Xbox 360 version of Final Fantasy XIII crippled? Not likely
The producer of Final Fantasy XIII recently stated that the game will utilize almost 100 percent of the power of the PS3. This statement has gotten a few sites questioning the quality of the Xbox 360 version. Most likely it won’t be the quality that suffers but the convenience factor.
According to Kotaku, Yoshinori Kitase stated in a recent interview for Dengeki Playstation 3, that Final Fantasy XIII will utilize almost 100 percent of the power of the PS3. He also claimed that the demo will utilize 50 percent of the PS3’s power. The Final Fantasy XIII demo will be hitting Japan in April. The demo will be out in the States sometime in June.
Some of the sites such as 1UP and The Escapist have questioned if the Xbox 360 version will suffer in quality. I have to say it sounds a bit like hype. How can the demo use 50 percent of the PS3’s power while the full version uses 100 percent? Does that even make sense from a technical standpoint? It sounds like there may be some mistranslation there regarding the power of the PS3 versus disc space utilization.
I am betting that the main difference will be mostly related to disc swapping. The biggest clue was when Kitase made it a point to indicate that the PS3 version of the game won’t be hampered by disc swapping issues due to the Blu-ray player. Since the mediocre Blue Dragon game used three DVD discs it does make one wonder how many discs Final Fantasy XIII will be on.
The game will hit Japan exclusively on the PS3 this year. Gamers overseas will have to wait to get their hands on this title April of next year courtesy of Microsoft and Square Enix. However, one thing is for sure, regardless of which platform you get it on the game will be awesome.
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April 1st, 2009
Thanks for the news Mike.
Too bad I don’t have a PS3
April 1st, 2009
I don’t know why someone would be completely surprised if the PS3 version was superior. Exclusives have been pushing the limits of graphics. It was only a matter of time when it would be shown with multi console releases as well.
Maybe one of the ways SE will try and save space for the 360 version will be having all the CGI sequences in Standard def rather than HD.
April 1st, 2009
Disc swapping and HD aren’t important to 360 users.
They say so themsleves.
So who cares?
April 1st, 2009
Yeah, 360 owners have proven again and again that they don’t care about having old technology as their mainstay, so really it shouldn’t matter to them if they have swap discs like its 1999.
April 1st, 2009
They could sing prince while they’re at it….
They also proved that they don’t care for faulty hardware.
They’ve even come out with alternate fixes themselves (etc. towel trick, D-pad controller shaving/sanding).
You gotta give it to those M$ fans.
April 1st, 2009
I’m still pissed that we have to wait until it gets ported down. I honestly don’t see the hard in releasing it first on PS3 when it’s completed, then release it later when they finish porting it down to the 360. People who only own a 360 will still buy it a few months later…. but I guess mounds of money out weigh logic.
Also has the US demo been confirmed? I don’t think it has yet. I’m still up in the air about importing it from Japan. It would be close to $65… which is a lot to pay for a demo and blu-ray of Advent children… but it still might be worth it…
April 1st, 2009
ugh… don’t see the HARM… not hard
April 1st, 2009
I am thinking 5 discs would be the absolute minimum.
With disc swapping, each game disc is required a certain set of data, in order to power the actual game. After that base data space is occupied on each disc, then comes the storyline placement data.
Theoretically, if the basic game data was to be, say, 3 gigs, and the BD is fully utilized on the ps3 version, then, there may be 47 gigs of data pertinent to storyline.
if 3gigs of basic game data is to be used on each dvd9, then there would be only 5.8 gigs of space available for storyline data:
47 divided by 5.8 equals 8+ game discs required.
Granted, a lot of space could be saved by compressing textures and data, which can only DECREASE the end quality of the game for the 360, either in lower graphics, or hampered cpu operation from decompressing said data.
All very hypothetical, admittedly, but important to understand the technical limitations disc swapping causes.
I pulled numbers out of my ass just for presentation, true, but substitute any number into the base game data category to see how it can effect the number of discs required.
Also, the size of the base game data can grow rapidly as well. Imagine an open world like FFXII… the base game data would have to include the entire worlds data and textures. Lets say the base game data is 4.4gb, then there would be a need for 11 discs if uncompressed data is to be utilized.
In this scenario, there is no technical avenue for square to produce an equal product on the 360, if the ps3 version is to use so much of the consoles power… Unless of course they compress the shit out of the data on the BD just to make the PS3 work harder.
There is a chance that FFXIII will be a completely linear storyline, and that each disc will only need the game data for portion of the storyline contained on the disc. If this is how the game ends up releasing, PS3 fans will have a lot of righteous fury to release: there would be no doubt that the entire concept of the game will have been dumbed down to meet the 360s requirements. I don’t want a turn based heavenly sword. I want my Final Fantasy.
April 1st, 2009
To summarize:
There is no way in hell that the ps3 version can be all it should have been, if the 360 version is going to match the quality, unless they don’t mind requiring a ridiculous amount of disc swapping.
April 1st, 2009
My opinion on disc swapping has always been how would play an open ended game like GTA with swapping?
Given that the 360 version of GTA4 version is known to have held up development because of space constraints, it’s a safe bet that the next version will also suffer, probably meaning no improvement or increase in size…for all 360 users’ defence of swapping…disc swapping GTA?
It makes no sense.
I think Sony and Rockstar are missing a trick by not putting Liberty City and a hi res San Andreas on one disc and fusing the two to create a huge, open ended city.
Maybe that could be secret PS3 game. There are certainly mumblings about it.
April 1st, 2009
GTAIV is a perfect example of 360 handicapping. Compared to the older exclusives I own, it looks like a ps2 game. (I won’t compare it to KZ2 for instance, but I will gladly stand it up next to heavenly sword and uncharted).
I don’t play games for graphics, but I also don’t play games with SHIT graphics. I will settle for mediocrity.
April 1st, 2009
Fallout 3 is another example, a great game with above average graphics, but my old computer (single core proc, X1600 vid card, 2gigs ddr2 800, can rebuild for about 300, or a 100 less than a brand new ps3) looked much better than either ps3 or 360 versions of the game.
April 1st, 2009
i can’t wait to see what 100% of the ps3’s power looks like.
April 1st, 2009
Does anyone know if the 360 can read windows media player servers like the PS3?
I love how I can play movies from all my PCs on the TV using my PS3.
I just don’t want to buy a PS3 for all of my TV’s. I can get used 360s at EB games for $130.
April 1st, 2009
I know they work with TVersity.
April 1st, 2009
I doubt that FF13 will be close to utilize 100% of the PS3 power. It doesn’t look that Impressing imo graphical wise, compared to KZ2,GoW3 and Heavy Rain.
But I might be wrong… I’ve only have seen the trailers & screenshots soo… Time will answer >.<
April 1st, 2009
KZ2 isn’t graphically impressive at all. It doesn’t have foliage.
And PC games look wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better anyway than all those PS3 exclusives.
April 1st, 2009
@ncaissie:
Windows is owned by microsoft you fucking clown!!!
April 1st, 2009
@ncaissie.
I believe what CON was trying to say was that the 360 can’t connect to outside servers
ewwwwww… a used 360???? You are one high risk crazy mofo….. Do you also drill prostitutes without bagging it?
April 1st, 2009
What the hell are you talking about retard?
Are you saying that the PS3 works well with Windows Media player but the MS Owen 360 does not?
LOL Looser
April 1st, 2009
That was directed at retard… I mean CON.
April 1st, 2009
“Does anyone know if the 360 can read windows media player servers like the PS3?”
Of course it can! It can also become an extender so that you can use the media center interface rather that picking files from a list like the PS3.
April 1st, 2009
You have to laugh when the PS3 fanboy element start trying to claim what Xbox owners think.
Jebus H guys, come on, quit it, you’re just embarrassing yourselves.
Ditto the delusion that Cell makes the PS3 superior to the Xbox.
All that can be said is that the bigged BD disc will be a little more convenient on a big session at the game.
Big deal.
April 1st, 2009
“Of course it can! It can also become an extender so that you can use the media center interface rather that picking files from a list like the PS3.”
You don’t pick the movies from a list in media center?
April 1st, 2009
Well you do.
But I believe the extender gives you actually power over your media center such as setting up recordings etc.
I do prefer the simplicity of the PS3’s ‘list’ interface but it has given me alot of trouble in the past with videos not showing up and stuff like that.
I really wish both of them would give us custom codec support so the clever people out there could give us some MKV and various other codecs.
April 1st, 2009
@ncaissie:
You keep contradicting yourself lol
April 1st, 2009
Can we please stop referring to ‘potential power’ and ‘100% ps3 power teh hardcore xxx4′
because it will only accumulate to us ps3fans eating shit when it looks identical on 360.
Square Enix should stop dicking around, slap it on 100 discs and just give it to us NOW. I’m fed up with the waiting for this one.
April 1st, 2009
I say give it us on 37,000 floppy discs.
April 1st, 2009
So true Royzy.
Almost 3 years in and absolutely bu*ger all sign of that imagined ’superiority’ is getting to be pretty funny tho.
The whole disc thing is such a load.
If they genuinely do use a 50gb DL Blu-ray disc it just means the thing is crammed & bloated out with 1080p FMV.
Frankly I could care less about that, it quickly becomes boring and an annoyance you ignore or bypass – if they’ll let you.
If they use a 25gb SL Blu-ray disc then it’s exceeded in capacity by 3 DVD9s.
Either way I really don’t care – in any case I’d hope they’d be more imaginative and make good use of the Xbox Live downloading facility.
It really makes no difference to anyone being objective about it.
We all know it, the quality (image and audio) will be identical.
The best the PS3 fans can come up to bash the Xbox version with will be some disc changing.
Big deal.
April 1st, 2009
Hold your horses PS3rd boys. Have you ever put a PS3rd disc into a computer with a Blu Ray drive? If you have, you’d notice that the same data is stored on that disc 4-5 times in different locations to compensate for the slow read speed of Blu-Ray. 5 Discs for 360? I doubt that very much.
And for the record, you can use the 360 as a Media Center Extender, or alternatively you can do a direct connection via the dashboard and browse/play any shared folder on your 360.
You can also plug your ipod into your 360 and play your playlists etc.
April 1st, 2009
Can’t you copy DVDs onto the hard disk on a XBOX? PCs gave up on playing games directly from spinning optical media years ago.
April 1st, 2009
me_, I don’t think so, to be honest I haven’t tried and haven’t had a need to. Streaming baby! Streaming!
April 1st, 2009
You can copy games to the hard drive and play them directly from the drive, provided that the cd is in the drive (anti-piracy measure).
April 1st, 2009
“Yeah, 360 owners have proven again and again that they don’t care about having old technology as their mainstay, so really it shouldn’t matter to them if they have swap discs like its 1999.”
So mandatory installs is the new fad now? This isn’t like the PS2 and Xbox days where games had to be dumbed down in order to work on the PS2 like Splinter Cell. Blu ray offers more storage but we all know the power between the two is almost negligible. I own both consoles and I’ll probably get the PS3 version if it has less compressed sound. Otherwise disc swapping and mandatory installs are both inconvenient. One takes times and hard drive space and the other takes a few calories to get off the couch.
April 1st, 2009
ok, lets stat some facts
fact 1) it is going to be an awesome game regardless of the system you get it on
fact 2) 360 will have atleast 4 disc to play with
fact 3) ture fans of the game should already be used to disc swaping concidering 7-8-9 all had 4
fact 4) its coming out in Japan only ps3 only, cause thats where the target audiance is
fact 5) we are being delayed by 360
fact 6) people who own both 360 n ps3 will get it on ps3, ps3 has a finished product and 360s has been edited to fit, pretty easy choice
fact 7) true fans of the game who have yet to jump across onto the next gen, will go ps3, though know FF and playstation go hand in hand, and they know that FF 13 versus is just around the courner
fact
people who say that they will be identical on both systems are kidding themselfs, this was designed for ps3, with 360 being an after thought… all of your call of duties and most of your cross platform games up until this one you could argue the other way, but this one will be better on ps3, you just an idiot to think otherwise
April 1st, 2009
that last one is ment to be fact 8… didnt mean to look like an arse with that smily
April 1st, 2009
“Hey, what are you guys doing?”
“Where playing Harry Potter.”
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“HAAA, FAGGS!!!”
April 1st, 2009
“So mandatory installs is the new fad now?”
Never met a PC then? Not really a new thing.
Disc swap or install doesn’t really matter, not like you’re changing discs or installing every 10 minutes now is it I don’t know why it was ever brought up (well, if you ignore the whole ‘faboi warz’).
I would prefer all data to go on the HDD if possible as HDD’s destroy optical drives.
April 1st, 2009
I agree SW, and if we can progress to decent sized and fast HD drives it will be so much the better.
I think it’s going to happen.
Optical media will be very much the supporting junior side of things soon enough (the means to help keep the less fortunate in the game, as it were).
Big fast HD drives and net feed is the future.
Stilll, it’s not even as if I have the slightest interest in this kind of game anyways.
Even if the Xbox version was the one primarily developed and acclaimed by all as ten times better than any other version.
Sorry but this kind of game leaves me pretty cold.
(I just find the predictable PS3 fanboy claims regarding any sort of genuine ’superiority’ between it and the Xbox hilarious)
April 1st, 2009
i was wantng the remake of ff7….
April 1st, 2009
360 should install what some stero’s have with multiple disc rotator devices so the blessed fanboys will be justified…well said?
April 1st, 2009
they spend 5 years (dont kid yourself, they would have started back then) making a game on one system… then in a matter of months they are ment to take what they have finished and put it on something with a completly different make up and have look the same?
its not ganna happen… i admit most cross plat games look a lil better on 360 CAUSE THEY WERE DEVELOPED ON IT… unlike this game where IT WAS MADE FOR PS3 and was told that at the end that they have to PORT it to 360… no way in hell it going to be the same
April 2nd, 2009
“I’m still pissed that we have to wait until it gets ported down. I honestly don’t see the hard in releasing it first on PS3 when it’s completed, then release it later when they finish porting it down to the 360. People who only own a 360 will still buy it a few months later…. but I guess mounds of money out weigh logic.”
And how much did Sony pay Rockstar to wait for the PS3 version to be completed before shipping the Xbox 360 version so that they would both be released simultaneously? Also when was the last time a Final Fantasy game came out in other regions right after it comes out in Japan? So if it comes out in Japan at the end of 2009 and then in April in NA (as mentioned) that would mean what exactly? You are the biggest idiot on here, bravo.
April 2nd, 2009
mick,
“fact 2) 360 will have atleast 4 disc to play with”
Source please? Or are you just pulling these ‘facts’ out of your rectum?
April 2nd, 2009
@ harry – FF like the number 4… how many discs where 7-8-9?
@ LevelHead – ill wager one choclate easter bunny that the gap between the jap release of ff13 and the rest of the world is bigger then that of ff13 versus jap to rest of the world gap
April 2nd, 2009
also harry, some places are saying that it’ll be more then one blu-ray disc… in which case… you guys would have a box set?
April 2nd, 2009
mick,
Again, source please? You can’t go ahead stating opinion as fact, it reeks of douchebaggery.
April 2nd, 2009
“How much did Sony pay Rockstar to wait for the PS3″
Not much, given that Rockstar were rumoured to be reluctant to agree to Microsoft’s demands for a simultaneous release.
But anyway, you’ve got the MS statement:
LOS ANGELES — May 9, 2006 — This time, Xbox® Nation won’t have to wait. Responding to the cries of millions of Xbox 360™ owners, Microsoft Corp. and Rockstar Games, the universally renowned publishing label of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. (NASDAQ: TTWO), have struck a groundbreaking agreement that brings “Grand Theft Auto IV” to the Xbox 360 platform on day one of its global release.”
Why would you put “day one” and “won’t have to wait” in a statement unless you know it is going to have to be released at the same time as the PS3 version?
Seems that you’re the biggest idiot here LevelHead.
I’d also take a look at that statement anyway, as it makes some hilarious assertions…
“Microsoft revolutionized the gaming industry with the November 2001 launch of Xbox”
Yeah, course it did Microsoft…
April 2nd, 2009
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=50290
http://www.n4g.com/News-235621.aspx
http://www.n4g.com/News-303697.aspx
http://www.gamingunion.net/forums/showthread.php?t=185
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/14/final-fantasy-xiii-not-available-on-360-in-japan-versus-xiii-st/
ok, shall we call it assumed knowledge more then fact?… u believe that it will be on one disc?
April 2nd, 2009
20 discs or 20 minute install… That not whats important. What is important is that PS3 owners now have to wait until it’s ported to the 360.
Square has already stated that they will finish the game, release it in Japan, then port it. Plus they will have to translate it and localize it. So it will most likely be about a year behind the Japan release (probably more). It sucks that M$ paid essentially to hold up the PS3 release. Another ultra shitty move on M$’s part.
April 2nd, 2009
Speaking of hilarious, everyone should check out the comments at
blog.us.playstation.com/2009/04/01/ps3-firmware-v270-update/
…and hilarity ensues.
April 2nd, 2009
i actually think its a ballzy one… they have basicly targeted the biggest games and tryed to get them… gta… FF… though gta may have been down graded and FF delayed… least there trying to have a go
i still believe FF will b better on ps3…
April 2nd, 2009
@ lock_down, at work mate cant c it? mind c+p it?
April 2nd, 2009
I’m going on record right now and I’m telling you that this game will not be 1080P. Your PS3 does not even upscale games to 1080P and sometimes it downgrades the game. We’ll see when it comes out. Also how the hell is everyone on this games cock and most of you are not even RPG fans. anyways, In order for this game to be 1080p there will have to be a mandatory install. The PS3 is bottel necked because of the graphics card and the GPU. You guys are big dreamers. We all know the 360 version will have the better graphics just like every other Multiplatform and I can’t wait to see the PS3 top out at 100%. Isn’t it intresting that square does not say that about the 360.
April 2nd, 2009
cause it hasnt done anything on the 360 yet… its only done the ps3 part…
doesnt do 1080p… wow… wipeout anyone?
im waiting now for the fozza comment… come on… its better then gt yeah? more realistic?
April 2nd, 2009
wipeout was straight off the hard drive, wasn’t it?
April 2nd, 2009
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_full_HD_1080P_PS3_games
April 2nd, 2009
LOL at Super Rub’a'Dub
April 2nd, 2009
yeah harry it was, but it was also the first to be full HD (if memory serves correct) theres been many, many more since
April 2nd, 2009
sorry, first game on console to b 1080p and always at 60 f/s
April 2nd, 2009
Another unbiased informative post from CAD I see.
Now where is Ivan to input the unbiased PS3 side of things?
April 2nd, 2009
1080p is probably a bit unrealistic for all but the most basic games for both XBOX and PS3.
It cracks me up hearing people talk about needing 50 GB for HD textures when you only have 256 MB of texture memory for the GPU.
April 2nd, 2009
lol geeks
April 2nd, 2009
A little bit too technical. Allow me to rephrase.
Bluray sux because ps3rd graphx is crap!
April 2nd, 2009
blog.us.playstation.com/2009/04/01/ps3-firmware-v270-update/
ZOMG! FIRMWARE!
April 2nd, 2009
I gave up waiting for FF a looooooong time ago.
Even the mention of the game’s name makes my temper fly.
I’ll never forgive M$ for this. NEVER!!!!
Stop stealing M$ and make your own exclusives.
And I’m pretty sure that the game will be 1 disk on the 360. Probably why those bastards at S-E are taking so long, trying to figure out how to fit it on a DvD. They’ll probably end up cutting a lot of the game, lowering the textures, etc. etc. or in other words, they’ll just ruin it.
Ok, maybe not ruin, but its definitely not going to be nowhere as near as good as it could’ve been had it been a Ps3 exclusive.
Damn you S-E, and of course, Damn you(x10) M$.
April 2nd, 2009
@me_
You clearly have no knowledge of Video memory.
So stop trying to impress with your shallow knowledge. Don’t embarrass yourself.
April 2nd, 2009
@CON: “You keep contradicting yourself lol”
Where?
You’re just a disgruntled Xbox 360 owner. Your just mad because you chose the wrong consol.
April 2nd, 2009
Come on bigmickyd.
That “full HD” cr@p was purely for the feeble-minded and the ignorant.
The gap between 720p & 1080p doesn’t mean jack-sh!t unless you’re using a truly enormous HD TV and are right up close.
Surely you know better than that?
The quality of the HD TV is also a massive factor (not the spec badging).
That’s why the 720p Pioneer Plasmas were, for the last couple of years, rated much better than most of those supposedly “full HD” HD TVs.
April 2nd, 2009
What do you consider “truly enormous” (2 inches)
720p games vs 1080p games are no comparison. If you can’t tell the difference you need your eyes checked. Wipeout HD is absolutely beautiful.
April 2nd, 2009
Bigmickyd
Your GT does not support car damage. Soooo realistic!!!!!
April 2nd, 2009
SW don’t even put me in the category of Ivan I lay down more fact then Ivan can dream up. But what do you expect from a site full of dreamers.
April 2nd, 2009
I don’t expect any Xbot to understand the difference between 720 and TRUE 1080p, not their super duper upscaler. I’ve said it before (maybe even in this thread) there is nothing shameful in settling for good enough. Xbots are obviously suffering from small penis syndrome. For some reason I feel compelled to respond to their BS, but I should probably stop taking the bait.
It’s ok, just game and enjoy yourself. I know I do!
April 2nd, 2009
Heres the problem: NO MATTER how you look at it, the fact the Final Fantasy is being released on te 360, will always bring to question the quality of the PS3 version, i.e, “what could have been”
Even if the game is a perfect 10 on both consoles, it “could” have been an +12, if it was solely developed for the PS3. Thats just a fact. So no matter what happens, the fact is, we will feel the game could have been that much better if it would have stayed exclusive…oh well…
Also, it has already been stated by developers, that when a game is made on the the PS3 as the primary console, then the overall game looks better on both consoles, than if the 360 was the lead development console. Hmm, how odd that when the PS3 development is the focus, overall game graphics go UP, but when 360 is the lead console, overall game graphics go DOWN, and PS3 version suffers…..seems the PS3 is the more powerful system, as again, OVERALL game graphics go UP. So,yes, the PS3 is more powerful than the 360
Also, as a sidenote, why all the hate for CGI Cut scenes? I LOVE CGI Cutscenes…let me rephrase, i LOVE GOOD CGI Cutscenes. Its what makes certain games worth playing, Warcraft, Starcraft, Final Fantasy, etc…to get those awesome cutscenes…i guess this is subjective though.
April 2nd, 2009
“Xbots are obviously suffering from small penis syndrome.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
April 2nd, 2009
I for one can see a big difference between upscaling and true 1080P.
Even my wife who couldn’t care less about that stuff says she can see a big difference.
I have a 52 inch bravia and a HD lcd Projector made by Optoma and boy does it look sweet.
April 2nd, 2009
does anyone even care about this overmilked franchise? enough already…. quit while people still have good memories of the franchise….
April 2nd, 2009
I don’t understand the “need huge TV to see difference” argument. I have a 42″ 1080p 120hz Aquos, which by most standards is, well, standard size. I’m not wealthy by any measure (my wife and I are DINKs), and neither are most of my friends, and between us a 42 is average.
On my 42, the difference between upscaled DVD and 1080p is substantial. Although the blurriness of 60hz compared to 120hz helps mask a lot of that difference, I held same opinion on my 60hz aquos i replaced.
As a side note, the 120hz aquos was half the purchase price that my 60hz was 2 years ago. With the steadily falling prices of LCDs, those willing to spend money on a console will be more likely to own a display to match.
Personally, it just worked out that my wife and I had enough saved to buy both the TV and PS3 on the same day. I don’t think we would have bothered with the ps3 if we had to hook it up to our 20″ Sanyo, probably would have waited for the TV. Admittedly we are both more hardcore about our gaming than the average consumer, but it is getting easier and easier for less devoted people to obtain similar set ups.
April 2nd, 2009
@Kev
“does anyone even care about this overmilked franchise? enough already…. quit while people still have good memories of the franchise….”
Funny you don’t say that about Halo.
April 2nd, 2009
Hamburger,
Not to LEAP to kev’s defense or anything, but…
Halo: 5 games.
Final Fantasy: About 25 games or so.
Kind of a big difference there.
Still, I say bring on more Final Fantasy.
-Arvis
April 2nd, 2009
Slow news week in gaming.
April 2nd, 2009
@ncaissie:
Funny how that “wrong” console has been beating “your” console for the last few years.
lol
April 2nd, 2009
JofaMang:
“I don’t understand the “need huge TV to see difference” argument.
On my 42, the difference between upscaled DVD and 1080p is substantial.”
Funny if typical.
Nice try to avoid what I actually said and substiutute your own silly strawman.
I did not and never have said that there was “no difference” at all between standard definition DVD and good 1080p high definition material.
(although seeing as I can honestly say I have seen both on an expensive, good & recent 1080p projector @ 100″ screen size the differences are hardly anything like as incredibly massive as some want to pretend; sorry if the truth hurts)
The fact is that well produced 720p material on the size of HD TV most have and at the viewing distances most will use looks practically indistinguishable.
h**p://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/
The graph tells the truth, you can kid yourself uif you like but you cannot kid physics and your own biology.
The quality of the HD TV (or projector) is also a major factor (and few HD TVs score highly in every area, even today).
It is how come the Pioneer 720p HD TVs were beating 1080p HD TVs for a couple of years running.
Still, there’s nothing like a bit of determined wishful ‘thinking’ and a need to reinforce and comfort yourself over your purchasing choices, huh?
Dream on PS3 fanboys.
April 2nd, 2009
“Slow news week in gaming.”
Ain’t that the truth.
April 2nd, 2009
@HH.
Are you talking about movies/TV or games? The difference between games from 720p to 1080p is ridiculous. It seems like it’s more difficult to tell the difference with movies. You can tell but it’s more subtle.
April 2nd, 2009
phranctoast
People will say whatever they think they ought to be saying about this.
Far too many sheeple spouting spec sheet BS and incapable of seeing anything but their eyes being tricked by them.
Lets not forget those who not so long ago were cooing about how’ awesome’ all that supposedly “full HD” next gen gaming was supposed to be…….which actually turned out to be about 600p.
Right?
April 2nd, 2009
lol. You answer a question with a question…
You make this argument that the difference is practically indistinguishable followed by a link not supporting your theory. Between 6-10 ft it is noticeable according to your site. Thats about comfortable viewing distance in my house.
You need to check out Ninja Gaiden Sigma in glorious 1080p then play Ninja Gaiden 2.
April 2nd, 2009
@HH
Because one guy makes a chart it must be true.
LOL don’t believe everything you read on the internet dude.
April 2nd, 2009
@CON That’s because most you losers can’t afford the PS3
April 2nd, 2009
@ncaissie:
I own an elite and according to you ps3rd fanboys it works out more expensive.
Yet again you contradict yourself you fucking clown! lol
April 2nd, 2009
CON’s and his RRoDBox has got you there ncaissie!
April 2nd, 2009
happyhockum was right though about the hd tvs because the human eye can only take in so much so 32″ 1080p an 720p are goin to look very similar unless it like a 50″ or so….
April 2nd, 2009
“Lets not forget those who not so long ago were cooing about how’ awesome’ all that supposedly “full HD” next gen gaming was supposed to be…….which actually turned out to be about 600p.”
But that doesn’t mean that the games don’t look a lot better. Even the Wii would have the power to run Quake at 1080p and it would still look crap. High definition crap but still crap.
April 2nd, 2009
“Bigmickyd
Your GT does not support car damage. Soooo realistic!!!!!”
CAD, just just wow… for a guy who thinks hes “in the know”… tell me why has GT not been launched yet? (ill give you a hint, has to do with damage!!)
April 2nd, 2009
I dunno about damage in GT5.
If it takes Polyphony 6 months to model one car without damage, it’s gonna take a duration to code realistic damage on 900 cars.
Kaz has only ever said that damage “is the plan”.
I’d rather Polyphony focus on the physics calculations and related parameters.
April 2nd, 2009
how much can the physics change from what they have on number 4 to number 5?… and how many new cars? surely if the engine was different they could just plug and play with the 50-60% of the cars that where already in there from last time… and he wouldnt say it was the plan if there weren’t going to come through with it, they said the same thing when asked why they didn’t have either of the two big italians… they said there plan was to get one… and what do you know, theres going to be about 20 ferrari in the game… just wish they also had lambos
btw if none of you have guessed… ima FF/GT nut
April 2nd, 2009
Well of course, more fiziks = MOAR FUNZ!
April 2nd, 2009
it says my comment is awaiting moderation… wtf for :S
April 3rd, 2009
you add a link?
cut the www out of your link and post it.
April 3rd, 2009
I never said the elite was more expensive.
Show me where I said that you clown!
So how has he got me there?
I just said the xbox 360 is a piece of shit, which it is. If I get one it would only be fore a cheap media extender and not for games.
April 3rd, 2009
Get over yourself ncaissie.
You PS3 fans have been trying to make that “Xbox owners are too poor to buy…..” line fly ever since the damned thing came out.
The Xbox is the equal or better than any other console out there.
You just like to comfort yourself with little stories in your head to the contrary.
It’s also very very nice that Microsoft stand behind their product for 3yrs.
How long is the standard PS warranty, hmmmm?
April 3rd, 2009
The PS doesn’t need a three year warranty.
MS would have been sued out of business if they didn’t extend it.
And I was kidding with the too poor comment.
You people take this stuff to seriously.
I will never trust the 360 enough to buy it for games and that’s that.
If you do then that’s just fine.
CON is just an idiot and I was just pushing his buttons. He keeps saying I’m contradicting myself and never saying where. Why is that?
Really I don’t him and don’t really care. I’m only here to read the flame wars and to help start them.
April 3rd, 2009
I meant:
Really I don’t Know him and don’t really care.
April 3rd, 2009
@ncaissie:
Looking at your responses it looks like you’re the one who’s had their buttons pushed lol.
And yet again you contradict yourself, all you fanboys ever say about how the xbox works out more expensive. I said “according to you ps3rd fanboys” and you said show me where “I” said that lol.
Good come back with the clown thing also! Very original!
April 3rd, 2009
ncaissie, seriously, who cares how it came about?
The only important thing here is that manufacturers should all stand behind their products for a decent length of time.
3yrs seems perfectly ok as a start to me – but 5yrs would be ‘good’, why not?
Why should relatively expensive kit be expected to go without a decent warranty?
In the UK our consumer law says that in addition to any warranty given consumers have the right to expect products to remain free from defects for a reasonable length of time (although sadly far too few consumers are aware of this or pursue their rights in this).
That “they don’t need to….” line is about as daft as could be.
Why let them get away with such a shoddy service?
They ALL need to warranty their products decently.
April 3rd, 2009
“It’s also very very nice that Microsoft stand behind their product for 3yrs.”
Its a limited 3 year warranty tho isn’t it? And it’s only in effect because of thier own mistakes?
I’m not digging at ms here, but you can’t compare standard warranties (of pretty much every electronic product) to an extended warranty based on a above average hw failure.
April 3rd, 2009
I went through 3 ps2’s in my time all with the same problem with the really loud noise when it can’t read the disks any more. Although have to say ps2 is still one of my favourite consoles
April 3rd, 2009
SW
The 3yr warranty is supposed to be for RROD.
But seriously, if you honestly can’t get you Xbox to go RROD by now you really ought to give up attempting anything.
It could hardly be simpler.
The detail is mere semantics
(and with some obvious fanboy sour grapes thrown in).
The fact is that there is a 3yr warranty on the Xbox and there isn’t on anything else.
That is a situation that really should not be cheered on and supported by buyers of the other consoles.
It’s not ‘good’ that the PS3 has a 30, 60 or 90day warranty in the USA and at best 1yr in the UK.
That’s pathetic.
April 3rd, 2009
“The fact is that there is a 3yr warranty on the Xbox and there isn’t on anything else.”
I think we’re agreeing with the same thing here or I truly don’t understand my warranty.
So you say it is indeed limited (aka RRoD only), and that is my point. It is NOT standard warranty. If your dvd rom dies it is not covered. Correct? The exact same thing as the PS3, as for you 90 day warranty in the US, erm, I’m not at home so I can’t really check what the fook it gets. Generally electronics are 1 year.
For example. HP sells millions of notebooks each year. HP has a limited select of notebooks (dv2000,6000,9000, some compaqs) that have ’service enhancements’ a.k.a Limited extended warranties. If your notebook does not fail in a very specific way it is NOT covered and you have to pay for repair (if you want it).
Yes it IS good that they did this, but it was only because they fucked up.
April 3rd, 2009
SW
If your DVD drives goes then yes that would be a problem.
Personally I’ve never had a DVD drive (on anything) die.
Funnily enough the only time a CD drive ever died on me was my 1st Sony.
Anyways…..
All the other more likely events can be ‘covered’ (*ahem* *cought*) by encouraging a RROD.
It might not be quite as intended but nevertheless the net effect is the same.
The Xbox 3yr deal ought to be across the board as a starting point with a quality guarantee on the way as a goal.
But it’s no wonder the CE corps don’t bother much about this when numbskulls are prepared to slam the better deals and completely miss the point.
April 3rd, 2009
“by encouraging a RROD.”
Thats just wrong… But good to know… *grin*
April 3rd, 2009
True.
I’d also say that a drive failure is much less likely (not that I can recall the drives being especially suspect to date…..IIRC they are all decent branded drives with the latest being the quietest – Benq or LG or Hitachi or Samsung?) now that you can save and run games off of the HDD.
April 9th, 2009
@Barnabe,
“what is important is that PS3 owners now have to wait until it’s ported to the 360. Square has already stated that they will finish the game, release it in Japan, then port it. Plus they will have to translate it and localize it. So it will most likely be about a year behind the Japan release (probably more).”
I thought we covered this already?
“So given that the game will be finished (in Japan) on a multiplatform engine geared with the PS3 and 360 in mind, how long do you think a port of the title from a PC platform engine to 360 will actually have delayed release beyond the (6-7mo avg) localization process?”
gamer.blorge.com/2009/01/15/blame-microsoft-for-final-fantasy-xiii-delay-on-ps3/
April 9th, 2009
@bigmickyd,
“the gap between the jap release of ff13 and the rest of the world is bigger then that of ff13 versus jap to rest of the world gap”
depends on if versus has more dialogue and things to localize than FFXIII will… doubtful. So if it has less content to localize, the process should be shorter.