Xbox 720 will beat PS4 and Wii 2 in race to be released first
Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all have consoles currently on the market and all are likely to produce a new on and bring it to market in the next few years. But which company will blink first? We recently ran a poll asking which of the Xbox 720, PS4, and the Wii 2 will launch first. The results are below.
This generation of games consoles is my favorite for a good few years. I’m not quite sure why that is – the striking differences between the three home consoles, the range and diversity of games, the online capabilities of gaming being truly realized at last. But whatever it is, I’m really enjoying it. However, I’m also keeping one eye on the future and what it yet to come.
As we all enjoy our current-gen consoles, the PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii, there’s more going on behind the scenes than we may imagine. All three of the major games console manufacturers will be making plans for the next-gen, whether they choose to make them public or not. The question now isn’t if, but when?
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We asked: Which next-gen console will launch first?
Microsoft Xbox 720 – 474 – 42 percent of all votes
The Chuck Norris – 287 – 25 percent of all votes
Nintendo Wii 2 – 170 – 15 percent of all votes
Playstation 4 – 166 – 15 percent of all votes
Other – 33 – 3 percent of all votes
Total Votes: 1130 – Started: March 14, 2009, Ended: April 11, 2009.
As you can see, the Xbox 720 won by a huge margin. Not only did it manage to secure 42 percent of the vote, the next 25 percent was taken by a fictional console I invented for the purposes of the poll. If the Chuck Norris were to be made it would obviously be awesome but I fear it’ll remain a distant hope in our hearts. Unless Google decides it wants a piece of the video games market. And teams up with Chuck. Which is unlikely.
In essence, the Wii 2 and Playstation 4 are, according to our readers, rank outsiders in term of being the next console to launch. While the Xbox 360 is doing well at the moment, Microsoft has a reputation for being first out of the block. Meanwhile, Sony seems set on a long-term life for the PS3 and the Wii is still (unfortunately) far too popular for Nintendo to consider rushing a successor out to market.
So, Xbox 720 released in 2011? Earlier? Later? let us know what you think. And don’t forget to vote in our new poll looking at which home console has the best online service.
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April 12th, 2009
I don’t understand why some people think longevity is a bad thing. Maybe 360 and Wii owners want it differently, but if the PS3 follows in the footsteps of its predecessor, then I’ll be getting fantastic value from my purchase; and there is no reason to think it won’t.
Especially given how Xbots…no, bad lock_down…ahem, given how certain people like to point out how Sony has lost serious money, what incentive is there for Sony – or anyone – to make higher powered console anytime soon? With the economic climate we’re in, and going to be in for some time, it makes no sense to justify the investment.
But neither do I think that cheaper “casual” systems and games are going to become 100% ubiquitous either. Otherwise MGS4, a game about as far removed from casual as [INSERT NAME OF A GAMER.BLORGE POSTER HERE] is from reality, wouldn’t sell 4 million…and that’s only on one system.
Devs are undoubtedly moving more resources to the Wii, but there will always be studios that want to indulge on a powerful system; and they’re studios with powerful franchises. But are these studios really going to want to jump into new hardware when T2 for example are still losing money this generation even after the success of GTA4?
Square Enix are saying they need huge success to recoup the cost their investment in FFXIII…probably the reason why their much vaunted franchise toddled off the 360 as well…they’re going to be struggling on just one.
GTA had three fantastic outings on the PS2 and Xbox, and given T2’s financial difficulty (which they blamed on R&D), I don’t see how they could R&D for new hardware when they’re not even making money off the current hardware.
For those studios it is likely going to be a case of stick, not twist. And I just don’t see why that is a bad thing.
The bonus for gamers is that the 14 million people who bought GTA4 are not going to want the next GTA to a “casual” GTA game for a dumbed down system a.k.a for the Wii. “More of the same” we can accept, but “casual”?
I’m not sure people want casual versions of MGS, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, Forza, Resident Evil, Halo, God of War et al. And if studios did make the main entry in a big franchise a casual version, it probably wouldn’t sell. And these studios rely heavily on these franchises.
While some studios can get away with developing and releasing more and more games in the Wii, I don’t believe fans of the franchises I’ve listed would want the next iteration to be worse than its predecessor. Would you buy a “casual” version of GT5 or Forza 3 if it was graphically and “physically” (geddit?) inferior to GT4 or Forza 2?
I wouldn’t.
As for the new poll for the best online service, come on, really? Live beats PSN and Wii-whatever-it’s-called combined and then some.
April 12th, 2009
HAHAHA at the new poll results! Dave, why not just have a poll saying ‘Click on the console you own’, you’ll get the same result.
April 12th, 2009
“Meanwhile, Sony seems set on a long-term life for the PS3″
Er, Dave, you must have, missed it but so have MS with the 360.
It’s very clear that with a new version of the Xbox 360 coming either at the end of this year or the start of next (the SoC Valhalla with CPU & GPU combined on one chip @ 45nm) the Xbox will be around for a very long time to come.
Perhaps you’re preferring to talk cr@p by obliquely referring to the Xbox mk1?
Surely even you know by now why the original Xbox died so early…….and that it had nothing to do with MS having a lack of interest in the longevity of their product.
Instead of the fanboy fairytale myth it had everything to do with MS not actually owning all the rights to all the major components of the mk1 Xbox (especially the Nvidia GPU).
Personally I hope we do get another genuine next gen arrive early next year.
It’s ridiculous that consoles are stuck so far behind PCs in terms of HDD space, GPUs, CPUs and RAM.
If we do get a true next gen arriving @ the sort of launch prices that seem ‘usual’ (£400/$800) then I – like many others – would be looking to head the line for one.
It’s surely going to happen soon?
If not next year then surely by 2012?
April 12th, 2009
espechaly in RAM.
i mean the ps3 has what 266MB and the 360 has 512MB off the top of my head.
where most new pc’s these days come with 4 GB standard.
and most pc ram is much faster to @ 1066 mhz.
or even ddr3 @ 1333 mhz.
ps3 creating graphics imagine what it could create if it had 2 or 3 nvidia 280GTX hooked in SLI OCed, 9GB DDR3 RAM @ 1333mhz.
one can only hope the new consoles will close the gap slightly on pc’s i just dont understand why sony has gone and put such a powerfull expensive CPU with everything else cheap.
its like building a comp with a intell i7 940 with everything else cheap 5 year old crap.
April 12th, 2009
Actual the Ps3 has 512 ram and the 360 524 including its video ram, and the Ps3’s XDR Ram is Faster than conventional ram
and how about you learn your facts before posting, also Any poll with The Chuck norris in it can’t be taken seriously
April 12th, 2009
Ok first off the CPU & GPU combined on one chips are not coming yet! If it does it will be Intel who is making these ships first.
both sony and micro osft has lost billions on consoles. Micro soft has lost about 7 billion
http://seekingalpha.com/article/33853-microsoft-s-earnings-report-slacker-xbox-360-consoles
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Lost-7-Billion-on-Xbox-and-MSN-9486.shtml
I have yet to talk about publisher losing money good read right here
http://ps3.kombo.com/article.php?artid=9651
April 12th, 2009
I think a smarter move for all parties would be to introduce backward compatibility into a new generation of consoles. By that I mean develop consoles that are based on the same architecture as the current machines, just with added grunt. Then developers can develop games that could be played on both this and next gen machines. Newer machines would have improved graphics, AI etc, but the game would remain playable on a current gen with less eye candy. This is how most PC games work. Dev costs for the new consoles would be minimal, and current owners wouldn’t be alienated. Games devs would have a much larger install base to sell to from the outset.
April 12th, 2009
Rimmer, I believe that pretty much is what MS have done with the 360. Wasn’t even talk of ‘forwards’ compatabilty?. So the game detects the platform and turns off certain gfx features (could decrease resolution, turn off AA, lower draw distance, etc.).
yamumsawersome:
The problem is, not only would that box cost alot of money to manufacture, you’re also paying for any R&D, packaging, advertising every few years. I wish they would just create ‘xbox for windows’ or something where it was a custom xbox O/S that you could run on any PC.
April 12th, 2009
I can’t see a new xbox for at least 3 years. It’s selling better than the ps3rd and making a profit even after a disasterous start with rrod.
Although there will be a lot of high expectations for the the third xbox console just like sonys ps3rd.
April 12th, 2009
are sayin ps3rd because it’s in 3rd place?
April 13th, 2009
Nice work kevo! Why are you wasting your investigative talents on this website when there are so many unsolved crimes out there??
April 13th, 2009
“i mean the ps3 has what 266MB and the 360 has 512MB off the top of my head.”
@yamumsawersome
Yep that’s off the top of your head alright, cause it’s WRONG! PS3 has 512MB of ram just like Xbox 360, it just uses it in a different way then 360. Where in the hell did you get that number, 266?
Also game consoles are custom made mostly for the purpose of gaming and with the intent to sell in mass quanity. Where as a PC with 3 GPU in SLI with all the crazy specs you listed off are not meant to be or expected to be sold in massive amounts. In other words, dream on, specs like that are not going to be on a console anytime too soon! Besides like I said, consoles are custom made to optimze code for gaming. If you had a PC with a quad core, 512MB of ram split between the CPU and GPU, and a graphics card similar to the PS3’s RSX, you think the games are going to look as good as PS3 games? Not even close my friend!
April 13th, 2009
lol Harry.
April 13th, 2009
lol u guyz but we all know the 360 will last like the ps2 + ps3 which makes this generation so speacial to our hearts lol…so i have no clue when the next piece of hardware is comin to a theater near you
April 13th, 2009
Knighthawk
A cheap Quad Core (like say the Q6600), some 2gbs of DDR2 @ 1066Mhz Ram and a 1gb or 512mb GPU based on the ATi 4870 & Nvidia GT240 are hardly pushing the limits of cost right now, as it is.
If they were to be selected for the sort of multi-million level vast production in a new console liuke the next Xbox then prices would fall much further.
(and it would be perfect for closing the gap between PC & console, reducing dev costs)
……and if you honestly imagine your PS3 could even begin to hold a candle to something like (as you mentioned fully optimised and dedicated to gaming as a console is) that you’re laughably deluded.
Wake up.
April 13th, 2009
The 360 getting the year head start was one of the smartest marketing moves M$ has ever made. That way the company can point to there sales and say “look we are in second place”. And there retard fans gloss over the fact that the console had a year head start advantage. It’s more of the same – smoke and mirrors.
April 13th, 2009
if the next xbox hits the market first, it’s game over for sony and the playstation 4.
sony needs to hit the market first next gen, and do so on a console that is NOT $600. that’s where the smart money is…..
either way, i don’t see the next xbox selling as aggressively at launch given the memory of the RROD. many gamers will not be buying the first generation of next xbox’s (myself included) until certain there will be no more RROD issues.
ms needed to hit the market first this gen, given sony’s HUGE customerbase. next gen, no rush. most of the ps’ fanbase have either bought a competiting console or are ignoring the ps3 altogether, leaving sony a pitiful fraction of a userbase to brag about or build upon.
barnabe – kinda like you ps3 fanboys gloss over the fact sony bragged about it’s 150 million “loyal ps users” to build from versus the xbox’s 24 million.
April 13th, 2009
“A cheap Quad Core (like say the Q6600), some 2gbs of DDR2 @ 1066Mhz Ram and a 1gb or 512mb GPU based on the ATi 4870 & Nvidia GT240 are hardly pushing the limits of cost right now, as it is.
If they were to be selected for the sort of multi-million level vast production in a new console liuke the next Xbox then prices would fall much further.
(and it would be perfect for closing the gap between PC & console, reducing dev costs)
……and if you honestly imagine your PS3 could even begin to hold a candle to something like (as you mentioned fully optimised and dedicated to gaming as a console is) that you’re laughably deluded.
Wake up.”
@Happyhockum
And those specs are a little father off then what I was saying. An Nvida GT240 is just a little more powerful then a 7900 (similar to the PS3’s RSX) I was saying that if a CPU had the same amount of RAM as the PS3 and had a GPU like a 7900 (RSX) (even if it had a qud core) then it would not produce the same effect as a similar speced PS3. Now a CPU with the specs you listed are obviously going to out power a PS3! I also PC game so I don’t deny that. However you should be the one to wake the up and actually READ what I posted instead of trying to twist my words! Also the specs you listed are still going to cost quite a bit more then a PS3, but you missed my point all together! I was not bashing PC gaming, I was just pointing out that console gaming gives you far more bang for your buck. If you deny that, then you are the one that is deluded my friend!
April 13th, 2009
“if the next xbox hits the market first, it’s game over for sony and the playstation 4.
sony needs to hit the market first next gen, and do so on a console that is NOT $600. that’s where the smart money is…..
either way, i don’t see the next xbox selling as aggressively at launch given the memory of the RROD. many gamers will not be buying the first generation of next xbox’s (myself included) until certain there will be no more RROD issues”
@Kev
So lets get this straight. If the next Xbox comes out first then it’s game over for Sony with the PS4? But then you say so many people will not but the next Xbox at first because off the rrod issues? Do you see the contadiction you just made there? With PS3’s track record of having rock solid hardware, one could also say people might skip Microsofts box and wait for the PS4! Either way, I don’t give a shit cause I’m going to buy both of them and enjoy what they each have to offer. Honestly if you can’t afford both then that’s just fine, buy the one YOU like the most and be happy with it. Also what are you, some kind of fortune teller? I can’t tell the future, but something (it’s called common sence) tells me Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony will all be going at it for a while to come.
April 13th, 2009
knighthawk – yes..game over for sony.. the momentum typically swings with the first to market with similar competitors. it may take longer but it’s still a losing proposition for sony.
no contradiction; just one more post over your head….
it’s okay, i’m constantly reminded how little you ps3 fanboys can comprehend….
April 13th, 2009
Kev, M$ needs to get some first party studios and worry about putting out some good games. Are you really satisfied with exclusive DLC and timed exclusives? If you love useless consoles so much, perhaps you should also get a Wii.
April 13th, 2009
@Kev
You have it backwards i believe. If Microsoft releases a new 720 early, its YOU who will suffer. yes, there were reasons for axing the first xbox, BUT, the end result is the consumer suffering. You really think, MS will support an “older” generation machine? The ONLY reason XP’s support was extended, was because Vista sold so terribly. Why does this matter?
Because that is how MS does business. They don’t ‘care’ about their consumers. As soon as the 720 is announced, kiss the 360 support goodbye. Sony has a proven track record of “supporting” its consumer by supporting (squeezing) every last ounce ($$) from their systems.
On to the meat of my post: If MS releases early, not only will they AGAIN be losing money, BUT, Sony/Ninty will get a sneak peak of MS system specs and adjust. Also, given the current market prices, to make an up to date system is at least $1000, that is to run Crysis as flawless as you can. MS will have to build a whole new system from scratch….this in on top of again, cutting out their 360 owners, which they WILL do, and the nail in the coffin ( so to speak ) is their reputation for faulty hardware (RROD) as by them releasing another system first, it will again seem that they are “rushing” to be out first.
Sony on the other hand, by NOT releasing first has many advantages. First off, it has learned not to overprice its system ( but will they truly “learn”) The PS4 is rumored to be built on the same architecture as the PS3, meaning The Cell will have gotten even cheaper for them to develop, even the latest processor by then. They already passed that bill to us with the PS3. On top of that, Blu-Ray drives are reaching cheap prices already. Another cost that was billed to us the PS3, that saves Sony money on the PS4. So, overall, Sony has actually a lot going for it by the time the PS4, releases: Built on the Cell Architecture, which R&D costs will not be an issue, Blu-Ray Drive costs will no longer be an issue, plus, it will have Six-Axis supported even more and probably even better implemented. All that will really cost Sony money is the GPU.
The icing on the cake is this: Sony this generation has NOT been buying exclusives, but instead has been focusing their resources on their OWN 1st/2nd Party development studios. They themselves have stated they want to be just like Nintendo in having the BEST 1st/2nd Party titles, something that MS currently is the weakest point about the 360. Sony has MANY MANY 1st party franchises, whereas MS has less than a handful…
The PS4 will have competition, but it will NOT come in the form of MS…
No my friend, that competition will come from Nintendo. The next generation will be a battle between Nintendo and Sony. Nintendo, having stored up vasts amount of cash, can not only afford to go BALLS OUT with the tech of their next generation Wii2 console, they will have perfected their new control scheme and will most likely be the ONLY player in town with a unique control scheme. It will be blue tooth3 to save from interference and disconnects. No my friends, Nintendo is just a sleeping baby dragon right now…the dragon will be unleashed in the Wii2….
That is my hypthesis of the next generation, which won’t come hopefully till 2013…if you truly read and understand what i have posted, a lot of it makes sense
happy reading
April 13th, 2009
Windows XP = PS2
Windows Vista = PS3
Windows 7 = ?
April 13th, 2009
“The next generation will be a battle between Nintendo and Sony”
Wow.
Sony do have many first party franchises, but many of them don’t sell too well. There is only GT that is the big selling one. Although granted, 50 million is a niche market, as kev likes to point out.
I can see Killzone becoming a big franchise for Sony in the future though. Halo big? Doubtful, but I’m looking forward to KZ3 already. KZ2 has given the KZ franchise a real shot in the arm.
April 13th, 2009
I have trouble believing that whatever console is first to market won’t sell. People tend to like getting “the cool new thing” regardless of whether or not it’s any good. It only needs to be affordable and bear the illusion of improvement over an older product and it will sell.
-Arvis
April 14th, 2009
I wish Sega still made consoles…
April 14th, 2009
I had a dreamcast…..it was the shizz.
PS and MS is not going anywhere. The sky is NOT falling Kev.
Enjoy your current consoles and stop worrying about whether it is selling the best or if they are going under ….. They are all doing fine. Some better than others.
April 14th, 2009
@ Knighthawk
Sorry, my mistake (although as I also referenced the ATi 4870 I’d have thought it obvious).
I did not mean to say GT240, I meant GT260…..although after the debacle with the mk1 Xbox I expect hell to freeze over before MS would use another Nvidia design.
@ jojo29 (or is an Ivan socky?)
No, wrong.
Microsoft do stand by the OS for a long time.
Do you have any idea how long Windows 98 was properly supported?
I know you Sony fanboys love to trot out the tale of the mk1 Xbox but surely even you guys now know the truth about how Microsoft did not hold the rights to the mnajor components and got into an almighty row with Nvidia when they wanted to drop production of the GPU leaving Microsoft high and dry?
Jeez get off of it guys.
The Xbox 360 is going 45nm SoC at the end of this year or early next.
Valhalla is the SKU and everyone but the mnost blinkered fanboy knows it’s on the way.
……and btw the track record (as revealed here and all over the net) is that MS got the gen on the PS3 designs and the Xbox was created & built knowing what Sony planned with the PS3.
There is absolutely no reason in the world to expect Sony to pull that trick off next time.
Sony can continue heading up their self-made proprietary dead-end (as usual) with the Cell.
No-one is rushing to use Cell (except Toshiba in their TVs….how ironic).
Quad core CPus from the PC world now will be more than sufficient to make an serious leap over current tech, particularly if allied to a reasonably decent & recent GPU design, a decent level of RAM & a nice big HDD (or the option to install a nice big HDD) .
In fact with the financial disaster that PS3 has been for Sony it may be that
1) they drop the Blu-ray drive (they themselves have suggested this may happen on PS4) and
2) they return to an industry standard CPU.
My bet is still that we will see before 2010/11 are out.
I certainly hope so.
April 14th, 2009
These guys reckon Intel are doing the next PS CPU.
Bye bye Cell.
h**p://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/851/1050851/intel-design-playstation-gpu
April 14th, 2009
“knighthawk – yes..game over for sony.. the momentum typically swings with the first to market with similar competitors. it may take longer but it’s still a losing proposition for sony.
no contradiction; just one more post over your head….
it’s okay, i’m constantly reminded how little you ps3 fanboys can comprehend….”
@Kev
Wow, PS3 fanboy! Sorry not me, I don’t have the time or energy to be a loyalist when I have an Xbox 360, Wii, PS3, and a PC that blows all my consoles away in terms of graphics. Not to mention I have a 60 inch and 46 inch 1080P LCD. Just because I mention the PS3 in some of my posts, that makes me a fanboy? I have read alot of your posts Kevo before signing up. See I know a little more about you then me, and if anyone were a fanboy between us, my friend it’s you all the way. Point out one post where I bash another console and say PS3 is THE BEST! All the consoles have their pros and cons, I’m blessed to have a good job and be able to afford nice things. I enjoy all each console has to offer and could care less which company sells more. One more post over my head? Good thing I only made about 5 posts on this site. How many have you made? lol, you crack me up Kevo!
April 14th, 2009
Knighthawk, you and I sound fairly similar (own each system/format and try to be objective about each)
In regards to Kev, you WILL be labelled a ps3 fanboy, lapdog etc, if you don’t post something pro-360 in each and every post. You cannot be neutral, you are either 110% 360 or your a fanboy. You will also find NO ONE knows the BUSINESS like he does ….. NO ONE !!! If you don’t agree with his opinion, you know nothing of the BUSINESS.
Kev, does provide me a good laugh though. I will give him kudos for an apology he once made. It was very sporting if him
April 14th, 2009
Spideydog:
Ironic thing is too, my 360 has gotten the most play time from me! Oh no, does that make me a 360 fanboy? What until my PS3 hears about this!
April 14th, 2009
lol i have a fanbase… but what makes me mad is that the 360 could be alot better than it is…see microshaft was like fuck it put faulty hardware out and we’ll take of the software side to move console when sony is vice versa about it…but i did have a 360 before it gotten it’s eternal period lol
April 14th, 2009
^
Yeah well RROD issues aside I think the 360 is a nice piece of tech. Microsoft is still new in the hardware side of things, I hope they learn from their mistakes next time. I want to see them do really well, just like I want Sony and Nintendo to do well. More competition = better games for all of us!
April 14th, 2009
Knighthawk:
That article was entirely about the GPUs, not CPUs of the next generation of consoles. The Cell is not going anywhere, yet.
April 14th, 2009
spidey – when you clowns can’t even name the business model consoles run on, you have zero room to whine about the business end of the industry.
if you notice; the only time i laugh at you and the other ps3 fanboys business “savy” is when you clowns start making stupid predictions (again) when 100% of them have failed in the past…..
i label you clowns fanboys simply becuase you:
1. hold ms accountable for the rrod issue when you forget sony had a much larger issue last gen.
2. forget xbox live has more features than psn yet you claim psn is better because it’s “free”
3. you squint and claim the ps3 is selling fine when it has failed every sales projection thus far.
4. you claim xbox was a failure because it “lost” 4 billion for ms in 4 years while the ps3 has lost sony 4 billion in 2 years..
5. you continue to believe people want bluray when the sales say different.
6. you claim the ps3 is the best value when the consumers clearly don’t see it that way.
these are just off the top of my head…..
enjoy.
“knighthawk”…? he should have went with “dragon”…
April 14th, 2009
“That article was entirely about the GPUs, not CPUs of the next generation of consoles. The Cell is not going anywhere, yet.”
@JofaMang
Sorry bro, I think you got me confused with some one else. No where did I say or imply that the cell was going anywhere one way or another. I think you meant Happyhockum, he made that post. That is way too far off to believe one way or another, it’s all just rumor right now! It would make business sense for Sony to use the cell in some form again, it would keep dev costs way down! We shall see what happens.
April 14th, 2009
“1. hold ms accountable for the rrod issue when you forget sony had a much larger issue last gen.”
HA! That’s the dumbest thing you have EVER posted here. Seriously. Read my lips: THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A LARGER ELECTRONICS FAILURE ISSUE THAN THE XBOX 360 RED RING OF DEATH. Ever. For any product. Well, any product that didn’t have a mass recall, anyways.
“2. forget xbox live has more features than psn yet you claim psn is better because it’s ‘free’”
More features like…? Cross game chat and….? An annual bill? Because that’s all I can think of that XBL has that PSN doesn’t. Hardly worth $50, wouldn’t you say?
“3. you squint and claim the ps3 is selling fine when it has failed every sales projection thus far.”
Whose projections? Source please.
“4. you claim xbox was a failure because it “lost” 4 billion for ms in 4 years while the ps3 has lost sony 4 billion in 2 years..”
Source please.
“5. you continue to believe people want bluray when the sales say different.”
The simple fact that there ARE sales tells me that people want Bluray.
“6. you claim the ps3 is the best value when the consumers clearly don’t see it that way.”
The numbers don’t lie: the PS3 gives you more for your dollar than any other game console on the market. This is actual value and not a matter of opinion. Obviously the way each consumer perceives this value is going to be different. But over 20 million people seem to think that the PS3 is a great value.
Your turn to wear the clown shoes for a bit.
-Arvis
April 14th, 2009
LOL MS learn from their mistakes?
Good one Knighthawk!
I have a Wii Ps3 and a great PC. I won’t waist money on an xbox 360. I had 5 Xbox 1’s at one time so I am not a fanboy.
Maybe if the 360 gets to $99.
April 14th, 2009
@kev
I wouldn’t bother answering Arvis’ questions looking at some of his ridiculous questions. These fanboys know what you’re getting at yet make you go and get sources and shout them down anyway or dismiss the source i.e. “they must be getting paid by m$”
Def agree with your first comment because I went through 2 ps2’s, a second hand silver ps2 and finally a ps2 slim, which still works.
April 14th, 2009
jojo29:
“Because that is how MS does business.
They don’t ‘care’ about their consumers.”
Jebus H.
Your rather twee notions that ANY CE corp actually and genuinely “cares” about you
(as opposed to simply wanting your money asap)
are touching if quite deranged and veering on the ludicrously childish.
This is about ‘business’, you might want to look it up.
‘Caring’ (beyond giving the impression or a pretense) is entirely absent.
From all of them.
Are you about 5 or something?
As for you notions that Microsoft drop product support very quickly (and moving swiftly along after you preferred to ignore my point about their OS support)…..
I’ve noticed recently some conspiracy theorists claiming that there has been an upsurge in Xbox 360s giving E74 errors (after a recent XBL update).
The claim was that they have rejigged things so the console doesn’t show the usual RROD but an E74 error thus allowing Microsoft to sidestep their extended warranty costs.
Sadly for this little fantasy Microsoft have just extended the 3yr warranty to include E74 error faults.
Now, how long do the rest stand by their products, hmmmmm?
Try again PS3 fanboys.
April 14th, 2009
Sony are still standing by the PS2, though I don’t know what happened to the Xbox Mk I.
Try again.
April 14th, 2009
Sorry for the delay, busy at the office today…
Unfortunately, I’m blocked from most gaming sites here at work, but I did manage to get one link which outlines the losses the ps3 has created. 3 billion in jan 08…should be closer to $5 billion by now…
http://objectmix.com/xbox/701533-sony-has-lost-3-billion-dollars-because-ps3.html
the source is at the bottom.
Secondly, sony STILL refuses to even acknowledge the ps2 had dde and dre problems, forcing most to replace the ps2 at their own expense. The aggressive ps2 sales that are still going on are for replacements. You don’t think people would buy the ps2 if they didn’t have to do you? Of course you do…..*rolls eyes*. To say the RROD issue is the biggest problem in console gaming history is an opinion. The fact remains, ms stood by their problem and IMMEDIATELY took action at their expense, while sony refused to help their gamers last gen until the courts forced them to. This is why you ps3 fanboys are hypocrites.
Xbox live comes with voice communication in EVERY SINGLE game. Not so with the ps3’s gaming library. In fact, when people bought xbox live last gen, it came with a communicator AND a free game ($60). So, MS gives you things for free while sony forces you to buy your own communicator if you want to communicate on PSN. Then there’s party jumping, Netflix, and cross game invites, just to name a few. Go ahead, tell us all how it “doesn’t matter” to you therefore it’s no benefit to the millions who chose xbox live over PSN.
Consumers buy on value. The perception of value is as varied as the consumer’s themselves. A gamer without a 1080p tv has not found value in a 1080p console. A gamer w/o a wifi network has found no value in integrated wifi in the ps3. if the ps3 was really the value you claim it is, it wouldn’t be falling in year over year sales. For gamers the wii is the best value, proven by the sales. Everything else in the ps3 is bells and whistles that you are being forced to pay for regardless if you want or need them. Value unsupported.
There you go, Bozo…now back to the big top with you…..
April 14th, 2009
lol
Typical dodge lock-down.
April 14th, 2009
hehehe
April 14th, 2009
Happyhockum
MS stands by their products? Are you kidding me?
So, what you are saying is, you feel microsoft, “stands by their product” because they extended a warranty on a product that is malfunctioning right out of the box….nice one…
How about this: Was MS “standing by” their product when the first RRODs were coming in droves? You sure they didn’t try to DENY RROD reports, and even went so far as discount them entirely? That is until they finally got caught, THAT is extreme it took for MS to “stand by” their product….
No, i don’t really think corporations really care about me. If you have read what i actually posted, you would read this segment that i wrote about Sony as well:
“Sony has a proven track record of “supporting” its consumer by supporting (squeezing) every last ounce ($$) from their systems.”
Notice word twisting? The difference between MS and Sony, is all about image. As it stands RIGHT NOW, ironically, MS is all about the money. They handle their dealings at the front of their business, for good or for worse, in 90% of the cases its for the worst, as anything that has the Microsoft stamped on it, associates Microsoft as a greedy “evil” corporation.
Sony on the other hand, keeps those dealings in the background, where they belong. They at least pretend to be your friend, egging you on to get a 2nd job to buy their products
See what i did there?
Its all about perception and image. IMO, and a helluva lot of people, MS just comes out and greedy, and not ‘caring’ about their fanbase, as this is evidenced on how they run their businesses. Yes, Windows98 was supported BUT ONLY because 2000 was such crap and no one wanted it. Its the same thing with Vista. I have Vista myself ( 64bit for DX10, hey im a gamer, but the question is did i PAY for Vista…), I believe last June MS was just gonna end all future patch and support for XP…just like that. BUT, since Vista flopped, in terms of sales, they were FORCED to extend support for XP…hmmm sounds eerily familiar with the whole RROD…forced to “standby their product”…
Now, just before i get totally labeled a fanboy. I don’t want MS out of the games industry. Because of them Sony is having themselves a helluva rude awakening, and because of that we have LittleBigPlanet/MGS4/KZ2/GoW3/Ratchet/GT/MLB/ICOs next game/Uncharted/Resistance and you have Halo/Forza/Gears/PGR….and i think thats it for your exclusive franchises…
April 14th, 2009
Sony didn’t give me any support when my ps2’s broke
April 14th, 2009
My 60gb Falcon Xbox was flawless.
Just like my Falcon Elite.
Not even a single lock-up.
So, I have flawless operation & a 3yr warranty.
What did you get, 30days?
Your claims about Microsoft just scream ‘fanboy’.
You’re the one that brought up their OSs and now you got called & shown up about it you’re reduced to whinging something along the lines of –
‘yeah well, they would have cut their OS support early except, er, um, yeah, except everyone would have kicked up a fuss, so they didn’t…..but it’s what they really wanted to do!’.
That’s just wanting to have it both ways.
They supported Win98 & 2000 for 8 and 6 years respectively.
The truth is they do support their products for many years.
It’s perfectly legitimate that they prefer they customers to move on to their newer and current products (do you slate Ford or General Motors for no longer selling – and ’supporting’ with post sale performance enhancing modifications – their 10yr old cars?).
Nevertheless XP support for instance is scheduled to 2014 – and as has happened before this may well change – some expect XP to dominate Laptop/Notepad systems for a hell of a long time yet.
One last thing……I don’t know what cave you’ve been living in for the last decade or so but in terms of your notion of which multi-national Corp has the best image?
Well, if you think Sony’s is an untarnished positive one you’re just shouting ‘fanboy’ again.
They’re both multi-national Corps.
Neither are exactly what you’d call a particularly ‘popular’ breed’ anywhere I’d suggest.
Most grown-ups know they are all pretty faceless and ‘cold’ organisations (although the really nasty ones try and exploit kids and dupe the more gullible ones into feeling actual human emotion for them….like ‘love’ and ‘hate’).
To return to topic……
When Microsoft do release their next Xbox I’d bet large amounts that their Xbox 360 experience will heavily inform their choices.
I expect it not only to be a market leader and set the trend for the next gen but it also to have reliability 2nd to none.
The fanboy element can whine about how ‘unloved’ they feel (by a multi-national Corp….such a camp, juvenile & hilarious idea) but if there is one thing that can be said about Microsoft it is that they are not stupid.
Their actions over the 360 to date show that well enough and I expect it to be reflected in the next one in spades.
April 14th, 2009
Sorry KnightHawk, that was indeed in response to Happyhockum, but was before my first cup of coffee.
So i redirect at Happyhockum: the article you posted was about the GPUs, not CPUs. Your reading comprehension is right up their with you preception of quality!
April 15th, 2009
My launch 360 hasn’t missed a beat also. Neither have the 6 or so other friends of mine who got one around the same time, and I give mine a bit of a beating, i.e streaming movies/shows along with playing games. I play dvds on my 1080 upscaling dvd player. Very nice!
April 15th, 2009
So is the Next Xbox gonna be Vista, or Windows 7? This analogy can be interpreted either way:
Xp was/is very successful, even if questionably reliable until sp2.
Vista was forced down everyone’s throats, and when reguritated repeatedly, was resold as a antacid.
7 promises to fix everything, and is being reviewed very positively, even if only in beta form.
Many consider the 360 to be like Xp, successful even through its early reliability flaws, and shaping up to finally be a trustworthy machine with the Jasper and upcoming chipsets. If so, the next xbox could be a disaster born of hubris.
Personally, I like to think of the 360 like Vista. I have run vista on my more powerful computers and have enjoyed what it could do in the perfect circumstances, but overal it was an innarguable failure. This analogy might be more negative about the current gen, but I am hopeful that the 360s successor will be a massive improvement that will win people into the fold without gimmickry, like 7 from vista.
April 15th, 2009
“My launch 360 hasn’t missed a beat also. Neither have the 6 or so other friends of mine who got one around the same time, and I give mine a bit of a beating, i.e streaming movies/shows along with playing games. I play dvds on my 1080 upscaling dvd player. Very nice!”
@Harry sachz
Then you and your friends are some of the lucky ones! I’m on my 3rd 360, my dad is on his 5th, and everyone else I know personally has gone through a couple. So far so good with my 3rd one! If that one goes then I will buy one with a 120GB hard drive. I’m out of luck after my 3rd one because I bought my 360 at launch. Kinda hope my 3rd one dies, I want that red RE5 one! Need the thrid one to die before the misses will even consider letting buy a new one! lol
April 15th, 2009
Knighthawk,
The red one would be pretty sweet, how long is it available for?
I guess we must be lucky. One thing we all have in common with our machines is ventilation, they have their own shelf space in the entertainment unit (the old PS2 used to sit on top of the video recorder, but I threw the recorder out).
April 15th, 2009
PS2 issue was so much larger than RROD …….
BAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA. That is the most laughable thing I have ever heard. 33% failure rate ….. ps2 not even in the same league m8, not even in the same ball park. You are drivilling xbot fanboy fool m8.
I see you still bring up the same garbage claiming it as FACT. Things don’t change.
I will not be arguing with a fool, it just brings me down to your level.
Oh, I just heard that microsoft just got successfully sued “Aussie inventor in $537m Microsoft damages win” Wow that is going to leave a mark ….. lol M$ thieving ideas again and now they pay.
April 15th, 2009
“The red one would be pretty sweet, how long is it available for?
I guess we must be lucky. One thing we all have in common with our machines is ventilation, they have their own shelf space in the entertainment unit (the old PS2 used to sit on top of the video recorder, but I threw the recorder out).”
@Harry sachz
Not too sure how long it will be sold for but they still have them at my Best Buy, hopefully they will have them around for awhile. Yeah I’m a freak when it comes to keeping my hardware clean and lots of room for it to air out. Just have not been lucky I guess. I have never used one of the external fans as I don’t trust them and some can void the warrenty. Perhaps I might have butter fingers when I bring my 360 to my friends next week! Just be sure to take my hard drive off first! lol
April 15th, 2009
Spideydog:
“PS2 issue was so much larger than RROD …….”
How would anyone know?
Microsoft released at least financial numbers to allow a guess at how big a problem RROD was but IIRC Sony never admitted jack sh*t about the PS2 disc read error problem.
April 15th, 2009
JofaMang:
“That article was entirely about the GPUs, not CPUs of the next generation of consoles. The Cell is not going anywhere, yet.”
My mistake and yes you’re right.
I had my wires crossed there.
I forgot about the other strong story doing the rounds.
The PS4 CPU will be heavily based on the existing PS3s.
h**p://gizmodo.com/5056674/sony-ps4-will-use-existing-ps3-cell-processor
Intel GPU (hmmm, that’ll be interesting……I suspect a solid but very unremarkable ‘journeyman’ unit, again) and the existing CPU.
I was right last time I mentioned this.
You have PS3.5 to look forward to.
LMAO
April 15th, 2009
Happychokum
Did you even read what i posted? I never said either Sony or MS ‘cared’, the only thing i said that was different was the perception of each company, and even then i poked fun at BOTH corporations, but in the end, MS has the MORE “evil, anti-consumer” image than Sony. I used the phrase “more than”, not is, meaning Sony, too, is an evil corporation, although they tend to use better smoke and mirrors to conceal themselves before you realize your wallet is empty….happy, please read what people post….
As far as OS goes, YES, i did bring them up to compare that MS ONLY “supports” their fanbase, when they are “forced” too. Yes Win98 was supported for a long, long time, but that was because 2000 was a mess, so they did so because no one wanted to buy 2000 and stuck with 98.
I agree with the XP statements. XP, at first was a mess, but now is a really awesome OS. BUT, they were going to cut XP out, just like that, if Vista hadn’t failed so miserably. Let me rephrase, THEY WERE GOING TO CUT OUT ALL XP SUPPORT i believe last June, just like that. No patches, updates, nothing. Just cut it out. BUT, Vista failed and now they are once again “forced” to support XP, unless 7 steps up to the plate. Its shame really, i like Vista.
As far as your 3yr warranty vs my 90 day warranty. Don’t make me laugh. Yours is only a 90 day warranty as well UNLESS you get the RROD. That 3 yr ONLY covers RROD issues. Which of course you can lie to them, but at the core, IT ONLY COVERS RROD.
Plus, it should be 3 years anyways, the 360 is poorly built machine. Great games, but piss poor built machine. My brother is on his 4th, but he does a work around, he buys a new one, switches serials numbers and keeps the new one and sends in the bad gets his money back….yeah, that sounds like something i want to be doing….in terms of quality, Sony pisses on MS’s machine.
On the PS2 front. You know what is funny about that? I believe the defect rate of the PS2 was something along the lines of 3% ( it was equal to or less than the industry standard of 5% ). The 360s is 33%!!!
April 15th, 2009
NOTE: Not to say the PS2, didn’t have a problem, it was a problem for those who got it, but, it was nowhere near the 33% failure rate of the 360.
Either way, Sony learned from the PS2, Microsoft took 2 steps back from the Xbox…
April 15th, 2009
jojo29
Another typically confused and amusingly contradictory set of posts, you’re on a roll.
You’re still making excuses because you can;’t bash them for what they did.
The fact is that regardless of how they arrived at any of these decisions, nevertheless they did arrive at them.
In fact what you are reduced to whinging about is that they responded to their customers’ wishes.
As for your claims that the 3yrs is only for RROD then we can all see that that is total BS here today, with the E74 story.
(and seriously if you honestly really don’t know how to make an Xbox go RROD by now you just shouldn’t be let out of the playground)
I just love the way you PS3 drones are left jumping up and down obviously trying to persuade yourselves that long warranties are a bad idea.
….and you wonder why no-one is listening to your PS3 preaching.
LMAO
April 16th, 2009
If you have to intentionally cause RRoD in order to be covered by a warranty, because something else failed, you are not really covered, you are committing fraud. I guess there really is no honor among thieves:
You give money to a company that sells you a faulty piece of equipment, in turn you commit fraud in order to get a shiny new piece of shit. This is not a statement on anything other than console reliability. I would own a 360 if I could be confident I wouldn’t have to commit fraud to compensate for its inherent shittiness.
I don’t need a long warranty, I own a PS3.
April 16th, 2009
JofaMang
“If you have to intentionally cause RRoD in order to be covered by a warranty, because something else failed, you are not really covered, you are committing fraud. I guess there really is no honor among thieves”
Well boo hoo hoo.
I guess I’ll end up crying till the tears run down my legs.
Jebus H, is that the best you can whinge in reply?
You’re left whining that what can be done and what will cover all Xbox owners isn’t quite as intended – even though morally (should your Xbox go t*ts up) the weight of ‘natural justice’ is on the punter’s side.
The contortions you PS3 drones twist through to make this seem ‘bad’ are nothing short of hilarious.
I have done nothing btw.
My Falcon (like almost all the Falcons) has been 100% reliable.
I’d love to see some proof from you ladies showing Xbox reliability is unchanged from the days of the worst rates.
Go ahead…..
Only the PS3 drones could be so risibly bigoted as to try and trash a 3yr warranty.
(a 3 yr warranty lets not forget designed so that it included all Xbox 360 owners from the 1st one sold and now proving to be flexible enough to – officially with E74 – include any other possiblity of problems)
I guess that’s all too much for those with a laughable 30, 60 or 90 days, hmmmmm?
April 16th, 2009
It is still fraud. You (figurative, not literal) have to commit a criminal act in order to have MS honor a warranty on a faulty machine.
Covering RRoD and E74 is not flexible… it is two faults. It is only flexible because xbox owners have been screwed so much by M$ that they have no moral qualms about committing a crime to get a warranty.
I pay for extended warranties on all my electronics. Having that warranty cushion (that covers EVERYTHING, without resorting to FRAUD) is a nice piece of mind, that has payed for itself 20x over. Hell, just one claim is worth more than all the extended warranties I have payed for ($2500 LCD TV went tits up 5 months after purchase, 100% coverage and delivery hassle free with warranty).
April 16th, 2009
JofaMang
I don’t know where you’re from but in the UK a blanket 1yr guarantee is normal on almost everything. 2yrs is becoming common and 3 is not exactly unknown.
But it gets much better than that, under UK sales law expensive CE items are also considered under what is ‘reasonable’.
It’s just not reasonable for a $200+ game consoles to go phutt after 2yrs or 3yrs.
At 4 or 5 it gets questionable but hardly an outrageous proposition.
It would simply never be considered reasonable that a $2500 TV went kaputt after 2yrs nevermind 5mths.
The only drawback to this consumer law is that far too many consumers are unaware of it or the powers it gives them.
Nevertheless it does.
So what it really boils down to is mere semantics and you moralising.
Good luck with that.
By forcing your Xbox to go RROD it merely short-circuits the tedious arguing and pointless hassle.
We don’t need costly (and often useless) extended warranties.
We just need manufacturers to stand behind their products properly.
BTW my comment about the 3yr warranty being flexible seems perfectly reasonable to me.
A new ‘issue’ arose and was swiftly incorporated into what the warranty covered.
That seems flexible to me.
April 16th, 2009
Two things:
1) What the heck is “whinging?” I see it all over this website, and just assumed it is a typo-ed version of “whining,” but I see it with so much regularity that I am forced to ask about it. Is it some British/English term?
2) Nobody is saying long warranties are a bad thing. They’re awesome and offer much needed peace of mind. The issue is, really, the release and persistent sale of a product known, PRIOR TO SALE, to be faulty. In THAT singular act, Microsoft is indefensible, with or without extended warranties. Any sensible person could see that.
-Arvis
April 16th, 2009
Whinge or whinging is a whiney complaint.
Warranties?
Well ok Arvis. I mean, once you’ve done the stating the bleeding obvious where do you go from there, hmm?
You introduce warranties and refunds to put the situation right with those suffering hardware issues and you release new SKUs which cure the problem.
Which is what happened.
And what?
April 16th, 2009
Well, there’s no evidence to support your claim that any of these new SKUs have “cured” the problem. People were saying that same thing over a year ago, and here we are, STILL dealing with the very UN-cured RRoD AND dealing with the brand new E74. With all these new SKUs, it looks to me like 360 hardware is actually becoming even MORE faulty.
Either way, extending the warranty is all Microsoft COULD do to combat this huge issue. The only other option was a mass recall, which would have effectively ended their foray into the gaming business. They didn’t do the “right” thing, Grumpy. They did the “only” thing. Microsoft does not deserve any credit of any kind for this fiasco. What they deserve is a lawsuit.
-Arvis
April 16th, 2009
No Arvis.
What we now have is a ‘normal’ fail rate being exaggerated as if nothing has changed.
Nobody makes a perfect product everytime and just because this remains true of current Xboixes it does not mean that fail rates are enormously down.
We know they are.
You just have to look at how the saturday-job fanboys can no longer pretend that their Game Shop is returning millions of failed units.
E74 can be caused by many things but not even the most blinkered PS3 fanboy is going to pretend it is as big an issue as RROD was originally.
I really don’t care either way.
My unit is working perfectly and if I get a problem I have 3yrs cover for free.
So, we’re still left at my original point.
Accepting the fact of the matter that they had problems they really ought not to have had……
….they did the right thing.
1) They refunded those who paid for fixes before the warranty was rolled out.
2) They set up an industry-leading warranty.
3) They rolled out new SKUs that resolved the original problems……and in the few instances where problems do still arise they refer you to their excellent warranty.
They rest is mere whinging (:P) that they didn’t get it 100% correct from the off.
Well, ok.
That sometimes happens.
So long as they address the problems in every practical way, really, who cares.
(besides the obvious PS3 fanboy element sucking on their horribly sour grapes that even their best viral efforts to publicise every & any Xbox 360 problem on every possible news outlet going their beloved console is still firmly bolted into 3rd place in the sales, naturally)
LOL
April 16th, 2009
ooops.
Of course “it does not mean that fail rates are enormously down” should read
“it does not mean that fail rates are NOT enormously down”
April 16th, 2009
The laws in Canada regarding expected warranties are vague, and complicated. It can be an expensive and labourious process to get an item replaced past its basic warranty. Here you are stuck with the manufacturers warranty (generally only 90days on a majority of electronics) or you pay a fee to the vendor for an extended warranty.
My TV was only 90 days, and I was 2 months past that. If i didn’t have the extended warranty (an extra 80 bucks over purchase, varies depending on the product and its price) I would have been out of pocket for the repairs/replacement.
Not being wealthy in any sense of the word, I chose the extra fee over taking the risk. In my house, as smokers with cats, electronics can be compromised even with the most diligent cleaning and maintenance. It works for me.
I would love it if we had better laws about these things, but I don’t hold my breath when it comes to politicians in this country.