Naughty Dog: Uncharted 2 not possible on Xbox 360, only PS3

August 29, 2009

Naughty Dog: Uncharted 2 not possible on Xbox 360, only PS3Uncharted 2 is looking absolutely fabulous. The original game was already great but looks to have been improved in every single way. Uncharted 2 is, of course, a PS3 exclusive from Naughty Dog. But is the game actually possible on the Xbox 360? Not according to the developer of the game, Naughty Dog.

With the release of the PS3 Slim at a new, lower price point, and the price cuts for the Xbox 360, the two home console that aren’t the Wii are now more closely matched than ever. Seriously, they are now similarly priced, similarly powerful, have the same sized hard drive, and pretty much the same games. Which makes exclusive titles now even more important. One of which is Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, a PS3 exclusive due out later this year.

Exclusive games are sure to be the killer component in splitting the competition between the PS3 and Xbox 360 this holiday season and beyond. Sure, other factors will no doubt come into play when people are deciding which console to plump for, but titles which aren’t available on the rival console are clearly an important part of the equation.

Both the PS3 and Xbox 360 have a pretty good line-up of exclusives on the way, although I’d suggest that long-term, the PS3 edges it. One of the biggest titles is Uncharted 2, due for release in the U.S. on Oct. 13. Christophe Balestra, co-president of Naughty Dog, recently gave an interview to Ars Technica about the game and stated unequivocally that it would be impossible on the Xbox 360.

Balestra said:

I guarantee that this game couldn’t be working on Xbox 360. It would be impossible. I’m 100 percent sure of this.

First of all, we fill the Blu-ray 100 percent, we have no room left on this one. We have 25GB of data; we’re using every single bit of it. It’s the combination of Blu-ray and hard drive. You can play the entire game without loading. We don’t require an install. We’re doing all the post-processing effects on the SPUs [Synergistic Processing Units]. The quality of the depth of field we have, you can’t do that on the Xbox.

We’ve invested a lot of time maximizing the power of the machine. That’s our job, to make the PS3 shine.

Filling the Blu-ray is a fair point but then there is an easy solution. It’s known as ‘extra discs’. If Final Fantasy XIII is possible on the Xbox 360 on this score then so is Uncharted 2. And that pretty much seems to be Balestra’s only argument as to why the PS3 exclusive Uncharted 2 wouldn’t be possible on the Xbox 360.

I don’t buy it. Sure, it might look a little different on the Xbox 360 due to the way each console handles graphics and processing. But looking different doesn’t mean impossible. I just think this is a classic example of overstating the case for the defense.

It seems every exclusive title has to be talked up until the developer is blue in the face, probably at the behest of Sony or Microsoft. But Uncharted 2: Among Thieves is looking good enough in its own right to sell millions of copies and be a system seller to boot. So this kind of BS isn’t really necessary.

148 Responses to “Naughty Dog: Uncharted 2 not possible on Xbox 360, only PS3”

  1. Ivan_PSP:

    UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves is impossible for more then just Blu-ray Disc space just look at those graphics. Naughty Dog knows what is talking about they actually make games unlike Microsoft they don’t even make games they even stop buying timed exclusives. They kept buying DLC and the other new trend is making Halo rip offs expansion packs. Also UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves would need a lot of loading on Xbox 360. And since not all Xbox 360 include a HDD that’s another massive problem. Almost all developer said already they maxed out the entire Xbox 360 power.

  2. Roca.:

    @ Dave

    “I don’t buy it. Sure, it might look a little different on the Xbox 360 due to the way each console handles graphics and processing. But looking different doesn’t mean impossible. I just think this is a classic example of overstating the case for the defense.”

    I wouldn’t buy it either if this was the first time that some one say something like that, but its been many times, It all started with Lair (granted the game sucked due to the six-axis), and then Hideo Kojima him self said the quality of MSG4 was only possible on the PS3. Insomniac said the same about R&C Future: ToD. then EA said that the 360 is “Maxed out” and that we havent even seen the PS3 full potential yet….the Epic them self pretty much said that the Unreal Engine 2 they used for GoW2 was using everything the 360 has to offer (graphically). Tretton also said at E3 2008 that MAG was only possible on PS3. same goes for Killzone 2 and Flower. and now Quantic Dream said few days ago that Heavy Rain graphical achievement was only possible on the PS3……..are they all talking shit, is it just coincidence or what???? (this question was ONLY directed to Dave Parrack, if your name is not Dave Parrack please don’t respond or make a comment about my post. many members here suffer from taking everything like if it was directed to them)

  3. Ivan_PSP:

    Dave you said he only talks about Blu-ray Disc space that’s not true read this.

    “I guarantee that this game couldn’t be working on Xbox 360. It would be impossible. I’m 100 per cent sure of this,” Balestra told ars technica.

    “It’s the combination of Blu-ray and hard drive,” he explained, revealing that “every single bit” of the 25GB disc had been filled.

    EA senior VP Patrick Soderlund said that “we’ve maxed out the 360 but we haven’t maxed out the PS3.”

    Volition’s Rick White
    “Yeah, we’ve got it to the point where we can’t even put an extra vehicle into a world, because it’ll blow the memory. Every little change we make we have to be hyper-critical about it because it could just bring the whole system down. We evaluate every little change in the game, and then we run our tools on it to make sure it isn’t going to break the game and then we move forward, so it really is about pushing the engine as far as we can, and pushing the hardware as far as we can, and then looking at what is the next set of hardware thats going to come out. Where can we take it then? You know were already thinking about if we had XYZ X number of years from now, what would we do with our engine?”

    “You can play the entire game without loading. We don’t require an install. We’re doing all the post-processing effects on the SPUs [Synergistic Processing Units]. The quality of the depth of field we have, you can’t do that on the Xbox.

    “We’ve invested a lot of time maximising the power of the machine,” added Balestra. “That’s our job.”

  4. Ivan_PSP:

    Fernando asks: Have you considered tackling any genres Naughty Dog hasn’t tried before, maybe a Survival horror, FPS, Racer?
    Evan Wells: Well we have done a couple of racers. Don’t forget CTR (one of my favorite games to have worked on) and Jak X! For a while we had some interest in doing a FPS, but it’s such a crowded market and everybody it doing it so well now, I’m not sure the world needs our take on it. But we’re always open to trying something new. We don’t like things to get stale around here.

  5. Ghost:

    “I guarantee that this game couldn’t be working on Xbox 360. It would be impossible. I’m 100 percent sure of this.”
    LMAO thats the best quote ever. Im sure all the x-girls will start screaming now?

  6. Ivan_PSP:

    Ghost:
    LMFAO good one. Naughty Dog was one time thinking of making a FPS glad they decide on UNCHARTED instead.

  7. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    doesnt the ps3 have more spu’s in it than the 360??…so that said naughty dog used all post processing effects on the spu, which would give it an edge on ps3

  8. Ivan_PSP:

    Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:
    The has 7 Synergistic Processing Elements (SPE)

  9. CON:

    In terms of this game I think final fantasy is looking better. Obviously this games is impossible on dvd buts that’s as far as I would go right now.

    I’ve yet to see a developer get the best out of the ps3 but if naughty dog do this will be very good for sony because as far as multi plat games go 360 still seems to have the edge graphically. However this is usually because it is difficult to program for both consoles so having to only progrom for ps3 is another advantage

  10. CAD:

    There is nothing that has ever been stated by Sony that says a game is not technically possible on the 360 except for because it’s on bluray, nothing else! Sheer disk space is rhe only reason given. It is a well known fact that bluray spins a 2X therefore it takes a significant amount of time to get data of the disk. This is why the PS3 has become famous for mandatory installs. no install means no compressed data. Because it’s not, if any, compresses data that could be stored once. It needs to be laid on disk uncompressed for easch situation. Basically a lot of duplication for no reason because it needs to stay uncompressed. That simply comes down to good compression and it can easily be put on DVD. But coming from a Sony First Party Studio do you really expect them to telll the truth. LOL! They don’t even develope for the 360 so how can that be a ceditable source. I don’t buy it either! If there was something technical happening then sure but that has never been the reason it’s the same old excuse about Bluray. Now on the flip side it has been stated that Splinter Cell was not possible on the PS3 because it cannot handel a complex AI. That is what I call a technical advantage. Just last week the Forza Developers said they have pushed the 360 even further and there was that studio within EA where the guy said if you think the 360 is maxed out it’s because your out of ideas and this came after some bigshot from EA said that the 360 was maxed out. It’s just Sony saying they have a tehcnical advantage when they really don’t.

  11. CON:

    I think most ps3 exclusives have made this claim haven’t they?

  12. Ivan_PSP:

    CON:
    Also to make good PS3 games like Konami did with MGS4 developer need to have talent.

    Final Fantasy XIII is ruin already. I’m a skip it and wait for Final Fantasy Versus XIII and Final Fantasy XIV.

    A lot of real developers are on par with SCE games already so all game look a like.

    The only problem i have with Xbox 360 multiplaform games is that the PS3 has to suffer the consequences by having to be just like the Xbox 360 version. I wish developers use all the power of the PS3 for multiplaform without caring about Xbox 360 version look. We shouldn’t have to be force to have the same Xbox 360 quality games just because Microsoft decided not make more powerful and use Blu-ray Disc.

  13. CON:

    CAD

    Don’t think you can begrudge naughty dog for doing this. They want to promote their game. If it’s only on one console they’re obviously going to have to promote that console

  14. Ivan_PSP:

    Mandatory install most of the time was optional but that seems to stop developers are manging all of that like SCE developers they use mandatory install anymore. The past. UNCHARTED 2 is compressed and still 25GB almost a double layer Blu-ray.

  15. CON:

    Ivan it’s the 360 versions that have always looked superior so that doesn’t fly. If that was the case and sony had to downgrade then why would they not look as good as the 360?? Surely that would be easier if your argument is that sony are capable of more

  16. Ivan_PSP:

    That’s so 2007

  17. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    @cad we are seeing much less mandatory installs in all games

  18. SW:

    Why would anyone whine about installs. They even improve load speeds on the 360 (plus keeps it quiet)!

    Anywhoos,

    This is just another case of a developer trying to get some publicity and please thier ‘masters’. We’ve all heard this crap for the 360 & PS3 before.

  19. Bourne:

    Naughty dog said there’s going to be no mandatory install on uncharted 2.

  20. Ivan_PSP:

    Bourne:
    Yeah they did no mandatory install.

  21. Rimmer:

    Will Uncharted 2 be able to run on the 360? no of course not, it has been specifically designed to use PS3 hardware. Could you create uncharted 2 for the 360 so that it looks the same – of course you can, but i suspect you would have to rewrite the entire thing. Of course a Sony owned developer is going to say this. It doesn’t make it actually true, especially since they have actually never developed anything for the 360.

  22. phranctoast:

    I’d really like to know why some games need to be installed and some don’t.

    The 2X blu ray drive is proven to be faster than a 12X DVD drive.
    Especially when that speed drops in half with dual layer DVD9′s, which all games are on.

  23. Happyhockum:

    Sony dev bashes Xbox.

    Stand back in amazement everyone.

  24. Happyhockum:

    Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:
    “doesnt the ps3 have more spu’s in it than the 360?”

    Yeah 7 of those odd things verses the Xboxes 3 cores with 2 threads each .

    The thing that is always discarded & forgotten in this though is they are not directly comparable in that sort of simplistic way.

    That’s why Rage’s Cormack recently said that the Xbox runs a little faste than PS3.

    The Xbox threads and cores can run independantly of each other, the Cell’s SPUs can’t.

  25. Happyhockum:

    phranctoast

    “Especially when that speed drops in half with dual layer DVD9’s, which all games are on.”

    Since when was an x8 dual layer DVD9 “half” the speed of a single layer x12 DVD5?

  26. Happyhockum:

    phranctoast

    “Especially when that speed drops in half with dual layer DVD9’s, which all games are on.”

    Since when was an x8 dual layer DVD9 “half” the speed of a single layer x12 DVD5?

  27. Happyhockum:

    SW
    “Why would anyone whine about installs.”

    Something to whine about?
    The Xbox does full installs and the PS3 at best only does partial (rolling?) installs?

    Straw clutching, perhaps?

  28. oldschool1987:

    Wheres Andrew_DS(Double Shit) during this?

    I’m suprised he ain’t said how this game would run 10 times better on his Wii lol

  29. Roca.:

    its funny how you guys talk like you all know about programing and stuff…………….

    “seeing is believing”

    so until I see something that looks “that good” on the 360, then we can say it is possible on the PS3. until then xbox is stuck with with GoW2 as the best looking xbox game.

  30. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    Yes indeed, seeing is believing.

    So you’re lumbered with the visual truth that nothing on PS3 – for all the droning on and on and on about it’s supposed ‘technical superiority’ – actually looks any better than anything on the Xbox.

    Oh sure, the very very latest is looking better but then when you compare like with like we’re back to nothing in it.

    The coming Xbox games (Modern Warfare 2 in particular & for instance – and by that I mean the Xbox version) will match the most recent crop of PS3 games (not that there is anything in it now).

    Then we’ll see a small advance in the following PS3 games to be matched and passed by next years Xbox.

    Making mountains out of molehills.

    That’s what you’re doing.
    They look and sound the same.

  31. Happyhockum:

    ….and by “the very very latest is looking better” I mean the PS3 games are now looking a hell of a lot better than that lacklustre and very oridinary looking set of games it started out with.

  32. Roca.:

    If you didnt know Uncharted 2 got every single graphic award at E3, CoD: MW2 didnt even stand a chance.

    and FYI CoD: MW2 doesnt even look as good as Killzone 2. but keep ur hopes up on a multiplatform titles. dont make stupid prediction if u dont know what ur talking about

  33. lock_down:

    It’s funny that PS2 users didn’t have any problem when people said Xbox 1 could do things the PS2 couldn’t.

    It’s surprising that 360 users can’t do the same.

    Oh no wait, no it isn’t.

  34. CON:

    Bla bla bla here we go……

  35. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    I’d advise you hold your horses until the thing is actually released.
    I’m willing to bet that once again we’ll see a supposedly amazing ‘killer’ game turn out to be a little less than previously imagined.

    lock_down

    I have no problem if – *if* – that turns out to be the case but so far I have seen no sign of it whatsoever.

    Lots was made about KZ2 and superficially it looks nice but it has all sorts of weird things going on with distance rendering etc.

    All we have right now are the usual PS3 big-gobs pretending that every game out for PS3 is stunningly amazing and they are all set to be surpassed by another crop of games, everyone of which is at least 10 x more amaziong that what is out now.

    Come on, it’s absurd and you know it.
    They both look much the same.

  36. Roca.:

    if you never play killzone 2 they dont talk, there is no distance rendering issues. ur starting to show ur lack of knowledge. why dont you play the game and then you can talk

  37. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    Wise up, what makes you think I haven’t seen it?

    You guys made so much noise about it that I had to have a look when my mate bought it.

  38. Roca.:

    and according to you there was some distant rendering issues?

  39. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    Actually no, not just me.

    I think the game looks good, it just doesn’t match the ridiculous hype people like you gave it.

    It does have detail and texture pop-up as you move….which I do indeed call a distance rendering issue.
    Some of the controlls seemed silly (holding the crouch button to stay in cover?) but I guess you’d get used to it.
    Silly stuff like that just seemed a PITA.

    The funny thing is my KZ2 owning pal prefers COD4, by far.

  40. Roca.:

    “I think the game looks good, it just doesn’t match the ridiculous hype people like you gave it.”

    Im not hyping anything, im just give credit when credit is due, you should try doing the same once in a while. To many developers/reviewers KZ2 even surpassed the likes of Crysis for PC. but of course they are all wrong and you are right. sorry for doubting you I didnt know your knowledge would go as far as to prove the “whole world” wrong.

    CoD is more user friendly and more “straight-to-actiong” type of game and KZ2 is more tactical and it takes more time to fully enjoy the game as you have to unlock classes by leveling up

  41. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    You weren’t “giving credit” you like 1 or 2 others here hyped the living sh*te out of KZ2.

    I have given the game credit btw, I’m just a little more realistic than you.
    You don’t see me coming on here claiming particular Xbox games are ‘the best ever’.
    What for anyways?
    People know how to read, how to click on preview videos etc.
    I have no need to perform the laughable PR campaign you seem to always indulge in.

    “To many developers/reviewers KZ2 even surpassed the likes of Crysis for PC”

    Yeah right.
    All the ones employed by Sony, nobody else.

    You’re still left, once again, making excuses as to why the game you claimed would be the absolute pinnacle of games somehow just isn’t.

    Like I said, when all the hype had died down my friend with both rarely plays KZ2 and the other who saw it too saw nothing he felt like buying, both are still playing COD4 heavily.

    Personally I’m just putting COD4 down and I am enjoying the world of Gears 2.
    It’s a fantastic game and so much fun with a bunch of friends on-line.

    Am I slamming KZ2 by saying this?
    Nope.
    I’m not even saying which I think is better.
    I’m just saying what game I’m enjoying right now.

    Shame you guys seem incapable of doing similar.

  42. Roca.:

    (Yawn…)

  43. SW:

    Erm? Dave? Where art thou…

  44. Ivan_PSP:

    LoL

  45. CON:

    You might be Ivan….

  46. Mike Ferro:

    @ ivan

    * comment deleted

    Come on ivan no spamming.

  47. me_:

    “To many developers/reviewers KZ2 even surpassed the likes of Crysis for PC”

    I think that’s the hype Happy was talking about. Neither the PS3 or 360 are capable of Crysis like graphics.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRWRskYLdno&feature=related

    If you think that KZ2 is better than the PC version in the link above you’re just a blind fanboy.

  48. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    “yawn”

    Yeah, of course it bores you.
    I have no doubt you like your loopy ‘friend’ think you’re here ‘influencing’ people and possibly cultivating PS3 sales.

  49. Roca.:

    PS3 sales = yawn

    I couldn’t care less about console sale I play them all, your the only one whos going to miss out

  50. Ivan_PSP:

    Mike Ferro:
    Okay. Won’t happen again, sorry.

    Roca.:
    The PS3 Slim is still #1 on Amazon. So it must be doing good. You right he will be the only one missing out on the best games.

    me_:
    Killzone 2 has better graphics then Crysis no doubt about it.

  51. me_:

    Ivan_:

    You just failed the fanboy test.

  52. Ivan_PSP:

    me_:
    Is that good or bad i don’t get it LoL?

    I will always have a lot of love for the PlayStation brand is the first console i ever own and it got me into gaming since 1998 to present.

    To run Crysis you need a beast of a PC. On my PC it looks fine but i have two beast one is the Alienware and the VAIO. You will need higher specs then the one Crysis’s requires to run a game like Killzone 2 on any PC.

    Did i pass any test professor me_?

  53. me_:

    Well I did suspect you’ve got a lot of love for Sony, and that’s fine I suppose.

    Crysis is getting old now so it doesn’t really require a top level PC any more. I’ve got a friend that go a mid level PC 6 months ago and it runs Cyrsis fine at 1080p.

    Both the PS3 and the 360 are showing their age now in terms of graphics. The games are still great though :D

  54. Ivan_PSP:

    me_:
    “Well I did suspect you’ve got a lot of love for Sony, and that’s fine I suppose.”

    Hell fucking yeah i do.

    “Crysis is getting old now so it doesn’t really require a top level PC any more. I’ve got a friend that go a mid level PC 6 months ago and it runs Cyrsis fine at 1080p.”

    That’s awesome for your friend. You wrote Crysis wrong.

    “Both the PS3 and the 360 are showing their age now in terms of graphics. The games are still great though”

    Maybe the Xbox 360 is showing how outdated has always been but the PS3 is just getting started do some more research in the graphic area of consoles.

  55. me_:

    I watched an Uncharted 2 demo for the first time today. Not impressed.

    Consoles are getting very outdated.

    I think I’ll wait to see the Ps4.

  56. Ivan_PSP:

    me_:
    The only consoles that are already outdated are Xbox 360 and Wii the PLAYSTATION 3 is far from being outdated.

    And UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves is very impressive in sense of the word the game is outer this world is jaw dropping mind blowing pure amazing.

    If UNCHARTED doesn’t impressive you nothing will.

  57. me_:

    Well I’ve been through this argument before. People trying to convince me that the “emotion engine” was more powerful than my Geforce6.

    Really did FFXII have better graphics than Oblivion?

  58. Ivan_PSP:

    me_:
    Well Final Fantasy XII looks perfect as for Oblivion one hyped up game they look near the same. And yes i know is a PS2 game but Square-Enix knows how to make awesome games too bad they had to ruin FFXIII a bit for more money.

  59. me_:

    I’m with you for FFXII. I’me playing through it at the moment.

    As for eye-candy I’ve moved on from the current gen of outdated consoles.

  60. Ivan_PSP:

    me_:
    I still play PS2 every too mostly GTA Trilogy and SOCOM II.

  61. me_:

    Well Ivan. I am playing FFXII, Tekken V and many other games that are now cross platform now.

    btw I’m looking for a fighting stick. I used to play on a PS2 controller so I am having trouble with the 360 controller (which sucks balls for fighting games).

    I’m willing to step up and get a popper controller but It’s a bit confused which one to get.

  62. Ivan_PSP:

    me_;
    Stick with the best controller PS2. I love Tekken it brings a lot of old memories from back when the PlayStation started taking over gaming industry.

    Don’t bother with the Xbox 360 is too painful.

    Wow you woke me up to playing more PS2 titles like Downhill Domination, Primal and Extermination.

  63. Happyhockum:

    Ivan_PSP:
    “Don’t bother with the Xbox 360 is too painful.”

    You just can’t help yourself can you?

    The truth is
    (assuming that the controllers bother you at all)
    that if you’re already used to the PS controller then the Xbox one feels a bit big and a bit weird and vice-versa, for someone used to the Xbox controller the PS one feels small, fiddly and odd.

  64. CON:

    True I always thought ps had the best controller until 360 with it’s better grip and triggers win hands down for racing.

    I wonder win sony bring out a better controller for gt5?

  65. Roca.:

    “I wonder win sony bring out a better controller for gt5?”

    People has been using the Dual Shock controllers since the first Gran Turismo (Sony launched GT1 and the Dual Shock 1 at the same time). so the PS3 controller will be great for GT5

  66. Happyhockum:

    I find my Xbox controller with the snug-fitting custom neoprene cover very comfortable.

  67. CON:

    Roca just because the controller is old isn’t a reason so say it’s good. They made a half assed attempt at made trigger buttons that bend back. Don’t know why they just didn’t do it right

  68. Roca.:

    there is not such thing as a “better controller” it is all a matter of opinion. I know alot of ppl who prefer a mouse and a Keyboard for shooters, but personally I hate using a mouse and a keyboard.

  69. SW:

    ‘if you’re already used to the PS controller then the Xbox one feels a bit big’

    Agreed. Moving between the two, I sometimes feel that the 360 controller is too big, and sometimes that the PS3 controller is too small ;) The triggers are def. better on the 360 tho, but then the PS3 has a far superior D-Pad.

  70. Happyhockum:

    SW

    “the PS3 has a far superior D-Pad”

    True……but (IIRC I’ve mentioned this before?) it is very easily remedied.

    You just have to ‘thin’ the ‘wall’ of plastic around the Xbox D pad (to about 1/2 it’s thickness).
    After that it works as well as any.

    It’s pretty well described on youtube here –

    w.youtube.com/watch?v=CXG2aDn6ZYg

  71. JofaMang:

    Wow, nice tip SW, I’ll have to remember that if Fable III and Forza3 finally convince me to get one, heh.

  72. JofaMang:

    Err, nice tip HH, there I go typing before reading again.

  73. CON:

    Really good tip. Didn’t know it was just the outer case and not the dpad itself. Id like to know what ms reasons are for not making this simple correction.

    Personally I wouldn’t go to the bother of opening it up, Im sure you could just us a stanley knive in a matter of seconds who cares if it’s a bit rough I just hurrican kicked your ass! How do you like that shit?? Huh?? There I did it again! What’s my name bitch???

  74. CON:

    Sorry guys have to ask this but how small are your hands??? 360 controller really isn’t that big.

  75. Roca.:

    the Initial problem M$ faced back with the Original Xbox was the d-pad design, as both Sony and Nintendo bought their d-pad design’s right and nobody else can use the same design for a console controller. so they why M$ settled with the “one big button” d-pad design

  76. CON:

    Theres nothing wrong with the “one big button” dpad. It’s a mix between the normal dpad and stick which really helps you pull of moves a lot better. The problem is that theres a little bit too much plastic on the outer case which the dpad sometimes bumps into which fucks up your moves

  77. CON:

    w.youtube.com/watch?v=ks8PZ8X6Yo8

    This is a brilliant spoof of the new batman game really funny

  78. Happyhockum:

    Con
    “Im sure you could just us a stanley knive in a matter of seconds”

    That’s exactly how I did it (well not a stanley knife but a sharp thin blade) & if you’re careful it won’t end up rough.

    Works a charm.

    Roca

    You do realise that under the “big button” d-pad there are 4 individual switches?
    It’s the same kind of thing just done a little differently.

    Sega and Nintendo have all used a form of ‘big button’ and they too not only worked very well but also had (underneath) the 4 seperate switches.

  79. Roca.:

    I never said that the controller had only one switch. it’s comon sense to assume the that a d-pad consist of for switches. but the one big button can be a pain in the ass for some arcade games

  80. SW:

    Well as fun as taking my controller would be, I think Ill just live with it ;)

    Its just like the triggers on the PS3 controller in that I don’t really use them enough to make me want to do anything about it (not that you can remedy the ps3 triggers, but I also don’t think they are THAT awful).

  81. Ivan_PSP:

    Grammar disaster all over all post laugh out loud.

    The name for the Xbox was originally the Direct X-box as it came from a group of Microsoft Direct X developers, but later changed to Xbox after focus testing. The marketing team apparently “created this whole, long list of better names for the machine”, former Microsoft VP of game publishing Ed Fries said in a interview with Gamasutra.

    Xbox 360 names during the development Xenon, Xbox 2, Xbox FS, Xbox Next, or NextBox.

    Before the launch of the Xbox 360, several alpha development kits were spotted using Apple’s Power Mac G5 hardware. This was due to the system’s PowerPC 970 processor running the same PowerPC architecture that the Xbox 360 would eventually run under IBM’s Xenon processor. The cores of the Xenon processor were developed using a slightly-modified version of the PlayStation 3′s Cell Processor PPE architecture. According to David Shippy and Mickie Phipps, the IBM employees were “hiding their work from Sony and Toshiba.”

    upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Xbox360-controller.jpg

    upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/XboxOriginalController.jpg

  82. phranctoast:

    “Since when was an x8 dual layer DVD9 “half” the speed of a single layer x12 DVD5?”

    Sorry happy. Not sure what you mean.

  83. Happyhockum:

    phranctoast

    I quoted your comment –

    “Especially when that speed drops in half with dual layer DVD9’s, which all games are on.”

    So I was just asking how does the dual layer DVD9 speed of x8 equate to “half” the speed of a single layer x12 DVD5?

    It doesn’t, 2/3rds is the best you can claim, not 1/2.
    As if any of this makes the slightest difference with Xbox once you have saved the whole game to HDD anyways.

    (which anyone with the HDD & any sense will do, it gives the machine a much easier time in terms of heat and activity/wear and slashes the noise enormously.)

  84. phranctoast:

    It makes no difference once it’s on the HDD.

    I’m sorry, but I cant find the 8x DL drive speed of the 360 anywhere.

    Normal 12X DVD readers will read at that speed (slightly slower) and half that speed When reading DL DVD’s. If the 360 drive speed not normal, I cant say.

    All I was saying, If you do the math the PS3 2X BD drive is faster at a constant rate than the 360 12X dvd drive that only reads that fast at peak and is mostly slower due to most games being on DL discs.

    My question was, basically asking why some ps3 games require partial install when the drive has been proven to be quicker.

  85. Happyhockum:

    Ivan

    Close Ivan (this is several months old news btw), excepting the usual one-eyed pro-Sony spin.

    It’s been out exactly one year this month –
    w.amazon.com/gp/product/0806531010?ie=UTF8&tag=videogame2pla-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0806531010

    Xbox was created and initially developed with the knowledge of what Sony were doing with PS3.
    It’s one major reason why there is nothing to choose between then in terms of how they perform.

    BTW Xenon is actually nothing like the Cell.

    For a start the 3 general purpose cores can operate independantly as well as together, something the Cell cannot do, it effectively has a single ‘core’, regardless of the 7 SPEs.

  86. phranctoast:

    So unethical. It’s truly unbelievable.

  87. Roca.:

    please dont compare the 360′s Xenon with the PS3′s Cell.

    The PS3′s Cell have been recognized as one the “best” processor in the tech industry for many reason that you wouldn’t understand.

    also M$ never knew anything about the Cell when they were creating the 360. they are both (Sony and M$) “probably” working on thier next console (720/PS4) and they dont know shit about the conpetitor’s console specs

  88. Happyhockum:

    phranctoast

    I don’t know why that is – ‘security’?
    Paranoia?

    I do know that 1 x and 2 x Blu-ray speeds do not simply read across as if they were the same as 1 x and 2 x DVD speeds.

  89. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    F*ck off, the grown ups were talking.

  90. phranctoast:

    “phranctoast

    I don’t know why that is – ’security’?
    Paranoia?”

    Using one companies R&D money to help fund the creation of their direct competitor chip set is kind of fucked up.
    All in all, it’s more IBM’s issue than anybody else’s.

    “I do know that 1 x and 2 x Blu-ray speeds do not simply read across as if they were the same as 1 x and 2 x DVD speeds.”

    That would be correct. a 1x and 2x BD speed is faster than a 1X or 2X DVD speed.

    I’m thinking the answer to my question lies in developers have the HDD in every ps3 and they utilize that for quicker speeds rather than optimize the game to use the drive. With the reported issues with the BD laser I don’t see that as a bad thing (less wear n tear)

  91. Roca.:

    nice way of showing how Immature you are.

    you still need to past through Puberty, and then you can think of yourself as in the grown up category. (I wonder what did I do to offend you in the first place)

  92. harry sachz:

    So Uncharted 2 uses the full blu ray and 100% of the CPU?

    So does that mean it’s been maxed out?

  93. phranctoast:

    it would appear to be the case.

  94. Roca.:

    while using a full bluray disc doesnt mean there is room for more, there is always DL BD disc, and also Uncharted 2 has over 90mins of cut scenes which takes a good amount of space (ala MGS4)

  95. CON:

    Tu che harry

  96. kev:

    It’s no coincidence that the only developers hyping bluray and the ps3’s architecture are sony-paid developers. (read: schills)

    The good news: it keeps the ps3 fanboys hyped up.
    The bad news: this type of b.s. has failed to spur ps3 growth in the past.

    So far, there is nothing seen on the ps3 that hasn’t already been done on the 360, yet just before launching a ps3 game, a sony-developer touts how it’s “only possible on the ps3”.

    Are we still supposed to believe this? It’s even funnier when you consider John Carmack has publicly stated the ps3’s graphics processor is weaker and slower than the 360’s and has memory limitations the 360 doesn’t have.

    Didn’t Kojima state “msg4 was only possible on the ps3”, just before announcing it for the 360? Gawd…. It’s no wonder the ps3 fanboys are insane, their developers are too.

    Well, let’s see what’s so special about Uncharted and the graphics of this game that’s not seen on any other console.

    It’s really sucks they make you eat up valuable disk space to install these games. Then again, with more and more ps3’s lasers failing, I can see why they do it.

    Not to mention how slowly the bluray drive reads in comparison to the 360’s which is many times faster.

    I find it hilarious that bluray is being touted as benefit when 360 games look better than most ps3 games, take half as long to develop, and don’t require 10 minute installs just to play a game.

    Where’s the benefit again? Oh yeah, there is none, as bluray was never designed for gaming or to benefit gaming. This is why the read speeds are soooo slow on the ps3.

    Kuturagi, Hirai, nor Harrison ever hyped bluray for gaming. With good reason. It has no discernable benefits to gaming. Good movie watching tho.

    Lockdown – Every single ps2 fanboy had a problem with the fact the xbox could do things the ps2 couldn’t. Sony did too, and that’s why they launched their “hidden power” of the Emotion Engine campaign.

    I only have a problem when fanboys say a movie machine is a better gaming console than one designed for gaming.

    If the ps3 was the gaming machine the fanboys say it is, it wouldn’t be killed in sales with 150 million former customers on the market and it would have a higher attach ratio than the competition, but it actually is lower.

    This means, less people are buying the console and less games are being sold per console. Sounds like the gamers just aren’t finding the games or the ps3 that much fun. Prolly why sony thinks they have to hype so hard….regardless if it’s truthful or not

  97. phranctoast:

    “Didn’t Kojima state “msg4 was only possible on the ps3”, just before announcing it for the 360? Gawd…. It’s no wonder the ps3 fanboys are insane, their developers are too.”

    Did I miss something? When is MGS4 coming to the 360?

    “Not to mention how slowly the bluray drive reads in comparison to the 360’s which is many times faster.”

    wrong.

  98. kev:

    phranc – yes, he’s bringing MGS to the 360… you don’t think he’ll take the years to create a brand new engine do you? nope…same as MGS4…yet “only possible on the ps3″…wtf…LOL.

    actually the bd is slower than dvd drives in the 360. sorry.

  99. phranctoast:

    We don’t know what type of game MGS rising will be. It could be an action/fighting game for all we know. Engine could be modified. It’s a moot point as I was fucking with you since MGS4 is not coming out on the 360.

    “actually the bd is slower than dvd drives in the 360. sorry.”

    No it’s not. sorry.
    I proved it before in other stories/threads, I really don’t feel like doing it again.

    This is why asked the question. Why have the installs when the 2x BD drive is faster than a 12x DVD drive. keep in mind that the 12x is variable and reads significantly slower when reading DL discs.

  100. kev:

    phrance – why do you ps3 fanboys always start rumor the developers NEVER make?

    it may not be MGS4 in name, but same engine, same characters, etc….

    kinda like they did with MGS:SoL last gen. it wasn’t identical to the ps2′s version but definately the same.

    it’s odd you seem to be the only person in the world who doesn’t think the bd is the ps3 is slower than the 360. quick, tell the tech sites; this would be a great story for them all…. :)

  101. kev:

    phranc – define “significantly slower”… it would have to be waaaaaaay slower to match the bd speed.

  102. phranctoast:

    Wasn’t to hard to find

    2x Blu-ray Drive (72Mbps(9MB/s))
    Single Layer (2x CLV) – Constant Linear Velocity (Same speed across entire disk)
    Double Layer – Couldn’t find any data but no games have been released on a double layer yet.

    Entire Blu-ray Disk is read at 9MB/s.

    12x DVD-Rom Drive SL (9.25MB/S-15.85MB/s(AVG ~8x(10.57MB/s) DL (4.36MB/s-10.57MB/s(AVG ~6x(7.93MB/s)
    SL(DVD-5) 12x Max (5-12x Full CAV) – Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)
    DL(DVD-9) 8x Max (3.3-8x Full CAV) – Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)

    SL DVD AVG 1.57MB/s > SL Blu-ray
    DL DVD AVG 1.07MB/s < SL Blu-ray

    I guess the bigges issue is most 360 games are on DL dvd’s while most ps3 games are on SL bd25′s

    It gets more complicated as the 360 only reaches its max on the outside edge of the dvd while BD is a constant 2x throughout disc.

  103. kev:

    it looks like you’re taking the best-case for the ps3 and comparing it to the worst-case of the 360. nice……

  104. Roca.:

    “Metal Gear Solid: Rising won’t be using the same engine as Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. Instead, Kojima Productions is building a multiplatform one from scratch to support the PC, Playstation 3 and Xbox 360.”

    uhmmm the Kojima production team is using a totally different engine the MGS Rising. Hideo Kojima in not involve in the game. so if you know know what ur talking about please dont come here to make us waste our time reading your crap

  105. kev:

    roca – kojima did not state he was creating a new engine. sorry, but keep your fanboy theories to yourself until we hear otherwise.

    save the bandwidth.

  106. Roca.:

    and when did MSG4 was announced for the 360?
    are you up to date Kev?

  107. phranctoast:

    “it looks like you’re taking the best-case for the ps3 and comparing it to the worst-case of the 360. nice……”

    Well duh!!!!
    The best case scenario for the ps3 is most often, ad well as the worse case scenario for the 360. I can’t help that most 360 games are on DL discs.

    enough of this. You’re starting to embarrass yourself. stick to determining the cause of traffic accidents (cool job btw)

    So….. since the BD drive is quicker IT MOST SCENARIOS…..

    why do developers choose to partial install? I wish we had a developer here to explain that to us.

  108. Roca.:

    Kev: “kojima did not state he was creating a new engine. sorry, but keep your fanboy theories to yourself until we hear otherwise”

    I bet after this post we wont hear from you again because your going to look like a real IDIOT

    h**p://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/696556/Metal-Gear-Solid-Rising-Doesnt-Use-MGS4-Engine.html

    h**p://news.bigdownload.com/2009/06/15/new-graphics-engine-for-metal-gear-solid-rising

    h**p://ps3.ign.com/articles/994/994748p1.html

    h**p://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-345695.aspx

    did we just hear otherwise? or were you just creating false claims? once again you have been proven to be full of shit. AND you are also wrong with the BD/DVD drive speed. when are you going to come down to earth and start making truthfull statements?

  109. Roca.:

    ……..I told you guys he aint coming back! lol

  110. SW:

    Wait, Kev determines the causes of traffic accidents? Thats actually pretty neat.

    Anywhoos, I was under the impression that the seek time for the ps3′s drive was about double(meaning worse) the 360′s and that the x2 read speed was capable of matching the *worst possible* performance of the 360′s dvd drive.

    All in all this is kind of a pointless ‘battle’, if you REALLY care about load times with either machine you’d be wanting installations which both machines have so who fucking cares.

  111. phranctoast:

    @kev.

    ““Metal Gear Solid: Rising won’t be using the same engine as Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. Instead, Kojima Productions is building a multiplatform one from scratch to support the PC, Playstation 3 and Xbox 360.””

    Roca didn’t make this quote up.

  112. phranctoast:

    kev is like traffic dexter.

  113. Happyhockum:

    SW

    Correct me if I’m wrong (always happy to learn) but IIRC the PS3 doesn’t do ‘full’ installations.

    The most I’ve seen quoted for it are partial installs of up to 5gbs or 6gbs.

  114. phranctoast:

    No full installs on PS3. Only Warhawk as far as I know.

  115. Ivan_PSP:

    full INSTALL ON PS3 is useless we don’t need that.

  116. SW:

    HH – Oh for sure, and I agree. But ill take ANY amount of data on a HDD over a slow optical drive. Of course if I could I would take full installs on PS3 if I could.

  117. Ivan_PSP:

    Useless to us.

    Can’t wait to play UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves online.

  118. CON:

    “Useless to us. ”

    Why?

  119. kev:

    phranc – good news about mgs on the 360. We won’t have to use the old and antiquated engine used on the ps3. When it comes out looking better than MGS4, you guys can use this for an excuse. :)

    Sorry for the delay…Mondays …yuck….

    Anyway, I guess I’m just wondering why you left out how seek times affect the speed, or data placement, as variables to be taken into consideration when doing speed comparisons. As you ps3 fanboys like to claim, there is so much more data on bluray… yet, with your numbers, more data means nothing.

    Wouldn’t more data mean longer seek times and decreased read times? Maybe I’m wrong, but from everything I’ve read on drive speeds, seek times seem impactful.

    Then again, I’m also wondering why the ps3 requires loading of their games if it was as quick as the 360. Why eat up valuable hdd space if you don’t need to? Something doesn’t smell right…..

    Nice cut and paste job, btw; straight from another forum…. Wow..that just oozes credibility….. next time use some “data” from Playstation.com….  I’m wondering if these numbers are in a perfect world. It’s k ind of like you guys hyping the 3 teraflops of “the cell”, when no gaming application actually hits this number.

    What’s even more questionable is; Is the $600 launch price of the ps3, attributed directly to Bluray, worth the read speeds when noone can tell which is faster in real-world performance? Where is the proven benefit to gaming? I guess we’ll just have to take your word for it.

    Seems like a huge waste of money. Congrats on your read speeds, tho. It’s one more thing you ps3 fanboys can get excited about. I guess at this point you’ll take any reason to get excited for the ps3 when such little exists to truly get excited over.

  120. JofaMang:

    Sour Grapes make for awful whine.

  121. SW:

    I’m not sure why Jofa but you just made my day a little more bright.

    ‘…Mondays …yuck…. ‘

    One thing we can all agree on…

  122. kev:

    jofa – nothing to be sour about. the 360 has more sales, more games, more gamers, better online, and better multiplats. from where i’m sitting the only ones sour are those backing the ps3 and trying to create good news by any means necessary…

    congrats on your read speed. let me know when consumers start caring… :)

  123. Roca.:

    Kev: “nothing to be sour about. the 360 has more sales, more games, more gamers, better online, and better multiplats. from where i’m sitting the only ones sour are those backing the ps3 and trying to create good news by any means necessary…”

    ^^^^…………says the guy who was arguing to death not too long ago that MSG Rising was using the same engine as MGS4. good luck trying to convince anybody with that

  124. phranctoast:

    “Sour Grapes make for awful whine.”
    LMAO

    @kev
    geeze.

    I was simply asking a question. It is painfully obvious that you will not be able to answer it.

  125. phranctoast:

    [kev]but at least there’s more games on the 360….
    He shoots he scores……the crowd goes wild!!!!!!![/kev]

  126. CON:

    I’ll not be buying the new mgs game. Not a big fan of the series always hated the controls

  127. JofaMang:

    Thank you CON, I have always been afraid to admit that I never really could get comfortable with the controls in the modern MGS games, since the PS crowd would probably lynch me for not being a diehard fan of it, heh.

  128. Roca.:

    The MGS control is a know issue, i actually skipped MSG2 and MGS3 for the PS2 for the same reason…. but MGS4 gameplay is smooth with no awkward feeling when moving around

  129. phranctoast:

    yeah.. they got it right with mgs4. The other ones made it seem like you were fighting with the controls. Kind of like a re4 or 5 feel if you know what i mean. can walk and shoot damnit.

  130. Roca.:

    @ phranctoast

    do you have CoD WaW?

  131. phranctoast:

    I borrowed it from a friend. I still need to beat the SP portion.

  132. Roca.:

    do you play nazi zombies?

  133. phranctoast:

    You need to beat the SP to unlock that if I’m not mistaken.

  134. Roca.:

    not anymore, they unlocked it via a patch

  135. phranctoast:

    No shit. I’ll have to check that out.

  136. SW:

    Making zombie maps was cool :D

  137. Ivan_PSP:

    no is lame

  138. phranctoast:

    playing Ghostbusters now. Other than getting killed fairly cheaply every now and then the game is pretty good.

  139. Ivan_PSP:

    I hated the demo.

  140. phranctoast:

    I’m on the demo level now.

  141. Ivan_PSP:

    I sucked at it plus the game was kind of boring tome.

  142. Roca.:

    Ivan you have to understand that just because you dont like a game doesnt mean the game suck. I fucking hated Assassin’s Creed but alot of ppl I know enjoyed it and for them its one of their best games

  143. Roca.:

    @ Ivan

    I also know you like Haze alot, if you ask me I think that game is garbage. lol

  144. phranctoast:

    The Nostalgia is worth the price of admission.

  145. JofaMang:

    I have Ghostbusters on my PC. I have thoroughly enjoyed the game, though haven’t gotten around to finishing it. I grew up with the movies, so I am with phranc on this one.

  146. Ivan_PSP:

    I only like Haze Co-Cop 2 play with friends offline not so much cuzz the story suck.

  147. phranctoast:

    I’m really enjoying the story. The way they tie it into the original story is clever

  148. JofaMang:

    Yup, it is a great experience for anyone who plays games and grew up with the original movies. My wife has never played it, but insisted that I hook the PC up to the TV she could watch me play it, since it was like a movie to her, heh.

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