A week after E3 2009 and still no PS3 price cut announcement
E3 2009 was full of announcements, some big, some small, some expected, some out of the blue. Overall, it was a good conference, with all three consoles having lots of new games aired and shared. But there was one thing missing and that was price cuts from any of the hardware manufacturers. Sony in particular needs to act before this generation is truly lost.
We kind of knew before E3 2009 that Sony was not going to use the annual conference to announce a PS3 price cut. The company argued beforehand that E3 wasn’t the right venue or event for such an announcement, with content being the only star of the show. And so it proved. But here we are a week after E3 2009 finished and there’s still no sign of that long-awaited PS3 price cut.
I’m sure I’m not the only consumer that’s astonished that Sony has yet to cut the price of the PS3 even in the face of continuing poor sales for the console. Every month sees the Playstation 3 take another beating at the hands of the Wii and Xbox 360, and every month Sony fails to take the hint and cut the price.
But it’s not just consumers who are annoyed at the policy, with Activision Chief Executive Bobby Kotick telling Bloomberg recently:
I was disappointed not to see any sort of aggressive price cutting. Of all the things that the hardware companies need to be doing right now, it’s recognizing the difficulties of the economy and pricing their hardware appropriately.
To be fair, Kotick mentioned all three of the hardware manufacturers but Sony is the one which really needs to heed his advice. The Wii is already cheap enough and while sales continue to stay healthy it’s highly unlikely Nintendo will feel the need for a price cut. And Microsoft has been quite aggressive with its pricing of the Xbox 360, and it’s currently around the price I feel is correct for the console.
Kazuo Hirai defended the price of the PS3 in an interview with Bloomberg at E3, saying, “We’re very happy with the price point that we have. We will move when we think it’s appropriate at some point in time.” But surely that time is now, with the recession in full swing and people increasingly keeping their hands in their pockets.
Maybe all is not lost. GameDaily reports that Sterne Agee analyst Arvind Bhatia recently noted:
Industry sources indicate Sony is planning a $100 price cut on the PS3 in mid-August, just prior the launch of Madden (8/18) and the start of the back-to-school shopping season. This will naturally be a positive for the industry.
That is indeed positive but then haven’t these same analysts and industry sources been claiming a PS3 price cut is imminent for most of the last year? And still it’s nowhere to be seen. I realize Sony is in a position where it cannot really afford to cut the price of the PS3 but doing exactly that is the only way the console is going to start shifting in serious numbers.
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June 9th, 2009
Agreed on the attractiveness of a price cut.
I believe I heard in a podcast (1up maybe) that they are waiting to clear existing stock off shelves before they hit them with the redesign and a price drop. August seems like a good time for this, and as long as the do it before the holidays they should be sitting pretty. 100 dollars seems like a bit much for Sony, but just right for consumers on the fence now. I wouldn’t be surprised if they did it, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it was only a $25-$50 price drop.
June 9th, 2009
What is it that those expecting a price cut don’t get about this?
Sony keep telling anyone who’ll listen what’s going on.
There’ll be no price cut on the PS3 until PS3 costs are low enough so that it remains profitable even after any possible price cut.
Seeing as the PS3 has (probably) only very recently broken even in production costs v price there’s zero chance of much of price cut this year.
My money says $50 US (at most) between now and 2010 – and timed for the X-mas period.
I guess a token bundle or $25 drop at autumn is a faint chance but a tiny $25?!
Come on, that’s hardly anything worth talking about.
All of which also sits against a backdrop of Sony as a whole being in a deep financial hole & making big losses.
It just doesn’t add up to a big change in price this year (again).
The net result of all this is that Sony are well and truly stuck in 3rd and last place in sales for this gen.
They just cannot sell fast enough for the duration of this gen to catch 2nd nevermind 1st.
Meanwhile at the years end (probably timed to counter or preempt any PS3 move) Microsoft will introduce the new 45nm Valhalla SoC (combined CPU & GPU) Xbox SKU.
Cheaper to produce, smaller & undoubtedly with a new lower price point.
It also has to be said that now that profile 2.0 Blu-ray stand-alones are much cheaper than PS3 (and better quality/spec) they no longer pull in the a/v punter as the PS3 is now far from being the cheapest best spec entry into Blu-ray that it once was.
You have to say, none of this looks good for PS3.
June 9th, 2009
It has to be said, any big relaunch splash Sony have been hoping to make with a new ’slim’ PS3 is going to be well and truly countered & spiked by that new slim SoC 45nm Xbox 360.
A new slim 360 likely to be selling with an even bigger price differential than what exists now.
June 9th, 2009
The Wii has sold for profit since day one. Since then both Sony & M$ have had price cuts. The PS3 still sells at about a $40 loss per console. Wii’s probably cost around $20 to make, plus have no features or decent games to play.
I DEMAND a price cut from Nintendo! Even if the Wii was $100, I still won’t buy one because the games suck.
June 9th, 2009
Happy i admire ur high hopes! keep it up mayb that will keep your 360 alive a lil longer.
and thanks for comparing a PS3 to a bluray player.
now compare ur 360 to a dvd player (sad but true)
June 9th, 2009
The difference is that a slim PS3 this year will get people interested again (CarlB as an example), whereas a slim 360 this year will likely be akin to a slim PS1; nice to have, but not going to have a significant long term impact on sales.
Not only because it’s already at a low price point, but also because its exclusive system selling games are already out (Halo 3, Gears 2), with no blockbusters on the horizon to coincide with the release of slim version; at least certainly not this year to successfully counter a move by Sony.
You’ve got to remember that when the slim PS2 was released, it was brought out to coincide with the launch of hugely anticipated San Andreas (which is still the top selling PS2 game).
I’m prepared to eat shit if I’m wrong, but connect the dots here and to me it doesn’t take a genius to work out why not only are Sony’s big games are getting eased back into late 2009/10, but that a slim PS3 will almost certainly be launched to coincide with Uncharted 2, or probably even more likely Gran Turismo 5, the latter of which is undoubtedly the game that most people are waiting for.
John Koller has said that releasing Gran Turismo 5 will be a case of “when it makes the most sense”…it makes no sense to release your biggest IP when you’re losing money on a console…but it does make sense to release it to coincide with a slim console that you’re going to making money off.
This year at least, the 360 has no big system selling games to coincide with a redesign that would really challenge Sony. Although saying that, that could be why Halo ODST has got pushed back to September…
June 9th, 2009
Roca
You really don’t get it do you?
You got led up the garden path (that Blu-ray was to slide in as ‘the next DVD’) and now all you’ve got left are some petty feeble jibes about disc size – just as Xbox starts to move over to digital distribution which has no size limitation at all.
You see I really don’t want a cheapo game console Blu-ray drive.
It’s money totally wasted to me.
I have a proper high quality Blu-ray stand-alone, I have no need whatsoever to put money into second rate duplication, thanks.
lock_down
I think we saw umteen possible big ‘launch titles’ for a slim Xbox for towards the end of the year (Alan Wake, MGS Rising, COD6/Modern Warfare 2 and Forza 3).
No?
June 9th, 2009
Alan Wake is 2010, no?
MW2 would be a good time to introduce a slim, but it’s multi-plat, and Sony will have its slim out by then, so its potential effect is questionable…same with MGS:R.
We’ll see.
June 9th, 2009
Happy, you are indeed an idiot.
For the past TWO years, the PS3 has been the BEST Bluray player on the market, only recently being surpassed by what, company’s 2nd, 3rd iterations of Bluray players…
Sorry, but your 360 fanboy skirt is showing again. The PS3 bluray player is by no means 2nd rate, and by saying so only makes you look fucking stupid. Sorry but your putrid fanboyism has actually bothered me today..so good job on that.
If you want links, just hit up
Anandtech, CNET, PC Club, PC magazine, and a bunch of others that will tell you, the PS3’s Bluray players is one of the BEST out there.
Here just for you a small exert:
“Since the PS3’s debut, we’ve seen several Blu-ray players from Samsung, Panasonic, LG, and Sony itself. And none of them generally perform any better than the PS3, even though they cost more (twice as much or more in some cases). HD movies look superb on the PS3, which can output video at full 1080p resolution via its HDMI 1.3 port.”
June 9th, 2009
Also on the digital distribution argument: NOT for a LONG time. Not until they can get TRUE 1080p streamed. Not until the actual stream for a 1080p movie is within seconds, and NOT until the web infrastructure can handle that.
On top of that you have wait until there is a business model that doesn’t allow for piracy, or, should i say, movie companies allow their movies to be streamed and all the politics that go with that.
And to add even more to that, you have to wait until there is a consumer FRIENDLY subscription based business model because if Time Warner has their way, they will be limiting bandwith caps, charging for going over or extra.
No my friend, YOU just don’t get it. Digital Distribution is still a long ways off. I’m not arguing its not coming, im arguing its not coming anytime soon…at least another 15 years..
June 9th, 2009
I agree with jojo29.
I have a PS3 and a Sony BR and the PS3 loads the movies a lot faster.
The BR player is fairly new. 1080p is 1080p no mater which player it comes from.
Also If you plan to only download games then your going to need a big drive an lots of time.
MS over charges on their HDD’s so good luck with that. At least we can change our HDD without having to mod the PS3 or buy an over priced one.
June 9th, 2009
jojo29
F*ck off with your sad little insults.
If you want a conversation and an exchange of views then try engaging without the schoolboy baiting.
k?
June 9th, 2009
Quell surprise ncassie.
The problem you have is rather than pretending digital distribution is, what was it 15 years off. (LMAO) it has started and it’s happening now.
I, like even stacks of PS3 owners, download content directly.
You can preach the history all you like if it makes you feel better but the fact is that PS3 has been long since replaced now by cheaper better Blu-ray players – and the a/v owners now it.
1080p is indeed 1080p however you get it, and anyone who has looked at the encodes knows there’s plenty of very high quality 4.3gb, 8.5gb, 12gb and 16gb ecodes ad well as straight HD DVD & Blu-ray rips.
June 9th, 2009
Happy, awwww..did you get mad…poor sap to bad. Its what happens when you spew non-sense like the PS3s Bluray player being “2nd rate”.
Happy, again, your a sad pathetic 360 troll.
Yes, DD is STARTING, BARELY starting to roll out now. BUT, it will take A LONG time for it to replace physical media. Remember happy, there are a LOT of politics in regards to: 1) Movie companies not wanting to get their movies ripped, 2) Distribution companies wanting their cut too ( look at the recent Time Warner hiatus) 3) The actual web being able to handle not only ALL the users wanting to DL GB/TB of information, but also having to host all those movies.
Sorry Happy, your gonna be sad for quite a long time buddy.
I’m not preaching history. Its FACT.
FACT. PS3 is STILL one of the best bluray players on the market. TODAY. The only beef is its price, but then again, your Bluray player Happy, (the irony in that statement is you talk so much shit about Bluray yet you admit to having a BR player?) cannot play games, DL movies/shows/ or even browse the net can it Happy.
So Happy, just STFU…stick the 360 preaching..at least there it seems you know what you are talking about.
June 9th, 2009
Also, Happy if you actually, i dont know, READ my statement, i NEVER said DD wasn’t the future. I even said it IS coming. But not soon as you may want to think…which is weird you would, being that you bought a BR and all…..your a sad confused little boy Happy…
June 9th, 2009
No jojo, I didn’t get mad at all, it’s just a PC screen.
It is pretty tragic watching your feeble attempts to bait a boring flame war tho.
June 9th, 2009
Oh dear.
Just noticed your ridiculous comment “which is weird you would, being that you bought a BR and all”.
Actually you’re the one giving away your typical confused and absurd fanboy nonsense right there.
June 9th, 2009
Activision just wants to sell games they don’t care about Sony or any other consoles.
Bobby Kotick is ignorant idiot fuck him.
They will be no price cut this year
PS3 is very affordable i got 2
June 9th, 2009
this article should be posted around the holidays
June 9th, 2009
Im not trying to bait anything. Im merely pointing out your idiotic and skewed view of the PS3s BR player. Then you go on about how great a decision MS is making by going DD, when you yourself have a BR player….<—if you don’t see the irony and fanboyism in that, your just a hopeless little boy happy..
Also, in your past posts you have blatantly bashed Bluray, yet here you are, admitting that you have a BR player….sad confused little boy…
So, by putting two and two together, you:
Bash the PS3’s Bluray player and hate Sony’s push for BR, yet you buy a standalone BR player.
You praise MS for their decision to bring Digital Distribution….and again bash Sonys backing of the BR…
What message are you trying to portray Happy? It seems to me you love MS teabagging you, and you praise it actually, you HATE Sony pushing BR on the PS3, yet you buy a standalone BR, which for the most part is most likely an equal than or less capable BR than the one on the PS3 ( again the ps3 offers more than just a BR player )
It just seems to me Happy your a confused child, who hates Sony and the Playstation brand, in need of direction….
Thats the bottom line for you Happy. This is what you represent…a blind, putrid, fanboy….and i m just exposing you is all…sorry to get your MS skirt all ruffled up…later blind fan boy
June 9th, 2009
just as Xbox starts to move over to digital distribution which has no size limitation at all.
ohh really???? Sony started doing that uhmmm since Warhawk cameout, then Gran Turismo Prologue, then Burnout Paradise, Socom, Tekken 5: DR, etc, etc ,etc..
PSP has most of its game available for download….again M$ and your 360 are far behind
June 9th, 2009
jojo
The blind fanboy is yourself (as you again show here).
Only a blinkered fanboy could fail to understand my rational in buying (a much better) Blu-ray device for my movies but preferring Xbox for my gaming and looking to digital distribution.
You’re the one who seems to think we have to be all one or the other.
Typical blind fanboyism in a nutshell.
Naturally (to you) any rational discussion of PS3 not cast in glowing terms just has to be “hate” (or should I say “HATE”……I’m just surprised we weren’t treated to a zillion exclaimation marks as you punched out the characters on your keyboard).
Enjoy you loopy attitudes, they certainly make me laugh.
June 9th, 2009
Another argument about how great PS3 blu ray player is…………
Isn’t this argument about 3 years old?
@jojo
Don’t you see the paradox when someone about the irony of being a fanboy with the amount of fanboy statements you’ve being making lol
June 9th, 2009
Happy
“prefering my Xbox for my gaming and looking to digital distribution”
Sony started doing that uhmmm since Warhawk cameout, then Gran Turismo Prologue, then Burnout Paradise, Socom, Tekken 5: DR, etc, etc ,etc..
PSP has most of its game available for download….again M$ and your 360 are far behind
And as we all know 20/60/120GB aint going to help much. PS3 will always win in that department as 360 owner are force to buy first party HHD which is alot more expensive and has alot let memory. so shut up and get ur facts straight.
June 9th, 2009
Wow, that’s twice you’ve waded in to make the same lame point, Roca.
…..and it was laughably pi$$-poor the 1st time.
June 9th, 2009
Happy,
just make all your post say “ps3 sucks” over and over.
At least your point would be less disjointed.
June 9th, 2009
is laughably as compering ur 360 to a dvd player.
PS3:
Blu-ray — Check
Digital games (retail games) — Check
Downloadable HD movies — Check
free HD movies from the Web browser to the PS3 HDD — Check
Wi-fi to make it easier — Check
Free accees to the PSN to make it even easier — Check
360:
Red Ring of Dead — Check
only 3 available HDD sizes which makes it to store all your content — Check
No bluray player — Check
no wi-fi — Check
have to pay $50/year to access to downloadble media — Check
no Digital games (retail games) —Check
June 9th, 2009
^^ exactly phranctoast, exactly was i was merely pointing out
June 9th, 2009
What’s up phranc, you too eh?
If you look at my original post all the PS3/Sony info comes directly from Sony themselves.
(The Valhalla stuff is well known stuff from Microsoft sources.)
Sony themselves are the ones who kjeep saying no price cut – and it’s straight from Sony that said no price cut until the PS3 is not only breaking even in terms of production costs v price but also after any price cut.
It’s also a matter of fact that Sony are in trouble financially.
Maybe Sony’s financial results guys & their senior execs who told us about the price cut stuff are Xbox fanboys, right?
Maybe they should just forget the details and say “PS3 sucks”, huh?
Sorry the facts once again cause you guys such grief but it is all from your fav Co.’s own mouths.
June 9th, 2009
Happy….no one is debating about price cuts here…
June 9th, 2009
No, of course you’re not jojo29.
You got as far away from the actual topic as you as fast as you could.
Pretty typical & transparent stuff really.
June 9th, 2009
“You got led up the garden path (that Blu-ray was to slide in as ‘the next DVD’)”
And yet you bought a standalone BR player..
“and now all you’ve got left are some petty feeble jibes about disc size – ”
Again…you bought a DEDICATED BR player…
“just as Xbox starts to move over to digital distribution which has no size limitation at all.”
And this is where you praise MS for DD….after having bought a BR player…and when PSN has the same DD offerings…
“You see I really don’t want a cheapo game console Blu-ray drive.
It’s money totally wasted to me.”
And this is where you are dead wrong. The BR player in the PS3 is NOT “cheapo”. It took until NOW, for other BR players to “catch up” to the PS3s BR. In fact, the PS3 BR player was rated THE BEST, since it is able to update as well as be the latest profile…get your facts straight boy.
“I have a proper high quality Blu-ray stand-alone, I have no need whatsoever to put money into second rate duplication, thanks.”
Again with the Sony hatred…your true blind putrid fanboy colors are showing..
From your own putrid blind fanboy mouth…
This is where you decided to move off-topic…
June 9th, 2009
Looks to me, YOU are the one who went off topic..
June 9th, 2009
Roca, just a couple of points that you missed on 360 (not trying to argue):
I think the red ring is pretty much dead and has been for some time. There may be a few out there still along with e74, but only a fraction of what it originally was.
For HDD sizes, I think the 120 is good (although the 20 worked fine for me for years also). They will most likely come out with a larger one later on, but the beauty of good dd is that you can always stream/download the same content again if you need to (I never have after deleting mine) free of charge.
Blu-ray becomes less of a factor when 1080p downloads become an option.
Not everybody needs or desires blu-ray or wi-fi, both of which are not essential to play the majority of the current top rated games.
You do not have to pay anything for Silver, and it allows you to download media. Digital games on demand has also been announced for later this year.
To me at least, there is no real need to get a PS3 when one already has a 360. If all one wants is a good console for gaming, they can get (yes, even an arcade) into the game with the least expensive console on the market.
If they get to the point where they have exhausted the 200+ some favorably reviewed games (and somehow managed to keep up with the steady stream coming in the future), then maybe they would have a reason to get the PS3 for the relatively few other good exclusives it has available.
To me personally, I think the PS3’s main draw are those few exclusives (which will number even more in the future). I still cannot justify the expenditure (yet), even though I am able to afford it, as my time is completely consumed with 360 games alone.
June 9th, 2009
One-eyed as always jojo29.
Look again.
It was your village idiot fanboy Roca/Ivan who started bringing Blu-ray & DVD into it.
June 9th, 2009
@Carlb – ‘(I never have after deleting mine)’
Funny you should say that because I couldn’t agree more (in %99 of cases), I’ve not redownloaded much of the stuff i’ve deleted from the PSN (the one exception being a format for ubuntu – i had to re-dl a whole lot).
June 9th, 2009
In response to your “comparison”….
You were the one to bring it up….alas, Happy, i expect nothing more from your 15sec memory…but allow me to show you:
“It also has to be said that now that profile 2.0 Blu-ray stand-alones are much cheaper than PS3 (and better quality/spec) they no longer pull in the a/v punter as the PS3 is now far from being the cheapest best spec entry into Blu-ray that it once was.
You have to say, none of this looks good for PS3.”
….but continue to bash the PS3…its the one and only thing you can do without looking like an idiot…sometimes..
June 9th, 2009
You’ve put ubuntu on PS3 SW?
I was tempted to put Yellow Dog Linux on mine, but am not too sure if it’s a good idea…
June 9th, 2009
It didn’t really run well. I mainly wanted to see if I could stream movies across my network. In the end they were really choppy so I removed it (wanted the hdd space back).
June 9th, 2009
jojo29
Much as you obviously prefer not to hear it the fact is that what I said there was perfectly reasonable and true – and relevant to the issue in regard to sales and likely pricing.
Of course the new BD players will full spec and a much lower price have now removed the PS3’s previous position as the cheapest best spec’d way into BD.
That’s actually not a bash, it’s merely and only a statement of the present reality.
As I said it was the PS3 village idiot that started the whole BD v DVD nonsense.
June 9th, 2009
Actually Happy, it was a bash. Roca or whoever merely pointed out that you were comparing the PS3, a system that plays GAMES AND plays Bluray movies to JUST a BR player…to which you retorted:
“You got led up the garden path (that Blu-ray was to slide in as ‘the next DVD’) and now all you’ve got left are some petty feeble jibes about disc size – just as Xbox starts to move over to digital distribution which has no size limitation at all.”
After that i merely pointed out the obvious loop holes in your hypocrisy and hatred of Sony in your putrid blind fanboy rants….
As far as the Price Cut…im not debating the point or reasoning of why/how/when of a price cut…Sony has explained that already themselves, despite EVERYONE wanting one…<— i didn’t get off topic,
I was merely given an opportunity to show people what you really are: A blind, putrid fanboy..
June 9th, 2009
SW,
Perhaps you could answer this one. My brother in-law owns a PS3 and is trying to stream movies from his computer to his PS3. Doing this on the 360 is relatively easy (god bless my 1TB external drive) however he seems to be having trouble doing it on his PS3. Do you know if this is possible without using something like Ubuntu?
June 9th, 2009
Yeah right jojo29.
Sure it was.
Anything that points out what may be causing PS3 lower sales (and therefore delaying any possible price cut) is just a bash.
LMAO.
I see you’ve just decided to go along with the theme & reduced yourself to laughably pathetic name calling now.
You’re keeping great company with the village idiots Roca & Ivan.
Tragic.
Maybe if I was about 4 I’d be ‘hurt’.
LMAO
June 10th, 2009
Harry,
It can be done with ubuntu because you can use VLC (which plays like fucking anything, you could feed it a sandwhich and it would play it…), BUT from my experience it was very choppy (however I was concentrating on HD files). I can’t test it again with divx/xvid’s because it would mean formatting my PS3’s drive again and I can’t be bothered, sorry
.
My advice in short would be not to bother.
June 10th, 2009
Ok thanks. I’ll just tell him to stick to playing movies via a flash disk, seems the easiest thing for him to do.
June 10th, 2009
I can stream all my movies from my PC using Windows Media Player or PS3 Media Server. It works perfectly. For Xbox 360 is better using Windows Media Center works really good. PS3 can stream reads more audio and video codec then Xbox 360 just saying.
June 10th, 2009
@ Ivan,
I don’t use Media Center to stream movies as Microsoft aren’t adding the divx codec to media center extender, something about trying to stop piracy.
What files can you play on PS3 that you can’t on 360?
June 10th, 2009
I just stream directly to the Xbox via My Xbox –> Videos –> My Pc –> Shared folder etc.
June 10th, 2009
Perhaps you could answer this one. My brother in-law owns a PS3 and is trying to stream movies from his computer to his PS3. Doing this on the 360 is relatively easy (god bless my 1TB external drive) however he seems to be having trouble doing it on his PS3. Do you know if this is possible without using something like Ubuntu?
Your right on that, it easier on the
360. but it aint hard to do on the PS3.
here are the steps You have to do to enable Media Sharing:
1. Open Windows Media Player.
2. Put your cursor on the Library tab. A small arrow will appear under the tab.
3. Click on the tab. A pull-down menu will appear.
4. Click on Media Sharing. A window will appear
5. If not checked already, check the box that says “Share my Media to:”
6. There should be an “Unknown Device.” Click on it, and then click on the “Allow” tab right beneath it.
Then on your PS3 Click on “Search Media”
June 10th, 2009
Streaming works fine on mine ……
June 10th, 2009
@harry.
what Ivan said works well. He just needs to set his pc up as a media server through windows media player. he’ll set up a specific folder to share and the ps3 will be able to see that folder.
June 10th, 2009
Sorry guys, but as much as a fanboy Happy may seem to you, he does make some pretty strong points that I agree with! PS3 is an amazing system, my favourite this gen, but it just did not realize the same success as it’s counter parts, by a long shot. Sony got fed a huge piece of humble pie this round! If Sony gives a $100 price cut this holiday season, keeps pumping out the wicked games, it may, just may outsell the 360. However if Sony keeps it up too much longer, I agree with Happy that it’s 3rd for PS3. Happy, 360 could sell a billion more then PS3, PS3 would still be the best overall system in my humble and honest opinion. 360 is awesome, but as a harcore gamer, If I had to choose between the two, PS3. You OBVIOUSLY (lol) want to marry the Xbox 360 Happy! Hey that’s cool, that’s your choice, as long as it suits you then go for it. Just relax a little Happy, 360 aint going away!
June 10th, 2009
Oh and Ivan and Roca, please get lives!
June 10th, 2009
Knighthawk
LOL each to their own and as I have said many times, if PS3 is the thing for you then rock on.
Streaming?
Well I just got my Xbox to stream properly again.
Very strange.
I have XP SP3 ME 2005 (with roll-up software) but I can’t get the media extender to work as it should in Media Centre.
I’ve tried all sorts of things.
I have always been able to get my Xbox on-line for XBL but at the last stage of setting up the Media Centre connection it chokes.
I am running transcode 360.
Anyways, I can get the Xbox to link after allowing WMP to share all my vids, music & pics and installing Zune software.
Weird.
It’s also odd (and this may be the heart of the problem) but my PC is described as a Vuze device.
I suspect a software conflict but as it’s working properly (just not in Media Centre) it makes no difference.
harry
I just got a nice little spare & bare sata hard drive (’only’ 500gb – so that of the one in my DVR goes I can swap it with less hassle) to go in my USB caddy.
What does the Xbox see it as and where?
June 10th, 2009
“It’s also a matter of fact that Sony are in trouble financially.”
Who says this? the PS3 is not the only thing Sony sells.
If you can get extra features on your consol then why not take it? You people keep saying there is no need for BR and wi-fi but If you can get it then why not take it? It’s not like I don’t use those features. When my consol is on the main TV it is wired but when it is in my bedroom I use the wireless. So yes I do need those features. I don’t download from wi-fi but I use it for Home and gaming.
I for one like to get more for my money when I can.
My ISP has a cap and downloading HD movies would put me over the cap. Every gig I go over they charge me $5 up to $25. A 7 gig movie would cost me $25.
June 10th, 2009
SW:
@Carlb – ‘(I never have after deleting mine)’
Funny you should say that because I couldn’t agree more (in %99 of cases), I’ve not redownloaded much of the stuff i’ve deleted from the PSN (the one exception being a format for ubuntu – i had to re-dl a whole lot).
So you two pay to buy a move then delete it and never re download it? That makes so much sense it’s not even funny! Let’s pay full prices to rent games and movie! LOL How stupid can you be. Exactly why DD will never work for me.
June 10th, 2009
Thats sucks about your DL cap. I’ve always said that movie downloads will ultimately be competing as a rental service, and not as a feesable way to own the media, but with your situation it wouldn’t make sense to rent it that way at all.
June 10th, 2009
ncaissie:
“Who says this? the PS3 is not the only thing Sony sells.”
The financial press, when Sony release their profit/loss numbers.
Maybe you missed that they recently posted a huge loss?
h**p://money.cnn.com/2009/01/13/technology/sony.reut/
It’s got nothing to do with features.
It has everythiong to do with cost/benefit.
I don’t want the (necessarily) cheap Blu-ray player in the PS3, I have a far superior dedicated stand-alone which is not confined to doing things via sofftware and the Cell processor.
Wi-fi?
Ppppppphhhffffhhhh.
Pennies (and kit I already had spare anyways).
Sounds to me like you need to get a decent ISP.
Mine has no cap, 18mb down speed 1.2mb up and costs me £12 a month ($19 mth US)……and that’s in the UK where we’re not exactly spoilt for choice with great deals.
June 10th, 2009
The window firewall interferes with the PS3 seeing the media server.
If you install Divx then windows media player will play Divx movies.
Another thing is you need to click on the options for the library and add your media folder to the library list.
H!!p://maximumpcguides.com/windows-vista/manually-add-a-folder-monitored-by-windows-media-player/
If you find the movie streams slowly you can select a movie and download it (with the triangle button) to the PS3 HDD before you play it.
June 10th, 2009
Rogers cable is the only High spped service in my city other then Bell DSL. DSL sucks. I had to may problems with DSL. If I plugged more then one phone in the house then the internet would stop working. Also Bell Canada has a lower cap (60gig) then Rogers (120gig) does.
If you download 17 HD movies in a month you get a nasty letter from the ISP. They got me by the curlies.
June 10th, 2009
Knighthawk:
“Oh and Ivan and Roca, please get lives”
Funny u say that, because Im getting paid for being here. on the other hand you come here because ur a loner and you have nothing better to do.
June 10th, 2009
ncassie
Having once had a sh*tty ISP (they used to be great then they got taken over a few times & then started throttling, failed connections/repeated ‘maintenance’, failed to up speed like I asked & was paying for, insisted on my using their cr@ppy hardware etc etc) I sympathise.
A lot.
It’s a bad bind. I know.
Roca.
Seek help.
You need some stron meds for those deluisions.
June 10th, 2009
Im a “Network Security Administrator” at a big company (search on Monster.com how much we get paid)….so basically i get paid for doing nothing. so i come here to have a lil fun. you never see me on this website once im out of work.
and Happy i dont need meds for that. what you need is a 4-year Degree like mine
June 10th, 2009
Whatever you say Roca.
We believe you. Sure we do.
Boy have you just set yourself up.
June 10th, 2009
“I don’t want the (necessarily) cheap Blu-ray player in the PS3, I have a far superior dedicated stand-alone”
LOL, i highly doubt your “far” superior dedicated BR player is THAT much better than the PS3’s BR drive, which for a LONG time was THE best BR player on the market,NOT ONLY in Picture QUALITY but in feature sets as well.
See, Happy, this is where you go all wrong. This is where you go from ” actually bringing good points” to just another “blind fanboy”.
I am a fanboy. I have never argued that. But im not a BLIND fanboy like yourself. I can see and admit where Sony goes wrong.
You admit nothing wrong about MS. Thats the difference.
And at least if you were 4 happy, you would have an excuse for your garbage…
June 10th, 2009
@PS3 streaming discussion.
Tversity is by far the best streaming software I tried with the ps3. I don’t stream anymore as I installed XP64 while waiting for Windows7 (8gb ram) and apparently Xp64 doesn’t stream videos to the ps3.
It was flawless with XP Pro 32, and after trying most streaming options, would chose Tversity over anything else.
The bonus to streaming is no limitation on file size. The FAT32 standard’s limitation to 4gb file size sucks for me, as I built a library of 4 – 10gb BR rips that I can’t play on the ps3 without streaming.
MKVtoVOB solves the mkv-ps3 incompatibility issues, if anyone was wondering.
June 10th, 2009
@Jofamang
So XP64 can’t stream to the PS3? What about Vista64?
June 10th, 2009
All you’re doing there jojo29 is pointing out how the PS3 has been left behind.
It used to be the best price/performance deal.
It isn’t any longer.
Picture quality has been bettered but it was primarily audio that always the PS3’s problem (and HD audio is one of the main points of the whole shebang).
PS3 just doesn’t have the chipset for it and so it has to decode in LPCM using software and the Cell (which is why the PS3 sounds ‘flat’ compared to a proper stand-alone).
A software solution is almost invariably guaranteed to be the poorer option.
As far as my own Blu-ray stand-alone goes it is also (straight out of the box, no soldering or hardware messing required) multi-region for DVD and Blu-ray.
Yes, I do call proper HD audio bitstreaming and multi-region ‘far superior’.
Naturally what with you being the fanboy you admit to being it is in fact you that is blind to the facts.
We’re discussing PS3 here, what have Microsoft got to do with it?
But you don’t want any sort of critical discussion of the PS3, of course.
We can all see it.
Everything I have discussed here has been relevant to the thread topic and grounded in the facts.
Shame it bothers you so.
Nevermind.
I’m sure you’ll soon be able to pop up & spam your ‘RROD’/E74 BS on some coming thread.
Diddums.
June 10th, 2009
@ncassie
‘So you two pay to buy a move then delete it and never re download it? That makes so much sense it’s not even funny! Let’s pay full prices to rent games and movie! LOL How stupid can you be. Exactly why DD will never work for me.’
We don’t get the movie downloads in canada m8.
Go figure that one out.
June 10th, 2009
(oh that was for PS3 ^^^ I don’t use any 360 stuffs online)
June 10th, 2009
It also has to be said that a lot of people don’t see the point in collecting movies.
I have closer to 1000 myself and the number I watch over and over is relatively tiny.
That’s why if the price is right and the quality good enough downloads are just what some need/want.
It’s like rental but so much more convenient.
June 10th, 2009
Happy,
You were the one who started with the PS3 bashing and strayed off topic.
I merely pointed out that fact for all to see.
You were the one who brought MS into it, i already pointed that out and will not do so again, thus, going circles with you, which is what you like to do, just run about in circles as other posters other than myself have pointed out as well
As far as HD Audio, i have no qualms with your point there, its in fact one of the PS3s lesser abilities as a BR Player. BUT, as far as PQ goes, tell that to the people of AVS or Arstechnica….go ahead and try.
As far as HD Audio goes…well theres not much to say other than a true HDMI setup runs quite a bit, so really, until i am at that point, my “HDMI” setup i have now will have to suffice…and its far better setup than 90% of most people have
A far cry from your “far superior” setup<–in essence this makes you look a fool, now you are resorting to nitpicking 
you amuse me mildly Happy
June 10th, 2009
Also,
I was not arguing the point of the PS3 being in 3rd. Please learn to read.
I was not arguing the point of WHY the PS3 is in 3rd. Please learn to READ.
I was debating with you on your bash on the “cheapo” BR Drive on the PS3, the BR on the PS3 is NOT “cheap”, as it was rated TOP BR Player for a LONG time, DESPITE ONE step back in HD Audio.
There ya go, Happy, again i might add, and am done with you
June 10th, 2009
What model blu ray player did you buy happy? How much did it run you?
June 10th, 2009
I bought an LG BH 200.
It also plays both Blu-ray and HD DVD high def discs.
It cost me £230 (374 US).
June 10th, 2009
Far superior.
June 10th, 2009
Unlike some who prefered to cut their noses off to spite their faces I got a player to enjoy bargains from both sides of the fence.
Puyrple was in the end the only sensible way to go.
So many HD DVD bargains.
(that probably won’t compute with the resident all-or-nothing, one-or-the-other-only, fanboy element)
June 10th, 2009
You bought the red coasters?
Enjoy that. You do realize what they will be worth once the player breaks.
Maybe you could rip the image off them and throw in on a HDD.
June 10th, 2009
“Far superior.”
LOL, keep telling yourself that Happy…
June 10th, 2009
The most advanced Blu-ray Player is the one that comes built-in all PS3 models. Everyone knows that nothing is superior we even got features that no other Blu-ray Player has.
June 10th, 2009
The prediction bullshit with the price cut is straight up stupid. Everyone knows by now that they never anounce a price cut until they are about to cut the price. Hence, why the retailers know about it before we do. Sony will continue to say what they are saying because otherwise they will lose sales from people waiting for a price drop.
June 10th, 2009
phranctoast
No, I bought red and blue.
It’s all 1080p and HD audio goodness & incredibly inexpensive.
I got far more movies for my $ than any possible BD alternative.
Fanboys are format fans, I’m a movie fan and I’ve got a pretty big (almost 200 now) HD collection.
jojo20
Yeah, facts is facts, mine is indeed far superior.
Unlike you I don’t have to blind or kid myself or wave a fanboy flag for anyone.
I’ve got proper HD audio bitstreaming, multi-region DVD & Blu-ray and it plays HD DVD.
It plays discs to the profile 1.1 spec and we’re getting all the on-line profile 2.0 stuff in July – stuff which, laughably, all the Blu-ray PS3 drones found worthless when HD DVD had it and they didn’t but are now starting to come around to it being ‘awesome’ now they have got it.
Your PS3 can’t butstream HD audio (a major turn-off for anyone serious about this stuff), it is region locked and of course it can’t play HD DVDs, so no buying stacks of (cheaper than the DVD version) HD movies for you.
Awwwwww.
Yes, it is indeed a much inferior spec.
Ivan
Take your meds & get back into bed, you know Matron doesn’t like the inmates messing with the ward computer.
June 10th, 2009
Oh by the way phranctoast
I have a brand new HD DVD player tucked away in its box unopened for the unlikely event of a breakdown or accident.
It cost me £20 ($32 US).
It’s all covered and I have no worries about it whatsoever.
(when did you honestly have a cd or dvd player breakdown?
I had it happen once, about 20 years ago – ironically with the 1st cd player I ever bought, a Sony)
June 10th, 2009
“So you two pay to buy a move then delete it and never re download it”
NCassie, most of what I had deleted was free. Most of my downloads now are either arcade titles, previews, free shows, or demos. I rent through Netflix which I believe is probably the best way to go if you want to watch movies, and the cheapest (vice piracy). I still haven’t filled up my 120 and at least have of what I watch is HD streaming through Netflix, which negates the need for HDD storage for movies completely.
June 10th, 2009
Ah, I would also add that my spare player is the Xbox HD DVD ROM drive, which does indeed allow me to plug into my PC and rip the discs if I ever chose to.
Once again rather ironically I could then burn them to Blu-ray blank discs if I wanted
(in the event of the Blu-ray CE Co.s ever producing burners and blank media that was cost effective).
June 10th, 2009
“Sony will continue to say what they are saying because otherwise they will lose sales from people waiting for a price drop.”
They already have and will continue to.
June 10th, 2009
Hmmm, suddenly it’s all gone quiet, wonder why?
lol
June 10th, 2009
@Carlb, we both know he was implying loss ‘on top’ of the ‘baseline’.
I know you like to jab the big S tho, move along
‘Hmmm, suddenly it’s all gone quiet, wonder why?’
He’s reading the book you wrote or doesn’t check the forum every 3 minutes. I vote for the 3 minute thing.
June 10th, 2009
Best Blu-ray Players
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-blu-ray-players/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/147209/the_best_bluray_players.html
June 10th, 2009
“Hmmm, suddenly it’s all gone quiet, wonder why?
lol”
Because i was at lunch….
“Yeah, facts is facts, mine is indeed far superior.
Unlike you I don’t have to blind or kid myself or wave a fanboy flag for anyone.”
I don’t have to blind myself of anything. It is YOU who are kidding and justifying your purchase of a Dual Player, which in itself proved to be a waste as the “garden layed” BR smashed on HDDVD.
Also, again, in terms of PQ, Sonys PS3 BR Drive is FAR from being outperformed. Plus, I can play games/DL movies/Rent Movies/Demos/Browse the net, or whatever….one can say that makes the PS3 a MUCH superior “BR player”
“I’ve got proper HD audio bitstreaming, multi-region DVD & Blu-ray and it plays HD DVD.”
Ok, you got the PS3 on the sound department…but NOT by much. I believe its one notch below, so okay, you “got” me there….hey have you DL’d the latest HD movies on you BR player? Oh wait you can’t…
“It plays discs to the profile 1.1 spec and we’re getting all the on-line profile 2.0 stuff in July – stuff which”
PS3 has had that for quite a while…
“laughably, all the Blu-ray PS3 drones found worthless when HD DVD had it and they didn’t but are now starting to come around to it being ‘awesome’ now they have got it.”
Nitpicking and reaching much? I for one welcomed and commended HD-DVD on that front…
“Your PS3 can’t butstream HD audio (a major turn-off for anyone serious about this stuff), it is region locked”
It has a TON of other, already mentioned features that overcome this, and again, you got me on the sound department../golfclap?
“and of course it can’t play HD DVDs, so no buying stacks of (cheaper than the DVD version) HD movies for you.”
Wow, you are actually using “but it plays HDDVDs!” as an argument…I don’t even see HDDVD sections at my local Best Buy/Walmart/Target/Frys….
“Awwwwww.”
Poor Happy, he reaches for anything to justify his purchases…LOL
“Yes, it is indeed a much inferior spec.”
Whatever helps you cry yourself to sleep at night Happy…
June 10th, 2009
““Your PS3 can’t butstream HD audio (a major turn-off for anyone serious about this stuff), it is region locked””
Its funny you say this Happy and to further add to this.
AVSForums and Arstechnica, where some of the most hardcore HTS builders post in, can and will happily recommend the PS3 as a capable piece of their HTS setup, just a bit of knowledge for you, if you can turn aside your hatred for Sony and the Playstation Brand…
Again, those are highly regarded HTS sites, and even they recommend the PS3 as a HTS minus a few “quirks” the two most prominent being:
-The shape of the PS3 not allowing “stacking”
- The HD Audio is one “notch” below the best….
Thats the only two quibbles ive read on there that they have about it….again far from being a “cheapo, garden layed” BR machine.
Enjoy the taste of your foot Happy
June 10th, 2009
http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/06/05/ars-technica-re-reviews-the-ps3-blu-ray-dual-shock-home-lift-rating/
Found the review of the PS3 and its BR, its a Re-Review, from ArsTechnica
Enjoy
By the way, you can take your foot out of your mouth now
June 10th, 2009
Just to keep you on your toes a KEY sentence from not only GamerBlorge but from Ars as well:
“the Blu-ray profile was improved so that the PS3 is now regarded as one of the best Blu-ray players on the market..”
This was posted on 6/2008, about a year ago…and not much has changed, other than standalone players “catching up”, and by that i mean, by having lower prices…
June 10th, 2009
harry sachz:
Thanks i didn’t know that Microsoft did that no wonder i was furious that i couldn’t stream my movies using my Xbox 360. I will try some other media servers. I thought it was the New Xbox Experience bug. They show allow DivX streaming support is not like they gonna stop any piracy.
June 10th, 2009
@happy
Good look on the second player under your bed.
Are you sure the ps3 can’t play back bitstream? I was under the impression it could but only through hdmi and not through optical audio cables.
My receiver isn’t optimum for HD audio playback.
June 10th, 2009
jojo29
Your game console can play games.
Big deal, I have an Xbox for that, it’s all I need.
You can also play downloaded movies.
Big deal I have a (far superior and far more flexible) HTPC for that – which was a total bargain too btw, C2D6750, 2gb of RAM & 750 of HDD for £180 ($294 US).
You stick to the game console for your a/v needs if you like but it is a poor 2nd best to any dedicated kit, I assure you.
It’s ok if that’s your thing, personally I expect a lot more, especially if you one of those who got suckered at their launch prices.
You could say I spent the launch price on my LG, Xbox and HTPC.
I know who I think got the better more capable deal.
June 10th, 2009
No, it can’t phranc.
It decodes by software and outputs LPCM (optical cables can’t handle HD audio either, IIRC they max out – thanks to DRM – at 1.5mbps = the old peak DTS level).
June 10th, 2009
harry
If you use ‘Transcode 360′ you’ll be able to stream Xvid/Divx files.
June 10th, 2009
Bleh to transcoding or re-encoding.
June 10th, 2009
Why’d you say that SW?
It’s just a d/l once on your PC & forget about it kind of thing.
June 10th, 2009
My experiences with trying to transcode a 1080p rip was not good. And I’m certainly not going to re-encode it.
In the end I just purchased long component cables for my PC.
Still wish I could use the 360 tho
*shakes fist at the lack of MKV support*
June 10th, 2009
@ happy
“arry
I just got a nice little spare & bare sata hard drive (’only’ 500gb – so that of the one in my DVR goes I can swap it with less hassle) to go in my USB caddy.
What does the Xbox see it as and where?”
My TB hard drive connects via USB to my lapdance. I had to share whatever folders I needed to share, and then select the 360 in the list of devices that I want to share my files with. Then after a reboot (for some reason, Vista doesn’t automatically share the files unless it has a reboot) they are ready to play.
I was reading about transcoding, however second thoughts got the better of me, as the only difference between streaming via media center vs streaming to the xbox is the interface. I play my music via media center though. Yanni – Live At The Acropolis.
June 10th, 2009
“jojo29
Your game console can play games.
Big deal, I have an Xbox for that, it’s all I need.
You can also play downloaded movies.
Big deal I have a (far superior and far more flexible) HTPC for that – which was a total bargain too btw, C2D6750, 2gb of RAM & 750 of HDD for £180 ($294 US).
You stick to the game console for your a/v needs if you like but it is a poor 2nd best to any dedicated kit, I assure you.
It’s ok if that’s your thing, personally I expect a lot more, especially if you one of those who got suckered at their launch prices.
You could say I spent the launch price on my LG, Xbox and HTPC.
I know who I think got the better more capable deal.”
And round in round you go!
June 10th, 2009
SW
Have to agree there, native .mkv support on the Xbox would be nice.
But then again it’s kind of acedemic to me thanks to the HTPC, obviously that plays .mkv and I can stream across the wireless network.
harry
I know what you mean, s’funny how a networked PC/laptop makes life so much easier regardless of the console.
One thing I do like about the Xbox for playing various media is the HDMI connection, it means I can use my HD receiver to upscale everything nicely and get DTS & DD 5.1 @ 1.5mbps (I know it’s not DolbyTrueHD audio but for an encode it is nice quality) out of it on a digital connection.
I do have analogue cables for the 5.1 sound direct from the HTPC but obviously a digi connection is going to be better.
I’m looking into a low profile audio card (the Audigy Soundblaster SE look the most likely candidate, nice quality at a very keen price) for the HTPC.
jojo29
Cor, that was funny.
You give too much of yourself away tho.
All that idiotic “cry yourself to sleep at night” BS is desperately sad and it really just says stuff about you that you’d probably rather not be said.
Till next time.
June 11th, 2009
“Cor, that was funny.
You give too much of yourself away tho.
All that idiotic “cry yourself to sleep at night” BS is desperately sad and it really just says stuff about you that you’d probably rather not be said.
Till next time.”
lol, didn’t mean to hit a nerve there Happy…o well, it was fun pointing out you blatant pointless fanboyism
Till the next topic
June 11th, 2009
“Knighthawk:
“Oh and Ivan and Roca, please get lives”
Funny u say that, because Im getting paid for being here. on the other hand you come here because ur a loner and you have nothing better to do.”
LMFAO, whatever you say buddy, I make a few posts a week, you post like crazy and 99.9% is pure BS! Someone is paying you to be a fanboy, god what a waste of money! Actually I have better things to do, like play games instead of being a whore for Sony and PS3. If you like playing it so much, why the hell are you on here all day long? lol, you’re such a joke!
June 11th, 2009
^
Sorry that was for Roca!
June 11th, 2009
jojo29
Don’t flatter yourself (for once, please) you didn’t.
Knighthawk
It was an obvious case of a runaway gob hitting the keyboard.
But we will have some fun with it from now on.
I bet we see less and less of Roca and a new tw@t take his place.
June 11th, 2009
@SW
“We don’t get the movie downloads in canada m8.
Go figure that one out.”
Then why say you do? You said you delete them after you watch them.
Also I believe Apple TV is available here in Canada. I can download movies to Itunes any time I want.
So get your facts straight.
You said:
“@Carlb – ‘(I never have after deleting mine)’
Funny you should say that because I couldn’t agree more (in %99 of cases), I’ve not redownloaded much of the stuff i’ve deleted from the PSN (the one exception being a format for ubuntu – i had to re-dl a whole lot).”
CarlB and I were talking about movies so if your talking about games then say so.
June 11th, 2009
‘Then why say you do? You said you delete them after you watch them.
Also I believe Apple TV is available here in Canada. I can download movies to Itunes any time I want.
So get your facts straight.’
I SAID I DELETE DIGIAL DOWNLOADS ON MY PS3 AFTER I AM **DONE** WITH THEM YOU RETARD.
Does that mean I watch/play them once and then delete. No. It means games such as Warhawk that were not my cup of tea get deleted and never get used again. Whilst games like WipeoutHD that I still play don’t. As for AppleTV, if its available on PS3 then it does not show up on mine.
Here Ill quote myself again for you :
“I’ve not redownloaded much of the stuff I’ve deleted from the PSN”
Note the ‘PSN’ part.
June 11th, 2009
Yes and we were talking about MOVIES NOT GAMES RETARD.
Where did I say Apple TV is on the Playstation?
Stop making shit up.
June 11th, 2009
ncaissie – Well, in *my* opinion, Carlb was talking about both movies AND games hence :: “Digital games on demand has also been announced for later this year.”, and yes, I was replying directly to carl.
And since the ps3 (mine at least, again, keeping with the console gaming theme of the website here) doesn’t seem to be able to download any movies.
Also, thank you for replying to my nice ‘we don’t get dd here’ (again referring to my PS3), with such hostility!
AND finally, “Where did I say Apple TV is on the Playstation?” You didn’t and I never said you did. I simply asked if it was a feature, and obviously its not! But hey, I thought maybe this was a new service (hey I know its apple but who knows…). But I guess not.
You sir, are 11 kinds of awesome.
June 12th, 2009
Mostly games that take up the majority of space on my 120 (70GB now). Sorry, I should have been more clear before.