Devs losing confidence with console based MMO games? (PS3/Xbox 360)
Just two years ago, many thought that we would be experiencing a MMO renaissance on home game consoles such as the PS3 and Xbox 360 this year. However, it’s two years later and there is no sight of a MMO on any of the home consoles. Could developers be getting cold feet about bringing MMOs to the consoles?
One of the biggest problems with MMOs on the consoles could be attributed to the payment model. There is a clear indication that most studios feel a subscription model will not work on the consoles. Representatives from studios such as SOE have indicated that they are exploring free-to-play model, which has been highly successful in Asia.
Sony revealed three MMOs in development for the PS3 – DC Universe, The Agency and Free Realms. None of the MMOs have yet hit the PS3 currently. The Agency and DC Universe was teased to release this year but they have been delayed into next year. Free Realms is still expected to hit the PS3 by the end of the year. Free Realms is already out on the PC has received positive reviews with over five million subscribers. The fact that Sony keeps delaying these MMOs makes it seem like even the developers are a bit hesitant about using a free-to-play model on the PS3.
APB (All Points Bulletin) is a title that may not be making it to the Xbox 360. The MMO was originally planned to be released on the Xbox 360 along with the PC version but recent information from a Q&A session with the developers indicate that the studio will be thinking about the notion of porting APB to consoles after releasing it on the PC.
The head of Cryptic studios, Jack Emmert indicated that things are still being worked out between the company and Microsoft over Champions Online for the Xbox 360. According to Destructoid the problem might stem from the same issue Lord of the Rings Online faced. The studio wanted to use a free-to-play model but Microsoft did not like the idea.
All signs with MMO issues seem to point directly towards the payment model on consoles. Companies like Microsoft do not feel that a free-to-play model will work and believe that a model like the highly successful Xbox Live subscription scheme would be better. However Microsoft’s competitor, Sony is pinning hopes on free-to-play model and the fact Playstation Home generated over a million within a quarter may have solidified the company’s stance. Regardless of which model each company decides to go with one thing is clear, everyone is stalling to get MMOs on consoles.
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August 17th, 2009
I heard ABP for the X360 got canned..still coming to PC
August 17th, 2009
“The studio wanted to use a free-to-play model but Microsoft did not like the idea. ”
This is what i got from that whole article…Fuck you microsoft, and you think this will stop here?
Go ahead and continue to support a company like with these practices..
August 17th, 2009
I do not agree with microsoft’s idea of pay to play MMO’s, just like I don’t agree with WOW pay subscriptions.
On the other hand, I don’t agree with the point about sony’s Home project either ….. It was initially fun, but I’m over it now. I suspect that quite a few of these numbers they use as stats for sony Home users, are of the same mind as me ??
August 17th, 2009
ohh M$…..
August 17th, 2009
Well it does not matter to me because I’m not paying for no MMO. It’s just that simple. It can come to the 360 but I’m not buying it unless for some odd reason this becomes like the biggest game and everyone is doing it. And I mean like taking the top LIVE Spot from Halo 3 for like 4-6 Months.
August 17th, 2009
so ur a Halo head?
August 17th, 2009
No I’m not a Halo hater. I personally believe that anyone who hates Halo and has a 360 should hang their head in shame. That’s like buying Nintendo and saying you hate Mario. I’m more of a Gears of war head but I do Love the Halo Series. I just think you should respect the game that made the system even if you never plan on buying it. It’s important to remember where you came from!
August 17th, 2009
I suspect this will be the sort of hobby-horse certain posters here use.
Personally I do’t see the big deal, more than enough play the games (like COD) I’m interested in and if I wanted bigger I’d go PC anyways.
I suspect this will be like that ridiculous nonsense over the supposedly missing HDMI cable in the Xbox Elite sku.
Apparantly it’s a massive deal to PS3 owners……..despite the PS3 coming with a sh*tty quality SD res composite cable.
But yeah, it’s just typical PS3 fanboy stuff.
Microsoft ‘might’ be ditching the HDMI (but still including the component cable so you can link with HD) = bad.
Sony actually forcing you to buy cables for HD on a product supposedly all about HD = good.
The horror.
August 17th, 2009
***GamesCom Sony Press Conference is Tomorrow***
At the Gamescom 2009 Sony has actually blocked “3 hours” for their press-conference in Cologne according to the Gamescom site (starts 6pm local time).
3 hours? There must be a lot more than just a new PS3 Slim and some price cuts. New games, The Magical Wand and possibly new Playstation Network services could be part of the announcements.
any guess on what Sony might announce tomorrow at GamesCom?
Here are my guess:
-120GB PS3 Slim
-GT 5 Release Date
-White Knight Chronicle Release Date
-The Wand Release date
-New Syphon Filter
-New Buzz (since its Big in Europe)
-New SingStar (since its Big in Europe)
-Eye Pet
-Couple of new IP’s
August 17th, 2009
Will the PS3 come with a composite cable?
August 17th, 2009
Composite is for chumps. HDMI is where it’s at. HDMI cable are dirty cheap nowadays. Doesn’t M$ force you to buy expensive M$ branded HDMI cables?
August 17th, 2009
My guess for tomorrow:
-Price cut/slim
-GT 5 release date
-Dead Nations (new game reveal)
-PSP Go! and games
Show off and give dates for:
-White Knight
-Quantum
-Mod Nation Racers
-The Last Guardian
-Heavey Rain
-Eye Pet
Buzz and SingStar are good guesses also.
GT5 + PS Slim = my pants exploding.
August 17th, 2009
I would rather have a console with no HD cables than a console with no HDMI output.
(which make me wonder how many of those 30.4 M 360 were a replacement to a one with HDMI output)
August 17th, 2009
I think the Elite does have HDMI, but you can’t use regular cables. They have to be the over priced M$ version (like the hard drive, WiFi, memory card etc).
That’s why M$ is so great. They force you to continuously buy there over priced add-ons. And Sony is evil because they allow you to buy non-branded add-ons cheaper.
August 17th, 2009
Every 360 comes with HDMI output now (not sure about the Arcade)
but a year ago the only 360 with HDMI was the Elite and I seen so many ppl upgrading to a new Pro because of the HDMI output
August 17th, 2009
but they do force you to buy M$ HDMI cables, right? I’m not 100% sure, but I think so.
August 17th, 2009
@ Barnabe Jones
nope, HDMI plugs are universal…but M$ are selling their own for like $60 – $70.
August 17th, 2009
It sells for $65 and it includes the HDMI Cable & Optical/RCA Audio Adapter included for non-HDMI supported stereo systems or you can buy any cable or the rocketfish for $55. And yes all 360 come with HDMI and the elite comes with the HDMI Package, Packaged in. I personally would not buy a HDMI cable that is less then $50 because it is most likely a cheap build.
August 17th, 2009
ok thanks I wasn’t sure about that.
August 17th, 2009
The elite was launced in April 2007 and by the end of the year all 360 were offered with HDMI. There was even the Halo 3 Console that had HDMI that dropped in September of 2007.
August 17th, 2009
i think sony will announce the slim cause all the talk about one is killing sales…in general the # 1 thing 360 likes to bring up…but i agree with cad at the top if their were no halo, 360 wouldn’t even exist right now
tomorrow= price drop hip hip hor-hay
August 17th, 2009
“The elite was launced in April 2007 and by the end of the year all 360 were offered with HDMI. There was even the Halo 3 Console that had HDMI that dropped in September of 2007.”
yeah and that Was $450 for a PRO
August 17th, 2009
“Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) has filed patents for software that has the capacity to recognise various human emotions such as laughter, sadness, joy, anger and boredom.”
August 17th, 2009
Roca do you constantly talk without thinking? There is no need to answer. Really!! OK I’m itching to know why you would tell us it was $450. What was your point?
August 17th, 2009
For that much it will obviously come with HDMI output
August 17th, 2009
Tomorrow is going to be HUGE I tells ya. Does anyone know what time this shindig starts (US of A time)? Also can I watch this anywhere?
August 17th, 2009
Wow PS3 cuts the price and M$ responds by raising the price of the 360. Nice of them.
Britain Gets A 360 Price Increase
kotaku.com/5338856/britain-gets-a-360-price-increase
August 17th, 2009
“Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) has filed patents for software that has the capacity to recognise various human emotions such as laughter, sadness, joy, anger and boredom.â€
With any luck Sony should have it on the market by 2045.
August 17th, 2009
“Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) has filed patents for software that has the capacity to recognise various human emotions such as laughter, sadness, joy, anger and boredom.â€
Is this to limit future Natal features?
August 17th, 2009
Barnabe Jones:
“Tomorrow is going to be HUGE I tells ya.”
…..and what if it’s not?
We’re almost into the 4th year and we’ve been told this ‘just you wait and see’ nonsense the whole time.
I thionk there are going to be a lot of underwhelmed neutrals and a lot of PS3 fans forcing a grin and saying it’s the most awesome thing ever when it plainly isn’t.
August 17th, 2009
Xbox 360 failure ratio is now at…. wait for it…. wait for it….
……………………………………………………………
54.2%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 17th, 2009
Oh here is the source in case you are in doubt..
.joystiq.com/2009/08/17/game-informer-xbox-360-at-54-2-percent-failure-rate/
August 17th, 2009
Happy – I have a PS3 so the price drop/slim doesn’t really effect me. It would be nice for the general population, that way they can buy a single PS3, instead of having to buy 5-7 360s.
All I really want is GT5. And to be honest, 2009 is already packed. I would be perfectly happy with mid-2010.
August 17th, 2009
Barnabe Jones
Try to contrain your glee.
This is based on the results of a survey.
It’s hardly solid empirical evidence.
I wonder how many PS3 fanboys claimed to own Xbox and said they went kaput?
August 17th, 2009
I think you’re going to see a price cut to clear what little stock of the old dead 80gb model there is.
I very much doubt that will actually be the new slim price.
Some are saying $100 cut for the 80gb model but the slim to retail at only $50 less.
Would you call $50 the big price cut you all seem to say is essential?
I wouldn’t.
August 17th, 2009
me
I thought the same thing. Especially the first patent about using objects to play games. That one happened right after E3. Now this one is about emotions. Sounds like an attempt to block project Milo and anything Natal related.
August 17th, 2009
sorry that comment was in response to Arkaro
August 18th, 2009
“Xbox 360 failure ratio is now at…. wait for it…. wait for it….
……………………………………………………………
54.2%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Apparently PS3 failure rates are at 10.6% by the same report.
We all know about XBOX failures but does 1 in 10 PS3s die too?
August 18th, 2009
@ me_,
He posted the same crap in the forums and omitted the >10% failure rate of the PS3. As I pointed out in the forums, 54% (if that number is true) of customers didn’t have to pay for repairs, however 10% did.
August 18th, 2009
“All I really want is GT5. And to be honest, 2009 is already packed. I would be perfectly happy with mid-2010.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA making excuses for it’s delay before it’s even announced, huh?
August 18th, 2009
54% this is ridiculous.
August 18th, 2009
Happy: “Would you call $50 the big price cut you all seem to say is essential?
I wouldn’t.”
uhmm M$ drop the Elite from $450 to $400 and the Pro from $350 to $300 and they have done well since then
August 18th, 2009
“HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA making excuses for it’s delay before it’s even announced, huh?”
that aint no excuse…its reality many publisher are delaying their games because of it too.
While Sony still has a good amount of exclusive coming their way this year there are too MANY AAA games coming out all in a 3 month period.
August 18th, 2009
54.2 is just bad no matter how you try and look at it.
Sure the Wii and PS3 both have failure ratios also, but so does ever electronic device ever made. The point is 54.2% (or 33.33%) is atrocious for any device sold at mass market.
August 18th, 2009
HH & Roca – I’m pretty sure we’ll see the slim and price cut. My guess is $299 and they’ll phase out the other models.
Harry – It hasn’t been announced, so it hasn’t been delayed
Seriously I have three games (at the very least) that I want to get over three months. Something will have to give somewhere. If GT5 is 2010. t just makes my life easier.
August 18th, 2009
“that aint no excuse…its reality many publisher are delaying their games because of it too.” –> Double negatives are killing the English language.
Well you may want to put a wager against Lock_Down then, he’s saying it’s coming out this year.
These exclusives for ’09 seem to be getting smaller and smaller, for both machines. The first quarter of ’10 is going to be huge.
August 18th, 2009
He doesnt get it.
August 18th, 2009
Two negatives = a positive… in multiplication and division at least.
I agree about 2010. It’s going to epic for all of us.
August 18th, 2009
RROD Blah Blah Blah Blah!! Whatever, the point is we have more fun then you and play more games then you, RROD and all and it does not matter because The experience that you get from The 360 is second to none. Millions had RROD and got their box back and yet PS3 owners are still waiting for Gods of War and Grand Tursimo and whatever game that has been in developement and still waiting for for the last 2 years or more. The PS3 is an over priced, I wanna be a 360 with every update, piece of shit. One big shiny Turd. Before you go on about Failure rate just remember all the PS2′s that were bought over and over again until it became the best selling console of all time due to failure rate and shovelware. I’m sure the failure rate of the PS2 is like 80% and you never got any extended warrenty to cover it. So like Harry said that is 54% of people who did not pay for repairs compared to 10% of PS3 owners who paid and that # will continue to grow. That is way worse considering Sony’s history which consist of Bumfucking it’s customers.
In other news, the stock price of Preperation H has gone up due to the increase of anal pain of those who buy Sony Products. Dame I could have been rich. LOL!!
August 18th, 2009
PS Blog – Little Big Planet – Game of the Year Edition Announcement
Random commenter > Nice but.. Was this the big august 18th announcement? just wondering. But still, 18 extra levels and acsess to the Modnation racers beta? nice deal.
Mark Valledor (Sony Marketing Manager) > Don’t worry…wait until tomorrow for “bigger†announcement.
August 18th, 2009
Thats a real good comeback CAD trying to compare your game CONSOLE FAILURE RATE to PS3 upcoming games. Your also getting pretty good at talking about ass-pain and ass-products are you trying to come out of the closet on Blorge? And I hate to tell you but the PS2 was the best selling console because it was the best and is still selling after all this time. Well you can always use your X-box as a heater when it breaks down and want play games anymore?
August 18th, 2009
So, who forgot to give CAD his shots the last couple of weeks? Own up now before I turn up and spank ya! *prays it was Harry*
*cough* …
August 18th, 2009
Can people here actually talk about the thread topic without degenerating to ps3 component cables horror and 360 RROD and console failure rates …..
August 18th, 2009
Barnabe Jones:
“54.2 is just bad no matter how you try and look at it. ”
Not when it’s based on ‘evidence’ as thin & flimsy as a self-selecting survey it isn’t.
August 18th, 2009
Spideydog:
“Can people here actually talk about the thread topic”
Yeah, this’ll be just like when you rolled in ask that people stop talking about their PS3 BS in the Xboc live arcade thread, eh. oh balanced and fair one?
Oh…..you didn’t…..um…..er….
Hilarious.
August 18th, 2009
If you look hard enough HH, this thread was somewhat on track until you hijacked it with a comment about ps3 composite cables that had nothing to do with the thread …… just another opportunity to stick your boot in
In the other thread you are talking about, I jumped in and had a dig at you because you did the same in that thread.
If your going to jump on and have a go, at least don’t contradict yourself. Feeling stupid again HH !!
August 18th, 2009
Spideydog
Taking a short moment (which is all it was) to take the pi$$ out of the resident hypocrite village idiot is not hijacking the thread.
The thread was already being hijacked by the ‘Halo head’ nonsense.
August 18th, 2009
CAD spoke of MMO and then about Halo. Roca replied about Halo you then came in and went on a compete tangent about how shite ps3 is and composite cables, which you have spoken about in numerous other threads to death….. yeah, I would say that is completely off subject and hijacked the thread.
August 18th, 2009
In the interests of NOT hijacking this thread any further, I will leave it at that. We all know you won’t, and can’t resist in making a reply. Prove me true HH, you do it so well
August 18th, 2009
If he could sneak the composite cables in there somehow with the topic it would have been better.
Every thread it’s the same thing.
If it was somehow a big deal…..you know like the RROD, it may be worth looking at, but it screams of sad desperation.
I for one am glad it didn’t come with an HDMI cable. I have component and DVI. I used my component ps2 cables for my connection.
August 18th, 2009
@CAD
“suspect this will be like that ridiculous nonsense over the supposedly missing HDMI cable in the Xbox Elite sku.
Apparantly it’s a massive deal to PS3 owners……..despite the PS3 coming with a sh*tty quality SD res composite cable.â€
LOL Another stupid statement. Why in hell would they put HDMI cables in there and no composite cables? You keep saying Bluray and HD is not important because MOST people do NOT have HD TV’s. Yet you dis SD cables.
What a tool you are.
It is way cheaper for someone to buy an HDMI cable then it is to buy a Composite cable for the 360 or PS3.
360 Component HD/AV Cable $49.99 vs standard HDMI $5
PS3 Component AV Cable & USB 2.0 Cable Pack $39.99 vs standard HDMI $5
Do you ever think before you post? Honestly?
Just because Ivan and Roca say something it doesn’t mean all PS3 owners think that way. Would you consider yourself to think exactly the same as every Xbot?
August 18th, 2009
That was directed at HH not CAD but he says just as much crap.
August 18th, 2009
hey!!! what do I have to do with any of this?
all i said was that “M$ ditch the HDMI cable for the upcoming Elite” nothing else then Happy, CON and company started flipping for no reason.
I never said that a console with HDMI cable was better.
idk why these xbots take everything in an offensive way
August 18th, 2009
Regardless of what happens with these MMO’s, I will not be buying. I kind of enjoy having a life.
August 18th, 2009
FUD defensive techniques are always entertaining.
@phranc
Not all MMOs are life consuming. I should know about them, my life was consumed by endgame Everquest for a shameful portion of a decade.
I don’t regret it, as I met my wife through the game, as well as many many friends who I still keep in contact with, but yeah, I see your point.
It was my experience with EQ that taught me how to play responsibly, even if it took years to learn the lesson, heh.
August 18th, 2009
nice story Jofa.
I wish a I had a gamer wife
August 18th, 2009
6 years together and still going stronger everyday. I am glad I dumped the gold-digging club whore I was with when I met my wife, heh.
August 18th, 2009
I have an addictive personality. Not my thing. I know of too many people that only play one MMO for what seems like forever. My buddy with a PS3 is still playing FF11 on his ps2.
August 18th, 2009
Everquest was the only successful MMO SOE had. I used to love playing that game so much back in the day.
SOE did confirm that they are working on the next Everquest recently this week -
http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=19260
so, who knows a console version of the game?
August 18th, 2009
Dude, I was on MithMarr from release, until the expansion for lvl 70, quit shortly before the lvl 75 expansion came out. Good times~
I dabbled in EQ2 for a few months, but the spell was already broken. EQ3 prob won’t suck me, but ya never know. Having a good gaming computer can make any mediocre, but beautiful game enticing (Crysis for example, heh) and EQ2 was very beautiful in its day.
August 18th, 2009
**suck me in,
damn, nasty typo
August 18th, 2009
I never been a Fan of Games on PC…but im looking forward to try my first MMO on console
August 18th, 2009
I really hope FF XIV is free, but I doubt it. Any news on the server situation Mike?
August 18th, 2009
ncaissie
No.
The PS3 trumpets all things HD and yet ships without an HD lead.
That’s just stupid.
They ought to have packed both but you trying to make a virtue out of that stupidity is pretty sad.
Then you serve up this gem of ignorance…….
“It is way cheaper for someone to buy an HDMI cable then it is to buy a Composite cable for the 360 or PS3.
360 Component HD/AV Cable $49.99 vs standard HDMI $5
PS3 Component AV Cable & USB 2.0 Cable Pack $39.99 vs standard HDMI $5
Do you ever think before you post? Honestly?”
Very funny.
It might have been best if you engaged you brain and thought first (or at least looked up a little on the subject).
It seems that you are another one here who’ll happily spout baiting BS on the subject but obviously doesn’t know the subject.
A component cable/connection is not composite for a start.
Component is the red, blue and green RCA connection that can supply (thanks to the sh!tyy DRM new kit is hobbled by) 720p and 1080i movie images.
No surprises you found the 3 cable line expensive.
Try looking up the yellow single cable composite connection
(which like Svideo can not carry anything beyond an SD signal).
August 19th, 2009
Duhh Those cables are both Composite and Component so look it up retard!
August 19th, 2009
Happy the Cable Guy
August 19th, 2009
ncassie
I suspect that’s your problem, you’re ‘looking things up’ and not getting the correct answer.
A composite cable is not a componet cable, they are completely different.
Sony packed the PS3 with a single yellow composite cable.
No component cable.
Xbox always came with the RGB 3 cord component cable
(and a scart converter in the Europe & the UK)
and a TV aerial connection.
You ought to check your facts before leaping off the deep end.
Ivan/Roca
LMAO
This all began with your hypocritical crying that Xbox *might* not be coming with an HDMI cable cos the pic on the side of the box changed.
(and naturally you made no mentiuon of the cheap-a$$ed composite cable PS3 ships with)
August 19th, 2009
Composite = 2audio (red and white) and 1 video (yellow) through RCA connections.
Component = 2audio (red and white) 3 video (Red, green, and blue) through RCA connections.
My current PS3 (80gb BC) came with both of those cables. I used neither and bought an HDMI cable for $8.
Don’t start about HDMI cable quality differences. There is none. Price should reflect length, and that is all.
August 19th, 2009
JofaMang
No, that’s no actually correct.
The single yellow cable is the conposite connection.
The fact that you’ll also have to have simple red & while RCAs to get your basic stereo is secondary and they are no actually a part of the ‘composite’ connection.
……and so much for that lossless audio too, eh.
Sh*tty pictuire quality & sh*tty audio quality.
Really making the most of what PS3 offers.
Not.
August 19th, 2009
…..oh and there is a difference in HDMI cables. Sorry but it is true.
As I said here the other week I’ll happily laugh in the face of people like Monster and their over-priced ‘name brand’ tat but it’s not as simple as that.
If you have HDMI 1.3b capable kit you do in fact need an HDMI 1.3b otherwise certain features won’t work fully.
On my HD TV & HD receiver the xvYCC won’t work without a 1.3b compliant cable (and yes it does make a visible difference).
August 19th, 2009
Well, I have rarely seen those video cables used without the sound equivalent, and in my descriptions I did point out the audio cables as separate. Considering your stance on how HD hasn’t caught on, and how many many gamers still use SD, then why is it a big deal for HDMI cable to not be included? Wouldn’t that be the same sort of fluff jacking up the cost of the unit much in the same vein as the standard Wi-Fi receiver? Just keep picking your points to suit your arguement of the moment, Xboy-ocrite.
As far as HDMI goes, you are correct, in that different versions of HDMI will have different performance levels. BUT no two 1.3b cables, regardless of price difference, will give different performance. My point still stands.
August 19th, 2009
JofaMang
They could have done what Xbox did and included an HD cable with SD adaptor.
It just seems extremely odd given (not to mention cheap) all the noise about HD gaming & video and the PS3.
I’m being perfectly consistent here, Sony were cheap on this, what’s to argue about?
HDMI
Well you did actually say that the only differentiation betwen them should be cable length.
As I pointed out that’s not quite true.
Sadly genuine HDMI 1.3b cables (there are a lot of fakes out there) do in fact cost a bit more than a lesser spec HDMI cable.
I was buying decent HDMI 1.3 (and below) spec cables for about £3 and ended up paying about £6 for the higher spec cable.
WE.
There’s still no need to pay the laughably excessive price a name brand like Monster try and charge.
August 19th, 2009
Yeah, well, I wasn’t referring to a difference in price when both compared were so low (3-6), I was, as well as you, making fun of the $80 dollar monster cable HDMI on the stand next to the LCDs in best Buy, and also on the stand a $30 bottle of screen cleaner, with a $10 rag for use with the screen cleaner.
And right below, all 3 for a bundle price of $100, so that the uninformed new Flat panel buyer won’t pass up such a great deal on the way to the check out.
August 19th, 2009
You are right, Sony could have done a bit better, increasing their costs by a very small amount by including the cord or an SD adapter.
But they didn’t, and it seems like such a small trivial thing compared to proprietary components, massive fail rate (I won’t debate what % of xbox failure you accept) or having to pay for online access. It is afterall, just a 5 dollar cable, not a $1+ per gb HDD or replacement cost of batteries (or annoyance with having to swap rechargables when dead).
My point is, as a certified Xbot, you don’t have SHIT to complain about anymore, so you grasp at straws.
August 19th, 2009
^ What he said
“My point is, as a certified Xbot, you don’t have SHIT to complain about anymore, so you grasp at straws.”
Exactly. No need to whinge about something that doesn’t affect him.
August 19th, 2009
Happy:
“This all began with your hypocritical crying that Xbox *might* not be coming with an HDMI cable cos the pic on the side of the box changed.”
You are now making shit up. I never said the Xbox *might*, I said the new Elite *Will NOT* come with HDMI cable like they used to.
and I didnt based my FACT on any picture. A friend of mine which is a 360 Rep. told about it and now Gamestop confirmed it.
I wasnt even saying anything bad I was just putting the news out there for everybody but was usual ur monkey ass have to take everything xbox PERSONAL
August 19th, 2009
Spideydog:
“No need to whinge about something that doesn’t affect him”
That’d be a 1st around here.