PS3 is obviously ‘superior’ to the Xbox 360 from a technical standpoint
There has been a bit of controversy surrounding a comment the senior VP of EA made. The VP indicated that the Xbox 360 is maxed out while the PS3 still has room to grow. This comment has started many flame wars spanning NeoGaf to Gametrailers. However, one has to wonder if comparing the two consoles is akin to comparing apples to oranges.
According to Gamepro, the Official Xbox Magazine (OXM) interviewed Senior VP of EA Europe, Patrick Soderlund who stated that the Xbox 360 is ‘maxed out’ while the PS3 has room to grow. Soderlund also stated, “Sony has a lot of good games this year. If you go to their booth, there’s a very consistent, high quality product line-up and that will help them.”
Soderlund also told OXM, “I like the Natal,.. The Xbox 360 is my personal favorite console… I think Microsoft is on a roll right now.” It really is an interesting conversation considering the fact he is talking to the Official Xbox Magazine after all. However, before fanboys around the Web get even more bent out of shape lets consider a several facts:
1) The PS3 came out one whole year later. In the tech sector one year is equivalent to 10 years in non-CE market timeframe.
2) The PS3 has a Blu-ray player built-in - Developers in the past have expressed concern about the limitations of the DVD9 namely, Project Gotham Racing developers, id Software – John Carmack, Assassin’s Creed developers, etc…
3) The Cell is supposed to be some super processor - Sony spent millions of dollars developing the cell which can do 2 trillion operations per second and is capable of curing cancer apparently.
The point I am trying to make is should we be surprised if the PS3 has more room for improvement over the Xbox 360? I don’t blame HP for making my two year old dual core computer slower than the new quad core Dell PC I just purchased this year. It’s just ridiculous to argue about things of such nature.
Lets face it, it really is all about the games and not about the hardware. I owned both the PS2 and original Xbox, which I purchased both on day one. The original Xbox came out later than the PS2 so I expected it to be technically superior to the PS2. However, I did end up playing the PS2 much more because of the games. Luckily, this generation we have both the Xbox 360 and PS3 consoles that put out great games consistently providing more quality games than you can shake a stick at. Is there really anything to argue about?
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June 17th, 2009
If is all about games then Xbox 360 is going down faster just look at Sony’s gaming empire there’s just infinite exclsuives and they all get awesome reviews and they never go Xbox 360 because Sony owns them all. And if is about hardware well Xbox can’t never win that one is impossible. Yeah Blu-ray Disc is a big plus because we don’t need to have 4 disc to play games that’s just old school crap. And The Cell is full potential which some of that potential is killing Xbox 360. EA knows PS3 can destroy the Xbox 360 a fact.
Mike Ferro:
Thanks for writing this. But erase the technical standpoint word. Is a fact PS3 is the strongest most powerful gaming system. With the best games.
June 17th, 2009
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHA
June 17th, 2009
Ivan : Please please I beg you don’t make a list of ps4th exclusives. If the list is now infinate then there is no chance of any of the rest of us getting a comment in!
Another thing to remember is that in the last gen the ps2 was the least powerful games machine between it, the Gamecube and the Xbox. And look what happened to it. It sold bucket loads and turned sony into the complacent company they are today.
Now look at it. The most powerful console, the ps4th is in last place and is getting beaten by, debatably, two less powerful consoles.
June 17th, 2009
ps4th?
June 17th, 2009
Yeah, ps4th. You know. Coz its in 4th place in sales. It used to be the ps3rd but now its getting beaten by the ps2, which should be ps3rd , what thats gonna open a whole new can of worms!
Oh and just read the article (maybe I should do that before wading in with comments). And the last sentence is great. Cause its worth arguing about.
June 17th, 2009
There are certainly elements of the PS3 that outshine the 360 equivalent such as the cell processor and the disc capacity, not to mention HDD in all machines. The problem is that there are also a lot of serious bottle necks that hinder these benefits. Why did sony only use 512mb of ram for example? seriously, my budget PC graphics card had that back in 2006, not to mention the rest of my PC system memory. And the graphics processor is technically inferior to the 360 offering, despite being introduced nearly a year later. Then there is the transfer rate and access time issues with bluray which end up requiring multiple instances of a file, thereby negating the benefits of increased capacity.
Lets face it, I could try and stick a formula 1 engine into a ford fiesta, it still wouldn’t let me win any races. On paper the 360 is in parts inferior, but as a whole package Microsoft got the balance better (aside from the idiotic cooling design).
@ Ivan – so all PS3 exclusives got great reviews? like Haze and Dragons Lair?
June 17th, 2009
^
It’s actually just called Lair. However I got your point, that Ivan is an Idiot! lol
June 17th, 2009
God bless you, Ivan
June 17th, 2009
I wouldn’t call Ivan an idiot per-se, he is just “special”. He does add to the humour factor in these debates though. His posts are straight from the “Politburo Way of Arguing” handbook in their unwavering support for Sonys gaming empire.
June 17th, 2009
“Yeah, ps4th. You know. Coz its in 4th place in sales. It used to be the ps3rd but now its getting beaten by the ps2, which should be ps3rd , what thats gonna open a whole new can of worms!”
omg!!!!!! thats where that is coming from? You are even simpler than I originally thought.
that by far has to be one of the dumber knocks I ever had the pleasure of reading.
You must be aware that the ps2 is beating every system……..
June 17th, 2009
Ivan isn’t the only idiot here. Right Rimmer? LOL
The PS3 is no fiesta.
June 17th, 2009
So there are architectural aspects of the 360 which are BETTER than the ps4th. How come these are not brought up by numerous sony fan girls who love to point out cell this and blu ray that. And by numerous sony fan girls I mean Ivan. Alone. Nobody else. Just Ivan.
The Formula 1 engine analogy was a good way of putting it. To be honest I can’t tell the difference between any of the 3 console for multi platform games.
Oh and sorry for picking on you Ivan (don’t take it personally coz I think your a star) but if EA knows that they have a global domination device in the cell that is capable of destroying planet 360, why are they putting more and more development resources into Wii game development?
June 17th, 2009
@ Phranctoast. “You must be aware that the ps2 is beating every system……..” – Errr like no, it like isn’t. Check the MONTHLY sales figures. I am not talking about all time sales here. That would be a different story. So with all dur respect, who is the simple one that couldn’t figure that out for them selves.
I know, I know. Apology accepted.
So ps4th it remains.
And ncassisiiisiiisiiisii…e – I hope I am going to be included in your idiot list.
June 17th, 2009
@ Andrew:
“To be honest I can’t tell the difference between any of the 3 console for multi platform games”
Then you need to get your eyes checked.
You probably never played on a 360 or PS3.
Or you have a standard definition TV.
Anyone that has a HD TV would not make that stupid statement.
June 17th, 2009
Shut up. I have so got a HDTV. Its by Tatung and although its only got a green and black mono display I am sure it is true HD. 320x 200i is HD right guys?
June 17th, 2009
Oh dear Mike.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
OK, I’ll play….
1) “The PS3 came out one whole year later.”
That was not a year spent doing additional development.
It was a year spent doing nothing substantive to the (already completed) basic design.
It was actually a year wasted as they waited for the video format, Blu-ray, to be rushed out as fast as they could.
(and even then Blu-ray was unfinished & incomplete…..but they knew that if they didn’t get it out when they did HD DVD was set to clean up)
To think that the PS3 fanboy element love to whine about Xbox 360 being rushed!
2) “The PS3 has a Blu-ray player built-in”
No-one cares (except the PS3 faithful devoted).
It’s only a means to deliver content (and it has its own drawbacks).
So what that it has an expensive video format destined to be a failed niche product (like UMD)?
That’s not ‘a good thing’.
3) “The Cell is supposed to be some super processor”
Yeah, ‘supposed to be’ being the operative words.
It’s so ‘advanced’ that no-one (except IBM use it in some server tech and, most ironically, Toshiba use it to upscale in their latest HD TVs)
It also has odd drawbacks of its own too (in relation to how the cells work with each other).
It’s a great number-cruncher but that doesn’t necessarily make it an optimised gaming system.
S’funny how that all “superiority” never quiter manages to make itself known or seen when compared to the Xbox 360 though, eh?
How many more years have to go by until it can honestly be said to be showing this ‘superiority’?
(cos there’s f*ck all sign of it yet)
June 17th, 2009
I’d just add (for those that don’t know) that Microsoft couldn’t believe their luck with the delays PS3 suffered (as it waited on the continually delayed Blu-ray).
IIRC the story was posted up here a while back but Xbox 360 was designed after a good look at what Sony were doing.
No wonder the 2 systems output an almost identical end product.
June 17th, 2009
Better games + better hardware = WIN!
E74 + RROD + Disc Scratching + expansions masquerading as full games = loose
June 17th, 2009
Christ.
June 17th, 2009
Hay Barnabe :
I know I am hardly one to talk about spelling errors but I feel I must point this out.
“Better games + better hardware = Wii!”
Subtle change I know and most would not have picked up on it, but…
June 17th, 2009
Baranabe Jones
That’s a weird idea of “WIN!” you have there.
Surely, in view of the sales numbers, you meant ‘FAIL!’
June 17th, 2009
I know… I know… I saw it as I hit submit. EDIT button please!
LOSE!
June 17th, 2009
I only care about games… so no. I meant WIN!
June 17th, 2009
Sorry again Barnabe but ‘Wii’…’WII’
June 17th, 2009
“@ Phranctoast. “You must be aware that the ps2 is beating every system……..†– Errr like no, it like isn’t. Check the MONTHLY sales figures. I am not talking about all time sales here. That would be a different story. So with all dur respect, who is the simple one that couldn’t figure that out for them selves.”
Ok Valley girl. I guess the numbers speak for themselves. stupid.
ttp://gamer.blorge.com/2009/06/12/may-npd-hardware-sales-nintendo-ds-and-wii-still-dominating/
I love when Happy goes on a tirade.I especially love it when he rips into blu ray, while at the same time owning a $300 BD player. How many UMD players are there out there Happy? Now tell me how man BD players are out there.
June 17th, 2009
“IIRC the story was posted up here a while back but Xbox 360 was designed after a good look at what Sony were doing.”
Thats also how they get most of their ideas.
Natal was soooooooo original.
June 17th, 2009
Rimmer:
Besides SOCOM and LAIR all Sony exclsuives are perfect a fact.
A Fact Xbot so call gamers can’t dreaming of PS3 games on Xbox 360 keep drooling bitches 24/7/365/6
Happyhockum:
You a true idiot.
ncaissie:
Bye Bye used to be buddy.
Even Mike and Dave know PS3 can destroy any gaming console.
June 17th, 2009
Hey Phranctoast. My bad. The ps2 is lower sales than the ps4th. But its still in 4th due to NDS. I suppose it depend how you look at the figures whether you include hand helds or not. I do as it makes sony look worse still.
So again. ps4th it remains.
June 17th, 2009
Andrew_DS:
The PS2 has sold over 140 million so no mater what is a winner, just like the PSP console is and PS1 was. Soon PS3 and PSP Go would be added to Sony Hall of Fame gaming Æmpire.
June 17th, 2009
By request I’ll do the Wii for Andy…
GameCube + waggle + total focus on casual market + lack of decent games = Wii
June 17th, 2009
Mike how convienient of you to leave out the fact that Criterion said the opposite.
Burnout Paradise developer Criterion reckons that developers who talk about maxing out the potential of a games console are being a bit silly.
“That’s proof that you’re not the best,” technical director Richard Parr told Eurogamer’s Digital Foundry channel. “It means you’re out of ideas.”
“You always find new ways to do things, the constraints lift. Not just with a new console generation but with every game you do,” senior engineer Alex Fry added. “Whether it’s a sequel or whether it’s a new game, you learn to do things differently… better. The constraints go away because you learn. While it’s nice to say you’ve maxed something out, there’s not really any point.”
June 17th, 2009
Fine, lets play Happy…
“1) “The PS3 came out one whole year later.â€
That was not a year spent doing additional development.
It was a year spent doing nothing substantive to the (already completed) basic design.
It was actually a year wasted as they waited for the video format, Blu-ray, to be rushed out as fast as they could.”
Aside from your “anti-sony tone” i agree, not much was added, but then again, why mess with something that is already better than the competitions…
“(and even then Blu-ray was unfinished & incomplete…..but they knew that if they didn’t get it out when they did HD DVD was set to clean up)” lol, look how that turned out
“2) “The PS3 has a Blu-ray player built-inâ€
No-one cares (except the PS3 faithful devoted).
It’s only a means to deliver content (and it has its own drawbacks).”
Or the people that helped win, oh you know, the damn format war…yeah “no one cares”..lol
“So what that it has an expensive video format destined to be a failed niche product (like UMD)?
That’s not ‘a good thing’.”
Here is where you are both an idiot and hypocrit. You say BR is destined to fail…yet you yourself have invested in a “superior” BR player…Happy, just stop it already.
“3) “The Cell is supposed to be some super processorâ€
Yeah, ’supposed to be’ being the operative words.
It’s so ‘advanced’ that no-one (except IBM use it in some server tech and, most ironically, Toshiba use it to upscale in their latest HD TVs)
It also has odd drawbacks of its own too (in relation to how the cells work with each other).
It’s a great number-cruncher but that doesn’t necessarily make it an optimised gaming system.”
Well, it seems to be working for them..
“S’funny how that all “superiority†never quiter manages to make itself known or seen when compared to the Xbox 360 though, eh?”
Well, most of the Sony exclusives look LEAPS and BOUNDS better than the 360 exclusives out there:
The original Uncharted still looks better than Gears…that is just one comparison
“How many more years have to go by until it can honestly be said to be showing this ’superiority’?
(cos there’s f*ck all sign of it yet)”
Well, for me i’ve been enjoying superiority for quite some time…not sure why you are having problems enjoying your system..did it RROD on you? Or how about e74? Oh wait, has it been the lack of 1st party, exclusive titles this year?
Don’t answer Happy, it will only make your head hurt
June 17th, 2009
And EA owns Criterion, How odd is that.
June 17th, 2009
Isn’t the 360 the easiest console to dev for?
That’s what we keep getting rammed down our throats, so it’s no surprise to see it’s been maxed out early.
June 17th, 2009
@Happy “So what that it has an expensive video format destined to be a failed niche product (like UMD)?”
BR has not failed. I love how you people are in denial.
It’s pathetic really.
June 17th, 2009
“Shut up. I have so got a HDTV. Its by Tatung and although its only got a green and black mono display I am sure it is true HD. 320x 200i is HD right guys?”
Ok that made me crack up, big time! Your best post so far! You are taking a giant piss with everything! Don’t know when to take you seriously! How some people don’t pick up on that is funny.
June 17th, 2009
Sorry Ivan. I should have said Ivan is not the idiot here, right Rimmer?
Better?
June 17th, 2009
“Soon PS3 and PSP Go would be added to Sony Hall of Fame gaming Æmpire.”
LMFAO! I’m busting a gut here! You should be in PR and advertising for Sony Ivan!
June 17th, 2009
Epic was already quoted as saying Gears 2 maxed out the 360.
We’ll see the 720 come next E3. Hopefully they don’t rush the 720 at the expense of hardware failure again.
June 17th, 2009
I wonder how many of you purchased an HD DVD player at $200+ for your Xboxes?
I know you won’t admit to it because you’re embarrassed. I would be if I did.
Talk about failed tech.
June 17th, 2009
Console Wars
Episode V
Return of the Ninty
A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, the evil sony empire stood on the brink of total galactic domination.
Building an army 100 million + strong of their dreaded ps2 weapon, the evil emperor Kutaragi sent forth his loyal minion Darth Harrison to cleanse the galaxy of the remainder of the Nintendo rebels. Victory was but a battle away.
But the sony empire underestimated the power of the force with the rebels, who had a new ally in the form of the neutral Microsoft freedom fighters. The Microsoft freedom fighters built a weapon in their hidden base across the far side of the galaxy to take on the empire. Kutaragi and Darth Harrison were defated but the sony empire was not gone.
A new order emerged in the form of emperor Harai and Darth Tretton who had anticipated the Microsoft attack and quickly put in place plans for revenge. They started work on a weapon capable of destroying any gaming console in the galaxy. ‘The ultimate weapon’. The ps4th.
The Nintendo rebels and the Microsoft freedom fighters prepared for battle with there own new weapons, the Wii and the 360. It was a slim hope of victory but the brute head on force of the Microsoft freedom fighters distracted the sony empire while the small band of Nintendo rebels snuck past the empire force fields and took control of the gaming galaxy.
The battle rages on…
June 17th, 2009
The sony hell of (in) fame (ous) :
- Betamax
- UMD
- Minidisc
Need I go on? Well I can’t actually, I can’t think of anything else.
June 17th, 2009
sure go on andrew.
June 17th, 2009
Tell me how UMD is a failure? By your logic then every Nintendo cartridge they use on their consoles and handhelds are failed media?
Get a life dude. The UMD was designed for the PSP the same way Nintendo makes cartridges.
June 17th, 2009
No. I wont, I wont, I wont, I wont. Not unless you tickle me so hard I am nearly sick.
June 17th, 2009
With every new technology there are other technologies that are trail and error in order to get a better product. Atarii had the odyessy2 by magnavox to compete with. The odyessy2 was a better machine but didn’t have the games to back it up and went away. If you look at the stats of the 360 vs ps3 since the console was released the ps3 has surpassed the 360 so far if you do a comparison that way. The sony is gaining ground with more games coming every year. I am betting when they phase out the ps2 that is when you see the ps3 really jump ahead. 360 has the edge on games for the time being that is why I own both but I use my ps3 as a more mulitmedia unit for watching movies and hulu on the big screen as well as playing some cool games. As far as 360 sales I wonder how many of those are due to people having to replace their 360 because they have to much invested in there games. I don’t hate either system they both have plus and minus but I do see the ps3 having more potential growth espically when the ps2 gets phased out. But when my friends come over we pop out the n64 and play perfect dark, neither system offers a lot of fps shooters with bots and 4 person split screen.
June 17th, 2009
But ncssissisiisiis…e. Nintendo didn’t drop the consoles media half way through its life cycle.
What sony have done by bringing out the psp go WITHOUT a UMD drive built in, is as good as admitting it was a failure.
June 17th, 2009
jojo29
No, you are in fact the one blinded by your fanboy stupidity.
I bought into Blu-ray because it suits my a/v set-up, and is now the only means to get certain titles at a particular quality, but only for now.
Of course you just can’t get your head around why I would do that knowing it is a short-term format.
Your problem. Your fanboy blinkers.
Just as some of us knowingly buy into umteen formats for the quality so too with Blu-ray.
The actual hypocrites here are the PS3/Blu-ray fanclub who have spent the last 3yrs lying to themselves that Blu was about to become the next DVD.
That’s your lot from btw.
You are incapable of engaging in debate without name-calling so you can go & f*ck off.
ncaissie
Blu-ray has failed already.
The whole point of Blu-ray was to establish a format (which Sony had the largest single holding of) so as to generate the sort of enormous royalties they missed out on with DVD.
Blu-ray is not going to be as big as DVD.
Even Samsung publicly reckon it has less than 5yrs to go now.
BTW HD DVD add-on?
I bought one at launch to use as a PC ROM.
It was brilliant at it too.
Then I sold it when I bought my standalone HD DVD player (and got almost all my money back selling it on eBay).
Then I sold my stand-alone (and got about 75% of my money back on that on eBay).
Then I bought another Xbox add-on, new, for £20 ($32 US/$41 AUS) to tuck away in case my dual format player suffered an accident or breakdown.
Having an HD DVD player meant I was able to buy 150+ high def movies for an average price of about £8 ($13 US/$16.50 AUS).
Yeah only in your world was that really foolish.
I’m a film fan, not a format fan.
Wake up.
LMAO
UMD?
So much of a failure it’s being dumped by the new PSP (while they charge similar money for a less capable unit), right?
Did you hear about the Sony guy saying PS3 may drop Blu-ray?
h**p://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3152746
June 17th, 2009
Andrew:
a format becomes a failure when it stop getting support. UMD is still being supported by many big companies.
Happy your patetic. keep dreaming about ps3 droping the bluray. what an idiot.
Andrew DS = Andrew Dikc Sucker
you guys dont stop. if you want to get attention go somewhere else. go to a kids or a girl forum because you and ur made up comments dont belong here.
June 17th, 2009
But ncssissisiisiis…e. Nintendo didn’t drop the consoles media half way through its life cycle.
What sony have done by bringing out the psp go WITHOUT a UMD drive built in, is as good as admitting it was a failure.
omg shut up. ur an ignorant all upcoming psp game are coming on UMD dics as well if u didnt know. PSP-3000 and PSP GO are to Different.
at least the PSP is still more powerfull than the 360 with blutooth and wi-fi capabitilies and backwards compatible and free online gaming with web broswer and radio signal.
im not sure about this yet but i havent seen CAD in a while so i guess he got banned. so u might be on ur way out for just coming to this website to talk Sh!t and for trying to argue everything with ur own stupid opinion
June 17th, 2009
ROCA, Roca, roca….shhhhhhhh….shhhhhh… there, there now. Shhhhhhh. Thats it. Shhhhhhh. Good boy. Thats it. Shhhhh…
Oh and FYI. One big company that isn’t supporting it… sony!
“Andrew DS = Andrew Dikc Sucker”. I like it. Was trying to think of something the DS could stand for. Any better suggestions anyone?
June 17th, 2009
Best. News. Post. Ever.
June 17th, 2009
OK Roca. You win. I will keep my ‘own stupid opinion’ to myself. I don’t want to get banned so I will tow the ps4th fanboy line. I mean god forbid that a forum is ever used for voicing opinions.
I am going to stick to post topic and nod in agreement if its for ps4th and shake is dis approval if its pro MS and Ninty.
June 17th, 2009
“Blu-ray is not going to be as big as DVD”
Who says? You? LOL We have to wait and see.
Last I heard Blu-Ray is doing better then DVD at this point in its life cycle.
Sony is making a mistake with the Go. They should have made a PSP2. Nintendo is doing the same thing with the DSI as Sony is with the GO. You can download games to the DSI onto memory cards.
150 movies? LOL what a joke. Not worth the trouble. But to each his own I guess.
You need to stop believing everything you read online.
June 17th, 2009
Grow up kid.
ur just a tipical xbox fanboy. oh BTW hows the business of sucking D!ck doing? since you got a big moouth i would say ur doing pretty good. maybe u can make a video game out of it. since you like “wii’s” right?
anyways talk to me when ur in high school
June 17th, 2009
DS= Dumb S#!t
June 17th, 2009
ncaissie:
“Who says? You? LOL We have to wait and see.”
Actually no, the people who said so….. are those like you.
The sort of PS3/Blu-ray fanboy hypocrites who spammed every board going announcing how amazing Blu-ray was over HD DVD (it wasn’t) and how it was to lot in as the next DVD……and then went back to buying DVDs to watch upscaled on their PS3s.
(the rare & obvious exceptions being the Batman TDK movie and Iron Man)
We can already see from the Blu-ray growth rate (along with things like the HD TV penetration rate) that Blu-ray just can’t grow fast enough.
Throw in stuff like HD VOD from your TV supplier & the streaming services (the real winners this time around) and it’s obvious.
Even Sony launched 2 on-line video services, 1 for Bravia owners and one for PS3 owners.
You have to be pretty blind to think Blu-ray is ever going to be much more than a high-margin niche……and they aren’t even getting the margins, the last couple of Blu-rays I bought were £12 ($19.50 US & $ 24.75 AUS).
Roca, ncassie & jojo29.
Reduced to drary rounds of name calling.
Way to suppport the site.
Wake up & grow up kiddies.
June 17th, 2009
“how it was to lot in as the next DVD……and then went back to buying DVDs to watch upscaled on their PS3s”
you might be the only one who does that. in FACT bluray is outselling DVD for the same timeperiod since being realesed. and i have never bought a DVD every since bluray came out.
and Andrew started the name calling (Andrew: “ncssissisiisiis…e.”)
June 17th, 2009
No Roca, everyone I know with a PS3 talks about being very selective about which movies they will bother with in high def.
Your own little personal crusade to lift sales numbers is obviously not enough.
You don’t need to pretend otherwise – or even take my word for it.
An average sales month for Blu-ray movies in the US this year (as the nielson numbers show) is just $12 a week.
…..and your claims that Blu-ray has a better track record compared to DVD is b*llocks.
Typical Blu-ray propaganda lies
(which they have been noted for since this first started).
Here are the facts if you care to see them –
Note that the cash amounts given in the DVD Entertainment tables are not adjusted for inflation)
h**p://www.dvdinformation.com/News/press/CES2009yearEnd.htm
June 17th, 2009
LMAO
Obviously that
“An average sales month for Blu-ray movies in the US this year (as the nielson numbers show) is just $12 a week.”
should read
“An average sales month for Blu-ray movies in the US this year (as the nielson numbers show) is just $12million a week.”
(was funnier the 1st way around tho)
June 17th, 2009
To Roca & ncaissie.
I apologize for the name calling. Its not big and not clever. I don’t mind name calling for me though. Its quite funny.
Blu ray is dead format walking. Lets be honest here. All of us. You cant stop the future. People probably thought CD would never take off and still loved vinyl. But look what happened.
Blu ray will go the same way. Download and streaming is the future. I am not happy as I prefer to have something which I can pick up of a shelf, purchase and I know it is mine.
Blu ray will be niche in the next 10 years. But there will always be people that want physical media.
June 17th, 2009
DS = Dark Side. Buy a PS3 and come join the Jedi Andy.
June 17th, 2009
Do you still own a VHS player? Or do you have an 8 track in your car by chance?
Will the 720 still have DVD?
June 17th, 2009
Ncaissie – the Canadian BestBuy has Infamous for only $30. That’s an awesome deal. Also some great PSP deals as well.
playstation.joystiq.com/2009/06/17/canadian-best-buy-offers-30-infamous-10-patapon-2/
June 17th, 2009
Actually the last weeks numbers were eve nworse than I thought.
Nielson had showed less than $8 million in Blu-ray sales
(note where it show this week at $16 mil as a 107% increase on last week).
h**p://www.homemediamagazine.com/
Barnabe Jones
Actually I do.
Know why?
Because not everything I have on VHS came out on DVD.
You can try and play the luddite nonsense if you like but I suspect I have more video formats in my home than you do in yours.
Know why?
Because when it all comes down to it I love the content, the movies, and I’m far less concerned about the media it comes on.
Besides as Nielson shows, what I said about Blu-ray failing to take off (despite the boost including it in, what, 20 or so million PS3s by now?) is true.
June 17th, 2009
No Barnabe. Don’t resist the power of the Dark Side. Come, stand by my side the and circle will be complete.
And yes I do still have a VHS. Ha ha. How embarrassing. It doesn’t have a plug though. I dont have an 8 track in my, what did you call it? A car. But I do have a superb gramophone on my carriage.
The Xbox 720 will use punch cards, and the ps4th (?, I am going to confuse myself here) will use halogen crystals that need the smallest laser known to man to be read but can store 4m terra bytes
June 17th, 2009
Andrew, surely you mean the PS4 will run on dilithium crystals?
Don’t you just love it when a set of respected industry numbers (like the NPD ones) come out and time after time puncture the fanboy’s delusions?
Shame you missed all that side of it in your opening article Mike, it might have given you a little more balanced view of what’s really going on.
June 17th, 2009
Mines the console with real valves, and de-debugging means you need a can of raid.
June 17th, 2009
Happy, im glad i affected your mood
Also, how stupid are you to admit that not only you bought a BR player, but according to yourself, were dumb enough to “buy into a failing” format….nice job Happy, film fan or not, that is just hypocrisy and stupidity at its best…made perfect example of by Happy himself
Thanks Happy!
June 17th, 2009
since the ps3′s launch, it was been reported it has more power by the ignorant fanboy masses. however, 3 years into this gen and no proof exists to this supposed “power”. MGS4 was supposed to be so advanced, the fanboys claimed, that it could only be done on the ps3…..then hideo announced a metal gear game for the 360 based on the same engine used in the ps3′s version.
bluray reader is exactly that….a READER and does not “power” anything.
the cells reported claims of a teraflops is using theoretical maxims that have not been proven to exist as the ps3 runs so inefficiently those numbers will never be achieved in realworld scenarios. it may exist on paper, but that’s about it.
so according to the ps3 fanboys:
1. the ps3 has the most power…with no proof in any game showing thus far.
2. the ps3 has the best games…. with the lowest tie in ratio of all three consoles, meaning the games aren’t that great otherwise people would be buying them.
3. PSN is “better” because it’s free…yet more people choose to pay for xbox live than use PSN for “free”….
4. the ps3 has more room to grow altho there is very little discernable difference between what sony showed at launch to what’s available now, while the 360′s franchises continue to grow in graphics and features on a consistent basis…*nod to Forza 3*
5. the ps3 has uberpower that harnesses the secrets of the universe….yet has many developers dropping projects on the ps3 due to the very unfriendly architecture. what good is power if noone can access it? hint: zero….except for mindless bragging rights.
face it; if the ps3 was half as good as the fanboys claim, it wouldn’t be falling farther into last place on a customerbase built on 150 million of the ps2…..
congrats on the “power”, Mike…too bad it doesn’t mean better gaming….. as sony bleeds money from the ps3, i’m certain they’d agree….
June 17th, 2009
Happy you can’t compare BR to DVDs current sales. That just shows how little you know about business. That’s the same as comparing total 360 sales to total PS3 sales. the 360 has a head start as does the DVD. Think before you speak please. BR is still a new Tech. Also up-scaling sucks.
$30 is a good price. I wouldn’t pay any more then that for a game.
June 17th, 2009
ncaissie – 3 years in existence is not “new tech”…. stop the excuses….
June 17th, 2009
Kev – MGS Rising is being built on a different engine, due to the fact the 360′s would explode in to flames if they tried to run the MGS 4 engine.
Again, MGS 4 (like Incharted, MAG, KZ2, Infamous, GT 5, etc, etc) are only possible on the PS3.
That pretty much debunks the rest of your ramblings.
June 17th, 2009
keep dreaming guys/gals.
June 17th, 2009
LOL yes it is!
June 17th, 2009
The PS4 will utilize the flux capacitor as a processor. The system will be out putting 1.21 jigawatts of raw power. The console will be capable of displaying 5 gazillion parsecs per square nanosecond.
June 17th, 2009
The DVD has been around 14 years. So compared to DVD it is new Tech.
June 17th, 2009
ncaissie
Actually it was Roca that brought that up not me.
You’ll also find, if you look at the data, that DVD movie disc sales grew faster than Blu-ray movie disc sales have done
(even with Blu-ray getting a leg-up by being included in the PS3).
All this heat and noise and over what?
Besides an occasional opinion the truth is that both 360 & PS3 are in gaming terms just about as similar as possible.
In video terms PS3 ploughs a rather lonely furrow, doomed to be spurned by those who own the most of them (PS3 owners) as Blu-ray movie disc sales prove.
June 17th, 2009
ncaissie, you might want to re-read your own post, as you just managed to contradict your own argument. Happy was comparing CURRENT weekly sales of each format, not lifetime total, so that is hardly the same as comparing total sales of consoles. You will want to compare that with CURRENT weekly sales of of the consoles. (Where the 360 is dominating the PS3, but better not mention that or Ivan & co will get all hot and bothered again)
June 17th, 2009
kev.
1. Hmm kilzone 2 looks better than anything on the 360.
2. If great games are determined by sales, wiifit must be a masterpiece. Do you own that, since you proved that you buy things based on others opinions?
3. more people still have the 360 than the ps3, hence more accounts. How many are silver kev?
4. If you beilieve the ps3 games haven’t been looking better, you’re on crack. This one point is where you are at the most incorrect, and the graphical jumps have clearly been looking better on the ps3 than the 360. see exclusives for proof.
5. what developers are dropping it? When are you guys getting another Tecmo game?
Its a sad day when you are bragging about selling a measly 40k more in NA with a system that is $200 less than the competition.
June 17th, 2009
/o\
Give it a rest all of you, for fucks sake.
June 17th, 2009
That was my point. you can’t compare this weeks DVD sales to this weeks BR sales because the DVD has been around for 14 years and there are a lot more DVD players in the world.
June 17th, 2009
LOL I agree lock_down
June 17th, 2009
Current Blu-ray sales v DVD?!
Are you sure you really want to know the facts?
The latest is that the trade doesn’t even expect Blu-ray to take 7% of sales this year (which would be up from 4.45% last year).
Even their optimistic stuff about 2010 is just flannel for those who dream of better times (their projections are continually proving to be well out).
It’s growth Jim but not as we expected it.
“Global revenues from standard DVD and Blu-ray rentals and sales were $26.4bn in 2008, with two-thirds of that figure coming from DVD sales, which fell almost 5 per cent. Although Blu-ray sales were up, Screen Digest said the format “barely made a dent in the missing revenueâ€.
“We expect Blu-ray to account for 6.9 per cent of international video spending this year – assuming there is strong promotional activity [by the studios],†said Helen Davis Jayalath, senior analyst at Screen Digest.
“However, despite consumers’ interest in the high-definition format and demand for packaged media, the current challenging economic climate means that we don’t expect Blu-ray to be driving even minimal sector growth until 2010.â€
h**p://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8768baf0-59d5-11de-b687-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1
Last years numbers showing Blu-ray’s share of total sales @ 4.45% -
h**p://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6627437.html?nid=3511
Just for fun here’s the blow-hard Sony BS –
“Sony expects Blu-ray to hold 50% market share in 2008″
h**p://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/200815/663/Sony-expects-Blu-ray-to-hold-50-market-share-in-2008
LMAO
June 17th, 2009
Current weekly sales numbers are handy for showing how poor and small Blu-ray’s share of the market is.
That’s all
(and boy are they unimpressive numbers).
June 17th, 2009
This is probably THE funniest comments section on this site, since the infamous “XBL is full of lagers” discussion some months ago.
So far, Andrew has been in rare form, but I give Funniest Post Award to Rimmer for this gem: “I wouldn’t call Ivan an idiot per-se, he is just “specialâ€. He does add to the humour factor in these debates though. His posts are straight from the “Politburo Way of Arguing†handbook in their unwavering support for Sonys gaming empire.”
Politburo Way of Arguing… CLASSIC!
Also, Andrew gets runner-up for: “I dont have an 8 track in my, what did you call it? A car. But I do have a superb gramophone on my carriage.” Mad points for being the FIRST Blorge poster to EVER use the word “gramophone” in a post.
-Arvis
June 17th, 2009
@Lock down.
whats the point of this site if not to argue with each other.
June 17th, 2009
I like how Happy brought up VOD hurting blu ray. Did VOD hurt dvd? It’s not new tech….lol.
sometimed people just want to own their movies.
Hell…I still buy cd’s. I rip them, but I still rather have the disc as well.
June 17th, 2009
“Epic was already quoted as saying Gears 2 maxed out the 360.”
Oh Barnabee where do you get this made up Garbage all the time.
After Gears 2 Epic said they plan on pushing the pushing the 360 further. Your reference to Epic saying Gears has maxed out the system is related to Gears 1 but it is obvious that it pushed it ever further with the release of Gears 2.
June 17th, 2009
“I wonder how many of you purchased an HD DVD player at $200+ for your Xboxes?
I know you won’t admit to it because you’re embarrassed. I would be if I did.
Talk about failed tech.”
I did and I bought it after the war for $150 + 7 Movies included. It is a Toshiba stand alone player and not the add-on. I was looking for a Upconverting DVD Player and the dude told me to get the HD DVD Player because it does a great job and yes it does. I’ve added to that collection and I now probably have over 20 + HD DVD’s. In fact it was the whole war and seeing how sony treated you guys and seeing their lies in action that lead me to hate sony and their arrogant business practices. Yet you guys will suck sony’s dick and swallow. how sad that you guys are the whores of the gaming community and sony is your pimp. At least they showed you guys a little love in 2009. It makes me so happy to see Microsoft stick a fork in Sony because they are done.
June 17th, 2009
Tell me how UMD is a failure?
Because it was never used for anything else then a format for the PSP. Now look Sony ditched it completly in the new PSP GO
June 17th, 2009
“No Roca, everyone I know with a PS3 talks about being very selective about which movies they will bother with in high def.”
Happy, that is an intresting statement because it is so true. When I went to buy a Bluray for a friend of mine who has a stand alone Bluray player, I found that most of the Movies were not worth paying the price of Bluray. I really only want a visually stunning movie with action on bluray. At least HD DVD did not do it the way Sony is doing it. They were selective about which title went to HD DVD. Most movies released were definately worth the Hi-Def Effort because drama, comedys and movies that just don’t visually stun is just a waste of time. DVD is fine in my Book and my hate for Sony will never make me buy one, Maybe. But if I do, I can guarantee it won’t be a Sony player. Besides I was happy to get Batman special edition for $30 instead of the Bluray for $70. I could not imagine buying Batman for that price.
June 17th, 2009
“Because it was never used for anything else then a format for the PSP. Now look Sony ditched it completly in the new PSP GO”
why would it be?
memory got a lot cheaper.
“At least HD DVD did not do it the way Sony is doing it. They were selective about which title went to HD DVD”
Thats probably because there was only two major studios making movies for it.
June 17th, 2009
“Yet you guys will suck sony’s dick and swallow”
says the guy who gives MS a free pass for releasing the worst peice of hardware ever. (try to argue that it isn’t)
please tell me what other tech device has a failure rate close.
June 17th, 2009
phranctoast:
“I like how Happy brought up VOD hurting blu ray. Did VOD hurt dvd?”
I think you’ll find that VOD in the manner you’re suggesting is also fairly recent.
Sky’s Sky plus service here (with saving to a HDD), for instance, only gained widespread use in the UK the last 2yrs (it launched in 2005).
Ditto similar stuff in Europe.
Funnily enough DVDs slow decline dates back to around then.
June 17th, 2009
I’ve had pay per view in one form or another before the existence of DVD.
I really believe we’re talking about apples and oranges though, as all things mentioned are a form of rental and not purchase.
Will it make people purchase less…probably, but we’re talking about a different crowd. Some people never buy and only rent.
With the increase in HDTV’s sold you’ll see the increase of BD’s sold.
June 17th, 2009
Thanks Arvis. I aim to (dis) please! Mind it shows the standard of the scathing comments on this site is very very high when popping in the word ‘gramophone’ doesn’t even win you comment of the blog!
And also thanks to phranctoast for acknowledging that this site is prime for arguing.
And CAD. “Stick a fork in sony coz they are done! Love it.
June 17th, 2009
phranctoast:
“I really believe we’re talking about apples and oranges though, as all things mentioned are a form of rental and not purchase.”
I agree, but, the thing is for a lot of people owning a movie you may never watch again (or at best watch maybe a couple of times) is just not such a big deal.
DVD got a huge boost in recent years from dirt cheap releases, it was a case of rather than rent why not buy for very similar outlay?
That doesn’t really apply with Blu-ray, of course you can mail-oprder for a lot less but in B&M stores it does still sell for a premium over DVD.
The truth remains, Nielson is showing that in the USA (which with the exception of Japan is the most advanced of us with HD use) Blu-ray movie sales are tiny and remain tiny.
Less than $8 million worth of them sold in a week is a dire result.
Like I said, there is no reason to assume (on present growth rates) that Blu-ray could even grow fast enough to matter now.
Last year it took 4.45% of all disc sales, this year as the trade link I put up shows they are saying 6.**%.
It’s just not enough and Blu-ray is guaranteed to be over-taken by other means & events
(don’t discount us all suffering a ‘double-dip recession’).
Everyone but everyone knows digital distribution is the coming thing.
Blu-ray is a stop-gap.
Nothing more.
Great if you can accept that, tough t*tty if you are ‘investing’ in it to last like DVD has done (and will continue to do)……
…..and even worse if you are conning other people of that nonsense.
June 17th, 2009
I’ve never understood why the blu ray argument is still ongoing.
The ps3 has it, you think it sucks and is going to flop or stay niche, he thinks it will accomplish more/not suck.
Heck, I don’t play blu ray movies in my ps3 at all, its only ever seen DVD’s, but who cares? Who cares that the 360 had a HD-DVD drive, who gives a fooking hoot? The crap is still going to be around until the end of the PS3′s lifetime anyways.
June 17th, 2009
SW, you say this argument will rage on until the end of the ps4ths life cycle. Oh my god. Come on guys. Stop arguing about blu ray. We will be at this till the end of November!
June 17th, 2009
Xbox 360 nerds why do you people Xbot talking about PSP, PS2, PS3, Sony & our games and always claiming our exclsuives is going to your shibox? If you think HOME fail which is not even close to doing that well only for you since you people can’t have it you try to downplay it pathetic stop being such whining piece shit because you can’t afford it. You bought a Xbox 360 because the price so now face the consequences and stop crying already or sell it and buy a true gaming system PS3.
June 17th, 2009
SW
That’s great and all but the thing is this, when the PS3 fanboys get confronted with the cold solid facts (things like the sales numbers and market share I posted) it pisses all over their chips.
It’s pretty hard to do the
‘OMG Blu is so amazing and going to dominate all human life from here on in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BS when
(contrary to what the Blu-ray fanzine sites would have you believe)
the PS3 fanboy’s beloved video format took less than 4.5% of the total market last year and is set to miss 7% this.
The PS3 fanboys can make whatever tall-tale claims they like but every year has failed to get even close to what they said would happen.
It’s kind of nice pointing that out.
June 17th, 2009
“that lead me to hate sony and their arrogant business practices”
This is coming from someone who loves microsoft’s balls in the back of their throat so much, they can’t see past them to realize the irony of their comment:
Your talking about arrogant business practices…R O F L…
Let’s see what the EU thinks about Microsoft…oh right, they are too busy pinning MS down for THEIR shady and monopolistic business practices….pot calling the kettle black much? lol
June 17th, 2009
you can’t compare dvd and blue ray discs, I remember when dvd came out and those discs were just as expensive. before that vhs tapes were 20 bucks or more now you get them for a buck in yard sales. everything is more expensive in the start up. once more players are in homes you will see prices drop. I still have a laser disc player with about 30 movies and that looks better than a dvd but nothing compared to a blue ray.
June 17th, 2009
HH – Yeah, I know.
But I figured I’d try to start the sanity somewhere
June 17th, 2009
“says the guy who gives MS a free pass for releasing the worst peice of hardware ever. (try to argue that it isn’t)
please tell me what other tech device has a failure rate close.”
And you absolutely right!! The 360 is the worst console for failure rate. But I have never RROD or E74ed and Microsoft backed it up with a 3 year warrenty (can’t say the same for the PS2). But I’m not talking about hardware reliabilty. I’m talking about attitude and the way you treat your customers. Every action behind Microsoft and the 360 is game related first. It’s the reason we went from our PS2′s or Xboxes or Gamecubes to the next generation is because of our love for Games. Like I’ve said in the past the PS3 was a Trojan Horse for Bluray and at least my 360 came packaged with games and not Spiderman 3 the Movie on Bluray. Even Nintendo packaged a game. And lets not forget about the YLOD (Yellow Light of Death) on early PS3′s. No warrenty there.
June 17th, 2009
wow xbox has the worst customer service I had several issues that never got resolved. They kept saying the would escalate the problem to the next level and then they never called back or responed just kept getting the run around. I had a issue once on the ps3 I called and they had it taken care of in an hour. MS is full of bugs, vista is evidence of that thats why I run a mac
June 17th, 2009
CAD:
I have 6 fat PS2 since SOCOM II came out and i have never had a problem with them. Sony didnt need any new warranty. The only problem with early PS2 was sometime they stop reading Blu Disc latter fix free. That 3 year warranty for the inFAMOUS epic failure aka Xbox 360 is doesn’t last long enough…
Red Light of Death
E74
Hard Disk Drive Crashing
Disc Scraching
The Yellow Light of Death is less then 1 percent why covered that.
All those game package are pure garbage. I sold my Xbox Arcade crappy disc and the Kunfu Panda i trash that gay game.
I love Blu-ray Disc The Day After Tomorrow looks amazing on HD. I have Blu-ray on my Sony VAIO and my Alienware beast. I wish Apple made a Blu-ray Disc MackBook too. “Who Am I? I’m Spider-Man” Spider-Man rulez best comic book hero.
June 17th, 2009
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh my god Ivan. That post was one of your usual great scripting. But the last sentance about Spider man. Oh god I nearly p*ssed myself. Damn your so funny. I have so much to learn yet master.
But personally I think “Who are you?” “I’m BATMAN” is way better. Keaton and more so Bale.
OH and the ps4th has one massive failing. It actually switches on. Damn!
June 17th, 2009
Ah, you know you’re the only sane person here SW.
Maybe that’s why harry doesn’t know what list to put you in
June 17th, 2009
I’d say Arvis really is the only sane one here
Harry doesn’t want to piss me off because of what I do for him on the weekends. What do you think SW stands for? Ill give you a hint, sounds like ducks tang.
June 17th, 2009
OH and the ps4th has one massive failing. It actually switches on. Damn!
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Oh my God where did this guy come from and where werer you before. LOL
June 17th, 2009
The sony hell of (in) fame (ous) :
- Betamax
- UMD
- Minidisc
Need I go on? Well I can’t actually, I can’t think of anything else.
Ya you forgot ATRAC’s. Even though this was not a disk format but it was a failed attempt at trying to be MP3, WMA, DIVX or whatever. And if you have a PSP and want to fit more Music/Movies on it then ATRAC is in your favour and I would seek out Sony’s SonicStage Player.
June 17th, 2009
“face it; if the ps3 was half as good as the fanboys claim, it wouldn’t be falling farther into last place on a customerbase built on 150 million of the ps2….. ”
Kev Amen to that.
June 17th, 2009
CAD:
You want Microsoft epic fail OK.
-Windows 2000
-Windows Vista
-Zune
-Xbox
-Internet Explorer
-MSN
Microsoft sucks at everything and Blu-ray is the new standard for all things Movies and Games.
Xbox 360 is a disaster…
June 17th, 2009
Ivan you might want to look up what “disaster” actually means.
Your (laughable) list there just has some Microsoft products that were very profitable & sold loads just perhaps not quite the vast numbers of another of their very successful & highly profitable products.
If you’re going to persist with this BS then you really should treat us all to your ideas and explaination as to how come Microsoft are (and have been for several years now) one of the most profitable and successful companies on the planet.
I can’t wait.
(& please be try to be more funny than usual with it too)
June 17th, 2009
Yeah right just shut up xbot fanboy idiot go fuck blill gate
June 17th, 2009
You know what Ivan is right. Microsoft do suck. Thats why Billy G is a billionaire and I am not.
Well starting tomorrow I am going to change my fortune around and make loads of money sucking.
June 17th, 2009
Andrew_DS:
In 2008 Bill Gates lost 18 billion dollars he had 58 billion not just 40 billion.
June 17th, 2009
did ivan make another acc again and thats who Andrew_DS is?… like… trying to catch up here guys!!!
andrew… your going to suck to get money? the hooker down the street only geta about $30 a blow… so good luck with that money for sucking
June 17th, 2009
@andrew_ds
have fun sucking bill gates dick you both enjoy that
June 17th, 2009
Naa, not funny Ivan. Must try harder.
I see the PS3′s immense superiority was on view again with the new Ghostbusters game.
Ghostbusters: PS3 is 960 x 540,
Xbox 360 is true 720p
June 17th, 2009
For those no in the know that means that the PS3 res is about 75% of what the Xbox is doing.
“the PS3 version of Ghostbusters is natively rendered at 960 by 540 pixels. The Xbox 360 version is actually rendered at 720p (1280 by 720 pixels)”.
h**p://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/ghostbusters-ps3-960-by-540-xbox-360-720p-$1304198.htm
June 17th, 2009
‘Blu-ray is the new standard for all things Movies and Games.’
Soon be able to rent a movie AND get first class takeaway at the same time with edible blu rays!… Coming 2011…
June 17th, 2009
Ill play complete the sentance!!
“the PS3 version of Ghostbusters is natively rendered at 960 by 540 pixels. The Xbox 360 version is actually rendered at 720p (1280 by 720 pixels) – its just a shame both versions are crap.”
There you go
June 17th, 2009
OK a few things about GhostBusers….
Another hoax comparison video. How many times have we seen this before… Xbots have been trying to do this since the PS3 was released. We already know the PS3 is more powerful. The fact that xbots resort to trying to fool people on the internet.. and that idiots believe it is simply pathetic. BO YAY!
.n4g.com/ps3/News-347268.aspx
June 17th, 2009
Are there people still arguing about this?
Who cares if the PS3 is technically superior? I think people need to get past this point and focus on the games. Technically superior does not translate into better games.
This reminds me of the arguments over whether Xbox was superior to the PS2. I said it back then to much flaming, the original Xbox was technically superior to the PS2 – Fact! end of story.
PS3 technically superior to Xbox 360 – Fact! end of story.
Get over it people accept it and stop nitpicking, don’t let the manufacturers rule your lives.
June 17th, 2009
Happyhockum:
With Xbox 360 no one has to try. That’s how bad it has always been.
Xbox 360 is full piracy like PSP so we don’t care about it as much. Soon developers will star realizing all the million they losing by supporting the lower quality console Xbox 360.
http://www.edepot.com/playstation3.html
June 17th, 2009
More power means better games a fact. Xbox is pure trash a fact.
June 17th, 2009
“Are there people still arguing about this?”
Yeah, funnily enough Mike, there are.
Who’d a thunk it?
June 17th, 2009
I’m still ready to argue…
No not really, I’m reading a walk through at the moment. Then I’m off to Bone Village!
June 17th, 2009
@ roca,
“and Andrew started the name calling (Andrew: “ncssissisiisiis…e.â€)” –> Yeah that would have cut him to the bone being called that. That was way below the belt, Andrew_DS. You should be ashamed for calling ncassie “ncssissisiisiis…e.”. Tsk Tsk
@ Mike, you expected anything less after posting that blog?
June 17th, 2009
@ Baranabe Jones,
HAHAHA hoax? Please!!!!
June 17th, 2009
Yeah Mike, and I bet you typed that with a straight face too.
Not.
June 17th, 2009
Theoretically PS3 has more potential but the fact is that it remains a theoretical point only.
There’s a world of difference between the theory and the final practical application.
We keep hearing a lot about that theory and yet we see f*ck all of the final tangible product.
June 17th, 2009
here is a list of good exclusives for each good console.
PS3:
Ratchet & Clank
infamous
Killzone 2
Uncharted
little big plant
metal gear solid 4
Resistance 1 & 2
Xbox 360:
Halo 3
Gears of war 1 & 2
Mass Effect
Fable 2
notice how I said good games this should clear up things
June 17th, 2009
Actually that should have been ‘slightly more potential’, all ways round this is still Angels dancing on pin-heads and PS3 fanboys pretending their beloved machine is some day one day going to prove itself a vast leap ahead of everything out there.
Ain’t going to happen.
June 17th, 2009
Happyhockum:
Forza Motorsport 3 – requires 2 Dual Layer DVD9 disc
Blue Dragon – requires 3 Dual Layer DVD9 disc
Star Ocean: The Last Hope – requires 3 Dual Layer disc
Infinite Undiscovery – requires 2 Dual Layer DVD9 disc
Lost Odyssey – requires 4 Dual Layer DVD9 disc
Final Fantasy XIII – Unknown yet but it might be at least 6 Dual Layer DVD9 disc
Blu-ray Disc anyone…
June 17th, 2009
They don’t care about disc swapping Ivan.
Which is handy, considering they’ll probably have about five more years of it…
June 17th, 2009
I never knew that getting off your butt to change a disc every 10 or so hours into a game was such a big deal….
June 17th, 2009
Depends how big your butt is…
June 18th, 2009
“PS3 technically superior to Xbox 360 – Fact! end of story.â€
I think this one’s dying out Mike but nice try.
I think what really kicked this one up a notch (besides Andrews baiting) was the 360 camp saying that UMD and BluRay are dead technologies. Sony fanboys seem to have some irrational attachment to disk formats.
June 18th, 2009
“Sony fanboys seem to have some irrational attachment to disk formats.”
So should 360 fanboys, given the amount of discs some 360 games need.
June 18th, 2009
The PS1 can now be compared to the Xbox 360 LMFAO. Imagine you wanna play Forza Online but the online is in the second disc but the cars you want are on another. What a mess i would hate to have that problem lucky we got Blu-ray Disc technology. 50GB is way better then 8 GIG.
Another point for Sony Corporation
June 18th, 2009
Andrew’s baiting is great! I bet he’s pissing himself laughing at the reaction’s he’s getting, I know I am.
June 18th, 2009
harry sachz:
You just hating because you can’t get a PS3 yet.
At least Sony has a product.
June 18th, 2009
Thanks lock_down and Ivan for confirming my point. One little comment about BluRay not being so great and the fanboys come out in force.
June 18th, 2009
me_:
No one said anything bad about Blu-ray Disc is perfect. So i don’t know what are talking about.
June 18th, 2009
Wow Ivan you really do have the memory of a gold fish.
Here are some of the highlights of Happyhockums anti-Blu-ray rant.
“So what that it has an expensive video format destined to be a failed niche product (like UMD)?
That’s not ‘a good thing’.â€
“Blu-ray has failed already.â€
“Blu-ray is not going to be as big as DVD. Even Samsung publicly reckon it has less than 5yrs to go now.â€
“We can already see from the Blu-ray growth rate (along with things like the HD TV penetration rate) that Blu-ray just can’t grow fast enough.â€
“You have to be pretty blind to think Blu-ray is ever going to be much more than a high-margin nicheâ€
“You’ll also find, if you look at the data, that DVD movie disc sales grew faster than Blu-ray movie disc sales have done (even with Blu-ray getting a leg-up by being included in the PS3).â€
“In video terms PS3 ploughs a rather lonely furrow, doomed to be spurned by those who own the most of them (PS3 owners) as Blu-ray movie disc sales prove.â€
“Current weekly sales numbers are handy for showing how poor and small Blu-ray’s share of the market is.â€
“The truth remains, Nielson is showing that in the USA (which with the exception of Japan is the most advanced of us with HD use) Blu-ray movie sales are tiny and remain tiny.â€
“Like I said, there is no reason to assume (on present growth rates) that Blu-ray could even grow fast enough to matter now.â€
June 18th, 2009
me_:
Oops LoL. No one here cares about happyhockums since he doesn’t own a PS3 he’s claims always fall flat. Never mind what that Xbot has written no one cares.
June 18th, 2009
He seems to have a set top box blu-ray player though.
June 18th, 2009
Ivan, I have access to a PS3 whenever I want to use one. Problem is that I rarely feel the need/want to.
June 18th, 2009
HH. I have left you alone for a while ….. but F&^K man ….. conspiracy theories of supposed sony world wide domination and the other contrived dribble that your going on with at the moment ….
ENJOY YOUR SYSTEM OF CHOICE M8. I AM !!!! all 5 of them (360, ps3, ds lite, ipod touch, oh, and the wii too) You are coming across as way too insecure. The 360 is here to stay and so is the ps3 and blu-ray. ACCEPT IT…… you goal of uniting everyone against the ps3 and sony is not going to work.
June 18th, 2009
“They don’t care about disc swapping Ivan.
Which is handy, considering they’ll probably have about five more years of it…”
You absolutely right we don’t care because the time it takes to disk swap would be less time then it takes for you to install to the Hard Drive. But in all honesty the 360′s ability to “Have an Option” to install is another way to minimize the disk swaping and I’m quite sure that doesn’t take as much time as the bluray install. Plus games on demand is coming so there goes the disk. Dame all of a sudden Bluray just looks like the format with limitations.
June 18th, 2009
@harry,
Well this argument really exploded on Neogaf and GT after EA Senior VP said this. I wanted to write an editorial to counter some of the useless arguing going on.
People will nitpick and say “this game looks better on 360… this game looks better on PS3… PS3 has Uncharted, Killzone… 360 has Gears of War.. disc install… Blu-ray outdated… X developer said this, Y developer said that.. blah blah…”
Its all useless argument because at the end of the day on paper the PS3 is technologically superior than the Xbox 360, this is fact.
However, my main point is that technically superior does not necessarily translate on superior games. 360 has some of my all time favorite games like L4D, Gears, Mass Effect etc… I actually am for arguing about which game is better but its pretty stupid to argue about which hardware is superior when its a set static factor.
June 18th, 2009
“Its all useless argument because at the end of the day on paper the PS3 is technologically superior than the Xbox 360, this is fact.â€
It would have been nice for you to mention that the 360 has a superior graphics chip.
I will concede the point that the PS3 is a better at being a Blu-Ray player and folding at home client though.
June 18th, 2009
EA knows PS3 RuLeZ finally they realize quality.
PS3 has superior technology better exclusives. And yes more power trasnlate into better games just look at:
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriotts
UNCHARTED: Drake’s Fortune
UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
Killzone 2
Warhawk
Resistance: Fall Of Man
Resistance 2
PLAYSTATION Home
Life With PlayStation
Blu-ray Disc
Gears of War is a mini games compare to PS3 games. As for Mass Effect that game sucked. Left 4 Dead is just shooting and average graphics. Xbox is a hardware nightmare unfinished console with awful horrible quality. More power means better game Sony is proving that with every exclusive.
June 18th, 2009
@me_,
Well you have to consider that the PS3′s graphics card is not meant to generate full blow graphics like the Xbox 360 like a traditional PC rig.
The actual Cell Processor is suppose to handle all of the complex ray-tracing and graphics coding with the graphics card doing the final texturizing.
This is the vision of the PS3 from the get go. Actually the original vision was to do everything including final texturizing all on the Cell but a compromise was made to use the graphics card for final texturizing.
This sharply contrasts to the Xbox 360 which generates graphics like your traditional PC rig relying heavily on the graphics card to do all of the workload.
First party studios like GG (Killzone 2) and Naughty Dog (Uncharted) use this technique but the problem arises with lazy multiplatform developers.
Today many 3rd party devs try to take advantage of the SPUs (cell) to do most of the front loading and calculations but the easiest way to develop multiplatform titles is to use the PS3′s underpowered graphics card and only use the Cell to do some of the calculations like the Xbox 360, but this is mis-using the PS3′s intended architecture resulting in sub-par games.
Anyway, its all really complex stuff even for a Software developer like myself.
Intel and IBM have said that using multi-core scalar technology to do intense ray-tracing is the future in game graphics and is currently pushing it.
There is even some speculation there is market agenda by the CPU Giants to push Nvidia and ATi out of the lucrative graphics card market, but thats something that belongs in the TECH section..
Here is some samples of ray-tracing front loaded via CPU (Cores/SPUs) without using the graphics card at all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKqZKXwop5E&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blfxI1cVOzU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLte5f34ya8
Like I said its all complex stuff even above my paygrade, so its really useless for the consumers to try to say things like X console has more ram, Y console uses XDR ram, X console has better graphics card etc….
June 18th, 2009
@ mike,
I am no technophile, but why do I keep reading about RAM differences between the two (in favour of the 360) and graphics card differences (again in favour of the 360)? It seems that either machine has advantages over each other in particular points.
June 18th, 2009
Nice Mike good respond but still thanks for saying that about Sony.
June 18th, 2009
Doesn’t matter what you say Mike, the true xbots don’t like hearing anything insinuating that “another” console is technically superior, even though their console is selling more (in NA anyways)
June 18th, 2009
I think you may find Harry that each system has a different way of handing their relevant processes.
The 360 handles things very similar to a PC whereas the ps3 doesn’t. As mike said earlier, the video card for the ps3 is assisted heavily by the Cell, the 360 is reliant mostly on the video card.
June 18th, 2009
WOW. I haver my own stalker. I am honored.
Welcome ‘fuck andrew-ds’. I must have hit a raw nerve with someone! Anyhoo, I am going to take your name literally. But only if you say ‘pretty please’
Ivan, Better hardware does not = better games. Fact. The original GTA was a great game but didn’t really push the HW of the PC I was running it on. Tetris, Lemmings…etc.
And exclusives does not make a good game either. Metal Gear 4. Yeah nice movie.
June 18th, 2009
Hay Harry. “Andrew’s baiting is great! I bet he’s pissing himself laughing at the reaction’s he’s getting, I know I am.” Glad to hear not everybody here has had a sense of humor by-pass.
The ps4th fan girls don’t like disc swapping, regardless of how in-frequent it is. They remember how much weight they lost of their finely tuned bubble gum asses back in the days of FF VII. And they swore never to have to shift their butts again.
June 18th, 2009
“The actual Cell Processor is suppose to handle all of the complex ray-tracing and graphics coding with the graphics card doing the final texturizing.”
I don’t want to be nit picking but I don’t think any console does real time ray-tracing. I watched a Quake 3 demo once that was ray traced on some suped up desktop (at 15 fps) and it didn’t look like anything else I’ve seen on a console or PC.
I’ve heard people say how the Cell is a better GPU than the GPU in the PS3. It’s hard to tell how much of this was spin by Sony but I suppose it could be true.
I suspect this generation will be more like the SNES vs Genesis. One of them may have been technically superior but looking back they both look the same to me.
June 18th, 2009
Sorry Mike I should clarify that I don’t think any PS3 games are ray-traced.
June 18th, 2009
@me_,
Watch Killzone 2 dev. interview at 25 sec. mark –
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sony-gamers-killzone-2/34201
anyway.. the point I was trying to make was that technically multi-core scaler technology is the future as Intel presented during their press conference. I’ve worked on software since the single processor made the jump to the hyperthread technology.
There is no doubt about it from the development community this is the way things are heading now with Moore’s Law nearing its end. This will get into other debates about technology trends etc.. and this is the exact thing I was indicating before that we as the consumer cannot debate logically.
So, its really useless to debate and nitpick. I really do believe the PS3 has a higher technology ceiling in contrast to the 360 which is plateauing now. But that doesn’t mean that I won’t be buying great 360 titles as the only on Xbox or only on the PS3 exclusives have made it imperative to own and play both consoles. So lets all enjoy the great games today and tomorrow.
June 18th, 2009
PLAYSTATION 3 still managers to have way better games admitted it already. Xbox 360 is just DLC crap. Sony is always looking at the future and Microsoft doesn’t bother looking they love the past.
Xbox 360 doesn’t have any game that you can say is jaw dropping mind blowing awesome.
http://eric_rollins.home.mindspring.com/ray/ray.html
http://www.edepot.com/playstation3.html
June 18th, 2009
@harry,
Sure I can try to clarify the confusion about RAM.
The 360 uses mainly 1 type of RAM – GDDR3 (shared) (512MB) which is widely used today.
The PS3 has a split memory architecture where the Cell has a dedicated experimental 256MB XDR ram (5x faster than GDDR3), and 256MB GDDR3 dedicated for Graphics card.
The decision was made to use the then, highly new XDR ram for its super fast speed to work in conjunction with the Cell processor which is meant to generate graphics procedurally via streaming instantly (hence the Cell Broadband engine label). Which is sort of what I was explaining about the Cell in my previous comment.
Its vastly different than the traditional method of tiling data into memory by buffering it and loading it which would require a larger memory footprint on the graphics card RAM.
The PS3 is suppose to frontload the work by streaming graphic generation on the fly using XDR and graphics card (ATi) is suppose to come around near the end and do the final texturizing using the dedicated GDDR3.
However, in the begining many 3rd party devs tried to develop on the PS3 like they would for the 360 and PC.
They negelected the XDR Cell dedicated ram, and only used the 256mb Graphics card dedicated GDDR3 to make their games run. This is easier to do as they don’t have to make drastic changes to the code architecture. Its all fine and dandy unless the game on the 360 needs all 512MB GDDR3 ram. This creates a problem as the devs have to try to squeeze all of the data on the PS3′s Graphics card dedicated GDDR3 (256mb), despite the fact there is the super-fast XDR ram just sitting there doing nothing.
Whew.. that was a mouth full~ thats the last explaining im doing regarding this topic.. must not use my brain..need to relax in Vegas…
June 18th, 2009
The Cell Broadband Engine is a beast then wow. Now i know why most PS3 game run so smooth.
June 18th, 2009
Good explanation mike
June 18th, 2009
The ps4th is BY FAR a superior machine. And IS capable of destroying the 360 with its superior graphics etc…
But a recent study has discovered the reason why the ps4th is struggling to differentiate its self from the ‘much lamer’ 360 in term of graphical beauty. Apparently a build up of nob cheese on the cell processor causes it to slow down and chug along at slow rate.
So remember, when giving your ps4th some big fan lover. Use a condom.
June 18th, 2009
“The PS3 has a split memory architecture where the Cell has a dedicated experimental 256MB XDR ram (5x faster than GDDR3), and 256MB GDDR3 dedicated for Graphics card.”
5x the speed but 5x the latency too. XDR died the same death RDRAM did in the PC world.
June 18th, 2009
All that techy chat Mike and still the final net result is that they both end up looking identical.
S’funny that, eh?
June 18th, 2009
Spideydog:
“conspiracy theories of supposed sony world wide domination and the other contrived dribble that your going on with at the moment ”
Er where?
You made this kind of claim before and I asked you to back it up with a quote…..and you failed to.
No surprises there.
“you goal of uniting everyone against the ps3 and sony is not going to work.”
Ooops, spot the projecting.
You just gave yourself away there.
It quite clear exactly how some posters see themselves in all of this.
It’s pretty laughable really.
June 18th, 2009
Lets be realistic for a moment here people. How can sony achieve domination in a world where it has no place? Hardcore market, Microsoft. Casual market, Nintendo. Floating market, both systems are affordable.
So where do sony fit? Answers on postcard and send to sony, 3 years ago!
June 18th, 2009
Andrew, didn’t you know?
Sony had their little tantrum & spat their dummy and abandoned the DVD Forum’s high def project to go it alone.
Of course this was not so as to reap the royalties they expected (but had missed out on with DVD) from what they hoped would be their own (or largely their own) video format.
No, they did it to spread peace love and cuddles through-out the world.
June 18th, 2009
HAPPY: “All that techy chat Mike and still the final net result is that they both end up looking identical.”
yeah, Halo and Killzone are identical right? both are the BEST LOOKING FPS so far right?
June 18th, 2009
Roca
You can pretend to see a world of difference if you like but I think most reasonable people can see there’s nothing in it.
Besides, who are you trying to kid, it’s not as if every PS3 game looks like KZ2 – and there are better looking games than Halo on the Xbox.
Better luck next time.
June 18th, 2009
Put it like this, when Modern Warfare 2 comes out on Xbox and is (probably by some margin) the or one of the best looking games released so far what will you be saying then, eh?
You’ll be saying (when it is released) that the PS3 one looks the same and it’s no big deal, it’s all just down to opinion.
Which is all you’re airing now.
June 18th, 2009
Is that all you got HH ??
Your reply was a 5 minutes of my life I will never get back again ….. complete dribble.
Pretty laughable really.
June 18th, 2009
Damn Spidey. That was 1 min of my life. I will never get that back either. Is someone collecting all this time?
One way to look at it though Spideydog is at least you didn’t waste it using the sony ps4th, even if it has the bestest most perfect exclusives and blu ray and cell uber processor.
Roca. Obviously killjoyzone2 and Halo are not identical. They are neither the same game, released in the same time frame or even for the same gen console! killjoyzone 2 if for ps4th and Halo is for Xbox. DOH! How about comparing an EA multiplatform game like Fifa or Need for Speed?
June 18th, 2009
It took you a whole minute to read that !!!! One of your strap on’s must have got in the way ….. lol
June 18th, 2009
how about comparing the CoD vs killzone2 ?
no matter what you throw in Killzone is the best looking game. and dont get me started about graphics because i know you 360 ppl hate to see the list of sony’s exclusive because is by far better than the 5 exclusive the 360 have this year.
but in the end no matter what u say the PS3 has the best looking GAME in every category/GENRE.
June 18th, 2009
Spidey, I was wearing my strap ons on my head! I thought I would be able to skip a generation and use mind control. It didn’t work. It just made me look like a dick head.
Thats why it too so long to read. Oh that and the generations of inbreeding that have gone on in my family. I have no idea if my mother is my sister or what? Al I know is she is hot! Rrrrrr.
Roca. Again you miss the point. What is the point of comparing two games that are not the same. At least these two are in the same generation though. How about COD (360) vs Cod (ps4th). Whats that echoee rattling noise you can hear. Just an idea that I popped in your head.
Oh and I can think of a category that the ps4th doesn’t have the best graphics. Wanna know what it is? Tune in next week.
June 18th, 2009
Spideydog
As laughably feeble as always and as always expected.
Roca
You can make your predictable, silly & ridiculously exaggerated claims all you like, but everyone knows the 2 consoles look identical with only the most minor differences between them.
All this noise and BS over what?
Nothing.
For all your lip-flapping we all still await any PS3 game to come along and show us this supposed enormous ‘superiority’.
It’s clearly one thing to squalk on and on about a theoretically higher spec, quite another to actually show it.
Obviously.
June 18th, 2009
multiplatform doesnt count. because we all know the 360 is holding this generation back. if COD was to be develop for the PS3 only it woould’ve looked lot better.
the only category u can think of is that Sony CANT make those beautiful 3 red lights the 360 has. those are in FULL 1080p running at 120 FPS and its all built in.
June 18th, 2009
Yes it is laughable because if they went through all that trouble to create a headach for developers and it results in the same thing then yes it is laughable. What exactly is sony trying to do? First it’s to win a format and now it to change the way games are made. It looks like they’re trying to gain all the royalities and carve out a new way of doing things so they become the new big cheese. Well that’s what it looks like to me.
June 18th, 2009
ohhh happy!!!!! when are you going to wake up
June 18th, 2009
CAD,
I dont see anything on the 360 similar to Uncharted, Killzone2, MSG4, LBP, Wipeout HD, Motorstorm, or infamous
and i can keep going. now thats pretty laugable lol poor 360
June 18th, 2009
“As laughably feeble as always and as always expected.”
Your grammar is laughably poor and confusing as is your grasp of gaming machines.
I will reply for you HH:
“Oh laughably laughable silliness Spidey, so very laughable”
There, you don’t need to get the last say now HH, I said it for you !!!!
June 18th, 2009
Mike – do you work on developing game software… or just software?
If you work on games, can you give us a hint on anything you have worked on? Just curious.
June 18th, 2009
Roca :
“multiplatform doesnt count” – Yes it does.
“because we all know the 360 is holding this generation back” – No its not.
“if COD was to be develop for the PS3 only it woould’ve looked lot better” – It was and it doesn’t.
“ohhh happy!!!!! when are you going to wake up” – He has.
“I dont see anything on the 360 similar to Uncharted, Killzone2, MSG4, LBP, Wipeout HD, Motorstorm, or infamous” – I do.
“and i can keep going” – No you can’t.
“now thats pretty laugable lol poor 360″ – No its not.
June 18th, 2009
‘Mike – do you work on developing game software… or just software? ‘
I know for a fact he used to code those japanese dating sims
June 18th, 2009
Oh dear Spideydog, nevermind.
If only you were as much as half the amazingly funny & witty raconteur you are…..in your own mind.
June 18th, 2009
I always wonder who was responsible for those rape sims…. now I know.
June 18th, 2009
HH what the hell are you doing replying …… you obviously don’t read do you ??? I already did it for you. Your grammar has still not improved at all.
Just leave it to me to reply for you, as it saves embarrassment for you when you try to get the last word.
“Oh that just so laughable, laughably ridiculous.”
June 18th, 2009
Jebus H Spideydog.
Pathetic.
June 18th, 2009
“Oh laughably laughable silliness Spidey, so very laughableâ€
Ok, I don’t care who you are, that was hilarious…
-Arvis
June 18th, 2009
Also, I ran across this comment on the N4G article about Ghostbusters that Barnabe linked for us a ways up there:
“Can someone remind me why the 360 community thinks its a gigantic feat for a multiplatform game to ultimately look worse than anything ever made on the ps3?
Its really confusing. People pretend like they dont know what bad code is. PS3 gets bad code quite often, its expensive to develop for. But when the PS3 gets good code, its results are impossible to duplicate on the 360. Everyone goes silent, and moves to the next article. I’ve yet to see any 360 person try to challenge Uncharted2 with a multiplat. And it didn’t take 6 years to make.
Much like MGS4 not being able to run on the 360, which was proven with a multiplatform release of Rising, I doubt the PS3′s power should be in question anymore. That was the major test, and konami decided to pass.
Why cheerlead multiplatform games as graphical powerhouses in the first place? Is it due to the lack of any first party 360 engines?
Educate me, because this whole multiplatform argument is ‘next gen’ because certainly everyone understood what multiplatform titles were for in previous generations. Filler until the exclusives show up. Lead platforms mean nothing when you can’t Unchart-ify a game.”
Loved it. Good stuff.
-Arvis
June 18th, 2009
Arvis:
You are so right. When PS3 gets a minor bad thing is everywhere top news when Xbox 360 gets a gigantic system crash or no games or games like Gears of War 2 and Fable full of glitches no one says anything is pure silent. They love to compare games they can win only. They had never compare Uncharted 1 or 2 or MGS4 or Killzone 2 or Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction reason because they know they gonna get slaughter by Sony’s game. Any game can beat Halo. The PS3 has superior power which translate into super superior games. America is biased because Microsoft is a failing American monopolies company going down hill.
June 18th, 2009
It’s b*llocks Arvis.
The only reason ‘they passed’ relates to the hard drive not being in every Xbox.
That’s all.
Storage.
It has nothing to do with idiotic notions of the ‘incredible, awesome and quasi-devine power’ (C: PS3 fanboy international) of the PS3′s processing.
June 18th, 2009
“The only reason ‘they passed’ relates to the hard drive not being in every Xbox.”
Does that not count as a shortcoming of the system, Happy?
I think if you spent some time with titles like Uncharted and MGS4, you’d be at least as impressed (close, maybe?) with them as you are with Gears or Mass Effect or what have you.
The comment I copy/pasted seemed admittedly pro-Sony, but the points work both ways. Don’t compare multiplat games, compare exclusives. The exclusives on both systems are always the games that shine.
-Arvis
June 18th, 2009
multiplatform doesnt count. because we all know the 360 is holding this generation back. if COD was to be develop for the PS3 only it woould’ve looked lot betterâ€
That doesn’t make much sense to me. All multiplatform games look a lot better on the PC. Why does the 360 hold back the PS3 but not the PC?
June 18th, 2009
Arvis
Personally I wish they would just get over it and punt the 20gb HDD out to anyone supplying an Arcade serial number.
Is a small section of the Xbox community having no hard drive a system short-coming?
Well in one sense of course it is because it ensures that devs have to miss out on exploiting the HDD.
But you know as well as I that when people are trying to big-up the PS3′s abilities they are not just making big claims about storage.
(which isn’t such a big deal on PS3 anyways, from what I have seen the max saving to HDD they force is around 5.25 – 5.5gb, GT5 Prologue & MSG 4 & the optional online stuff).
Things are very even now, if Microsoft sanctioned HDD games only they would be even less distinguishable.
me_
You’re missing the point, stay away from mentioning PCs!
You just can’t bore the world to death about how awesome a PS3 is compared to a PC cos you’d be laughed at forever.
June 19th, 2009
I’m new here, and thought I would drop in my 2 cents.
I’ve owned both a PS2 and Xbox.
When I cam to guy the next gen I got an Xbox360.
Why?
Halo.
Until PS3 has Halo, this argument is over.
June 19th, 2009
“Jebus H Spideydog.
Pathetic.”
You just can’t let it go can you HH ….. LAST WORD syndrome ……
So vulgariously laughably pathetic of a general laughable nature …… Naughty Spidey, naughty Spidey !!!
June 19th, 2009
I’m new here, and thought I would drop in my 2 cents.
I’ve owned both a PS2 and Xbox.
When I cam to guy the next gen I got an Xbox360.
Why?
Halo.
Until PS3 has Halo, this argument is over.
Bah hahahahahaha. Another xbot.
Welcome, Welcome
June 19th, 2009
You better recruit some more PS3 fanboys Spideydog, you’re about to be outnumbered
June 19th, 2009
me_:
Theres way more PS3 fan here then Xbox 360we own this website basically. Dave and Mike love PLAYSTATION 3 more i think i hope, but the are not fanboy like…
CAD
harry sachz
me_
happyhockums
The rest of the website is all PS3 fanatics.
We have a bigger army then you Xbots.
June 19th, 2009
‘Until PS3 has Halo, this argument is over.’
Hell yeah, best mother fucking spunk enducing FPS EVARZ!
June 19th, 2009
Since my last post, I took a survey of game systems in use by people I know.
(I’m going to assume most of you are from USA, I’m from AUS)
Here come the scarey part…..
The most popular system is Wii.
Apparently, dispite the lack of extreme graphics and big, exclusive shooing games, the Wii is simply more fun!
Also, since the highest selling game franchise in the world right now is Guitar Hero, which system (PS3 / Xbox 360) has the best sound?
Perhaps graphics isn’t everything.
June 19th, 2009
Ivan, why an army? Why not make it a navy? That way you can have a Rear Admiral, Seaman Stains and you can all frolic on the poop deck?
June 19th, 2009
Yay Ferri. Welcome here bud. Well done for using the basics facts of the matter to prove that all the fan boys arguments are irrelvent. More power? Looks like most just don’t care.
June 19th, 2009
Ferri:
“When I cam to guy the next gen I got an Xbox360.
Why?
Halo.
Until PS3 has Halo, this argument is over.”
wow what a waste of money
June 19th, 2009
no matter what Happy, Andrew, CAD, Kev, Harry and me_ say……..the FACT is the 360 has nothing close to Killzone, uncharted, Gran Turismo, Heavy Rain, MAG, FF versus XII, MGS4, Last Gardian, God of War III, LPG, Mod Nation racers.
PERIOD. keep arguing all you want because the FACT is and always goign to be undesputed.
June 19th, 2009
Roca – ” keep arguing all you want because the FACT is and always goign to be undesputed.”
Errrm, hello. I am disputing it. FACT So are others. FACT. There are games for the 360 FACT that counter FACT those that you FACT mentioned. FACT.
And thats a FACT!
June 19th, 2009
thats all you got. please dont waste my time.
June 19th, 2009
why didn’t Mike address the embedded RAM of the 360′s GPU when comparing memory?
oh..that’s right…because he’s a flaming ps3 fanboy….
June 19th, 2009
roca – simply typing FACT in capitals, doesn’t mean it’s so…. a simple, yet consistent, fanboy mistake…..
June 19th, 2009
Arvis – That comment jumped out at me also.
June 19th, 2009
Barnabe, the only reason I read it was because the user’s icon was the symbol used by French techno/dance/house band, Justice. I was just skimming until that caught my eye.
Also, is it just me, or did our new friend Ferri arrive here at Blorge fresh from 2007? I haven’t heard that mindless “Wii is more fun, graphics aren’t everything” party line in a LONG time! It really takes me back…
-Arvis
June 20th, 2009
Arvis:
When quoting people, try to be verbatim.
“Perhaps graphics isn’t everything”
It was more of a question, than a statement.
Throughout this blog, there have are a lot of people trying to compare graphics.
Question for all: “Are graphics the only way to compare consoles?”
Now the title of this blog does use the phrase “technically superior”. So perhaps we shouldn’t use “fun” as a comparison in this blog.
But by that reasoning, game titles (including stringing lots of exclusive games together roca) do not IN ANY WAY prove the technological superiority of one console over another.
So, another question (and please pardon my ignorance one this issue): “Is there any game CURRENTLY released that is on one console, but cannot (due ONLY to technical limitations) be played on another.â€
Also, “Are there any features (and can we please leave the blu-ray drive out of this) that one console has over the other?â€
June 20th, 2009
ferri: ““Is there any game CURRENTLY released that is on one console, but cannot (due ONLY to technical limitations) be played on another.â€
uhmm yeah
Killzone 2
MGS4
God of War 3
LBP
Heavy Rain
Uncharted
June 21st, 2009
Thought i join in
Im new, but been watching topics in between ps3 and 360 for a fairly long time now.
Firstly, IVAN you are the biggest Sony kiss ass i have ever seen, as we can see their are people who support the 360, but none of them go as far as claiming their console is perfect. Not like you
360 has its bloody faults which do suck really bad. No point listing them as i could be writing all day
But yet something obvious is happening…. The console is still selling bloody well. the games, even if they are glitchy, less graphical, are fun and very enjoyable.
Ps3 has its flaws, 360 has it flaws, each console DOES have its strengths over the other, Both console have great games. No matter how much any of you try and twist thigns aorund
the 360 is a massive hit, outselling the original xbox, gaining market share.
I’m sorry to say but the Ps3 wont be seeing the market share it use to have in the Ps2 days.
So is the 360 a failure hell no.. its actually a total success to Microsoft even with its major flaws.
Is the Ps3 a failure hell no…
But the PS3 has a lot more to proove than the 360, as it is compared to the Ps2 in market dominance, and 360 for next generation in gaming.
360 has seriously out performed its predecessor, in games, RPGS anyone, (yes some are not great but i see a lot more choices than on the PS3 :S
I own both Consoles, i play games on both. 360 was my first console which i bought on day one, I bought a Ps3 on day one (why would i buy it if 360 had everything) and same likewise why would i buy 360 when i can wait for Ps3.
Its the games ! I do what console are suppose to be for and that’s gaming,
So can you Ivan and everybody else give it a bloody break
June 22nd, 2009
Roca –
Howls of derisive laughter.
June 22nd, 2009
Happy,
I went ahead and ran that post through Babel Fish, and chose the “Hockum to English” option, and it came out as “Yeah, a lot of those games would probably take a huge hit in overall quality if imported to the 360, but I just don’t want to admit it.”
If only you would use normal English, Happy, you’d come across as a lot more reasonable.
-Arvis
June 22nd, 2009
^^^ lol
June 22nd, 2009
Arvis,
Thanks for tranlating that for me. i didnt understand what he was saying.
but the translation from “Hockum to English” sounds pretty understandable.
June 23rd, 2009
My english to Hockum translator is on the frits. Ate too much Ayn Rand and have been pissing Limbaugh through my ass all weekend.
June 23rd, 2009
Ben….
GOOD post men. I agree with you 100%.
I had both console but my x360 died so right now i dont feel the need of having a 360. because there hasnt been anygames for it lately and you know it. ill get one eventually but not now and not this year.
June 23rd, 2009
Might want to scale back on that Rand, Jofa, or you’ll find yourself wallowing in selfish egotism.
Maybe everyone on this site is reading too much Ayn Rand…?
-Arvis
June 23rd, 2009
Nah, as I mentioned, I was hershey squirting out the Limbaugh all weekend.