Where now for Nintendo – Wii price cut to counter PS3, Xbox 360 cuts?
The Wii has done phenomenally well since it was released, grabbing a huge market share and leading the PS3 and Xbox 360 consistently since the three have been on sale together. But things are starting to slow down in the Nintendo camp, and the price cuts for both the PS3 and Xbox 360 and slimline redesign of the PS3 mean it has to act, and fast. So, where to now for the Wii?
Nintendo hit big with the Wii, which alongside the DS has meant for a very successful, ultra-profitable generation this time around. The Wii is currently sitting pretty at the top of the console sales charts, and sales are still impressive enough. However, they aren’t anywhere near impressive as they were this time last year and Nintendo needs to do something about that or risk the Wii tailing off before its time is up.
The NPD sales figures for August show that the Wii is still the bestselling home games console and actually improved on previous month’s sales by a fraction. But sales of the PS3 and Xbox 360 were also up and the whole thing is looking a lot closer than it has been for a couple of years. And not just in the States either, with the suggestion that the bubble is beginning to burst in all the major territories.
Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter stated in an industry note which direction he thinks it’s going to go in as we approach the important holiday season. He said:
The late August price cut for the PS3 clearly drove a pick-up in demand, with that console’s sales up 73 percent sequentially, and we expect another 50 – 100 percent sales growth in September.
Until the late August PS3 price cut, the Xbox 360 appealed to consumers, likely due to a higher perceived value proposition (the Xbox 360 ‘core’ model was priced $100 lower than the PS3). With the core PS3 and Xbox 360 models priced only $50 higher than the Wii, we expect year-over-year sales of Wii hardware to continue their annual declines until the company either changes its bundle or lowers price.
Wii unit sales are 50 percent below last year’s level over the last five months, and we think that September sales will repeat the pattern.
Basically, sales of the PS3 and Xbox 360 are going to continue to climb, especially the PS3, while the Wii is starting to fester. And it’s a festering that looks set to continue or even get worse if Nintendo doesn’t act to stop the rot.
Nintendo could of course cut the price of the Wii. That would be the obvious first move to make and would counter the moves Sony and Microsoft have both made in recent months. But I personally don’t think it would have that much effect on sales. The PS3 and Xbox 360 are selling better after price cuts because they were formerly well above hitting the sweet spot for price. Whereas the Wii has spent its whole life in that sweet spot.
If few people would be persuaded to buy a Wii at a lower price, what options does Nintendo have left? A new bundle, possibly with an appealing gem such as Wii Fit thrown in, could reinvigorate sales. Otherwise I can only imagine a more definite change of direction would be needed. And that would have to be the Wii 2 or Wii HD that has long been rumored.
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September 12th, 2009
I don’t know why Nintendo would want to copy Sony and Microsoft and release a HD Wii. Why just join the crowd when they’ve been so successful doing their own thing?
September 12th, 2009
The PLAYSTATION 3 is definitely going up in sales every where. The Wii is crap and i bet the will never be a Wii HD or Xbox 720 made up rumors.
freewebs.com/ivan_network/FWThumbnails/IvanPlayStation4LiFe.html
September 12th, 2009
The Wii is crap, but I don’t think Nintendo gives a fuck.
Once the Wii hits $199, it’ll be booming again.
September 12th, 2009
lock_down:
Nintendo already decided not to lower the Wii price.
September 12th, 2009
The only big problem I can see if that the strippers at Nintendo HQ are a year older. Once they hit 19 you’ve gotta get rid of those milfs.
Does cocaine go ‘off’… Mr. Miyamoto?
September 12th, 2009
SW:
What? LoL Yo you got a PSN ID? My PSN ID: Ivan-
Copy & Paste the links below and enjoy facts.
Xbox 360 leader veering toward PS3??
youtube.com/watch?v=JjetgmZl44s&feature=channel_page
youtube.com/profile?user=SolidRev28&view=videos
September 12th, 2009
Cocaine’s a hellava drug man.
September 12th, 2009
Barnabe Jones:
Who’s using that shit?
September 12th, 2009
Hardware Sales, 05th Sep 2009
USA Japan Europe Worldwide
PS3 144,166 151,955 254,135 550,256
DS 119,998 67,939 170,893 358,830
Wii 70,305 19,628 92,037 181,970
Xbox 87,627 5,505 69,064 162,196
PSP 36,192 22,551 54,460 113,203
September 12th, 2009
lol it’s a quote from the Dave Chappelle show.
.youtube.com/watch?v=I7fOAiTcDYk&NR=1
September 12th, 2009
“Basically, sales of the PS3 and Xbox 360 are going to continue to climb, especially the PS3,”
i think it’s waaaay to early to make this prediction, Dave…
remember, you guys made the same predictions when MGS4 launched…. didn’t happen…
then again, when Killzone 2 launched…. didn’t happen…
and again, when LBP launched….didn’t happen..
a sales spike does not a trend make…
September 12th, 2009
Why, you scared Kev ??
Sounds pretty insecure to me !!
Sales, schmales … who Fking cares
September 12th, 2009
Just saw this elsewhere:
“Left 4 Dead’s latest DLC, dubbed “Crash Course” is available for free to PC players, while it costs the Xbox 360 players 560 Microsoft points”
This is one reason why I get cranky at MS. If you want anything from MS, you gotta pay for it, even if it’s not their content. I like my 360, but get shitty about continually having to shell over money to them when it’s free elsewhere.
Rant over
September 12th, 2009
Spideydog:
Yes kev sounds very scared and insecure we all know why. And i care. I gave up on buying Xbox 360 crap. I got 120GB and Blutooth headset Play & Charge Kit and the Keypad. For PS3 i also got 2 Blutooth headset from Warhawk and SOCOM headset. And i got the keypad too. and 500gb and 320gb plus 60gb and 80gb.
kev:
Give it up already go research Halo 3: OSDT your new little Halo game/expansion pack.
I hate that so damn much Left4Dead. Microsoft is basically stealing from everything to pay off the losses from e74 rrod disc scratching and who knows what else. Maybe piracy lol.
Half a million in less then a week wow.
September 12th, 2009
new feature announced for Uncharted 2,
“In-game Twitter support in Uncharted 2″
cool now the 360 owner will know what they wont be playing through their twitter service
September 13th, 2009
Roca.:
The worst service before MySpace and Facebook. I’ll pass on using that garbage. I’m a Youtube man. They should had incorporated the PlayStation Underground section of UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves.I hope they build a party system like Resistance 2 has.
September 13th, 2009
@ IVan,
“I’m a Youtube man.”
I would have pegged you as a Tubesteak man.
September 13th, 2009
It still amazes me how well the wii has done. I thought ninety were gonna end up like sega after the last gen.
It’s def more of a social console when you have friends around
September 13th, 2009
I see Mike’s back to his old tactics of flaming again with his “inferior” titles lol
Fucking joke
September 13th, 2009
CON:
You still bitching about that LoL wow.
September 13th, 2009
Ivan if you’re gonna keep posting links you may as well look at this old school gears one.
Something I’d get a lot of pleasure out of doing to you, pity you don’t actually have an xbox…
youtube.com/watch?v=coVO0FviqUs
September 13th, 2009
CON:
I’ll pass
September 14th, 2009
Spideydog,
At least the L4D DLC is available on a console (not PS3). If gamers really cared that much, they would just get the PC version.
September 14th, 2009
carlB:
Everyone is getting the PC version free like always.
September 14th, 2009
CarlB: “Spideydog,
At least the L4D DLC is available on a console (not PS3). If gamers really cared that much, they would just get the PC version.”
Thats a cop out Carl. The point of the fact is, MS is charging for free content. Period. It’s got nothing to do with it not being on ps3, as you seem very eager, across threads to point out??
September 14th, 2009
carlB:
We don’t need nor we want mediocre games like that. And most people will again buy the PC version or steal it like the Xbox version will be.
September 14th, 2009
carlB:
We don’t need nor we want mediocre games like that. And most people will again buy the PC version or steal it like the Xbox version will be.
September 14th, 2009
“Thats a cop out Carl. The point of the fact is, MS is charging for free content. Period. It’s got nothing to do with it not being on ps3, as you seem very eager, across threads to point out??”
I agree with Spidey. paying for free content is not acceptable, specially being from one the richest company in the world
September 14th, 2009
The point is people will pay for it if it is quality and they don’t have the ability to play it on another console/platform (PS3/PC). It is cheaper for them to shell out $6 than the hundreds it would take to get a decent gaming computer.
September 14th, 2009
And Spideydog, it has a great deal to do with it not being on PS3. The reason I bring it up about not being on PS3 is not to claim 360′s superiority (even though it is a great game not on PS3), but rather to state that it not being a full multiplat is a factor. If it was, then we would see the real difference between how Sony and Microsoft (home consoles, not pc, which is a different beast) deal with it, anything else is pure mentalism. Besides this, it does cost money to distribute the content itself, and neither Sony or Microsoft is in a position to just give moneymakers like this away and pay for it at the same time.
September 14th, 2009
Nintendo games´ may be/look childish, but their marketing and bussiness strategies are not. I do not have any bussiness credentials, but if I were them I would have prepared for this moment since mid 2007. No one knew how long would Wii´s bubble last and it would be silly to think they haven´t foresaw this and prepared accordingly.
Sony and MS are giants: hungry, powerful, relentless and (worst of all) intelligent. So Nintendo NEED to act accordingly, keeping a distance and showing the due respect.
Going HD is NOT “keeping a distance”, it´s more like a small boxer trying to get into the inner zone of a towering yudoka and a huge greco-roman wrestler. You can (should) addapt but you must never play your rival´s game: you must play your own.
September 14th, 2009
Left 4 Dead screams dated quality. The only game Valve that was at least worth playing was Half-Life 2.
September 14th, 2009
“And Spideydog, it has a great deal to do with it not being on PS3. The reason I bring it up about not being on PS3 is not to claim 360’s superiority (even though it is a great game not on PS3), but rather to state that it not being a full multiplat is a factor. If it was, then we would see the real difference between how Sony and Microsoft (home consoles, not pc, which is a different beast) deal with it, anything else is pure mentalism. Besides this, it does cost money to distribute the content itself, and neither Sony or Microsoft is in a position to just give moneymakers like this away and pay for it at the same time.”
I pointed out before how Epic has released all their DLC for UT3 for free on the PS3.
If Valve was in the same situation as Epic was and wanted to give their stuff away, The treatment Epic got may very well have also come to Valve.
The end result…. MS wouldn’t charge for the content too.
proof of this is that there is a lot of free Burnout Paradise content, that was free for both.
Lets face it. If that content was only on the 360 the fans would get charged.
September 14th, 2009
supply and demand.
September 14th, 2009
Oh please……Sony would easily have tried their hand at selling it.
They’re just bitter that it outsold their so called console seller killzone 2
September 14th, 2009
idk why you guys keep defending M$ for charging you for suff that are supposed to be Free (ex, Online play, DLC, wallpapers)
September 14th, 2009
Why do you keep crying about a game that isn’t even on ur console. Is it because it has smashed killzone 2 in sales???? Me think so.
I would expect this to be free on the next copy of the game down the line just like COD maps. (which sony charged for but were free for PC)
At the end of the day it’s the consumers choice.
September 14th, 2009
I owned L4D but my 360 scratched the shit out of it. Most ps3 owner also have a 360. Sales does not make a better then other, KZ2 got better review the shitty looking l4d
September 14th, 2009
“I owned L4D but my 360 scratched the shit out of it”
Lies…………..so pathetic you have to stoop to that level.
SALES SALES SALES…….It’s the life blood of consoles I’m afraid. Looks like valve kicked sony’s ass on this one.
September 14th, 2009
My 360 actually shattered my L4D and then the internal speaker muttered ‘Please buy again’.
Nah I’m just kidding, I wouldn’t buy an FPS for a console! Thats just insane!***
*** Cough Thats not exclusive, timed or otherwise ***
September 14th, 2009
CON:
Enjoy this ass much i did.
The European Commission’s June 2007 investigation of disc scratches
On June 1, 2007, European Commissioner for Consumer Protection Meglena Kuneva, after talking with the producers of “Kassa” and other Dutch consumer organizations, announced that the European Commission would investigate the Xbox scratching problems, and would ask Microsoft for an Xbox replacement program for the whole of Europe. She expected Microsoft’s answer within a week. Informal sources now say that Microsoft’s response was to deny the problem exists, stating that “the users are to blame”. But Kuneva did not react to that response, and 18 months later (4th quarter 2008) the EC’s (Meglena Kuneva’s) news site was still silent about Microsoft’s response, or about the result of the “investigation”.
Lawsuit
A man who claims Microsoft Corp.’s Xbox 360 scratches game discs has sued the company, saying the consoles are “negligently designed and manufactured.” In the lawsuit filed on July 9, 2007, in a Florida federal court, Jorge Brouwer says Microsoft has received thousands of complaints but has not replaced all scratched discs. The lawsuit seeks class-action status.
Three law firms in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Los Angeles, California, and Seattle, Washington are investigating consumer complaints regarding the Xbox 360. The law firms have filed lawsuits in the United States District Court Western District of Washington at Seattle on behalf of a proposed nationwide class of customers who have suffered scratched game discs while using their Xbox 360. The lawsuit seeks class certification and reimbursement for customers for the cost of games damaged by the console; reimbursement for customers who have paid a $20 fee to Microsoft Corporation under a limited disc replacement program offered on ten Microsoft games; repair of consoles free of charge to prevent further disc scratching; and/or reimbursement for customers who have paid for an aftermarket repair solution.
BBC Watchdog Investigation of Xbox 360 disc scratches (2009)
On March 23, 2009, the BBC’s consumer interest programme Watchdog performed an investigation into how the console scratches its own discs, after Microsoft found no issues with multiple reportedly defective consoles. A sealed test, protected from any outside interference beyond accessing games, found no problems with either console. However, a further test which attempted to simulate normal household vibrations produced a disc scratch on the previously problematic console.
Currently, Microsoft still maintains that it is the user’s fault when discs are damaged, because it “makes clear with multiple warnings not to move the console with the disc inside.” It also maintains that only a minority of customers are affected by this issue. However, the company did not comment on the lab tests.
September 14th, 2009
@Con
“Oh please……Sony would easily have tried their hand at selling it. ”
ummm… just like Sony tried selling Epics content….. oh wait they didn’t.
The thing that I seem to notice is, that if a developer voices an opinion that they would prefer not to sell their content, Sony seems to allow that. Take it whatever way you want.
At no point am I saying Sony doesn’t try and sell us stuff. Simply that they seem to fold under the developer pressure
Epic is the perfect example as they came out and said that they would have preferred to give away the gears content.
September 14th, 2009
haha. Your tje one paying for free content
September 14th, 2009
@roca
Like I said sony charged for call of duty maps when they were free for PC. As long as they’re cheap and the content is worth it I’m okay. PC games are always different, the games are always cheaper too for that matter.
I’m just happy I get to play this great game on my console so rubbish it all you want because it just sounds like sour grapes and jealousy that you don’t have it and that it destroyed killzone in sales.
Nuff said………face palm
September 14th, 2009
@Ivan
Regardless of that, Roca/you is still a bullshitter lol
September 14th, 2009
‘face palm’
Face palms don’t count unless you also post the Ascii Captain Picard in the same post….
September 14th, 2009
Double clicky finger, wavey hand face palm bitch!!!
September 14th, 2009
CON:
Get a life then come back.
September 15th, 2009
“KZ2 got better review the shitty looking l4d”
By a whole 2 points on Metacritic. Wow. L4D is still not available on PS3. Which one do gamers prefer more? L4D as evidenced by sales. BTW KZ2 is next up on my list to play after MGS4, the fan service movie that you can also play as a videogame in short spurts.
September 15th, 2009
CarlB:
Was your problem with PS3. And why did you even buy one,? if you obviously hate it with all your guts. I’m glad Killzone 2 is next on your list so you can see how great the game is the story won’t be epic but if you liked Left 4 Dead anything is possible. The graphics will blow you away the control scheme is a little similar to the one in Call of Duty. Also Killzone 2 has a ton a replay value i got over 5000 kills online already and everything else too but it took me a while i got all the map packs also. Also it has 2 similar things with Gears of Wars you will notice when you play online and get the last map pack. Killzone 2 is worth every penny.
September 15th, 2009
Ey!, you leave MGS4 alone ya hear!
But seriously, I severely hope you’re not buying games based on Ivan’s ratings….
September 15th, 2009
Ivan why so bitter these days???
September 15th, 2009
CON:
Bitter LMAFO athat’s an Xbots thing now mine. Why should i be bitter there’s no reason to do that.
SW:
What ever I’m never wrong anyways, but i know is your money. So you don’t need to buy a game by expertise on ratings.
I’m very happy with my ratings since is always on par with every reviews games get.
September 15th, 2009
“Was your problem with PS3. And why did you even buy one,?”
Sorry, Ivan, I guess you didn’t get the memo, I thought Uncharted was great, and I’m really looking forward to Uncharted 2, God of War Collection, and God of War 3… everything else pretty much pales in comparison.
September 15th, 2009
CarlB:
I’m glad you said that. Ijust got the memo LoL.
September 15th, 2009
CarlB: “I’m really looking forward to Uncharted 2, God of War Collection, and God of War 3… everything else pretty much pales in comparison.”
I agree with CarlB! (but GT5 is a big one for me! but not everybody is a racing fan),
September 15th, 2009
I’m a UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves addict when Naughty Dog announce that they were going to be adding Co-Op and Competitive online play i was sold faster. I love online gaming and i play the beta i love it it was fantastic pure fun i like how you get level and money.
September 15th, 2009
How does Killzone 2 work on your PC CON?
just wondering…..
Sales seem to matter to you but in the end you miss some great titles, while most of the so called “360 exclusives” find their way to the PC.
I’m actually surprised at the success of L4D, given how little substance is actually in the game.
L4D console exclusivity is ticking down, and valve has been looking for ps3 programmers for a while now.
September 15th, 2009
I have to admit being lured into the L4D world.
Valve were running some crazy %50+ off sale one weekend a while back and I purchased!
I was left kinda dissapointed tho. Didn’t really play it that much after purchase
September 15th, 2009
phranctoast:
Correct.
Valve has being looking for some real developers to make PS3 games. I hope Gabe doesn’t eat them alive. PS3 has a lot of amazing games anyone that misses any of them is just a pure FANBOY or just a ignorant idiot. And yes Xbox 360 has basically no exclusive since they all on PC.
Sony is all about gaming. They have more game developer than Microsoft and Nintendo combine.
September 15th, 2009
@phranctoast:
If killzone is so good they has it sold so badly on the ps3??
Gears of War 2 beat it hands down. And I love the PC argument too lol at the end of the day it’s not on the ps3. Gears was a system seller unlike the overhyped killzone with it’s awful sales
September 15th, 2009
CON:
With more of his myth and BS.
September 15th, 2009
Oh oh!!!
This is fucking incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!
Killzones terrible sales are now a MYTH and not FACT
Is that what you’re telling us IVAN/ROCA??
September 16th, 2009
CON:
Your cost is far over give it up already. You fighting a losing battle. Killzone 2 has sold very well is now a GREATEST HITS.
September 16th, 2009
Greatest hit LOL
It’s barely scraped 1.5 million sales!!!!!!
September 16th, 2009
CON:
You so stupid you don’t even know what GREATEST HITS are. Killzone has sold over 1.87 million copies already.
Do some research before writing your useless lies. You just making shit up wow how pathetic.
Sony have since launched their budget range of PlayStation 3 titles, known as the Greatest Hits range in North America, the Platinum range in Europe and The Best range in Japan.
September 16th, 2009
CON: “Greatest hit LOL
It’s barely scraped 1.5 million sales!!!!!!”
@ CON
what an idiot! I hate when ppl talk shit without having any idea of what they are talking about.
-so what is your definition of “Greates Hits”?????
-When Sony introduced the program for PlayStation in 1997, games could become Greatest Hits titles after selling at least 150,000 copies and being on the market for at least a year. Minimum sales required eventually rose to 250,000.
-When the program came to PlayStation 2 in 2002, games could become Greatest Hits titles after selling at least 400,000 copies and being on the market for at least 9 months.
-A PlayStation Portable title must be on the market for at least 9 months and have sold 250,000 copies or more.
-A PlayStation 3 game must be on the market for 10 months and sell at least 500,000 copies to meet the Greatest Hits criteria
Though Sony-published games are virtually guaranteed to eventually be Greatest Hits titles after they meet their sales and age marks, other companies are not required to release their titles on the Greatest Hits label even if they meet the criteria. In addition, Sony also allows other publishers some flexibility in the pricing of their own Greatest Hits titles, though most companies stick to the agreed-upon suggested retail price. Games that are multi-million sellers may become Greatest Hits titles much later than 9 months to maximize profits. It is also a common practice for a game to re-release on the Greatest Hits label at a close proximity to the release of that game’s sequel or follow-up.
did you learned something today CON???
September 16th, 2009
I’m still wondering how sales affect CON…….at all.
I’m also still wondering how a games thats sold very close to 2 million copies in considered “terrible”
Games with less sales. Since it’s so important to you CON.
Halo Wars
Dead Rising
Lost Planet
Too Human
Crackdown
Viva Pinata
September 16th, 2009
CON is a moron it he likes to brag about things he obviously knows nothing about just making lies.
September 16th, 2009
@Phranctoast
Excuse me but what relevance does that list have?????
Sony came out and publically stated that Killzone 2 would be a “Halo beater”. It’s barely sold 10% of Halo’s sales.
@Roca
It’s laughable that these things go way over your head and you have to explain what the greatest hits system is. I was being ironic because of the name…it’s far from being a greatest hit
September 16th, 2009
its an instant classic unlike halo 3
Halo 1 was an instant classic also, Halo 3 eeehhhm not so much.
–you were making fun of KZ2 because Ivan said its goign to become a greatest hits, you knew what Ivan was talking about so why were you being Ironic about the game being “GH”and then posting sales number like they are related.
Ico was an Instant Classic, did not sold much though, there are many original xbox games that did not sell well but you can still consider them as instant classic. so is Legend of Dragoon (PS1), Chrono Trigger (SNES) and more.
like Phrac said:
“I’m still wondering how sales affect CON…….at all.”
September 16th, 2009
Roca I just explained you moron lol the sales numbers ARE the fucking irony
September 16th, 2009
Was it really that difficult to understand? seriously?
You’ve said Killzone 2 had terrible sales.
killzone 2 has almost 2 million sales.
The other games don’t have that many sales.
In your own words then, those games also sold terrible by proxy.
“They’re just bitter that it outsold their so called console seller killzone 2″
you also brought up Killzone 2 first with a slap at its sales so I’m only throwing your own login in your face.
“Sony came out and publically stated that Killzone 2 would be a “Halo beaterâ€. It’s barely sold 10% of Halo’s sales.”
No they didn’t. Media did..fanboys did. Sony didn’t.
September 16th, 2009
10 Million for Halo 3, 2 Million for KZ2
is that really 10% CON, or was that just another Irony comment of yours
September 16th, 2009
give me the link where Killzone has sold 2 million roca…….I dare you. Lol
Phrac sony did. I remem being in game shop and a sony rep trying to sell me a ps3 specifically said those words! Don’t try and change history
September 16th, 2009
give the link where it states KZ2 is 10% of Halo 3
“Phrac sony did. I remem being in game shop and a sony rep trying to sell me a ps3 specifically said those words! Don’t try and change history”
thats just a guy talking crap (just like you do all the time), when you see an “Ad”, comercial, boxart, poster from Sony stating it then you can talk
September 16th, 2009
@Roca
He probably means the whole Halo Franchise together…..
which I guess is fair to compare Killzone 2′s sales to…….*rolls eyes*
@CON
“give me the link where Killzone has sold 2 million roca…….I dare you. Lol”
2 million was a round off. 1.87 from a cached page.. It may be more now. It certainly will be over 2 million come Xmas time.
You definitely need to work on your math. Halo3 in your eyes has sold close to 19 million.
LMAO.. I’m not going to try and defend something CON heard from “some guy in Game shop”…. It was a good try though CON!!!
September 16th, 2009
He was a fucking sony rep! He introduced himself as a sony rep. He wasn’t a member of the game shops staff. Last day I was in there were wii promotions with nintendo staff.
Give it up!
As for the 10% I said “barely although I’m willing to go to about 16%. Still pathetic that you are reduced to arguing over these terrible sales figures LOL
September 16th, 2009
CON:
Please make my #1 Christmas wish come true take a .50 caliber rifle and press the trigger you won’t feel any pain trust me. Your head will just explode like a mine.
My #2 Christmas wish to buy this
engadget.com/2009/09/16/250gb-playstation-3-slim-uncharted-2-bundle-leaked/
September 16th, 2009
Like this?
youtube.com/watch?v=coVO0FviqUs