PS3 closes gap between Xbox 360 in 2009 surprisingly
Sony has been having a difficult time this past year with the global economic crisis in full swing. Many CE companies are hit hard and Sony’s PS3 has been affected due to its high price tag. However, according to reports it seems like Sony has managed to close the widening gap between the Xbox 360 and the PS3.
The PS3 is a beast of a game system as it will run you $400 currently, while its competitor the Xbox 360 will run you as low as $200. The high price tag of the PS3 has been one of the system’s greatest challenges. However, despite the high price tag of the PS3, sales from a pure revenue perspective have been impressive considering the cost and economic situation.
According to Gamezine, back in 2008 the Xbox 360 sold approximately 28.5 million units globally while the PS3 sold 21.4 million with a difference of 7.1 million units. Interestingly enough, in 2008 both Sony and Microsoft ended up selling approximately the same amount of units (10.8m) for the entire year.
As it turns out the PS3 has managed to close the 7.1 million gap between the Xbox 360 in 2009 by a bit. According to Gameindustry.biz, official numbers indicate that Sony has sold almost 24 million units globally to date. Also, according to Microsoft, the company has now surpassed 30 million units shipped globally. This is very surprising as it means that the gap between the PS3 and Xbox 360 has been reduced to somewhere between 5 and 6 million units.
Since Microsoft is talking about shipped figures, I doubt that it will be 6 million, so something in the mid to high 5 million sounds about right. The burning question on my mind is – where in the world did Sony sell all those PS3s this year?
In contrast to last year where the PS3 ended up outselling the Xbox 360 for half the year in the US, in 2009 according to NPD the Xbox 360 has been outselling the PS3. Clearly, Sony is not selling more than the Xbox 360 in the US so that leads me to believe that the PS3 must be consistently selling more than the Xbox 360 in Europe, and of course Japan.
I would really be interested to see Microsoft’s actual sell numbers rather than shipped figures. Since Microsoft only reports shipped figures (unless its to boast during an event like E3), we may have to hold our breath on this one.
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August 4th, 2009
Wow Mike that’s unbelievable.
I wonder if you’ll get the same answer if you added up the sales quarter by quarter.
August 4th, 2009
Mike, aren’t you the one who likes to reiterate about how much sales figures don’t mean to you? If that’s the case, why are you posting a story like this?
August 4th, 2009
Trying to stir up the hornet’s nest are we Mike?(lol)
August 4th, 2009
He’s going for a new comment record.
August 4th, 2009
Ha ha, I can already see the hard core X-boys nashing there teeth and calling you the anti-christ, while drooling there Rage at the comp-screen. Ha ha
August 4th, 2009
Well it’s like this….ZZZZZZZZZZ. Hm what, where am I?
August 4th, 2009
@harry,
because the story’s gold, and its quite baffling in defying the odds kinda way.
Interesting nevertheless…
August 4th, 2009
@harry,
“He’s going for a new comment record.”
Lol.. you know me too well
August 4th, 2009
Jonothan Schlafer still holds that crown.
August 4th, 2009
im just curious to see how well ps3 sells when ff13 comes out this winter in japan
August 4th, 2009
with a price drop witch might not happen, (considering psp2 will be $250 but is a launch price)
umm you could see a massive gap close or a lead with the ps3…dont want to sound like a fanboy but
YIPPY!!….do u 360 ppl want to hear the story about the little engine that could..n’t stop getting the rrod haha, but yeah the 30 mil or whatever 360’s out there, alot are replacement models oh and thats my psn ppl if u wanna add ill be back online asap PEACE
August 4th, 2009
Sony tells the true about what they sold while Microsoft lies about it wow can’t wait for Google to obliterate them to dust. Soon the PlayStation outsell the Xbox 360 worldwide a matter of time.
I don’t know why Microsoft has to add Red Light of Death and e74 console as resold they are not new.
Finally something fresh keep it Mikey/Mike
This war ain’t over till Sony says so they better get ready for extinction. Also i read they lower the PS3 manufacturing cost down $200. Which can only be good news for PS2/Xbox/Xbox 360/Wii owners waiting to upgrade to a next gen console.
Kudos to Mike…
August 4th, 2009
You have to be the biggest blabbering idiot I have ever come into contact with. Do you really believe what you type?
August 4th, 2009
How can Ivan believe what he types when he cant even read? And even if he could read, his RANDOM SENTENCE GENERATOR (with the most exclusive words and best paragraphs) makes it impossible to understand.
And WOW. sony have reduces the gap to MS from 7m to about 5 or 6 million. At this rate they will have sold about the same as MS by 2015. Which oddly enough is when sony will look at releasing there next gen console.
And Ivan is right. The war will not be over until sony says so. And what will they say? ‘We surrender’ thats what. If MS or Ninty don’t make any bigger fools of them then interestingly, and Ivan brought this up, Google might. If they decide to enter the console race then it could be game over for a few out there.
Mind at least the ps4th has printer support! WTF
August 4th, 2009
Andrew_DS:
You so corny…We all know you got Dyslexia. Go play your gay DS since you can’t afford anything else.
harry sachz:
I’m glad to see you are Down syndrome. LMFAO & Gay WTF were your parent doing.
Google can’t even beat Wii if enter why well way late to the war and no gaming experience plus Google already works with Sony in Life with PlayStation and the web browser. We have them as friends while the rest are PRAY.
August 4th, 2009
harry – it would be wise to disregard this article. Mike’s math is off, but it’s Mike…what do you expect? fact? not gonna happen….
he’s a raging fanboy….. what further proof do you need…
the point he likes to ignore is that sony should be outselling the competition by a margin of at LEAST 3 to 1 due to their “loyal userbase” that sony likes to brag about….
it’ll be funny to watch mike ignore the sales numbers at the end of the year when, once again, the 360 stomps the ps3 into oblivion….
August 4th, 2009
Harry, Me_, Happy and Kev
you probably dont want to see the “sales thread”
but when Mike post the US NPD numbers you guys are the first one to start running your mouth and caiming victory on M$ because they had better sales numbers in the “STATES” during a month.
But when you see the Real number and how the PS3 is doing better WORLDWIDE you guys are the first one to say act like you dont care about numbers. stop being fake to ur self.
August 4th, 2009
mike – can you explain why EVERY gaming site has the ps3 sales falling from last year and the 360 increasing from last year, yet according to you the ps3 is closing the gap…?
must’ve been sick the day they taught math at your school…. lol…
the ps3 isn’t doing “better worldwide”, roca…. if it were, sony would be screaming it from the rooftops….
August 4th, 2009
“You so corny…We all know you got Dyslexia”
@Ivan
Kettle meet pot! Ivan you the have the worst written English I have ever laid eyes on! Please stop making an idiot out of yourself. You’re your own worst enemy! It’s cool that you like the PS3 and all, but you make an ass out of yourself with the comments you make. Try complimenting the PS3 without basing everything else in a grade school manner.
August 4th, 2009
kev:
Mike is right stop hating please. Xbox 360 recounts sales from dead consoles.
Plus i highly doubt Microsoft is being truthful about their worldwide unit sold.
I also think Sony cut the manufacturing coste for the PS3 a long time ago but decided not to say anything until now to make some money while saying they don’t is business. I hope my theory is correct and not just my wishful imagination.
2008 if Microsoft was making a profit it was to pay for the E74 and massive hardware failures Red Ring of Death also Hard Drive crashers. Unlike Microsoft, Sony didn’t have any hardware problems that became a profit problem like Microsoft has with all their product.
August 4th, 2009
Kev,
“the ps3 isn’t doing “better worldwide”, roca…. if it were, sony would be screaming it from the rooftops….”
let me brake it down for you, because ur Math skills are still at a 3rd grade level.
November 2006:
360: 10 million units
PS3: 0 units
360 lead : 10 millions units over the PS3
August 2009:
360: 30.4 million units
PS3: 23.8 million units
360 lead: 6.6 million units over the PS3
which console has sold better Kev….do ur math or google itor something since you get all ur “facts” from google.
August 4th, 2009
Mike these guys have called you out so badly and you look like a hipocrite. But that’s OK because your claiming 2009 victory in August 09 LOL. Like Arron Greenburgh said once it’s probably sales fugures of stock sitting in a cargo ship off China. LOL
August 4th, 2009
“Arron Greenburgh said once it’s probably sales fugures of stock sitting in a cargo ship off China”
every Arron Greenburgh comments are full of shit. and you know it CAD so dont make ur self look as stupid as Arron Greenburgh
August 4th, 2009
“Aaron Greenburg said once it’s probably sales figures of stock sitting in a cargo ship off China.”
Yeah, they’re next to the three cargo ships full of broken 360’s.
August 4th, 2009
“Yeah, they’re next to the three cargo ships full of broken 360’s.”
Ouch.
August 4th, 2009
I know, I think I’ll get in trouble for that.
August 4th, 2009
Well I have been saying this for a few years now… I’ll buy the champagne when the day finally comes… in a few months.
August 4th, 2009
@ Knighthawk – “Kettle meet pot” Ha ha I love it. So true. The ironic thing is if I WAS dyslexic I would probably have a better chance of understanding Ivan.
But please lets all cut him some slack here. Remember he did confess that he went to school in Brooklyn. So he was always going to be a little way behind everyone else. And his body is struggling to maintain that top lip “flavor saver” he has desperately been trying to grow since puberty kicked in last year.
August 4th, 2009
Barnabe – If the champers is for when the ps4th catches the 360 in sales, it may go flat. Drink it now while sony are keeping their head above water.
August 4th, 2009
lock_down:
Roca.:
phranctoast:
LoL Nice one is sad that you correct they all already shipped broken.
Barnabe Jones:
I will bring the champagne it will be very soon.
Andrew_DS:
Again you are so corny lame joker. You sound like those kids that i got beat up for being like you being now a ignorant lowlife loser with dyslexia. I know one thing for sure any idiot can be smarter then your mentally challenge small dying brain.
CAD:
Just sht the fuck up you Xbots are all crying little bitches. Stop the DENIAL morons you all know Mike is correct.
August 4th, 2009
i think he better wait until it happens…the wait wont be long
August 4th, 2009
lol some body is on steriods
August 4th, 2009
Yes that was quite funny but it will be funnier when the sales fugures don’t add up to the stats. Sony is famous for telling lies. It’s already noted that the 360 is over 1 Million in sales in Europe over the PS3 and that it is definately leading in he USA so when the once again Sony Web of lies gets revealed it will truly be LOL event. Like Kev said everyone is reporting that 360 as gaining sales year over year and it is the opposite for the PS3. So really it will be a no brainer what will hapen at the end of this year much like every other year that the 360 has trounced the PS3.
August 4th, 2009
Ah the random sentence generator has spoken once again. LOL I love that phrase for Ian.
August 4th, 2009
Ivan
August 4th, 2009
“Sony is famous for telling lies”
Ask M$ if the RRoD issue has been fixed? you will get a whole bunch of funny lies. but what you’ll never get is a straight answer
August 4th, 2009
Last I remembered there is a 3 Year Warrenty in place and your 360 is fixed in 3 days. Roca you should really keep up with the News.
August 4th, 2009
3 year warranty does not cover E74 error, or disc scratcher feature…
3 year warranty means they havent fixed shit.
3 days for them to place ur order. so thats the real news.
August 4th, 2009
Roca,
3 year warranty now covers E74 errors as well.
While this is great that MS is doing this, you got to really ask………Did they really have a choice?
The terrible hardware would have single handedly ruin the Xbox brand name.
It also shows that not only did they have that original RROD hardware failure that was bad enough to warrant and free fix, but another fairly bad hardware failure which they had to extend to as well. All in all the 360 is technically…..a piece of shit.
August 4th, 2009
Andrew_DS:
“sony have reduces the gap to MS from 7m to about 5 or 6 million”
People who live in glass houses should not through stones!
August 4th, 2009
im pretty sure the E74 it is under the 1-Manufactures warraty, but not under the 3-year-RRoD warranty
August 4th, 2009
@Kev:
“mike – can you explain why EVERY gaming site has the ps3 sales falling from last year and the 360 increasing from last year, yet according to you the ps3 is closing the gap…?”
You are a retard. Your father must have down syndrome. Every other site is only counting US sales. The US isn’t the end all be all. World sales are what matters.
August 4th, 2009
ncaissie – there’s a reason why Mike isn’t using Sony reported sales numbers, nor MS reported sales numbers. this “article” is complete and utter B.S….
then again, it got the sony fanboys riled up…. so far the 360 is waaay ahead of the ps3 in all areas excluding japan… where the wii is crushing ps3 sales….
personal insults? wow..i wish i could say i was suprised… but that’s all you ps3 fanboys have. you have no data. no facts.
btw; North America is the single largest gaming market. conquer na and you conquer the world. the gaming industry has ALWAYS followed this rule. you must be new to this gaming thing… good luck with that….
August 4th, 2009
ROCA – just shut up. the E74 is covered. call 18004myxbox, check and then come back and apologize…
for the record; ms doesn’t count repairs as sales, as the repairs don’t go through the point of sale. sony was smart last gen by ignoring the ps2 problems, forcing consumers to go to the point of sale, buy a second and third ps2, so sony could count those sales to pad their numbers. dishonest? yes, but it’s sony…what did you expect…
August 4th, 2009
CAD:”Last I remembered there is a 3 Year Warrenty in place and your 360 is fixed in 3 days. Roca you should really keep up with the News.”
And after 3 years?
Sorry but I like my things to last more then three years.
Also, Good luck selling a 3 year old 360. LOL What a POS. (the 360 not you).
August 4th, 2009
phranc – if the 360 is technically a piece of crap, why do developers have a better time developing for it than the ps3?
actually the ps3 is a piece of crap of a gaming console as it was never deisned to be a gaming console first…a bluray player…that can play games… that’s how Kuturagi described it and he created the monstrosity known as the ps3…. i wonder how he likes being unemployed…. lol…
August 4th, 2009
phranc: “All in all the 360 is technically…..a piece of shit.”
Exactly! MS should replace it with a lifetime warranty and then I would buy one.
And don’t bother saying after it’s fixed you don’t have to worry any more because I have seen people return them up to 6 times!
August 4th, 2009
mike – you know… i used to like coming here for some gaming facts and to learn about what’s going on in the gaming biz.
Unfortunately, you’ve degraded into fanboy fantasy and straight up lies. You claim the ps3 is the same price as the 360. Now you claim the ps3 is closing the gap in sales, with no data. You claim sales mean nothing to you, then post an article like this….*sigh*
lucky for me, i’ve found a more reputable gaming site that’s not blocked at work. I think i’ll leave this sony circle jerk and let the Rocas and Ivans run this place… you must be so proud…..
best of luck. enjoy your ps4th…. hype this article, mike. The end of the year sales numbers are going to be a very, very rude awakening for you…..
you are shining example of why kids should not be left alone with the internet…
Enjoy, kiddies… and remember…keep the lies coming…
August 4th, 2009
Kev: “then again, it got the sony fanboys riled up…. ”
LOL it got the xbots riled up, Not us.
I think it’s funny watching you guys flip out over the article.
August 4th, 2009
Is that all you got? I say something about how bad the 360 hardware is and your retort is about game development. Wow.
And btw, I said shit, not crap. Someone so fluent in semantics should be able to distinguish.
Answer me this one question kev.
Is the 360 the worst consumer electronics device ever made as far as hardware is concerned?
August 4th, 2009
lol Kev do you just copy and paste these comments from your commenting history? That whole comment sounds very familiar.
August 4th, 2009
“btw; North America is the single largest gaming market. conquer na and you conquer the world. the gaming industry has ALWAYS followed this rule. you must be new to this gaming thing… good luck with that….”
LOL tell that to the people in China an Japan!
They are the biggest market.
August 4th, 2009
‘I think i’ll leave this sony circle jerk and let the Rocas and Ivans run this place… you must be so proud….. ‘
Thank fuck for that.
So, we playing the biscuit game or what?..
August 4th, 2009
*Edited
(http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24678)
August 4th, 2009
See I told you it was a Sony lie. Sony loves to twist things.
August 4th, 2009
wtf
August 4th, 2009
@CAD,
I’ve edited your comment, don’t post complete articles just links in comments section.
But thats a very interesting article, thanks for that, although it has nothing to do with my article as its not about sales today but forecasting up to 2011.
Not sure how Sony is twisting things, how else can you do a 3 year forecasting? You calculate that your system will sell consistently at the same rate.
I find linear modeling interesting as the article points out it was dead on for the PS2 but it can be wrong for systems like the Xbox and Gamecube.
Linear modeling depends on a single factor that sales remain consistent throughout the life of the system.
It was interesting that Sony’s linear modeling revealed that the PS3 was is selling at a faster rate then 360 globally inadvertently.
Thanks for the find.
August 4th, 2009
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August 4th, 2009
with a price drop witch might not happen, (considering psp2 will be $250 but is a launch price)
umm you could see a massive gap close or a lead with the ps3…dont want to sound like a fanboy but
YIPPY!!….do u 360 ppl want to hear the story about the little engine that could..n’t stop getting the rrod haha, but yeah the 30 mil or whatever 360’s out there, alot are replacement models
August 4th, 2009
Oh Mike I hate you for that
OK but if you follow the link it is basically saying that the fugures used by Sony to project these numbers were put together on a linear graph which does not portray a true representation of the numbers.
Here are a few comments from the article:
“We asked Gamasutra’s stats whiz Matt Matthews to investigate an interesting Sony PR-forwarded claim on game hardware sales — and as he notes: ‘Linear modeling is fun and easy — but also of limited value for extensive extrapolation.”
“It’s likely that the TVG authors weren’t trying to do a rigorous market analysis, but it should be pointed out that a linear model, as they used to estimate forward, isn’t always ideal, especially when one uses it to extrapolate too far away from the known data.”
“I’m not discounting linear models — they’re terribly useful in certain situations — but they also have their limits, just like any other idealization. We can’t know that the linear models in the Total Video Games article won’t be right, but there is ample reason to be very skeptical.”
August 4th, 2009
Sir Chubs Alot? Lol.. going through some kind of crisis kevo?
August 4th, 2009
i bet ff13 will move ps3 consoles real well in japan this christmas
August 4th, 2009
yeah mike it wasn’t posting any of my comments so by crisis im asumming thats what you meant but yeah that’s my psn…feel free to add mike or anyone for that matter im still awaiting my router in the mail so in due time my friends in due time lol
August 4th, 2009
@CAD,
I think asking Sony to predict when sales will tank and predict when sales will surge will be unrealistic..
I would assume you would use the avg. selling rate to project three years.
Not sure how else Sony would do their sales forecasting up to 2011?
But to be fair, all companies do linear forecasting even Microsoft.
*On a side note, not to get confused this has nothing to do with confirmed global sales for PS3 or Xbox 360 from my article.
August 4th, 2009
yeah the forcast for sony in the past was rainy but in the future it looks very sunny…you have to experience the rainy days before you can appreciate the sunny ones lol
August 4th, 2009
This just gets funnier and funnier.
The cheek of the Sony support now quibbling about ’shipped’ figues, when that was for a long long time the Sony tactic.
We do sometimes see Japanese numbers and it is a fact that Xbox 360 actually out-sold PS3 a few times and on many other occasions the gap was a couple of thousand.
Sadly they are all playing a game where independant verifiable stats are not so easy to come by.
We do occasionally get European numbers (from neither Microsoft or Sony) and lately they have been showing Xbox in a healthy and growing lead.
Just as is the case in the USA.
Kevo
You made the claim so go ahead & prove it.
Prove that there are a stack of idiots going out and buying a brand new Xbox instead of getting Microsoft to replace them under the 3yr warranty and that this is responsible for a significant chunk of those Xbox sales.
As if.
August 4th, 2009
I’d give that Veronica Belmont from PlayStation Qore heavy showers.
August 4th, 2009
“ROCA – just shut up. the E74 is covered. call 18004myxbox, check and then come back and apologize…”
@Kev I thought the # was:
1-800-Fix-my-Dead-xbox
August 4th, 2009
@ HAPPY
“that Xbox 360 actually out-sold PS3 a few times and on many other occasions the gap was a couple of thousand.”
couple of thousands huh? well PS3 has manage to cut the lead by 3.4 millions. how many couple of thounsands M$ to get those back?
August 4th, 2009
CAD,
Sony prediction does not have anything to do with ACTUAL sales.
August 4th, 2009
@ Happy
yeah my bad i was just shaking the hornets nest lol but hey for all the ps3 owners that hasn’t updated the latest firmware that isn’t mandatory to 2.80 i just read that it allows the ps3 uses more of it’s RAM cause Naughty Dog said uncharted 2 be the first game to utilize this “extra RAM”…which means the game will look and run very nicely
plus developers will eventually stop their bitching cause the ps3 will be easier to develop for with more RAM…any more brain busters out there?? lol
August 4th, 2009
No install for uncharted also…
Naughty Dog is also letting every first party developer use their graphics and texture codes for future games. Guerrilla is already working in a New IP, So is Insomniac and Incognito.
August 4th, 2009
yeah i hope that means no more installs for future games lol
August 4th, 2009
@lock_down
You just know she’d be into the freakiest shit too.
*puts the cleanex away*
August 4th, 2009
Roca
You haven’t (and neither has Mike for that matter) really got any solid Xbox numbers.
You were quoting a 7 million gap in the last thread and I showed how you were out by almost a million with Sony’s own numbers.
Your problem here is you don’t have similarly up-to-date Microsoft numbers.
That 30 million number is from reports dated late May (so the numbers must have been collated before that).
That means the number is at least 2 months out of date and possibly a whole quarter.
At the rate Xbox has been selling (especially in the UK & Europe) since Sept 2008 that is not an insignificant number.
(It also has to be said in fairness that Sony’s 23.8 million PS3 number was dated 30th June.)
Kevo
I doubt it’ll add up to too much, I’d lay odds it’s really just the natural and perfectly normal progression in making better softwares/tools for devs.
Which is undoubtedly something both platforms will be demonstrating for the next few years (until the focus moves on to the next consoles).
August 4th, 2009
Left 4 Dead DLC due in September..(cough) right before Left 4 Dead 2 hit the shelves.
but here is where it gets weird:
“The new DLC will be free of charge for PC gamers. Xbox 360 owners, however, will need to shell out 560 MS Points ($7)”
M$ did it again, and then u xbox are complaining about the PSN bandwith fee which has nothing to with the consumer
August 4th, 2009
^^ i tought M$ learned its lessons after EPIC got was about to stop supporting M$ because they were charging for free map packs
HAPPY, both numbers and up to date.
I thinkg your post are dated back in May also
August 4th, 2009
No one is complaining about the Bandwith fee. We just point it out when you complain that your not getting certain things on PSN that exsist on LIVE.
August 4th, 2009
how much is bandwith fee like 16 cents a gig or so right?
August 4th, 2009
like what CAD? a stupid DEMO? ur still on that….
I believe the PSN get more stuff that XBL on a weekly basis
-2 to 5 downloadable games (PSN Games, PS1 games, PSP games)
-5 to 10 game trailers/videos
-2 to 5 wallpapers
-2 to 3 XMB themes
-your usual LBP DLC, some are free
-some Free DLC (Motorstorm, Naturo:NS, Resistance 2, Flock!, etc)
-ur usual Rockband/Guitar Hero DLC
-Qore w/free stuff from “other developers”
-PSP Themes
-PSP wallpapers
August 4th, 2009
“I believe the PSN get more stuff that XBL on a weekly basis”
Yeah, that’s about right, “I believe”, like a religion fanboy, right?
S’funny, I got 1/2 a gig of free Halo 3 extra DLC last week.
There’s stacks of free stuff on XBL.
August 4th, 2009
XBL couldn’t pay me enough to download anything Halo related.
August 4th, 2009
“S’funny, I got 1/2 a gig of free Halo 3 extra DLC last week.”
lol do you really want me to list all the free stuff I have got on the PSN? hope you dont.
August 4th, 2009
Pre-ordering Gran Turismo PSP bonuses:
* Bugatti Veyron 16.4 ‘09
* Ferrari Enzo Ferrari ‘02
* Citroen GT by Citroen ‘08
* NISSAN GT-R Spec V (R35) ‘09
* Lamborghini Countach LP400 ‘74
I can’t wait to race my ‘98 Accord against these cars.
August 4th, 2009
Ivan/Roca
Your tedious and pointless lists aside you’re the one gurning that you “believe” we don’t get much free stuff on XBL.
That’s patent cr@p.
August 4th, 2009
come again…. half a gig of crap for free thats all u can come up with….they gotta feed their xbots with something right? I mean, all the shit you talk must come from some where.
while ill be getting the L4D DLC free on the PC you going to have to sell ur ass or suck ur daddys balls to get it. (wonder what is the benefit from being a Gold member, paying for pay stuff that PC owner are getting for FREE?)
August 4th, 2009
MIKE after shouting everyone down that sales mean nothing (incidently after the monthly sales figures) you jump on an article like this???
PATHETIC
August 4th, 2009
CON,
this is news he aint braggin about it, or arguing with each other like u guys do.
August 4th, 2009
Nice try but however youy try to spin it PS3 is decidely in 3rd and last place in the console sales battle.
End of.
August 4th, 2009
@CON.
Mike probably really doesn’t give a shit, but that doesn’t mean people here don’t and it won’t see at least 150 posts.
August 4th, 2009
Barnabee wtf lmao
August 4th, 2009
….yet still has managed to out sell the 360 sales per year of operation.
August 4th, 2009
I like to race using my car. The ‘98 Accord is the one must have car in GT PSP for me.
August 4th, 2009
Who cares, most of the free stuff is crap.
The rest is over priced. I won’t pay for Home add-ons and themes.
The game demos are great though.
I don’t think Sony making the software companies pay for the downloads is doing any good for us. I think it deters them from offering most stuff and we pay for it other ways like paying more for download games and add-ons.
August 4th, 2009
Roca is a RAMDOM LIST GENERATOR
August 4th, 2009
Barnabe Jones:
Yeah Gran Turismo for PSP is gonna be awesome like God of War: Chains of Olympus and Daxter and many more were. I hope they add a lot of cross play with Gran Turismo 5. I remember when i saw the Gran Turismo 5 trailer with NASCAR it was awesome that’s when i decided i need to own these games no matter what.
My three dream sport cars
Lamborghini Reventon
Bugatti Veyron
Ferrari Enzo
August 4th, 2009
Stop the clocks ladies and gentlemen, for Mr. Peter Moore is officially posting on the PS Blog
blog.us.playstation.com/2009/08/04/no-win-like-a-sports-win/
Hell hath just frozen over
August 4th, 2009
@ncaissie
has there been one instance where we had to pay more for anything downloadable on psn compared to xbl?
August 4th, 2009
that guy has actually turned EA over from being an Evil company to being good a what they do.
Activision on the other hands is becoming a money sucker…5 Guitar/badn hero games in one year….raising the price for CoD: MW2 in the UK. I meant WTF!!!!?
August 4th, 2009
“has there been one instance where we had to pay more for anything downloadable on psn compared to xbl?”
the other way around…
August 4th, 2009
“I don’t think Sony making the software companies pay for the downloads is doing any good for us. I think it deters them from offering most stuff.”
Well it’s not going to deter them from putting the whole PSP catalogue on PSN.
I wonder how charges are being handled for the whole catalogue of PSP games that are coming? Sony couldn’t promote and launch a fully digital service without third parties knowing what the costs were.
August 4th, 2009
“that guy has actually turned EA over from being an Evil company to being good a what they do”
There we are, the proof that you’re an outrageously one-eyed fanboy out of your f*cking mind.
August 4th, 2009
^^^ WTF are you talking about..find something else to do kid!
August 4th, 2009
Roca I offically announce you as the Official Bolrge Troll. Now generate anoter list for us.
August 4th, 2009
When was the last time ps3 beat xbox in their monthly npd sales???
Xbox has been increasing their lead month by month, year by year according to the npd stats so I simply don’t believe this fanboy rubbish.
August 4th, 2009
CON
I know. Ever since the price drop which was like September 2008 the PS3 has never beat the 360 on a month to month basis. It’s all fanboy fluff.
August 4th, 2009
September you say???
As in the month that follows this month???
August 4th, 2009
The article is talking globally tho isn’t it?
Gotta remember that those japs buy 15 of the same device…
Not to mention Ivan and his BlinGGGGGG-Unit buying 2.3 million consoles (he’s loaded).
August 4th, 2009
Oh, I should point out that I am not agreeing with the article because I don’t follow NPD sales let alone world wide sales. But just felt like I should point out that if NPD numbers don’t agree with Mike thats because Mike may be talking about another source
August 4th, 2009
Roca
“WTF are you talking about”
I’m saying that you’d have to be some sort of mentalist to seriously claim EA games are “good”.
Short, laughably shallow and often buggy as hell is more like it…..look at how they bought up & then ruined the C&C series.
You have to be out of your f*cking mind to pretend otherwise, fanboy fool.
August 4th, 2009
Sorry happy have to say they did a pretty good job with C&C in my opinion. Red Alert was fantastic
August 4th, 2009
’sort of mentalist’
You just totally reminded me of Alan Partridge.
Man I’ve gotta watch that again sometime.
August 4th, 2009
‘Sorry happy have to say they did a pretty good job with C&C in my opinion.’
If you’re talking RA 1 & 2 sure, they were developed by Westwood.
I think everything since EA took the franchise completey have been terrible run of the mill, middle of the road RTS shite.
*hugs supreme commander* I still have one awesome RTS.
August 4th, 2009
CON
What SW said.
Westwood ruled, EA tend to have a reverse Midas touch.
IMHO, of course……but I think it’s a view shared by a hell of a lot of people.
August 4th, 2009
Okay but what exactly was so bad about red alert 3?
August 4th, 2009
Isn’t Ric Flair in Red Alert 3? WOOOO!!
August 4th, 2009
CON
Personally I tried Xbox RA3 for about 15 minutes, hated it and eBayed it and bought the PC version instead.
I know that’s mainly a consoles and PC thing with RTS games but I did think the game was far too short, did nothing new (which isn’t the worst problem for me, I have loved C&C since the 1st one) and was far too much of the usual EA glitzy polish but no real substance.
If you enjoyed it rock on but for me I thought it was a real let-down.
Maybe it’s just me but I’ve been hoping things would get better since Generals Zero Hour.
Tiberium Wars & Kanes Wrath were similar, I bought it cos you do if you enjoy the series but it’s when you’ve done it it’s still less than as satisfying as hoped.
August 4th, 2009
“Okay but what exactly was so bad about red alert 3?”
Nothing.
What’s with them pumping out C&C4 so early though? They may as well call it C&C 09.
August 4th, 2009
you xbots whine for eveything…Gosh!
just shut up and accept reality.
August 4th, 2009
Roca
We’ll see who’s going to be whining once the next set of global Xbox numbers come out.
In fact the next NPDs won’t be long in coming.
They’ll (continue) to make interesting reading.
If NPD is anything to go by (and it is) the PS3 is not in fact closing up at all.
Quite the reverse.
In mainland Europe, the UK and the USA we have numbers showing Xbox pulling ahead.
The best you can manage is to hold up Japan (and even that’s only on some weeks).
All this thread has relied upon is an out-of-date Microsoft comment and what Sony said in their last quarterly statement.
Neither of which are exactly what you’d call independant and verifiable.
Of course if one believes that the PS3 really is doing so amazingly well (according to the likes of you and Mike here) that would have any reasonable person wondering what Activision CEO Bobby Kotick was on about.
If everything is going so incredibly well what was he on about – and why was Stringer publicly saying he couldn’t afford a price cut?
It’s not like Kotick is alone either, Tecmo-Koei CEO Kenji Matsubara has also called for Sony to move and EA Sports boss Peter Moore told Bloomberg (the financial & business channel) “Sony obviously still has a ways to go with their pricing”.
Now, if everything is goping so incredibly well that PS3 really is catching up to Xbox so fast why are all these people making public statements that would have one believe the opposite?
It’s obvious.
They know the facts.
PS3 is not only in last place sales wise but it sells fewer games and the gap is growing not closing.
August 4th, 2009
This is just a silly article.
August 5th, 2009
EA > Craptivision
August 5th, 2009
@Happyhockum,
“All this thread has relied upon is an out-of-date Microsoft comment and what Sony said in their last quarterly statement.”
Let me clarify Xbox 360 30 mil. shipped was confirmed 5/28/09 and PS3 24 mil. sold was confirmed 6/30/2009, a mere month apart.
Its pretty solid data guys.
@harry,
Why is it a silly article? Don’t you find it fascinating/interesting the PS3 somehow closed the gap since 2008? This is good stuff..who would have thunk it.
August 5th, 2009
To be fair, I was thinking/saying it all along. And I find it even more interesting considering the year head start the 360 had. Good stuff.
August 5th, 2009
Sony still has a little ways to go. I guess time will tell? But I think in the future people are going to be buying more PS3’s? I think people just could not justify paying that much for one in the beginning that’s the only reason it’s not doing better. But like the old saying goes “you get what you pay for”.
August 5th, 2009
I’m going to be honest guys, I hope that the PS3 and 360 to reach parity with each other in sales and stay neck in neck for the next seven years.
Msft and Sony would keep pushing themselves to become innovative, and competitive price wise. I think that would be the ultimate scenario for a healthy hardcore video game ecosystem.
August 5th, 2009
@Mike
I agree
Sony has been fighting a uphill battle since it’s release, I would think that would be enough cause for them to be innovative, and to make even better games?
August 5th, 2009
Roca if you think that PSN gets more content weekly then you should check out DLC Royal Rumble at Videogamer dot com. That’s why the 360 is having an amazing run week after week. PSN is a want to be LIVE that’s why PSN copied LIVE’s feature with every update.
August 5th, 2009
@ mike,
It’s silly for the following reasons.
NPD June results – 360 outsells PS3 by 75,900 units
NPD May results – 360 outsells PS3 by 44,000 units
NPD April results – 360 outsells PS3 by 48,000 units
NPD March results – 360 outsells PS3 by 112,000
NPD February results – 360 outsells PS3 by 115,000 units
NPD January results – 360 outsells PS3 by 106,000 units
NPD December results – 360 outsells PS3 by 714,000 (!!!!!) units
NPD November results – 360 outsells PS3 by 458,000 units
So just by adding those 8 months worth of sales data in the largest gaming market in the world (The US) the 360 has outsold the PS3 by 1.67 million units, and that isn’t even the entire year’s worth of data.
Apart from Japan, sales are pretty much neck-a-neck or 360 is slightly in front.
This data alone reiterates my point that your article is silly. Are you really trying to convince us that despite this particular evidence, the PS3 somehow sold a few million more units than the 360?
This article is an insult to everyone’s intelligence.
August 5th, 2009
@harry,
Couple corrections – You have December and November sales from 2008 in there which make up the bulk of your total.
Reread my article and even the source article. PS3 and Xbox 360 sold approx. 10.8 million in 2008 – almost exactly the same amount.
How is the article insulting your intelligence? Its not difficult to understand and comprehend.
August 5th, 2009
So if they sold the exact amount, how is it that your article is saying that they have ‘closed the gap’?
August 5th, 2009
come on man.. get wit the program
excerpt from the article a-top:
“According to Gamezine, back in 2008 the Xbox 360 sold approximately 28.5 million units globally while the PS3 sold 21.4 million with a difference of 7.1 million units. Interestingly enough, in 2008 both Sony and Microsoft ended up selling approximately the same amount of units (10.8m) for the entire year.
As it turns out the PS3 has managed to close the 7.1 million gap between the Xbox 360 in 2009 by a bit. According to Gameindustry.biz, official numbers indicate that Sony has sold almost 24 million units globally to date. Also, according to Microsoft, the company has now surpassed 30 million units shipped globally. This is very surprising as it means that the gap between the PS3 and Xbox 360 has been reduced to somewhere between 5 and 6 million units.”
August 5th, 2009
*disclaimer:
“Let me clarify Xbox 360 30 mil. shipped was confirmed 5/28/09 and PS3 24 mil. sold was confirmed 6/30/2009, a mere month apart.”
August 5th, 2009
Yeah ok, so they’re saying that in the past 8 months the gap has closed by a couple of million? How is that possible when the 360 has been outselling the PS3 for the past year in the largest market (the US), and apart from Japan, figures else where have been pretty much neck-a-neck?
August 5th, 2009
It does not make sense.
Time to whip out the Chewbacca defense. And why would a wookie want to live on Endor with those 3 foot ewoks? IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
August 5th, 2009
@harry,
Its crazy.. but it seems to be true. Thats what makes it so interesting. Those Europeans must be peddling them PS3s.
Seems like your original prediction came true about the comments.. lol
August 5th, 2009
hah true. What was Jonathan’s record anyway?
August 5th, 2009
yes, sony’s games division is doing so well they managed to report a drop in sales by 48% over last year for Q1: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/09q1_sony.pdf (page 16)
or an annual drop of sales by 17% over 2008 – although they did manage to improve operating income by halving their loss. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/8ido180000023g2o-att/SonyAR09-E.pdf
Now to be fair MS don’t seem to be doing that well either, although it is harder to isolate out the gaming side, as it is thrown in with their entire entertainment division. http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY09/earn_rel_q4_09.mspx
August 5th, 2009
But adding up the official annual shipping figures by MS, they have shipped 33.3 million 360s as of June 30th, which brings the lead back up to over 9million, or 11.2million xbox 360s for 2009 compared to 10.06 million PS3s. That doesn’t look much like a decrease in lead to me, or? How about doing a bit of your own research and look at the original data, instead of relying on third parties to digest it for you?
August 5th, 2009
Mike
PS3 had about 2 or 3 quarters of better sales in the USA & Europe in Q1, Q2 & Q3 of 2008.
Since then it has stalled out so badly that several figures in the dev industry have publicly called for action from Sony to prevent a rout.
Last time we had continental European numbers Xbox was 1 million ahead & pulling away, ditto the last lot of UK numbers.
The USA has done little but show Xbox ahead for a full year now.
Only Japan remains as a PS3 strong-hold.
August 5th, 2009
I really believe you article is wrong and misleading to believe something as a fact when its just unverified information.
1.I don’t think sony reported selling 23.8m PS3s to consumers. They sold 23.8m to retailers.It was the Kotaku Blog who said costumers and as far i know Sony does not track through to consumers but to retailers just like Microsoft.Sony has always use the word sold as to sold to retailers and that’s the same thing as shipping numbers.
2.Xbox 360 numbers are also sold (shipped) to retailers too even thou it was reported a while ago we don’t know what the numbers look right now.
and if 360 had a good lead and they just reported shipping 11.2 million 360s compared to 10.06 PS3 till 09. It makes absolutely no sense that the gap was closed.
I think there’s something fishy here.
August 5th, 2009
So if Sony is selling a half million more consoles per year then they will close the gap with 360 by… 2021.
blorge.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=109&p=738#p738
We might be able to travel to Endor by then Harry, but Sony would have built their next Death Star (Mike will fill in for Palpatine) by that time.
“I find it even more interesting considering the year head start the 360 had. Good stuff.”
Yes, it is interesting that Nintendo managed to trounce both Sony and Microsoft given the same amount of time, while Microsoft has managed to keep it’s lead over the company that dominated last gen.
August 5th, 2009
“Yes, it is interesting that Nintendo managed to trounce both Sony and Microsoft given the same amount of time, while Microsoft has managed to keep it’s lead over the company that dominated last gen.”
what doest that has to do with anything? last gen is last gen, ppl move on. if the PS3 and the 360 were release at the same time then probably all those PS2 owner would have upgrated to a PS3. but most ppl dont like to wait and that is why alot of them went out and bought a 360.
and on the side note…the PS2 didnt have any real competitor last gen, but right now the 3 big console companies putting out good games, and all of them are targeting different market. This is why the PS3 and 360 are in a neck and neck battle and the Wii is in a battle of its own
August 5th, 2009
@ rimmer
“the official annual shipping figures by MS, they have shipped 33.3 million 360s”
next time try to make some sense. nobody is going to believe you the 360 went from 30 mil to 33 million in a matter of 30 days.
August 5th, 2009
My Bad, I ended up adding in the initial 1.6 million listed in the 2006 as well as the total tally of 5 million listed retrospectively in the 2007 report:
2009 report (June30th 2008-june30th2009) = 11.2million
2008 report (2007-2008) = 8.7million
2007 report (2006-2007) = 6.6million
2006 report (2005-2007) = 5 million
Total of 31.5million.
Considering that the 360 reaching 30 million had been reported as far back as March 2009 that is pretty reasonable. It still gives an increased lead of over 8 million, which tallies in with the difference in the annual sales figures.
August 5th, 2009
May 28…so basically we are missing the numbers from Jun and July which can as high as 500,000 units.
and again M$ numbers are “Units Shipped” including those “referbished X360 Pro (20GB)” which M$ recount them because they were already shipped when they were “NEW”
August 5th, 2009
Roca
I wouldn’t get so excited about 1/2 million if I was you…..Sony’s most recent numbers show a full 1/2 million fall in sales between last year and this.
It’s Sony that is seeing sales fall year on year right now (in stark contrast to Xbox).
(But it is pretty funny watching you pretend that the opposite is true.)
…..oh and feel free, go ahead and prove that statement about refurbished Xboxes.
Besides pulling it out of you a$$ as usual you have no basis for saying that other than your own obvious fantasy.
August 5th, 2009
Roca, can you point to a source that states that MS’s figures include replacement xbox 360s? or is it just speculation?
August 5th, 2009
“what doest that has to do with anything? last gen is last gen, ppl move on.”
I was responding to barnabe’s post about the 360 having a year headstart. Nintendo had the same time frame to work with that Sony did. If you read the post that I linked to:
blorge.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=109&p=738#p738
You would see I mentioned last gen as one sign of how well a company is doing. One good way is to compare a company’s present product performance with it’s past product performance. In this case:
“Nintendo is selling 37 million more Wii’s than Gamecubes at the same point in it’s lifecycle, Sony is currently selling 12 million less PS3’s than PS2’s at the same point in it’s lifecycle, whereas Microsoft is currently selling 10 million more 360’s than the original XBox’s at the same point in it’s lifecycle.”
And you seemed to miss the main point: yes, Sony may be selling a half million more PS3’s per year than 360, but at that rate they will not close the gap until 2021, 6 years after the stated console life cycle, and Microsoft has already stated they will keep 360 on the market one day longer than PS3.
The bottom line is that if Sony truly wants to close the gap, it needs to increase sales. And it looks like their last major plays will be PS3 Slim, taking PS2 off of the market (and PS2 games on PSN), and their exclusives for the future. Personally, I think it has a good chance of success, and so does Sony, considering they are already ramping up production for the capacity of a million units per month:
news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=4669
August 5th, 2009
Harry, NPD is not worldwide totals.
August 5th, 2009
Happy:
“I wouldn’t get so excited about 1/2 million if I was you…..Sony’s most recent numbers show a full 1/2 million fall in sales between last year and this.”
I’m pretty sure Sony most recent number showed that they are “Closing the Gap”
CarlB-
I get your point now, my bad.
@ Rimmer
I dont have any sources, but since those “MS referbished PRO” (not replacements) had to be “shipped” to retails somehow. I dont have sources, but neither does you to prove me wrong. 360 number will always be in question
if you dont know what im talking about you can see it in the below link: (im surprise I know about 360 than most of you guys)
h**p://lh6.ggpht.com/_TaLDQuLWL30/SdWW0CDovFI/AAAAAAAAEVs/BgMWQuO6EZM/Xbox%20360%20Go%20Pro%5B12%5D.jpg
August 5th, 2009
Anybody want to bet on a Slim announcement and/or price drop August 18th?
ps3.gamespy.com/articles/101/1010516p1.html
smgamers.com/?p=736
August 5th, 2009
No Roca, the latest Sony figures showed sales this year are 1./2 million down on last year.
I know you can’t bear to hear it but that is the fact of the matter, from Sony themselves.
Pathetic ‘answer’ on the refurbs btw.
Utterly laughable as usual.
August 5th, 2009
CarlB
Sony are not selling 1/2 million more PS3s.
Not now.
They had a brief spurt of interest in 2008 until the big Xbox price cut in Sept 2008.
Since then Xbox has been killing them in sales.
August 5th, 2009
Happy
“No Roca, the latest Sony figures showed sales this year are 1./2 million down on last year.”
“CarlB Sony are not selling 1/2 million more PS3s”
they sold half a million more than 360 (globally) and half a million less than last year. is it that hard for you to comprehend those figures?
the fact that it still closing the gap has not change.
August 5th, 2009
The gap, if it really moved much at all, closed last year Roca.
This year Xbox has been out-selling PS3 everywhere except Japan.
Sony’s own numbers show a year on year fall in sales of 1/2 a million.
Too bad you can’t stomach it.
August 5th, 2009
“This year Xbox has been out-selling PS3 everywhere except Japan.”
You mean Except the whole zone of ASIA.
The Xbox has been outselling the PS3 everywhere? bring me the numbers from Europe, Lating America, Australia, Canada, Africa, India etc.
August 5th, 2009
^^ ur facts are base on NPD numbers which are US only.
August 5th, 2009
Roca, why should a refurbished 360 not count? Aside from the fact that they are rarer than hens teeth, a refurb unit sold to a new customer still increases the user base by 1.
And as I stated in my earlier post Sony’s own official figure shows sales for 2008-2009 at 10.06million whereas Microsoft show theirs at 11.2 million. Last time I checked 11.2 is more than 10.06, which means the 360 is selling more per year globally, and thereby increasing their lead, not decreasing.
August 5th, 2009
Yeah Roca.
Places like India, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Singapore are all vastly populated and over-flowing with people whos number 1 priority is spending their meagre incomes on playing games.
Any more hilarious japes to regale us with?
(oh and you can go f*ck yourself if you think I’m playing the
‘run around producing links for you to ignore and move on to the next troll-point’
again, it’s been done before here – and not that long ago for the UK & Europe anyways.
You made your bed on that one, idiot.)
August 5th, 2009
‘Anybody want to bet on a Slim announcement and/or price drop August 18th?’
No,
August 5th, 2009
haha!! again with the cursing just because ur making an ass of urself. (sign of desperation)
ur claims are worthless and pathetic. make sure you drink ur pills tonight so you wont for get whos closing the gap no matter what “stupid” numbers u bring to the table.
August 5th, 2009
I’m pretty sure Canada is covered under NPD.
August 5th, 2009
No Roca,
it’s a perfectly adult and proportionate response to your obvious trolling.
You second comment is just more of the same, rather boring and risible.
You’re far too obvious Roca.
The number of times you assert something only to be torn to shreds (quite often by fellow PS3 owners) and proven wrong is embarrassing……but naturally not to a troll like you, you just flit on to the next ‘point’ without a trace of shame.
It is pretty funny to watch all the same.
August 5th, 2009
gap is closing happy….
August 5th, 2009
Phranctoast:
It seems so.
http://www.npd.com/corpServlet?nextpage=entertainment-categories_s.html
(”Countries” Column to the right).
August 5th, 2009
Not with PS3 sales tanking so badly it’s not.
I’ll give you this much, the gap did close up a little last year, but since last Sept Xbox has been killing the PS3 everywhere except Japan.
You can’t hide it.
Sony themselves admit to sales down almost a third from 1.6 million to 1.1 million, a full 1/2 million fall.
August 5th, 2009
w.e you win kid
August 5th, 2009
MIKE
Yet another article where you have to enter and justify yourself lol you’re a total hypocrite. All that stuff about sales not being important……when sony aren’t selling
August 5th, 2009
If at first you don’t succeed….post it and post it again. right CON…lol
August 5th, 2009
Mike Ferro:
You should start a ban list here starting with the people that can’t seem to understand news like this.
August 5th, 2009
I wish I could be like you and phranctoast and be able to understand total bullshit but…….NPD results don’t lie, it’s simple math
August 5th, 2009
Con, you obliviously did fail simple math. NPD < 100% of the worlds sales.
Carl, The slim and price cut are coming, no doubt about it, but I’m doubting it’s going to be the 18th.
August 5th, 2009
I think you’re right, there would have been real pics by now with truckloads of Slims. Probably October/November or so for the holidays.
August 5th, 2009
Be interesting to see how slim a ’slim’ can be, I guess the PSU would be external, but even so that thing would push out a ton of heat.
Maybe it will come with a length of hose and a clamp to connect it to my kitchen sink
.
August 5th, 2009
NPD < 100% of worlds sales eh? So I should add more xbox sales? What a pathetic debate. This website cracks me up lol.
2012 the year of the PS3??? Digital downloads are gonna die out. I can just see it now
August 5th, 2009
“pathetic debate”? I wasn’t debating, I was simply stating a fact. I think NPD = US and Canada. Therefor the winner of NPD is winning in US and Canada.. not the entire world. Do you get it now, or should I draw a picture?
August 5th, 2009
@ barnabe,
“Harry, NPD is not worldwide totals.”
No shit. That’s why I stated in my post that it was for the US market, which is by and far the biggest market.
August 5th, 2009
Draw him a picture Barnabe. I’d actually like to see how you represent that
But yes CON,
‘NPD < 100% of worlds sales eh?’ = %100 correct.
August 5th, 2009
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August 6th, 2009
As X360 has a 3-yr warranty, it is safe to assume that by 2012 there will be 60+M units sold since the 30+M units today will soon be replaced
So I don’t think PS3 will catch-up.. :p
August 6th, 2009
lol
August 6th, 2009
lol
August 6th, 2009
PS2 rules. I wonder if the PS3 could ever catch up with it? Or Wii (lol):p
August 6th, 2009
184 comments… which was the record again?
August 6th, 2009
I’m waiting for the title
“Xbox 360 exclusive titles are just not as good as PS3 Exclusive titles?”
That will at least produce 300 posts.
Please Mike…….
August 6th, 2009
Besides, we’re all about games here right? So:
November 2005 360 Launch to present: 136 games rated favorably on Metacritic
November 2006 PS3 Launch to present: 51 games rated favorably on Metacritic
Average favorably rated games per year:
360 – 34/year
PS3 – 17/year
Take these numbers out to 2016 and:
2016
360 – 272 favorably rated games
PS3 – 136 favorably rated games
http://blorge.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=110
August 6th, 2009
Besides, we’re all about games here right? So:
November 2005 360 Launch to present: 136 games rated favorably on Metacritic
November 2006 PS3 Launch to present: 51 games rated favorably on Metacritic
Average favorably rated games per year:
360 – 34/year
PS3 – 17/year
Take these numbers out to 2016 and:
2016
360 – 272 favorably rated games
PS3 – 136 favorably rated games
blorge.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=110
August 6th, 2009
“As X360 has a 3-yr warranty, it is safe to assume that by 2012 there will be 60+M units sold since the 30+M units today will soon be replaced”
@ pie-rat8
if this was ur first post in this forum….you totally KILLED it man…..lol (keep the good work)
August 6th, 2009
@ Carlb
Just to make a Fair Comparation I took out:
-DLC
-Ports/Remakes
-2006, 2005 games since the PS3 wasnt out by that time.
-games that are on PS3 (like Lost Planet, etc)
and the List came out to:
360= 48 (including two Uno games and a couple of Hasbro Crap)
PS3= 49
As you can see the PS3 has more unique games all the way down to the last game. and also less crap.
now if we just go by Disc base games, from 2007 until now the total games for both console will look like this.
360= 25
PS3= 27
and so far the PS3 has more than double the amount of exclusive coming out this year than 360
which wonder which console is better for EXCLUSIVES on a yearly basis?
blorge.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=95&p=751#p751
August 6th, 2009
Yet the PS3 is the console with the year on year falling sales numbers.
Funny huh?
August 6th, 2009
is that the only “sentence” ur small brain know to write?
August 6th, 2009
It’s the one statement of fact you can’t get past.
Enjoy it again –
the PS3 is the console with year on year falling sales numbers.
August 6th, 2009
“2006, 2005 games since the PS3 wasnt out by that time.”
Actually, the PS3 did have games out in 2006. Just because they are a couple of years old doesn’t mean they aren’t still good or should be ignored. I mean, don’t you think Resistance, Motorstorm, are Gran Turismo HD Concept are still worth playing? As for exclusives, it depends on if they ever release, a lot have gotten pushed into next year for both consoles. Personally, I still think Sony has a higher profile lineup by God of War 3 and Uncharted 2 alone, and they like to tout that, but it may still take some time before we see it come to fruition.
A good game is a good game whether it is DLC, disc based, dd, XBLA, PSN, multiplatform, exclusive, etc. I don’t really care if they are on PC as well, or are ports from a PC game, as I don’t have a PC that can play them properly anyway, nor do I have the time for one. I think a lot of people are in that boat. Considering this, 360 still has the most favorably reviewed games.
In any case, each console has it’s own great games that are worth playing if you have the time. If I ever get bored with the 360, I’ll go ahead and get a PS3, but it doesn’t look like that will happen for quite some time.
I imagine more than a few other gamers are in the same position, they also want the platform with the most games for the least amount of money (that play the same or better), and do not necessarily distinguish between pc port, dlc, dd, disc based games, multiplatform games, games that are only a couple of years old (but still great), etc.
August 6th, 2009
Also, I think if PC ports could be as easy as they are with 360 that the PS3 would have a lot more of them. Unfortunately, it seems to take a bit of extra work (also money), so there are not nearly as many on PS3, which is too bad, as the machine seems to be more than capable of it and is priced at a point that would justify having just as many of these games.
August 6th, 2009
yeah..Its a shame Sony doesn’t use direct x for their games.
makes you wonder why MS bothers with wma files when mp3 and aac are more popular. /sarcasm
August 6th, 2009
“the PS3 is the console with year on year falling sales numbers.”
Happy, don’t you think that maybe all that means is that the PS3 enjoyed an abnormal sales spike around this time last year? This is right around when MGS4 came out, after all.
A reasonable person would assume that the PS3 would enjoy a similar surge in sales this year when Uncharted 2 or Gran Turismo comes out. A price cut would do the trick as well.
Are you going to be repeating the same mantra in 2010 if sales don’t sustain the same surge without a blockbuster or price cut?
-Arvis
August 6th, 2009
HH: “(oh and you can go f*ck yourself if you think I’m playing the
‘run around producing links for you to ignore and move on to the next troll-point’
again, it’s been done before here – and not that long ago for the UK & Europe anyways.
You made your bed on that one, idiot.)”
That’s because you’re full of shit and you’re making it up.
You do it every time.
August 6th, 2009
“Yet the PS3 is the console with the year on year falling sales numbers.
Funny huh?”
Falling sales does NOT mean the GAP can’t close!
Gees you people are F#$king stupid!
If the 360 sales drop faster then the GAP WILL CLOSE!
And don’t give me the NPD sales shit because US is Not The World.
August 6th, 2009
I’m actually quite flattered that someone would go to such measures to annoy me lol
August 6th, 2009
WTF are you about…wrong forum buddy
August 6th, 2009
All he would’ve done is take the jean luc picard pic and throw it into an ASCII generator.
Its still awesome tho
August 6th, 2009
“yeah..Its a shame Sony doesn’t use direct x for their games.”
Oh. Is that the only reason the PS3 doesn’t have quality PC ports? (I really don’t know).
August 6th, 2009
Hey Mike, where’s the thread on Activisions combo North American & Europe numbers?
Here’s a short snippet –
“The company’s latest report also brings us the current installed bases for each of the consoles, based on NPD and Gfk reports.
Of course, this means that only North America and most of Europe are included, but it’s still interesting to compare the numbers to the reports released by the platform holders themselves, with the gap between the Xbox 360 and PS3 growing from 7.6 million units to 11 million units.
The difference between the following totals and the worldwide statistics reported by the platform holders comes to 12.6 million Nintendo Wii’s, 4.4 million Xbox 360’s and 7.8 million PlayStation 3’s.
Worldwide installed bases according to NPD and Gfk*
•Nintendo Wii – 40 million
•Xbox 360 – 27 million
•PlayStation 3 – 16 million”
w.gamezine.co.uk/news/game-industry/console-installed-bases-in-na-and-europe-$1316995.htm
If you can find Japanese 2009 sales numbers so enormous that they close the gap by as much as you’ve claimed then go ahead.
You won’t.
It seems to me that it’s taken just a few days to call BS on the premise of this thread with some reasonable industry numbers.
August 6th, 2009
*Source: Activision Blizzard financial results
August 7th, 2009
Awww, you do care! *sniffle*
August 7th, 2009
@HH:
Your honestly relying on and quoting something Anti-Sony “Activision” has said? HAHAHA(lol)
Do you really mean that Activision Chief “Bobby I need a kotex Kotick” and his team would actually say something that disagree’s with Sony? I mean WOW Sony only made him and his company look like a fool infront of the whole world by calling his bluff and proving that he’s just a greedy noise maker.(lol) I bet that made him feel real important? What do you think?
August 7th, 2009
Ghost
Come on, be serious.
Do you honestly imagine any of these 3rd party companies use their end of year financial reports to PR for one console maker or the other?!
August 7th, 2009
“Do you honestly imagine any of these 3rd party companies use their end of year financial reports to PR for one console maker or the other?!”
you are defenitely using to “PR” the 360. why cant they do it also?
August 7th, 2009
HH, this is the same Activision that slammed the PS3 a few short months ago. I’m not surprised that they would flat out lie in there report. Hence, why I don’t buy there shitty games.
August 7th, 2009
Barnabe Jones
The guy called for a realistic pricing structure.
If you really think that any criticism whatsoever (however justified) is slamming then you’re welcome to your laughably one-eyed world.
Besides, stockholders (nevermind the law) would not tolerate that sort of ludicrous fanboy view in a serious set of end of year (audited) financial results.
Don’t be so ridiculous.
I expect that sort of childish fanboy view from a couple of our most biased posters but ffs guy, wake up.
The adult financial world doesn’t give a flying f*ck about anything other than the earnings and any profit/loss made.
August 7th, 2009
Thats an interesting find, however why would I write about that when my story is much better?
Global Sales/Shipped via Manufacturer > NPD+GFK
Why get an incomplete piece of the pie from a street vendor, when you can get the whole pie directly from the Bakery.
August 7th, 2009
At the very least Mike it calls into question the numbers you gave.
The thing is you didn’t really get a sold number for Xbox so you can’t claim to be getting the whole pie.
No-one knows the game Microsoft are playing but they themsleves.
I strongly suspect that after a large amount of the usual PS3 rush to crow (say one or two months after the expected spike in sales – if they do drop their price) we’ll see the balloon burst with a new sold number from them which is in accord with these Activision (NPD & Gfk) numbers.
But regardless of what does happen, my point stands, there is now plenty of reason to doubt the numbers you gave.
August 7th, 2009
Happy just give up…dont keep trying to squeeze numbers outs of nowhere
August 7th, 2009
Not sure where the doubts are? Still haven’t seen them.
You really can’t get any more accurate then from the Manufacturer’s themselves.
Yes, Msft stated shipped just surpassed 30 mil. on 5/28. But Sold number would be lower than shipped, not sure what your point is..
Also your point is to rely on NPD+GFK numbers over Manufacturer’s numbers.. which seems silly as GFK (Chart Track) only gets data from 12 countries in Europe out of over 60 and they use a sample pool of 12k stores to “guesstimate” instead of using actual sold figures.
GFK doesn’t even include countries like NZ and AUS or Transatlantic countries.
Again.. not sure what your “point” is? …seems like your reaching just a tad bit.
August 7th, 2009
“The guy called for a realistic pricing structure.”
…and then a few weeks later said that, if it were up to him, video games would cost more than $60.
Happy, don’t pretend like anything Bobby Kotick says means anything.
-Arvis
August 7th, 2009
Roca
LMAO.
….like you have any right to question anyone who would disputes a thing here.
Arvis
I never did say that tho.
I said that to paint his comments into the usual tedious one-or-other, ‘black and white’, ‘with uis or against us’ fanboy moould is absurd.
He made valid comments, the only reason the PS3 gang here can’t stand them is it makes Sony look bad (hence the ludicrous suggestion that not only is he personally ’slamming’ Sony & the PS3 but that Activision’s end of year financial statements must be fanboy-ish too).
It’s well know that Activision would like prices to go up (and they are testing their luck with MW2)….what’s that got to do with this?
Every company would like to maximise their returns.
It’s just business, it’s not like they are your mates doing you a favour or trying to rip you off.
Mike
I’m saying that a comment from Microsoft is hardly concrete proof of anything (and it is my view that that is how come they put it in those terms too, it gives them room to do what they like).
Had Microsoft given an actual sold number you’d have a point, but they didn’t and you’re talking as if a mere shipped statement is on the same level as an end of year financial stament, when plainly it isn’t.
I am merely saying that I wouldn’t look to build much on the foundation of sand that a mere comment happens to be.
Especially when other numbers make it look highly questionable.
Are you now trying to tell us that (a) NZ is a huge market and (b) PS3 dominates that market and (c) Aus is the same again and that these in conjunction with the lesser sized EU markets make up all of the difference?!
Surely not.
If that all really were true Sony would be squalking about it from every rooftop…..and doing their best to shut Kotick (and the others) up by rebutting his comments with those facts, if it really were so.
Microsoft on the otherhand, because they are in such a strong position, don’t need to talk themselves up at all.
In fact they can take the other route and downplay themselves in a situation where everyone can see they are killing Sony this year.
Like I said, I don’t think you can bridge the gap between the conjecture you’ve posted and the USA & Euro numbers (by far the 2 biggest single markets).
August 7th, 2009
NPD is fairly accurate, however GKF (Chart track) is a different story altogether.
Again I find myself repeating, GKF only obtains numbers from 12 countries out of 60 countries, excluding transatlantic and southern Pacific territories.
And they do “guesstimates” using a pool of 12k retail locations.
Would I take Microsoft’s announcement that they “JUST” surpassed 30 mil. on 5/28 as being more accurate than GKF?
Thats a no brainier.
Not sure what your point is.. are you accusing Sony of lying? Microsoft of lying?
…this is just too hilarious, why am I even trying to debate this…
August 7th, 2009
thats it!!!! somebody please suspend his name until he let this subject go….the guy/girl is a hard-headed fanboy who will only listin to himselft, M$, Bobby.
August 7th, 2009
Well didn’t say anyone was actually lying.
I don’t think Sony could actually ‘lie’ on the their official financial statement (tho padding out those numbers with corporate sales is perfectly possible…..but I doubt that could or would go beyond a few thousand).
Microsoft on the otherhand was not making much of a concrete statement and it is there that I think the scope for this discrepancy lies.
Still, I guess you just don’t/won’t get what I’m saying then Mike.
Roca
What a sad dreary little troll you are.
Like your pathetic alter-ego Ivan you’re such a sad snivelling sneaky little worm calling for people to be banned.
Pathetic.
August 7th, 2009
w.e kid go to bed it’s past ur bed time.
your the only xbot arguing this article. get a life google is making believe shit that aint real.
August 7th, 2009
You’re being a sad little juvenile creep calling for people to be banned Roca, and you know it.
August 7th, 2009
and this is coming from a kid who is spanning forums with the same sentence over and over.
ppl here have cought making stuff up also. grow up
August 7th, 2009
“He made valid comments…”
Actually, Happy, it’s generally accepted by all reasonable people that he made NO valid point whatsoever, and was, in fact, blowing smoke. Even some of the guys at Epic (who love the 360) said he was basically being an idiot and just speaking empty words. The fact that you think anything he said was “valid” in any way only makes me question your sanity.
-Arvis
August 7th, 2009
Mike, if MS report a figure of 11.2 million for 2009 and Sony report 10.06 million for 2009, then that clearly shows hat the gap is NOT decreasing in Sony’s favour. How hard is it misinterpret those figures? What’s more, MS’s own end of year report figures show a total global sale figure by the end of june 2009 as over 31 million. You can’t compare figures, as you have done, from two different time periods. If that were the case I could actually prove that I am older than my dad, by stating that I was 30 in 2004, whereas My dad was only 29 in 1964, therefore I am older than my dad.
August 7th, 2009
Roca
You are beyond parody…….but your obvious projection is as reliably & laughably pathetic as always.
Arvis
You can find an example or two of people with a differing POV (is that unusual?) but I did not say everyone agreed with the guy.
If what he said about PS costs then surely he had a valid point?
We do know he was correct about PS3’s terrible sales this year.
August 7th, 2009
@HH:
To answer your question sure I do. Fanboy shit aside, think about it. If Sony would have coward like a whiped dog and gave in to Kotick demands for more money then he would be singing a different tune right now. And when he didn’t get it behind closed doors, he decided to show some muscle and go public, and Sony again made him look like a ass. I am sure he has gotten all kinds of perks from Sony in the past and he thought he was more Important up the ladder than what he actually is? And that kind of reality check
with his greedy personality, he would do or say just about anything. So to answer your question again “do I honestly imagine that any of these 3rd party companies use their end of the year finacial reports to PR for one console maker or the other” Why yes I do HH. Welcome to the world of money my friend. Here is a question for you are you naive enough to swallow all that a muti-billion dollar corporation tells you? (lol) Your not a sheep HH use your brain man.
August 7th, 2009
Well Ghost it is precisely because I am not taking Microsoft’s ’soft’ passing comment (claim) necesarily at face value that this debate has arisen.
I’m sorry to say that I just don’t get your idea of Activision and their senior staff.
Not only would you have them being firmly in the Xbox camp (when the majority of their sales must – if only because of the numbers out there – come from the PlayStation brand) but you claim they are so one-eyed that they would publicly PR against the source of their biggest income (PSP, PS2 & PS3 combined).
Yes, indeed. Money is what it is all about and in the light of the facts your narrative makes no sense whatsoever.
The only thing that does make sense in this context is that Kotick was indeed telling the truth.
He absolutely was correct to point out that PS3 lost almost 1/3rd of their numbers old this year (1.1 million in 09 v 1.6 million in 08).
August 7th, 2009
HH: Listen man your taking this shit way to personally. If you can’t get what came out of the “Head of Activision on mouth” and I quote “We might have to stop supporting Sony” and let’s not forget “and the PSP to” then I don’t know what to tell you. He is a loud mouth and is full of shit, that statement right there proves it. And like you claim (the majority of thier sales must come from the Playstation brand). So even with all of that you don’t think he would be full of shit about a so called “Activision combo North America and Europe” report? He pulled them numbers out of his tight greedy a**. He got his little millionare feelings hurt when sony laughed in his face. Besides that re-read what Mike said. “guesstimation” in other words pulling numbers out of his rear.
“In the light of the facts your narrative makes no since whatsoever”
A.- Reread what I wrote, apparently you don’t understand. Besides that the only ‘Facts” are Kotick has girly-feelings and is greedy. com’on HH Kotick is a loud mouth looking for some attention to soothe his hurt pride?
In fact the only valid statement you made so far was “I’m saying that a comment from M$ is hardly concrete proof of anything” those are your own words and I agree,….. M$ is full of shit, at least we both agree there.(lol)sorry ur such a fan-boy I had to mess with u a little.
P.S. Nobody is saying that Sony has sold as many consoles as M$, but that they are “closing the gap” so to speak.
August 7th, 2009
We’ll just have to agree to disagree Ghost.
August 7th, 2009
lol sounds good man-cheers
August 8th, 2009
“HH, this is the same Activision that slammed the PS3 a few short months ago. I’m not surprised that they would flat out lie in there report. Hence, why I don’t buy there shitty games.”
Interesting. EA slammed the 360 a little while ago by saying it was “maxed out” (which may definitely be possible). But it’s more interesting they are reporting more profit from PS3 than 360, but from what game(s)? Besides maybe SF4, which might have sold a smidge more, I can’t think of another game that sold better on PS3 than 360. Maybe it’s exclusives? Could anybody help me out (I really don’t know and would like to but can’t find an answer)?
August 8th, 2009
Almost every studio maxed out the power of the Xbox 360 especially EPIC GAMES.
August 8th, 2009
Yep, because you’re the eyes and ears of every studio.
August 8th, 2009
Also the moustache.
August 8th, 2009
Moustache only real man get that. And yes I’m eyes & ears for everything gaming everything also i read the news unlike you.
August 8th, 2009
You read the news? Like the article that confirmed that forza 3 will be on 3 discs? Accurate news source you have there.
August 8th, 2009
Yup
August 8th, 2009
I take it you don’t have an answer to the question of which games made EA more money with PS3 than 360 Ivan?
August 8th, 2009
Actually those EA results are a bit of an enigma. On the one hand they show a healthy lead for PS3 Non GAAP net revenue over the 360 of 23% vs 15%, on the otherhand, the GAAP Net Revenue has the 360 at 22% vs 14% for the PS3. A sum of the quarterly net revenue (GAAP and Non GAAP) for 2009 shows the PS3 at $776 Million and the 360 at $1005 Million. So all together now: EH?
(http://investors.ea.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=381903)
August 9th, 2009
lol at Forza. Really?
Mario Kart is fun also, but I wouldn’t try to compare it to GT.
August 9th, 2009
“The guy called for a realistic pricing structure.”
Ok.. Then why are Guitar Hero, DJ Hero, and COD MW 2 (deluxe) all over $200?
“realistic” isn’t paying $200 – $250 for a single game.
August 9th, 2009
I know you Xboys are all gitty because Craptivision went after the PS3 lately, but ask yourself a serious question… if Activision made a console, how much would they charge for it? $1,00? Maybe $1,500? Would you still be kissing there ass then?
When this whole Activision thing comes to a head, I’ll be proud to say that I stood against them since day one.
August 9th, 2009
CarlB
“which games made EA more money with PS3 than 360″
a quick answer will be: ALL OF THEM
August 9th, 2009
it would also be the wrong answer.
August 10th, 2009
For the record, I have NEVER bought an Activision game, and never owned one since after the SNES days.
-Arvis
August 10th, 2009
my Last Activision Game before CoD4 was a racing game for the PS1 called: Gran Tour
August 12th, 2009
I bet they cry themselves to sleep every night devastated by that news.
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August 13th, 2009
Happyhockum:
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August 14th, 2009
arvis – you are in the vaaaast minority… it’s like saying “i never bought an EA game” 3 years ago….