Xbox 360 failure rate over 50 percent – PS3 & Wii more reliable

August 18, 2009

Xbox 360 failure rate over 50 percent - PS3 & Wii more reliableFor all the good things Microsoft has managed with the Xbox 360, here is a console that will be remembered for just one thing in years to come: the Red Ring of Death and hardware failure rate. A new survey has just been published suggesting the overall failure rate of the Xbox 360 is 54.2 percent, while the PS3 and Wii (unsurprisingly) come in much lower.

The Red Ring of Death has been a thorn in the side of the Xbox 360 since it was released. I well remember the first reports of mass hardware failures and Microsoft’s instant dismissal that this was a major problem. The company even claimed hardware failure rate for the Xbox 360 was around 3 percent in the early days.

Microsoft eventually had to admit there was a problem or face consumer abandonment on a par with that of Internet Explorer, another much-maligned Microsoft product. So it spent $1 billion to ensure everyone whose Xbox 360 suffered a fatal attack of overheating could have it fixed or replaced.

But just how big was the hardware failure problem in the first place? Game Informer conducted a survey of around 5,000 of its readers to find out just how bad the problem was. According to Consumerist it found that the overall hardware failure rate for the Xbox 360 is 54.2 percent. The PS3 does around five times better with a hardware failure rate of 10.6 percent, while the Wii performs even better with a failure rate of just 6.8 percent.

The accepted (as in expected by the manufacturer) hardware failure figure for all electronic equipment is around 3 percent, so in truth none of the consoles is doing particularly well. However, while one in 15 Wii owners and one in 10 PS3 owners have experienced hardware failure at some point, more than half (one in two) Xbox 360 owners have. Which is quite simply not good enough.

The survey also found that 41.2 percent of Xbox 360 owners have suffered a second failure after having a console repaired, while 69.9 percent of Xbox 360 owners have friends who have suffered hardware failures. The good news for Microsoft, however, is that only 3.8 percent of respondents claimed the experience had put them off buying another Xbox system again.

Which means Microsoft has essentially got away with delivering a faulty games console. That or there are millions of games fans in the world who would prefer to play Russian roulette with their choice of console than ever own a PS3 or Wii.

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298 Responses to “Xbox 360 failure rate over 50 percent – PS3 & Wii more reliable”

  1. Barnabe Jones:

    A quarter of the worlds population is retarded, but 94% are willing to keep going through the rigmarole of getting repairs and buying new consoles every few months is actually sad. I genuinely feel bad for them, but then again, they should have some standards.

  2. Very Chubby Guy:

    The fact that many people ignore ( especially xbox fan boi’s) is that a very large amount of the xbox sales are from people that had their xbox(s) broken.

    Especially now that the 3 year warrenty is gone for those that bought their xboxs early on.

  3. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    360 should be stated that its actually %100 failure rate and that those %46 that haven’t had the rrod is right around the corner…atleast your halloween will be suspicious this year every time you turn it on you might be called by the 360 reaper lol jk it’s just a # guys

  4. harry sachz:

    Funny, out of all of the people I know who own a 360, nobody has ever had issues. Talk about defying the odds, huh?

    Anyway, I wonder what the % is now that the Jasper is out?

    Still, over 10% of PS3s break down. That’s pretty bad, seeing that the PS3 fanboys keep going on about how solid it is and YLOD is not anything major.

  5. me_:

    The high PS3 and 360 failure rates have more to do with the ongoing fanboy war than anything.

    It explains why the Wii is the lowest anyway.

  6. CAD:

    That because Dave the 360 is just that good no matter what. But really where is the credability. 5000 people out of 30 plus Million on a survey from game informer. I wonder how many Roca’s, Ivan’s, and Barnabees tainted up the survey to get those results. I chalk this upto pure Bullshit because at this point in the game It would be obvious that this is not true. I have not seen any messages from anyone for a very long time that says their box died nor do any of my friends have any problems or myself. The problem is solved and I’m sure this survey is bullshit and full of PS3 bias.

    Is it me or is there more PS3 people on the net due to shitty online and shity games? Of course they have less failure rate, they don’t have any good games to play. LOL!

  7. CAD:

    hey Chubby

    The very same thing can be said about the PS2. Besides who will pay full price when it can be repaired to $130 with a year warrenty.

  8. Ghost:

    It is fact that M$ spent over $1 billion fucking dollars to try and solve this problem.
    It is fact that M$ lied and said there was no problem and then only “AFTER” legal action was looming did they later change there minds and admited there was a problem.
    It is a fact that M$ new damn well what a piece of shit they had and still put it on the market to sell, because they knew by the time it started to break down they would have already sold however many and made more money then it would cost to fix or replace. It is the same tatics the drug companys use.
    It is a fact that people like CAD, HH, and CON are so Pro X-Box (obsessed) that when there game consoles dies they run out and buy another. And would say or do anything (lie) to protect there M$ pieces of shit.
    I could go on and on but you get the point. So CAD there is your FACTS that can not be ignored or proved wrong.
    Cheer Up and buy a PS3.

  9. SW:

    @Harry – To be fair thats just life. I think I mentioned the tale of my buddy who’s on his fifth before (mebbe 2-3 times). It just went again only now he’s OOW and up the creek.

    Still, like I always say, mine is chugging along nicely no issues at all (its a falcon tho).

    I doubt MS is going to lose any more sleep over it than they already have as they’re still selling consoles and people are still buying lots and lots of games.

  10. Spideydog:

    I don’t know anyone with a failed 360. I have seen a disk with the dreaded scratch ring though.

    I will say that I don’t think the fail rate for the 360 is 50% or the ps3 at 10% either.

    I doubt the credibility/reliability of those results.

    I thought I would be a bit more diplomatic than CAD ;)

  11. Spideydog:

    If there was ever a flame thread, I though this one would take the cake ….. lol

  12. Happyhockum:

    A self=selecting survey?

    Oh well, yeah of course, that just proves everything.

  13. Spideydog:

    Finally, something we can agree on.

  14. phranctoast:

    I’m sure those numbers are skewered on each side. The PS3 is closer to 3% while the 360 is closer to 35%.

    I’m surprised that harry knows no one with a hardware issue with the 360. Easily more than half the people I know had to replace theirs.

  15. Andrew_DS:

    Well I was thinking of buying a 360 when Forza 3 came out, but that is quite a high failure rate. I might just wait for the next generation to come along since there is no decent alternatives out there!

  16. Spideydog:

    The failure rate is not like that now Andrew_ds. I think you would be safe to get one.

  17. lock_down:

    Don’t encourage him :P

    Why settle for second best Andrew? Get Gran Turismo 5 in December instead.

  18. ncaissie:

    Harry, you are full of it. How many people do you know with 360? One other then yourself? There is no Way. Also Everyone I know that owns a 360 had to send it in or replace it with a new on because they didn’t want to re-buy the games for the PS3. I think re-buying the games is a big factor in why they keep buying them.

  19. Roca.:

    ****MAG BETA****

    I just got accepted yesterday to the Official MAG beta… they also sent me an email telling to join in tomorrow at 2PM, that they were going to be showing off MAG and GamesCom in Germany.

    **** Uncharted 2 Multiplayer BETA****

    Remember PPl the Beta for Uncharted Starts Tomorrow.

  20. ncaissie:

    LOL Harry! 10% is bad and 54% is not?
    You are such a tool. With people as dumb as you it is no wonder MS is getting away with it. It makes me sick to think there are so many people in this world without common sense. It reminds me of the movie Idiocracy.

  21. Spideydog:

    Well you may as well throw that argument at me as well ncaissie, as I have not seen anyone close to me have their 360 fail, including me.

  22. Roca.:

    Lock_down

    I think you might be right…GT5 is most likely coming this year. =D

  23. ncaissie:

    I can agree the survey is most likely not accurate but I do know 4 people with 360s and every one of them had to replace them.

  24. ncaissie:

    My PS3 has been going great and with my bad luck it would have failed by now if it was going to. (Touch wood)

  25. ncaissie:

    @ Spidey, I’m directing it at anyone in denial. LOL

  26. JofaMang:

    If you can’t trust one number, you can’t trust any of them.

    There is also the factor that as a gaming website survey, their readers might (probably) would play a LOT mroe than the average player, hiking failure rates from pure usage volumes over time.

    Out of my 15 or so xbox owning friends, only 2 have NOT had to send theirs in for repair. The odds of flipping a coin and getting the same result 10 times in a row is extremely poor, but there are no laws of physics that prohibit it from happening. If you have a hundered people flipping a coin at the same time, there will be 100x the chance of that rare event occuring.

    Higher numbers means more non-average anomalies in smaller scale obvservations. This is not new science.

  27. Roca.:

    Two more PS3 Exclusive were Announced yesterday

    one of them is a “From Software” game (the developers behind Demon’s Soul)

  28. phranctoast:

    “It reminds me of the movie Idiocracy.”

    The 360 has electrolytes?

  29. CAD:

    It is fact that M$ spent over $1 billion fucking dollars to try and solve this problem.
    It is fact that M$ lied and said there was no problem and then only “AFTER” legal action was looming did they later change there minds and admited there was a problem.

    So what!! In the end Microsoft did the right thing which is more then I can say for for some other companies that lie and continue lying Cough SONY Cough!!!!

  30. Spideydog:

    Have the sony fanboys riled you up lately CAD ?

    You have a bit more sting in your tail lately …. lol

  31. CAD:

    “It is a fact that people like CAD, HH, and CON are so Pro X-Box (obsessed) that when there game consoles dies they run out and buy another. And would say or do anything (lie) to protect there M$ pieces of shit.”

    “I could go on and on but you get the point. So CAD there is your FACTS that can not be ignored or proved wrong.
    Cheer Up and buy a PS3.”

    Ghost

    Listen up you sad little fanboy. Why would I lie about my experience. I have had 1 repair to my 360 and it was not because of RROD FACT!! My Disk tray was giving problems and they replaced my 360 in 1 Week FREE Yet No GT or GOW for the PS3 Yet. FACT!! All of my friends have replaced their 360′s and they only did it once for FREE FACT!!! I upgraded my 360 to a HDMI 360 and sold it to someone who does not even have a HDTV FACT!!! Then I got Robbed and now I have no 360 FACT!!! I don’t need to lie about anything nor does Harry, CON, Kev, Happy and whoever is a 360 owner. I fell in love with the original xbox which was a solid gaming machine. It’s not like Microsoft started off being a piece of shit. I will stay loyal because Microsoft has shown that they are only intrested in improving our gaming experience. They don’t have ullterior motive like Sony who bent you over and rapped you and left you with no game to win a format battle FACT!! Show me your friends and I’ll show you who you are and since you like to befriend lying Sony it’s no wonder why come in here lying about our experience. Now Fuck Off!!!

  32. Spideydog:

    WOW ….

  33. CAD:

    Yeah I know I need to cool it but that Ghost just got me rilled up call us liars.

  34. Roca.:

    “No GT or GOW for the PS3 Yet.”

    both of those titles never had an OFFICIAL release date. now where is Splinter Cell, Marvel Universe, Alan Wake,…. two of them delay and the other one was Cancelled.

    “I don’t need to lie about anything nor does Harry, CON, Kev, Happy”

    uhmmmmm….im not even going to say anything.

    “I fell in love with the original xbox which was a solid gaming machine.”

    And then you keep talking shit about the PS2 library…I see where the SONY hate came from.. it all started since the PS2 days for you CAD

    “I will stay loyal because Microsoft has shown that they are only intrested in improving our gaming experience.”

    HAHAHA….you CANT be seriousss??

    “Now Fuck Off!!!”

    typical fanboy sentence showings its color and desperation

  35. phranctoast:

    wow.
    Why so defensive CAD?
    Everyone knows the 360 is the worst consumer electronic product ever created yet you defend it tooth and nail.

    “All of my friends have replaced their 360’s and they only did it once for FREE FACT!!! ”

    that is the best line in there. I bet they had to replace it. Although replacing with a better system would have been smarter. You know…one that doesn’t break if you stare at it wrong.

    oh..btw..the word is raped, not rapped.

    Please don’t compare MS to Sony. For every one negative thing against Sony you could come up with, theres at least 5 asshole things MS has done.
    Proprietary on all peripherals for one. Enjoy.:)

  36. phranctoast:

    I’m for them taking their time on GOW and GT (don’t like simulation car games anyway, but many do).
    They did release prologue, which could be compared to some full games to tie people over for the full release.

    As for GOW……

    I’m willing to bet that if Halo 2 came out on the original Xbox 5 months after the 360 came to market, you guys would still be waiting for Halo 3!!!!!!

  37. lock_down:

    It’s obvious that the reason Sony are taking their time for big games is waiting until the slim is out so they can make a profit on the hardware and the software.

    I would have liked GT5 sooner, but it looks like it will be worth the wait.

    We’ll find out in a few hours anyway.

  38. Spideydog:

    WOW … again !!??

    This has gotten very fiery.

  39. Roca.:

    I will rather wait on a game than have it rushed to hell and dissappoint.

    If you look at Polyphony Digital’s work you know ur going to get a good quality game.

    GT4 (PS2): over 700 cars, 1080i/ 60FPS

    Forza 3 (360): 400, 720p/60FPS (2 disc)

  40. ncaissie:

    FYI h!!p://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10311770-1.html

  41. ncaissie:

    ““It reminds me of the movie Idiocracy.”

    The 360 has electrolytes?”

    No the fact that there are so many people without common sense.

  42. ncaissie:

    @CAD you are not a liar. But your not to bright.
    Harry is a liar or doesn’t have any friends with 360s.

  43. lock_down:

    I was going to say that you shouldn’t really be comparing two games across different generations Roca….but then kev does, so carry on :)

  44. lock_down:

    “But your not to bright.”

    o_O

  45. ncaissie:

    @CAD I had 5 xbox ones at one time. They were better then the PS2 but I didn’t jump on the 360 when it came out and I’m glad I didn’t too. I didn’t jump on the PS3 either. I waited to see if there was problems with it also. It’s just being smart.

    “So what!! In the end Microsoft did the right thing which is more then I can say for for some other companies that lie and continue lying Cough SONY Cough!!!!”

    You keep saying all this crap about Sony but you NEVER give details or examples. So if you don’t have proof then just shut the hell up about it.
    We at least back our statements with facts.

  46. Roca.:

    Lock_down

    I was comparing them I was trying to make a statement on why GT5 is going to be worth the wait. (by showing how the NEW Forza look pale compared to the previous GT game- GT4)

    but if you to compare the current ones, then GT5:P outsold Forza 2. picture that!

  47. lock_down:

    It hasn’t outsold FM2, but it’s a certainly a more than respectable performance conisdering how GT4:P tanked.

  48. Roca.:

    “It hasn’t outsold FM2″

    lol it just told you it did outsold FM2 (Forza 2)

    look it up u will be surprise

  49. Barnabe Jones:

    Well a few more short hours until Sony blows the worlds collective mind.

    -Price cut/slim ($299 US)
    -GT 5 release date
    -New Games
    -New Firmware
    -EU Video store
    -PS2 games on PSN
    -Home Update

    Also Roca – I think PSN is going down around 2PM EST… at the time of Sony’s conference.

  50. phranctoast:

    I wonder if they will put back in BC.

    I believe Sony should release the whole (maybe most) ps2 catalog on psn, and charge $15-20 for all the games. That way they undercut the used market as well. I’d pay $20 for ICO.

  51. Roca.:

    “I think PSN is going down around 2PM EST… at the time of Sony’s conference”

    Sony is probably going to announced something New on the PSN and introduced it right away like they did with the Video Store (E3 2008) and the Video Store update+ FF7 (E3 2009)

  52. Roca.:

    phranctoast:

    “I’d pay $20 for ICO”

    its going for $160 in Amazon, they must be crazy to put such a high price on that game.

    BC and PS2 on PSN is coming soon(maybe later on in TGS 2009). I have seen enough prove to believe it.

  53. Barnabe Jones:

    Phranc – PS2 games on PSN, is a great idea. When they cut the price of the PS3 it would be the perfect time to try and move PS2 owners over to the 3.

    Also did you hit up any of the Phish shows? My sister when to Hartford and Saratoga. I almost went, but I have too much stuff I had to take care of.

    Roca – I’m guessing it will at least be the video store for EU. I hope there’s more to it though.

  54. Akaro:

    This survey does not seem to be statistically significant. The size of the sample is acceptable but not the method used. If we could say with 100% certainty that people tell the truth about each case in the survey, those would be somewhat acceptable results.

    Even then, people that have problems (or related to does who do have) are more prone to look for such surveys and polls than people that doesn´t, so the subset is not homogenous.

    I wouldn´t trust such percentages, as some have already stated.

    Does anyone know the rates for Jasper?

  55. Roca.:

    at what time (EST) is this going to start?

  56. Akaro:

    “or related to does who do have”
    Does -> Those
    =P Whoops.

    From what I´ve read so far, the price cut alone would make the day of many.

  57. Barnabe Jones:

    Roca – also you were right about SingStar… it’s Beatles SingStar.

  58. Andrew_DS:

    I would love to Gran Tourismo 5 but it doesn’t work on the 360. Plus I like Forza better. Mind the lenght of time its taking sony to GT5 out is ridiculous. The ps5th must be a b*stard to code for. They must be holding it back to steal ideas from Forza 3. And then launch it to coincide with Forza 4 coming out.

    It doesn’t bother me how many cars GT5 and Forza 3 will have. Its not like I am going to collect 7 different versions of a Dodge Viper. Forza just seemed the better game to play and had damage.

    I would like them to make the games a bit more realistic in performance. Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear drove and NSX around Laguna Seca (or somewhere like that) on the ps2 GT3 and then tried to match it in real life and he couldn’t get anywhere near.

  59. Roca.:

    “Does anyone know the rates for Jasper”

    they still die, but it is safer than one of the previous one.

    the focus on the 360 failure is on the RRoD but there is so many things that can go wrong with that system:

    -RRoD
    -E74 error
    -Unable to read disc
    -Circular scratch on ur games
    -Freezing Issues

    360 console is a cheap system, the Pro is $300 right.
    -Power brick = $100
    -60 HDD = $100
    -Console = $100

    sames goes for the Arcade: $200
    -Power brick = $100
    -0 HDD = $ 0
    -Console = $100

  60. phranctoast:

    @BJ
    Yeah.. I caught the Show at SPAC. Awesome first set, ok second (I still need to learn the new songs)

    Harpua on the 2nd set was great. I don’t recall hearing that song for some time (maybe ever). (I was at the Nassau Show where they played Destiny unbound)

    The only downside was the downpour that lasted for a 1/2 hour before the show started.

  61. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    “I will stay loyal because Microsoft has shown that they are only intrested in improving our gaming experience. They don’t have ullterior motive like Sony who bent you over and rapped you and left you with no game to win a format battle FACT!!”
    @ cad
    ill say i did agree with you alittle bit on that but i don’t think sony will never want to start out poor like they did this gen ever….plus though new hardware ect. games would take lot longer so i can’t say they screwed us anyway when we eventually will get the game…..
    NOW m$ coming out a year earlier with bad hardware to win a format war FACT!! i could go all day

  62. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    i would hate ps2 on the psn takes up memory and the software is still out cheap unlike ps1 games, i think they go for $40 on some classics at slackers, therefor getting the better deal buyin them on the ps store

  63. Roca.:

    For Some reason SingStar: Beatles is going to be publish by EA along with Rockband Beatles.

    Good move on Sony

  64. Roca.:

    **** SLIM PRICE CUT ****

    “After months and months of rumors and leaks, Sony has finally admitted that the PS3 Slim exists. The lighter, slimmer version of the PlayStation 3 will be released to stores in September.

    The tiny black box is said to be 32% smaller, 36% lighter and consume 34% less power. It will use a 120 GB hard drive and cost $299 in the States and 299 euros in Europe. The current PS3 model will be dropped to the same price tomorrow. “

  65. Roca.:

    Bobby didnt not see this coming!! haha

  66. phranctoast:

    How is the slim getting a price cut? It was never $399.

    Theres nothing “slim” about a $100 price cut. Roca is crazy. ;)

  67. Roca.:

    lol u know what Im trying to say.

  68. JofaMang:

    I like the more subdued style (was never a fan of the piano finish, though the black and chrome finish goes well with my TV and Entertainment stand).

    What I am really excited about is all my xbox buddies that have been waiting for this pricepoint to drop their shitboxes. My PSN friends list is about to explode.

  69. ncaissie:

    “The current PS3 model will be dropped to the same price tomorrow. ”
    That is stupid. Who is going to buy the current one when they can get a slim with a bigger drive for the same price?
    I think you have it wrong Roca.

  70. phranctoast:

    people that bought one last month have got to be pissed.

  71. lock_down:

    The fat will get bundled to fuck probably to help clear stock. I don’t think there are many left in the wild anyway.

    The slim actually looks pretty sleek.

  72. Roca.:

    “I think you have it wrong Roca.”

    I just copy and pasted it from a website =/

  73. Roca.:

    where is CAD, KEV, CON, HH and company?? (why hide now)

    its good to have so grown men coversation in here.

    is CarlB is a man of his word, he should be buying a Slim soon

  74. phranctoast:

    CarlB was waiting on BC.
    I for one don’t see the BC draw now that it is 2009 and there are more PS3 games to keep anyone busy.

    For me it was essential. Especially with GOW2 coming out during the PS3′s life cycle.

  75. lock_down:

    Sony must be waiting until the PS2 is absolutely truly dead before adding B/C.

  76. SW:

    ‘That is stupid. Who is going to buy the current one when they can get a slim with a bigger drive for the same price?’

    The ‘normal’ people in the world that don’t follow all of this stuff…

  77. CarlB:

    They are still selling games and collections brand new for the PS2 at the equivalent of less than $10 per game on Amazon.

    I’m betting the PS3 Slim doesn’t have full bc otherwise they would have announced it, I could be wrong though.

    Here’s the source link I found earlier:

    mcvuk.com/news/35448/PS3-Slim-announced

    Also, if this model doesn’t have it, I doubt they will add full bc but rather sell the games over PSN instead to double their profits.

  78. CarlB:

    “The ‘normal’ people”… suckers.

  79. phranctoast:

    maybe the $299 80gig fat model will come with a game until they deplete stock.

    “They are still selling games and collections brand new for the PS2 at the equivalent of less than $10 per game on Amazon. ”

    It’s awesome how Sony continues to support their last gen hardware.

  80. CarlB:

    They have a choice.

  81. CarlB:

    The MGS4 KZ2 bundle already sold out in the same month it was offered at Best Buy, though it didn’t seem to help PS3′s numbers much for July.

  82. phranctoast:

    How much are the xbots wishing that the slim ps3 has hardware issues similar to that of the 360? I can almost hear kev praying from here.

  83. Akaro:

    BC would be a nice last detail. VC update perhaps?

    The September´s NPD results will be quite interesting.

  84. phranctoast:

    yeah, but we have to wait till mid Oct.

  85. Roca.:

    the whole “crew” is praying for that right about now.

  86. Roca.:

    I remember seeing this sentence alot

    “There wont be any PS3 price drop until 2010, SONY cant affort to loose more money on every console sold”

    then CON/Happy

    “a $50 price drop wont make a difference”

  87. Barnabe Jones:

    I think October through December should be very interesting, with the holiday season + price drop.

    I’ll bet that the existing phats will end up getting bundled, and will probably end up being the better deals.

  88. Roca.:

    “I think October through December should be very interesting, with the holiday season + price drop.”

    and the beggining of next year too with the releases of WKC, GOW3, MAG, Heavy Rain, ModNation Racers and GT5 if its not released this year

  89. Barnabe Jones:

    Well they cut manufacturing cost by 70% (if I remember correctly). Sony is forecasting more units to be sold over last year, but are also still forecasting a lost. It should all even out eventually.

  90. lock_down:

    Maybe it was inital R&D of the slim, but I don’t understand how they be selling the PSP-3000, PSP Go and now PS3 all at a profit, yet still be forecasting a loss.

    I mean what the hell is going on over there?

    Maybe the budget is being sucked by GT5…

  91. CarlB:

    I just put my pre-order in for the Slim on Amazon:

    amazon.com/gp/product/B002I0J4VQ/ref=ox_ya_oh_product

  92. Roca.:

    this is why Sony is so BIG….Sony targets the whole world while M$ targets the U.S.

    TGS 2009 is around the corner and as usual Sony always steals the show and M$ is a no show or has made no impact what so ever.

    Sony always leave some PS3 secrets/surprises to be revealed at TGS

  93. lock_down:

    “M$ is a no show or has made no impact what so ever.”

    I remember people questioning MS’s E3 conference saying thaey have nothing to show…

    MS will have something; there’s no way they’re going to let Sony get away with all the press they’ve been getting.

  94. Roca.:

    damn Amazon dont play around

  95. lock_down:

    And incidentally, MS announced Tekken 6 for 360 last TGS…another supposed PS3 exclusive.

  96. CarlB:

    Best pics of the slim?

    news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=4847

  97. CarlB:

    Better:

    news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=4851

  98. Roca.:

    That Site is blocked here at my job..

    I guess I will look at them at home.

    I will also be going crazy killing they guys from Zipper Inter. in the MAG beta. so u guys are Watching the MAG stage demo look for my screen name on the screen (D-Roca)

  99. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    @ carlB
    that is pretty damn appealing i aint gonna lie i might buy me a 2nd console and not due to hardware failure lol

  100. Roca.:

    CarlB:

    “I just put my pre-order in for the Slim on Amazon”

    prepare to be Humiliated by CAD/CON/KEV and Sad Hockum

  101. ncaissie:

    I hope I get a great deal on a new fat one.
    I don’t like the slim.
    I need a second one for my bedroom.

  102. Roca.:

    Kevo….see if we can play today!

  103. kev:

    wow..i’m just amazed this flame bait article got as many responses as this. maybe this would hold some cred if there was some actual data to support this insane belief of 50% failure rate….

    survey…? really…..? geez….

  104. Barnabe Jones:

    NCaisse – I’m sure they fat ones will be marked down and bundled with games and controllers.

    I want to see if GameStop offers some sort of trade in deal. If it’s a good enough deal, I might have to consider it.

  105. Barnabe Jones:

    Actually Amazon is way ahead of GameStop. They don’t even have the slim listed yet.

  106. Roca.:

    I will be getting a Slim but not anytime soon

    first I have to get my 360 back and the PSP Go

  107. Roca.:

    Have you guys seen the detail of the upcoming PS3 firmware update “The New PS3 Expirience” lol

  108. Roca.:

    This also look cool (Check it out)

    h**p://www.psu.com/GamesCom–LittleBigPlanet-getting-water,-finally–a007956-p0.php

  109. Barnabe Jones:

    The dynamic moving backgrounds on the OS is a nice touch.

  110. Akaro:

    “A Look at How PS3 Will Perform at $300 Through March 2010″

    h**p://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=4852

  111. lock_down:

    No more battery over the clock…CONFIRMED!

  112. Roca.:

    “No more battery over the clock…CONFIRMED!”

    about FUCKING time!!!!

  113. Barnabe Jones:

    Akaro – I think the article is missing the fact that FF XIII in japan releasing in December, is going to be huge.

  114. lock_down:

    Am I the only one who gets the impresison that FFXIII is going to slip into 2010?

    We didn’t get much at E3, and Wada has been pretty non-commital about a release date.

    TGS or bust.

  115. Roca.:

    OMG Heavy Rain New trailer is awesome (tears*)

  116. Roca.:

    “Am I the only one who gets the impresison that FFXIII is going to slip into 2010?”

    in the US yes, Japan this year.

  117. lock_down:

    My bad, I meant for Japan.

  118. Roca.:

    ****THE PS Wand****

    Cool Video

    h**p://www.gametrailers.com/video/gc-09-playstation-3/54366?type=flv

    ^^ I see a good fit for Viva Pinata

  119. Barnabe Jones:

    E3 is geared more towards the US… games con is geared more towards EU.. so Tokyo Gameshow should be the right venue. I agree TGS or bust.

  120. Barnabe Jones:

    Wow the slim is ahead of the Wii on Amazon’s best sellers list already. PS3 at 3, while the Wii slid to 6. Amazing!

  121. oldschool1987:

    I’m on my second 360, the 1st fucked up bigtime lol, second one seems fine tho.

    My PS3 I’ve had since day of release and gets beasted all the time and still runs smooth as a smooth criminal.

    Is it me or does it seem funny that CAD is calling people stupid little fanboys? Has he read his own comments at all?

  122. Roca.:

    WOW just got confirmation if the HDD was upgradeable or not (this would have been a huge let down for me)

    but as expected it is upgradable. watch this video (2:30 is where they talk about the HDD)

    h**p://ps3.ign.com/dor/articles/1015007/gc-2009-ps3-slim-and-price-drop-announced/videos/gcom09_ps3slim_opening_081609.html

  123. Roca.:

    ******GRAN TURSIMO 5 Updates******

    -There will be 1,000 vehicles in the game
    -60 courses
    -full physics-based realtime deformation damage on all cars
    -Also incorporating interior damage (take that Forza3)
    -A completely new physics system (with possible rollovers)
    -an online replay album
    -YouTube support for uploading replays (Forza are you still there)
    -custom soundtracks
    -The return of Gran Turismo TV.
    -The PlayStation Eye can be used as a full 3D head tracking system, which would mean that not only does it track movement left and right, but forward and back as well, resulting in the ability to move your in-car view left, right, forward and back.
    -Real time Weather Changing
    -Nascar
    -W2R
    -Super Cars
    -GT PSP compabilities

    **Turn 10 (forza developers) are you taking notes?

  124. Akaro:

    Barnabe:

    Other AAA titles (say MGS4 and KZ2) didn´t move that much PS3s in the past, perhaps that´s why the author didn´t count it. However I, too, think that the 1-2-3 of price, titles and season will give them a huge boost.

  125. harry sachz:

    Hey norm,

    Go fuck yourself, dickhole. Why would you label me a tool just because nobody I know has ever had the RRoD? Does that mean Spidey is a tool also, because he’s in the same situation with me. By the way, I know 8 people including myself who own a 360. You are such a dickhole.

  126. harry sachz:

    Well it’s been confirmed that the slim is going to be $449 in Aus. That is getting closer to the sub $400 target I was waiting for before I considered one. Maybe after christmas.

  127. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    Roca
    i had to pick my lil niece from her 1st day of school srry i left, i was the last option lol

  128. Roca.:

    harry?

    how much it was when it launched over there ?$1000 ?

    the good news the PS3 is region free.

  129. Barnabe Jones:

    Akaro – the article does make some good points, but FF XIII is a PS3 exclusive (in Japan). The demo alone caused a sales spike this year. I would say it’s a pretty sure thing, if it actually does make it out in 2009.

  130. Barnabe Jones:

    Roca/Sir Chubs – So how is MAG?

  131. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    i didnt have it Roca does….
    but the ps3 slim looks fucking sexy!
    see that m$ if your were any good at manufacturing you could do something like this haha

  132. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    barnabe + Roca idk about you but this news is awesome

  133. Roca.:

    “People who preorder Gran Turismo 5 on the PS3 October 1-10 will receive a free download of Gran Turismo PSP.”

    if you live in the UK you are a lucky bastard

  134. lock_down:

    Got a link for that Roca?

    It’s probably a typo…if you register your PSP Go between Oct. 1-10 you get a free download of GT PSP…that’s what the official announcement was.

  135. harry sachz:

    roca,

    Not quite $1000, it was $999.95. :)

    They dropped it down to $900 or $800 (Can’t remember) a few months later, and last christmas it went down to $700. So dropping it to $450 is a massive drop.

  136. harry sachz:

    @ norm,

    “@CAD you are not a liar. But your not to bright.”

    I find it ironic that you’re trying to insult someone’s intelligence, however you don’t know the difference between ‘to’ and ‘too’.

  137. harry sachz:

    Oh, nearly forgot, you don’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re” also.

  138. Roca.:

    Lock_down

    Link: h**p://gamescom.gamespot.com/story/6215296/sony-gamescom-press-briefing-live?tag=topslot;thumb;5

    Go all the way down until ” TIME [10:19] “

  139. harry sachz:

    dickhole.

  140. Happyhockum:

    In the uK they are saying the price of this slim will be £249 (the old 80gb was £299).

    £249/$411 US/$497 AUS.

    £50.
    Better than expected but it still leaves it £80/$132 US/$160 AUS more expensive than the new Elite price.

    For what?
    A handful of 1st party exclusives and a load of multi-platform games usually done worse than Xbox?
    Sorry, I just don’t see it being worth it myself.

  141. Happyhockum:

    That is assuming Microsoft don’t do a little price tweaking themselves between now & X-mans.

  142. Roca.:

    ur the only one in the word on m$’s side today. go figured

  143. Happyhockum:

    Try speaking in english if you’re trying to communicate you, er, ‘thoughts’.

    Sometimes it’s like you just type random words.

  144. Spideydog:

    Harry said: “Well it’s been confirmed that the slim is going to be $449 in Aus. That is getting closer to the sub $400 target I was waiting for before I considered one. Maybe after christmas.”

    $449au is a pretty good price, I would suspect some of the places would drop it to the $399au mark (BigW or JB hifi) after some time. But at any rate $449au is damn good price, but only 12 months late in my opinion. It would good to see you online next year brother ;) It may have to wait for me, I am in remote NT till Feb next year ….. laptop gaming for me until then.

  145. harry sachz:

    @ Spidey,

    What did you do to deserve being sent up there???

    I’m off to Adelaide for a couple of weeks tomorrow, then being shipped to somewhere near Lithgow after that for a few more weeks, so i’ll be dong no gaming for at least a month and a half.

  146. harry sachz:

    heh dong.

  147. Roca.:

    You guys are both in the Military?

  148. Spideydog:

    @Harry
    Work m8. say no more, say no more ;)

    @Roca
    No. (for me anyways – ex military though)

  149. Roca.:

    how many years were you enlisted

  150. Spideydog:

    6

  151. Roca.:

    *****250GB PS3 Slim Coming*****

    http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/18/fcc-document-indicates-sony-planning-250gb-ps3-slim/

  152. CarlB:

    18 so far… I’m already counting down to retirement… 20 months with terminal… I’ll be 37, with no need to get another job, I should have plenty of time for all three consoles.

  153. CarlB:

    What’s the first PS3 game I should play next month? MGS4, Uncharted, or Valkyria Chronicles?

    Slim unboxing video:

    ps3.ign.com/dor/articles/1015007/gc-2009-ps3-slim-and-price-drop-announced/videos/gcom09_ps3slim_opening_081609.html

  154. harry sachz:

    No, I am definitely not in the military, unless they’re enlisting fat dudes now.

  155. Roca.:

    CarlB

    Since you like RPG then you sould go with Valkyria Chronicles. Than Uncharted since the new one is coming out soon. and then MGS4 when u have time to play a good action game with long cut scenes

  156. CarlB:

    Sweet, that’s what I was thinking…

    Though I have my fingers crossed for BC, looks like I’ll have to keep my PS2 Slim in the entertainment center for awhile… as I haven’t seen any website even mention it. Oh well, maybe in another couple of years.

  157. Roca.:

    I’m going to get a Uncharted beta code for you so you can witness the PS3 power (lol jk)

    I got connection all over the place(gamestop, M$ and Sony)

  158. CarlB:

    “Wow the slim is ahead of the Wii on Amazon’s best sellers list already. PS3 at 3, while the Wii slid to 6. Amazing!”

    The PS3 Slim is number 1 on the list now… a lot of people have been waiting for this, including me.

  159. CarlB:

    “I got connection all over the place(gamestop, M$ and Sony)”

    Nice, maybe you could hook me up with somebody to get some work to help pass the time when I get out. It might be cool to get in the industry and get an inside view.

  160. Roca.:

    I always wonder….does NPD take into account the amazon sales number

  161. Roca.:

    I can get codes, betas, promotional stuff and shit like that… ill ask around if there any work related available within the company.

    But I will definetly get you the Uncharted beta code. I will ask for you email when I get it.

  162. lock_down:

    I’m glad they didn’t put it B/C…that gives me a card to play when I sell my 60gb PS3 :D

  163. Roca.:

    *****250GB PS3 Slim Coming*****

    h**p://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/18/fcc-document-indicates-sony-planning-250gb-ps3-slim/

  164. CarlB:

    Confirmed no BC:

    “‘It’s not coming back, so let me put that on the table,’ Koller says with an air of finality…
    ‘That won’t be returning,’ he repeats.”

    arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/08/sony-answers-our-questions-about-the-new-playstation-3.ars

    (CarlB sheds tear)

    Looks like you’ll get a good price for it lock_down, as they are selling for between $688 and $780 used on Amazon now for the MGS4 bundle:

    amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0014WJ78E/ref=sr_1_olp_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1250651295&sr=1-3

    Crap. If I’d have bought this a month ago I would have made enough money to buy a Slim for $20. AARGH.

  165. Spideydog:

    CarlB said: “The PS3 Slim is number 1 on the list now… a lot of people have been waiting for this, including me.”

    I reckon this is what alot of people have been waiting for. Question is, is it enough of a price drop? For me, yes. If I didn’t have one, I would get one tomorrow.

    lock_down said:”I’m glad they didn’t put it B/C…that gives me a card to play when I sell my 60gb PS3 ”

    I love my 60gig, but would like to see them all get BC.

  166. Roca.:

    lol…it will come back they just can’t say unless is right around the corner. is not like Sony is just going to forget about all the great PS2 titles

  167. CarlB:

    Oh, they won’t forget about them. They are going to be resold over PSN, guaranteed, and if they put bc back in they wouldn’t make nearly as much profit. Business is business.

  168. Spideydog:

    I would be VERY surprised if BC didn’t come back at some point, especially if they are selling ps2 content.

  169. Ghost:

    They have (Sony) been filing for all kinds of patents and other stuff. And when they decide to make it happen it will be in a firmware update so we can all down load it. I was hoping they would include it in the new slim, but I guess there holding back untill the PS2 don’t sell anymore? I don’t really blame Sony for doing this and it makes since business wise, but I will be glad when they make it available for everyone. Here is a link that talks about it, and one of there patents.
    siliconera.com/2009/06/29/sony-patents-emotion-engine-emulation-technology-for-cell-processors/

  170. harry sachz:

    I am sure they’ll probably bring it back once they take the PS2 out the back and shoot it.

  171. Spideydog:

    like the rabbid, mangey dog it is …. lol

  172. harry sachz:

    Why did I think of Old Yeller?

  173. Happyhockum:

    harry sachz:
    “I am sure they’ll probably bring it back once they take the PS2 out the back and shoot it.”

    Why would they?
    Most likely I’d say would be that they’ll put as much of the PS2 catalogue for sale on PSN.
    That strikes me as the most obvious way they’ll handle ‘BC’ in future.

    (but remeber only M$ do it for nasty reasons, Sony will do this out of ‘love’ for their consumers)

  174. Happyhockum:

    harry sachz:
    “I am sure they’ll probably bring it back once they take the PS2 out the back and shoot it.”

    Why would they?
    Most likely I’d say would be that they’ll put as much of the PS2 catalogue for sale on PSN.
    That strikes me as the most obvious way they’ll handle ‘BC’ in future.

    (but remeber only M$ do it for nasty reasons, Sony will do this out of ‘love’ for their consumers)

  175. Happyhockum:

    Oh bu*ger.
    Sorry for the dp.
    It messed about, then didn’t come up when I refreshed.

  176. Spideydog:

    Hater fanboy.

  177. Happyhockum:

    Sad predictable stalker.

  178. Spideydog:

    m8, your just pissed that I can actually catch you out on bullshit fanboy dribble and take you to task about it.

    Every time you come in and dribble hater fanboy crap, I will give you some stick about it (when I can be bothered) If you call that stalking, so be it.

    Don’t post fanboy dribble, and I won’t give you S%&T about it. Lord forbid, we might actually have an intelligent debate/conversation.

  179. Roca.:

    did M$ announced or even said anything at GameCom?

  180. Happyhockum:

    spideydog

    You wish.

    I laugh at your feeble trolling, seriously.

    You’ve tried the anger line, now the hater BS.

    All ancient tired routines and laghably weak.

  181. Spideydog:

    “All ancient tired routines and laghably weak.”

    Isn’t this the same line you had a go at me about, you know, “same material” ring a bell. Now your using the same thing …. “I’m not, you are”

    Gutless hypocrite.

  182. ncaissie:

    Say what you want Harry. I don’t believe a word of it.

  183. phranctoast:

    just give him a rusty trombone and be done with it.

    yeah… so back to topic…..

    360 sucks. :)

  184. ncaissie:

    @Harry
    I don’t care about spelling and grammar on these blog sites.
    So go play with your shitbox before it dies on you.

  185. ncaissie:

    That’s awesome Carlb. I wish I could retire early. I make a lot more then the average family income but it seems to go as fast as it comes. I guess I just like this level of lifestyle.
    And three kids is not cheap. I have a federal gov. job but still have to retire after 55. :-(

  186. CarlB:

    Thanks ncaissie, but life is easy without kids, and I am just now divorcing my third wife, so one less piece of maintenance to worry about and spend money on. As for the living, I gave up the high life and settled for a fairly simple lifestyle. What do you do for the gov?

    Shadow Complex… ROCKS!

  187. ncaissie:

    I build software (mostly web applications) for the Canadian Gov. Canada Border Services. It has its ups and downs but generally a fun job. I want to be a cop but I can’t afford a 60% pay cut.

  188. ncaissie:

    A pay cut and the fact that I’m 5’10 and 125 pounds prevents me from being a cop.

  189. Roca.:

    Shadow Complex… ROCKS!

    I wont lie the game looks good

  190. phranctoast:

    Will it also be on PC?

  191. kev:

    phranc – it’s funny you want to crucify MS for “bad hardware” while you ignore the ps2′s hardware fiasco or ignore the fact that sony has been shipping bad gpu in their VIAO comps for years now, even after being warned of it in 2007….

    it’s even funnier when you consider the only ones complaining about the 360′s hardware are ps3 fans….. odd…..

  192. Roca.:

    “phranc – it’s funny you want to crucify MS for “bad hardware” while you ignore the ps2’s hardware fiasco or ignore the fact that sony has been shipping bad gpu in their VIAO comps for years now, even after being warned of it in 2007….”

    what does that have anything to do with the PS3 vs 360 hardware issues??????

    off topic as always

  193. phranctoast:

    I am 100% positive that PS3 fans are NOT the only ones complaining about 360′s faulty hardware.

    Although I can see how those 360 fans can easily become PS3 fans due to that reason.

    PS2′s “hardware fiasco” was not even in the same category as that of the 360.

  194. ncaissie:

    Kev “it’s even funnier when you consider the only ones complaining about the 360’s hardware are ps3 fans….. odd…..”

    Why is that odd? Did you ever think that we (or at least I) complain about the 360 problem is because I like the 360 when it works and It pisses me off that I can’t bring myself to buy one ONLY because I know it will die before I get my moneys worth out of it. 3 years is not enough. I want at least a 6 year warranty.

  195. ncaissie:

    It is exactly the same as xbox owners that complain the PS3 price was too high for them to purchase one. i.e. CarldB.

    Did I use the proper too harry? LOL The grammar police are going to get me!

  196. Roca.:

    Harry wants you to uses “Microsoft Word” for spell check lol

  197. phranctoast:

    I really had to search the page to find out what kev was referring to.

    The funny thing is, I only wrote that to piss off CAD because he was on a rant, and I find riling him all up = fun.

  198. ncaissie:

    I can’t buy word because MS is a bunch of thieves and got caught for it.

  199. phranctoast:

    If you put it M$ in Word, you get flagged and M$ embeds a trojan on your PC with the updates.

  200. SW:

    Have to wait like another 40 days or something for MS to start selling word again don’t you?

  201. ncaissie:

    LOL I don’t know. I’m from Canada and was making a joke.

  202. Roca.:

    ncaissie = whats ur PSN ID

  203. Happyhockum:

    Weep on spideydog.

  204. SW:

    Oh, well, they did just get barred from selling it for 60 days I believe :)

  205. harry sachz:

    @ norm,

    “Did I use the proper too harry? LOL The grammar police are going to get me!”

    Wow, looks like I hit a nerve there, Norman. Normally I don’t care about grammar, however it was YOU who used bad grammar when trying to insult CAD’s intelligence. That’s a bloody stupid thing to do.

  206. harry sachz:

    Then again, judging by the content of your posts, you don’t seem to be close to the brightest poster on Blorge. If I had to rate you, I would put you just one peg above Ivan, i.e you resort to calling the 360 a ‘shitbox’ and spout other fanboy esque comments, but you can at least spell phonetically.

  207. harry sachz:

    Oh, nearly forgot……… dickhole.

  208. JofaMang:

    But harry, for a very large amount of people, it IS a shitbox.

  209. harry sachz:

    Jofa,

    Explain what you mean, because you were very vague in what you’re trying to say.

  210. JofaMang:

    Take a steaming pile a poop. Put said pile of poop in a box. Tada; shitbox.

    It is a metaphor. One that I feel completely comfortable using considering my personal experiences through friends and families with the Xbox.

  211. harry sachz:

    Well I guess opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

  212. Spideydog:

    “Weep on spideydog.”

    Bah hahahahaha

    Answer the questions gutless hypocrite.

  213. harry sachz:

    Whoa! I think i’m taking my hiatus at the right time.

  214. Spideydog:

    Nah, I just reserve all my love for HH harry. You get a different type of love ;)

  215. harry sachz:

    That’s a dirty, sticky love.

  216. Happyhockum:

    Oh do give over spideydog.

    You’re a fanboy. Full stop.

    You dress it up with claims to be ever so impartial and reasonable and yet you still are.

    What you choose to comment on and how you comment gives it all away.

    You never have a good thing to say about Xbox (besides the most innane comment) and I’ve yet to see you make a single criticism of PS3 (beyond the most innane).

    You’ll wheel in at all hours to bore us all to death with your tedious quibbling & yet the worst examples of fanboy f*ck-wittery here (Ivan/Roca) gets a total bye, everytime.

    Yeah, you’re so balanced.

    LMAO

  217. Roca.:

    well my friends Elite just had the RRoD 50% rate symdrome.

    They Funny thing was that he doesnt even play games like that, then he went to turn it on yesterday and BANNNG!! flashing red lights!

  218. Happyhockum:

    Ivan/Roca

    I’m only surprised you didn’t try and tell us that it not only went bang but caught fire and that fire spread, burning down several blocks and ultimately was responsible for several hundred deaths – including scores of young children.

  219. Ghost:

    Damn,(lol) Didn’t that actually happen somewhere? I’m sure Evil M$ would try and cover it up anyway. Probably happen in some poor neighbor-hood and M$ just payed off like $200 per kid or something.

  220. Roca.:

    See what im talking about…you CANT say anything about M$ without having Happy to counter-react in a troll way.

    I’m sure I seem Happy talked about the PS3 YLoD or the burning lense and NO PS3 user came out the cut to argue Happy’s statement. grow up kid!

  221. Happyhockum:

    Ivan/Roca

    You’ve made a caricature of yourself.

    I realise you have trouble admitting that so you have to pretend that I’m ‘reacting’.

    It was a joke f*ckwit.

    You made yourself a joke.

  222. Roca.:

    a reacting joke (trying to say that i was lying)

    good one!!!!

  223. Happyhockum:

    Ivan/Roca

    We all know it’s hard for you to see this as anything other than ‘conflict’.

    The joke really is on you.

  224. Roca.:

    the joke is no me INDEED, you really killed it with that joke. keep it up!

  225. Happyhockum:

    …..and back to your typical incomprehensible pidgeon English.

    I guess you at least think you know what you meant even if nobody else can.

  226. Roca.:

    Im off this…go and play with ur barbies

  227. Happyhockum:

    If only.

  228. jojo29:

    “It is fact that M$ spent over $1 billion fucking dollars to try and solve this problem.
    It is fact that M$ lied and said there was no problem and then only “AFTER” legal action was looming did they later change there minds and admited there was a problem.
    It is a fact that M$ new damn well what a piece of shit they had and still put it on the market to sell, because they knew by the time it started to break down they would have already sold however many and made more money then it would cost to fix or replace. It is the same tatics the drug companys use.
    It is a fact that people like CAD, HH, and CON are so Pro X-Box (obsessed) that when there game consoles dies they run out and buy another. And would say or do anything (lie) to protect there M$ pieces of shit.
    I could go on and on but you get the point. So CAD there is your FACTS that can not be ignored or proved wrong.
    Cheer Up and buy a PS3.”

    This is the only comments worth reading

    Any retort from the mentioned Xbot idiot fans in this comment only add to the truth-ness of this comment.

    I told you so :)

  229. Happyhockum:

    jojo29

    Great try.

    Here’s the only ‘fact’ that matters.

    I have nearly 30 Xbox 360 games (and a host of stuff I’ve bought on the hard drive) so of course if anything happens to my Xbox I’ll be getting it fixed under warranty.

    It would be an inconvenience but nothing more.

    So far I’ve yet to experience even a lock-up on mine.

    But thank you for your concern, it’s nice to know you’re so worried on our behalf.

    You’re such a sweetie.

  230. Roca.:

    watch when it dies as soon as the warranty expires..your going to run to the store a buy a new one like everybody else

  231. phranctoast:

    If any of the well known xbots here did have the RROD, does anyone really believe they would be quick to share that info with us?

  232. Happyhockum:

    At the end of 3yrs?

    We’ll see……but that’s no different than a lot of PS3 owners now popping up on the net saying their laser died or their disc drive died.

    It happens to everything eventually.

    Will I buy another at the end of 3yrs?

    Possibly, like I said I have a stack of 360 games and a lod of bought stuff on the HDD.
    The only question will be whether or not the next Xbox will be around then & how compatible my existing stuff will be.

    How stupid would you have to be to just give all the games you like up because something broke at 3yrs+?

    Did your PS2 die on you?
    Did you buy another?
    Was it possibly because you had a load of PS2 stuff?

    Try again, this idea is so dumb and really doesn’t fly at all.

  233. Happyhockum:

    Oh and btw under British consumer law a highly priced good like this is expected to last a ‘reasonable’ amount of time.

    In other-words 3yrs is the minimum for a no-quibble guarantee.

    Between about 3 – 5yrs (posible something like 6yrs on a high price good, like say a £700+ HD TV) you are covered by this law as it is not consider reasonable by the law for those high priced good to die in that short period.

    A lot of people are unaware of the law but it is there and you can force companies to stand by their goods even if they offer a lowly 1yr, 2yr or even 3yr guarantee.

  234. Happyhockum:

    phranctoast

    Why not?
    It would hardly ‘cover up’ the fact it has happened
    (and yes, I agree in the early SKUs far too often and to too many units).

  235. Roca.:

    you can always start from the scratch and build a new stack.

    I am going to be real you..as a previous 360 owner I can tell you the future of the 360 looks very dim (gamewise). But I have to admire you loyalty

  236. phranctoast:

    @HH.

    for the undeniable fact that they would receive a lot of BS for it.

    I have a launch ps2 thats still working….. well almost. The second controller port makes any controller plugged in always go up on directional. both controllers wont work right in port. Only problem ever, so it is believable that noone here has an issue.
    The percentages work too. If 30% fail 70% don’t.

    Anyway. I had to replace my HDD in my ps3. It started acting funny after a drunkin’ retard of a friend practically took out my entertainment cabinet.

    I also lost the cable dvr box the same day.

  237. kev:

    ROCA – just pointing out the fact you ps3 fanboys are insane hypocrites. it’s okay to want to crucify ms for the same thing sony did/does….

    lame…

    phranc – had a RROD…had it fixed in under 10 days…. i never even contemplated buying a second 360 while i waited. it was so much easier than dealing with sony last gen, when 3 of my ps2 crapped out….. ms has their warranty issues well in hand while sony never has… but go ahead, feel free to hate on ms for something sony does….

  238. Roca.:

    they have their warranty issues well in hand

    what they dont have in hand that well is their HARDWARE issues.

  239. kev:

    roca – the hardware issues aren’t happening much anymore with the new chipset. but leave it to the ps3 fanboys to live in the past….

  240. kev:

    roca – the fact the 360 has a higher gamer/console attach ratio proves:
    1. it has a brighter future than you think, gamewise.
    2. it’s certainly brighter than the trainwreck known as the ps3.

    sony has lost several games from developers who refuse to develop for it due to insane costs and poor hardware architecture, while the 360 hasn’t…. ouch..

  241. kev:

    i meant “games/console attach ratio”

  242. phranctoast:

    Well of course they have it well in hand. It’s sooo much more widespread than Sony’s issue. Cost them over a billion.

    How can you even mention Sony when comparing these. The 360 is a lemon and you think that comparing it to a small problem sony had that only affected a very small fraction of one release of the ps2 similar.

    E74 probs are more widespread than the ps2′s lmao

  243. phranctoast:

    while we watch M$’s exclusives come to the ps3. lol

  244. Happyhockum:

    Ivan/Roca
    “you can always start from the scratch and build a new stack”

    WTF would I bother doing that for?
    What sort of fool – moron fanboys excepted – does that?
    I have about 30 games and a stack of stuff I like on the HDD and you’re ‘idea’ is that I ditch all of that and start again!?

    (and pay PS3 prices)

    Are you really that dumb?

    phranctoast:
    “for the undeniable fact that they would receive a lot of BS for it.”

    Well kev’s just said he had RROD and besides Ivan/Rocas idiocy I see no BS being thrown at him for it.

    (and be real, as if anyone here really gives a to$$ whether or not other posters like or agree with their thoughts and opinions, come on, be serious)

  245. kev:

    phranc – the fact sony refuses, even after 8 years, to release the problematic ps2 numbers, proves it must be very, very high… they will NOT (like Gamer.blorge) ever release anti-sony information.

    they did the same thing with the $700 PSX that they launched in japan in 02…. it sold soooo badly, sony still refuses to release sales numbers….

    it’s sony..it’s what they do…

    the difference is; ms took notice and immediately fixed the prob on their dime… sony refused to even acknowledge the ps2 had a problem and blamed the gamers for their mistake….

    it’s funny, i don’t know of ONE person with a ps2 that didn’t have problems…and we all k now how many ps2 are on the market.

    until you fanboys own up to sony’s own hardware failures, how do you expect us to take any of you seriously?

  246. kev:

    phrance – GeOW and Halo exlusives franchises alone have sold more than all of the ps3 exlcusives this gen combined…

    keep dreaming you’re getting all of our exclusives…. sony would LOVE to have those software sales….

  247. Happyhockum:

    Speaking of which I’m away to play 1 v 100.

    A brilliant (and very addictive) game.

  248. phranctoast:

    kev reminds me of the GNR song.

    Sometimes I feel like I’m beating a dead horse.

    M$ denied any problems at first. You know this is true. When are we going to see those numbers?

    It just became soooooooo widespread that it was impossible to ignore.

    retailers who would give hardware warranties for consoles wouldnt touch the 360 with a 100 foot pole. You know this is true.

    This never happened with the ps2.

    You seem to want to compare the shortcoming of Sony to that of M$. I’m telling you buddy…Thats a big fucking mistake.

  249. Roca.:

    I have a Launch PS1, PS2, PSP and PS3 and they all work fine as of today

  250. kev:

    phranc – The reality is that sony was successfully sued for their poor ps2 workmanship and had to be forced by the courts to stand behind their product. To date, the same can’t be said of MS. They acknowledged the problem, admitted the issue, and paid for the repair, even paying for shipping. MS took a much more ethical route, which bugs MS haters to no end, I realize that.

    But the fact remains, the ps2’s level of shoddy workmanship may, or may not, have been worse than the 360, but we will never know that for certain, as sony refuses to even acknowledge the ps2 problem to this day. You ps3 fanboys think it wasn’t as bad, with only biased sony-loving opinions to back you up, and I claim it could be, with the court settlement and 3 busted ps2 for proof.

    The fact is; the ps3 fanboy accusations of bad 360 hardware is old news. I haven’t heard anyone complaining lately about their 360’s going down. The point remains that if you want to accuse ms of shipping bad hardware, why don’t you hold sony accountable for doing the same with the ps2 last gen, and their sony Viao computers this gen?

    it only makes it worse when you claim you’re a “gamer”. If you were truly a gamer and not just a fanboy, you’d see the 360 is the superior gaming machine over the ps3 and admit it. You seem to forget that:
    1. the ps3 wasn’t designed as a gaming console, per Ken Kuturagi, the guy who INVENTED the ps3. Go ahead, pretend to know more about the ps3 than the guy who invented it. I need a laugh.
    2. the ps3 has less games available than the 360 while sony continues to lose developers due to the ps3’s poor hardware architecture.
    3. Gamers are buying less games per ps3 than the 360. Before you link 2 and 3 together to form some sort of “theory” it’s important to remember the original xbox had a higher attach ratio of games to consoles than the ps2, briefly, last gen. They did so with hundreds of less games on the market than the ps2.
    4. online gaming is much more fluid and feature rich on the 360/xbox live than the ps3’s online offering. This has been proven time and again, with every debate ending up with you sony zealouts claiming, “well, that (feature) doesn’t matter to me”….
    5. the 360 is a more affordable option for gamers than the ps3. Although with the ps3 price drop, they’re about the same. If your fanboy logic is true, the ps3 will be flying off the shelves since the price was the only thing holding it back, according to you and the other ps3 fanboys…. Let’s watch the sales and see what happens. I’m wondering tho; what will be your excuse when the ps3 continues to falter next to the 360 with both at the same price? I can’t wait to read it….
    6. the last gen user base of sony’s was FIVE TIMES that of the xbox, thusly should be outselling 360 this gen by at least 5 to 1 (or even a more modest 3 to 1), yet are struggling to keep up with the 360. where’s the sony love you fanboys claim? Why did 120 million gamers turn their backs on the ps3 if it is the best gaming console like you claim?
    7. the gpu of the 360 is more powerful and faster than the ps3’s, according to John Carmack, (read: legend in the gaming industry). This means we will see better graphics on the 360 than the ps3, while you fanboys make more promises of “the cell” and “just wait”….no proof, just promises…. Save your “what about killzone 2” routine… one game out of a few hundred, that doesn’t offer anything not seen on other consoles, is not really a bragging point. Any game can look great if you cut the corners that Guerrilla did. really…. 50 yard fog-out? What is this, the 1980’s…? wft…
    8. Publishers (Activision) have gone public with their displeasure at sony and the ps3 and even threatened to pull support. This wouldn’t be big news if Activision wasn’t the largest console publisher of games on the planet, and that EA (last gen’s largest publisher) destroyed the dreamcast by refusing to support it last gen. Stringer is new to gaming, or otherwise wouldn’t have called Activision’s “bluff”. Unfortunately for sony this issue is not over.. Activision simply has to faze down the number of ps3 releases, which we have already begun to see. This would save them hundreds of millions of dollars in development/advertising costs while making more money from competing consoles. Console makers need publishers more than publishers need console makers. To prove this point, look at EA’s staggering growth last gen while ignoring the dreamcast. A lower variety of consoles equate to lower risk for the publisher. Less publishers on a console equate to an increased risk of failure in the marketplace due to less games (money making opportunities) being offered than the competition. This directly impacts their money making in the razor-to-razorblade business model that the gaming consoles run on.
    9. sony is late to the “shooter market”. Last gen sony and their legions of fanboys claimed, “all ms has is shooters”… and yet, this gen, sony’s MOST HYPED games are……wait for it….. SHOOTERS…. Too late. Ms engineered their controller for shooters, drivers, and other action games. They were smart to tap into the NA market desires. North Americans aren’t the JRPG or platform lovers that Japanese gamers are. They forgot that japan is simply a small part of the industry market. Smaller than the US market. Smaller than the UK market. Sony kept their tired old controller design, removed features from last gen (rumble) then claimed to be the “only true next gen console”…. Yeah, right…lmao…

    Go ahead and bash MS for “rushing to market with bad hardware”. Sony proved last gen, this is a successful strategy. They did it, ignored the problems and gamers, got sued, and ended up selling 150 million, poorly made, ps2. How, you ask? Easy, many of those 150 million ps2 are replacements that gamers were forced to buy out of their own pocket while sony ignored their pleas for help…. nice of them. MS doesn’t have this luxury as they immediately implemented the free repair service, negating the gamer’s need to buy a new console. If you want to bash ms for it, you’d better be prepared to bash sony as well. bah…but that would make sense and we can’t have that, right..? lol.

    Now that the hardware issue is in the past, you work hard to drudge it up again and again, like it’s supposed to be keeping people from buying the 360. It’s a sobering thought when you consider millions of more people would STILL prefer to roll the dice with the 360’s hardware than pay for the “reliable” ps3, even with the added “value” of a bluray player and wifi. No matter how you slice it, that’s bad…from every angle. Certainly bad for sony’s world domination plans. Maybe next gen they’ll put their heads back into gaming, but the momentum this gen is lost for sony. Every indicator points to next gen being just as bad for sony and the ps4. By the time it’s all over and done, sony will be lucky to even have a gaming presence. Unfortunately, your allegiance and unnatural love for sony and a box of circuits doesn’t translate into dollars and cents for sony, their employees or their stockholders. The billions being lost by sony on the trainwreck known as the ps3 is just too big….

    Anyway, out for the weekend

  251. Roca.:

    I hope u were getting paid (by M$) when you u wrote all you trolling because nobody is going to waste their time reading ur useless nonsense.

  252. Happyhockum:

    Wow kev, now that’s what I call putting it straight.

    Kudos

  253. Spideydog:

    HH said: “You never have a good thing to say about Xbox (besides the most innane comment) and I’ve yet to see you make a single criticism of PS3 (beyond the most innane).”

    I have put my money where my mouth numerous times and yet you have NEVER done the same after repeated challenges for your to do so ….. and you call me a fanboy ROFLMAO

    I even gave half a dozen examples in black and white …. do you wear glasses or something or can’t see proof when it’s put right in front of your face.

    Hypocrite.

  254. lock_down:

    “7. the gpu of the 360 is more powerful and faster than the ps3’s”

    So it’s pretty incredible then that Forza 3 still looks like a cartoon.

    You’d have thought that a software company like MS would be able to make the definitive racing game really challenge GT5 with a superior graphics card, especially seeing as the 360 is easier to dev for than the PS3, but alas…

  255. Ghost:

    kev:
    You must of not only sucked Bill Gates pecker but swallowed all that gooey sticky mess at the end?? (lol) Does it give you super powers?? Are you a super kev now?? Sorry man I couldn’t read all of what you wrote because that first paragraph is all bull-shit so I stoped there.You obviously have no clue about what the fuck you are talking about. I wonder how does one feel having there head completely up M$ ass?? Are you really that fucking stupid? Do you actually believe all that bull-shit you wrote?? Do you think just because you can write a 1,000 words of bull-shit, you might convice somebody it’s true or are you trying to keep yourself convinced??? You keep trying to bring PS2 into this equation (lol) when it has NOTHING to do with CURRENT gen consoles. Only a true M$ cock-sucker could find a way to blame a 10 year old PS2 system for there RROD problems this gen.(lol) Or to use it to validate anything M$ has done for that matter. Why don’t you go and cut your emo wrists and leave a letter telling M$ how much you love them but this poor pro-PS3 world just don’t understand???(lol) Seriously man grow the fuck up. Also HH: since you seem to agree with kevs “M$ loves puppies and saves the world while Sony is evil especially the PS2 hate speech” why don’t you both cut your wrist together? That way you can really show Sony and PS3 user’s aound the globe that you “KEV and HH want take it no more- EMO Power. LMFAO

  256. Happyhockum:

    Spideydog

    Boo hoo hoo. Your gurning and whinging is hilarious.
    You protest too much, idiot.

  257. Happyhockum:

    Ghost

    What’s with the gay sex obsession and generally, wtf are you on about?

  258. kev:

    Lockdown – it’s funny that the ONLY ones claiming Forza looks like a cartoon are GT fanboys. The truth is; there is no mention of “cartoonish” in ANY preview of Forza 3 done by any website or publication, or even remarked of during E3. Yet you and the other GT zealouts, claim this is true. Truly a sign of desperation.

    The fact that Forza offers deformations of cars and limitless paint customizations really proves the 360’s GPU is vastly superior to the PS3’s. The car models of Forza are even more detailed now, offering undercar modeling seen during flips and vaults. This is not available in GT games as GT games use weaker physics and less detailed car models than Forza. Come back when the ps3’s gpu can handle deformations, dynamic lighting, particle effects, paint scrapes, windshield cracks, loss of wings/scoops, and broken headlights/taillights like Forza. Until then, the 360’s gpu is handling waaay more than the ps3’s gpu during GT games.

    Oh, and before you hype the “900 cars” of GT5, it’s important to remember, most of those cars are simple paint variations of the same car. For instance; the 40+ Nissan Skylines in GT4 is simply the same car, painted different colors. If you consider a variation of paint as entirely different car, then this means Forza 3 literally has millions of cars available (GT fanboy logic), since there are millions of different paint combinations that can be created for each car. Millions > hundreds. :)

    Ghost – thanks for underscoring the mentality of the average ps3 owner. it’s always good to be reminded why i don’t want to game with other ps3 owners….

  259. JofaMang:

    Thank you Kev, I am glad I never have to worry about accidently bumping into you on the PSN. I sleep better at night now!

  260. kev:

    jofa – as do i. I wouldn’t be caught dead with you ps3 fanboys on any friends list….

  261. JofaMang:

    Haha, I was being sarcastic, but you, you take it to your own, lonely little level. You honestly believe that there is a definitive (and to you endlessly offensive) personality that purchases PS3s? Do you think all muslims are terrorists, or women bad drivers? I pity you and your tiny, undeveloped brain. If i was as much of a pathetic loser as you, I would use you as a reference point for all Xbots, and a lone convincing reason to never own a 360.

    But I am not, as I am sure that if you were a fan of the PS3, you would be exactly the same.

  262. lock_down:

    The PS3 GPU doesn’t need to handle dynamic lighting and particle effects as they can be done on the Cell, freeing up more power for the RSX.

    Please get a clue kev, it’s tiresome correcting your drivel…

  263. kev:

    lockdown – “The PS3 GPU doesn’t need to handle dynamic lighting and particle effects as they can be done on the Cell, freeing up more power for the RSX. Please get a clue kev, it’s tiresome correcting your drivel…”

    um….which game uses the CPU to produce dynamic lighting and particle effects in game? (no ps3 demo b.s….a released GAME) So far NO game that I’ve read about is using this as it only works in theory. In reality, you’re introducing a latency problem by running back to the cpu for graphic instructions. This is further complicated by the ps3’s meager RAM. So far, I’ve read a LOT of interviews from Kaz Y about GT5 and NOWHERE does he stated this is how he is making the graphics. It’s really sad when you fanboys have to make up stuff that the developer isn’t even saying. If you were a true fan of GT, you wouldn’t do this. Just enjoy the game for what it is; a washed up franchise that got spanked by MS’ very first attempt at console sims. :)

    anyway, i’m out. when you start fabricating stuff, there’s nothing more for me to say.

  264. lock_down:

    I’m not quite sure what I was fabricating. Games using the Cell for lighting and particles include,

    Wipeout HD: eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-wipeout-hd-fury-interview?page=2

    Killzone 2: uk.ps3.gamespy.com/playstation-3/killzone-next-gen/935935p2.html

    Uncharted 1 & 2: naughtydog.com/corporate/press/GDC%202008/UnchartedTechGDC2008.pdf

    “a washed up franchise that got spanked by MS’ very first attempt at console sims. :)

    Haha…hahaha…

  265. Happyhockum:

    PS3 owners?

    Well going by what I see here from far too many I’m reminded of the late great Bill Hicks and what he said about non-smokers.

    “I’d quit smoking if i didn’t think I’d become one of you. You are the worst advertsiments for non-smoking”

    For non-smokers read PS3 owners.

  266. JofaMang:

    Same goes for you Xbots. Are you really that blind to it all to think it is a one way street?

    Props on the Bill Hicks reference. He is one of my favourite stand up comedians of all time. Ironic how lung cancer took him, though.

  267. Happyhockum:

    JofaMonag

    B*llocks.
    This all started with Sony’s deliberate attempt to use the viral method with their fanboys.

    They just can’t stand it that they sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind.

    F*ck ‘em, they’re getting back in spades what they dished out to everyone else.

  268. Happyhockum:

    JofaMang

    Man you’re not doing to good today.

    Bill was taken by pancreatic cancer, not lung cancer.

    Have you red ‘American Scream’?
    Or ‘Love All the People’?
    Highly recommended if you’re a fan of Bill.

    :)

  269. JofaMang:

    Admittedly, I discovered Bill Hicks for myself a few years after he had died, thanks for clearing that up. I might have changed history in my head for the sake of poetic justice, heh.

    Yeah, I have consumed all the Bill hicks material I could get my hands on, back in the late 90s, early 2000s. Tool is who introduced him to me.

  270. Happyhockum:

    ‘Tool’

    Is that another of your log-in names?

    LMAO

    h**p://gamer.blorge.com/2009/08/22/consumers-buying-ps3-slim-over-ps3-fat/

  271. JofaMang:

    Stop slandering me. It was an honest mistake made by scanning through the threads too quickly. I don’t need to make multiple accounts to prop up my status on a fucking meaningless message board. This is a great place for vigorous discussion on gaming, my favourite hobby since I was 4 years old. I won’t tolerate you ruining the enjoyment I get from the honest debate and banter we have here. Fuck, I even enjoy reading your bullshit, believe it or not, the place would be less fun without you.

    But accusing me of this is disgusting. If I could prove that I have always been only JofaMang on these boards, you still wouldn’t apologize or even acknowledge it, because you are too threatened by my ability to disect your bullshit. But I would be willing to try.

    BTW:
    Tool is a band. Tool used some of Bill Hicks stand up as samples on the final track of Aenima (Third eye). After hearing the bit in there, I decided to find out who it was, and loved his style and topics. That is how Tool introduced me to Bill Hicks.

  272. Happyhockum:

    JofaMang

    Relax.

    You’re who you are and I’m who I am.
    Even if you – or anyone else here -is/were/are someone else it doesn’t really matter in the greater scheme of things, does it?

    If I’m really causing you this great offence then I’m sorry, that is never my intention here with anyone…….. not even Spideydog ( ;) ).

  273. JofaMang:

    This was the only time I have been truly wound up by anyone here. I don’t care if you call down my mom, my wife, or my dog. You don’t know them, so you can’t truly be insulting past the value of text on a screen.

    But trying to accuse me of being a multi-account schizo, and stalking me across all the front page threads promoting your fuckhead theory… that is beyond the normal run of things. I enjoy my participation here, and all you have to do is look at how Ivan has been treated with the whole Ivan/Roca angle, and you can see why I got pissed.

  274. Ghost:

    HH/navyste:
    You did not know who Tool was??? Let me guess your a hip-hop fan? No wonder you are full of shit.

  275. Spideydog:

    HH said: “Spideydog
    Boo hoo hoo. Your gurning and whinging is hilarious.
    You protest too much, idiot.”

    For someone that doesn’t care, you sure care ALOT and keep replying.

  276. Happyhockum:

    JofaMang

    Relax.

    Ghost

    Well that’s better, now you’ve dropped all pretense at being anything other than the usual f*ckwit PS3-fanboy chorus I don’t feel any need to be nice to you, so f*ck you, go f*ck yourself.
    Idiot.

    Spideydog

    Even by your standards your efforts today have been pathetic beyond measure.

  277. Happyhockum:

    Ghost

    No, not in the slightest, tho your intent is as always way too obvious.

    Your ridiculous casual racism aside, your pathetic threats (yeah, threats on the internet, ooooooo I’m so scared) are nothing less than what I expected from you. You’ve been way too obvious since day 1, sockie.

    I think you’ll find threats of actual physical violence are against some of the few rules we have around here.

    This place can be a bit boysterous, abrasive and cutting but I doubt anyone is going to defend your style of moronic behaviour.

  278. Happyhockum:

    So Dave Parrack

    what are you going to do about this?

    Mike was deleting comments because they questioned his impartiality what are you going to do about threats of physical violence?

  279. Happyhockum:

    It’ll be very interesting to see the response to this.

  280. phranctoast:

    fight fight fight fight!!!!!!!!!

    Doc Martins?
    I thought only lesbians wore those…..?

    It’s OK..I’m a lesbian too.

  281. Happyhockum:

    Is that it phranctoast?

    Seriously, that’s your reaction to that kind of thing!?

  282. phranctoast:

    I’m not going to lose my mind over the fact that someone (on the internet at that) wants to kick your ass.

    Judging by the short amount of time I’ve known you, it probably wont be the last time that happens.

  283. Happyhockum:

    It’s funny, there we go, more than a few of you get your panties in a bunch cos you can’t stand seeing someone who’s not in love with your beloved and who says so very clearly.
    But when the site gets dragged into the sewer with this kind of thing suddenly you don’t want to know (until it’s you, of course).

    However much any of us have ever wound the other up nobody until now has taken to threatening each other.

    You reaction is very sad phranctoast.

  284. phranctoast:

    Only one thing worse than the “internet muscles douchebag” is the “pretentious better than though douchebag”

    btw. You probably didn’t deserve that reaction from him

    “Ghost

    Well that’s better, now you’ve dropped all pretense at being anything other than the usual f*ckwit PS3-fanboy chorus I don’t feel any need to be nice to you, so f*ck you, go f*ck yourself.
    Idiot. ”

    I don’t know what he was thinking.

    You remind me of the person who spits on someone and then wonders why he gets punched in the face…..

  285. Ghost:

    You can go run and cry to Dave/ Mike or who ever you want but the fact remains you are nothing but a PUNK. You like to start shit then run to somebody to back you up. But whatever hell your prob 12 years old, so just whatever, consider yourself ignored and do the same to me.

  286. Happyhockum:

    Ghost

    In all the posts I (or for that matter anyone else I ever saw here) have made nobody threatened an assault on anyone else.

    You crossed the line, you broke the rules.

    I’m not “crying” to anyone (but yes, I have reported this).

    You and those like you ruin websites.
    You can always be relied upon to go too far and ruin it for everyone else.

    Why should anyone else put up with your pathetic bullying stupidity?

  287. Happyhockum:

    phranctoast

    Cobblers.

    Ripping on people, taking the pi$$ whatever it’s been fair game & the way things are here since before I started posting (I lurked a while).

    Nobody ever threatened anyone before.

    He crossed the line.

    Like I said, amazing that you’ll sit there and not say a word when Ivan is calling for people to be banned for dissing his beloved console and yet in a case of a threat of violence you’re bending over backwards to play this down.

    Is that really how you want to see this site go?

    Come on phranctoast, you’re better than that, surely?

  288. phranctoast:

    Do I agree with him threatening you with physical violence? No

    Do I agree with the whining and complaining about it in multiple articles calling for action? No.

    It doesn’t always have to be one side vs the other all the time. I have disagreed with Ivan, Roca, Arvis, SW, and lockdown plenty about games or opinions.

    The Ivan stuff you’re making reference to, I don’t recall.

    When was Ivan calling for people to be banned?

    Was that the same time Mike made a clear warning to not insult the writers? Unfortunately, most of those topics don’t read like they originally did so comments could be taken out of context

  289. Happyhockum:

    No, it wasn’t phranctoast.

    Ivan has called for people to be banned from time to time, nothing to do with Mike’s recent post.

    Ghost began with the usual banter and got back in kind.

    Then he decided to issue a threat of physical assault, laughably pathetic of course but a threat of violence nevertheless.

    Nevermind phranctoast.
    I get you loud and clear.
    Don’t worry about it.

  290. JofaMang:

    I actually agree with HH. A serious threat of physical violence is a serious issue.

    But lets look at the facts. He doesn’t know where you live, what your real name is, what you look like, or really anything at all that could identify you should your paths cross in a back alley. It is an empty threat with zero possibility of actualization. All it did was make Ghost look like a moronic loser who puffs up his chest on a message board.

    Nonetheless, there should be at least some sort of action in this situation. Just don’t try to compare it to the post deletion that was an obvious taunting of the staff. This is nothing like that, at all.

  291. Happyhockum:

    Well that’s a start.

    Nevertheless I don’t know of many open message boards that tolerate that sort of BS.

    It’s one thing to rip, joke, banter etc etc, quite another to start threatening people.

    Of course it’s pathetic and of course it’s a zillion to 1 chance of ever happening (and I’d be more than happy to take my chances with most grown men) but why should it be tolerated at all?

    It appears it has not been in the past.

  292. phranctoast:

    I just realized. kev wrote me a book. That’s going to take a while to reply to. So many inconsistencies and outright incorrect “facts”.

    I may have to do this in phases.

    “phranc – The reality is that sony was successfully sued for their poor ps2 workmanship and had to be forced by the courts to stand behind their product. To date, the same can’t be said of MS. They acknowledged the problem, admitted the issue, and paid for the repair, even paying for shipping. MS took a much more ethical route, which bugs MS haters to no end, I realize that.”

    Sony wasn’t successfully sued in the respect that you’re thinking. They were sued and they settled without trial. When you are sued that does not mean you lose. You are simply accused.

    MS has an ongoing class action suit pending with the RROD issue as well as disc scratching. So in your own words, they have also been successfully sued.
    You can’t deny the fact that the RROD was a lot more publicized than the ps2 issue. Want to know why? Because it’s more widespread. MS knew this which forced their hand. I’ll commend them for acting on it. They waited a decent amount of time denying issues. You also know that.
    I like how you say “the more ethical route”
    Of MS wanted to be ethical, they would have never released a machine with known faults. You know this is true too.

    thats all i have time for now.

  293. kev:

    phranc – “Sony wasn’t successfully sued in the respect that you’re thinking. They were sued and they settled without trial. When you are sued that does not mean you lose. You are simply accused.”

    do your homework. they got sued. lost. appealed. then settled.

    so far no MS suit has been entered much less a settlement. You only think my “facts” are wrong because you know zip about this industry or history.

    The ps2 was publicized but ms made theirs more publicized by admitting it. you also forget there are waaaaay more ‘net users whining (most of which are closet ps3 fanboys) about the 360 than there were in 2000…

    since sony refuses to even acknowledge the ps2 problems, how can they be trusted to give us accurate info? they can’t…

    face it; every ps3 fanboys complaining about hardware is a hypocrite. yourself included.

  294. kev:

    Phranc – where is your proof ms knew of the 360′s faults? particularaly since this was the first tricore console ever designed or mass produced. geez….

  295. phranctoast:

    The settled the disc read error because it was cheaper than litigation.

    The rumble was the won they lost, appealed, then settled.

    “so far no MS suit has been entered much less a settlement. You only think my “facts” are wrong because you know zip about this industry or history.”

    “Phranc – where is your proof ms knew of the 360’s faults? particularaly since this was the first tricore console ever designed or mass produced. geez….”

    h**p://gear.ign.com/articles/939/939372p1.html

    Do you really believe the Disc Read error for the ps2 was really as widespread as the RROD fiasco?

    it only makes it worse when you claim you’re a “gamer”. If you were truly a gamer and not just a fanboy, you’d see the 360 is the superior gaming machine over the ps3 and admit it. You seem to forget that:
    1. the ps3 wasn’t designed as a gaming console, per Ken Kuturagi, the guy who INVENTED the ps3. Go ahead, pretend to know more about the ps3 than the guy who invented it. I need a laugh.

    Completely taken out of context. Its not just a game machine. Neither is the 360. stupid point.

    2. the ps3 has less games available than the 360 while sony continues to lose developers due to the ps3’s poor hardware architecture.

    What developers did Sony lose?

  296. Dave Parrack:

    I’ve had to delete a threatening comment from this thread. We’re all about giving you space to discuss, debate, and rant about games. And vocal sparring is a part of that. But threats of physical violence goes beyond the pail. Please refrain from making comments of that nature again.

    Cheers.

  297. kev:

    phranc – here you go: (waits for the “it doesn’t matter to me” excuse)

    http://gamer.blorge.com/2007/10/11/capcom-ditch-ps3-for-the-wii-developers-leaving-sony-in-droves/

  298. kev:

    phranc – “Completely taken out of context. Its not just a game machine. Neither is the 360. stupid point.”

    actually it’s not. this is why the ps3 uses a non-gaming cpu… it was designed as a networking architecture and not for gaming….

    again…tell it kuturagi…. i love it when you guys pretend to know more than the guy who invented the ps…

    actually, the 360 was developed as a gaming machine FIRST…this is why developers love the environment while most hate the ps3′s…

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