Forza dev didn’t have to bash Gran Turismo 5 as Forza 3 is good on its own merit
The biggest story going around today is around the Microsoft employee that went onto NeoGAF to bash Gran Turismo 5 and Polyphony Digital. Things started to heat up after it was revealed that the NeoGAF poster was a covert Microsoft employee trolling as a fanboy. The biggest irony is that Forza 3 is good enough to stand on its own merit without such antics.
The Forza series is a great franchise; there is no doubt about it. Every one of the Forza games have received high review scores and much praise. However, Turn 10, the internal Microsoft studio has been getting a bit of a reputation for putting its collective foot in its mouth.
As I recall, when the studio first pumped out Forza 1 the developers were praising Gran Turismo and showing much respect to Polyphony Digital. However, over the years it seems that respect has been slowly turning into disrespect.
I’ve listed out the number of times Turn 10 might have stepped out of line in order to bash Gran Turismo:
1.
Not too long ago Dan Greenwalt, Forza director for Turn 10 stated, “I’m in this industry because of Gran Turismo, let’s just be frank,” he explained that Gran Turismo inspired him to get into cars, leading to his first performance car purchase.
Then things started going downhill when he stated:
So, props to Kazunori Yamauchi-san and the PS1 team – that said, I feel that he’s passed us the baton. Perhaps he hasn’t meant to, but we have taken the genre to new levels and they’ve stopped evolving the genre. So again, tremendous respect to him, but I’d say the differentiator is they’re old school. The emperor’s naked, and I don’t want to, you know, I don’t want to slap him around, but no game competes [with] us right now.
2.
Then at E3, Greenwalt made another controversial remark that really wasn’t received well in the video gaming community.
He said:
We watched the Sony press conference and we were like, OK so we just brought what we believe firmly is the best racing game ever made, and our competition didn’t show up. So now you can see why I’m fairly bullish. I hate to sound so cocky but the truth is the stars have aligned. I don’t know how else to say it.
3.
Then there was the CNET Poll bribery incident which caused some raised eyebrows. CNET ran a poll as to which race SIM will be the best between GT5 and Forza 3, and Turn 10 studios started bribing forum readers with an offer to receive a free Forza DLC car if you voted for Forza 3.
CNET writer Antuan Goodwin was so disgusted with Turn 10, the poll was shut down. After closing the poll Goodwin wrote, “After numerous complaints of cheating and in-game content being offered as payment for votes, I’ve decided to close the poll. Way to ruin the fun for the rest of us, guys.” You can still check out the comparison videos on CNET’s story here.
I have to say this act did have video game journos in the industry shaking their heads.
4.
During E3, developers from Polyphony Digital came over to the Forza booth to check out Forza 3 and admire Turn 10’s work. Turn 10’s Che Chou then became a bit cocky and posted on his Forza blog stating that the Gran Turismo franchise has become “stagnant.” Wow, what a great way to return the respect Polyphony Digital showed Turn 10 at E3.
5.
In a recent interview Greenwalt stated, “I play a lot of racing games, including PC racing games and I have not seen anything that is even within years of what we’re delivering here.” Greenwalt pretty much bashed every racing studio out there by implying Forza 3 is years ahead of everyone else. I can see that he is trying to be modest here because after all no one would ever makes that claim unless its generally accepted.
6.
Here is the kicker that has everyone in the industry talking – a Turn 10 employee bashed Gran Turismo on NeoGAF posturing as a fanboy. Apparently, Dan M. a Turn 10 producer and Microsoft employee created an account and went on to NeoGAF pretending to be a fanboy and started bashing Gran Turismo. A NeoGAF moderator quickly replied back to Dan stating:
If you’re going to make posts like this – you shouldn’t sign up for a GAF account with your Microsoft corporate email. Seriously.
One thing you can’t deny is that NeoGAF moderators are on the ball. Remember when Dennis Dyack was quickly dealt for bashing NeoGAF?
The point I want to make is that the Forza series is great. I really don’t see the need for these antics from the folks at Turn 10. If the folks at Polyphony Digital are showing respect to Turn 10, equally show them the same kind of respect instead of bashing them as soon as their backs are turned. Studio competition is great and healthy by all means as it raises the bar, but a certain level of respect and professionalism needs to be kept. Forza 3 is already shaping up to be a top notch game with the first review score from OXM France giving it a 9.5/10.
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September 29th, 2009
Nice to see Polyphony Digital not being childish as well and just ignoring the pettiness.
Ill be getting Gran Turismo over Forza simply for the reason it looks a hell of a lot better graphics-wise.
September 30th, 2009
There is no need for anything like that. Sure, be proud of what you vreate, and by all means talk it up if you’re proud of it. But by no means should you resort to childish backstabing, especially as the GT series is the reason to get into game making.
congrats on NeoGAF for the call on the MS employee.
By the way guys this is coming from the sun and sand of the beautiful caloundra.
Thinking of you all!!!!
September 30th, 2009
Yeah Turn 10 put your foot right up PD’s asses. Oh you gotta love trash talk. It’s healthy compitition. But really so what if he’s being cocky, is it not the truth. Who is really playing catch up in a genre that should be dominated by GT. PD is now borrowing/stealing features that Forza started. Just like the system that it’s being played on. The man has every right to let the people know who has the reign now.
September 30th, 2009
@ CAD: You would not be saying that if it was a Sony employee doing that to the Forza team and don’t say you would because I won’t believe a word of it lol.
September 30th, 2009
It’s no secrete that Sony employees have done the exact same thing in the past so really to me they are both wrong but it is fun to watch especially sitting on this side of the fence. So your right I wouldn’t like it but right now I’m enjoying it.
September 30th, 2009
“It’s no secrete that Sony employees have done the exact same thing in the past”
Link or it didn’t happen.
September 30th, 2009
Thats a bit dirty. Shouldn’t he leave all the bad mouthing to us fanboys?
I would love to get Forza 3. I have the first and absolutely loved it. Even better if I get a wheel too.
But….
I have to agree with oldschool1664. GT5 looks better. The pic above looks great but when you see a pic of GT5 it makes Forza look like its computer generated. I know it is but that says a lot about GT5 and how realistic it looks.
September 30th, 2009
This just shows the differences in respect in the 2 cultures (sorry americans but it;s true)
Japanese are so respectful to everyone and everything. This obviously shines through, regardless of which games you’re going to get.
September 30th, 2009
there is a difference between playful cockiness and being total disrespecting dicks. Looks like Turn 10 haven’t quite figured that out yet. It is incredibly unprofessional to speak ill of your competition. Lets hope GT5 remains gracious and then wipes the floor with them. That is the only way to wipe out such idiotic behaviour.
September 30th, 2009
Bourne – what a load of crap. you must’ve forgotten all the trash talk from Kuturagi, Hirai and Harrison concerning the original xbox (set top pc), or the sony employee caught editing Halo 3’s wiki with false information, of the Sony Defense Force that flooded online polls to skew towards sony.
Heck, even Kaz slammed Forza in the past for “cosmetic damage” (completely false as the damage was performance impacting).
oh yea…the japanese are sooooo respectful…
you’re either a complete noob, or a fanboy…
i love the way Mike resized the Forza screen to make it look like forza 3 has jaggies…. even WITH the FSAA that the 360 has…. Sorry, Mike, but i’ve seen Forza 3 and there are no jaggies like shown in your shot… congrats tho; you’ve fooled the ps3 fanboys very well. then again, they’re very easily fooled.
sorry, Mike, but once again, all you’ve proven is that you’ll do anything (at the risk of your own integrity) to support you fanboyism.
the reality is, love it or hate it, Forza 3 has waaay more to offer than any GT game to date, including GT5, as even Kaz stated Forza 3 has more to offer.
it’s funny watching the ps3 fanboys hype the graphics of GT5 from prelaunch screen shots. it’s gonna be hilarious watching their reactions when the game actually launches…. hint: NOTHING like the marketting shots released by PD.
don’t believe me? wait for the launch fanboys… lmao…
I’m glad Dan and his team are trash talking. After years and years of listening to it from sony and their fanboys, i say a little pay back is entitled…nay, WELCOMED!!!
If kaz doesn’t like it, maybe he should try innovating the genre instead of just slapping a new coat of paint on the old game, stuffing more cars in the garage and calling it “new”….
September 30th, 2009
RIMMER – “It is incredibly unprofessional to speak ill of your competition.”
tell it to Kuturagi, Hirai and Harrison at sony. they’ve done a LOOOT of “ill” at the expense of the xbox…
September 30th, 2009
Kev, You dont even own a 360, nor do you know anything about graphics or the racing genre for that matter.
PD is letting the screen shots and gameplay video do all the talk…..well done.
September 30th, 2009
“sorry, Mike, but once again, all you’ve proven is that you’ll do anything (at the risk of your own integrity) to support you fanboyism”
you havent played the demo yet….soon after the demo was available there has been numerous numbers of complaint about FM3’s shitty graphics. M$ is known for showing cool fake trailers that is nothing of what the game is going to be like…the only fanboy here is you for not wanting to see the truth. Maybe FM4 will be at GT’s Standars
September 30th, 2009
Numerous numbers hey……. wow that sounds like a lot.
And didn’t you hear kev, GT5 is 1080p @ 60 Hz which means it’s got the best graphics. Mike’s explained all that to us before.
September 30th, 2009
resolution and graphics are two different things
September 30th, 2009
I’m sure there have been Sony people talking ill of MS people and vise versa. It doesn’t matter. Look at how Apple trashes windows all the time. And their OS is no better. The only ones that care are the fanboys. So if you’re upset then you’re a fanboy. Right Kev …ouch… LOL Tool
Kev talks a good game and never provides examples never mind links.
September 30th, 2009
@ ncaissie
LoL…. and he never mention his own personal expierience. he talks a game he has never played. he is pathethic
September 30th, 2009
To quote Jofa… Kev, “link or it didn’t happen”.
September 30th, 2009
Trash talking is one thing… but posing as a fan on forums is just extremely petty and in poor taste. Noone can even argue against that.
September 30th, 2009
@ Kev ‘i love the way Mike resized the Forza screen to make it look like forza 3 has jaggies…. even WITH the FSAA that the 360 has…. Sorry, Mike, but i’ve seen Forza 3 and there are no jaggies like shown in your shot… congrats tho’
And how big would this pic be when your playing the game on a TV? My telly is bigger than that pic.
It don’t even look jagged anyway, the graphics look great.
…Did Andrew_DoubleShit agree with me??? I need a drink :S
September 30th, 2009
Andrew_DS: “I have to agree with oldschool1664. GT5 looks better”
oldschool1664???? 1664?
September 30th, 2009
@kev,
“i love the way Mike resized the Forza screen to make it look like forza 3 has jaggies…. even WITH the FSAA that the 360 has…. Sorry, Mike, but i’ve seen Forza 3 and there are no jaggies like shown in your shot… congrats tho”
What jaggies? You see jaggies in that picture? Your being a bit too harsh on Forza 3 man. The pic looks great.
The original pic size is 1280px × 720px and its been resized to 800px × 450px, meaning it will look slightly better then the original caps sent by Turn 10. I’m not taking a smaller pic and stretching it out.
Being a tad defensive for something that doesn’t need defending there.
September 30th, 2009
OH GOD, kev was given attention by the staff. Prepare for an onslaught of doucebaggery.
September 30th, 2009
polepositiondriver.com/wp-content/gallery/forza3/forza3_e3screenshot1.jpg
Although I have to agree with kev (not on intent, but the effect of resizing)
The moirA effect is to blame. The original picture does look better.
September 30th, 2009
uhmmm…..so the picture actually look better! (already having second thoughts about Forza3)
September 30th, 2009
Yeah, The moirA effect occurs in downsizing of pictures, not upsizing. Using a non integer based ratio for downsizing causes the piling up of pixels, creating jaggies and lines where there otherwise wouldn’t be, in the smaller size.
September 30th, 2009
@ jofa,
you can still see the game is no where near GT5 in graphics, the lighting effect doesnt not look real, the grass look pixelated, a wood house on the hill look like was just pasted there and some cars look flat from the back.
GT5:P didnt lose its though (a 2 year old game by the way)
h**p://www.threespeech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/009.png
September 30th, 2009
ROCA – ”Kev, You dont even own a 360, nor do you know anything about graphics or the racing genre for that matter.”
..This coming from the clown who confused polygons for parameters. Lmao…I know more than you, as I’ve proven time and time and time again…
“you havent played the demo yet….soon after the demo was available there has been numerous numbers of complaint about FM3’s shitty graphics”
I saw your post, but saw no link. Yet, your fellow ps3 idiots bash me for not providing links even when I do, consistently…
ncaissie: – riiiight…I never provide examples…like the data of 9,000 parameters over GT’s 300 or how physics parameters are used, or how they impact the realism, or how GT is lacking in porches, etc, etc, etc… … or I never provide links…like the destructoid link that had a GT fan playing both Forza 3 and GT5 demos and gave the nod to Forza 3. Or the other news articles links I provide. Yep. “no links”… begone clown… lmao… next time, if I want your stupid opinion, I’ll ask for it. Until then, try to keep up before hitting submit… ok? ..and this bozo calls *me* a “Tool”?….wattadouche…lmao…
*sigh* oh well…. I guess you guys have to lie…it’s really all you got left…
Me – “GT5 is 1080p @ 60 Hz which means it’s got the best graphics.”… this is why you sony fanboys are fools. A resolution does not mean better graphics. Simply a better (tighter) display. Jagged crap in 1080p is STILL going to be jagged crap. only in hidef…. For instance; do you think the GOW re-release from last gen is going to look better than this gen’s ps3 games simply b/c it’s in 1080p versus the 720p of most ps3 games? Friggin hilarious…. Lmao…
ROCA – “$ is known for showing cool fake trailers that is nothing of what the game is going to be like…the only fanboy here is you for not wanting to see the truth. Maybe FM4 will be at GT’s Standars”
Really? Then explain why people who’ve played both (ie; not you) say FM3 looks better than GT5.
Actually, PD showed no gameplay footage at E3.…now you want to say MS shows “fake trailers”? clown… lmao… come back when PD releases some ingame footage with the camera behind the car. Until then, you sony fanboys are falling for the same marketing videos that PD has always made you fall for. go ahead, believe what you want, hype GT5’s graphics…then get your excuses ready in march… you’re realllly going to need them. Hee, hee..…
2D TREES AND FLOATING TIRES FTW IN GT5!!! Lmao….
All of your ps3 fanboys (untruthful) posts are a fine example why Greenawalt should talk smack. You GT clowns have been talking smack about Forza for years. Payback’s a bitch….lmao…
Mike – whatever you say. You’ve already been proven a fanboy and liar in the past. This is just more of the same. Your article is dripping with sony love..It’s funny you NEVER post an article when sony talks smack about their competitors. Even funnier that you didn’t when Kaz talked smack about Forza 3 in his “we’re a fine watch” b.s., recently. Oh…but that’s “different”…right? Lmao…
September 30th, 2009
destructoid.com/tgs-09-forza-motorsport-3-vs-gran-turismo-5-149770.phtml
here you go ncaissie… ignore this link too…lmao….
September 30th, 2009
out for the day..
Great Job, Mr Greenwalt.
Keep it up. Kaz, Sony and their legions of morons deserve nothing less….
September 30th, 2009
Didn’t I forcast epic douchebaggery? the rules of dealing with trolls have been around a long time, yet we all take the bait!
September 30th, 2009
@Roca
I agree, but I wasn’t commenting on the games, just the resizing of the picture, heh.
September 30th, 2009
jofa – the only douchebaggery is coming from the moronic ps3 masses… sorry…
September 30th, 2009
*pats kev on the head*
Run along now, that bottle Jim Beam isn’t going to drink itself before 5pm, you know.
September 30th, 2009
oh..and speaking of douchebaggery…apparently you sony fans are big Nazi fans… that explains a lot…
h**p://consumerist.com/5370906/sony-uses-nazi-imagery-to-promote-ps3-in-chile
jofa – poor little guy…still can’t find a dog to play with you? lmao….
September 30th, 2009
Mikes picture ’shows’ less jaggies than the demo on my tv.
The trunk/boot door section (below the audi logo and between the lights) is made from 6 distinct steps. However this is the demo of course.
But like I’ve said before, the same seems really really smooth and that matters me. Its like i’m in some kind of world made from silk and the soap ‘in liquid form’ from those dove commercials.
September 30th, 2009
Kev: “Really? Then explain why people who’ve played both (ie; not you) say FM3 looks better than GT5.”
are you talking about destructoid? lol
Kev: “I saw your post, but saw no link.”
use your google skills!
September 30th, 2009
Oh, one question I have for those of you who’ve played the other Forza’s… Whats the deal with the rewind feature? I get what its used for, but where is the ‘race’ when I can just rewind the mistakes I’ve made? Do I get punished for using it or anything?
September 30th, 2009
Hahah, I was never aware of the rewind feature. Now THAT is the definition of arcade racer.
September 30th, 2009
@ Jofa, SW, me_, CAD, BJ, Phrac and Kev
h**p://immanuelv.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/gran-turismo-5-prologue-14061.jpg
h**p://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2008/04/gran_turismo_5_prologue/b4.jpg
vs
ht**p://polepositiondriver.com/wp-content/gallery/forza3/forza3_e3screenshot1.jpg
on those 3 pics, compare the details of the cars, compared the 2 Audi’s, Compare the track & enviroments, compare the lighting effects, compare the color (of the cars) that looks more like real life…
then, in your honest opinion let me know what you guys think…you too kev
**note: the GT pics are from GT5:P, a 2- year old game**
September 30th, 2009
@Jofa, @SW,
@me_, @CAD,
@BJ, @Phrac,
O@ldschool, @ Kev
GT5:P:
h**p://immanuelv.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/gran-turismo-5-prologue-14061.jpg
h**p://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2008/04/gran_turismo_5_prologue/b4.jpg
vs
Forza 3:
h**p://polepositiondriver.com/wp-content/gallery/forza3/forza3_e3screenshot1.jpg
-on those 3 pics, compare the details of the cars, compared the 2 Audi’s, Compare the track & enviroments, compare the lighting effects, compare the color (of the cars) that looks more like real life…
then, in your honest opinion let me know what you guys think…you too kev
**note: the GT pics are from GT5:P, a 2- year old game**
September 30th, 2009
@Jofa, @SW,
@me_, @CAD,
@BJ, @Phrac,
O@ldschool, @ Kev
GT5:P:
immanuelv.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/gran-turismo-5-prologue-14061.jpg
images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2008/04/gran_turismo_5_prologue/b4.jpg
vs
Forza 3:
polepositiondriver.com/wp-content/gallery/forza3/forza3_e3screenshot1.jpg
-on those 3 pics, compare the details of the cars, compared the 2 Audi’s, Compare the track & enviroments, compare the lighting effects, compare the color (of the cars) that looks more like real life…
then, in your honest opinion let me know what you guys think…you too kev
**note: the GT pics are from GT5:P, a 2- year old game**
September 30th, 2009
translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gameblog.fr%2Fnews_11544_gran-turismo-5-toutes-nos-infos-exclusives&sl=fr&tl=en&history_state0=
Sorry for the massive link, heh. In Summation, GT5 will have:
NEW VEHICLE PHYSICS (as stated since the release of GT5p)
full night/day and weather variations
20 locations around the world, 70 track configurations
950 car garage
Deformation damage based on the actual speed and direction of impact (damage modelling)
No one has played this Kev. Stop claiming a crown from a competition that hasn’t yet taken place.
September 30th, 2009
Hey dickhead, providing links after someone calls you on it does not change anything.
September 30th, 2009
A rewind feature? is that what Greenwalt meant when he said they have taken the genre to a new level….
rewind feature, auto brakes, auto tunning, semi-auto control…..can I say arcady??
that is something you will NEVER see in a GT game
September 30th, 2009
Sounds like a more interactive version of B-spec in GT4. THEY STOLES FROM GT OMG.
September 30th, 2009
@ncaissie
The game he talks is a good, too bad he is the only one playing it.
September 30th, 2009
jofa – uh..actually every simulator can ff, rewinds and progress to any point within milliseconds. it’s part of the program. Anyone who’s dealt with actual simulators knows this. (ie: NOT you apparently)…
“arcadey” because it has features found in true simulators? one more reason why ps3 fanboys are clowns…
ncaissie – actually, genius..those links were posted on saturday for the other ps3 fanboys in other topics….. next time, research then type…you may not look so dumb…lmao…
goodnight nazi lovers…
September 30th, 2009
roca – “are you talking about destructoid?”
yes.
now please offer a better explaination than “bias” which is all you’ve offered so far..
nice string of pics… come back when you’ve got some ingame (behind the car) pics of GT5. Until then, keep hyping your marketting pics of it…
September 30th, 2009
Sorry how many ppl here have actually played the demo?? It looks great! End of. and it will sell millions
September 30th, 2009
@CON
I’ll probably get the chance to give it a go this evening, looking forward to it. There is no doubt that it will sell well, as it is appearing to be a quality title.
September 30th, 2009
@Kev “apparently you sony fans are big Nazi fans… that explains a lot…”
Are you fucking serious. What kind of a moron associates fanboys with what a company does from a marketing campaign.
Its not like they asked PS3 players what would be a good marketing campaign.
Seriously what kind of a fucking moron are you to make a statement like that.
It’s one thing to trash talk people for their choice of consoles, hell I’m ok with that, but dont fucking associate me with an asshole like Hitler.
Fucking idiot.
September 30th, 2009
Hitler?
Kev was referring to sonys own weird nazi campaign and added the link. Why u havin a go at him?
September 30th, 2009
“The original pic size is 1280px × 720px and its been resized to 800px × 450px, meaning it will look slightly better then the original caps sent by Turn 10. I’m not taking a smaller pic and stretching it out.”
Looks like you owe kev an apology Mike, he seems to be right on this one
September 30th, 2009
Oh what a mess. A bunch of fanboys hyping Pics and no one has even seen a peice of in game footage. Well here is the bottom line. Forza will be out in October, I think, and 360 fanboys will be having a blast and yet all you PS3 fanboys will be looking on cursing PD under your breaths because a real sim on your system will not come until March 2010, you hope. So go out and get NFS shift since EA knows how to get a racing game out every year to satisfy your 3 year drought. And recognize this, there are 2 Forza games on the 360 in it’s 4 years. No Prolouge, No Bullshit, just real racing games.
September 30th, 2009
Why the delay anyway? I thought sony said GT was ready to be released at any time……..or something along those lines.
I’m loving the forza demo, think the rewind will bring in the less experienced drivers but I’ll be switching all that shit off in career mode. No doubt you’ll be penalised heavily if you choose to use it anyway
September 30th, 2009
I love the way forza put a porsche in the demo. I’m surprised they didn’t spray paint “worlds most famous car….only available on xbox”
September 30th, 2009
I miss the days when CAD was cool. This makes me sad.
‘worlds most famous car’
I dunno man, I’ve always thought Ferrari was more well known.
September 30th, 2009
Yeah I suppose. Lamberghini is still my fav. Can’t wait till next month
October 1st, 2009
@Kev,
those pics where from the replay mode of GT5:P and they look far superior than your arcady game
October 1st, 2009
‘worlds most famous car’
lol… I hear you SW, it seems a car brand only earns that title nowadays when fanboys get in an argument about their console’s racing game having it and the other’s not.
On the whole “jaggy” thing… I know it’s a different genre and all, but Infamous has a crapload of jaggies and I’m still having a blast with it. I’m sure both of these racing games will turn out fine, but judgment should be based on fun first, graphics second, and should be reserved until the final versions of each come out.
October 1st, 2009
And hey, let’s leave the nazi’s out of this, we all know how some people are sensitive about politics here, we should respect their wishes to the best of our abilities
Of course these same people should not be surprised when other get upset about being called “nazi fans” instead of fans of PS3 or 360 (or Wii).
October 1st, 2009
@ Kev: On the next article, maybe I’ll count how many times you write ‘PS3 Fanboys’
You really need to admit that your one of the biggest fanboys on here.
Everyone who agrees with me write ‘Aye’
October 1st, 2009
Aye
October 1st, 2009
The mere fact that we have seen both GT5’s and Forza 3’s graphics and we can tell which one looks photo realistic and which one looks like a game makes this destructoid article linked over and over, very suspect with it’s opinions. How can we trust the rest of what this guy says when the easiest thing to tell, he gets obviously wrong. If detail on the background and mountains are whats important and not the detail on the car, then so be it. I guess you found the game you’re looking for…lol
October 1st, 2009
oh.. and Aye
October 1st, 2009
Aye (x3)
October 1st, 2009
Destructoid is a website version of Kev.
October 1st, 2009
Phranctoast.
Your back to comparing Photos are you. Photos can’t be trusted therefore I don’t know why you guys are hyping a game of a Pic. It’s quite pathetic. The destructoid’s article does not put down the Look of the cars which is fine but GT seemed to have cheaped out on the background which is exactly why it can achieve 1080P.
“Visuals:
Winner: Forza Motorsport 3
While both games look great on the track, Forza’s demo featured a polish that Gran Turismo 5’s lacked. The rocky hillsides and lush greenery easily showed up the bland, almost clinical-looking cityscape of Gran Turismo. Driving slow in Gran Turismo is like inviting disappointment. I guess they were hoping you’d always be moving fast enough to not notice the perfectly flat tree and pole textures. Plants and trees on the side of the road look like paper cutouts, and the tree trunks are laughably bad. As far as the vehicle visuals go, neither game disappoints. Both supply unhealthy doses of car porn. The tighter racing action of Forza 3 made it easier to appreciate the models of the cars I raced against, but both pull off amazing feats as far as visuals go. Forza’s framerate was liquid smooth, making it a bit easier on the eyes than GT5.”
I know it means nothing to put this in your faces but this writer actually played both games so just face the facts and know that PD went back to work because Turn 10 stole their shine and you will now get the game in March 2010.
October 1st, 2009
I miss the days when CAD was cool. This makes me sad.
Oh Boo Hoo!! So what make me not cool because I don’t side with you. I’ve always been a 360 Fanboy and nothing has changed so I really don’t get it SW.
October 1st, 2009
Not Photos CAD but video.
The video for GT5 outshines the one for Forza 3 by leaps and bounds.
October 1st, 2009
“I know it means nothing to put this in your faces but this writer actually played both games so just face the facts and know that PD went back to work because Turn 10 stole their shine and you will now get the game in March 2010.”
To suggest that the game is being pushed back for this reason is beyond comical. PD really gives a flying F what a destructoid writer thinks. You know the people that make money based on hits and controversy.
gametrailers.com/video/tgs-09-gran-turismo/56442
gametrailers.com/video/ferrari-458-forza-motorsport/56431
Enjoy.
October 1st, 2009
CAD: “I’ve always been a 360 Fanboy and nothing has changed”
that explains why he wont admint GT5:P looks way better than FM3…….
@ CAD,
what are the benefits of being a 360 fanboy? you are the one who is going to be missing out!
look at this year Top 5 “exclusive” line up:
(based on metacritic score)
360:
1-Halo: ODST – 84
2-Halo Wars – 82
3-Battlestations: Pacific – 76
4-Star Ocean: The Last Hope – 72
5-Race Pro – 72
Average = 77.2
PS3:
1-Uncharted 2: Among Thieves – 97
2-Killzone 2 – 91
3-MLB 09: The Show – 90
4-Demon’s Souls – 89
5-inFAMOUS – 85
Average = 90.4
while 4 out of the top 5 game of the PS3 came from Sony, only 2 out of the 360’s came from M$, and for some reason those 2 happen to be a Halo game. I even bet you dont know own any of the top 5 exclusive for the 360. PS3 average (90.4) vs the 360 average (77.2)?? not even close
October 1st, 2009
Phranctoast
Videos? Videos, Pics what ever form it comes in I don’t care. Lets see some in game and then you can talk. It is also obvious that Sony is not basing it’s decision to push GT to March 2010 based on an article from destructiods but from what they saw at TGS 2010 show. The writer said he played both at TGS and the announcement was made at TGS when they already siad it can be released anytime so really why March 2010 and not a 2009 release? I think it is obvious.
October 1st, 2009
RHINO and Carlb – relax. The Nazi thing is just me poking fun. I can honestly say I’ve never seen so much as a “zeig heil” since being here. Although the sony fanboy loyalty level can’t be too far off…. Hee, hee…. I just think sony’s marketing folks are professional idiots sometimes.
Remember when they thought it would be a good idea to “tag” buildings in San Fran? The community didn’t dig the vandalism and took legal steps to stop it. Or more recently the Nigerian’s apparently had probs with some of sony’s ps3 commercials. Funny stuff….
so maybe the nazi thing wasn’t so funny…blame sony, not me… apparently they think you would want to help them, medically….
Phranc – I’m just wondering why you’re making graphics predictions of car models when you’ve seen no in-game footage of gt5 in action, Forza 3 uses more polygons per car than GT5 (reportedly), and the backgrounds admittedly better in Forza 3.
Then I wonder why you prefer marketing video (not in-game ones) and pics over the testimony of actual players who’ve played both GT5 and Forza 3 side by side and concluded Forza 3 to be superior. Are you guys seriously this insecure?
I think you’re right about the delay in launch. Given the fact Kaz has a long history of lying about his launch dates and capabilities (looks at GT4’s lack of promised online function at launch), I’m not surprised he lied to you guys again.
I suspect he really does not want to launch side by side with Forza 3. it would be too easy for the mass media to pick up on the fact that GT5 has been outclassed by Forza 3. Sony does NOT want that kind of press. If kaz was as confident as he pretends, he’d have no prob hitting the market.
ROCA – calling a gamer “biased” because he doesn’t choose your game is valid? Omg… come back when you learn the difference between polygons and parameters. Lol…
October 1st, 2009
roca – you’re off topic. we’re talking forza 3. stop trying to detract attention.. thanks.
October 1st, 2009
that explains why he wont admint GT5:P looks way better than FM3…….
How can I admit to what I have not seen? Videos and Pics don’t count. In game does. And Roca shove that list up your ass you little list hore. Leave it up to you to throw up a list that is unbalanced. I can do the same thing and have it in my favour to. LOL
October 1st, 2009
CAD – it’s roca…did you expect any less than uber-fanboyism? the kid’s got issues…lol…
i love this “GT5:P looks way better than FM3″…
so..if this is true AND gamers who’ve played both have said Forza 3 looks better than GT5, we can assume that GT5 looks worse than GT5:P….
way to go backwards, kaz…lmao…
October 1st, 2009
CAD: “It is also obvious that Sony is not basing it’s decision to push GT to March 2010 based on an article from destructiods but from what they saw at TGS 2010 show”
TGS 2010 is next year…thanks
CAD: “How can I admit to what I have not seen? Videos and Pics don’t count. In game does.”
play MF3 vs GT5:P….thats easy
and obviosly in-game looks better than videos in you didnt know. unless is a CGI trailer
October 1st, 2009
CAD: “Leave it up to you to throw up a list that is unbalanced.
how is that list unbalance??? that list is 100% accurate….did I miss a game that should be there…let me know, mean while it is still 90.4 vs 77.2
CAD: “I can do the same thing and have it in my favour to. LOL”
I will love if you can do that…mayb if you do a list of 2006-2007 games!
@ Kev……you are no making any sense..desctructoid does not have any creditbility. let me know when you can get an article from a creditable webasite
October 1st, 2009
‘So what make me not cool because I don’t side with you.’
Oh, so you prefer GT5? Thats fine.
There shouldn’t be any sides CAD.
No CAD, crap like this :: ‘I think, and 360 fanboys will be having a blast and yet all you PS3 fanboys will be looking on cursing PD under your breaths because a real sim on your system will not come until March 2010, you hope. ‘
Makes you not cool. I still love you tho man, brotherly love. *sniffle*
October 1st, 2009
I played about 10mins of FM3 demo last night. It was a lot fun, but will wait to try out the full version before I decide to get a 360 for it. I was impressed, but not swayed.
October 1st, 2009
the “replay mode” should be a huge selling feature….it just make everything more realistic
October 1st, 2009
Jofa,
I know for a fact that you have GT5:P (h**p://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1083/myps3.jpg), now that you have played FM3. Which game looks better? and which game is more realistic in the way the drive?
October 1st, 2009
@Roca
I think in replay mode the fps is cut from 60 to 30.
October 1st, 2009
you are right Phranc! but doesnt 60FPS look better than 30?
October 1st, 2009
Visibily so.
October 1st, 2009
60fps is smoother and but may not look better.
October 1st, 2009
Well, how would you define it then. It sounds better? You using your eyes hence it looks better…
Its my Friday. I’m in one of those moods, ok?
October 1st, 2009
SW, Phranc
so does the replay mode look better, the same, or worst in GT5:P?
October 1st, 2009
I think GT5P is still a better, more realistic drive. But it was only a few minutes with one car, and I don’t want to take anything away from FM3, it felt really good. I am gonna reserve further judgment until I play the full game.
October 1st, 2009
I don’t know Roca. It wouldn’t be as smooth. But I don’t know enough about replay mode to know if they apply extra effects to make it look ‘cool’.
October 1st, 2009
@SW.
Took tomorrow off huh.??? nice
CAD is right in the respect that in order to get 1080p at 60 fps somethings gotta give. More than likely some background stuff.
resolution vs fps is an interesting topic. In some respects I rather the frame rate, and in others I’d prefer the highest resolution.
It’s very nice that the game itself is said to be 1080p and 60fps.
@Roca
I don’t recall, but I believe the GT5P is also 30fps for the replay.
I read the replays in GT5 are only 30 fps.
October 1st, 2009
@ Phanc
“resolution vs fps is an interesting topic. In some respects I rather the frame rate, and in others I’d prefer the highest resolution.”
which background look more realistic with better lighting effects?
GT5:P:
images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2008/04/gran_turismo_5_prologue/b4.jpg
vs
Forza 3:
polepositiondriver.com/wp-content/gallery/forza3/forza3_e3screenshot1.jpg
I know replay mode is 30FPS for both games, my question was ..if that makes the game look a bit better, is it the same as in game, or if 30FPS is makes worse than 60FPS
October 1st, 2009
A game at 30fps will look better than one running at 60fps, but the 60fps will run smoother.
The better the in game graphics the worse the frames per second. Killzone 2 runs at 30fps for instance.
Thats why GT5 at 60fps and running at 1080p is such a feat.
October 1st, 2009
okey dokey
October 1st, 2009
“which background look more realistic with better lighting effects?”
Well I actually took the time to look at your Pic Comparison.
You really can’t be that blind? That Forza Shot looks amazing compared to GT5P
October 1st, 2009
I see many 2D trees in them both!!
I think they both look great but I prefer the art style of Forza. I just think GT is pushing alot of effort in the ‘car porn’ while the track in that image does look a little sterile.
I would like to see the *same* track in both games with screenies taken in the same locations to make a fair comparison tho.
October 1st, 2009
mmmm porn….
October 1st, 2009
kev – relax. Me mentioning the nazi thing was just poking fun, notice the winking smiley next to it.
October 2nd, 2009
“You really can’t be that blind? That Forza Shot looks amazing compared to GT5P”
The Forza one looks like a rainbow show…too darn colorful.
October 2nd, 2009
Well there you have it folks. Roca is officially someone that knows absolutely nothing about graphics and is no longer a source to be taken seriously.
October 2nd, 2009
Personally all I see is that all to familiar haze that seems to be in about almost every PS3 game.
October 2nd, 2009
“Well there you have it folks. Roca is officially someone that knows absolutely nothing about graphics and is no longer a source to be taken seriously.”
that comes from the person who admited being a 360 fanboy!….
haze…lol good one
October 2nd, 2009
Well X09 happened on Tuesday in Toronto and here is what a Journalist said about Forza.
Forza Motorsport 3
I didn’t see much of Microsoft’s new first-party racer—just a single, mountain-themed track and a handful of licensed cars—but I did get to experience firsthand one of the game’s more interesting (and, from what I can tell, least reported) features: Support for multiple displays. Allow me to elaborate.
The demo game pods were composed of expensive driving simulation chairs that were surrounded by a trio of screens. The centre one provided a traditional cockpit view while the right and left acted as side windows through which I could see the car’s mirrors and scenery whipping by.
Clearly, few people will be able to set up this sort of system in their home, and I haven’t the foggiest notion how to connect all three displays to one Xbox 360 console, but I was assured by Xbox Canada’s Craig Flannigan that you can do it with the standard retail game that goes on sale in late October, should you happen to have the means and desire.
(http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/controller-freak/hands-on-with-modern-warfare-2-and-splinter-cell-conviction-at-x09/article1306695/)
October 2nd, 2009
hows is you library of 2009 exclusive doing? still averaging 77.2?
October 2nd, 2009
this is nothing new…I believe Forza 2 was able to do the same…..nice try
October 2nd, 2009
Nice Try?
Did I miss something. I did not even know it could do that. I’m just putting out the imformation. God you are such a Troll.
October 2nd, 2009
Is there something wrong with being a Fanboy. You are obviously a PS3 Fanboy so what is the problem. Trolls!!!
October 2nd, 2009
Roca
I don’t have mindless time/resources to waste like you. The games this year is enough for me and I couldn’t care less about the crap that the PS3 has. I’m still going back because there are games to I have yet to play as well as the ones coming and basically I will never catch up and there are games that will just have to pass. I don’t run out and buy everything that drops on the market. I’m still having a blast with Gears 2 because I enjoy online games and a game like Gears has replay value because of it’s that great of a multiplayer. The same goes for Halo 3 or COD games and any game which has a good online play because people like me are still playing them long after the release because the games are just that great. So throw your list and flash your numbers because in the end it really does not matter. I just wanted to point that out to you because I don’t think you get it. You act like I’m going to convert or something. Number truly mean nothing it’s about your love for the game and online play increases that love that keeps me in the game.
October 2nd, 2009
keep going backk all the way to NES days…it seem you have missed alot for being a blind fanboy with passion
October 2nd, 2009
good thing to know but bough a $300 – Plus system to only play two games online (online = $50 more). and on both you are basically just doing the same..killing other players, dying and respawning
October 2nd, 2009
Yeah but it so much fun especially when your playing with your friends.
October 2nd, 2009
I’m sure L4D2 will raise that average up slightly Roca. Ratchet and Clank will do likewise for the PS3.
October 2nd, 2009
@CAD
Im glad to hear that at least you are having fun with them.
Phranc!, forgot about God of War Collection?
October 2nd, 2009
Roca
I figured it wouldn’t count in the “Reviews”
I’m looking forward to the GOW collection even more so than some of the new releases.
October 2nd, 2009
since all other re-releases counted, why GoW collection wouldnt count.
all the PSP remakes counted for the PSP,
ex. Disggaea, Castlevania, Final Fantasy Tactics etc.
Xbox and PS3, Sega Genesis Collection, Namco Museum, Ninja Gaiden Sigma etc
October 2nd, 2009
I played a 4-way game of Goldeneye on the orginal n64 last night. A friend brought over his old console with all the controllers (5 broken ones, 3 good ones, 1 dying thumb stick that we took turns using) and, all of us being over 30, and having done this exact thing in our later teens, made it one of the most memorable gaming experiences I have had in a good long time.
Since well before this gen of consoles, anyhow.
October 2nd, 2009
Roca
Trust me I try to play other games but as soon as I go online I got people messaging me to come play Gears. So basically most of my collection gets ignored because I choose my friends most of the time.
October 2nd, 2009
@Jofa – Awesome.
I still remember wasting hours playing my old favorite – proximity mines only.
I used to love the glitch in golden eye that allowed you to hold two different guns at the same time
October 3rd, 2009
THe Golden gun was the best
October 3rd, 2009
h**p://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17864923&postcount=12637
October 3rd, 2009
Yeah, we played both golden gun and proximity matchs, we plan on doing it again this weekend sometime.
October 3rd, 2009
Damn, nice SS find Roca. Those are jaw dropping.
October 3rd, 2009
those are fresh out the box…lol
PD just released those *new* SS of GT5
October 4th, 2009
It kind of blows my mind that they have the 458 Italia in there. It was only revealed officially about 2 months ago, so PD must have some excellent access, hah. But we knew that already. A quick google search didn’t reveal anything more than unofficial car lists of FM3, but none of these have the 458 Italia listed (the replacement for the F430).
October 5th, 2009
I played the Forza demo today, and I gotta say! that game feels more like an arcade game than anything else.
tell me why I ran under a car which was rolling on top of my hood…. and every time I was going to fast my car started jumping. the cockpit cam looks horrible. and the tracks were too colorful. I didn’t see any option to to use “the right stick” instead of the left and right trigger….what can I say, there goes my hope of getting a 360 soon. mayb alan wake will do it!
on the side note…I was playing GT PSP and a AI burned me with a porshe. does that means GT5 is going to have some porshe?
October 5th, 2009
@Roca,
Just pick up Alan Wake on the PC if it turns out to not be a dud.
October 5th, 2009
hey Phranc,
So the Porshe I was talking about in GT PSP was under the name of RUF (h**p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile).
Rufs are built from unmarked Porsche bodies and chassis. RUF is the biggest company to make Porsche tune-ups/
so at least there are some Porshe-type of cars in GT
October 5th, 2009
so…RUF is basically the motorsport arm of Porsche. even though RUF is a seperate car company alltogether!
RUF is the most famous tuning company for Porsche’s. RUF take a Porsche and then refine, lighten and tune just about every component. we can say Porsche made the pizza base but RUF added the topping!
I guess we got a better deal…right CON?
October 5th, 2009
I still can’t believe that the “Porsche point” being made around here is a viable argument. It smells of desperation whenever that point even comes up.
Do we have a list of cars that are in GT5 that aren’t in Forza 3? I’m sure it will be that….A list.
October 5th, 2009
Porsche has heavily supported RUF’s activities and business for a long time. Because of the strict constraints put on large automakers, RUF gets to do with Porsche what they couldn’t do themselves. They are not just a tuner, but a builder. RUF will not upgrade a 911 that you bring to them, but they will sell you one they built. They get all the hardware from porsche, and they are created from the ground up, as Roca said, improving on everything they can improve upon.
It is a desperate argument, easily counterd with Ferrari Italia 458 (I’ll take a next gen super ferrari + RUF over Porsche stockies anyday, hah). Game, set, match.
October 5th, 2009
jofa – the 458 Italia has already been announced coming to forza 3 via d/l by greenawalt.
roca – “every time I was going to fast my car started jumping.”….priceless…lmao…
i won’t explain this to you, just remember you said it. thanks.
October 5th, 2009
Thanks, I couldn’t find it through google when i was searching for Forza 3 car lists. DLC is good enough, I guess.
Yeah, I noticed the aerodynamic lift effect at speed (and the jumping associated with it), on cars that supposedly have efficient downforce. Not simulation quality, but perhaps the demo doesn’t have downforce enabled?
October 5th, 2009
@Jofa
you those DLC cost money on a M$ console. (and most likely kev is lying again)
but yeah on the “aerodynamic lift effect” or whatever that was…it was unrealistc and it kind of ruined the racing experience for me, I could not go fast enough when my car started bouncing from the rear. then I ran under a car which was rolling on top of my hood (and the physics felt flat). the cockpit look horrible. dirt on the car seems to be a whole bunch of lil black “dots”….the whole sreen look too colorful to even be compare to real life. and no optiong to use the right stick accelerate and break? if you buying a 360 because of this game you will feel very dissapointed when GT5 comes out. I will recommend to buy GT PSP instead.
October 5th, 2009
He isn’t lying this time, I googled “458 Italia Forza 3″ and got an article about the announcement (and that it will be DLC).
I will decide once I play the full version. The demo might not be a fair representation (they rarely are) but other than the seeming lack of downforce, it was a solid drive. I mean, a 1995 saleen mustang will hop around pretty violently at over 100+ mph, but automakers have learned to curb that sort of behaviour, through IRS and advanced aerodynamic tricks to produce downforce while decreasing drag.
October 5th, 2009
I know real cars might hop a bit, but in FM3 they were bouncing from the rear. Full version might alot more options, tracks, feature…but I dont think the driving physics will change that much!.
did you got to use the cockpit? what a joke…useless
October 5th, 2009
Yeah, it is pretty low-rent. Considering that is my preferred POV in GT5p, it is a big score against FM3. Again, the full version may be better.
October 5th, 2009
well…lets just hope the demo it is just a bad version of the full game
October 5th, 2009
I hope so, as competition is always best. If Forza3 can’t compete, where will the motivation for future titles come from? (besides Kaz’s OCD dedication to detail, of course)
October 5th, 2009
That dude can really make stuff look beyong anybody’s expectation. I want to see some Nascar Screen shot
October 5th, 2009
Ill leave the whole uber 1080p gt5 graphics thing until a 3rd party has a nice 1080p feed on thier site (IGN, gamespot etc etc.)…
Anything released from the company making the game can’t be trusted imo. I’m not saying they’re flat out ‘liars’, but its not hard for them to ‘fine tune’ a screenshot here and there…
October 5th, 2009
Well GT5:P look pretty amazing as it is.
October 8th, 2009
kaz has gone public stating that the damage in GT5’s Rally and NASCAR
October 8th, 2009
(continued)…should be “perfect”.
i can’t wait to see what Kaz defines as “perfect” damage. ooo…exciting indeed…
October 8th, 2009
but wait..there’s more insanity from the creators of GT5…
today Kaz Y/PD stated that gt5 is “better than reality”.
congrats…the only sim that brags about super-reality….
oh yeah, GT5 fans…the “real driving simulator”…gawd..lmao..
October 8th, 2009
we should expect nothing less
October 9th, 2009
roca – i’m glad you feel this way..
what are you going to say when it’s proven to NOT be “perfect”?
will you finally admit Kaz is a professional liar? or do you want to swing from sony’s nuts even more even after being lied to?
what exactly is “better than reality” in a simulator? oh, kaz..you stupid hype-machine…lmao..
October 9th, 2009
who said FM3 was the defenitetive racing game and that Forza 3 was 10 years ahead of the compentition, thats the biggest liar in my book, you are second
October 9th, 2009
actually, forza 3 has gameplay not found in any other racing games. Turn 10 simply told the truth. The reason why they’re not liars (like you) is that they explained why they are so innovative. You don’t explain anything….
so…i’m still waiting for your response when Kaz is found to be a liar by claiming GT5 is “perfect”…
October 12th, 2009
…and Roca runs from the truth once again….. lmao..
October 12th, 2009
im still here,
actually I played Forza 3 demo and the same gameplay can be found in many games. for example NFS, Burnout, GTA, Destruction Derby, Twisted Metal, Full Auto, F-Zero, Excited Truck, Test Drive, Driver.
Forza is uniqe because it managed to be all those game in one….. mean while GT = Real Driving Sim.
October 13th, 2009
roca – the fact you claim it has the same gameplay as those arcade racers proves you have not played forza 3.
i’ll add this to the pile of lies you’ve told already…
GT, according to Kaz the creator, isn’t even calling GT5 driving sim anymore. he’s calling it “better than reality”… ie; arcade… sorry….
October 13th, 2009
roca – show me any game that uses a separate physics engine just for the tire physics, as seen in Forza 3.
i’ll wait… just the name of a game… no excuses…no nonsense posts…no lies… just a name…
thanks.
October 13th, 2009
my answer: none
but GT still plays better.
“GT, according to Kaz the creator, isn’t even calling GT5 driving sim anymore. he’s calling it “better than reality”… ie; arcade… sorry….”
why changing what Kaz said… he said GT5’s car look better than reality” which doesnt have anything to do with the driving (at which Forza 3 play in a more arcady/bouncing cars kind of way)
October 13th, 2009
roca – then you admit you’re full of crap then by claiming forza is simply those arcade racer rolled into one…
thanks for admitting you lied. there may be hope for you yet…
there is no such thing as “better than reality” when it comes to graphics….
you only believe gt plays better because you’ve never spent any time with any forza games apparently…
the gaming site agree… Forza is the king of driving physics.
October 13th, 2009
“thanks for admitting you lied. there may be hope for you yet…”
an opinion is not lying Kev
“the gaming site agree… Forza is the king of driving physics.”
only in your world
October 14th, 2009
ROCA – You said the gameplay was the same as those arcade racers.
i had no idea i was conversing with a kid. I really thought you were an adult. my bad.
from your other posts, i see you still live at home with your parents and sibling.
come back when you’ve had more time behind the wheel of a real car. Thanks for proving my theory that the only people that think GT is closer to reality than Forza are kids who don’t drive, or haven’t driven for long.
“only in your world”? really… the King of physics quote was taken directly from EGM and 1up.com…not me….ouch…
October 14th, 2009
how old are you kev?
October 26th, 2009
Forza SUCK