Can anyone tap the PS3’s "theoretical" power?
The PS3’s “theoretical” power has been the subject of much debate since the launch of the console. Many have referred to this untapped power with reverence while others have indicated reservation towards its feasibility. Several developers have spoken out about this hotly debated topic.
There is no denying it, the PS3 is a piece of work. It is probably the most technically advanced console to ever come out. It can perform 2.0 tera-floating operation points, meaning it can do 2 trillion things at the same time. It uses a unique architecture that forces developers to rely less on the graphics card and focus heavily on the Cell Broadband multi-scalar processor.
The conventional development method prevalent on the PC has forced many of the traditional developers to learn from scratch in order to develop for the PS3. In the beginning, most developers decided to just utilize the PS3’s graphics card while neglecting the Cell processor to do the heavy lifting. However, this has forced Sony’s internal studios to push even harder to showcase what the PS3 is capable of.
Undoubtedly, studios like Guerrilla Games and Naughty Dog have pushed the limits of the PS3 further than any studio with titles like Killzone 2 and Uncharted. Now, it seems like a few of the third party studios have gotten a glimpse of the the PS3’s potential during the development cycle.
According to CVG, Crytek UK’s managing director and former head of Free-Radical, Karl Hilton, indicated that no-on has pushed the PS3 to its limit yet.
Hilton stated:
I don’t think we’ve seen the best out of the PS3 at all, and I definitely think one of the best things about Crytek and the CryEngine is that we’re now in the best position to get the most out of the hardware.
We know the PS3 can do amazing things, and no one has pushed it as far as it can go, but I think the CryEngine gives us a great head start on it.
Also recently in an interview with GameInformer, id Software head honcho, John Carmack talked about developing Rage on the PS3 versus the Xbox 360 and PC. He stated, “there’s a little bit more theoretical raw performance on the PS3, so we’ve got a little bit more headroom.”
However, he also indicated the difficulties and problems the studio faced with developing on the PS3. “More sweat equity had to be put into the PS3,” said Carmack. Currently, the PS3 version is behind the 360 and PC version, running slower due to difficulty with the steep learning curve. Rage truly looks to be an ambitious project. The game is said to be mammoth in size, utilizing hi-res textures all the way. Even the Xbox 360 version is said to be coming on two to three DVD9 discs.
(picture taken on PS2 using Gran Turismo 4 camera mode)
I believe that this topic will continue to be discussed even seven years from now. You have to remember that the PS2 started having games such as Gran Turismo 4 which was 1080i native at 60fps only five years after the launch of the console. The power of the PS3 may remain “theoretical” for now, but one can hope that the studios will be able to tap that raw potential.
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August 14th, 2009
Nice post all true. PS3 is hard to develop game for but in the end if you utilize the full potential the results will be unreal. Imagine a game using %100 of all PS3 power including the 50 gb from the Blu-ray Disc. Sony made it like to have it future prove it cost a lot but it will pay off big time. I would hate to have to install all my games on HDD in order to avoid switching disc. UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves can’t be done on PS3 well maybe half of the game you can. Sony loves advanced technology just look at everything they do.
August 14th, 2009
I meant it can’t be done Xbox 360 honest mistake nah LoL. wOW I SHOT MYSELF THERE.
August 14th, 2009
Free Radical… aren’t they the guys that made Haze?
August 14th, 2009
PS3 has incredible processing power and graphics, but against that it has only 512Meg RAM that is non-upgradable. I wonder if this is going to be the biggest problem holding-back future development of PS3 as companies begin to harness the processing and graphics power?
August 14th, 2009
harry sachz:
Free Radical is Crytek UK now. I actually like Haze but only Co-Op. Haze is like Perfect Dark Zero that bad.
August 14th, 2009
That’s some of the problems right there, alot of the publishers are just to lazy and greedy to take the time and make use of all the PS3 power. You always here them say that if they had the “technology they would do this and they could do that” and when it finally came they act like they are afraid of it? I realize M$ pays some of there publishers alot of cash to hold back and not use alot of the PS3 power when they are making the same game for both systems. You would think these game makers would want to work on a system and games that has the power to challenge everything they ever done before and to take games to the next level? Instead they are lazy and just keep pumping out the same ole kinda games with the same ole kinda graphics, they really do act afraid of the PS3 and it’s power. Well the way I look at it, there out of excuses, and once again it’s up to Sony and there exclusives to lead the way.
August 14th, 2009
@harry sachz:
What would you know about “Haze”?(lol) I thought that got banned in your neck of the woods? I never played it but looking at the reviews and trailers for it, I don’t think I am missing out on much.
August 14th, 2009
Ghost:
I don’t think Microsoft pays developers to make the PS3 version worst but they pay to have DLC first which is a dumb business deal. And yes almost every developer is lazy look at these developers they know how make awesome PS3 exclusives, these are very talented developers:
Naughty Dog
Guerilla Games
Polyphony Digital
Insomniac Games
SCE Studios Santa Monica
Team ICO
Evolution Studios
Zipper Interactive
Sucker Punch Productions
Media Molecule
Ninja Theory
Quantic Dream
Konami
Level 5
From Software
August 14th, 2009
Ivan_PSP:
I don’t think M$ pays developers to make it worse on PS3, I just think they have paid or threaten developers to not tap into all the power of the PS3. Because if they didn’t then the PS3 version of the game would blow X-boxes out of the water. Reread what Mike just wrote he is telling you right there that developers have not been using the full or even half the power of the PS3 but instead are being lazy and relying on the graphics card alone. By not using all the power of the PS3 they are making games that basically looks and play the same as the X-boxes version.
Ok so what do you think the game would look like if they used the full power of the PS3??? If you were M$ would you not bribe threaten or do whatever you had to do to keep it that way???
August 14th, 2009
Oh, were back to potential. In this case it means believeing Sony’s lie. It’s to bad that all that potential can only be used to do calculations for your Folding project. LOL! It’s too bad the PS3 is bottle necked when it comes to memory. LOL!! That’s why the PC and 360 version are way ahead of the PS3 in the development process but all Crytek can talk about is the potential of the PS3 and how it’s harder to develop for and that it’s running slow on the PS3, cough, Bottlenecked, Cough!! LOL!!! Ohh do you smell mandatory install. Yeah Bottlenecked Potential!
August 14th, 2009
CAD:
You are so damn stupid wow. You sound like a bitter troll. I smell switching disc red light of death hard drive crash vacuum cleaner sound no exclusives basically. CAD = JEALOUS of PS3.
“A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.”
August 14th, 2009
Ivan_PSP. Nice work with that last sentence. It has to be the first sentence you have wrote that is in perfect English. Well done, those ‘How to talk proper hood, Aiiii’ classes at your Brooklyn School for the gifted are starting to pay off. Unless……wait a minute. I know I must be wrong here but I have this little niggle at the back of my mind that thinks you may have cut and pasted it from somewhere else. Nah, I must be wrong.
Anyhoo, back on topic. I remember back in the days of the Amiga that one developer actually utilized the sound chip to perform some graphics calculations. Cant remember who, sorry. But this post made me think of that. Difference being is that things are so complicated now.
The ps4th is going to take a lot of effort to get the true 100% out of it. Bear in mind that 72.3% of developers will not bother and just do a lazy job for a quick buck, the rest will take somewhere between 945 and 978 days to use 100% and then we are starting to look at the end of the current generation.
I can see the next gen being more about simple systems that the developers can get the most out of with as little effort as possible.
What is the point of all this potential if the effort to use it is more than the end reward. Talking from a completely neutral position (what?) I don’t see any difference between the ps4th and the 360 that would make me want a ps4th. Its not like comparing the SNES and the Megadrive where a difference was noticeable. And the general public will see it that way too.
August 14th, 2009
“Its not like comparing the SNES and the Megadrive where a difference was noticeable”
By which you’re implying that the Megadrive was superior, right?
August 14th, 2009
Ghost
Devs are not lazy or greedy, they are businesses devoted to surviving these tough economic times and are (perfectly understandably) devoting resources to making money.
They are not there to promote or help or talk up the PS3.
If the PS3 is hard to work on then along with its lower sales numbers they have every reason to concentrate elsewhere.
It’s just simple economics.
This is what you get when a CE corp torches it’s game console brand to push a new and expensive video format unrelated (except in the most tenuous manner) to gaming.
August 14th, 2009
it’s becoming too transparent that Mike is only creating these articles to spur site hits by the resident fanboys like Roca/Ivan (the same person)….
Mike creatively rewrote the Carmack interview to erase his disclosure the ps3’s graphics processor is significantly “slower than” (read: weaker) than the 360’s. He also forgot to mention the developer of Haze has gone public in blaming the ps3’s poor architecture for the poor gameplay in Haze. He also neglected to mention the amounts of other developers who have gone public in voicing their displeasure with the ps3’s hardware and ignore the projects dropped from the ps3 due to this.
He goes on to mention first party game makers who, under contract with sony, cannot say negative things about the ps3, then uses them as a benchmark as to what the ps3 is capable of. The funny thing is that there is nothing the ps3 is doing that isn’t already being done on the 360 for a fraction of the cost, and headaches.
sony’s promises of “theoritical power” smacks of the same kind of PR b.s. they pulled with the ps2’s “hidden potential” last gen. A potential that has yet to be found.
Mike clearly stated in his early articles he creates these articles not to inform or give pause for thought, but to see how many comments (site hits) he can generate. So why does anyone care?
it’s no coincidence that out of the 20 million ps3’s sold, the best sony can come up with for fans are the types of Roca/Ivan, Kevo, and other prebubescent fanboys……
the question remains; what game uses the teraflops promised as a maxim and how can one tell? until then, it’s just more sony b.s…..
of course, anyone who knows this industry (read: NOT Mike Ferro) knows this to be true…
August 14th, 2009
“This is what you get when a CE corp torches it’s game console brand to push a new and expensive video format unrelated (except in the most tenuous manner) to gaming.”
that might of been one of the dumber things said around here. You are really going the extra mile to make your point…….wow.
So in essence, since blu ray was put in the machines developers are not putting in the extra mile to learn the ins and outs of the ps3…..
I think what you’re struggling to get at is that blu ray drove up the cost and Sony was only able to sell a measley 23-24 million consoles (so far) and that developers don’t see the need to bother.
One of the straight up dumbest things said.
August 14th, 2009
****New Elite****
comes with…….uhmmmm ‘DOES NOT’ come with HDMI cable. with M$ now making their own HDMI cables. now the elite doesn’t have anything especial
M$ did it again. you xbotx must be happy at every single M$ move
August 14th, 2009
lol @ kev.
I hate Dave and Mike and I hate the PS3.
nuff said.
I thought you found a better place……what happened?
They also don’t like you?
August 14th, 2009
“sony’s promises of “theoritical power” smacks of the same kind of PR b.s. they pulled with the ps2’s “hidden potential” last gen. A potential that has yet to be found.”
It’s things like this that make kev’s posts classic.
lol dumbass. Mike even made mention of one title if you bothered to read.
idk….Maybe the GOW games pushed the potential. hmm Maybe SOTC. Okami is awesome looking.
Nope… Kev is right because he says so. Other highly respected people in the industry whose opinions on the obvious ps2 potential are therefore nullified by the greatness of kevs opinion.
August 14th, 2009
Phranctoast
You might care to recheck your idea.
The PS3s programming troubles have nothing to do with the container for the coding, it’s the Cell and their half-a$$ed hardware (originally it was going to be 2 Cells then they ditched that as too expensive & went with 1 and an ancient Nvidia GPU) which caused all the trouble there.
Blu-ray was a guaranteed expense they had no need to use other than to try and sew up what they imagined was going to be ‘DVD mk2′ and the accompanying rerun of that little gold mine.
Ivan/Roca
Seriously, if you’re still using the cheapest HDMI cables thrown in by anybody then you’re a bit dim and not getting the most out of your system.
Of course I’m not referring to the rip-off such brands as ‘Monster’ indulge in but there is a difference between bottom feeder garbage and a decent bespoke cable.
(and consoidering the PS3 originally came with only a composite cable – incapable of providing anything beyond standard def res – it’s a predictable if tragic joke you should jibe at anyone not including an HDMI cable.
Oh, and prove it. I want to see where you got this from)
August 14th, 2009
CAD: “That’s why the PC and 360 version are way ahead of the PS3″
Way ahead? LOL grow up dude. Stop making up shit.
Kev: “they pulled with the ps2’s “hidden potential” last gen. A potential that has yet to be found.”
LOL you are such an expert aren’t you? What do you do for a living? Make console hardware? Develop games for consoles? I know! You work for Mc Donald’s!
I highly doubt the PS2 had more power then what was utilized in the end.
August 14th, 2009
It was your idea!!!!! I was trying to figure out how blu ray talk somehow found its way into a story about programming and the cell.
You originally mentioned it
““This is what you get when a CE corp torches it’s game console brand to push a new and expensive video format unrelated (except in the most tenuous manner) to gaming.”
What the hell does this mean if its not what I said?
August 14th, 2009
“I know! You work for Mc Donald’s”! (LOL) haha
August 14th, 2009
Is funny to hear this ppl bash on the PS2 because they know they dont have an argument to the PS3 quality first party software..
in my eyes the 360 is MAXED OUT, (havent seen anything graphically good other than Gears)
August 14th, 2009
phranctoast
Blu-ray pushed PS3 costs way over what they might have been.
Sony lumped it into PS3 to push the video format.
This is no secret and nor is it hard to see.
PS3 difficulties in coding for are all about the other hardware (Cell & GPU) not particularly anything to do with the disc system used to hold the code.
What is so confusing to you there?
Ivan/Roca
Hows your composite cable doing?
Where’s your proof that the Elite now doesn’t come with an HDMI cable?
August 14th, 2009
‘Oh, and prove it. I want to see where you got this from’
I dont need to prove anything to you. if you are so concerned if is true or not then go and buy one and find out for ur self.
August 14th, 2009
I already have one thanks – and it came with an HDMI cable
(which I chose not to use, I had my own better one).
Go on admit it, you either just got caught lying, again or you are quoting another PS3 fanboy’s blog rumour.
Pathetic.
August 14th, 2009
‘PS3 difficulties in coding for are all about the other hardware (Cell & GPU) not particularly anything to do with the disc system used to hold the code, What is so confusing to you there?’
uhmmm what does the bluray disc or drive have to do with the raw power or the coding of the PS3????
just drop the bluray talk man
August 14th, 2009
Roca/Ivan
Hey, here’s an idea.
Why not try reading English properly some time?
I actually said that the Blu-ray drive was not the reason for the dev’s coding problems.
No need to get sh*tty because you got caught lying again.
August 14th, 2009
@ncaissie, well kev says he has industry knowledge, but he is prone to playing the “can’t get links from work” card.
Someone in the gaming industry wouldn’t have trouble getting gaming information from the net I wouldn’t imagine.
Although maybe he just plays that card when he doesn’t have a valid argument
August 14th, 2009
“Devs are not lazy or greedy, they are businesses devoted to surviving these tough economic times”
I am sorry but a multi-million dollar company isn’t getting my sympathy, it’s not like there some little one or two man operation trying to stay a float. Besides that the gaming sector is doing just fine. These people have the power and the money to push new game design for all it’s worth. (It’s there job) While I understand they can’t go further on the X-box they still have a hell of a lot of power they can play with on the PS3. They could and should be using there imagination to push boundaries for better games period.
August 14th, 2009
Happy,
im not going to go crazy a link of a Elite with no HDMI cable….and I didnt ask you if u used the HDMI or not. idk why u always have to make a comment about ur life.
August 14th, 2009
Hell in the late 70’s it was all about the “Hi-Fi” (lol)
August 14th, 2009
‘Go on admit it, you either just got caught lying, again or you are quoting another PS3 fanboy’s blog rumour’
like i said before, I used to work for Mircrosoft and a friend of mine who is still with the company told me about the specs of the NEW ELITE.
but if that aint enough for you, you can google it ur self. in the mean time take at look at this and tell me if you notice anything different:
h**p://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/08/nopro2.jpg
August 14th, 2009
@Roca “uhmmm what does the bluray disc or drive have to do with the raw power or the coding of the PS3????”
Unfortunately it has plenty to do with it. More hardware = More cost = Less purchases = Less support.
I love the Blu-Ray but you can’t deny the fact that sales are lower due to the extra cost. I know for a fact it will pay off in the long run though. I can’t wait to see what they accomplish. I will be getting the wand thing when it comes out. It’s exactly what the Wimote should have been.
August 14th, 2009
“What is so confusing to you there?”
Whats confusing?
hmmmmm.. maybe you dropping the blu ray bomb in an unrelated topic and making it out like I’m the one who doesn’t get it. I question it and even try to see your reasoning for mentioning it in this topic.
You were caught not making any sense so you resort to making the accuser the bad guy. I get it..it’s OK…it’s a normal defense mechanism after saying something stupid.
August 14th, 2009
Ghost
Nobody’s talking about sympathy.
You’re ascribing human behaviour & emotive feelings to a business which I just don’t think hold up.
Those people have a legal responsibility to maximise their returns for their owners, shareholders and investors.
It’s pretty obvious that they are going to head for where the most money is at the least cost.
That’s just good business sense, nothing lazy about it.
Ivan/Roca
You can’t prove your claim because you’re a liar lying.
Nobody is fooled.
You told me to go buy an Elite and find out, so it was perfectly reasonable for me to explain that I already had one and that it came with an HDMI lead.
It’s also perfectly reasonable to point out your double-standard and clear hypocrisy for gurning and crying your eyes out on behalf of prospective Elite owners (I bet we’re all so grateful to you for that) for a (you claim) missing HDMI cable when your beloved PS3 originally came with only a cr@ppy composite cable.
Does the PS3 even come with an HDMI cable now?
If that has changed does anyone know how recently that happened?
August 14th, 2009
phranctoast
OK, I’ve looked back and I can see what you mean.
(and I am not accusing anyone or trying to smokescreen on this at all btw)
Here is what I meant.
The costs associated with the Blu-ray drive are what has hurt PS3 sales.
Lower sales discourage devs from putting in as much effort than they might otherwise have done.
Couple this with the PS3 being inherently difficult to code for and you have a mess on your hands.
Still find it confusing and unrelated?
August 14th, 2009
CAD: “That’s why the PC and 360 version are way ahead of the PS3″
Way ahead? LOL grow up dude. Stop making up shit.
“However, he also indicated the difficulties and problems the studio faced with developing on the PS3. “More sweat equity had to be put into the PS3,” said Carmack. Currently, the PS3 version is behind the 360 and PC version, running slower due to difficulty with the steep learning curve.”
ncaissie,
Grow up and stop talking shit.
August 14th, 2009
The PS2 was difficult to code for and look where is at now. same goes for the PS1.
August 14th, 2009
CAD
the game is not even out yet…he also started ‘that all 3 version are going to run at 60FPS and 3 version are going to be the same’
August 14th, 2009
“I was trying to figure out how blu ray talk somehow found its way into a story about programming and the cell.”
You guys must really live in a bubble if you can’t understand how Sony took you guys for a ride. How many time do we have to go over this? Oh I forgot you guys are slow learners. I guess you really do like taking it up the ass.
August 14th, 2009
lmao….
that what I originally said to try to justify you saying it.
Yeah.. I still find it to be a stupid point, as you are well aware that as of this time the ps3 has outsold the Xbox and Gamecube and theres plenty of time left in this gen.
Dev’s should put the extra time in. That fact and the fact that the first party and second party developers are putting out free tool sets for third parties to get their games to the quaility of naughty dog, insomniac and guerilla games are reason enough not to ignore it.
@CAD
I chalk the Carmac things to simply being something said by someone used to PC gaming, in which we all know the 360 has a closer resemblance to.
If the end results are that different (note I said “END” results) then the uproar can begin.
August 14th, 2009
@CAD.
let the adults talk and go play out in the park.
August 14th, 2009
hehe
August 14th, 2009
Phranctoast
I didn’t expect you to agree.
I did want to show that I was not blustering or using some silly ‘defense mechanism’ as you claimed.
You don’t see that Sony torched their PlayStation brand by trying to guarantee Blu-ray as the next HD format?
OK.
That’s up to you.
I think it’s a perfectly valid point.
The Blu-ray drive forced PS3 costs through the roof and gave it a launch price of $600/£425.
You don’t think that hurt?
OK
Your call.
I beg to differ.
I also differ over the highly dubious claim that PS3 has outsold anything – a claim I find more and more dubious with every NPK & Gkn release.
I see nobody is prepared to touch the HDMI question.
Doesn’t anyone know if the PS3 includes an HDMI cable?
Is it still just a composite line?
August 14th, 2009
Happy,
Serious question: So you absolutely loath Sony for providing all of thee “unwanted features” into there console yet you bought an Xbox, Plug and play kit, wireless network adapter, hard-drive, blu-ray player, and pay for XBL, etc.
It seems that the PS3 had everything you wanted in a less expensive, more convenient package. M$ has butt rapped you every step of the way. And yet you HATE the PS3…. it all makes perfect sense to me. Are you trying to convince us, or yourself?
August 14th, 2009
Barnabe Jones
Um, well 1st up I don’t “loath” Sony.
I just see them charging for features I don’t need.
My Elite cost £135 ($223 US/$266 AUS).
The plug and play kit cost £9 ($15/$17.75 AUS)
I bought the woreless adaptor cos I wanted it, not because I needed it (I have powerplug networking at home and could easily have used a simple networking cable).
I paid £40 ($66 US/$79 AUS).
The hard drive came in the Elite.
I already had a 500gb HDD in a USB caddy for my PC stuff.
Go ahead add it all up and then tell me how in your world that comes to more than the cost of a PS3…….
….then rethink your ideas about value.
I am into high quality a/v and was long before I bought my console.
Do you want me to include my HD receiver and speaker package too?
My Blu-ray player is far superior to the PS3 (it is multi-region for everything and plays HD DVDs too).
So instead of making ridiculous mental contortions to wheel out an idiotic “hate” claim go ahead, tell me how a PS3 would have been better.
I’m not here to convince or pursuade anyone (but the fact you talk in those terms – like some others here – speaks volumes about where you imagine you are coming from
)
August 14th, 2009
There is not doubt that the blu ray and the price of the ps3 is denying the ps3 higher numbers. You’d have to be an ass not to be able to see that.
My point based off of your point (my point if you want to technical
) is that the machine is selling enough to justify the extra effort. If it sold like the 32x or Jaguar, Neo Geo and CDi I would completely agree that theres no point in learning the intricacies of development.
August 14th, 2009
^^Barnabe, i couldnt put in better words
and with all that (high price, difficult to develop, bluray, wifi, the CELL) is not like the 360 is whooping the PS3 in total install base the lead has been cut to 6.3 million or something..which is not a big lead after considering the year ahead start and the 360 cheap price
August 14th, 2009
So, do none of the resident PS3 evangelists want to admit that the PS3 does not come with an HDMI cable?
Are Sony still so cheap that it still comes with only a sh*tty composite cable?
August 14th, 2009
Well of course you’re entited to your opinion phranctoast buit it would appear that more than a few devs disagree.
They obvious do not think the sales likely to be generated justify them spending a lot of time and money bothering to go to town on their PS3 releases.
August 14th, 2009
Barnabe Jones:
You so right he could had saved huge amount of money and still get more for less.
CAD: Your are ignorant pathetic idiot
harry sachz: You are on denial
Happyhockum: You a ignorant idiot on self destruction full on guilt and denial from buying the terrible Xbox 360.
Once you play the PlayStation you can’t never be without one is more addictive then a drug. If you want/need the greatest must gaming console in the world or just a massive amount of awesome gaming technology or the greatest movie player or the best living room radio or if you love photos the PS3 is for also it helps saving diseases. Sony loves you that’ts why we get the best all Xbots are bitching because they want what we have jealousy is all they always have.
For the Xbots Lol.
Live In Your World, Play In Ours.
kev:
We all ready know that we are the one keeping the site going. Because we keep coming back to talk facts and trash. Trash is of course the Xbots all they write. We know why Mike and Dave post those post. Sony always love.
like.no.other
August 14th, 2009
Ivan/Roca
Are you really so laughably retarded to imagine that I’ve never played on a PS3?
August 14th, 2009
Happy
‘My Blu-ray player is far superior to the PS3 (it is multi-region for everything and plays HD DVDs too)’
by saying ur BD player is better because is regio free you are confirming that the PS3 is better than the 360 because the PS3 is region free all the way…even for the PSN store.
and the PS3 bluray can play can us movies and japanese movies (that’s all I need)
August 14th, 2009
Ivan/Roca
No child, by saying that my Blu-ray player is region free everything it means that any comparison between PS3 and Xbox on this point is irrelevant and of no interest whatsoever to me.
PS3 is not region free for Blu-ray.
PS3 cannot play HD DVDs.
PS3 cannot bitstream and must convert the audio signal to PCM via software which introduces an additional stage and is one of the reason why PS3 audio is not considered to be all that amongst many a/v enthusiasts.
A PS3 as a Blu-ray player in my rack would very definitely be a very 2nd rate Blu-rtay player compared to what I have now, thanks.
August 14th, 2009
It still works out to be cheaper with the PS3, but that’s besides the point. I’ve read enough of your posts to realize that you are a tech savvy guy. The PS3 is and has been the perfect console for you. and you could have saved a few bucks along the way.
August 14th, 2009
Barnabe Jones
How?
How the hell could I have got anything close to the spec I have now by buying PS3?
If I had bought PS3 I would have to forget the 150+ HD DVDs I bought for next to nothing for a start.
I wouldn’t be able to source Blu-rays all over the world.
I would be stuck with 2nd rate audio.
I’d also be missing out on a larger and higher scored game catalogue.
You’ve obviously missed the part that made the biggest difference – I got my Elite brand new for £135 ($223 US/$266 AUS).
This was at a time when PS3s were over £300/$495 US/$592 AUS here in the UK.
There’s just no way a PS3 comes close.
August 14th, 2009
he ain’t no tech savy, he is GOOGLE boy. he lives in google.
ask him anything he comes back with a 2-page reply from google.
August 14th, 2009
‘If I had bought PS3 I would have to forget the 150+ HD DVDs I bought for next to nothing for a start’
see what I mean..they you go talking shit about the PS3 audio specs but bought 150+ HD DVDs which thir audio is way LOWER than bluray movies
August 14th, 2009
“Well of course you’re entited to your opinion phranctoast buit it would appear that more than a few devs disagree.
They obvious do not think the sales likely to be generated justify them spending a lot of time and money bothering to go to town on their PS3 releases.”
I can’t deny the initial difficulties from many devs when they first start developing games for the PS3. There has been a lot more progress and the only gripes we hear now are from developers that are used to working in a PC back ground. If sales are the reason for not putting in the extra effort, we can definitely say that that is your opinion.
Clearly though we are noticing more and more devs/games coming to the ps3 that were initially Xbox only so the money the ps3 makes for them outweighs sitting on their hands.
Even Valve are looking for PS3 development people.
August 14th, 2009
Elite= $223
3 years of life = $150 (or you get those at a bargain too)
wifi = $66
Just those 3 runs you about $440
and then you have to include you bluray player, the 500gb extener HDD, play n charge kit)
Barnabe You were right again
August 14th, 2009
Ivan/Roca
Er, no.
Some HD DVDs had 1.5Mbps Dolby Digital Plus audio tracks
(which incidentally is at the technical limit of that optical ink you know, the link you said ““Optical cable is as good as there is for Audio output”).
Many had lossless audio (Batman Begins on HD DVD had 7.1 DolbyTrueHD for instance).
300, Dawn of the Dead, Flags of our Fathers and The Perfect Storm all had Dolby TrueHD.
Blu-ray on the otherhand has not always had better audio,
Vanilla DTS & Dolbt Digital appears on several discs with no lossless companion track.
Aeon Flux, The Punisher, Sahara & Sleepy Hollow to name a few.
Once again you show you know nothing about a subject you witter on and on about as if you did.
You’ll also find that the 1080p visual image is still 1080p HD and therefore still a great improvement over DVD.
When I’ve been paying £2.99 ($5 US/$6 AUS) I’m prepared to put up with DD+ or DTS @ 1.5Mbps.
Oh and btw as many of us warned when it looked like Blu-ray might win out, they have now moved back to releasing a majority (almost 72%) of Blu-rays on BD25 single layer, not BD50 discs.
25gb verses HD DVDs 30gb (and in fact just before the plug was pulled HD DVD were about to move to 17gb layered discs = 34gb).
http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php
August 14th, 2009
Ivan/Roca
LMAO
Talk about reaching.
I didn’t need the wi-fi.
I don’t have to buy Gold Live.
My Blu-ray player was bought long before the console for my a/v rack.
My 500gb HDD was already there for my PC & my HTPC.
The only thing you can say I bought that you got included was the play and charge kit @ £9 ($15/$17.75 AUS)
Hows that lie about the HDMI cable going?
Still too chicksh*t to admit that PS3 comes with a composite cable?
August 14th, 2009
Happyhockum:
Is total moron he obviously never play a PS3 nor i do we believe he has a single HD DVD film. Idiot why that hell do we want HD DVD support on Blu-ray we obviously don’t care for lower quality crap. Dumb ass LMFAO he is a total IDIOT.
I’m just ignored this retard.
August 14th, 2009
B*gger
forgot a link would kill this – here goes –
Ivan/Roca
Er, no.
Some HD DVDs had 1.5Mbps Dolby Digital Plus audio tracks
(which incidentally is at the technical limit of that optical ink you know, the link you said ““Optical cable is as good as there is for Audio output”).
Many had lossless audio (Batman Begins on HD DVD had 7.1 DolbyTrueHD for instance).
300, Dawn of the Dead, Flags of our Fathers and The Perfect Storm all had Dolby TrueHD.
Blu-ray on the otherhand has not always had better audio,
Vanilla DTS & Dolbt Digital appears on several discs with no lossless companion track.
Aeon Flux, The Punisher, Sahara & Sleepy Hollow to name a few.
Once again you show you know nothing about a subject you witter on and on about as if you did.
You’ll also find that the 1080p visual image is still 1080p HD and therefore still a great improvement over DVD.
When I’ve been paying £2.99 ($5 US/$6 AUS) I’m prepared to put up with DD+ or DTS @ 1.5Mbps.
Oh and btw as many of us warned when it looked like Blu-ray might win out, they have now moved back to releasing a majority (almost 72%) of Blu-rays on BD25 single layer, not BD50 discs.
25gb verses HD DVDs 30gb (and in fact just before the plug was pulled HD DVD were about to move to 17gb layered discs = 34gb).
h**p://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php
August 14th, 2009
Ivan/Roca
Just the sort of idiotic and rather boring lumpen ignorance to be expected when your alter-ego just got shot down in flames.
August 14th, 2009
like i said before, I used to work for Mircrosoft and a friend of mine who is still with the company told me about the specs of the NEW ELITE.
but if that aint enough for you, you can google it ur self. in the mean time take at look at this and tell me if you notice anything different:
h**p://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/08/nopro2.jpg
August 14th, 2009
Ha ha ha ha ha
Contacts at Microsoft now is it?
LMAO.
How are you doing on that PS3 composite cable?
August 14th, 2009
here you go again with you google posts…
August 14th, 2009
Roca.:
Isn’t that old news. Same specs pure crap.
August 14th, 2009
well at least I know more about the new elite than you do because of that ‘contact @ M$’
August 14th, 2009
Roca.:
I’m a message you later on the PSN, okay but later in a couple hours. Xbox 360 is worst then garbage PS2 is more fun.
August 14th, 2009
damn blocked sites.
I like when Happy gets technical cuz he knows his shit.
I’d just like to point out a few things.
blu ray could potentially have the best audio due to more space. whether it gets utilized or not is up to the studio.
The HDDVD titles are the exception more than the rule. Blu ray was adding a lot more titles with lossless audio. While they exist for both the picture you paint is closer to a scribbling on a napkin.
You mention the 30GB HDDVD disc, but not all HDDVD were using double layer discs either. If they were who’s to say they were even using close to 25gig that was available on a single layer blu ray.
What I notice is, high profile (new) titles get the treatment but catalog stuff kind of gets the shaft. There are exceptions obviously.
August 14th, 2009
Hows you composite cable?
You come here gurning that the new Elite doesn’t have an HDMI cable on the basis of a pic which may or may not be real (as if that actually proves anything anyways) and your beloved PS3 doesn’t even have an HDMI cable, just a composite cable.
Hypocrite much?
August 14th, 2009
oh and Happy.
a $6 HDMI cable is not something to throw in the mix and keep mentioning over and over. Not when Xbox live cost $5 a month. lets kill that topic.
August 14th, 2009
phranctoast:
LMFAO Wow LoL…
“I like when Happy gets technical cuz he knows his shit.”
What a joke.
Toshiba now runs with Sony’s Blu-ray Disc.
August 14th, 2009
Phranctoast
You’re right, a reelative handful of discs were HD 15s.
Including HD15 combos it comes to 14.5% of all HD DVD releases.
(so 85.5% were either HD30 or HD30 combos)
Just under 25% of all HD DVDs had lossless audio.
(20.2% of all Blu-ray releases have lossy audio)
BTW I have to fess up, my BD25 comment was wrong, I misread the data.
The correct figure is 38.1% are on BD25.
August 14th, 2009
Phranctoast
As I said, I have no interest in the cable either way. I used my own much better one and not the cable included anyways.
I just think it’s laughable that the idiot rolls in to whinge that the Elite may (or may not) be losing its HDMI cable when the PS3 never came with one and in fact did come with the lowest quality sh*tty connection possible
(composite!?…..come on, composite, ffs).
It’s more than a little tragic
(but at the level to be expected from that quarter)
August 14th, 2009
Ivan/Roca
Toshiba applied to join the bDA, that’s true.
What we don’t know is their level of committment.
Will they buy in and rebadge a cheapo unit or will they design and sell their own high quality machine (a Blu-ray version of the HD XE 1/HD XA2 would be very very nioce quality)?
Either way their involvement does not prove Blu-ray is going to succeed in taking DVds place.
August 14th, 2009
@Ivan
I won’t deny his knowledge in the AV HD media formats. At some point I used to be really up on that. Now…its all faaaaading.
Roca is either an idiot or a genius.. I cant figure it out.
He’s an idiot for some of the stupid shit that finds it way from his keyboard to the PC.
He’s a genius because he completely baits you and has you arguing for hours upon hours on a topic you know more about.
If I may speak for the majority……
We find it Awesome and Entertaining.
August 14th, 2009
this guy is driving me crazy…enough with your bluray comments…ur the only one who give a shit
August 14th, 2009
Guys I’m be back a little later playing PS3. Roca read my PSN message i send it now. This website is dead i’m switch to one with more then 6 people.
August 14th, 2009
LOL CAD Where in that does it say the 360 is WAY ahead of the PS3? You are making shit up!
August 14th, 2009
Happy – i agree. i don’t know of anyone that even uses wifi, thusly didn’t have to be charged for it.
It’s funny the ps3 zealouts don’t include the cost ($50+) of a voicecommunicator with their launch priced $600 ps3….
i, like you, don’t understand sony’s rationale for touting 1080p, then not providing the cables to display this resolution. it just seems weird…and more than a little selfish….
CAD – it’s pretty telling when a legend like John Carmack trashes the gpu in public. I think he knows more about game development than all the ps3 fanboys put together….all 3 of them….
it also adds a lot of credibility to the other developers who also pointed out the ps3’s ineffecient architecture and prolly why Ken Kuturagi, the ps3’s creator, was the first to claim, “the ps3 wasn’t designed as a game console”….
the “cell” processor that the sony fans like to spout off about was never designed for gaming applications, but rather networking applications. this is prolly why it’s so cumbersome and costly to squeeze any performance out of the ps3.
It’s funny watching the ps3 fanboys claim the “potential” of the ps3. if they had done their homework, they would know the ps3 can, at best, run at about 70% efficiency, thusly adding proof to the claim the ps3 hasn’t reached it’s “full potential”… the truth is; it never will at 70%…. it’s okay, tho…it gives the ps3 fanboys something to dream and hype about….
remember sony’s (and their fanboys) claim of the ps2’s “hidden power”? same thing with the ps3… I”m just glad the hundreds of millions of gamers have seen through sony’s b.s. this generation and have ignored sony and their trojan horse strategy…..
August 14th, 2009
Ivan im at work…wont be back home until after 9 PM EST
August 14th, 2009
Happy – Toshiba’s entry into bluray is a thorn in sony’s side. Now that toshiba is on the market, they stand to make quarters on the dollar on hardware versus sony’s pennies on the dollar for licensing…. Toshiba has a way of undercutting sony on pricing and this looks to be no different.
the really bad news is that Toshiba owns the manufacturing lines for the Cell processors and now stand to take even more money from sony…..
you brought up a valid point. Great Job!
August 14th, 2009
“Seriously, if you’re still using the cheapest HDMI cables thrown in by anybody then you’re a bit dim and not getting the most out of your system.
Of course I’m not referring to the rip-off such brands as ‘Monster’ indulge in but there is a difference between bottom feeder garbage and a decent bespoke cable.”
@Happy
Reading that first sentence I was going to give you a nice long lecture! After reading the second sentence, you have runied my fun and you are a BASTARD! lol
August 14th, 2009
Okay cool. Well I’m playing Killzone 2 now so cya later i guess. And cool job LoL what ever it is.
kev:
LoL i thought you had a PS3. All that is wrong.
ncaissie:
CAD is always trying to predict the future LoL full of BS.
August 14th, 2009
Sony sold it Cell Broadband Engine but they can still use it.
August 14th, 2009
It seems that the PS3 had everything you wanted in a less expensive, more convenient package. M$ has butt rapped you every step of the way. And yet you HATE the PS3…. it all makes perfect sense to me. Are you trying to convince us, or yourself?
Let me explain something to you. Packing in features that will balloon the cost of a console way above the price of what any Game Console is worth is a rediclus move. Yes buying the PS3 may cost less depending on what you need and it may work out that the extra features are things you may need but you agrument is really foolish. First, Wireless is a slower connection speed. The 360 is about Online gaming and pretty much Online everything. Using a ethernet cable is way better then wireless which can drop connections. I have wittnessed my friends PS3 drop connection many times. Therefore if you choose to go with the slower speed but more conveneient wireless that is your choice. Hardwire for me always and that goes even if I had a PS3. Second, the PS3 is in 3rd place because of price. Most consumers cannot afford to go out and buy a console for $400 when there are other options ranging from $150-$300. What you can’t afford today you may be able to afford over time. On top of that there are other options then going out to buy these extra perpetuals. For example I’m sure that were all not paying high fees for High Speed Internet service just to connect to our consoles to play online gaming. If you do then all the power to you. Me personally would never do that. Why pay $47 for a 10 Mbps Speed just for your console. Therefore I will speculate that everyone has a Laptop/PC/Mac. If wireless means that much to you then you can simply use your Laptop as your wireless connection instead of buying the adapter. Money and time saved. As for the Plug and Play Charger I have been over this already. First the cable that comes with the PS3 controller is short and sucks when your couch is too far from the PS3. A replacement PS3 controller cost $55 where the 360 Play & Charge kit cost $24 and a single Battery cost $15. If you have rechargeable Batteries then you don’t even have to worry about the Play & Charge Kit because any AA Battery recharge or not is going to work.
Now lets talk about PS3’s added cost. HDMI Cable $50 to $100. Hard Drive swap because we all know about the many games with Mandatory Installs. I’m not the expert here but I’m going to say $100. Blutooth Headset $54 and Bluray remote controller $30. So were upto $250-$300 over and above the price of a PS3. WOW!! Where is your less expensive, more convenient package Now?
August 14th, 2009
Blah Blah Blah wtf was long bad paragraph jealously bitterness stfu stop crying. bs
August 14th, 2009
Here is instructions for those who want to know how to use your laptop for you Wireless.
(http://www.instructables.com/id/Use-your-laptop-as-an-XboxXbox-360-wireless-adap/)
August 14th, 2009
‘Hard Drive swap because we all know about the many games with Mandatory Installs. I’m not the expert here but I’m going to say $100. Blutooth Headset $54 and Bluray remote controller $30. So were upto $250-$300 over and above the price of a PS3. WOW!! Where is your less expensive, more convenient package Now’
HDMI cable = couple of bucsk
HDD = 80GB and 160 is enough for games and it comes with the system (free)
headset = any wired pc/ps2 headset works (all blu-tooth works (cheat blue-tooth = $15)
bluray remote = the PS3 controller work just fine.
***bigger HHD is just for ppl who like to take full advantage of the PS3 like me and Jofa but if you have just for gaming 80gb and 160gb is all you need***
August 14th, 2009
@CAD.
you pricing structure is a little bit off.
Sony sells an HDMI cable for $20. You can buy them cheaper ( I got mine for under $5).
The HDD could easily be up to $100 or more, obviously depending on what you have. You can get close to a 500gig with the what you are suggesting to spend.
Now the bluetooth headset costs around $40 but you can get it with games that are packaged with it for barely any additional cost (see warhawk and SOCOM)
Blu ray remote???? not even close to a necessity.
August 14th, 2009
Ivan/Roca
“but if you have just for gaming 80gb and 160gb is all you need”
Well ain’t that an interesting little admission.
August 14th, 2009
Knighthawk
Always glad to oblige.
August 14th, 2009
phranctoast:
SOCOM brings the best headset i got the one from Warhawk. I got my HDMI cables free one came with my Alienware for free and the other with my Bravia 58″ from Sony corp. I got the PS3 Blu-ray remote control.
amazon.com/PS3-HDMI-Cable-Playstation-3/dp/B000KI99SG
August 14th, 2009
CAD – have you seen how short the ps3’s “play and charge” cable is? really…how can anyone play with a 2 foot cable? lol…..
August 14th, 2009
I got a new USB on 2007 for $20 is six feet long. My PS3 controller hardly needs to be charge. I rather have a short USB cable then having to buy batteries or a Play Charge Kit. Plus the USB is only for recharging not to play.
August 14th, 2009
Ivan/Roca
Wow, you have the best!
Amazing HD TV & PC and everything.
Gosh, you’re such an impressive alpha hetrosexual.
We are not worthy.
BTW……
…..I thought you were going to f*ck off to a site with more and more interesting people?
August 14th, 2009
Don’t let the door smash your ar$e on the way out.
August 14th, 2009
Who do you mean Happy..
kev?
I’m glad I don’t have to buy batteries. ;P
August 14th, 2009
Enjoy this videos drool if you want. PS3 I ♥
The Last Guardian
gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-the-last/50352
Heavy Rain
gametrailers.com/episode/gametrailers-tv/60?ch=1&sd=0
UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves
gametrailers.com/episode/gametrailers-tv/64?ch=1&sd=0
God of War III
gametrailers.com/game/god-of-war-iii/3455
IvanPlayStation4LiFe
youtube.com/profile?user=IvanPlayStation4LiFe&view=videos
August 14th, 2009
phranctoast
It was Ivan/Roca, he claimed he was leaving.
“Ivan_PSP:
August 14th, 2009
This website is dead i’m switch to one with more then 6 people.”
August 14th, 2009
“the “cell” processor that the sony fans like to spout off about was never designed for gaming applications, but rather networking applications.”
LOL you are a fuckin idiot. After that statement I will never read another one of your posts.
Fuckin moron
August 14th, 2009
ncaissie:
Sony design the Cell Broadband Engine specifically for gaming.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_%28microprocessor%29
August 14th, 2009
I picked it 6 Ten foot HDMI and Ten foot USB cables for $8 each set.
The same as theses ones.
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10097597&catid=
August 14th, 2009
“you pricing structure is a little bit off.”
Phranctoast
Just like your able to find deals we’re able to find deals. It’s the same thing but some people love to toot their horn so I’m just tooting back. If you know better, then you know that I know better, so don’t bother responding to a post made for the idiots.
August 14th, 2009
I know Ivan I was quoting Kev the idiot.
August 14th, 2009
ncaissie:
I already know you know that the Cell was design for gaming. But that that idiot that said it wasn’t wow what total moron.
August 14th, 2009
who’s got Marvel vs Capcom 2?
August 14th, 2009
Not me. Just shut the PS3 off.
August 14th, 2009
sorry fanboys, but the “cell” was developed with the idea that sony appliances would/could be networked to one another. the fact you have to use wiki (which has been proven to have false sony ps3 information) really underscores this….
the “cell” is also supposed to be the heart in tv, radios, stereos, bluray players, etc, etc, etc…each very NON-gaming related…
but hey… believe what you want…. you’re all beyond reasoning with anyway as Ivan, Roca and phranc has proved time and again….
August 14th, 2009
Kev
Don’t worry they are to stupid to realize that. Maybe I should pull out the old Ken and Kaz statements about “The PS3 is not a gaming machine” LOL!!!
August 14th, 2009
http://www.research.ibm.com/cell/
here you go… altho i’m certain Mike Ferro won’t let this link go through…..
August 14th, 2009
CAD – i posted a link from IBM for the cell designed uses, but i’m certain Mike won’t let the link go out of “Awaiting moderation”… as usual….
August 14th, 2009
Sounds very conceptual there kev. Why talk about what something was supposed to be. Like kev was supposed to be a sticky stain but unlike the PS3 and cell there was not too much evolution.
Where are these TV, radios, stereos and blu ray players (besides the PS3) that are utilizing the cell?
All I know of is the PS3.
does the PS3 use the cell to render graphics kev?
Is the cell used as the processor in the PS3 kev?
August 14th, 2009
Goddamn it CAD.
you mean “too stupid”!
August 14th, 2009
Ninja boy is back! (kev)
August 14th, 2009
That’s why the games for PS3 look some fucking awesome kev/CAD is a total moron. If if wasn’t design for gaming why that hell do PS3 games look so damn beautiful UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves.
August 14th, 2009
“Where are these TV, radios, stereos and blu ray players (besides the PS3) that are utilizing the cell?”
I guess you guys don’t listen to the news.
August 14th, 2009
Yeah and my TV was not meant to be a TV.
And my Truck was not meant to get you from point A to point B.
What a stupid thing to say. I don’t give a shit who said it. It’s plain and simply a stupid statement.
August 14th, 2009
The Madden games are a prime example of developers getting with it.
Madden 08….30 fps.
09 and 2010….60 fps.
August 14th, 2009
I believe what was trying to be conveyed is that the PS3 is not simply just a game machine. That has only one purpose. As both Sony and MS have shown, neither systems are just game machines. It humors me that these guys get off on a more than likely a badly translated statement which at the same time is 100% correct.
so CAD….is the 360 just a game machine?
August 14th, 2009
dont bother phranctoast..
the 360 is everything to them
August 14th, 2009
If Mel Gibson was a 360 zealot… I think he would be very similar to CAD.
August 14th, 2009
****And This Years Awards…..Goes****
Best 360 fanboy: Carlb
worst 360 Fanboy: Kev (CON and HH runner up)
360 fanboy witn no knowledge of other gaming console: CAD, (Runner up, Kev)
360 fanboy with Blinders: Happy
Funniest 360 Fanboy: Harry
360 Fanboy Dream Team: CAD, CON, Kev, HH, Harry
6th Man of the Year: Andrew DS
Most Valuable Hater: Happy
August 14th, 2009
Roca.:
CarlB has a PS3 oh am i wrong.
phranctoast:
I got Madden NFL 10 i made it for Xbox 360 is the same shit not worth buying. I don’t really get sports game so don’t ask anything about it.
CAD is a total diluted moron like harry sachz and happyhockum. PLAYSTATION 3 is the elite gaming system. Real gamers own PlayStation.
August 14th, 2009
Ivan/Roca
Ha ha.
Look at him talking to himself.
1 v 100 is awesome!
Just won some nice stuff.
August 14th, 2009
CAD – of course they don’t listen to the news. Unless it comes from Playstation websites or the Sony Defense Force….
wow, you really pissed these guys off…they are name calling like there’s no tomorrow… then again, once the facts are presented, that’s all they have left….
it’s weird; even when i post a link from IBM who created the cell processor, it somehow isn’t credible in the face of ps3 fanboy “knowledge” somehow…
i really don’t think these clowns could be get any sillier…. sony must be sooooo proud to have these guys rooting for them… lol…
anyway, out for the weekend…. have a good one, CAD and harry. c-ya on monday…
August 14th, 2009
kev:
Oh my god dude you just gave a fucking awesome idea to bring more people to hate the Xbox 360. You will soon know what da fv<k i’m t@Lk!nG ab0uT. Oh i almost forgot CAD is a stupid idiot/moron. IBM Sony and Toshiba created the Cell Broadband Engine not just IBM lunatic. 3 People for Xbots LMFAO pathetic. Sony 4 LiFe & PlayStation 4 Infinite.
PlayStation is gaming. Soon it will be like Google is. Look up Google on your dictionary. Soon you will be able to lookup PlayStation there too.
August 14th, 2009
Awwww Kev didn’t tip his hat to the rest of us.
I some how feel left out….
August 14th, 2009
Ivan/Roca
What have you done?
Invited your fellow moronic f*ckwit kiddies to come & join us and be laughed at from one of your fav PS3 fanzines?
Great.
I look forward to ripping the pi$$ out of them every day too.
August 14th, 2009
Roca.:
August 14th, 2009
here you go again with you google posts…
Ivan_PSP:
August 14th, 2009
Roca.:
Isn’t that old news. Same specs pure crap.
Roca.:
August 14th, 2009
well at least I know more about the new elite than you do because of that ‘contact @ M$’
Ivan_PSP:
August 14th, 2009
Roca.:
I’m a message you later on the PSN, okay but later in a couple hours. Xbox 360 is worst then garbage PS2 is more fun.
GET A FUCKING LIFE AND STOP POSTING TO YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMFAO!!!!!!
August 14th, 2009
Seriously what a loser you are. You are beyond pathetic! What’s the name of the other one you used and actually replied to yourself by accident??? Lol
And learn some fucking english!
August 14th, 2009
The nuke pic for the article surely was an omen for the comments.
August 14th, 2009
so xbox ppl say “we have the option” when they know they its way better to have everything all in one…it’s like a safety net so to speak but plus to say blu ray isnt a necessary is fucking joke….look to the future people. rage is stated to be run on 2-3 discs and on the 360 that cost money to to make on to multiple cd’s if im not mistaken…pubs see this and sony will get more attention due to that
August 14th, 2009
So true Xbox has multiple disc to run a full game which is waste of money for the developers. Xbots are just on full denial all diluted morons LMFAO. We all know PS3 is the supreme power for elite gamers. If you want garbage you gotta get the Xbox aka red light of death e74 Blu-Less. Xbot have the worst come back ever they are so lame and pathetic is sad. lol
August 14th, 2009
escapistmagazine.com/news/view/93887-Sony-Korea-Sculpts-Giant-Sand-PlayStation-3
playstationlifestyle.net/2009/08/14/hot-babes-sandcastles-and-playstation-oh-my/
1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3175585
August 14th, 2009
This place has been overrun by fanboys on all sides …… ps3 and 360.
August 14th, 2009
Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08
Yes you are mistaken.
DVDs cost fractions of a penny, Blu-rays cost a hell of a lot more.
The future is digital distribution, not discs.
It certainly was not good for me to have a load of features I did not want and had no intention of buying twice, especially when the PS3 version (Blu-ray) was so 2nd rate compared to what I preferred to buy.
August 14th, 2009
@Kev:CAD:HH:and to any other X-bot who mentioned the length of the PS3 cord.
First off how in the hell did you guy’s go from “tapping into PS3 extra power to talking trash about controller cords? Just like everything else you try and change the subject but in reality once again you don’t know what you are talking about. The cord from the PS3 is about 5ft long not 2ft and you only have to use it if your charging the controller up. You can put the PS3 in stand by mode and have your controller charging while your not playing or you can hook the damn thing up to your comp and charge it that way. Or you can kidnap a X-bot and bend him over and stick the USB up his ass and charge it that way, the list goes on and on. And we all know how X-boxes controllers work I had the same type for my PS2 and it was a pain in the rear. Rechargable batteries suck and regular batteries drain to fast in a controller. So once again you guys bitch and moan for features you wish you had for your machine.
August 14th, 2009
@Spideydog:
Hey man thats a pretty evil looking clown pic you have there?
August 14th, 2009
@HH:
If the PS3 BR is so second rate, why then does every one say it is pretty solid (top-notch)?
Hell it’s been out how long now and is still top of the line BR?
August 14th, 2009
Ghost
I did not mention the PS3 cord – but as you mention it 5′ does sound very short.
Xbox supporters hijack a thread?!
You’re kidding.
Go look at every Xbox thread and you’ll see everyone of them hijacked to talk cr@p about PS3 (the lastest being the one on Xbox arcade games).
I don’t recognise your description of the plug and play stuff either.
It’s a very handy and useful device.
Of course I could just use ordinary rechargeable batteries if I liked too (which I already had, I did not have to buy the Xbox thing but did for convenience and appearance).
Why do you say they suck?
Maybe it’s the difference between quality batteries?
Again, your description does not accord with my experience at all.
August 14th, 2009
Ghost
Compared to my stand-alone it is 2nd rate.
It is not Blu-ray region free.
I very much doubt it is DVD region free.
It can’t play HD DVDs.
It can’t bitstream HD audio properly.
To me those are essential qualities I need and PS3 just can’t do them.
I think you’ll also find people are now reevaluating it in terms of where it stands in the Blu-ray pecking order.
It’s fast loading, that’s about it.
I’m not saying it’s a bad Blu-ray player, but it is feature-lite compared to many now.
Obviously the dual format stuff can not apply to any other Blu-ray player beyond the 3 players that were produced that do that.
One of my mates just bought a Sony S350 Blu-ray stand-alone after using a PS3 for a couple of years, he was shocked at how much better (audio & picture quality) the S350 was compared to his (original release 60gb) PS3.
Personally I was shocked to hear him say that.
(I’ve yet to see it for myself in a side by side comparison but my pal is a home cinema nut and knows what he is doing)
August 15th, 2009
As far as I’m aware, the ps3 blu-ray is region free …… both games and movie
I don’t want to play HD DVD’s
I have no real interest in playing DVD’s so region free DVD is of even less interest
Can’t comment on hd audio bitstream
Ps3 blu-ray is upgradable
As far as I have seen, the ps3 blu-ray is comparable to other stand alone players.
August 15th, 2009
@ Ghost. Thanks, Pennywise is pretty cool
August 15th, 2009
they all float down here.
August 15th, 2009
Spideydog:
“As far as I’m aware, the ps3 blu-ray is region free …… both games and movie”
Wrong.
Spideydog:
“I don’t want to play HD DVD’s”
Good for you.
Go ahead & miss out on several hundred classic movies in high definition and with high definition audio going for peanuts, why should I care?
Spideydog:
“I have no real interest in playing DVD’s so region free DVD is of even less interest”
Good for you again.
Good job we’re not all into the same thing, it’s be a very boring place otherwise.
S’funny tho how so many champion the PS3 as an amazing video player and yet when its short-comings are point ed out they suddenly become the bits certain people are interested in.
Spideydog:
“Can’t comment on hd audio bitstream”
Look it up if you’re really interested.
I’m telling it exactly as it is.
PS3 cannot bitstream HD audio and what it does do is convert HD audio to a PCM stream which it then sends to your receiver.
The conversion is done by software and is another (unwanted) stage – this is why many a/v enthusiasts note the PS3 audio sounds ’softer’ compared to a proper dedicated bitstreaming Blu-ray player player.
It’s the curse of the jack-of-all-trades approach.
Spideydog:
“Ps3 blu-ray is upgradable”
It was.
They are now at the supposedly ‘final’ spec ‘profile 2.0′.
So is my stand-alone and so are all the new stad-alones.
There isn’t supposed to be any more ‘upgrading’ so that’s a rather redundant point.
Even in terms of firmware tweaks etc (hardly a ‘plus point’) most stand-alones now (like mine) have a networking connection and are equally upgradable.
Spideydog:
“As far as I have seen, the ps3 blu-ray is comparable to other stand alone players.”
I think you’ll find I didn’t say it wasn’t.
Its just no longer the best spec or price mix.
My point here is that people can’t hold up the PS3 as the best Blu-ray player when it isn’t.
It is lacking several features (the audio especially) compared to many stand-alones now out.
August 15th, 2009
Happy
Spideydog:
“Ps3 blu-ray is upgradable”
It was.
They are now at the supposedly ‘final’ spec ‘profile 2.0′”
As long as the PS3 has bluray/ hard drive/ internet access. it will always be upgradable. any new software/feature on any new BD player can be also upgrade to the PS3 via a patch.
Hope u learned something today.
August 15th, 2009
I think you missed his point somewhat.
Point was that should be no need to upgrade anymore if indeed 2.0 is latest revision of the blu ray spec. So any ‘Blu ray futureproofing’ shouldn’t ever be required and therefore is useless/uneeded.
August 15th, 2009
Thanks for that, SW.
That was exactly my meaning.
Any genuine ‘upgrade’ beyond profile 2.0 (thereby leaving all the existing standa-lone owners out in the cold) would be the kiss of death to Blu-ray, it was bad enough with all the trouble profile 1.0 and 1.1 created……and the tales of an audio-only profile 3.0 didn’t get well received either.
It’s nice to keep the discussion on track despite the best efforts of you-know-who.
August 16th, 2009
Well like I said the PS3 has been out how long??? So BR has to advance like anything else… But it’s still top of the line for alot of folks. Plus you get a kick-ass game system and a BR all in one. And I hate to say it but most of your so called
“a/v enthusiasts” with your high dollar equipment got suckerd into buying alot of shit they don’t need to enjoy movies/games. I mean there is
very few people who can tell certain audio apart from others. You would need to have hearing like a dog? Now don’t get me wrong you can tell good quality video from bad but you guys are taking it to the extremes. I like surround sound and a big flat screen hell thats all you really need. BR is here to stay no matter what you or I or anybody else thinks about it.(for good or bad)
August 16th, 2009
HH I offer a simple opinion to counter your arguments and you go off an a rant full of spite. Nowhere in my reply was it spiteful or having a go at you.
What is your problem exactly? Is it simply that you have no time for people that don’t conform to your opinion? Or you weren’t loved enough as a child and have a hate complex!!
My point was simply that everyone is not interested in HDdvd or even region free standard dvd. But according to you, everyone should care about these things or else they are fanboys.
The ps3, blu-ray movie wise, is technically not “region free” but there are hundreds of movies that are coded region free. Ps3 games are region free.
Get your head out of your arse and try and be sociable without biting peoples heads off when they differ to your opinion.
August 16th, 2009
I should say “not everyone is interested”
Typo, sorry.
August 16th, 2009
Ghost:
“I hate to say it but most of your so called
“a/v enthusiasts” with your high dollar equipment got suckerd into buying alot of shit they don’t need to enjoy movies/games. I mean there is
very few people who can tell certain audio apart from others”
Once you get to a certain level that is very true.
Once you get to a certain level. It is not a blanket truth.
You have to get to a certain (high end) level to hit those diminishing returns.
Interesting line to take tho considering the high-end lossless audio and higher quality PQ is where Sony built their Blu-ray format.
Nevertheless if you have cheap kit (speaker package as well as receiver) then you are missing out.
Spideydog
You might want to look into the meaning of the term debate.
First off this began with me in debate with someone else, not you.
You came in and gave your opinion.
I then answered your points one by one and gave my view.
Did you think once you gave your little lecture that was the end of the matter?
Maybe you thought you’d given an amazing ’show-stopping’ comment?
My answer had zero ’spite’ in it (interesting leap you made there tho) and I was not having a ‘go’.
Interesting that the 1st thing you do is to start making dig (”loved enough as a child”? FFS Welcome to the sad trolling amatuer psych hour).
That’s pathetic, spiteful and having a go right there.
Bit like your pathetic ‘angry’ trolling BS.
I already said I could care less whether you or anyone else is interested in HD DVD.
But for those who claim to be movie lovers it seems to me that they missed out big style on cheap HD content (and the players also got very cheap too).
You should try reading all that again, I was giving my reasoning (to someone else) as to why I wanted the specs I did and how come the PS3 was a non-starter for me.
I am well aware that quite a few Blu-rays are not region coded.
Never the less many are and the PS3 is region locked for Blu-ray and DVD.
You might want to try takling your own advice……..here it is again in case you forgot – “Get your head out of your arse and try and be sociable without biting peoples heads off when they differ to your opinion.”
August 16th, 2009
I remember when recievers and speakers (surround sound) were really expensive. But now they are made by all the companys and are pretty cheap. I dont know I am a little deaf (to many Pantera concerts), so I kinda like my surround sound. Why am I missing out?
August 16th, 2009
Ghost
It’s about the ability of your kit to recreate the full audio range (this costs a lot of money) and then present the sound field properly and as intended.
Cheap kit (receiver and speakers) simply can’t give the precision, purity and clarity nor handle the full range of frequencies that lossless offers.
I used to enjoy my old pro-logc too and then my AC3 Dolby Digital & vanilla DTS.
Nevertheless lossless audio done properly really is something else.
But, as has always been the case, high quality audio costs a lot of money.
The components cost and the quality of workmanship necessary to do it right costs.
Whether it’s worth it or not is only something you can decide but seeing as excellent audio is a huge part of the movie experience it’s my choice to go for the necessary equipment.
The one thing high-end kit does do is expose the weakest links in the chain.
If you have been at this for a while you’ll regret downloading all that old 128kbps MP3 stuff cos it’ll sound horrible.
Similarly DVDs where they have been less than interested in maxing the soundtrack quality will be shown up and sound terrible.
On the otherhand feeling the very bowels of the earth shake whilst hearing crystal clear dialogue and the surround left, right’ mids and rears can be simply outstanding.
High quality lossless is a big leap, just as pro-logic surround was a leap over stereo.
August 17th, 2009
Grow up HH you spoilt little child.
HH said: “First off this began with me in debate with someone else, not you.”
News flash buddy …. when you post on here, you are debating with everyone.
HH said: “You came in and gave your opinion.
I then answered your points one by one and gave my view.”
If that’s what YOU call it. I call it a rage rant tantrum because you didn’t get your way.
HH said: ” “Get your head out of your arse and try and be sociable without biting peoples heads off when they differ to your opinion.”
Once again you can’t use your own material and resort to the “I’m not….. you are” school yard taunt. Come back when you have something original.
Have a nice day fanboy.
August 17th, 2009
Don’t bother
August 17th, 2009
Typical feeble trolling Spideydog.
You’re getting way to obvious old son, best try a new tack that isn’t so transparent.
You’re so clearly full of it and it shows.
Try baiting someone who’ll give a sh*te next time and leave what was a decent bit of to and fro to those interested in doing a little more than trying to provoke yet another tired old row.
Hilarios to see your support roll in.
Ivan/Roca.
That it should come to that, eh, oh incredibly balanced, impartial and fair one?
LMAO
August 17th, 2009
I dont see anybody supporting you on ur usual fanboy rants
August 17th, 2009
so CAD….is the 360 just a game machine?
Of course it isn’t but it is a game machine First!! Do you see Microsoft having commercials on TV about the abilities to play Movies. NO!! The extra features are not even advertised. Sure it shows up on the box art but there not booking ad space or airtime to tell you about it. A press conference here and there and news articles is the base of advertising these features. When I first bought my 360 I had no Idea all the extra stuff was included. It was not until I bought my 360 on the PS3 launch day with 5 games that I knew that it played Movies/TV, had arcade games that are Downloaded when I came home and hooked it up. I was blown away at the extra features that came with the console. Besides we don’t have stupid CEO’s that don’t know if they are selling a game machine or not. Microsoft does not need to find itself.
August 17th, 2009
“Besides we don’t have stupid CEO’s that don’t know if they are selling a game machine or not. Microsoft does not need to find itself.”
yeah I agree…all M$ CEO are jupping ship suddenly
August 17th, 2009
Who, like Phill Harrison, or Ken Kutaragi?
August 17th, 2009
LOL!
August 17th, 2009
Well they at least had their reasons. They didnt just suddenly disappear like most M$ CEO’s
August 17th, 2009
So Roca do you care to tell me who these missing CEO’s are? Should I check the Milk Carton?
August 17th, 2009
Peter Moore (not sure if was the CEO, but he was one of the C’s)
August 17th, 2009
Oh an he just suddenly dissapared did he!
LOL x Infinity.
Roca really you should try reading the news paper daily. It might just increase your knowledge.
August 17th, 2009
Stop feeding the trolls, CAD!
August 18th, 2009
HH said: “Try baiting someone who’ll give a sh*te next time and leave what was a decent bit of to and fro to those interested in doing a little more than trying to provoke yet another tired old row.”
I knew you couldn’t resist, I am sure you won’t cry all day
For someone that doesn’t bite and doesn’t give a shite, you sure don’t look like it.
HH said: “That it should come to that, eh, oh incredibly balanced, impartial and fair one?”
Point out exactly where I have not been unfair to xbox/microsoft? Go on ….. You won’t be able too, because your version of balanced and impartial is “conform to your opinion”
August 18th, 2009
Oh there he goes again.
Try try and try again.
You really are obvious.
August 18th, 2009
Obviously.
Like a kid with a $2 sweet, you just can’t let go.
August 18th, 2009
I know you can’t.
August 18th, 2009
Hahahaha
“I’m not, but you are”
LOL
August 18th, 2009
Love…. exciting and new.
August 18th, 2009
Free love …
August 21st, 2009
spidey – “Point out exactly where I have not been unfair to xbox/microsoft? Go on ….. You won’t be able too, because your version of balanced and impartial is “conform to your opinion”
every single time you blame ms for bad hardware while praising sony for theirs….
August 21st, 2009
“every single time you blame ms for bad hardware while praising sony for theirs….”
he is just speaking the truth
August 23rd, 2009
Kev: “every single time you blame ms for bad hardware while praising sony for theirs….”
Cut and paste my comment ….. when I say point out, I mean proof, not a bullshit comment.
Back your claim or STFU
September 2nd, 2009
spidey – the PROOF is in every “360 quality sucks” routine of yours….
go ahead…pretend you don’t know what i’m talking about….