Microsoft clueless about PS3 Parental Control – Xbox 360
President Obama made a comment a few days ago using the Xbox as the whipping boy for problems with video games today. This comment has Microsoft riled-up resulting in a public response to President Obama’s comment. Interestingly enough, Microsoft claims that the Xbox 360 is the only console to have parental controls.
According to Gamepolitics, at an event commemorating the 100th anniversary of the NAACP, President Obama made a remark that parents need to put away the Xbox. This has been a continuing theme for President Obama, who indicated in the past that video games contribute to downward trend in education levels in the United States.
Apparently, President Obama’s specific use of the Xbox as the whipping boy for his crusade has made Microsoft a bit uncomfortable. Microsoft publicly responded by stating:
We agree with President Obama that it’s a time for families to work together so that kids use media in ways that are safe, healthy and balanced. Xbox 360 is the only console gaming system that has a timer feature allowing parents to set time limits for their kids, as well as parent controls to enable parents to set limits on what their kids are playing and watching.
The 360 certainly is the only console out there with a built in timer restriction, but it is not the only system that enables “parents to set limits on what their kids are playing and watching.” The PS3 actually has a robust set of parental control features for: Blu-ray movies, DVDs, Internet browsing, video games, and even chatting. The Nintendo Wii also has parental controls for videos and games.
I have to defend Microsoft for being so defensive, as the Xbox was unfairly singled out. Out of the next gen consoles, Nintendo has over 50 percent of the market share and Sony holds 21 percent market share which isn’t that far off from Microsoft’s 29 percent. Also, it’s not like the Wii is filled with intellectual or non-violent games either. Let’s face it; Mario Galaxy will rot your brain as much as Gears of War.
Also, lets not count the PS2 out yet, as it is still selling strong even today moving on average 150k per month just in the US alone. With over 150 million units worldwide, the PS2 was said to be the most played console in 2008. Despite Microsoft’s casual market dreams, it seems like it will be difficult for the company to shake off the hardcore Halo/Gears of War-gaming stigma it has built up for the Xbox 360 over the years.
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July 19th, 2009
21% is not that far off from 29% but the figures are flawed because not all PS3’s were bought for gaming. That’s why game sales are terrible on the PS3. Yet even though Nintendo has over 50% Microsoft still beats them in game sales.
July 19th, 2009
@CAD,
I agree with you that not all PS3 owners play games on them albeit a small %, but making a comment like that is equivalent to someone saying some of the 29% of Xbox 360s are RRoD replacements.. again albeit a small %..
Point being its just a useless, fruitless “who has a bigger car” argument as PS3 and 360 owners both play a substantial amount of games.
..wait what is the point of your straw man argument again..?
July 19th, 2009
‘because not all PS3’s were bought for gaming. ‘
Stop subscribing to happy’s bullshit.
Even if 50,000 people purchased the unit for movies alone and never purchased a single game thats about 0.25% of the total install base (using 20million as a nice round number).
I believe that most of the 360’s userbase are ‘hardcore gamers’(hence way more games sales), more so that on the PS3 (and leagues ahead of the wii). But alot of people on either are going to be casuals who pick up and play every so often, use the media features of thier unit, etc etc.
July 19th, 2009
“Stop subscribing to happy’s bullshit.”
Amen to that.
July 19th, 2009
@ Mike,
Would it hurt you to be maybe a little more truthful in your titles? Microsoft said;
“Xbox 360 is the only console gaming system that has a timer feature allowing parents to set time limits for their kids, AS WELL AS parent controls to enable parents to set limits on what their kids are playing and watching.”
The key words here are ‘as well as’. They are fully aware of what the other systems have, however they are stating that along with the parental control feature they also have the timer settings. That’s hardly being clueless.
July 19th, 2009
Get him Harry ….. lol
Mike, you’ve been under siege lately brother … what’s going on
July 19th, 2009
SW those first 2 years when the PS3 was the best spec v cost Blu-ray player (with very few decent games) are kind of hard to explain then (especially as Blu-ray disc sales are seriously out of balance with the paltry numbers of ultra expensive low spec machines out at that stage).
Still, I guess you will not be swayed.
Spideydog
Get over me sweetie, I’m just not atttracted luvvie.
July 19th, 2009
Right on cue mike.
PS3 gets its monthly thrashing by xbox in NPD sales so you post your usual anti xbox dribble of half truths.
It’s hilarious that you actually posted microsofts response which harry mentioned above. WTF Mike??? Don’t treat us like morons. I think this article is even an insult to the ps3 fanboys. At least edit out the last bit of microsofts comment in which you are contradicting yourself lol
July 19th, 2009
Spidey i see you seemed to have skipped over the last article ha ha! Have ps3 fans given up on excuses on it’s awful sales??
July 19th, 2009
^
Na, he just does not care how many each console sells, he just likes the games like me. I like how you took my bait in the last article though! lol
July 19th, 2009
Knighthawk, I think a more accurate statement is you do not care as much about sales as you do about games. If you didn’t care at least a tidbit about how many each console sells, you wouldn’t have posted on the last article things like “Hmmm, Sony’s systems are all in the bottom 3. But you add those three numbers up and Sony has moved 408,900 pieces of hardware! “, etc., “both sides of the coin”, etc. Considering the rest of your posts defending your previous comments there, it seem pretty clear it wasn’t “bait” as you claim. In any case, I have nothing against what you said (the same points being made several other times by many others here before).
I would say just about anybody here cares less (including myself) about sales than games. Low sales can equate to future support being dropped by one or more developers/publishers, which is why we tend to pay attention at times. For the most part I would say we come here to comment, sometimes about sales, sometimes about Mike’s titles, and sometimes just to see what is going on.
July 19th, 2009
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Really man, it’s very few and far between you will see me commenting on sales about any of the consoles. I just knew someone like CON would turn it into me being a raging fanboy and I was right. So see it as you may, yes it was a little flambait on my part! Honestly really don’t care who sells the most because I own all of the hardware listed in that NDP article. Can’t say I’m really loyal to any of the one companies as I have blew a ton of money on each. I would have to say I have spent the most money with Microsoft this gen so far! Oh no, guess I’m a Microsoft fanboy now! lol
July 19th, 2009
has M$ microsoft ever been right about something?
July 19th, 2009
here is the real numbers CON..(argue this all u want)
“As of March 31st, 2009, the PS3 had sold 22.91 million units worldwide, while the Xbox 360 sold 30.2 million units. That’s a lead of approximately 7 million. But when the PS3 first launched, the 360 had sold 10 million units (since it had a one year headstart). That means that since the PS3 launch, the 360’s lead has shrunk by 3 million units. Now let’s look at the last-gen consoles. In their lifetimes, the Gamecube sold 21.74 million units, and the original Xbox 24 million. With the PS3 at 23 million, that means that it has sold the same amount as the Gamecube and Xbox in about half the time. “
July 19th, 2009
Okay thanks for the “real” numbers Ivan. I’m shocked that 360’s lead has actually shrunk!
Surely the ps3 should be compared to it’s predesessor. What about the “120 million” ps2 consoles?
The plain and simple facts month by month xbox is increasing it’s yearly sales and ps3’s are declining. The xbox games sales are fantastic and better than the wii whilst ps3 sales are awful.
The reason for this is that xbox was simply the better console this generation than the ps3.
Argue what you will about RROD and paying for LIVE. It is simply a better online service and people are prepared to pay for that. They came through with the warranty not to mention the complimentory LIVE subscription for any console sent away. They also put the money behind the games (the life and blood of any console) and ended the exclusitivity of the majority of sony’s big console sellers.
So surely you can give xbox a bit of credit where credit is due.
July 19th, 2009
CON
“The reason for this is that xbox was simply the better console this generation than the ps3″
LMAOO…..that was funny! u sure know how to make good jokes.
July 19th, 2009
The “joke” Ivan/Roca is that despite months of dire PS3 sales numbers, very decent Xbox sales figures and outstanding Wii sales numbers you continue to try and claim everything is going great for the PS3.
The truth is that since Sept 2008 Xbox has been piling up the sales after it’s last big price chop.
July 19th, 2009
the truth is the ever since the PS3 came out it has outsold the 360 by 3 million units.
but if calling me Ivan make u feel better. then fine!
July 19th, 2009
@CON,
mmm… I wasn’t thinking you were a moron, I was thinking you were smart and understood grammar, subjective predicate.. but if you insist otherwise..
Guys,
.. lol its funny how it always turns into some argument about sales.. I think the question here is – how does sales effect you in any way?
again let me reiterate – how does sales effect you in any way?
Think about that carefully before you start spouting some nonsense about wanting the other system to fail because your too poor to afford it all (don’t kid yourself) and don’t worry guys the PS3 and 360 will be around for a long long time mark my words.. in 10 yrs we will all probably be playing consoles from Samsung and Apple.
July 19th, 2009
Come on mike…. you clearly twisted that statement.
The statement itself was in response to obama!!! At no point does it reference the parental controls of ps3 anyway. So why have you then wrote an article about them being “clueless” about ps3???
Seriously?
July 19th, 2009
because that statement is not 100% accurate – its a hot topic so it needs to get covered. Simple as that.
Anyway its good to clear up any confusion.
July 19th, 2009
Mike:
again let me reiterate – how does sales effect you in any way?
Exactly!! I just need one console to ply my games.
i can care less about console sales but these xbot wont stop whinning about it
July 19th, 2009
Mike
Why is this the “hot topic” and not the news everyone else carried showing XBL sales increased 73%?
July 19th, 2009
“AS WELL as parent controls to enable parents to set limits on what their kids are playing and watching.”
Does ps3 set time limits AS WELL as limits on what children are playing and watching??? No! Therefore it is the only console. Seems 100% accurate to me.
Sorry Mike this is easily one of the your weakest anti xbox articles yet
July 19th, 2009
@CON,
Im not going to argue grammar with you, there are classes for that.
He says-
1) Xbox is the only console that does: A + B.
2) if he said – Xbox is the only console that does A.
It also does B.
That would be more accurate. I am trying clear up any confusion that the PS3 or Wii does not do “B.”
Hope that clarifies it for you.
July 19th, 2009
oh by the way – how is this anti xbox at all? Im defending it, stating that its not as bad as Prez. Obama is making it out to be when compared to the Wii & PS3.
July 19th, 2009
“Microsoft clueless about PS3 Parental Control” ……..Yeah that’s some good defending mike.
“1) Xbox is the only console that does: A + B.”
Actually it was…
Xbox is the only console that does: A ………as well as B.
You’re clearly nit picking mike
July 19th, 2009
CON
read the entire post MIKE stated that “The 360 certainly is the only console out there with a built in timer restriction”
so there…morron
July 19th, 2009
Seriously Ivan……..we’ve clearly covered that
July 19th, 2009
@CON,
“as well as ” != “+”?? LOL..
uh.. ok.. clearly your not comprehending and I am not nitpicking, Its my job to catch these glossed over statements when made in the public eye.
Also, clearly your confused as to what your a fan of (or should be)…I’m defending the Xbox, not Microsoft… why do you personally care about – Microsoft the large multi-billion dollar corporation, that has been ruled by the US Department of Justice and EU for various antitrust violations?
Are you a fan of the company or do you actually play the games?
July 19th, 2009
It’s not glossed over mike pure and simple. I comprehend what you’re trying to do, I’m just not buying it.
It’s a sentence with a statement that is true. You have taken half of that sentence and twisted it by making out that they are saying that xbox is the only console that you can set time limits on even though the is a comma and more added to the statement.
Microsoft make statements on xbox’s behalf just like sony do for ps3. This has nothing to do with what I think of the company or if I play games. This is you trying to get off the point
July 19th, 2009
Saints Row coming to PSP
July 19th, 2009
@CON,
feel free not to buy it – thanks for stopping by.
July 19th, 2009
I don’t, along with the majority of your articles.
Always a pleasure!
July 19th, 2009
“Think about that carefully before you start spouting some nonsense about wanting the other system to fail because your too poor to afford it all (don’t kid yourself)”
I don’t want the other console to fail, monopolies suck donkey balls. I can afford to buy the other console however what I cannot do is justify outlaying hundreds of dollars to play a handful of games that I can’t get on one machine.
July 19th, 2009
……and what is this ‘unable to afford it’ sh*te anyways?
According to the resident PS3 gang our Xboxes cost more than a PS3 when we get XBL & wireless,
(but it is interesting they never include the cost of the replacement bigger HDD they all seem to tout as essential though)
Mike
Still wondering how come XBL’s 73% growth didn’t merit a mention?
July 19th, 2009
“ again let me reiterate – how does sales effect you in any way?
Exactly!! I just need one console to ply my games.
i can care less about console sales but these xbot wont stop whinning about it”
I’m told the Dreamcast still enjoys great support from the homebrew community. I hope you enjoy the same great support for your PS3.
July 19th, 2009
@Happy,
Read my comment, it wasn’t directed at any particular fanboy faction. I was making a snide remark that the fanboys who are wanting the other system to fail are the ones that just can’t afford them.
Sorry if you felt it was directed at you personally as it wasn’t.
I can only write so many articles, and I usually pick the ones that I think will be high-impact news and haven’t been reported to hell and back.
July 19th, 2009
I don’t recall anyone saying that the replacement HDD is a necessity… in fact, in a quick mental tally, there are only 2 of us in my group of friends (about 15) that have upgraded the HDDs.
We all get along great. I upgraded the HDD because I also use it as an HTPC of sorts. I am taking the 320 out and putting the 80 back in, since my HTPC will be built in the next few days and I wanted to save on purchasing another one.
It cost me $82 brand new. How much did your 360’s 320gb HD cost you? oh yeah…
July 19th, 2009
Mike
I didn’t take it personally but I do think it’s a pretty silly comment wherever it comes from.
Personally I could easily afford all 3 consoles but I just don’t see the point of attracting the ear-ache from my Mrs if I did (ear-ache which I would have to agree was justified).
There are simply too few games on the others to justify my going beyond the Xbox & PC in my view and I have blu-ray well covered elsewhere with a stand-alone in addition to a 2nd PC doing stalwart duties as a HTPC.
JofaMang
In addition to my Elites 120gb HDD my external 500gb USB drive cost me £45/$73 US/$91 AUS
(I already had the SATA caddy).
Thanks you for asking.
July 19th, 2009
500GB usb drive?? keep dreaming
u probably meant 500GB external Hard drive
July 19th, 2009
I have a 500gb external, but it is NTFS formatted for storage of 4GB+ files from my PC. But that is apples and oranges. I was refering to internal drives (which you know but chose your arguement for FUD reasons, big suprise).
I ask again, how much was your INTERNAL 320GB drive, Happy?
July 19th, 2009
“500GB usb drive?? keep dreaming
u probably meant 500GB external Hard drive”
That connects using a USB making it a “USB drive”
My external HDD is a NAS so it doesn’t connect using USB.
July 19th, 2009
as far as i know USB drive is flash drive or junk drive.
wired External HDD connects via usb but it is still an External drive.
you guys are pretty dumb to be gamers. but what can we expect from x360 gamers. ur console is the best at missing Tech feature.
July 19th, 2009
“you guys are pretty dumb to be gamers.”
That’s one of the more insulting things I’ve had said to me.
How smart do you have to be to be a gamer anyway? I’d like to think I’m a little smarter than at least some of those foul mouthed 14 year old Halo fanatics.
July 19th, 2009
@ me_,
I find more foul mouthed kids playing Uno than Halo 3. I put it down to shitty parenting, where parents would think something along with the lines of ‘No way can I let my kid play Halo 3, it’s too violent. I’ll just let him/her download Uno, give him/her a headset and leave the room. There’s no harm that can come from this.’
The amount of times i’ve been called a mother f*cker just because I gave someone a draw 4 is amazing.
July 20th, 2009
Wow, I wouldn’t have thought that UNO would inflame such passion
At least the cricket is looking a little better, even after the brits paid off the umpires.
July 20th, 2009
Well as long as Obama is just attacking the 360, I’m surprisingly OK with it.
July 20th, 2009
We’ve had to work for it, huh? Imagine in a better position we would be if Katich, Hughes and Hussey weren’t given dud decisions. Anyway, that’s cricket I guess, the home team does seem to get the more favourable decisions.
Back on topic, I was thinking about how Obama said to the American public to ‘put their Xboxes away’. In hindsight he said the right thing, as he wanted to get his message across to as many people as he can. If he said to ‘put your Playstation 3 away’ he’d be referring to over 50% less people (using the US figures in VG Chartz.com) as it is definitely the less popular system of the two.
I am sure he didn’t mention to Wii because at least that system encourages you to be a little more active than the other two.
July 20th, 2009
‘you guys are pretty dumb to be gamers.’
Oh jeez, you misunderstood him, big deal. Just move on instead of digging a bigger hole for yourself by trying to be the smart man.
Everyone else here understood what he was talking about.
July 20th, 2009
No brains required to be a gamer. Our regular posters prove that beyond a shadow of a sliver of a doubt~
July 20th, 2009
CON said: “Spidey i see you seemed to have skipped over the last article ha ha! Have ps3 fans given up on excuses on it’s awful sales??
I don’t give a shit about game sales, I don’t give a shit about console sales or who is coming first third or last. I have never offered any excuses about games sales for ps3, nor will I in the future …… because I have a ZERO carefactor.
If I say something, I’m obviously a fanboy,(even if it’s 360 favourable) if I don’t, I’m still a fanboy, apparently denying the truth. I am in the same boat as Harry (as he explained on another thread) I have frequently advocated and stuck up for both consoles. But apparently if you like “both” consoles, you are a fanboy as well.
Get some perspective CON. Some people actually don’t care THAT much about the consoles, except that there is a good supply and good quality games. We get both, on both the systems.
HH said: “Spideydog, Get over me sweetie, I’m just not atttracted luvvie.”
If your looks are anything like the verbal diarrhea that spews from your keyboard daily, then you and I will agree on something …… you would be far from attractive. Besides, SW made the comment, I just agreed with him …. so is it you with the attraction to me. I wouldn’t blame you, your only human
July 20th, 2009
You boys need to exchange man chowder.
July 20th, 2009
You’ve been pretty active lately, Mr Sachz
July 20th, 2009
Knighthawk said: “Na, he just does not care how many each console sells, he just likes the games like me.”
Thanks KH. At least someone takes notice of what they read.
July 20th, 2009
CON – i think it says a lot that even with the RROD and paying for xbl, the 360 has more gamers, more online gamers, and selling more software….
this really does not speak well for the ps3….
July 20th, 2009
Ahhh, the 360 ninja is back, spreading his word of doom and gloom. I am sure the ps3 fanboys are rallying to your cause right now kev, as they see the end is nigh!
THE SKY IS FALLING …………. roflmao
July 20th, 2009
Roca
Are you blind or just intentionally stupid?
I already mentioned a SATA caddy which quite obviously then connects to whatever by USB.
So, pardon me for short-handing things, but it’s pretyy obvious I was referring to a bare external SATA drive in a caddy connecting with a USB2 connection.
Was that one really so tricky to grasp?
JofaMang
What’s the difference?
IIRC you can’t do what I can do with my Xbox hard drive (save and play whole games from it), yours just saves and runs parts of the game at any one time (up to 5gbs IIRC).
So, what’s the big deal with the rest of it?
With an external drive there’s space for all my pics, music & movies – and of course as well as that I can stream between my 2 PCs and the Xbox (I’ve a max of 2.25tbs in total storage there).
So what is it you think I’m missing out on?
Naturally when we get the 320gb, 400gb, 500gb or (here’s hoping) a 1tb drive (due on 2.5″ very shortly) I’ll move to that anyways but that’s just to save me the bother of playing discs from the disc drive (as well as opening up space for direct downloading games).
July 20th, 2009
KEV,
“i think it says a lot that even with the RROD and paying for xbl, the 360 has more gamers, more online gamers, and selling more software….”
of course it sells more software as the xbox has a built in scratcher. ppl have to buy the game twice.
same goes for the console. RROD some ppl just dont want to wait and get a brand new one.
July 20th, 2009
Yeah Roca, sure, sure.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to rationalise how come Xbox is beating all 7 shades out of PS3 right now, eh?
July 20th, 2009
jesh you guys take everything too personal
relax guys
July 20th, 2009
Don’t bother Ivan, the Xbots come out swinging everytime. It might be small-man syndrome, it might be a self-esteem issue. Either way, there isn’t much you can say to an Xbot that won’t have them frothing, unless of course, you are stroking their ego~
July 20th, 2009
So back to the story…
How would this be sooo much different than if MS said that the 360 is the only console with HD graphics and the ability to play online?
spread the misinformation MS!!!!!
July 20th, 2009
Roca & JofaMang
Sensitive little flowers today are we?
July 20th, 2009
What I want to know is why is it that everytime Microsoft makes that statement you never hear a response from Sony or Nintendo. Mike is the only one jumping to their defense. That’s because the statement is true. Microsoft is the only one with true parental control. Setting ESRB levels of rating is very minimal parental control. Are their passwords for accounts? Are their seperate ESRB Rating levels for games and Movies? Are there controls for online gaming. I have not seen what Nintendo or Sony’s Prental Controls are like but I’m sure it is nothing to the extent of the 360 because Sony nor Nintendo ever rebut that statement.
July 20th, 2009
Are their passwords for accounts? Are their seperate ESRB Rating levels for games and Movies?
yes CAD the PS3 has those feature.
I have a Password on my account.
and Other accounts on my system need my permission to download movies
July 20th, 2009
“Stop subscribing to happy’s bullshit.”
Sorry but I was the first one to ever bring that up way before Happy ever came to Blorge. It just so happens that Happy knows that side of the story too and it’s a fact you PS3 boys love to ignore even through you used to say that the PS3 was the cheepest Bluray player as part of your defense as a reason to buy the PS3. That is no longer the case and I personally don’t care about the Bluray side of things which is the reason why Mikes effort to make it seem as though Sony is only 8% behind when in reality the true percentage of PS3 that were bought for gaming will never really be known. This rings true because your game sales are the worst and I have never wittnessed a company say it was going to pull support for a system before.
July 20th, 2009
Well then if Roca is telling to truth then I guess the PS3 does have Parental control.
July 20th, 2009
just like we’ll never know how many ps3’s were bought for gaming, we’ll also never know how many people re-purchased a 360 rather than going 6 weeks without a console during the oh so frequent rrod fiasco. Lets call it a moot point.
July 20th, 2009
Again, politics vs games… If there is someone to blame is the parents… even if MS didn´t have a parental control, it´s up to the parents to decide and control how much gaming their children have.
Is that difficult to stop a kid from gaming in order to get him/her to do his/her homework?
July 20th, 2009
Props to CAD for using the word “rebut” correctly. You’d think we’d see that word a lot more on these boards. CAD’s really upped his game lately.
How was everyone’s weekends? I played Rune Factory and Hot Shots Golf all day yesterday and got a headache.
-Arvis
July 20th, 2009
Pretty good actually, finally ended my No-Merch-Run at RE4. With limited EVERTHING, Sadler feels somewhat like a Final boss at last.
July 20th, 2009
‘Sorry but I was the first one to ever bring that up way before Happy ever came to Blorge.’
Oh, then stop being a bullshitter yourself. Or bring some solid numbers!
On a side note, my buddies 360 just died for like the 6-7th time. Which is freaking amazing.. If you’re in the Wolverhampton area, never EVER buy a 360 because they must send all the shitty stock over there.
I’m still waiting on his reply as to whether it was an rrod/e74 or something else. I’m also checking to see if he has it in an enclosure where it can build up heat or something.
But, before you accuse me of flaming
I have to say, my 360 is fine and has only ever shut itself down once – but it turned back on fine. My PS3 on the other hand won’t turn itself on using the PS button! And its fucking annoying because I’m lazy. Typical bullshit email support from sony too, go thru all the troubleshooting with em and they just tell you to call support… *sigh*
July 20th, 2009
SW, everyone knows Wolverhampton is a like a black hole in the UK, does anything not sh*tty ever happening there?
July 20th, 2009
July 20th, 2009
the ps3 does not have the parental controls of the 360. simple as that.
it has nothing to do with an account password, roca. xbl has a separate password for that…..
July 20th, 2009
Microsoft is beyond clueless i cannot wait for Google, Apple & Sony to buried them. The PS3 has that junk already in a different geeky stupid way. You can bloc any game/movie on PS3 with a password.
PS2 150 Million sold and going to sell way more. It makes me so happy to own 6. PS2 is really the undefeated king of consoles sold worldwide kudos to SCEA.
President Barack Hussein Obama II needs to get some gaming knowledge fast we rule the world.
July 20th, 2009
So you decided to change your name back Ivan/Roca?
Let’s not forget about Mike who started this flame war with his bullshit.
I’d like to pick up on CADs point about why sony haven’t came out and desputed microsofts statement.
July 20th, 2009
CON/Happy
Sony does comments on stupid statements from M$
M$ messed up Sony is not going to bail them out
simple as that.
July 20th, 2009
Kev/CON/Happy
“it has nothing to do with an account password, roca. xbl has a separate password for that…..”
there is System Account Password and a Playstation Network account password.
and there is Parental control for games/movies/etc
there is not timer though.
July 20th, 2009
“M$ messed up Sony is not going to bail them out
simple as that.”
How the fuck would sony be bailing them out by desputing that?? LMFAO
I love the fact that you and ivan posted with 5 minutes of each other!!!
July 20th, 2009
w.e CONdom
July 20th, 2009
New Hitman game confirmed for late 2010!!!!!!
It’s been too long!!!
July 20th, 2009
YAY!
I agree, it has been way wayyyyyy too long.
July 20th, 2009
“Knighthawk said: “Na, he just does not care how many each console sells, he just likes the games like me.”
Thanks KH. At least someone takes notice of what they read.”
@Spidey
No problem.
“Yeah Roca, sure, sure.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to rationalise how come Xbox is beating all 7 shades out of PS3 right now, eh?”
@ Happy
Really the PS3 comes in 7 different shades? Awesome, I’m going to buy all 7 of them!
July 20th, 2009
CON:
No one has be using Ivan_PSP not that i know so i don’t know WTF you smoking. I’m original.
Reason i was not posting because is just the same idiots talking with same people about the same shit favoritism crap.
I came back once i get my new Killzone 2 map pack and all the trophies for those maps i’m back to not posting or playing games.
July 20th, 2009
Once again CAD latches onto one aspect of the article instead of reading the whole thing, and a fucking flame war has erupted.
CAD if you can’t offer anything constructive fuxk off and let the adults play.
Credits to you Mike cause you did say that the XBox was unfairly targeted, and you are right.
Fucking fanboys.
July 20th, 2009
Hey Ivan,
Remember the time you logged in as ‘Fallen angel’ and said something, and then logged in as ‘Ivan_PSP’ and typed that you agreed with Fallen Angel? That was a funny day. I see you’re doing the same thing with your roca persona.
July 20th, 2009
harry sachz:
Think what ever you want, the only name i have ever use anywhere is my trademark name Ivan_PSP. You are free to believe what ever you want. I have no need or desire to try to be someone else.
July 20th, 2009
So you’re saying that you were never ‘fallen angel’? Ivan, lies make baby Jesus cry.
July 20th, 2009
You trademarked Ivan_PSP?
July 21st, 2009
“I don’t give a shit about game sales, I don’t give a shit about console sales or who is coming first third or last. I have never offered any excuses about games sales for ps3, nor will I in the future …… because I have a ZERO carefactor.”
Spidey, this is great. This means we will hear zero from you or Knighthawk, or even Mike about PS3, PSP, or PS2 sales in the future, whether the PS3 surpasses 360 or not.
Regardless, I think you might care a little bit if PS3 sales took a nosedive to the point where the consoles lifetime was cut short (not saying this will happen). I’m going to take a guess and say the reason you say you do not care right now is because good games are still coming out, and Sony can still afford to pump them out (apparently).
However, if this ever changed for the worse (which it probably won’t), you might just care a little bit. So in other words, PS3 sales are well enough now that you do not have to care.
“again let me reiterate – how does sales effect you in any way?
Think about that carefully before you start spouting some nonsense about wanting the other system to fail because your too poor to afford it all (don’t kid yourself)”
Wow, Mike, true colors brother, I know you own a Lincoln Navigator decked out with a GPS, have all five present gen systems, and can afford to go to Otakon and pay $70+ dollars on a demo, but do you really think people don’t pay $400 ($600 in the past) for a PS3 just because “they are too poor”?
“Don’t kid yourself” as what Harry said above is spot on and speaks accurately for pretty much all of us here who do not yet own a PS3:
“I don’t want the other console to fail, monopolies suck donkey balls. I can afford to buy the other console however what I cannot do is justify outlaying hundreds of dollars to play a handful of games that I can’t get on one machine.”
Kudos Harry for the excellent and very true response here.
Mike, your comment was made here which means you were speaking to somebody, so why not just name them?
“I was making a snide remark that the fanboys who are wanting the other system to fail are the ones that just can’t afford them”
Nobody here wants a console to fail, not even Ivan (even he owns a 360 and has had a PS3 hardware failure)… maybe kev, but I’m pretty sure even he could afford it.
In any case, to answer your question, sales affect us in that if there are not enough, there is a good possibility support that may have been given in the future is pulled. It has happened with past consoles, to the point where some console manufacturers became game devs/publishers instead. Not saying this will happen with Sony, but still this is how it affects us, or can affect us.
Beyond this, great games that do not sell particularly well also affect us as gamers in that similar potentially great titles may not get the green light in the future, especially in a recession.
Beyond that, if the market is saturated to the point where it crashes, sales fall, etc. we are also affected as gamers (as has happened in the past).
Furthermore sales affect us in that if they are poor on one console, they are published by a third party, and that third party believes there may be a significant market on another console (as is the case with PSP and Chinatown Wars, or perhaps even FFXIV on 360 in the future, etc.), there is a good chance gamers like myself and harry who do not own all the consoles can experience even more quality titles than we already are.
I’m sure I can think of more ways sales affect us as gamers but I think you get the point.
July 21st, 2009
@SW
If you have the 40/80gb Software BC version (same as MGS4 bundle w/ 4xUSB and card reader) then you have the one model that has been known to have a weak Blue tooth reciever. Mine was REALLY bad, being disconnected every 20mins or so, requiring a restart to reconnect the controller (unless plugged in, and I have an 8ft cord that I have utilized ever since this started happening).
The culprit in my case, was my cordless phone. It apparently was operating on a similar freq as BT, and would confuse the BT receiver. My wife refuses to game with a cord, and since we moved the phone base to another room, we have had very little problems, though if the PS3 has been shut off for more than a few hours, it is a 50/50 chance I have to manually turn it on.
July 21st, 2009
@ Jofa,
Interesting. Cordless phones normally transmit at 2.4 ghz or 5.8ghz. Bluetooth operates at 2.4 ghz. I dare say your cordless phone is running at 2.4 also.
If you are in the market to upgrade your cordless phone anytime soon, look for a 5.8ghz model, that way it won’t interfere at all. I had a similar issue with a video sender, I had a 2.4ghz model and had a lot of interference, exchanged for a 5.8 and it was clear as a bell.
@ CharlieB,
Thanks. Only a deluded idiot would want to see the other main competitor fail.
July 21st, 2009
@ phranctoast,
“ust like we’ll never know how many ps3’s were bought for gaming, we’ll also never know how many people re-purchased a 360 rather than going 6 weeks without a console during the oh so frequent rrod fiasco. Lets call it a moot point.”
6 weeks? From all accounts, I’ve only heard it to be about a week’s turnaround. Where did you get that data from?
July 21st, 2009
I should also mention that my last apartment was far worse, lots of old people with cordless phones and no cells. New apt is a younger party palace, and just moving my phone fixed a lot of the issues. In this apt I never have controller drop outs (my wifes experience, I just use the cord now)
But indeed, I will be picking up a 5.8, perhaps I can eliminate the need to manually start the PS3 50% of the time.
July 21st, 2009
^
Really, never knew that phones or such could screw around with the controllers. Could explain why I have also had so many drop outs with my controller. Also notice that if I turn off the power from the switch in the back of the PS3 I always have to manually boot the system and sync the controller again. Very annoying!
July 21st, 2009
Cordless phones are only the beginning. Microwaves, laptop computers, routers also cause interference.
The stupid thing about this is that there is some silly law here in Aus (not sure about the rest of the world) that makes it illegal to transmit wireless signals outside the 2.4ghz range. Cordless phones get around that somehow, I think it’s because it’s used for receiving signals, not sending them. So basically my video sender is illegal, which is stupid.
July 21st, 2009
@ KH,
Both the 360 and PS3 controllers are in the same boat in terms of interference unfortunately.
July 21st, 2009
Not sure where this 6 week replacement time has came from or the 1 week for that matter. My consoles were replaced first time within 4 weeks, second time (an elite by the way) within 3 weeks so I take my hat off to anyone hardcore enough to go out and buy another console in that time
July 21st, 2009
CON,
CAD said that he got his back in a week.
July 21st, 2009
“Personally I could easily afford all 3 consoles but I just don’t see the point of attracting the ear-ache from my Mrs if I did (ear-ache which I would have to agree was justified).”
@Happy H
Thanks for clearing that up for all of us Happy. You don’t have a PS3 because you are wipped! lol, just kidding, I have to buy all my game stuff cash and then blend it in with the old stuff. Girlfriend hates when I spend money on gaming.
July 21st, 2009
CarlB said: “Spidey, this is great. This means we will hear zero from you or Knighthawk, or even Mike about PS3, PSP, or PS2 sales in the future, whether the PS3 surpasses 360 or not.”
Have I ever said anything about game sales CarlB?
No I haven’t, so you can quit the patronising tone. Your directing it at the wrong person buddy.
July 21st, 2009
spidey – yes…you have hyped ps3 sales in the past. the few months it surpassed the 360 in NA was “momentum” and how MGS4 and KZ2 were “console sellers”….
i just find it hilarious how you try to forget your insane predictions once they’ve been proven inaccurate….
it’s funny you guys had no problem with sony “monopolizing” gaming when sony had the vast majority of the market last gen…. but now its somehow not a good idea now that it’s an American company….
the less consoles on the market the better; why? simple…this way developers don’t have to waste millions making a game for a console (the ps3) that hardly anyone is playing.
they can use that money more wisely..
July 21st, 2009
kev. the straw man king.
@harry. I heard 6 weeks before. It could have been early on. I’m sure they have it down by now. I hear MS is opening their own chain of stores also (like apple stores). That should make the turnaround even quicker as you could just drop it off.
July 21st, 2009
There is no such thing as games being Console Sellers, never recall a games selling console like crazy (at least no in the US, Japanese games sales console with their crazy games, Europe for PES, or FIFA)
GTA4 didnt sell any console, nor did Gears of War, or HALO 3, nor DID KIllzone 2 or any other games.
the only game i recall moving a few console was MGS4. so Kev stop making stupid arguments.
July 21st, 2009
All the games mentioned increased console sales. Just not enough to make any serious impact, becuase truth be told, no one game is a console seller. A library and PRICE are the true console sellers.
Thats why the 360 is doing well right now. They have a nice library and they hit the sweet spot on price with the $200 console. I really surprised they aren’t doing better. They are at the price point where they should have wii like sales, but they aren’t outselling the ps3 (which is twice the pric) worldwide.
July 21st, 2009
*but they are hardly outselling*
July 21st, 2009
Knighthawk:
“Thanks for clearing that up for all of us Happy. You don’t have a PS3 because you are wipped! lol”
True, but it’s such good wiping!
(don’t go in for the whipping so much tho…..only when I’m a really really really bad boy.
)
July 21st, 2009
I bought my girl and DS and a PSP…. she loves God of War: Chains of Olympus. she just beat it the other Day, now she wants to play more games like it. but since there isnt another game like God of War now shes going through GoW 1 & 2
July 21st, 2009
Harry I also know people that got it back in 3 days.
July 21st, 2009
roca – “There is no such thing as games being Console Sellers”
congrats. you just negated all your ps3 fanboys belief that ps3 exclusives will sell ps3…..
oh…and if you checked your facts, you’d see there was significant upswing in 360 sales after GeOW and H3 released….
oh..and if you don’t think the original halo was a console seller, you’re more ignorant than i thought….
phranc – is that all you got? terrible (but not suprising) rebuttal….lol…
July 21st, 2009
phrance – it’s funny how you claim the ps3 is selling as well as the 360, but have NEVER provided any reliable data to support this…meanwhile, the 360 continues to outsell the ps3 in the largest markets by a very wide margin….
July 21st, 2009
Even if it only takes a week. I have heard many people including Vitor Lucas that had went through 5 and 6 xboxes.
July 21st, 2009
Thats Victor from the Reviews on the Run show.
July 21st, 2009
ncaissie – oh yes…the “what i heard” defense…. no substance, no facts, no proof…..
*sigh*
July 21st, 2009
Kev :
“the 360 continues to outsell the ps3 in the largest markets by a very wide margin….”
very wide margin…….uhmmm do you even know whats a wide margin kev.
“congrats. you just negated all your ps3 fanboys belief that ps3 exclusives will sell ps3…..”
Exclusivesssss will sell consoles. but a Single exclusive will move a few console, but not as many as to say its a console seller.
Cad:
“Harry I also know people that got it back in 3 days.”
he must live right next door from M$ HQ
July 21st, 2009
roca – so now there IS such thing as console sellers in exclusives?
it’s funny wathcing you talk yourself in circles..
btw; the repair facility is in McAllen, TX…not MS HQ….noob….lmao…
July 21st, 2009
He could bring all the proof in the world to you and it wouldn’t make an ounce of difference.
@ncassie – I too have a buddy with 5-6 time repair. All for RRoD except the last one (which i mentioned on another thread), in which I think he actually broke the HDMI connector himself…
July 21st, 2009
“btw; the repair facility is in McAllen, TX…not MS HQ….noob….lmao…”
congrats….u really must know where it is, how many times have u sent ur crapbox to that same address? (dont answer plz)
“so now there IS such thing as console sellers in exclusives? ”
i dont think you can comprehend and simple sentence. I never said anything about “console seller games” i said exclusivess (mean the whole library of exclusives) will sell consoles.
July 21st, 2009
Actually kev. It was more of a rebuttal to Roca, but you could beleive what you want.
I never negated anything other than your own delusions.
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ExclusiveS not a single exclusive will help sell consoles. Do I need to repeat the word library to you.(well i guess i did
You will gain a short console increase from a game, but never enough to say “console seller” is the capacity you seem to be getting at. (ex. once MGS4 and KZ2 came out, the ps3 would sell 7 million units to make up the difference) you must realize how stupid you sound when you say shit like that.
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anyway….I was pretty complimentary towards the 360, and told it how it is. I could understand that affecting you negatively as you always need comfrontation to be happy
I also didnt say the ps3 was selling as well. I said it was hardly outselling. PS3 sells about 50k in Japan in comparison to the 7k the 360 sees. We don’t see the numbers from anywhere else so I guess its difficult to rebut (for you SW). I never had to provide true numbers and noone argues otherwise because they don’t know either.
July 21st, 2009
Stop digging Ivan lol
July 21st, 2009
“Have I ever said anything about game sales CarlB?”
Actually yes, Spidey. You said, “I don’t give a shit about game sales, I don’t give a shit about console sales or who is coming first third or last… I have a ZERO carefactor”
To which I just made the logical conclusion that we shouldn’t hear a peep from you in the future about game or console sales. No patronization, just a logical expectation that if you have “ZERO carefactor” for game or console sales then we won’t hear from you on anything about the subject in the future, regardless of what happens with sales.
July 21st, 2009
huraaaahh!! private
July 21st, 2009
Oh my goodness were back on the RROD and replacement 5-6 times. Who are these people and what are they doing to their 360’s. I can almost say that those people must not be storing the 360 properly. Non-the-less I will go back to my statement that I’ve repeated over and over and over. It still takes longer for the PS3 to develope a game then it takes the 360 to be repaired. That is worse then any RROD situation because millions of 360’s have been repaired and yet no Gods of War 3 or Gran Tursimo 5.
July 21st, 2009
Yeah God of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5…….the system sellers lol
July 21st, 2009
Nope, talked to my buddy, not stored in an enclosure or any enviroment that can build up heat.
Like I said, THIS time it looks like he broke the thing himself as he shares his HDMI cable with his PS3. I suspect it just died from ‘over use’.
‘It still takes longer for the PS3 to develope a game then it takes the 360 to be repaired. ‘
^^ Most ridiculous statement ever.
Why don’t we add up all the lost ‘play hours’ from ALL the 360’s that have gone in for RRoD (as if that no. will ever be made public) and see if it tallies upto a few years?
See, I can say crazy things too.
July 21st, 2009
I still haven’t experienced any sort of issue with my launch 360, and I use that thing like a motherfucker too. If i’m not playing games on it, I am streaming movies to it etc. I don’t think there has been a day that has not had minimum 2 hours usage, there’s normally about 4-5 hours a day usage.
July 21st, 2009
Once you understand chipset production, and the measurable as well as the immeasurable variances within, one can easily draw false conclusions from average figures.
Just because X % of launch 360s break, doesn’t mean that there aren’t perfectly reliable launch 360s out there. Take the AMD TWKR quad core that was recently given out to tech news outlets for overclocking. It is not a fancy high tech advancement on CPU tech: it is a collection of chips with known flaws that, in the right circumstances (extreme LN2 or LH cooled OC) can outperform the retail version of the chip. Sure it would die within a few days/months of standard DT duty, but the volt leakage makes it ideal for overclocking. That voltage leakage is a manufacturing flaw, that otherwise would cause the chip to be thrown in the garbage.
Just a small example of the variances that occur in manufacturing. Just because a substantial amount of launch 360s failed (and MS knew about it pre-launch, but was rushing to beat the ps3 to the market), doesn’t mean that there are no reliable ones.
Just as someone may have heard about someone else going through 10 360s in 3 years, having a launch 360 that hasn’t gone tits up is just as reliable of information. Only aggregate statistics (like the ones that forced MS into the extended warranty) tell the real story, not singular anecdotal experiences.
July 22nd, 2009
Once you = Until you
July 22nd, 2009
zzzzzzzzzzzz
July 22nd, 2009
JofaMang:
The only one i think is reliable is the new model that they are selling right now, which i got one already from Target. The other are a pure horrific nightmare a waste of money. I just wish the system had better games. Multiplaform don’t count.
July 22nd, 2009
“Multiplaform don’t count.”
I agree, if you already own the other system. As it stands now, the 360 still has almost three times as many favorably rated exclusives as PS3:
blorge.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=95
MS just doesn’t have the benefit of another gen, a vast back library, a last gen console still selling well, tons of in house dev studios, and a handheld to lean on.
In any case, if you already own a PSP, PS2, and 360 (like myself), there just isn’t much incentive to spend $400+ on a PS3 (yet), as the multiplatform titles you can already play on the system(s) you own (PS3/360) make up the majority of either console’s present gen library.
July 22nd, 2009
“I agree, if you already own the other system. As it stands now, the 360 still has almost three times as many favorably rated exclusives as PS3″
You must be talking games that were good back then but today nobody buys them, because they are crap compare to whats out today.
Example:
-Rainbow Six Vegas
-Ghost Recon Advance Warfare
-Dead or Alive 4
-Fatal Inertia
-PGR series.
and all the really “favorable” games from the 360 are already out on the PS3 (Oblivion and Bioshock to name a few)
July 22nd, 2009
The numbers are infalted due to the extra year. Some of those exclsuves were on the ps2.
The real truth behind it Roca, is you’re not going to find all those other games (other than online or used) for the 360 that are so favorably rated as they are old as white shit now. Carb showed the numbers of 360 exclusives drop and drop year after year after the ps3 came out to the point where the ps3 has more annual exlusive games that are favorably rated. It’s in an old post somewhere.
oh..and btw, all those games except fatal inertia were pretty good.
July 22nd, 2009
The problem with the ‘PS3 is catching up when you count the year it’s missing’ tale is that it’s now that PS3 is trailing so badly and it’s now that the Xbox sales are going well.
The gap is growing again, not shrinking.
July 22nd, 2009
@Happy.
I think you misinterpreted me.
either that, are you were responding to some other post.
July 22nd, 2009
phranctoast:
“oh..and btw, all those games except fatal inertia were pretty good.”
^^^they key word there is “WERE”
July 22nd, 2009
roca – the “whole library of exclusives..”….. exclusive, what? yep…GAMES….
but according to you, games don’t sell consoles… yet exclusive “games” do?
uh….remind us again how many exclusives the ps3 has and then explain why it’s trailing the competition in sales….. oh..and don’t say price…. Mike Ferro already pointed out the ps3 is the same price as the 360….fuzzy math, i know, but it’s his math…not mine….
July 22nd, 2009
phranc – why do you guys spout off about the year head start when sony and you fanboys swore a year head start would mean nothing in face of the powerhouse known as Sony?
also, why do you fail to mention that Sony had a userbase 10 times the size of MS’ to capitalize on when 360 released? it was considered so important sony themselves said their customerbase would help them crush the compeition this gen….
finally; why is it so hard for you ps3 fanboys to admit Sony blew it this gen?
July 22nd, 2009
A year head start is brought up because the 360 was leading by 10 million units and now its up by 7.
It was brought up in this story but sadly misinterpreted by you and happy. The head start here was to show the simple fact that …of course the 360 has more higher rated games, as it has more games, as its been out longer. A lot of those exclusives were on the ps2.
Sony was stupid thinking price wouldn’t factor in.
A lot of the sales for the ps2 occurred when it reached that sub $200 price.
I asked this question to happy and got no response.
What do you hope to achieve? The PS3 will not fail and go the way of the dreamcast. Developers aren’t dropping support as every month that passes sells more and more consoles. in fact the opposite seems to be happening. When is the next Tecmo game coming out for the 360.
If by the end of the generation the sales of the 360 are higher than the PS3, do you know how much I’ll care? I won’t…….. it’s petty and means little in the whole scheme of things.
July 22nd, 2009
“why is it so hard for you ps3 fanboys to admit Sony blew it this gen?”
Probably for the same reason it’s so hard for you to admit Microsoft’s epic screw ups.
And anyways, besides mutilating sales potential by sticking the PS3 with an exorbitant price, what exactly did Sony “blow?” Reliable system, great online network, laundry list of incredible games. What the heck else do you want from a game’s console? A Microsoft logo? Is that what the PS3 is missing for you, kev?
-Arvis
July 22nd, 2009
phranctoast
Did I miss a question?
Is it this – “What do you hope to achieve?”
I think I’ve answered this before.
My answer is ‘nothing’.
I do not expect my meanderings on this board or any other to add up to a hill of beans, it’s a message board for our views and opinions.
Nothing more (and you know what they say about opinions).
You’ll never see me making stupid claims about ‘trying to influence people’
(as someone here once accused me of……talk about a clear case of projection & a total give-away).
July 22nd, 2009
Arvis
Personally I have no problem admitting any of those “screw ups”.
Xbox has had it’s problems (as I have acknowledged many times previously) but, the fact is that they have stood by the unit and not only fixed the hardware (or, if that’s too much for you to accept then at least we can agree on ’substantially reduced the incidence of hardware failure’) and instituted a 3 year warranty.
Had they done nothing or tried to get out of their responsibilities then I’d be 1st in the line giving them a kicking for it (and I would not have bought my Elite – outstanding price or no).
But they did.
Good enough for me.
July 22nd, 2009
So I have to say, 144 posts on a thread about parental controls… I dunno, just seems kind of odd to me…
July 22nd, 2009
“or, if that’s too much for you to accept then at least we can agree on ’substantially reduced the incidence of hardware failure’”
*laughs* Yes, we can agree on that.
But if that’s truly your stand, why do you have such a problem with the PS3? Microsoft may have done well at what Sony failed at (price, accessibility) but Sony did equally as well at what Microsoft failed at (reliability, standards). I mean, the game library for both consoles is comparable, the online networks are comparable, the graphics output is comparable… Why love one and hate the other? Does the price bother you THAT much?
-Arvis
July 22nd, 2009
Arvis:
The PlayStation 3 has way more exclusives and whole lot better games a lot. and the PS3 has lag free online service. Also Xbox 360 has no reliability what so ever. Plus PS3 has 1080p on all PS3 models and sells 1080p movies plus we got Blu-ray Disc. PS3 is the only true next gen console. The price of the PS3 is great just $400 the only people that complaint are the Xbots cry babies jealously.
July 22nd, 2009
What have I got against the PS3?
Primarily the ridiculous cost (which has been ludicrously high since launch almost 3yrs ago).
A close second would be the use of the PS3 to force through a video format which is a major anti-consumer development and a further ratcheting up of the idiotic so-called ’security’ we don’t need and which does nothing but hurt the paying customer (Blu-ray brings several new and unique ’security’ features).
They sure as hell doesn’t stop the pirates – and by pirate I mean the commercial bulk copying guys who sell fake/copied discs.
Sony’s connection is another major problem for me.
Their root-kit business (something that would have gotten a private individula jailed for trying to pull that sh*t) gives me no confidence – particularly given the EULA and BD+ involved with Blu-rays.
……and a sad f*ckwit like Ivan just seals the deal.
As I have said before if you enjoy your PS3 then great, I have friends and relatives that do similarly.
It’s just not for me.
I don’t need or want the Blu-ray player and between my PC. HTPC and my Xbox there’s really almost nothing it offers me that I’m currently missing.
July 22nd, 2009
Taking the pi$$ out of the PR-spewing PS3 fanboys is amusing if too easy sometimes tho.
July 22nd, 2009
Happy,
I suppose if I were as “hooked up” as you are electronically, then the PS3s extra features wouldn’t necessarily have appealed to me, either. But since the PS3 is the 2nd most expensive thing I personally own, then… well, you can imagine how many other electronic devices I own!
So, yeah, the extra features (even Bluray!) were a major selling point for me, as well as it’s reliability and franchise titles (Final Fantasy being the primary franchise I had in mind when I bought the system).
-Arvis
July 22nd, 2009
I can understand that Arvis and for a lot of people it makes a lot of sense.
I thought long and hard about a PS3 primarily as a Blu-ray player myself (but jumped for a dual format player as I, wrongly as it turned out, expected HD DVD & Blu-ray to co-exist for a couple of years).
Still in terms of bang for buck ‘purple’ was the way to go as HD DVD prices fell through the floor.
I think the thing about devices is that if you keep up the interest (and don’t let your kids, assuming you have them, side-track your own pursuits too much) as you get older they kind of become easier to accumulate
(I tend to hang on to a lot of my old kit as I keep it in pretty good order).
You’ll be similar one day, I’m sure.
What I would be interested in is a ‘God machine’ (able to play anything), unfortunately the closest I can get to that is my HTPC (and right now I’m not putting a BD drive in it cos prices of burners and blank media is just silly.
…..but maybe by this time next year that will change. I don’t know, Blu-ray is taking a very long time taking off.
We just saw Intel do a big price drop on SSDs and if flash really does start to deliver the size & speeds they are promising in the next 2 yrs (2tb & 300Mbps) then we really may see Blu-ray skip PC use which will surely crimp it’s potential life-span further?
July 22nd, 2009
I’m the willing to take the cost and the redundant functionality(/games) as reasons not to buy one(PS3)
Business is business, those are silly reasons not to buy a piece of equipment. MS is hardly an angel either.
And yes, blu ray blank prices are nuts, but thats probably because no one is buying them. I wouldn’t personally trust 1 disc with over 25 gigs of my precious data (pr0n).
July 22nd, 2009
Fuckwit indeed………
Common guys there’s gotta be at least a few of you ps3 fans that just cringe when Ivan speaks on your behalf.
July 22nd, 2009
Oh yeah Ivan since you claim to have an xbox even thought it’s a crap piece of shit and all that. What’s your LIVE id???
July 23rd, 2009
if ur only complaint is the prince..
well then if u cant afford it then SHUT THE FUCK UP and Move on.
stick with M$ all you want nobody is forcing no one to get a PS3 (good/better things cost more)
July 23rd, 2009
CON:
Gamertag: Ivan PSP i don’t really use much. And yes is a fact Xbox is a piece of crap like you said.
Happyhockum:
Your PS3 complaints are so lame wow Sony is not forcing you to drool. or buy a PS3. Next time get better claims. The one you are making are because you love Xbox more.
July 23rd, 2009
@ Chris,
“But since the PS3 is the 2nd most expensive thing I personally own, “…. is the Ultra Vibe Pleasure 3000 more expensive than the PS3? haha
July 23rd, 2009
harry sachz:
Jealously is hurting you harry big time.
At least the PS3 is worth every penny unlike Xbox 360 is not even worth looking at a piece trash.
July 23rd, 2009
So why do you keep buying them then Ivan? You said you recently bought one from target and you’ve claimed to owning ones long before that.
You’re talking shit as usual. What’s your LIVE ID again???
July 23rd, 2009
Ivan/Roca
Your reading skills must be laughably poor.
I did not say that price (prince?) was my sole reason for avoiding the PS3.
Just wtf is there to be ‘jealous’ of anyways?
You tell me what I’m missing, I’m all easr.
There are literally only a couple of PS3 exclusive games that look interesting to me, everything else is already covered by my PC, HTPC, Xbox & Blu-ray stand-alone.
So, tell me, what am I missing out on, other than wasting some cash?
July 23rd, 2009
arvis – the fact you hate MS for releasing defective hardware (ignoring the fact they immediately replaced hardware at their expense) while you forgive sony’s ps2’s shoddy hardware (in which they were forced by the courts to honor their warranties) reeks of fanboyism…
no tech is perfect. including the ps3. ps3’s fail and many have been returned for replacements, yet you simply ignore this.
what did they blow? easy…their 150 million loyal customer base…. they blew a lot of money for a lot of developers who will never see a dime on their 10 million dollar investment in game development. They blew Kuturagi’s and Harrison’s career. They blew the careers of the employees working for SCEA who no longer have jobs due to the poor performance of the ps3. They blew the good relationship with Activision, which as one of the world’s largest publishers is not something they can afford.
and why? all because of their world dominating plans of “teh cell” and “bloooray”….
they blew their committment to gamers. that, my friend, is inexcusable.
but go ahead and feel free to hold MS over the fire for the same thing sony did….. only worse…. you fanboys never make sense, so why start now…. right?
July 23rd, 2009
Ivan.
What exactly am I jealous of?
I can’t say that I missed you while you were gone, but everyone knows that you never left.
July 23rd, 2009
And leave Prince out of this. That guy can play some ball.
“Game……blouses”
July 23rd, 2009
arvis – only ps3 fanboys think PSN is comparable with xbox live…..
the game library of the ps3 is not comparable to the 360’s. the 360 has way more games. sorry, i know you hate the truth….
July 23rd, 2009
PSN is comparable with LIVE Kev.
PSN has things Live dont have and live have things PSN dont have. but they are pretty comparable.
Happy:
“You tell me what I’m missing, I’m all easr.”
Well you asked for it so here is what you have missed and what u will be missing:
-Final Fantasy 7 (PSN)
-Metal Gear Solid (PSN)
-Uncharted
-Killzone 2
-Metal Gear Solid 4
-LittleBigPlanet
-Motorstorm
-Ninja Gaiden Sigma
-Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
-Infamous
-Quantum
-Demon’s Soul
-Wipeout HD
-MAG
-Uncharted 2
-God of War 3
-Ratchet and Clan series
-Gran Turismo 5
-L.A. Noire
-Agent
-Final Fantasy Versus XII
-Kingdom Hearts III
-Final Fantasy XIV
-The Agency (MMO)
-DC Univerese (MMO)
-Free Realms (MMO)
-MLB The Show
-Heavy Rain
-Persona 4
-Katamari
now lets get technical:
-Wi-fi
-Blu-ray Gaming
-Blu-ray Moves
-upgradable HDD
-Free PSN
-Optical output
-Scratch proctected gaming Discs (bluray)
-Relaiablility
-Future proof
-More secure (360 is getting Moded to hell)
well i guess u wont be missing that much.
July 23rd, 2009
are you still ears HAPPY? next time dont ask if you know ur going to get burned!
July 23rd, 2009
Roca
You bored us all to death with a bunch of (mostly) mediocre games.
And you call that “burned”?
PMSL.
Wake up list boy.
July 23rd, 2009
BTW
- I have wi-fi, thanks.
- I have zero interest in “Blu-ray gaming”
(it’s only a means of delivery ffs, digital delivery will open the envelope much further in time – if it ever truly becomes necessary.)
- I have a far superior Blu-ray player (multi-region for Blu-ray & DVD and it plays HD DVDs).
- I have a 120gb HDD with a bigger one due very soon, and I already use a 500gb external drive thanks……and I can link wireless to 2.25tbs on my 2 PCs, thanks.
- XBL costs me pennies a day so I do not care about the charge (but no doubt at some point you’ll be trying to tell us we’re just cheap for “not affording a PS3″, consistent?
I think not.
- Optical output!?
I use HDMI thanks.
I have no need for an optical output (but if I did choose to use that aging & limited audio connection my Elite had the cable included for it, thanks.
- Scratch resistant coating?
Hilarious.
That isn’t a plus, it there because Blu-ray has to have it.
It’s because the data sits so close to the surface on a Blu-ray disc.
One scratch (that makes it through that coating – and yes, it can happen) and your disc is dead.
Meanwhile I’ve only ever had one DVD scratched so it was unusable.
I was able to polish it out those and I can still use it now, thanks.
- Reliability.
My Xbox has not so much as made an unscheduled restart, thanks.
Future Proof.
You must be about 5 to believe in such BS.
Wake up. There’s no such thing.
More secure.
Yeah, like I could give a flying f*ck about that…..and equally as if it makes the slightest difference to anyone as Xbox sales climb.
You offered nothing there at all.
Just more of youyr usual half-a$$ed idiotic fanboy raving.
(seriously, you don’t know the subject half as well as you think you do, so why bother?)
July 23rd, 2009
lol i laugh at how stupid you are you obviosly contradicted your self. Ima brake it down for you so you can see how stupid you are
example:
HAPPY “tell me what am I missing” (in ur head ur not missing anything)
a post later u said that you have:
- Wi fi
-a Bluray player
-a 120 gb HDD
-a 500gb external HDD
-have XBL (pennies a day)
**which mean you were obviosly missing those feature because if you would have had a PS3 you would NOT need to spend money on:
-a Online account
-Bluray player with OBSOLETE HD DvD player
-120GB 360 HDD for $150
-Useless external HDD as you can get a 500GB internal HDD for the PS3
so by ADMITING you got all those things, is basically saying you got ur 360 but ur were MISSING ALL those things so you have to buy them separate. how much did you spend on all those things plus ur 360. haha! it hard to deal retards that dont comprehend comon sense and when they try to make a point they contradict them selves.
July 23rd, 2009
some other facts that prove ur stupidity:
Happy “- Optical output!?
I use HDMI thanks”
–do you know what you can do with the optical cable? or do you know what its for? HDMI is going from ur console to ur tv right? well you have xtra speakers or separate surround sound HDMI is not going to do the trick.
Happy “- I have zero interest in “Blu-ray gaming”
(it’s only a means of delivery ffs, digital delivery will open the envelope much further in time – if it ever truly becomes necessary.)”
–well Digital Delivery hasnt happen yet, has it?
HAPPY
“- Scratch resistant coating?
Hilarious.
That isn’t a plus, it there because Blu-ray has to have it.
It’s because the data sits so close to the surface on a Blu-ray disc.”
–you obviosly dont know what ur talking about, im not even going to get into it.
and i didnt see the list of xbox games to courteract the PS3 one. ha!
July 23rd, 2009
Pathetic Roca
HD DVD as a disc format may well be obsolete but the movies formats are identical.
If I choose I can choose to rip then and burn them to Blu-ray.
It’s the same movie for pennies.
I actually bought my Elite brand new for £135 ($223 US / $272 AUS)
What’s “useless” about my 500gb external drive?
I bought my 1st PC ages ago and updated to the one I now have most recently about 1.5yrs ago.
Then I bought my HTPC.
Then I chose a dual format high definition player.
A games console was last on my priority list.
You’ve got to be seriously f*cked up to imagine that a launch or near-launch PS3 came even close to matching any of that lot.
(and you have the nerve to throw terms like “retard” around. FFS)
Your ignorance regarding HDMI is as expected as it is laughable.
I connect my HDMI into my HD receiver and that then outputs to my HD TV.
I have 7.1 surround sound, thanks.
Like I said, you just don’t know the subject well enough to go spouting off your ignorant little rants.
Digital delivery is on the way.
Timing is all it is.
Then you’ll end up clutching a dying format with an in-built limitation as if it was a virtue.
Love the way you had to run away from the point about coatings btw.
(and as I said your tedious lists are of interest only to you and your alter-ego Ivan, no-one else bothers with that laughable shrill preaching)
Boy oh boy did you really fail badly this time out.
Better luck next time.
July 23rd, 2009
“HDMI is going from ur console to ur tv right? well you have xtra speakers or separate surround sound HDMI is not going to do the trick.”
Ha ha ha ha ha
This, ladies and gentlemen, is precisely the level of crass ignorance we are dealing with.
July 23rd, 2009
too bad bluray games is the only one capable of 7.1 sound.
Digital is on the way…but is not here yet is it?
useless external HDD because you can only store ur gaming content there but cannot play them from there. ha!
$223 xbox, $100 wifi, plus 500GB external HDD, plus bluray player, plus 50 XLB add that up.
and if you so into DD content ur Bluray Player does not do DD, as the PS3 does. again contradicting ur self
you sure were missing a lot of shit.
July 23rd, 2009
Roca
You think I built my audio visual set-up around a game console?!
Ha!
Funny.
You see I have an HD receiver than can either play the audio output from the Xbox as either its ‘natural’ 5.1 or matrix it to 7.1.
Just like its excellent Reon chipset scales everything to 1080p.
I’m miossing nothing…..you on the otherhand obviously do not have an HD receiver so you’re not even getting the latest audiop stuff you want to make such a deal over.
This isn’t Top Trumphs you know.
More than a few of us aren’t reading specs off a sheet and saying ‘beat that’.
This is a/v kit I own and know about.
Unlike yourself.
Sorry if that sounds harsh but there’s just no other way of putting it.
The hard drive?
So what?
Your PS3 doesn’t play games off of the hard drive either.
I know the PS3 does save and play chunks of games from its HDD (up to 5gbs with a few games IIRC).
In fact by not playing games from the hard drive it means I just use the Xbox for game stuff and don’t need to clutter it with anything else.
It’s nothing close to the drama you want to pretend it is.
Your prices are well out btw.
My Xbox wi-fi cos me £35 btw which is $57 US / $70 AUS
ww.hotukdeals.com/search?action=search&keywords=xbox
You’ll also see the 120gb HDD for £67.99 ($112 US /$137 AUS).
You’re also wrong about the LG BH200.
We just got the full ‘profile 2.0′ stuff opened up in a firmware upgrade this mont (came out about 1 week ago – go look on avsforums if you need to).
So yes, it does do DD, thanks.
You’re still getting battered right, left and centre here.
It’s ok.
I get it.
You’re a young guy with your PS3 hocked up to your 720p 32″ HD TV and you think you know it all.
You’ll learn.
Sadly most of us have been there, thankfully for many of us it was some time ago.
July 23rd, 2009
you still had to cash out extra money right for all that right?
July 23rd, 2009
Aww Roca just give up already dude.
July 23rd, 2009
HAHA,
I my college degree says i graduated in 2007.
and FYI my gaming TV 50″ Sony Bravia 1080p/ 120Mhz
my entretainment tv is 46 Samsum 1080p/60mhz
July 23rd, 2009
Aww Roca just give up already dude.
no problema! sir
July 23rd, 2009
You have a college degree and you thought HDMI was just to connect to a TV!?
Wow, educational standards these days, huh?
July 23rd, 2009
Well, Happy, for a very brief moment there we all had an intelligent, open dialogue. Scary, huh? Glad we’re back to the Good Old Blorge we all love! *laughs*
@ kev: You seem to be in a belligerent mood. Are you feeling alright?
If you remember, you and I have already gone back and forth on this issue. I agreed that I understood what you had against Sony, and I made it clear that during my PS2 days I never really followed the Console Wars. I had a PS2, liked it a lot, and had no interest in spending money on a different console. So as an individual consumer, Sony did right bight me with both the PS1 and PS2, and I’m quite thrilled with my PS3, so I see no reason to change my opinion on the brand.
I hated Microsoft long before the Xbox, hated them even more when they tried to buy up every major game studio to develop exclusively for the Xbox, and have not had them endear themselves to me with the 360’s issues. However, more exclusive IPs like Mass Effect or some of Mistwalker’s titles could potentially go a long way to softening my heart towards them.
Scale back the aggressiveness next time, yeah?
-Arvis
July 23rd, 2009
Arvis
LOL
Yeah but then we wouldn’t get little gems like ‘HDMI the new TV connection cable’.
You learn something new here every day, eh?
July 23rd, 2009
Happy,
I DEFINITELY visit this site for the educational value, no doubt.
-Arvis
July 23rd, 2009
Arvis:
Well i had always had a PlayStation & Xbox but i manage to like PlayStation brand better because Sony actually makes games which is great to see them cared about creating games.
Wireless HDMI & WirelessHD is supported by Sony.
New maps for KILLZONE 2 today i get it Tuesday. Add me PSN ID: Ivan- & Ygles7 Gamertag: Ivan PSP buying some Xbox Live add-on soon.
July 23rd, 2009
Sorry you’re LIVE tag is Ivan PSP?? Not coming up for me
July 23rd, 2009
You really want to add him as a friend?
July 24th, 2009
roca, over half your list was games that are not do out for a long time (many of which will probably get delayed further), others we already played, and can still play on PS2/PSP, Free Realms I can already play on my laptop, along with FFIV, … what’s left is sparse. Try it again at the end of next year and we might be missing something more than a handful of games.
July 24th, 2009
CON:
Well i don’t know what to tell you i checked it out and is good. Type it good.
harry sachz:
He doesn’t own the 3 maybe he has the 2.
Roca:
Why do you bother lol i don’t care anymore. Everyone here that has a Xbox 360 or a PLAYSTATION 3 is not buying anymore consoles because pride. I gave up already that’s why i wasn’t bothering coming here is full of the same people talking about the same shit.
I still like the Gamer.Blorge. We all know Xbox is never going to be as good as the PlayStation. But you like what you like your money your choice cya.
July 24th, 2009
OK we pissed off Ivan bytalkin bout the same old stuff…
I say – lets talk – BANANA HAMMOCKS!
July 24th, 2009
“Sorry you’re LIVE tag is Ivan PSP?? Not coming up for me”
@CON
His Live tag is not coming up under Ivan PSP. Why don’t you try typing Roca? lol
July 24th, 2009
Harry just want to see if he actually owns the console and if so check out the games he has played ie gears 2 which was “an epic m$ failure”
July 24th, 2009
CalrB we are talking about PS3/360 here, not PCs, or PS2
if so most of 360 games are on PC also. so that takes good amount of x360 exclusive game. right?
Ivan ur PSN ID is not coming up?
July 24th, 2009
Well i can add any one. D-Roca i will add U 2day
July 24th, 2009
“Harry just want to see if he actually owns the console and if so check out the games he has played ie gears 2 which was “an epic m$ failure”
@CON
Really, Ivan/Roca said that? Lol, Gears 2 while not the best game ever was really good and really shows that the PS3 is not that much if at all better then the Xbox 360 in terms of graphics. Not too many games on the PS3 that I can say looks better then Gears 2. Come to think of it I can really only think of one (that is currently out). However not going to say as it’s just my opinion and don’t want to get into that. So before all you PS3 fanboys get your panties in a bunch, I like the PS3 the best out of the consoles. I just don’t think everyone has to agree with me and can see pros and cons with all the consoles.
July 24th, 2009
Lol look at Ivan pretending he’s not Roca!
Hilarious!
July 24th, 2009
All I’m going to say is that Roca list is a complete joke. New IP’s that are not even proven and and how many of those were pushed over to 2010 LOL. Your 2009 list is depleteing along with MAG. The only game that is of any intrest to me is Uncharted 2 and Gods of war 3. Everything else either has something superior already on the 360 that could make me care less about most of you list. Therefore it makes no sence for me to own a PS3 (which I will never buy no matter what) because 2 games don’t justify a buy. And all those extra features in you PS3 mean nothing and are baseless. Bluray gaming LOL what a joke. LOL LOL
July 24th, 2009
CON,
Did you try it with the underscore in the name? People on this site have already checked out Ivan’s gamertag and XBL profile before, so I’m sure it exists.
@ Knighthawk: Check online for the resolution/texture comparison between gears 2 and the first Uncharted. A world of difference.
-Arvis
July 24th, 2009
there at least 5-6 games on the PS3 that looks better than gears.
Arvis just prove you wrong by saying to check the difference between a PS3 game release during its first year and Gears of War 2 using the new Unreal Egine 2 to the MAX
“world of difference”
and by the way i never said anything bad about Gears 2.
CAD: I havent seen anyting superior on the 360 in a while.
July 24th, 2009
Roca, I just said there was a world of difference between the two. And anyone who goes and checks the comparison can see the difference easily. You might want to do that yourself, actually…
Part 1:
h**p://kineticninja.blogspot.com/2009/01/naughty-dog-realtime-graphics-and.html
Part 2:
h**p://www.kineticninja.blogspot.com/2009_01_01_archive.html
It’s pretty obvious which game LOOKS better. But the gameplay is more important any day, and that’s a matter of personal opinion.
-Arvis
July 24th, 2009
Yeah Roca
Whatever you need to convince yourself.
July 25th, 2009
Wow 200 posts in the parental control thread.
Hmmmm, something tells me we got way off of parental controls some time ago.
July 25th, 2009
Arvis
Don’t worry, Roca is just scrabbling for anything positive he can dream up.
Apparantly when the AAA games all look much the same he can spot enormous and clear differences.
He looks at them with his ’special eye’ and if ‘magic stuff’ happens he knows he’s right.
July 27th, 2009
Happy:
why you go and changed the subject. dont want to face the truth? let me ask you, which game look better? lol
Arvis yeah gameplay is a huge part of any video game. Uncharted gameplay mechanics were one of the best in my opinion (if only the enemy wouldnt take a whole clip to die)
July 27th, 2009
Roca
I’m not changing anything, I have said repeatedly the AAA titles on each machine look much the same.
It’s laughable to claim one has better looking games than the other …..just as it’s laughable to imply that that is a good way to tell a ‘better’ game.
July 27th, 2009
I never said uncharted was better than Gears.
but I know for sure that Ucharted looks better because i have play them both. now u cant say the same because u probably havent play uncharted, and if you did you have to play the entire game to see why is on of the best looking game this gen.
last month I saw the “top 5 Graphics games” (Base on Developer’s vote) in a website. and the list looked like this.
1- Killzone 2
2- Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune
3- Metal Gear Solid 4
4- Gears of War 2
5- Resident Evil 4
so based on developers opinion there are at least 3 games the look better than gears and uncharted happened to be one of them.
which ever is a better game is a matter of opinions. my favorite game of all time is Final Fantasy VII. I still play that game today.
I have it on a PS1 Disc, on my PSP and on my PS3
July 27th, 2009
Mountains (if they exist at all) out of molehills.
…..and you’re still running away from the fact that visuals alone (especially when they are so close) do not make for a ‘better’ game./
July 27th, 2009
ur right Happy, visual only does not make a game better than other.
and ur point is? because i dont recall saying that Graphics makes better games.
my 2 favorite online games are Warhawk and Battlefield 1943 and both of them have shitty grahics but they are alot of fun.
July 27th, 2009
Roca
My point is that you’re trying to magnify a minor & highly debateable difference to a ridiculous degree.
Xbox & PS3 are pretty much identical in graphics when it comes to it.
Just because the very very latest PS3 game might get a higher rating from a bunch of (paid and under contract) devs does not ‘prove’ a thing.
We all know that this years big Xbox games will push the console envelope further……and next year both consoles will do similar all over again.
I’ve seen Xbox graphics which look amazing (and so too with the PS3).
I’ve also seen PC graphics which leave both trailing (and on one occasion it was of the same scene and the PC version was several steps ahead of the Xbox & PS3s efforts).
July 27th, 2009
ok PC is in a class of its own. we were talking PS3 and X360 but if thats the best you can come up with. thats pretty then if u are compering the PS3 to PC right?
i dont think u have seen screen for God of War, Uncharted 2, Gran Turismo 5 and Last Gardian
there is nothing so far on 360 that can match the quility in graphics of those games.
Your PC surely can put up way better graphics but developers dont care for it enough
July 28th, 2009
LMAO… I almost thought for a second that you two would agree, but then I realized that may trigger the beginning of the apocalypse.
July 28th, 2009
ROCA – there is nothing the ps3 has shown that is not already being done on the 360. no new shader techniques, no new lighting, no new texturing, mapping, etc, etc…….
you are such a fanboy.. i have no idea why your fellow ps3 zealouts let you run off at the mouth like you do…. you, singlehandidly, make them all look foolish…
July 28th, 2009
‘but then I realized that may trigger the beginning of the apocalypse.’
Ha!
’singlehandidly, make them all look foolish…’
*sigh*
July 28th, 2009
ok Ninja Man,
Halo 3 is the best looking game on earth, according to you right? or maybe it Left 4 Dead, oh wait no……could it be resident evil 5 (maybe). or is it Ninja Blade or Valvet assasins?
Gears or War = best looking game this gen??
let me know when u have an answer.
July 28th, 2009
Actually kev the lighting techniques are pretty new and exclusive the engine guerilla created.
July 28th, 2009
the Uncharted Engine 2.0 is unmatch, it funny that he keeps saying there are games on the 360 that looks the same as PS3 exclusive games. but Gears of War has been their best looking game since 2006. and the 360 best engine is The Unreal Engine. more wild claims by the White Belt Ninja Man.
July 29th, 2009
phranc – what is specifically special about the lighting technique that is not on other consoles? HDR…? what…? sorry, but you got to stop believing the b.s hype of the ps3 and its games…
it’s apparent you haven’t played many 360 games….
ROCA – i can’t find your other post, but PSN is under SOE…..tool….lmao….
July 29th, 2009
“PSN is under SOE”
that show how little u know about this topic. and also showed ur ignorance
July 29th, 2009
kev. I don’t remember specifically. Also being at work has its internet search option seriously limited. HDR is nothing new, as its even in the source engine. I guess, you more than likely are right and the developers who were working on this engine for years were just spilling out corporate BS and don’t know anything about their own engine.
You show your ignorance by making a statement when you don’t know anything about me. *sarcasm* I never played a 360 or any of its games. That would be so unbelievingly difficult./sarcasm
July 29th, 2009
roca – what does PSN fall under if not Sony Online Entertainment? SCEE, SCEA, SCE…? what?
for a ps3 fanboy you are prolly the most ignorant about all things ps3…congrats….
btw; do a google, genius… type in both SOE and PSN and see what kind of articles you get linking the two….. (again)…tool….
phranc – exactly. guerrilla has been full of BS since they showed the CG movie at e3, then claimed it was ingame. everyone has realized and admitted the gameplay does not match the movie shown….close (some fanboys say) but not on par….. and yet, you ps3 fanboys still believe and repeat their b.s….
so…what does kz have that 360 games don’t? redundant textures….fog out at 100 yards due to memory limitations……. wow….
July 29th, 2009
of course kev, ur always right
everybody else in the world (publisher/developers/writer/reviewers) who say that Killzone 2 is the best looking console game, and that it is on par or might have surpass the CG video, Are1 00% wrong.
PSN in america is under SCEA, PSN in Europe is under SCEE…and so on you get the idea
July 29th, 2009
I wish I had the video of the interview, but I have to imagine it would take MS agreeing with them before you would accept it as fact anyway so I wont lose any sleep over it.
July 29th, 2009
roca – uh…hey genius…SOE covers the WORLD…SCEA covers the licensing and publishing of games released in NA….
Sony Online Entertainment vs. Sony Computer Entertainment of America….
i even gave you the capability to prove it, yet you refuse to even use Google…. ignorance must be bliss…
“everyboy else in the world”….really? so it shouldn’t be hard for you to link articles supporting this…
i’m sure mike will let you link since it’s pro-ps3 b.s….
go ahead…let’s see what the reviewer have to say… of course, let’s ignore the Playstation sites… as their full of ignorant fanboys like you and Mike….
July 29th, 2009
Seriously kev????? Go look at metacritic then. The OPM mags have been harder on ps3 exclusives than even IGN.
kev. SOE and psn are completely different entities. SOE is a devloper and publisher of mostly MMO’s. The psn is a network. SCEA and SCEE are entirely different than SOE. This is a rather stupid argument, but just know….you are wrong.
July 29th, 2009
read the Killzone 2 reviews on IGN, Gamespot, gametrailers, 1up, gamepro, gameradar, or every other website. they all agree killzone 2 is the best looking game.
but of course they are all wrong and ur right (even if even havent even played the game)
SOE its just the name of their company. they do games like Bungie, or EA. they just focus more on MMOs. nothing else. PSN is the PSN netwoerk/online service. nothing to do with games.
if PSN is owned by SOE and SOE covers the whole World. then why the PSN in America, Japan and Europe are all apart from each other. How come Japan gets all the PS1 games few months before the US,
will it be fair to say Bungie owns XBL?
July 29th, 2009
ROCA – just shut up, already…. SOE is NOT a company name…it’s a division of sony.. Sony Online Entertainment. I covers the online infrastructure. (i’ll wait while you look for the defnition on that word).
SCEE, SCEA, are other divisions…
you know nothing little man. it wouldn’t be so bad, but you’re such a fanboy…. that only makes it pathetic….
phranc – go google it, and tell me why there are hundreds of articles linking psn and SOE….
July 30th, 2009
then how come SOE has developed games like,
The Agency
DC Universe Online
Free Realms
Cash Guns Chaos
Field Commander
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
Untold Legends: The Warrior’s Code
Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade
Champions: Return to Arms
EverQuest II
Champions of Norrath
EverQuest Online Adventures: Frontiers
EverQuest Online Adventures
Cosmic Rift
EverQuest
…..I dont think those games have anything to do with online infastructure.
SOE is the name of the Company and it was independent from SCE, but now they they are PART of SCE because the PS3 can handle their type of games (usually MMOs). Sony has another Studio Called “Sony London”…are you going to say that’s a Sony division in London. lol do your reasearch google apperently is not helping you.
July 30th, 2009
LOL!!!!
google ps3 and you find hundreds of links also to the 360.
July 30th, 2009
phranc – find ONE link that says the ps3 is a division of the 360…. there are maaaany saying PSN is under SOE…
is that the best you got? you’re almost as big a clown as ROCA/IVAN PSP….
congrats..i didn’t think you reach his level…. but you did…. you must be so proud…
even ROCA is now talking himself into circles with his stupid London remark….
i can see why the ps3 is failing..only the ignorant seem to be buying them…. not good…
July 30th, 2009
i think i may be wrong….
Hirai is not over SOE which understood PSN is also under Hirai… from this link…
http://news.softpedia.com/news/SOE-Now-Under-Hirai-039-s-Watchful-Eye-80895.shtml
meh…there’s a first time for everything…
July 30th, 2009
if it matters to you that much why dont you call Sony and ask them yourselve.
that way u dont have to look stupid in here.
July 30th, 2009
1-800-345-Sony. good luck.
July 30th, 2009
1-800-345-Sony. good luck.
July 30th, 2009
kev.
I really don’t have any other way to tell you, other than that you’re wrong.
Is it that hard for you to concede?
All you do is make yourself look dumber and dumber. I’m waiting for one of the X-buds to come in here and tell you that you’re wrong as well. Maybe you’ll listen to them.
Of course it is already on page 2 so noone but us seems to be viewing it.
July 30th, 2009
phranc – once mike pulls his head out, he’ll post my post that admits this….
simple mistake. Hirai oversees and SOE and PSN it was my mistake thinking one was under the other….
first time for everything….
anyway…. the really bad news is that SOE is depending on the PS3 to create about 50% of its revenue this year… talk about a sucker bet… lmao…