? how is that sarcastic? how is that even funny?
$400 for a console with a hard disk and a blu ray… thats a great deal for me… same as $400 for the xbox 360 Elite… the hard disk and the wireless routers make it worth your money…
no seriously… Id like you to explain to me why $400 for a PS3 is a bad deal… go ahead… indulge me…
plus when I heard the PS3 was region free… the sealed the deal for me… different people have different needs… so go on kev… explain to me…
March 31st, 2009
They’re called Snickers over here too.
We even have Mr T advertising them here.
GET SOME NUTS!
March 31st, 2009
TIMTAMS! sigh… I remember in Canberra… there was a mall… and inside the mall… there was a chocolate shop… it had a fountain of chocolate…
a fucking fountain… of fucking flowing chocolate… damn they were fine…
March 31st, 2009
Canberra is nice. You can buy fireworks and porn from there.
March 31st, 2009
dwh
The Elite is not $400, not here anyways.
I paid £135 for mine about 2 weeks ago, brand new and on a regular deal from a reputable retailier…..and it wasn’t a 2nd or 3rd class good either.
£135 is according to my calculations $193US/$280AUS.
Admittedly that was originally a £179 price tag less a £30 brand new customer discount and Quidco but that just goes to show some of us don’t buy stupid.
The same outlet is offering brand new Elites @ £229 right now with £30 off for new customers = £199.
I make that $285US/$413AUS.
Claims that an Elite today costs $400US everywhere are just ill-informed BS.
The outlet I am referring to is ‘Littlewoods Direct’ (the online branch of a major UK retailer, Littlewoods).
h**p://www.littlewoodsdirect.com
Amazon uK are also doing them for £209.
That comes to $300US/$433AUS
Not even close to $400US.
April 1st, 2009
Conversions aren’t as simple as that tho Happy.
You can’t just take said GBP value and say ‘ok at todays rates in $$$ USD’.
For example, at ebgames.com the elite is $400USD. At futureshop.ca it is $400CAD. CAD is worth less than USD (they get closer/further apart every so often)
So if someone says its $400USD, don’t convert it into GBP and say ‘hey that is not $400USD!’
April 1st, 2009
aside from the porn n fireworks… my father has always told me one thing about canberra
if i ever go there again, make sure i dont take a crap in the morning/afternoon… just so ill have something to do at night… yeah… its that boring… though for a city they do get alot of roos in there… i remember waking up at a hotel and walking outside and seeing three of them what looked like the where eyeing up my car… eh… silly things just hopped off
April 1st, 2009
GET SOME NUTS …… snickers all the way, with good dose of MR T.
April 1st, 2009
Quit your jibber jabber, you ain’t hurt!
April 1st, 2009
Hey spidey, he’s dissin your turf. I wouldn’t take that if I were you.
April 1st, 2009
I dont get you happy… I was talking about the US prices… I dont know what an elite or a PS3 costs i UK or Australia… so you got an Elite for less than $400… good for you…
its like denying the existence of Red Rings just because you have a launch system that hasnt broken down yet…
April 1st, 2009
Do Australians and New Zelanders really hate each other? (wondering because of Flight of the Concords)
April 1st, 2009
dwh – no problem. the ps3 is not a good “value” because:
1. it integrated a 1080p player when most people don’t own a 1080p tv.
2. it integrated wifi when most gamers (especially from the ps2 era) are not online. a network port was all they needed. wifi was not needed.
3. the removal of backwards compatibility. it sold ps2 by the ton. yet, they removed it from the ps3. heck, the 360’s backwards compatibility updates are updated constantly. why can’t sony?
these factors all contributed to the pricey-ness of the ps3.
here we are, halfway through this gen, and the ps3 is STILL at the competition’s launch price. not good.
April 1st, 2009
1. That you settle for 720p is kind of a sad justification for the 360’s shortcomings, dontcha think? 1080p > than 720p.
2. How much is the wifi adapter for the 360? If desired, it costs extra, but for a ps3 owner, the cost of it being included in the ps3 is FAR less than what M$ charges (1/4 to 1/3rd). A laptop with Wifi will do as a substitute, but that surely can’t be cheaper than the adapter? Wifi saturation is growing, with entire Cities working towards providing their citizens with it. Go ahead and settle for a M$ sized cornhole, free country.
3. You argue against the removal of BC (a huge contributor to the price drop, yet bitch about wifi being included? ok then…
2.3 years might be halfway through a M$ product cycle (or over if you consider the original Xbox) but Sony has proved its support through a MUCH longer life cycle.
Quit using such substandard xbot fanboi propaganda to justify your own idiocy.
April 1st, 2009
The point surely has to be that if an Elite is at least 1/3 less than the US $400 price always quoted here in the UK from people like Amazon or a big retailer like Littlewoods then I am pretty sure that it’ll also be available in the US for a lot less than that $400 price always quoted.
(especially as UK prices always tend to be higher what with our sales taxes/VAT etc etc)
JofaMang
Most PS3 games aren’t in 1080p you know.
All my Xbox games are, my HD Receiver uses the excellent REON chipset to upscale everything.
You don’t need the wi-fi adaptor.
Any old wireless router will do or use an ethernet cable if money is tight.
BC with the Xbox is excellent (almost 500 games now). Way ahead of the PS3.
You’re deluding yourself if you imagine that (a) the Xbox 360 will not be around for a very long time and (b) that Sony will have a PS3.5 or PS4 ready to launch at something within 6 – 12mths of the new Xbox.
You certainly sound like you have been beaten about a bit with the fanboy stick there yourself.
April 1st, 2009
I am full aware that most PS3 games are not native 1080p, but some are, and they are STUNNING.
My PS3 upscales DVDs to 1080p… that doesn’t make my DVDs 1080p. Upscaling is NOT native quality.
The retail purchase price of any wi-fi adapter is still far and above the cost of having it in the ps3. We must compare apples and apples. These are brand new parts in the ps3. I can get a used xbox for 50 bucks from any one of my friends who upgraded to the ps3. That doesn’t mean I can compare the value of a 400 dollar ps3 to a 50 dollar 360, doe it?
My original arguement about BC was Kev bitching about it not being there, in the same breath as criticizing the ps3 for the built in adapter. I don’t give a shit for BC, I got my ps3 for current gen, not old tech.
Neither of us can be sure of how long before the next gen arrives for each company, but M$ history with the first Xbox, cannot stand up against how long sony has supported its first two consoles.
I am happy with my gaming choice, but all I hear from the xbots is how their substandard systems are “Good Enough”.
Get over it, it’s not shameful to enjoy old technology, look at the success of the Wii!
April 1st, 2009
“available in the US for a lot less than that $400 price always quoted.”
Like I said, don’t do straight currency conversions.
It IS $400USD in the US. It doesn’t matter if that doesn’t convert back to whatever you can buy it for in GBP at Littlewoods.
Understand that when someone says ‘Elite costs $400USD’ it is most likely because they are quoting thier currency (being that most of blorge users are probably from the states or NA in general(Canadian Elites are also $400 cad)).
As for the whole 720p/1080p. Big BLEH kind of a point. I do play DVD’s on my PS3(and they look good) but if the mother fucker would play MKV’s I would be far more impressed than over its ‘upscaling capabilities’.
April 1st, 2009
I can understand the BC… hell Im mad over the BC… if I had bought my PS3 a month earlier.. I couldve played PS2 games…
but… wifi and 1080p? seriously? thats it? thats your whole argument? so since people DONT have an HD TV and DONT have wireless connection… that makes the PS3 less value for money?
see the thing youre getting at is… this is what I think your argument could have been… is that there could have been a lower priced PS3 with all these other capabilities cut out… that way consumers would have had more choice… what Im getting for my money is a complete package…
I dont see how having a complete package is bad value for money… look at who are buying the consoles… its not the people with dial-up internet or a 15inch tv… its people who are willing to spend a lot on their gadgets… offices and colleges have wireless network… you can get an adapter for $30… and most people who are savvy enough to invest in a console… prolly has a wireless network…
your argument just doesnt hold up… it makes no sense… I expected more from you… tsk tsk…
April 1st, 2009
JofaMang
If only “some are” (1080p) is the standard by which you rae measuring this then you ought to know “some” Xbox 360 games are also 1080p games.
Your PS3 does not have a scaler anything like as good as the REON chipset btw.
Agreed that does not make thing natively 1080p but the differences (particularly with animation and games) are hardly big deal.
Wi-fi on the Xbox 360 needn’t cost a penny.
If you have an old wireless router you can easily just use that and it will cost you nothing.
If pennies are so tight the ethernet cable is more than up to the job.
I wasn’t comparing the price of a 2nd hadn Xbox.
My Elite was brand new and on regular retial sale just like anything else is and from a known and reputable outlet.
No need to pretend it was anything out of the ordinary.
You really ought to get over yourself.
The PS3 is not superior in any credible way.
Cell is merely different – and ploughing a trench all of its own.
It is not being snapped up by anyone as the new tech for anything much (besides upscaling Toshiba HD TVs, which is pretty ironic).
SW
If the Elite can be sold on normal regular sale at $300US/$433AUS on Amazon, nevermind even cheaper elsewhere, then I’d be pretty sure that it’ll be available elsewhere at a much cheaper price either now at other outlets or soon as the obvious discounting takes place there too.
It seems pretty obvious that the Elite is to become a limited run special edition type unit, expect them to be clearing stocks soon.
April 1st, 2009
“savvy enough to invest in a console… prolly has a wireless network…”
I’d rather use my savvy to run a 100/1gbps wired network rather than a wireless network that runs at half of its rated speed…
April 1st, 2009
*100mbps/1gbps
April 1st, 2009
DWH – the point you’re refusing to acknowledge is that a value is only a value if the consumer perceives it that way. The best analogy I can think of is selling Stevie Wonder a Ferrari for $100. In theory this is a great value, but has little to no, practical (actual) value to Mr. Wonder.
The fact 130 million “loyal” ps1 and ps2 customers have not migrated to the ps3 proves my point.
The fact the ps3 is falling in year over year sales only underscores this.
I’m sure you believe you got a great value with your ps3. Congrats. You’re in the vast minority.
April 1st, 2009
Kev,
I think MOST PS3 owners feel like they got a great value with their PS3. It’s the people who DON’T have one that are under the impression that they’re not worth the money. Coincidence?
-Arvis
April 1st, 2009
arvis – that’s the point. the fence sitters aren’t being sold into the idea the ps3 is the value the fanboys claim. if it was truly a value (like the $199 ps2 was), the sales would reflect it. especially with such a large “loyal” customerbase.
the consumers just don’t find the value in a $400 console right now when the competition has comparable gaming for much less money. gaming is still just a hobby to most….
i think the ps3 fanboys forget the rest of the world doesn’t hinge on sony’s every word as they do….
April 1st, 2009
wait what?
so since people havent bought the ps3… it not of good value?
again.. that makes no sense… we are talking about what you get for your money… value for money… not how consumers behave… consumers are idiots… they dont know what they want… thats why they will buy a Hummer over a fuel efficient smaller car…
No one here (cept for Ivan and kevo) think that the entire world hinges on sony… youre going off topic…
let me see… if you dont have fast internet connection… if you dont want to play online… and if you dont have hd tvs (the claims that you make)… why the hell would you buy ANY consoles? why not buy a wii then?? cus you (you as in general… incase you twist that around) certainly arent interested in upgrading to the newer gen consoles…
you are arguing based on how consumers act… well if consumers knew how to act… comcast wouldnt be such a bitch… its when people buy shit without researching… hell I bought my laptop from circuit city… couldve gotten a way better model for less if I had done the research…
I expect better from you kev…
April 1st, 2009
Harry, I’m not a native Canberran……so dis away boyz.
If I catch you acting like a crazy FOOL again, I will introduce you to my friend PAIN ….
April 2nd, 2009
u from aus aswell Spideydog? which part?
April 2nd, 2009
god i love Mr T. If you mess around and come too fast, i’ll clench my butt cheeks and rip your dick off.
April 2nd, 2009
LOL Harry ……. Mr T is the new Chuck Norris
I am currently in Canberra bigmickyd. But I don’t originally come from Canberra, nor do I intend on staying long term.
April 2nd, 2009
YAY! CANBERRA FOR THE WIN!
I loved questacon… that was an awesome field trip…
April 2nd, 2009
Delirious or Raw? I can’t remember which Eddie Murphy Stand-up vid that Mr T skit was from. Probably Delirious, as it was a bit raunchier than Raw.
They were both awesome though.
April 2nd, 2009
dwh – Consumers are the ones who ultimately define value, not the company making it. You’ve just proven why the wii is selling the most (no 1080p and cheapest) the 360 is second and the ps3 is falling year over year sales. I personally have a sweet hd/dd5.1 setup, but a lot of people have not moved to the hd display market yet. Given the current economic climate the move is looking to take longer than expected.
Your Hummer comment is funny since they’ve been falling in sales for about a year now….. Saying consumers don’t know what they want is silly. Gamers want a gaming machine at an affordable price. The PS2 was a gaming machine first that enhanced ps1 games. Huge selling point. The fact it was a DVD player (for the kid’s room) was icing on the cake. The PS3 put its bluray foot forward and considered gaming their second marketing angle. They had to in order to justify the insanely high launch price. I say insane due to the fact that they tried to launch a $700 (USD) PSX in Japan in 2002 (approx) to combat the xbox’s internal hdd and 4 controller ports. The sales were so abysmal sony refuses to release sales numbers. It has long since been dropped from production. So, with such a failure, was it reasonable to believe they could succeed with a $100 drop in price? I think not.
Look, their Trojan Horse idea with bluray failed. The price is just too high. One can buy a 360 and a separate bluray player for less than the cost of a ps3 at this point. Still, bluray struggles to achieve acceptance by the mainstream. It doesn’t look good for bluray’s outlook either when you consider Netflix is now charging $4 more per month if you wish to rent bluray movies, increasing the perception of high prices by the consumer.
I’m saying people aren’t buying the ps3 because it (the ps3) is not perceived as a good value by most people. Something would have to be pretty awesome to be a “value” at $400. The ps3 does not hold that level of awesomeness to the mainstream that it does to you, ivan and the rest of the i-love-sony-club.
..and the ps3 sinks farther into last place….
April 2nd, 2009
Kev:
Your blatant lies and ignorance cloud the substantial intellect that you are capable of.
BD has had a more successful launch than DVD had, with lower pricing than DVD had, even BEFORE accounting for inflation. BD did not fail, and until 100mbps global Wifi availability, optical media will be relevant and popular.
Year on year sales figures do not sink the PS3, as the ps3 has basically matched the 360 in these direct comparisons, even with a higher price point. Even before knowing what MS considers a sale, or discounting multiple 360 purchases.
It is only the Xbots who try to throw out innacurate and irrelevant sales data to trash the PS3… again, an obvious case of penis envy.
We all enjoy the platforms we have invested in, and I notice that there are no hoards of rabid PS3 fans trash talking on Xbox sites and threads as there are Xbots on ps3 threads. Bully’s motivations are often insecurity and low self esteem, and I see no difference here.
Plug in and Play, no matter what you chose to play. I personally only take offense to the Xbots who have to spout lies and their pre-teen communities propoganda.
April 2nd, 2009
kev… consumers DONT define value or anything… consumers are idiots who will succumb to peer pressure… I wasnt arguing about consumer spending habits… and I wanted to focus on the PS3s value… and ou had to bring in the Wii and 360
well the fact that Wii Fit has sold more units than Halo 3… the fact that Wii sells more units than the 360… EVEN after a $200 for the 360… proves that consumers dont know shit… this isnt about loving a company… yeah I am a fan of the playstation… I also am a fan of gameboy color… doesnt mean I fully support their press releases and follow their every word…
theres a difference between “perceived” value… and actual value… the actual value is based on facts and common sense…
fine you wanna talk about the xbox… what about the first generation xbox? escape from butcher bay was one of the greatest games of last generation… how many people bought it? the xbox was the most powerful… had better hardware and online capabilities… how many people bought it? it had a REAL value… but the PERCEIVED value was “hey ps2 has final fantasy… so that must be better”
this isnt about blu ray as a format either… you can say that the trojan horse idea failed… but what are you getting for that $400? youre getting a blu ray player and a good console…
what are you getting for $200? you are getting a very good console… same with the elite… you are getting the complete package… now the extra money that you have to pay for arcade and pro 360s are different… and their usefulness can be argued…
but we werent talking about that either… we were talking about the real actual value of the $400 ps3… and you cant come up with anything more intelligent than consumer behavior…
CARNIVAL GAMES ON THE WII SOLD 1 million copies! How many copies did beyond good and evil or psychonauts sell??? How many did Braid sell?
consumers are idiots… the dont vote with their wallets… otherwise comcast wouldve changed their shitty policy a LONG time ago… and gamestop would have been out of business…
its not the i-love-sony club… its the i-love-video-games club… and ivan and CAD and kevo are not allowed… I really expected a more coherent argument from you…
April 2nd, 2009
dwh – so you ignore facts, data, and sales trends in leiu of your personal opinion regarding consumers. it’s okay..i did not expect a more coherent argument from you. you’ve confused fanboyism for reality… ivan, meet dwh… you two should get along great. i’m done.
April 2nd, 2009
@kev,
The PSX was not releases in Japan to combat the Xboxs HDD. That theory is F’in crazy. The PSX was a DVR with built in ps1/ps2. Besides……Sony didn’t need to combat the Xbox in Japan at all.
“One can buy a 360 and a separate bluray player for less than the cost of a ps3 at this point.”
I guess thats true if you buy the arcade, no HDD, and the cheapest blu ray player out there which has less functionality than a PS3.
Netflix sucks. Charging more for blu ray discs is stupid as the discs protection is a lot better than DVD’s, therefore allowing them to rent any given title more times before it gets destroyed. There reasoning sucks. They’re also all on Long Wait making the service virtually useless. I got rid of Netflix after I had a series (I think Damages or some FX show) in my Queue. The first disc was on very long wait so they sent me the next two. F’in retards.
April 2nd, 2009
“CARNIVAL GAMES ON THE WII SOLD 1 million copies!”
What the fuck, really? Man the wii is amazing (especially with a few homebrew additions…)…
April 2nd, 2009
kev… see youre avoiding the facts… as I said… ACTUAL value… not the value that consumers “think” they want…
your theory of consumers and their behavior doesnt work if you count the Wii sales and the Wii game sales… when the Wii sells more units than the 360… when Wii Fit sells more units than Halo 3… does that mean Halo and xboxes are valueable? no…
it just means consumers act like sheeps instead of doing their research…
first you use the wireless network and 1080p as an argument… then you state consumer behavior which contradicts your own statements… yeah not all the PS2 users bought a PS3… maybe they bought a 360 for $200… thats based on the price… not on the value…
April 3rd, 2009
dwh – who determines “actual value”? you? sony? neither are right….. it’s the consumer. the wii sales PROVE my point. the bought the best value to them.
Just because sony says it’s the best value in gaming does not make it so. Sony says a LOT of things that aren’t true. It’s called marketing spin. Not facts. Please learn the difference.
April 3rd, 2009
I wasnt talking about what Sony says… its what makes sense… using your common sense… wii sales prove which point exactly? that a $250 Wii is better value for money than a $200 xbox 360? that a $100 Wii Fit is better value for money than a $60 halo 3?
we arent talking about marketing spins… no Im not sayiing that I determine value… Im talking about actual value… the value based on facts and common sense…
its weird how you claim that the PS3 has no value because people dont buy it as much as the 360… so what? people dont buy as many 360s as they buy the Wii… doesnt mean they are right… doesnt mean that the Wii is more valueable than the 360…
when you are talking about consumer determining the value… you are talking about demand and supply… if people see that Wiis are flying off the shelves… they will get an itch to buy it… its based on public perception…
what about all the other generation? the xbox and the ps2? where was the value then?
I just wanted to talk about what you get for your money when you buy a PS3… not any other console… you cant come up with anything… you SAY that the wii sales prove YOUR point… but you dont explain it… so you resort to attacking me and call me a fanboy…
Im not pretending to hate sony or anything… I am a fan of the PS3… doesnt mean I hate the xbox… its the same bullshit that people like you come up with… the same “if youre not with us… youre against us”
again… go ahead… show me how the consumer is right… because the way it is right now… the consumers think that the Wii is more valueable than the 360…
April 3rd, 2009
exactly!! the mainstream are finding the wii the better value to them. if the ps3 was truly a better “value” it wouldn’t be sinking into oblivion….
people would be buying it more since it was a “value” to them. *sigh*
i get it; the ps3 is the better value because you said so. regardless of what the sales are doing…geez….
April 3rd, 2009
“better value to them” youre arguing about PERSONAL PREFERENCES AGAIN!
if people are buying more Wii… does that mean that the value of a 360 or a PS3 is less? did the value of the xbox any less than the value of the gamecube or the PS2?
this wasnt about what I think… I was trying to have an intelligent conversation about why you think that the PS3 has no value… I wanted you to explain to me how the PS3 has no value..
first you said that it had no value because people didnt have HD TVs or wireless internet… why would you buy a high def console if you have no HD TV?
then you claim that it has no value because no one is buying it… and you bring the Wii and the 360 into the conversation… fine then… how many copies did braid sell? because carnival games on the Wii sold 1 million copies…
how many copies did psychonauts or beyond good and evil sell? and how many did 50 cent bulletproof sell? you are really going to base the value of something on consumer behavior? because according to that facts… the consumer will buy an overpriced second hand game from gamestop instead of getting it from gamerang or gamefly…
look at the post that I made that wanted to discuss this with you… I was talking about what you get for $400 and whether it is valueable or not… not about what I think… not about my “BIAS”… not about the 360 or the Wii… its about what you get for $400 when you buy a PS3…
April 3rd, 2009
dwh, you should just take your cock and hit it with a hammer about 253 times.
I can personally guarantee that not only will you get further in your discussion with kev without actually talking to him, but it will also make feel 63.2% more satisfied.
April 3rd, 2009
DWH,
What in your year or so of experience with Kev makes you think he’s going to go “Oh, uh, well, guess I was wrong.”
Why would you think he wants to do anything but argue and desperately try and make himself look smarter than everyone?
-Arvis
April 3rd, 2009
…I see SW beat me to it… and with that unique SW-brand flair!
-Arvis
April 3rd, 2009
well this wasnt about proving anyone wrong or right… thats what he thinks I am doing… its not a us vs them thing… I just wanted him to explain to me how the $400 one pays for a PS3 is not valueable…
we can buy any consoles we want for whatever reason… one could buy a PS3 just for a blu ray player and never buy a single game… doesnt increase or decrease the value of the PS3…
its a shame that we cant even discuss consoles and playforms without it turning into an us vs them argument…
April 3rd, 2009
sw – why don’t you add some facts instead of just bashing the posters?
the fact is; consumer determine what’s a value and what is not, personally… a fact dwh just can’t get his head around…. silly kids…
April 3rd, 2009
arvis – i’m wondering why you’re dodging my question about the importance of physics parameters in a driving sim?
April 3rd, 2009
OMG
WTF ius wrong with you guys?
The truth about PS3 owners is out…..
“Blokes are so passionate about video games that a third prefer to play them than have sex, a study found.
And this rises to two thirds if there’s a chance of playing a brand new game”
From a specialist PlayStation3 website questioned 1,130 men who were in relationships.
http://www.ps3pricecompare.co.uk/
April 3rd, 2009
Ooops, left off original link to the reporting paper –
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/04/03/men-prefer-playing-video-games-to-having-sex-115875-21249009/
April 3rd, 2009
“sw – why don’t you add some facts instead of just bashing the posters?”
Its more fun?
April 3rd, 2009
kev… consumers DONT determine the value of anything… which I have proved to you again and again… if that was true… then the 360 and PS3 are both worthless… the same with Psychonauts… Beyond good and evil… escape from butcher bay… braid… halo 3… metal gear solid 4… fable 2…
look at all the games… and look at all the shit that have sold more copies than them… how can you still think that the consumer knows best?
this argument wasnt about the consumer… it was about me trying to understand why YOU think that the PS3 doesnt have any value for $400… you have twisted that into a debate on the importance of consumers…
consumers will buy anything that is shiny and that is hyped… which is why cell phones focus more on having a qwerty keyboard and apps and games and camera rather than a decent cell phone signal…
if consumers knew how to vote with their wallet… gamestop would have stopped with their shitty second hand games business a LONG time ago… and comcast wouldnt treat their customers such a way…
ACTUAL value… that is based on common sense… is not something that people look at when they buy something… in their case… its PERCEIVED value as in “how is this of use to me”
I could buy a 360 and keep it in the box and never open it… does it increase or decrease the value? how does me owning a PS3 make me a fanboy? I never said that the PS3 has more value than anything else… I just wanted you to tell me why you dont think it is of any value…
and dont bother with arvis and driving games… he doesnt play them… and Ill tell you why we make fun of you with physics calculations…
its because no one (at least the intelligent people in this site) claimed that GT was better than anything… you brought in the comparison… while we are angry at GT P for selling a demo… you bring in comparisons of Forza and Gt…
wow… I just came up with another point… GT has sold more copies than Forza… even though Forza is a better driving sim… does that decrease Forza’s value? no… because GT has die hard fans that dont care if Forza is better or not… they know the brand and they think that it is the best… which is PERCEIVED value… whereas… Forza… has REAL value…
April 3rd, 2009
Oh but now he’s going to say that Forza has released less games that GT!
All this has happened before, and it will happen again…again…again…again…
April 3rd, 2009
Wow SW…….does that make you an ‘Angel’?
Have you seen this in humanities’ past, present and future already?
Do you also get to hang with a No6 for eons ?!
Why you……
(shakes fist vigorously at screen)
……. lucky sod!
April 4th, 2009
ARVIS! OY ARVIS!
from now on… can we play street fighter hd instead of street fighter 4? cus I want to rent other games… Ive already had SF4 for like 1 and a half months… I only keep it for our weekly dates…
I WANNA PLAY OTHER GAMES! but play with you too…
gawd I sound so gay… ok… back to some heterosexual porn…
April 6th, 2009
dwh – “consumers DONT determine the value of anything…”
congrats. you just nullified your entire argument. you, as a consumer, think the ps3 is a value, yet you also stated consumers don’t determine value. you should have stopped long ago….
for the record, Forza sold to about 25% of the xbox’s userbase. GT4 sold to about 10% of the ps2’s userbase. since you ps3 fanboys love ratios, Forza was more successful than GT4. oh…and congrats on your other GT sales..which occurred when no other sim was on the market… lol…
April 6th, 2009
dwh – “I just wanted him to explain to me how the $400 one pays for a PS3 is not valueable”
this is where you went wrong. i’m talking about those who HAVE NOT bought a ps3. they just dont’ see the value. if they did, it would be selling better,…but alas…
April 6th, 2009
see…. I think youre getting desperate… I have used examples to prove my point… you havent shown any examples… Im not looking at the value of the PS3 as a consumer… Im looking at it through common sense…
there are about 6 billion people or more in this world… are you going to say that if a console isnt bought by everyone then it is not valueable? so we count the value of an object based on how many people have NOT bought it?
25% or the xbox userbase? really thats your best argument?
ok… Ill tell you what… since you think consumers determine the ACTUAL and the REAL value of a product… not value according to their preference but the a value that is based on FACT! prove to me they do… because from the examples that Ive given… it looks to me that consumers dont really know shit…
and yeah unlike you I wont put myself of a high horse… as a consumer Ive made plenty of shitty decisions… I bought my shitty laptop from Circuit City without doing the research… got Vista instead of getting XP… go ahead… prove to me why and how consumers decide the REAL value of a product…
April 6th, 2009
your examples don’t prove points, dwh..they only underscore your fanboyism and inability to use reason. the value of the ps3 is dependent on the person, not what sony says. so far, 130 million “loyal” ps2 owners don’t see the value in the ps3, otherwise it wouldn’t be getting killed in sales.
everytime you insult consumer’s opinion, you insult your own. it’s funny….just sad…
April 6th, 2009
I asked you for examples… to prove why consumers determine the real value of any product… and this is what you came up with?
so let me see… after admitting that I am not a smart shopper or an informed consumer… you do what? you try to insult me by saying that… Im not a smart shopper or an informed consumer…
youre just going round and round… look back at all the stuff you have written… all opinions which have not been backed up by examples or anything…
where did you get the fact that there are 130 million loyal PS2 owners? and what gives them the right to determine the value of the PS3?
ohh I know… you wont answer that… youll just try to undermine me… because as we all know… if you insult me and its funny that means Im wrong… sad… just because that works in the 3rd grade doesnt meant it works in the real world…
April 8th, 2009
dwh – the value of ANY product is as varied as the consumers themselves. that’s the reality. if consumer really found the value in the ps3, they would have bought one as quickly as you did. but they didn’t. they aren’t. and it doesn’t look good for the future.
go ahead, claim it’s the best value in gaming… the wii and 360 sales numbers prove different.
there are your examples. now, please go graduate….. then try a coherent argument….
April 8th, 2009
really? the reality?
again you dont see what I am trying to say… I bought my PS3… because it had personal value… meaning value for ME… not ACTUAL value… I bought it because it had region free games… that isnt something others think of when they buy consoles…
Im talking about REAL value… value based on fact and common sense… not driven by consumer spending… I never did claim that it was the best value in gaming… and I didnt even bring in the Wii and the 360 into the conversation…
why kev? why must you always dance around the main subject? you couldnt prove your point with the wireless and the 1080p argument… so you are trying to prove that consumers determine the REAL and ACTUAL value of a product… I dont care about what consumers do… they act like they want to…
and I dont see you refuting all the other points… like the original xbox and the PS2… like halo 3 and wii fit… like psychonauts and beyond good and evil and chronicles of riddick…
were they all undervalued because they sold less copies than their competitors?