Sony fights BBC Watchdog PS3 ‘Yellow Light Of Death’ claims
The Xbox 360’s Red Ring of Death was a serious and much talked-about hardware issue that has affected millions of machines worldwide. It was an issue that Microsoft had to deal with and it did just that, despite it costing the company up to $1 billion. Has the PS3 got a similar common hardware issue that can be classified as the ‘Yellow Light of Death?’ The BBC claims so, and Sony isn’t happy.
Last week saw the BBC’s flagship consumer show Watchdog go to town on the Playstation 3. After receiving a couple of hundred complaints about the machine breaking, Watchdog dedicated almost half a show to investigating the issue. The problem was the show, fronted by a botox-encrusted Anne Robinson, made some pretty wild accusations. Sony is now fighting back and denying there is a serious problem.
The report is filled with inaccuracies. First up is the oft repeated price tag of £400. That was indeed the price at launch but it promptly came down to £300 and is now £250. Which means every mention of it in the report is essentially a big fat lie.
Sony offers a 12-month guarantee on all consoles, which is the same period of warranty offered by almost all manufacturers of almost all electrical goods. Because, and this may surprise you to know, things go wrong. In fact, around 1 percent of electrical goods fail. Sony claims the failure rate for the PS3 is around half of one percent. Compare this to the failure rate of between 30 and 50 percent of all Xbox 360s and the two issues cannot be compared.
As for back-ups of game data, saves, photos and movies etc., since when is it the manufacturer’s responsibility to make sure these are backed up? How many PC manufacturers are going to even give you the time of day if your system crashes after the warranty has run out and you ask them to compensate you for the lost data? It’s your responsibility so get over it.
Sony has responded to the piece by saying, “It is unfair to suggest that from an installed base of 2.5 million that the numbers [Watchdog] mentions somehow are evidence of a ‘manufacturing defect.’” Which is correct because even though the figures suggest around 12,500 consoles have gone wrong in the U.K., that’s a figure to be expected with any electrical item.
I’m not completely backing Sony here. Its decision to charge £128 for a repair or refurbished PS3 is excessive. But this report from Watchdog is unfair and unprofessional and actually shows a lack of understanding of the hardware. It also fails to inform consumers of any really useful information such as which models are affected. So, a big fail all round from the Watchdog team.
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September 22nd, 2009
*testing*
September 22nd, 2009
gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-tackles-bbc-over-ps3-failure-report
good link.
Shows Ian Lee as a presenter. and The “technical experts” called in to repair the PS3s in front of the Sony UK offices were actually independent repair shop owners, who had all the interest in the world to blast the PS3 service repairs (they were saying that they could repair it for 108 pounds against 128 service charge for Sony).
Result: The BBC admitted tonight retro actively after the stunt that 3 or 4 of the “repaired” consoles were dead again.
September 22nd, 2009
^^Sorry I couldnt post anything for like an hr!
That show was a joke, pure BS. They could have done a better job convicing ppl if they would have showed actual stats, numbers, percentages, PS3 model, etc. but they failed horrobly. and they had a M$ fanboy in there, what kind of shit is that? one of the best comedy of the year for sure
September 22nd, 2009
Hot Rumors:
-Sega planning to have Dreamcast game on the PSN
-Sega to announce a Valkyria Chronicles PSP bundle
-PS3 Bundle spotted: ACII, NFS: Shift, U2, GT5 (all 250GB)
-PS2 games on the PSN
-Yakuza 3 to US, Yakuza 4 to be announced at TGS
-2 new IP’s to be announced by Sony at TGS
source: destructoid, kotaku
September 22nd, 2009
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!
Seems sony’s wondertub is not quite the unbreakable beast that so many make it out to be. As per usual though it all comes down to jealousy. Xbox have the red ring of death so sony have to have the yellow light of death. Tit for tat.
And why is it such a problem that the BBC mention that the ps4th costs £400? So its only a very affordable £250 now but to many people who bought it early on, IT IS a £400 console. If I had stupidly bought one for £400 and its only £100 now I would still feel diddle of £400 pounds if it went belly up. Not £100.
I agree with the back up though. Why should any company be liable for your save data. One good thing about still buying good old fashion disc based games though. I would be very pissed if I had filled by 5000000 TB had disc with loads of games and movies just to do it all again.
September 22nd, 2009
Dave, you are doing the very thing you are complaining about in the article: “Sony claims the failure rate for the PS3 is around half of one percent. Compare this to the failure rate of between 30 and 50 percent of all Xbox 360s and the two issues cannot be compared”
So that would be a manufacturer’s biased claim compared to extreme anecdotal evidence. The very same faux-pas the BBC have made.
With regards to the problems with losing data, do you have to send the HDD back with the PS3 if you have a warranty issue? If not, all Sony have to do is tell people to remove it before sending it back.
Regarding repairs outside the 12month warranty – that is where the rather woolly wording of the Sale of Goods Act here in the UK comes into play. In theory you should be able to get a free repair outside of this period if you can show that it was a problem with the unit, meaning it does not show sufficient durability. this article by the guardian gives some good advice: http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2006/mar/25/consumernews.howtocomplain
September 22nd, 2009
Finally you can post again i was here right after this post was posted but couldn’t post shit.
This a huge lie i have a 60GB since January 21, 2007 never had any problems plus my PS3 is place in a hot area. Also i got a 80gb from on January 2009 working perfectly never had any problems. Sony’s gonna buried BBC Watchdog for their incorrectly and lying problems.
Sony Slams BBC for Critical PS3 Reporting
shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=80815
BBC’s Watchdog accused of making PS3 users embellish their YLoD stories
gamezine.co.uk/news/formats/playstation3/bbc-s-watchdog-accused-making-ps3-users-embellish-their-ylod-stories-$1328300.htm
SEGA leaks Sony’s plans for PS2 and Dreamcast emulation on PS3
gamezine.co.uk/news/formats/playstation3/sega-leaks-sony-s-plans-ps2-and-dreamcast-emulation-on-ps3-$1328865.htm
September 22nd, 2009
I love the PRAT’s in the clip (Playstation Repair Action Team). Someone at the BBC has a sense of humour.
September 22nd, 2009
And the song is pretty catchy too.
September 22nd, 2009
haha, they were having a ball during the whole show
September 22nd, 2009
Ivan – “Finally you can post again i was here right after this post was posted but couldn’t post shit”
Well normal service has been resumed Ivan. You can post all the shit you usually do.
September 22nd, 2009
Dreamcast games on the PSN will be awesome (with PSP support), Sega will also benefit from, profit will be better than most of their current gen tittles, specially in Japan those Dreamcast games will sale like hotcakes*
September 22nd, 2009
Andrew_DoubleShit with more shit on the tongue
September 22nd, 2009
oldschool wats ur PSN id?
September 22nd, 2009
Sony will regret linking up with the BBC’s iplayer service because now that sony is under the wing of the BBC they will show no time for companies that bullshit.
Every single person in the UK has to pay around £140 to fund the BBC every year so it is no surprise that they have picked up on this.
September 22nd, 2009
I don’t see why it was wrong to say the console was £400 because that was the price of the launch consoles. The thing that seems to have pissed people off is the ridiculous £128 repair charge for a problem they claim doesn’t exist!
Sony should just be grateful they didn’t team up with a non commercial company like the BBC when people were complaining about the notorious lens problem on the PS2.
September 22nd, 2009
Roca.:
Yeah i was the first to post it. That PS2 and Dreamcast games are coming to the PSN soon. I got the whole entire leaked document from SEGA. If you want to see it message me i would send you a link to where i uploaded it. I hope they all remastered like the God of War Collection is. This is really awesome news if all games are remastered i will be buying more 200 games.
I got oldschool1987 on my friends list i think with the same name.
oldschool1987:
Good one Andrew_DoubleShit how about Andrew_ DickSucker LMFAO. That what happen to name COPYCAT.
Everyday the PlayStation just gets better and the other get worse LoL. Is that weird.
September 22nd, 2009
Oh Ivan, I don’t even deny the fact that my name is a rip off of yours. I have stated before that your comedy ramblings drew me this this site and I copied your name as homage to you.
Now get away with ya, ya wee scamp.
Hi Oldschool1892. How ya doing me old mate? Grand lad, grand.
September 22nd, 2009
Thank fook I don’t live in the UK anymore, and therfore don’t pay the license fee. Muahahaha.
September 22nd, 2009
SW:
Where do you currently live now?
September 22nd, 2009
CON: Every single person in the UK has to pay around £140 to fund the BBC every year so it is no surprise that they have picked up on this.
SW: “Thank fook I don’t live in the UK anymore, and therfore don’t pay the license fee. Muahahaha.”
WTF…..are those fees mandatory or what? ppl have to pay for a BS service like that?
September 22nd, 2009
“when people were complaining about the notorious lens problem on the PS2″
I was notorious that I never even heard about it? my PS2 is running as smooth as ever till this day
September 22nd, 2009
I’m sure if you do a quick internet search you will see it’s heavily documented.
Yes the license fee is mandatory for everyone with a TV I think. This is why the BBC is a dangerous company due to the fact that it is not commercial. It has to be seen as taking a tough stance against any of its partners who step out of line because most people actually resent having to pay the license.
September 22nd, 2009
‘are those fees mandatory’
As far as I understand it (well, if you own and use a TV with an antenna anywhoos).
September 22nd, 2009
*antenna – including cable, sat. etc.
September 22nd, 2009
roca – actually, you ps3 fanboys simply ignore facts and pretend the ps2 problems didn’t exist.
here’s a reminder:
1. the ps2 had lens problems contributing to the DDE and DRE errors of the ps2.
2. Sony ignored the consumer complaints as they are with the ps3 complaints.
3. sony got sued. the lost. they appealed.
4. sony settled the lawsuit, but not after taking so long that many, many ps2 owners were forced to buy more than one to get one that worked.
5. the sony fanboys closed their eyes, plugged their ears and screamed, “blah, blah, blah…i can’t hear you” in an effort to ignore the lawsuit inducing problems of the ps2.
6. even when confronted with countless links, quotes and articles, you sony fanboys continue to lie.
hope this helps.
if sony takes this stance with the ps3, they are in a world of hurt. the courts will NOT forget as easily as you fanboys.
September 22nd, 2009
Thanks Kev……now I remember (sike)
September 22nd, 2009
#3.
kev is still getting this confused with the Rumble technology.
September 22nd, 2009
whatever was the case back then im pretty sure the PS2 did not go down as the “most unreliable console in gaming history”. The 360 got that honor
September 22nd, 2009
The problem is sonys arrogance to ignore the complaints
September 22nd, 2009
well M$ did the same, they never admited releasing a console with faulty hardware, they never said the real reason the the RRoD, they stop showing the Stats of how many consoles has gone RRoD after the 3-years warranty
September 22nd, 2009
phranc – sorry, but no confusion on my end. just yours.
September 22nd, 2009
Roca: My PSN is oldschool1987 m8
And Andrew_DoubleTripleShit ‘1892′? is that your daily amount you wank over the Wii?
September 22nd, 2009
No sony stated there is no problem Roca
September 22nd, 2009
Sorry to say but ‘Kev’s right about the PS2 problems, i sent mine back to sony 11 times… no exaggeration!
The problem only got sorted when i got my act together and treated myself to the Slim model.
But at least Sony replaced it for FREE every single time!
M$ want to empty my account every time i had a problem! I was stuck in Afghan for most the Warrenty so i only got 2 months play time on the 1st 360. Bought a new 360 and it lasted 2 weeks, Bastards.
Didn’t get it repaired, it’s collecting dust somewhere i can’t remember lol.
September 22nd, 2009
I’m confused as to how you can continually post inaccurate info.
A link would be good. Every other site I’ve searched for the DRE lawsuit info comes back the same. Class action suit that they settled.
Maybe you should change Wiki to say it the way to want it to say….
I still can’t get over the fact that we even bother to argue hardware reliability with these Xbots.
September 22nd, 2009
I wonder how many more ppl will come forward to watchdog with faulty consoles
September 22nd, 2009
just you!
September 22nd, 2009
kev:
You just trying to talk about the PS2 since you know the Xbox 360 is Garbage how low can get i guess there’s no limit.
You Xbots are so pathetic we all know the true LMFAO. Xbox is well worse then trash face it don’t try to hide it by talking about a 10 year old master piece.
Xbots are so scared that Xbox 360 is going to be extinct sooner.
September 22nd, 2009
burning/pirating game is worst imo
September 22nd, 2009
So the BBC isn’t just a news channel, it’s also a government owned industry that controls broadcasting?
September 22nd, 2009
Kind of like the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) and the Canadian Radio Television Commission (CRTC) all rolled into one. Mind you, the CRTC just does whatever the CBC needs, anyhow, so they might as well drop the facade and be like the BBC!
September 22nd, 2009
It’s a relevant point to talk about the ps2 as it had a similar problem that was never addressed.
September 22nd, 2009
My launch PS2 didn’t give me a DRE until it was about 5 years old. The slim i replaced it with is still working in my father-in-laws house, used almost daily. Non of my friends had any problems with their PS2s until they were at least 4-5 years old. My personal experiences with consumer electronics have been pretty close to reported fail rates (except for the 360 which has over 90% fail rate amongst my friends (1 of 13 hasn’t failed and I am not including multiple replacements, just users).
Admittedly, it is anecdotal, but further supports my belief that it is an issue that some people hold on to in defence of their beloved chocolate glass 360 (not counting jasper!).
September 22nd, 2009
Most of you have completely missed the point on this. Sony denied there was a problem with the PS2 as they are doing again with the PS3.
As for those saying they’ve never heard about the ps2 problem….who you trying to kid?? It’s safe to say we were all ps2 owners at one point. If you seriously were never aware of the problem it just points to how young you are in the fact that you’ve probably just started this gen
September 22nd, 2009
For those of you still in denial here’s a simple experiment I did on google.
Results 1 – 10 of about 589,000 for xbox rrod. (0.16 seconds)
Results 1 – 10 of about 25,300,000 for ps2 lens problem. (0.21 seconds)
If you don’t believe me try it your self. So are you seriously trying to say that 25,300,000 xbox fanboys made these sites??? LOL
September 22nd, 2009
Oh. My. God.
We’re using google results as proof.
‘32,200,000 for sw has huge member’
Must be true.
September 22nd, 2009
SW:
CON is gamer.blorge’s news comedian clown.
September 22nd, 2009
Here are some AWESOME(tm) google figures!…
3,380,000 for elephants eat men
3,660,000 for xbox 360 is tree
9,280,000 for red ring of death
648,000 for cheese sandwhiches will take over the world (PHEW!)
448,000 for harry sachz is a woman
2,210,000 for ps3 is expensive
24,400,000 for ps3 is cheap
September 22nd, 2009
There’s still more sites about the lens problem than the rrod
September 22nd, 2009
SW:
Thanks
September 22nd, 2009
Dreamcast (and PS2 games) on the PS3
news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10358559-1.html
Pictures
September 22nd, 2009
Jofa – Thanks I wasn’t aware.
Con,
1. There were more PS2’s sold
2. The PS2 has been on the market longer.
3. A can of compressed air fixes the issue.
September 22nd, 2009
I was simply pointing out that it existed and sony denied it.
September 22nd, 2009
Geeez it’s not like a television / web site / newpaper etc to ever avoid facts to get their point across. These shows are here in Aus too and in any story the furtherest they get to actually using facts is the name of the product. Their sole purpose in life is to outrage the consumer which gets them ratings.
Frankly anyone who actually takes these shows seriously, I have a nice bridge for sale…hardly ever used.
I find it totally amusing that fanboys on both sides of the fence are up in arms over it.
Electronic equipment has a failure just like everything else. I guess I’m very fortunate that my PS2 is coming close to 6 years old and is still going strong, and my 40GB PS3 has never had an issue.
September 22nd, 2009
No your wrong.
From what I gather Watchdog is the BBC’s flagship consumer complaints programme and has quite a lot of punch. So whenever they get involved with an issue, companies usually take heed.
If it was any other show sony would probably have ignored it. Although saying that they probably should have just did that anyway because the BBC are not the type of company to back down over their allegations.
September 22nd, 2009
PS2 owns the world everyone has it i got 6 myself never had any problems. BBC is going to drown in its own word. No one can mess with Sony corp they are the big dog of all things gaming and electronic behemoth.
September 22nd, 2009
If anything if sony keep denying it they will go out of their way prove them wrong.
Not the kind of press they need in the run up to Christmas. If they have any sense they should stop being so arrogant and just let it be.
Although I hope they don’t!
September 22nd, 2009
Microsoft invented the word lie. Sony owns this holiday no doubt any idiot knows that.
September 23rd, 2009
@CON, that’s all very noble mate, but while there is a thing called ratings, and advert revenue and such, controversy will always win over facts.
As for the article in the program, seriously, how could anyone take that seriously? A presenter who had no facial expressions, and a rediculous song. Ohh and lets not forget the Xbox guy who writes on XBox websites. Yep that there is some real credible presentation.
And for the nob who had all his photos there without a backup…you idiot. NOT SONY’S FAULT.
If this is infact a huge problem, and I’m not talking about 1% of all PS3’s sold in Europe or where ever, but in the order of 15 – 20%+, then yes it is a big problem, and hopefully Sony do a M$ and do what they can to fix it.
If I remember correctly MS refused to acknowledge the RRoD, then when the rumbling got louder and louder, then, and only then did they act.
At this stage all I’m seeing is a bunch of people who have faulty consoles in the order of what the failure rate of electronics is, and the BBC have listened to their whiney cries and decided to make a story of it.
September 23rd, 2009
Microsoft was basically force by customers and by law to fix the e74 red ring of death hard drive crashing and disc scratching. And Xbox 1 had power cable problems deadly ones.
September 23rd, 2009
“This a huge lie i have a 60GB since January 21, 2007 never had any problems plus my PS3 is place in a hot area. Also i got a 80gb from on January 2009 working perfectly never had any problems”
Hearye, hearye, Ivan hasn’t had any problems therefore it is forbidden for anybody else to have problems, and if they report said problems, no matter whether they are based on fact or not, they are lying, because Ivan’s experience is the only one that matters and no one else is capable of a different experience. So say we all.
September 23rd, 2009
i think it’s pretty telling that sony even commented on this. they have always had a “we don’t comment on rumors” stance. yet they chose to go public in their response to this.
i think this proves this story has merit.
are the numbers correct? who knows… but the reality is; NO consumer electronic is ever 100% perfect, contrary to what the ps3 fanboys think, say and promise.
September 23rd, 2009
I’d agree with kev if it wasn’t the BBC. If it was some local rag news source, and not something representing all of the UK, kev would be correct.
It looks like they are trying to kill slander attempts at their brand name.
“are the numbers correct? who knows… but the reality is; NO consumer electronic is ever 100% perfect, contrary to what the ps3 fanboys think, say and promise.”
kev putting words in the mouths of all ps3 fanboys. lmao.
September 23rd, 2009
kev has been good at that lately
September 23rd, 2009
tell it to ivan and roca who swear that no ps2 ever had problems, the ps3 hardware problems are a result of a “smear campaign” and how the 360 is the only console they complain about having problems.
poor fanboys…you can’t even keep up with your own lies…lmao..
September 23rd, 2009
I never said that…putting words on ppls mouth again kev?
September 23rd, 2009
Ignorance is bliss so they saying goes. It must be nice to live it such a fantasy world where the 360 isn’t the most flawed system ever and your best resort is to cling to last gen hardware……but alas, he tries and tries to find fault where the hardware failure rate is said to be under 1%.
Whenever I think of that saying, I picture a happy retard with no regard to the problems of the outside world.
Kind of reminds me of someone….lmao
September 23rd, 2009
He puts a lot more than words into other dudes mouths! Ouch…. lmao…. rofl…. ohsnap….
Kev ownage x4, according to his rules!
September 23rd, 2009
roca – “I was notorious that I never even heard about it? my PS2 is running as smooth as ever till this day”
your words…. not mine…
ouch… put THAT in your mouth..lmao…
September 23rd, 2009
phranc – where can i get the official data supporting you 1% claim?
yup..no fanboy here…lmao…
so..where? link please.
September 23rd, 2009
@KEV
“roca – “I was notorious that I never even heard about it? my PS2 is running as smooth as ever till this day”
your words…. not mine…”
that’s my own personal experience you moron!
I never claim the PS2 never had any problems
September 23rd, 2009
roca – riiiight…nice try in changing your story now… too little too late, you little liar, you.. lmao…
keep up the good work…. sony loves you…lol…
i think i’ve proved my point. sony fanboys are notorious liars with their own quotes to prove it.
September 23rd, 2009
whatever you say Kev…… nothing wont change the fact that my PS2 still works.
September 23rd, 2009
You seem more
than willing to except the BBC numbers. Well the numbers quoted within the report Shows <.5%.
September 23rd, 2009
phranc – are YOU willing to accept the BBC report then, since you’re using their numbers?
btw; that’s only the complaints, in one country.
1. not everyone files a complaint
2. there are many more countries to count.
so are you?
really funny considering you stated this in the other thread about this story:
“I wonder how much MS is paying to try and smear the PS brand name?”
first you claim it’s a smear job, then you claim the data is reliable….. so which is it?
September 23rd, 2009
phranc – then in THIS thread, you said this, “It looks like they are trying to kill slander attempts at their brand name.”
so it’s slander and not reliable?
geez, pick a side and stick with it…. lmao…
September 23rd, 2009
“btw; that’s only the complaints, in one country.
1. not everyone files a complaint
2. there are many more countries to count.”
so are the 35%-50% RRoD claims….should be higher if everybody files a complaint huh??
September 23rd, 2009
Roca – those 35%-50% numbers come from an uncontrolled “survey” that has no basis. This is what i’ve been trying to tell you. it’s pure myth, yet you guys keep hyping it as fact….
geez….
September 23rd, 2009
wrong again…just the 50% came from a survey. what makes BBC claims more creditable than the survey? BBC did not any actual data to show
September 23rd, 2009
Don’t bother with Kev, Roca, the sad sad boy just makes up his own reality to back his pitiful attempts at any sort of real debate.
September 23rd, 2009
By the BBC numbers reported on the percentage is <.5% of the population of the UK, which is where the survey took place. This falls well under the percentage for acceptable hardware, and is not deserving of a special broadcast slandering the playstation brand name. Now do you get it? You amaze me as to how you can actually be this simple.
Do you feel that if the 360 had a failure rate of <.5% that it would deserve a special feature on a popular show making it look really bad.
oh btw.. I’m still waiting on that apology for calling me a liar. Ian Lee was there despite you putting your fingers in your ears and yelling nonsense. Having that guy doing a fair and unbiased report having to do with a Sony product is clearly akin to having kev do the same.
September 23rd, 2009
Bit off topic but why the fuck does GT5 not have Porsche??????
Forza is gonna exploit that shit.
September 23rd, 2009
where is the link for that….
Forza is also going to exploit SUV’s and Trucks…. wow
September 23rd, 2009
Probably the GT5 website would be a good place to start lol
September 23rd, 2009
http://community.eu.playstation.com/playstationeu/search?board_id=65&submitted=true&q=porsche
Okay now let the true fanboys aka Ivan/Roca and co bad mouth how crap porsche is and how they’re glad GT don’t have them. HA HA
September 23rd, 2009
community.eu.playstation.com/playstationeu/search?board_id=65&submitted=true&q=porsche
Okay now let the true fanboys aka Ivan/Roca and co bad mouth how crap porsche is and how they’re glad GT don’t have them. HA HA
September 23rd, 2009
the reality is ANY percentages that do not come from either sony or ms are to be taken as rumor, while you sony-boys claim them as facts.
this is what i’m trying to get thru your head.
“ian” maybe doing the show, but he certainly did NOT make up the numbers that are being reported. yet you claim he’s unreliable because you think he’s a ms fanboy….
“special broadcast slandering the playstation brand name”….? wtf…. you’re taking this waaaaay too seriously, little guy…. noones slandering anything… it’s a REPORT…. that gives hard numbers from consumers….
if sony realy thought it was slander they would be filing the lawsuit was we speak… but they’re not…. and why? b/c it’s NOT slander, sport…
so, with your logic, we can attack anyone we don’t believe to be fair, right? that should make for some interesting debates….
the point is; you guys love to spew how ms has a crappy system, they gloss over the bricks that are being created by the PS updates, the YLOD, and the numbers being reported by the UK show.
the fact remains, NO system is perfect, while you pretend the ps3 is just about there.
heck, even sony admitted they have problems with the ps3, but refuse to offer numbers…
if you think Ian is using bad numbers, prove it. until then, stfu, fanboy… pretty easy math…
out for the night…
September 23rd, 2009
CON – no porsches in GT5? That has to be a joke… wtf…. LMAO!!!
pathetic. a racing game w/o Porsche is hardly a racing game at all….
but on the bright side, i’m sure they’ll have another 50+ identical Nissan Skylines to choose from… lol…
good find, CON. cya tomorrow…
September 23rd, 2009
“<.5% of the population of the UK, “…
uh…the entire population of the uk doesn’t own a ps3, genius….
love your math… lmao…
September 23rd, 2009
ROCA – “wrong again…just the 50% came from a survey. what makes BBC claims more creditable than the survey? ”
easy, because sony fans have been caught skewing 360 data to make themselves feel better.
ask IVAN… i’m sure he’s voted in more than one poll, more than once, to make the ps3 look better than the 360….
as did SCEE employees when they were caught editing Halo3’s wiki entry with false information.
the fact is; sony fans are liars, fanboys, and not to be trusted on any level. hey, don’t blame me…. they did it to themselves…
I’m not saying the numbers from the BBC are accurate either…. like i said earlier, “who knows”…. or really “who cares”…
September 23rd, 2009
jofa – are you ever going to add something of substance or continue to hurl insults….
you’re making Ivan look very intelligent in comparison… nice job… lmao..
September 23rd, 2009
KEV STOP CALLING OTHER PEOPLE FANBOYS!!!! YOU AND ANDREW_DOUBLESHIT ARE THE WORST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
…and sorry Ivan i like you but your 3rd on that list lol.
September 23rd, 2009
I’m going to have to disagree. Andrew_DS isn’t a fanboy, he just likes taking the piss out of people who take their systems too seriously. I just think you don’t like him because he’s taken the piss out of you a few times.
September 23rd, 2009
Andrew_DoubleShit ain’t took piss outta me from what i remember, if he did it can’t of been very good and he likes to chat (Double) shit about anything which ain’t Nintendo related.
September 23rd, 2009
exactly thank you oldschool1987 for clarifying my point
September 23rd, 2009
Nobody ever said that PS3’s failure rate was higher than 360’s, although it has been said to be as high as 10% (whereas 360’s is higher as mentioned above). One valid point that was brought up:
Sony did say many times that the PS3 will last for years and years, much longer than the competition’s, however they only have a warranty for one year.
My own 360 lasted for almost four years before I finally replaced it due to intermittent freezing in some games. Within three years I had sent it in once for repairs free of charge and it lasted another year. When I replaced it I sold it to Gamestop for $40 without the hard drive and bought an arcade using the same hard drive I already had. Essentially it cost about $160.
Now if I had bought a PS3 at it’s launch, had it break down with the YLOD after a year (outside of warranty), whereas my 360 was still working fine for another two, and happened to be one of the 12,500 mentioned, yeah I could see how people would be pretty miffed at paying 120 pounds for repairs, whereas the 360 would still be free for repairs for another 2 years.
Stats and reports are great, but in the end there will still be people that had good and bad experiences regardless. For those who had both consoles, and Sony’s went down first, they are bound to look at Microsoft as having the better service policy. It may be because Microsoft was “forced” to because of a higher defect rate, but for these people (a significant portion of the 12,500, to be sure), it doesn’t really matter, as one company still covers them.
September 23rd, 2009
You never explained what a double shit was either….
September 24th, 2009
Well… He talks shit all the time, so much in fact it’s Double the amount a normal shit talker would say, so i dubbed him Double Shit and it suits him lol.
September 24th, 2009
I never see him talking shit. Talking smack perhaps, but not shit. He’s funny.
September 24th, 2009
Talking smack? lmao
September 24th, 2009
“uh…the entire population of the uk doesn’t own a ps3, genius….
love your math… lmao…”
12,500 complaints out of 2.5 million ps3 sold in UK is <.5%.
Thank you very much. ouch..lmao.
September 24th, 2009
phranc – “<.5% of the population of the UK,….. ”
please notice the word “population”, genius…your words, not mine… ouch…
again…please keep you babbling straight… lmao…
sucks about gt5, huh?
hahahahahahahaaa!!!!
September 24th, 2009
Good points CarlB.
MS definitely has the best warranty out of the pair, and like you said it’s because they were forced to. Their warranty extension started about a year and a half after the system was out, leaving people for a half a year to find a different solution. With the estimated amount of faulty 360 consoles I’m sure that number was very high and left a sour taste for those people.
A three year warranty is unprecedented in the Hardware world, but it would be nice if all companies had some faith in their work and made a three year warranty the norm.
September 24th, 2009
I just figured you actually read the same report I did, and that point was easy enough for you to grasp. I love that your only saving grace is your own misinterpretation of my point.
Maybe you should also point out fault with my grammar….. I bet that somehow that will make you look correct in your failure to actually make a logical argument.
September 24th, 2009
“sucks about gt5, huh?
hahahahahahahaaa!!!!”
Kevs maturity shines through. ouch…
September 24th, 2009
as of yesterday GT5 is 65% complete…
and even at 65%, Forza is nowhere near it
September 24th, 2009
It does make me curious about that whole “We can release GT5 at any time” comment though.
September 24th, 2009
lol oh yeah I forgot about that,
it is probably 65% of what they are trying to achieve.
September 24th, 2009
Or perhaps kev’s psychic visions scared them into upping their goals!
September 24th, 2009
most likely
September 24th, 2009
Here are some other unfinished games:
Okamiden: 25%
Lost Planet 2: 70%
Valkyria Chronicles 2: 70%
Yakuza 4: 65%
Final Fantasy XIV: 50%
Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker: 50%
God of War III: 60%
Heavy Rain: 50%
Halo: ODST: MAXED OUT
September 24th, 2009
Ooo Oooo What happened to GT5!?
Did it cause the world to explode? I NEED to know!
But being serious… What happened to GT5, delayed again?
September 24th, 2009
March 2010 J-release date.
September 24th, 2009
Phranc – Don’t blame me because you can’t articulate correctly. Maybe if you thought before you typed you wouldn’t make stupid claims about the ps3 and a country’s population. I’m just laughing that you are taking this article as fact while claiming “Ian” is trying to smear the ps name…. geez… So, is this report credible or not? If not, stop using the data… if it is, then “Ian” is right and you’re wrong.
Yeah…it sucks about GT5 not having Porsche. I think it’s funny. Sorry you can’t see the humor, but many of us do. After all the fanboy claims of GT5 being “legendary in the business”, they can’t even get Porsche into it….now THAT’S funny …
Porsche is only one *more* way that GT5 trails behind Forza 3. hey, don’t hate the messenger, hate Kaz/GT5 for milking the name, stuffing the garage with useless, redundant Japanese cars while failing to truly innovate or bring cars that true car lovers would want.
As any car fan knows, it’s a huge let down not having this legendary car line in GT5. They are truly beautifully engineered machines. I’m really hoping for your sake this information is wrong and Porsche will show up in GT5.
The only bigger loss would be the loss of Ferrari. But GT5 has some of those. Not sure if it’s as many as Forza 3, but at least you have some. Does GT5 have Lambo? Please say yes… I couldn’t take the news if they didn’t have Lambo AND Porsches.
September 24th, 2009
roca – “as of yesterday GT5 is 65% complete…
and even at 65%, Forza is nowhere near it”
unless you’re counting Porsche, in which case, GT5 is sorely lacking in comparison to Forza 3.
actually, Kaz (GT5’s creator) said Forza 3 has more to offer than GT5, so i don’t know where you get your “nowhere near it” comment outside of being a ps3 fanboy…
September 24th, 2009
awwww…more bad news from GT5’s camp. they lied….again….
GT5 won’t be here until 2010…uh-oh…
cio.com/article/503150/Gran_Turismo_5_Coming_in_March_Next_Year
…so much for the “GT5 will rulez the holidays” routine from the ps3 fanboys…
poor Ivan, phranc, and roca … .they were sooooo convinced it would be a holiday hit for sony….. ouch…
just as well…w/o Porsche it seems like gimped game anyway…
September 24th, 2009
How’s Nascar and WRC Rally working for you in Forza there kev?
September 24th, 2009
GT5 and Forza Ferrari 458 Comparison:
gametrailers.com/video/tgs-09-gran-turismo/56442
gametrailers.com/video/ferrari-458-forza-motorsport/56431
LMAO…….Ouch
September 24th, 2009
1 Million PS3’s sold in three weeks.
September 24th, 2009
phranc – you might want to actually play these modes before hyping them. NASCAR and Rally races with bumpercar physics is kinda pointless… like 95% of GT games…
too bad about the lack of porsche and delayed launch.
i’m think kaz knew what he was saying when he said Forza 3 offered more than GT5.
September 24th, 2009
phranc – how many topics you gonna post about to try to draw attention away from the fact Kaz lied to you fanboys…? lmao…
September 24th, 2009
The NASCAR license is HUGE!!!!. Easily more people care about NASCAR then the inclusion of Porshe. and The Lamborghini is in GT5
“phranc – how many topics you gonna post about to try to draw attention away from the fact Kaz lied to you fanboys…? lmao…”
?
September 24th, 2009
phranc – actually, NASCAR games from EA haven’t sold very strongly… sorry…
good news about the lambo in GT5.. i’d hate to think of a racer without it….
your idea that more people would rather have nascar in a racer than porsche would be funny, if it weren’t so sad… lmao…
September 24th, 2009
phranc – first you brought up nascar… then you brought up console sales… what next? lmao…
September 24th, 2009
sorry.. That was meant in wii topic. So thats where that went….
September 24th, 2009
oh…nevermind…
September 24th, 2009
I can believe your went there…praising Porches now…you look at a Porche from 1993 and one from now and they all look the same.. wow its going to be awesome!!
do forza has Nascar? W2R, 1000 cars?
what it does have is SUV’s and Trucks….lol WTF really…..they couldnt come up with some better and more realistic (but hey its an arcady game)
where is the link where it stated GT5 wont have porche?
September 24th, 2009
Nascar is more popular than Porshes…how are those SUV’s ??? you need alot more physics paremeter for those
hows that for realism huh ?
September 24th, 2009
Roca – it’s in this very thread… look up, genius…
NASCAR? lmao…that’s funny… especially with the bumpercar physics of GT games..
Rally? ooooo….fun…racing against noone in the desert….. lmao….
actually forza has Porsche and GT5 doesnt’. Forza 3 has a 2009 launch date… GT5 doesn’t. According to Kaz (GT5’s creator) Forza offers more, but according to you it doesn’t…
on the bright side, you guys get countless Japanese cars that noone would want to race…
September 24th, 2009
ROCA – how did you come up with the “nascar is more popular than porches”, genius? one is a sport, the other a car…
gawd…lmao…
please don’t bring up physics…you look dumb everytime you do as you use the terms out of context…
September 24th, 2009
wiki states it Roca. licensing issue with another developer. I’m guessing Turn 10.
Watch those Ferrari trailers yet? Its basically photo realistic vs Game.
September 24th, 2009
ROCA – what “SUV’s and Trucks” are in Forza 3? thanks.
September 24th, 2009
great… Now there goes all my lunch time……
September 24th, 2009
“Watch those Ferrari trailers yet? Its basically photo realistic vs Game.”
lets see what he has to say about that….he is going to come up with some like “Kaz said the photo realistic is Forza and they foggy looking one is GT5 because it’s at 65% and they still have to work on it”
September 24th, 2009
phranc – i know how you feel… i’ll check back in at the end of the day.
September 24th, 2009
GameSpot – Forza Motorsport 3 – cars and trucks/suv
h**p://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/forzamotorsport3/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-47462442&pid=948030
Nascar is a better addition than what the Porshe has to offer (all their cars look the same).
W2R….better than Trucks and SUV’s (thats fucking laughable..ouch)
1000 cars better than 400 (including trucks and SUV’s)
September 24th, 2009
You know, normally I would be annoyed that I can’t watch the video and then I’d be forced to watch it at home….
But I got home, and it was fucking Anne Robinson. Bleh. I would rather take a rusty knife to my sack than watch that.
September 24th, 2009
Lets see… How many topics can I hit..lol
Sometimes when I read your responses kev, I feel you didn’t watch the video linked, read Daves story or check out the link I posted in the second post (you know the important one…jk Roca)
Sony gave them the numbers reported in the show (12,500). Whether they are skewered for them is yet to be shown. Sony’s point was that if you take that number and look at the amount of PS3’s sold in the UK, the problem is well under any expected failure rate.
The Smear campaign was closer to tongue in cheek humor and I said so in the other thread (Sept. 18th).
Whether I except the numbers are not that are mentioned on the site from Sony, really has to factor on whether I like a certified MS freelance employee (Ian Lee) parking a van fixing ps3’s in front of Sony and then televising it. Its sensationalism TV at it’s worst ( I believe I mentioned that before).
Porsche would have been nice in GT. It’s a shame exclusivity even runs as far as grabbing brands of cars. I wonder how well that paid off..
NASCAR games don’t typically sell to well. But look.. they have a bunch of games made under that Sport. That has to mean something. Its a shame the fans couldn’t figure a way to change the channel from NASCAR on fox to alt. video 1 so they could support it /redneck jibe.
I’ve got some interesting physics talk for you. More or less picked up by searching the topic on Forza sites. I think it could wait until the next GT/Forza topic though.
September 24th, 2009
“except” was supposed to be “accept”. *facepalms*.
September 24th, 2009
phranc – The point is; noone here knows if the the UK broadcast is using accurate data. I even stated “who knows”, but you guys love to call the reported biased, then use his data. That’s dumb. Either you believe him, or you don’t.
Even dumber is even thinking the hardware reliability of any console is a measure of it’s worth, value, or chance of success. The ps2 *proved* a company can release bad hardware, ignore the problem, and gamers will STILL buy it in droves.
Is the 360 unreliable? Many of the early ones, yes…absolutely. But to keep coming up with percentages that seem to go up with every fanboy post is insane when there is NO data supporting either side. It wouldn’t be so bad but you clowns pretend the 360 is the ONLY console with hardware problems, while ignoring sony’s own admission they have ps3 problems and ignoring the updates that seem to break more things on the ps3 than fix. (overstated but you get the point)
I know that if this report was about MS and the 360 you would NOT be here calling it “sensationalism” as you have used unproven survey’s as proof of the 360’s unreliability in the past. That’s my point. You ps3 fanboys just can’t get reason through your heads.
ROCA – AWESOME news about SUVs in Forza 3. I loved having Porsche Ceyenne (400+ hp) races in PGR 2. It makes for some very interesting and nail biting races as SUV have a higher center of gravity and handle significantly different than cars. I’ll take SUV and truck road races over NASCAR, any day.
Drive fast, turn left is only fun for about the first 50 laps. After that, it gets really, really boring. Thankfully you don’t have to worry about restrictor plate races as they do in reality. This is why NASCAR games don’t sell well…. they’re just too boring…even with Sears Pointe and other road courses. It sucks GT5 owners won’t get to know the thrill of either Porsche or SUV racing.
I’m done trying to talk physics with you guys. It goes well over your heads. It’s like trying to talk engineering to a 1st grader. You can believe what you want. If there’s one thing you sony fanboys have taught us it’s that you simply cannot be reasoned with.
The Forza franchise has been crowned the king of physics by every gaming site that I can think of, as well as by anyone who’s played both GT and Forza games. The only ones who don’t think this are those sony fanboys who haven’t played Forza games or lack any actual high speed driving experience to base a comparison. Simply because a marketing clown typed, “The Real Driving Simulator” on a box does NOT mean it’s true or accurate.
Yes, GT was the king of the hill for a long time, but they couldn’t stay there forever. Some people just can’t come to grips with the fact time moves on and being first doesn’t always mean being best. If this wasn’t the case, Oldsmobile would be the best car on the market since it was the first mass produced car ever made. Right?
Anyway, out for the day. Cya tomorrow…
WELCOME BACK, CAD!!!! Wasn’t the same without you.
September 24th, 2009
Yes it was.
September 24th, 2009
“Nascar is a better addition than what the Porshe has to offer (all their cars look the same).”
What a true fucking moron of a fanboy you are IVAN/ROCA. I knew it was only a matter of time before you fanboys would start slagging of porsche…..one of the most famous cars in the world! HA HA
Are you sony fanboys seriously going to go down this road???
PATHETIC
September 24th, 2009
haha CON, why so angry!
GT5 has more car manufactures than Forza 3, Porshe its just one, ok. No a BIG DEAL like your are making it seem.
now what kind of real racing sim have trucks and SUVs
but anyways good to see you are jumping in the Forza 3 wagon. Kev desperately needed the help but both of you failed to prove anything other than show us how stupid both of you are
September 25th, 2009
A lot of handbags getting swung around ain’t there? lmao
September 25th, 2009
Microsoft Employee gets caught trolling NeoGAF GT5 forum topic.
thesixthaxis.com/2009/09/25/want-to-troll-the-gran-turismo-5-date-dont-get-caught/
I guess it’s the last time we should ever hear kev complain about the wiki article edit by a Sony employee.
September 25th, 2009
that reminds me of the Cnet “GT5 vs F3″ poll.
where Turn 10 tried to bribe every 360 owner and then some to go vote for Forza 3. (link below for those with bad memory)
***Forza Developer Using Bribes to Skew CNET Poll***
h**p://playstationlifestyle.net/2009/06/09/forza-developer-using-bribes-to-skew-cnet-poll/
September 25th, 2009
It will still have Ruf (like every GT since GT2), a manufacturer that is VERY well known for preserving the spirit of Porsche, while turning the amps up to 11. Good enough for me!
“I loved having Porsche Ceyenne (400+ hp) races in PGR 2.”
I am sure you will have no problem adjusting to racing SUVs in forza then. Arcade racers are all alike.
September 25th, 2009
Ncaissie – I guess when I hear the term “a lot” in terms of the ps3, I think of tens of millions, as their last gen user base was at 150 million, according to sony. Like I said, “relative”. Maybe 1-2 million (globally) is a lot to you ….
Phranc – hardly the same thing. you think wiki and a forum thread are the same? Oh man…. Lmao…
Yeah, it was a cheap shot to entice voters to vote for Forza on an online poll. Just one more reason why online polls can never be taken seriously. They are not the first or last to do this…sony included. However, with the fact the GT franchise has sold “50 million copies”, they should be running away with the poll results if the sony fanboys are to be believed and GT is the “king of all things racing”. (paraphrased, of course).
I can’t get to the thread, so please paraphrase what he said or did wrong. Thanks.
Jofa – the model of the car doesn’t make a game “arcade”, genius… if this was the case, the GT franchise would be the king of Arcade racers as they had “concept” cars in their games that didn’t even exist in reality. Ie; the Nike concept car.
Go ahead, pretend not having Porsche doesn’t bother you. It would bother any real racing fan, so it’s no surprise it doesn’t bother you. I’m still waiting for one of you to explain what NASCARs and Rally racers have to do with simulation racing. Hint: nothing.
Maybe it’s time the Gran Turismo franchise stops calling itself a “simulator” when they start tacking on unrealistic modes like these. If they’re not a sim racer, that would make them (….wait for it…)..yep…an Arcade Racer…ouch..
Really tho; you can keep your NASCAR and Rally modes. Too boring for my tastes.
Well gents….out for the weekend. ODST here I come.
Oldschool – it’s a regular b**** fight, minus the nails and weaves…. noone really takes it seriously….well…maybe Ivan.
September 25th, 2009
“I’m still waiting for one of you to explain what NASCARs and Rally racers have to do with simulation racing.”
because its simulating Nascar and W2R better then anybody else in the business.
SUVs and Trucks makes Forza more arcady, might was well add some power items like Mario Kart
September 25th, 2009
“Go ahead, pretend not having Porsche doesn’t bother you. It would bother any real racing fan, so it’s no surprise it doesn’t bother you. I’m still waiting for one of you to explain what NASCARs and Rally racers have to do with simulation racing. Hint: nothing.
Maybe it’s time the Gran Turismo franchise stops calling itself a “simulator” when they start tacking on unrealistic modes like these. If they’re not a sim racer, that would make them (….wait for it…)..yep…an Arcade Racer…ouch..”
Huh?
NASCAR and WRC are “unrealistic” modes? explain please.
September 25th, 2009
h**p://www.co-optimus.com/article/2672/Halo_3_ODST_Tops_Killzone_2s_Lifetime_Sales___In_24_Hours.html
SUCK IT!!!!!!!!
September 25th, 2009
^^^hahah…..CarlB see why I stress the term xbot.
September 26th, 2009
ROCA – you just don’t klnow when to stop typing..
it’s been said, “there’s nothing ’stock’ about stockcars”. therefore your theory about them being a true simulator is a joke as 1. you have no base of comparison, 2. Kaz has never made this claim that you did, and 3. it’s not even released yet. i got crucified for saying things about gt5 pre-launch….i’m wondering why your fellow ps3 fanboys let you get away with this…
same thing for the rally racers..
funny you ignored the fact kaz used make-believe cars in his other “sim racers”…lmao…. not surprising…..
Phranc – easy. rally races use dirt tracks. dirt tracks have a wide variety of coefficient of friction that impact the car performance all through the lap. kaz couldn’t have possible captured this. NASCAR cars do not handle like road cars, thusly none of you fanboys can say they handle like their actual counterparts. I haven’t read anything about kaz spending any time at any NASCAR sanctioned event or track to capture the performance of these cars.
hope this helps.
i just can’t understand why you would defend a liar like Kaz. even after all you ps3 fanboys SWORE gt5 would be here for the holidays….ouch…
funny about halo odst, huh….
and you guys claimed, “killzone 2 will be a console seller”….lmao…..
nice find, CON…..
September 26th, 2009
roca – you call us xbots, then say this?
“because its simulating Nascar and W2R better then anybody else in the business.”
it’s not even on the market yet, genius….lmao..
oh and for the record, other rally games had more extensive damage than what gt5’s rally will be providing…..ouch…
September 26th, 2009
new GT5 news…. unfortunately, not good…
akihabaranews.com/en/news-18970-%5BTGS09%5D+GT5,+Too+Clean,++Too+Perfect,+Too+Boring%3F.html
key points;
1. feels the sames as GT5p
2. cars handle like GT4 (more bumpercar physics)
3. very pretty, but too much so. all gloss, no substance.
4. prefers FM3 over GT5.
ouch…..
September 26th, 2009
ROAC, Phranc, Ivan, and Jofa – Gather around my little fanboys… i’ve got some really, really bad news to tell you. you may want to sit down….
There was a really big GT fan that just played both the Forza 3 and GT5 demo’s at the Tokyo Game Show. He rated the games against each other. One game swept the results. Want to guess which one? hint: NOT gt5…
destructoid.com/tgs-09-forza-motorsport-3-vs-gran-turismo-5-149770.phtml
so…this guy actually PLAYED both games and came up with his conclusion.
you guys haven’t. ouch…
really, tho; he’s only confirming what real drivers have always known. the Gran Turismo franchise is past it’s prime…. RIP… lmao…
can we let it rest now? are you willing to accept reality? if not, just refer to this link. he’s played them, you haven’t… hee, hee…
September 26th, 2009
sorry, i forgot IVAN_PSP….
September 26th, 2009
well, my brakes are done, time to go. i’ll come back on monday to count the cranial explosions and insults. should be fun.
here’s a few excuses to choose from:
1. “the destructoid reporter is a xbot”
2. “he didn’t play the final GT5 version”
3. “he sucks, GT5 is the greatest game EVAH!!”
4. “Forza hasn’t sold as many games as GT has”
pick one…lmao…
September 26th, 2009
ahhhhh im tired of you already!
September 29th, 2009
ROCA – i figured as much, now that people have actually played both and given the crown to the Forza franchise…again…
it’s funny how silent you fanboys get when confronte with reality…lmao…
September 29th, 2009
STFU!!!!
I havent seen anybody giving anything to FM, arcady GOTY maybe. yoo get a life and dont waste our time with nonsense.
September 30th, 2009
roca – here..since you like to ignore reality… i’ll put it right in front of your face..
destructoid.com/tgs-09-forza-motorsport-3-vs-gran-turismo-5-149770.phtml
…now…read! and stfu… lmao..