Sony stealing most of Xbox 360’s exclusive downloadable games
Over a year or two ago, many of the headlines over the Web indicated that Microsoft was stealing many of the PS3 franchises from the past such as Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto and Devil May Cry. However, it seems like it is the PS3’s turn to take some exclusives from the Xbox 360 – in the form of downloadable games.
Lately, just within the past several months it seems like the growing trend has been for Xbox Live exclusive games to make the jump over to the PSN. I suppose it all started with the announcement earlier on that Penny Arcade Adventures would be making its way on the PS3. Just recently at Comic-Con, The Behemoth announced that the highly acclaimed Castle Crashers will be making its way to the PS3 soon.
Another blockbuster Xbox 360 downloadable game, Braid was recently confirmed by Gamerzine to be making its way to the PS3 as soon as August. If you recall I gave Braid on the Xbox 360 a great review scoring it 4.5/5 for its inventiveness and originality. Braid also sits on Metacritic as the 8th highest rated game on the Xbox 360 currently. There is also the Fallout 3 DLCs that will be migrating to the PS3 from the Xbox 360.
The point that I am trying to lead up to is that all of the third party exclusivity nonsense is coming to an end. When franchises crossed over from the PS2 to the Xbox 360, many shouted that Microsoft was stealing all of Sony’s exclusives. However, what happened a year or two later? Games like Saints Row, Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Oblivion and Bioshock, which were once considered to be Xbox 360 exclusives, started migrating over to the PS3 shortly after.
What I am trying to say is that the PS3 and the Xbox 360 share the same ecosystem, meaning that both platforms consist of a split userbase with similar taste in video games. There is a reason why publishers have gone multiplatform this generation.
My point is that both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 will continue to exist within the split ecosystem and with third party exclusivity nearly extinct, both companies will rely on things like first party exclusives, Blu-ray, Netflix, Natal, motion-wand and price to continue to entice gamers to buy the system. I predict that this generation will be a very long cycle and none of the consoles will be going anywhere, so gamers should stop arguing and enjoy the games.
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August 1st, 2009
i wish castlevania was a ps exclusive but anyways the ps store is set up well with great downloadable games…for those that have burn zombie burn we’ll be getting in game custom music soon fun ass EXCLUSIVE!
August 1st, 2009
i got burn zombie burn!
well i guess dev love paying the bandwith fee, XBL didnt produce any profit for them..
August 1st, 2009
Yeah, Sony are gonna be raking it in with the bandwidth fee, what with the bulk of PSP games going to be loaded on there.
August 1st, 2009
Third party exclusives are definitely going the way of the dodo.
It’s a shame that Square didn’t end up porting Last Remnant to the Ps3, you boys are missing out on a pretty good rpg.
Speaking of RPGs, I bought Blue Dragon for $30 last week, it’s a really fun, light hearted RPG.
Mike, how far did you go in Blue Dragon?
August 1st, 2009
Nice i might buy Braid if is really good and has trophies worth getting. Well it was revealed by Microsoft that Xbox Live Arcade is a huge failure it doesn’t make any profit for no one EPIC DISASTER. But the PlayStation Network profit and has the best downloadable full length exclusive still like Ratchet & Clank Future: Quest for Booty, SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Confrontation, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Warhawk, Siren: Blood Curse, Wipeout HD and way more. We sure are taking everything we are the best. Another step closer to killing the Shitbox/Gaybox…
August 1st, 2009
“We sure are taking everything we are the best”
Who is we, you and Sony? hahahah, loser!
“Another step closer to killing the Shitbox/Gaybox…”
@Ivan
Yes and you are another step closer to being cut off of sugar and wearing a helmet all day, even when you sleep! LMFAO, calm down dude!
August 1st, 2009
Knighthawk
Sssssshhhhhh.
Don’t be criticising Ivan/Roca.
They’ve seen the Microsoft revenue statements and know for a fact XBl doesn’t make anyone any money.
How could you think otherwise?
Back in the real world……
it’s pretty obvious that if they can 3rd party devs will make whatever adjustments they can to sweep up whatever income they can from all the consoles (and PCs for that matter).
August 1st, 2009
Happyhockum:
Stop crying and face the facts already. Everyone knows the true about how Microsoft lies about everything to keep so of the losing fans.
PC gaming is dead like music and almost movies all free. No one really buys Xbox games since you can just play them free search xbox on a torrent site.
ivanplaystation4life.blogspot com/
August 1st, 2009
“lies about everything to keep so of the losing fans”
Jebus H.
Obviously you’re projecting, again.
Is it that hard to type through the tears?
You guys have been doing your best to PR against the Xbox for 3yrs now and despite it all your beloved PS3 remains firmly welded in 3rd and last place with terrible (falling) sales.
You shouldn’t label everyone as if your own behaviour is typical.
The game sales charts show people do in fact buy Xbox games – and not only are there more Xbox owners out there but they buy more games than you PS3 types too.
PC gaming?
If you want the best games they are there.
Bigger, better and more detailed.
It must be ruibbish for you Ivan/Roca.
Always making yourself wheel and and try and big-up the loser.
It is funny tho.
August 1st, 2009
This is why the Playstation 3 is not on track like the PS2 and PS1. Microsoft leveled the playing field (as far as software support from last generation) and both the Xbox and Playstation have always relied heavily on 3rd party support. Now that the PS3 is no longer getting the influence and favortism it’s unable to break away from the competition.
So what ends up happening is price and features become precedent and since the PS3 is far from the hype Sony made it out to be the higher cost has now become more and more of an issue. This also let the door open for Nintendo since they went a entirely different direction and let MS and Sony battle it out for the same market.
August 1st, 2009
“Xbox and Playstation have always relied heavily on 3rd party support.”
Not any more. Sony now don’t care much about 3rd parties, that much is clear. Look at their E3 conference. All the big games they showed are their own. Look at their point-blank refusal to do anything about the price to appease third parties.
It is Microsoft who are now depending heavily on third parties; Sony are now depending on themselves.
GT5, GOW3, Uncharted 2, Last Guardian, MAG…there’s going to be nothing like that on the 360. Sony haven’t built up Worldwide Studios for no reason have they?
August 1st, 2009
Of course they are going to promote their own games. They pretty much have to. People certainly aren’t going to spend $400 to play multiplatform games if they look and play the same (or sometimes worse) as they do on a cheaper console. So this is why they push 1st party games and blu ray. Trouble is most of those exclusives aren’t becoming big blockbuster games. Killzone 2 has yet reached 2 million sold and how much did that game cost to make? Sony decided to split the userbase this generation to bring blu ray into peoples homes. They won that format war but they certainly won’t win both.
We will start seeing less and less gambles on Sony’s part. The Heavy Rains and Last Guardians will be few and far between. Sony simply can’t keep spending money on games that take years of development time and new IP’s. Plus when you constantly keep delaying games like GT5 the momentum keeps getting lower and lower.
MS isn’t spending as much money on new IP’s and studios because they are more interested in being profitable. Something they never saw with the original Xbox.
There is immense pressure on a price drop. Trouble is Sony’s console just simply costs more to make (and offers more). They have already dropped the price faster than the Wii and Xbox 360. So now what, drop the price again in hopes of recovering the losses on software and blu ray endorsement fees?
Sony can talk all they want about a 10 year cycle plan. Problem is they have little control of that if support shifts elsewhere. Luckily for them the PS2 and PS1 were the lead platforms and had the support to keep it going. They don’t have that this generation. Most developers are not going to take advantage of the PS3 hardware to make people notice why they should spend more. Let’s just hope for Sony’s sake Nintendo and Microsoft don’t come out with a new console in the next 3 years otherwise that 10 year plan will be cut short.
August 1st, 2009
“GT5, GOW3, Uncharted 2, Last Guardian, MAG…there’s going to be nothing like that on the 360. Sony haven’t”
Sure there is. They are called Forza 3, Dante’s Inferno, Splinter Cell: Conviction, I Am Alive, Alan Wake and so on. Those games you mentioned are no better or worse than the games I listed so don’t act like a fanboy. The games don’t need to be exclusive to compare genres and gamestyles. I love my PS3 and Xbox 360 but let’s get something perfectly clear, neither system offers a totally different perspective on gameplay or entertainment. That’s fanboy fodder.
I own Killzone 2 and Halo 3 and each is fun in their own right. Just like how Infamous and Crackdown are. The controllers are very alike and so are the games, get over it. Just like XBL and PSN games.
August 1st, 2009
“No one really buys Xbox games since you can just play them free search xbox on a torrent site.”
What were the games sales figures for xbox and ps3 last month again Ivan/Roca???
LMAO
August 1st, 2009
“Nice i might buy Braid if is really good and has trophies worth getting. Well it was revealed by Microsoft that Xbox Live Arcade is a huge failure it doesn’t make any profit for no one EPIC DISASTER. But the PlayStation Network profit and has the best downloadable full length exclusive still like Ratchet & Clank Future: Quest for Booty, SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Confrontation, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Warhawk, Siren: Blood Curse, Wipeout HD and way more. We sure are taking everything we are the best. Another step closer to killing the Shitbox/Gaybox…”
I wonder if people are really this stupid outside of the Internet? I sure hope not. If so please do us all a favor and get a vasectomy once you reach puberty.
Listen, Modern Warfare 2 is getting exclusive maps. Why? Well Activision already stated XBL makes them more money than PSN.
The fanboys can bash the hardware and make RRoD comments all they like but when it comes to online services XBL is still leaps and bounds more enticing over PSN for making money. More users and more users who spend more money. Simple as that.
August 1st, 2009
Levelhead officially a Xbot fanboy with the blinders on…..and officialy full of crap (reminds me of Kev)
ur crappy list is crap compared to Lock_down’s list.
and most of them are multiplatform…..i mean Come on…dante inferno and I am Alive might be another TOO HUMAN
August 1st, 2009
Yes I’m an Xbot for saying both systems offers great games. You got me there.
So while I’m playing Uncharted 2, Left4Dead 2, Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time and Forza 3 you’ll still be here looking like the idiot you are.
Sony fanboys have one thing to fear and that’s logic.
August 1st, 2009
Let me be a bit more dignified than Roca.
Dante’s Inferno and I Am Alive are multi-plat; and Splinter Cell is on PC as well; and likely will be Alan Wake. Forza is nowhere near a GT influence level; sales prove that. And it’s doubtful Dante’s Inferno will compare to God Of War 3.
” Let’s just hope for Sony’s sake Nintendo and Microsoft don’t come out with a new console in the next 3 years otherwise that 10 year plan will be cut short.”
What Nintendo and MS do next gen will have little impact on Sony, because thanks to Nintendo, there are now so many markets to focus on, that one console is not going to be able to encompass everybody.
Microsoft and Nintendo (and Sony) are all going to interpret the market differently. You’re already seeing that now with the different approach that Sony and Microsoft are taking in terms of motion control.
Next gen, building one console to encompass new gamers, casual games, semi and hardcore gamers, appealing to motion control gamers, to non motion control gamers, as well as targeting young, middle aged and elderly people, all at the same time, all with the same exectution is simply unlikely to happen.
There is going to a big difference between the big three next generation.
“Most developers are not going to take advantage of the PS3 hardware”
I disagree. I think developers are going to take advantage of the PS3 hardware moving forward, I grant you not all will, but I think some will do. EA already have with C&C.
You’re already seeing cracks with DVD on 360; confusion about how Forza 3 works with 2 discs; where do they go with Forza 4? Forza 5? 4 discs? 5 discs?
You’re seeing Square Enix have to squash FFXIII down because shipping multiple DVD’s is expensive. You’ve seen GTA4 compromised to get everything on one DVD. Is this going to go on for the next 5+ years, over which time the PS3 audience will grow as the price comes down and Sony’s games come out?
But whether devs do take advantage of the PS3 or not, it doens’t have any impact on the future.
Greenberg, Kim, Nelson and Mattrick have all said that the 360 is going nowhere (indeed they’ve commited to 2015), and that there is no new Xbox coming.
Listen to third parties. Virtually every one of them is saying that this cycle is going to last an extremely long time. Which they say is good for them…and it is.
Look at Final Fantasy. There were more Final Fantasy games than God on the PS2; yet four years into this generation, we still don’t have one main FF title.
Square Enix will have spent close to five years making FFXIII; I highly doubt they are going to throw away all the investment in the engine and the tools away and move onto next generation hardware, which will be even more expensive.
The most important point though is that the PS3 is not going to be $399 forever, is it.
The hard fact is that the PS3 has a 23.8 million install base, and it hasn’t even reached the 360 launch price yet.
August 1st, 2009
Like I said, who cares if they are multiplatform when the gameplay pretty much meets the same level of gameplay found in PS3 exclusives? Also how does PC games help PS3 owners? This article is about the PS3 and Xbox 360 so when people throw the PC into the mix it’s really just a signal that you’re argument is rather weak. Do you think Jack Tretton cares about FFXIV coming to the PC? No, he cares it’s not coming to the Xbox 360. That’s their main competition. So when a game like Bioshock that’s released simultaneously on both the Xbox 360 and PC sell in the millions and later on comes out on the PS3 only to sell in the few hundred thousands it’s pretty clear the intentions on both MS and Sony to keep the game from coming out of the competing console.
What has EA done on C&C for the PS3 that outshines the PC and Xbox 360? Also did it solidify any reason to taking advantage of the PS3 when sales don’t support the extra work and resources?
Also we know blu ray has it’s benefits but it’s mainly storage space. How many games thus far have felt inferior on the Xbox 360 as opposed to the PS3 version? None that I know of. Swapping sdiscs to me is just an inconvenience just like mandaory install on my PS3. The gameplay is pretty much the same. Did the PS2 get blacklisted last generation when games like Splinter Cell had to be re-envisioned because of the hardware limitations compared to the PC and the original Xbox? No, it continues to outsell all other platforms. Yet hardware seems to be the main focus this gen by all the Sony fanboys. Talk about flip-flopping! Rage also runs better on the PC and Xbox 360 than the PS3 version right now and when it ships they will all most likely be very similar. FFXIII will also play very similar. The PS3 might have less compressed audio and better resolution for cutscenes but the game itself will be nearly identical. So much for Blu ray changing gaming and the next generation starting when Sony says.
Also no, the PS3 won’t be $399 forever. Just like how it wasn’t $599 forever. It will drop in price, have a spike in hardware sales and then level out just like before. Just like when the Xbox 360 drops again in price and when the Wii finally drops in price. However we are already just about 3 years into the PS3’s lifespan and the PS3 has of yet been able to take the lead. Developers fought through the complicated development cycle on the PS2 because they saw a reason to. On the PS3 the reason is much cloudier.
The Xbox 360 launched at $399 so yes it has reached the Xbox 360 launch price. The PS3 should be more expensive, it costs more to make and offers more out of the box so there will always be a gap between the two. It’s not MS fault Sony decided to come out with a $600 game machine. IMO the PS3 offers better value yet the Xbox 360 is selling a bit better so this shows how some people just don’t see or need that extra value. Sony also has a much wider and larger fanbase to work with. They built their Playstation brand to well over 100 million and they pissed a good part of that away to win the blu ray format war.
Anyways this isn’t a rant to bash the PS3, far from it. It’s basically a rant to tell the Sony fanboys to shut the hell up for once and realize the PS3 is no savior. It’s doesn’t offer this gap in gameplay like they want others to believe. What it does offer is great entertainment…just like the Xbox 360.
As far as stealing exclusives the term exclusive is often misused. When a game comes out and is not available on the PS3 but is on the Xbox 360 then it is exclusive to that console at that time. Sony was smart in securing them like GTA on the PS2 and MS is smart in securing them this generation with games like Bioshock. Once they finally come out to the competing platform the damage is done as shown by software sales.
August 1st, 2009
ur so blind. M$ pays for the DLC
August 1st, 2009
So does Sony, what’s your point? It’s us the gamers who benefit. Of course if you only own a PS3 or only own a Xbox 360 I can see why this would be an issue.
August 1st, 2009
ur claims are so full of it……..ur 100% a XBOT fanboy man dont try to hide it… be proud of it.
Bluray is not the the reason few games are poorly ported to the PS3..it mainly becaise of devs lasyness.
FFXIII is not going to be nearly the same on both console…the 360 version is going to lack from a lot of things..resolution is not going to be the same, no option for foreign language, compress to hell which mean most of it is going to a waterdown version of the PS3.
and I think they are many PS3 games that look better/run better on the PS3. (Alone in the Dark, Prototype, Oblivion, Dead Space, C&C, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Eternal Sonata, Tales of Vissperia. etc)
take those blinders off, and admit ur a xbot fanboy because ur colors are showing.
August 1st, 2009
“So does Sony, what’s your point? It’s us the gamers who benefit. Of course if you only own a PS3 or only own a Xbox 360 I can see why this would be an issue.”
i didnt say there was an issue..you said Infinity Ward chose the Xbox for DLC because XBL is more profitable…I was just letting truth come out by saying that IN REALITY M$ pays infnity ward for the DLC..
ohhhhh…those blinders doenst let you see the truth
August 1st, 2009
Well Infinity Ward did say that they make a lot more money on XBL. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
Also Roca of course games will improve when the development cycle gets an extension. This also happened on Virtua Fighter 5 when it got released later on the Xbox 360. It was simply a better port just like how Oblivion got better on the PS3. Also as I stated, FFXIII will be basically the same game on both platforms. Square already said it so stop sounding like a fanboy. DMC4 was basically the same on both platforms with the PS3 getting better resolutions for cutscenes. However what’s more important to you, better looking cutscenes in games like FFXIII and DMC4 or better resolution in the actual game such as Ghostbusters on the Xbox 360 when compared to the PS3?
The PS3 does not have as wide of a gap as we saw in the PS2/Xbox era. So why all of the sudden is a smaller gap a much bigger issue this gen? Seems to me the reason is Sony’s arrogant fans just need something to cling onto.
August 1st, 2009
“Hardware seems to be the main focus this gen by all the Sony fanboys.”
The hardware we use is going to have to last longer. Agin, read comments about third parties saying this generation is going to last longer. Blu-Ray will undoubtedly factor into that.
“However we are already just about 3 years into the PS3’s lifespan and the PS3 has of yet been able to take the lead. ”
At the price it as at, I would be surprised if it did. But look at the 08/09 fiscal numbers; MS sold 11.2 million; Sony sold 10.06 million. And with the price difference going on, that’s pretty respectable. Also on price, $399 isn’t really represetative of the fact that it wasn’t the cheapest…the best selling Core was; and it’ll be the same story now.
On FF14, I’m sure Jack is delighted; but let’s get this into perspective; Sony didn’t have Wada up there for a duration did they? They showed a trailer and that was it. MS on the other hand have had Square up there for the past two years.
August 1st, 2009
Thoughtful & nice quality posts LevelHead.
Roca, give it up fanboy, you’re just embarrassing yourself now.
lock_down
The Blu-ray disc is just the container.
Now that we’re up to 0.5gb DLC it’s pretty obvious that whatever disadvantage is imagined with 8.5gb DVD9s is rapidly diminishing fast.
Bear in mind Xbox does use compression on DVD9s and yet it has zero effect on reducing game quality.
I did give an example of this recently but I’ve forgotten the games name now, it was 1 x 8.5gb DVD9 on Xbox but 13gbs on PS3 (and the review consensus was the Xbox version was the better one).
2 or 3 or even 4 DVD9s mean nothing to me.
It would be neater to have the game on 1 disc but really, who gives a f**k about changing a disc?
August 1st, 2009
Doo-da-doo…I didn’t say consumers cared about changing a disc.
I said shipping on multiple DVD’s is expensive for pubs an/or compromises the game, (FFXIII, GTA4 being the case in point); and that if this generation is to last as long as third parties and platform holders say it will, how can games expand when some 360’s can’t even get all the content of Forza 3 on two discs? What is it going to be like in the future?
You can fool yourself against the benefits of BR if you want, but comments from Dan Houser, Yoshinori Kitase and Motomu Toriyama show otherwise.
August 1st, 2009
lock_down
Have you seen the margins on this sort of stuff?
I just don’t see any reason why a few grams more plastic in the case to hold the discs or that arise from a couple of discs make is any big deal.
If it really matter that much we’d be getting everything in card cases.
I think the Arcade issue is obvious.
The games will either split off the additional content or some games will begin to leave Arcade out.
Out of 600 – 700 games I just don’t see the big deal – especially when the answer (a now pretty cheap 20gb or 60gb HDD) is so readily available.
Blu-ray for gaming IMO has been nothing but a negative for Sony & their PS3.
Of course there are cheer-leaders for it but so what?
For every voice saying Blu-ray is amazing and vital we now not only have several voices begging to differ – but also now a host of voices saying so where is this amazing vital difference then?
I’m sorry to say that I honestly find huge file sized FMV scenes really mean nothing to me, a novelty the 1st time around and soon after that a bore I am sometimes annoyed by cos they won’t let you skip them.
It still means nothing as far as gameplay is concerned.
August 1st, 2009
let’s wait and see huh fella’s i mean we”ll see some great games in the near future so cool the frick out but
LevelHead came out swinging…thanx for the black eye
August 1st, 2009
hahah @ Happy, I actually chuckled with the ‘typing through the tears’ comment.
Levelhead doesn’t seem to be a fanboy at all, I do find it amusing watching Ivan/roca accusing others of being fanboys.
Back onto the topic, something dawned on me, the games mentioned by Mike as being stolen by the 360 (DMC 4, GTA 4 etc) all had one thing in common, a simultaneous release date. The fact that these games released the same day saw strong sales on all platforms. These 360 games that are coming onto PS3 are more than a year old. These games have lost their thunder by the time they hit the PS3, and sales data reflects it. For example, Bioshock. It sold incredibly well on the 360. When it came to the PS3, it even had additional content (albeit not being in HD, as opposed to the 360 version that is in HD) yet it saw way less than expect sales.
Lost Planet is another example. Again, it was a solid game on 360, it came to PS3 (again, the game lacked the quality of the 360 version, but it was the same game nonetheless) and sales tanked.
Flip the coin and use the scenario of if MGS4 ever made it’s way to the 360. It will not sell all that great, as it’s a year old and people have moved on.
My point I am getting at is that if you want to make an impact with stealing another console’s exclusives, it needs to be released simultaneously. Otherwise interest is waned.
August 1st, 2009
DVD does have its limitations and we are seeing it in a FEW games. However since the PS3 isn’t dominating the market the lowest common denominator (both the Wii and Xbox 360) will ensure most games will continue to fit on 1 DVD. If the PS3 did come out like gangbusters then the Xbox 360 would be in a worse position but that’s not the case.
Also Project Natal will keep the system alive and well as will Sony’s motion controls. It’s pretty clear blu ray came out a bit too early when we really haven’t seen too many benefits even from their own exclusives. Also add the fact very few games even run in 1080p and it’s abundantly clear even the PS3 can’t really produce true next gen games for the most part.
Hardware horsepower is rarely relevant in a consoles domination and the PS3 will be no different. Compression techniques and efficient coding will continue to be on the Xbox 360’s side for quite some time. The economy and bottlenecks within the PS3’s architecture will continue to hinder the PS3 and it’s ability to try and outshine the Xbox 360. However next generation Microsoft faces an uphill battle as they don’t have the in house studios and won’t likely have a price advantage either against the PS4.
As for exclusives lost to the PS3 does it really matter now? Sales will no doubt still favor the Xbox 360 which in turn means those publishers will continue to favor XBL with getting Arcade games first and exclusive DLC. Sony needs to be more aggressive in securing exclusive deals but the question remains, can they afford to? Luckily they have more in house studios to compensate but what’s costing each company more and which is giving each a better return?
August 1st, 2009
lock_down:
BD-R 50GB $23.98
DVD-R 8.5GB DL $ .66
Looking at the top results on Amazon, it looks like the DVD-R DL 8.5GB 8X is still significantly less expensive than the 50GB 2X. So take 6 discs (the same amount the original PC Baldur’s Gate shipped on) and you have roughly the same storage capacity for $20 less. I doubt shipping is going to cost that much, and I also doubt we will see that many 50GB games this gen, the majority of which will likely come at the tail end, at which point we will already start to see the next gen consoles.
Plus the 2X vs 8X (might be up to 4x now on PS3?) is kind of hard to ignore as well, unless the entire game is being installed vice the now mandatory partial file for PS3. One of the reasons I have heard PS3 games can be so large is because they need to replicate the same data on the disc in order to get it to run at acceptable speeds.
For the rest of this gen, I don’t see BR becoming dominant, fast enough, or cost effective enough to make a huge difference in games. For movies, upgraded DVD quality is more than enough for the average consumer in a recession (the majority) who just want a clear picture and to watch the show. Videophiles, people with cash to burn, or PS3 buyers will probably still be the bulk of Blu ray purchasers for the rest of the gen, even with future price drops.
Next gen will probably be where this tech comes into full bloom, but so will dd. In any case Sony is covered and I don’t see them dying. All eyes on Microsoft to see what their next format will be. Happy was speaking earlier of an upgraded HD-DVD, which would make things interesting. I’m just not sure where they would go with the player: BD compatible seems to make sense, but I don’t know.
August 1st, 2009
“Bluray is not the the reason few games are poorly ported to the PS3..it mainly becaise of devs lasyness. ”
Why blame the devs for not wanting to add more resources and time into getting less in return? The install base is smaller on the PS3, that much is a fact. It’s also well known the PS3 is not only costlier to make games on but more difficult. Meaning more resources need to be put into PS3 development. Very few publishers will put in those extra man-hours and extra resources so don’t blame devs on being lazy. They are just trying to be cost productive.
We have seen games like GTA IV get delayed on the Xbox 360 due to the PS3 development. How many other publishers can afford to have their product sit so they can release it simultaneously? This is why Rage is already 60fps on the PC and Xbox 360. It’s easier for ID to get the game there than the PS3 and they are far from being lazy. It’s called a learning curve. Not every developer has inside information and early kits like Guerilla and Insomniac.
If a game costs you 20 million to make and you get 30 million in return but 60% of the sales are from the Xbox 360 where do you think the focus is going to be on their next game? That’s exactly what happened last generation and why the PS2 was the lead platform even though it was the most difficult and not the most powerful.
Now take a PS3 exclusive that costs you 20 million to make and now you only have 40% of the people to sell to when you take the Xbox 360 install base out of the equation (as compared to that multiplatform example I just gave)? Do you think Prototype costs more to make than Infamous? I doubt it but it sold more copies all around since it had more customers to sell to. So like I said earlier the gambles Sony took with games like Heavy Rain will get slimmer as time goes by. The software sales simply aren’t meeting expectations because of the slower than initiated plan of adoption of the PS3. No wonder Square changed its mind and made FFXIII multi-platform.
August 1st, 2009
You can’t use those prices as a comparison. There is no way publishers or Sony pays $24 for a dual layered blu ray. I believe it’s a few dollars compared to less than a dollar for the DVD.
August 1st, 2009
For the rest of the gen, I think sales boil down to this for the new home console buyer:
Which current console is the least expensive to start gaming? XBox 360. The Arcade Model currently has 512MB on board memory for game saves/downloadable games and is able to play the majority (over 600 games) of the 360 library well.
Which currently manufactured console is able to play the most current gen games? XBox 360. Right now that means about 678 compared to PS3’s 377, and 260 of these are favorably rated compared to 168 on PS3. PS2 saturated the market last gen, so maybe even PS3 BC on some of the past models (no longer being manufactured, but a possibility in the Slim) doesn’t make that much of a difference (at least if you listen to the majority of PS3 owners here who say BC isn’t a factor for them).
Own a PS2 and PSP like me? Well, you can already access PSN, download compatible PSN games and content, and play the entire PS2 library.
Which console has more favorably rated (and total) exclusives? There is already almost 3 times as many exclusives on 360 as PS3: http://blorge.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=95
The classic response is that most of these are old games, which still isn’t true, at least if you look at Metacritic and count XBL games: http://blorge.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=108
Regardless, the PS3 is a good deal, and Sony is only going to continue momentum with their exclusive first party lineup. Translation, they will survive this gen, and perhaps even flourish towards the end of it.
August 1st, 2009
For the rest of the gen, I think sales boil down to this for the new home console buyer:
Which current console is the least expensive to start gaming? XBox 360. The Arcade Model currently has 512MB on board memory for game saves/downloadable games and is able to play the majority (over 600 games) of the 360 library well.
Which currently manufactured console is able to play the most current gen games? XBox 360. Right now that means about 678 compared to PS3’s 377, and 260 of these are favorably rated compared to 168 on PS3. PS2 saturated the market last gen, so maybe even PS3 BC on some of the past models (no longer being manufactured, but a possibility in the Slim) doesn’t make that much of a difference (at least if you listen to the majority of PS3 owners here who say BC isn’t a factor for them).
Own a PS2 and PSP like me? Well, you can already access PSN, download compatible PSN games and content, and play the entire PS2 library.
Which console has more favorably rated (and total) exclusives? There is already almost 3 times as many exclusives on 360 as PS3: blorge.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=95
The classic response is that most of these are old games, which still isn’t true, at least if you look at Metacritic and count XBL games: blorge.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=108
Regardless, the PS3 is a good deal, and Sony is only going to continue momentum with their exclusive first party lineup. Translation, they will survive this gen, and perhaps even flourish towards the end of it.
August 1st, 2009
LevelHead,
I agree, it was just a point of reference with the general understanding that bulk purchasing would reduce the price by about a factor of around ten.
I’m not sure how much more it would cost the publisher to have games written on blu-ray vs. dvd. I imagine initial cost would be more, along with considering maintenance and replacement of the hardware as well.
August 1st, 2009
With that, maybe $3-$4 compared to a dime or so? Still quite a difference. Happy knows and has more references on the subject than I currently do.
August 1st, 2009
Ah, I get you now CarlB (what you were saying about moving on from DVD9 but not going for Blu-ray).
The DVD Forum had minutes published (after HD DVD was canned) showing on-going 51gb TL HD DVD development, that much is on their site and open to public view.
But get this, Microsoft got them to agree to a rule change so that instead of meeting and publishing minutes either monthly or quarterly they would now work on the basis of 6mth (can you say ‘keeping things under wraps’?).
That too in on the site and visible to public view.
Since then it’s gone very very quiet (as you may imagine).
None of this surprises me (and a little while ago, a few weeks back, there were reports of new Toshiba & Microsoft cooperation agreements).
I fully expect Microsoft to use the 51gb disc in their next console, it makes perfect sense from a security POV (you will never see a burner or blank media go on sale anywhere) and they own all the rights and so will not pay the BDA or Sony a cent.
(oh and on a side note Feb’s meeting mentions SD video cards, for anyone interested in what’s brewing there)
The HD DVD & Microsoft stuff is in Sept’s meeting minutes.
w.dvdforum.org/sc-meetingdetails.htm
Time will tell and it is of course possible things could change but it makes perfect sense to me.
I’d also point out that the rumours of a Toshiba Blu-ray player failed to be substantiated by anything solid.
According to the Japanese paper’s report Toshiba made an announcement.
We were also told that because of a Japanese public holiday we would not hear anything from Toshiba until the following week.
Weeks ago.
Odd, no?
Fake news to boost Blu-ray after a series of bad news for BD?
August 1st, 2009
Happyhockum:
or
harry sachz:
Is LevelHead the new name for the dying Xbot crew. Sad to see them spam like this i wish this damn website had any moderators. Sony is electronic…
August 1st, 2009
Ivan
If you’re going to keep that sort of sh*t up at least try and be funny with it, huh?
August 1st, 2009
Ivan Ygesia/roca/fallen angel/fuck you Andrew_DS, I can’t speak for happy, but I have only ever had one ID on this site. It’s a little hypocritical that you’re trying to accuse others of doing the shit that you’ve constantly been caught out doing.
August 2nd, 2009
It seems like LevelHead has reasoned, logical, well-balanced points even kevo can see.
Ivan, if you lightened up on the fan language (”Xbot”, “Gaybox/shitbox”, etc.) and focused instead on valid points I think you would come across better?
Roca,
“I think they are many PS3 games that look better/run better on the PS3 (…Tales of Vissperia)”
So what was your overall impression of Tales of Vesperia on PS3 vs 360 (you have played both and compared them side by side to make such a statement, correct)? I didn’t think it (or even a demo) was out yet for PS3 (it doesn’t even have a preorder date on any retail sites I’ve seen).
August 2nd, 2009
Bitch you know i don’t do gay shit like that so fuck that. I ain’t ever gonna use another other my Ivan_PSP name you just making up bullshit to try and save your ass but it fail mother fucker hahaha. Ya’ll bitches are all lying Xbots we all know you fags love making up shit espececially you harry you such a TOOL.
August 2nd, 2009
You still wished this site had moderators Ivan after your last post? It’s obvious you’re only capable of one-sided arguments, and even then it’s hard to decipher what you’re trying to say unless we too bang our heads against the wall or have been in a serious car accident such as yourself.
Go outside, get laid. It’s obvious you’ve been spending far too much time with just you and your black box.
I never understood the creator of the game Braid, Jonathan Blow. He went on record saying he wanted his game to be 800 points on XBL but felt pressure from Microsoft to charge 1200 points. Yet when it came out on the PC it was $20 and then quickly dropped to $15 after outcry on the Internet.
http://www.destructoid.com/jonathan-blow-talks-braid-pricing-98393.phtml
http://braid-game.com/news/?p=519
I imagine his game will sell far less on PSN and will likely be $15 even though it’s a year old.
August 2nd, 2009
Intelligence level personified ♠
August 2nd, 2009
So you’ve only used ‘Ivan_PSP’ huh? What about the time I asked ‘fallen_angel’ a question and you answered it?
How about the time I mentioned to roca about how he bought many ps2’s to level up in socom and he reminisced about it? Funny how you’re both so similar and did the same thing.
Give it up, idiot.
August 2nd, 2009
The fallen angle one was a classic
August 2nd, 2009
angel*
August 2nd, 2009
I only ever come in here as Happyhockum.
Multiple identities on the one blog are a tad on the laughably sad side if you ask me.
August 2nd, 2009
carlb.
i did play the Demo…. so i know what im talking about
August 2nd, 2009
Oh. So you meant to say “demo” instead of “game”. I see. Did you play the 360 version already? I just watched the HD demo, and it looks exactly the same as what I am currently playing. As for the extra character, a pirate girl, it doesn’t look like it is going to make that much of a difference in gameplay, but I would be surprised if they didn’t add anything in a year’s time.
August 2nd, 2009
I played both of the demos… I’m not a fan. It just seems like a sub par brawler with RPG elements and an anime art style.
August 2nd, 2009
Thats a shame, fun game, nice story line, likeable charcaters. You’re missing out imo
I only wish that it had outfit changes with armor.
August 2nd, 2009
Levelhead stated “DVD does have its limitations and we are seeing it in a FEW games. However since the PS3 isn’t dominating the market the lowest common denominator (both the Wii and Xbox 360) will ensure most games will continue to fit on 1 DVD. If the PS3 did come out like gangbusters then the Xbox 360 would be in a worse position but that’s not the case.”
That is one of the most well thought out sensible argument yet.
Bravo level, bravo.
August 3rd, 2009
I think it’s the battle system. It just doesn’t feel like there is a lot of strategy involved like an RPG should have.
August 3rd, 2009
why didn’t Mike address the many, many user created xbla downloaded games that the ps3 doesn’t get…..?
so say the ps3 is taking xbl /l games based on 3 examples seems very, very silly…
oops..sorry..didn’t mean to throw a fact into your fanboy rant… carry on…
August 3rd, 2009
Well thats true I suppose. With most of the bosses I ended up just pushing them to the edge of the arena and spamming them with my ’special moves’…
August 3rd, 2009
SW & Barnabe,
What the heck game are you guys talking about?? I can’t seem to find the info in amongst all the pointless, tedious essays in this thread.
-Arvis
August 3rd, 2009
Tales of Vesperia
August 3rd, 2009
I suppose if I were to list ToV strengths:
#1: Art Style. Anime is quality and fun to watch.
#2: Gameplay, even though there is the brawling aspect mixed in with the RPG. It’s an JARPG, so really no surprise.
#3: Voice acting, though some can be annoying.
Overall it’s a fun and still rather unique experience amongst this gen’s offerings so far.
August 3rd, 2009
I’m also just judging it from the demos. I didn’t like the demos for Dead Space and Valkyria, but I ended up loving both games. I might end up checking it out if it is released in a slow month… I’m just not entirely sold on it yet.
I did love the art style and the graphics though.
August 4th, 2009
Looks like Wardevil is going multiplatform. Not that the game interests me.
August 5th, 2009
that game is probably going to suck just like Too Human did. they have been making that game for too long
that game was suppose to come out the the Original Xbox back in 2004
August 5th, 2009
Have you played Too Human? It was a shitload of fun.
I read an article about 6 months ago from a former employee of the studio making Wardevil and he said that although it looked fantastic, they were only able to create one level in a very long amount of time.
August 6th, 2009
Yeah right Too Human suck.
And if you/anyone doesn’t believe me let me know i will give you the link where i downloaded the game for Xbox 360 ISO so you can download too and play it on your hack Xbox 360 and know what never to waste money Xbox 360 exclusives.
August 6th, 2009
^^ HARRY
who ever said that is full of shit.
I played Too human for like 30 mins, the lock on feature was horrible and the review for it was in the likes of Haze and Lair…so i returned it