Is Netflix on PS3 using disc due to Xbox 360 exclusivity contract?

October 27, 2009

Is Netflix on PS3 using disc due to Xbox 360 exclusivity contract? Last night Sony dropped a mega bombshell on its blog announcing what many have been speculating for some time – Netflix support for the PS3. Up until now the Xbox 360 has been the only console on the block to get Netflix. Interestingly, the fact that the PS3 needs to use a blu-ray disc to stream movies may have something to do with the Xbox 360 exclusive agreement.

Last night on the official Playstation blog, Steve Swasey, VP of Communications for Netflix dropped by to announce that the PS3 would be getting Netflix support. Speculation and rumors persisted since late last year when Microsoft first announced the Netflix service. However, things really started heating up when Netflix recently announced that another game console device with an existing install base would be getting the service.

Despite the fact I was expecting this to happen, I still find myself surprised by the announcement. I might have been thrown off a little because Microsoft touted Netflix exclusivity for the Xbox 360 recently at E3. According to Swasey, the service will be available for the PS3 starting next month. Apparently the service will initially kick off with Netflix sending out a free blu-ray disc to any PS3 owner interested in subscribing to the service (existing customers as well).

The free blu-ray disc contains software that will activate the Netflix user interface on the PS3. Apparently, users will need to pop in the disc when wanting to stream movies on the PS3 initially. According to G4TV, Sweeny confirmed that Netflix is working on developing the embedded solution that the Xbox 360 have and should be released shortly after. PS3 owners will be able to enjoy the same HD and SD streaming quality videos Xbox 360 owners have been experiencing through Netflix.

It seems like Netflix wanted to get this service out to PS3 owners as fast as possible. However, I suspect this is a temporary solution that circumvents the exclusivity contract between Microsoft and Netflix. The reason why it took Netflix so long to bring this service to the PS3 could possibly be due to developing a new technology or middleware then what is being used on the Xbox 360. When G4TV asked this exact question to Sweeny, he would not comment on the matter. However, he did state that this was the “fastest and easiest way to get PlayStation 3 members now.”

When I initially reviewed the service on the Xbox 360 I had two harsh criticisms:

- You have to go to a computer and queue up movies to watch on the Xbox 360 (this has now been fixed)

- Streaming movies are limited to older movies and not the latest releases

As someone that watches all of the latest movies Netflix streaming movies have very little appeal. However, I already went on to the PS3 Netflix signup page for the free disc (here). I will be reviewing the service again for the PS3 once it comes out next month.

215 Responses to “Is Netflix on PS3 using disc due to Xbox 360 exclusivity contract?”

  1. Ivan_PSP:

    Netflix is something i don’t care about.

  2. Rhino:

    Don’t think this is available in the land downunder. Besides till there is better broadband infrastructure discs will still be the way to go.

  3. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    haha xbox is all about TIMED shit….lmao=)

  4. Saber_HAHAha:

    My internet is shite, so I probably won’t be able to stream HD movies. If it streams blu-ray, I couldn’t imagine how long it would take for me. I usually just rent or buy blu-ray movies. I’m not very short on money, just short on time.

  5. Ghost:

    EXCLUSIVELY ON X-BOX 360 lmao…..well not anymore. I bet M$ paid alot of cash to keep netflix to themselves but it really was only a matter of time before Sony pulled some ninja moves and got a piece of it also…Hell netflix will be laughing all the way to the bank from both corps now.

  6. CarlB:

    “well not anymore.”

    Well, not yet. As I’ve said before we’ll have to see if it is of the same quality as XBL Gold Streaming if it does come out. If it is, I’d be surprised if Microsoft doesn’t have something else to counter. In any case, I’ve been enjoying it already for the better part of a year on 360 already.

  7. Ivan_PSP:

    CarlB:
    The quality is going to be awesome I’m very sure. Sony’s known from great servers well i guess is Netflix server that mean but still i think they will pull through. I wish it was something better then Netflix. Sony needs to get Blockbuster too if they can.

    I’m currently without anything to play games other then my PSP, i don’t have an Xbox 360 or a working PLAYSTATION 3 anymore. Just cash what to buy?

  8. Roca.:

    WOW…Netflix is really coming to the PS3, I though Ivan was just joking around.

    but I had the same problem with netflix as Mike stated:

    “- Streaming movies are limited to older movies and not the latest releases. As someone that watches all of the latest movies Netflix streaming movies have very little appeal”

    I believe the quality should fall under your internet connection and the Netflix servers. since Netflix is not tied to the PSN or XBL servers

  9. phranctoast:

    I personally believe Sony shouldn’t bother and instead come out with their own Streaming/downloadable service as they already have the studio support. Charge similar with a subscription.

    This is one of my biggest problems with Sony. It seems like their divisions don’t speak.

    With Sony’s movies and music there should absolutely be a music and movie service on the psn, and it should have existed years ago.

    Its straight up embarrassing that MS beat them to this when they own the music and movies themselves.

  10. Ivan_PSP:

    Roca.:
    Nah i don’t joke about PlayStation related stuff never.

    To my PSN buddies:
    Also I’ll be back in mid November just sold my PS3 to buy the same one but new at a lower price. I could play on my other PS3 but i have no extra controller and i cannot exchange my hard drive with that PS3 since that 80GB HDD the nail is mess up. I got $350 to get a PS3.

  11. Ivan_PSP:

    phranctoast:
    I know Sony should include a their own music store, movie store and application store since PS3 is made on Linux. Netflix is not that big deal anyways i like my movies in crystal clear 1080p resolution.

  12. Roca.:

    I hope you know how to “deactive” your system before you sell them..dont be surprise if one day you CANT download anything have already purchase on you PSN account

  13. CarlB:

    “but I had the same problem with netflix as Mike stated: ‘- Streaming movies are limited to older movies and not the latest releases.’”

    Yes, roca and mike, you can watch the very latest releases on the discs that come with the deal through the mail in a very short period of time. You can watch entire seasons of Lost, Dexter, etc. in HD streaming… many times even the latest released seasons and movies (though movies are more rare, again, just watch them on the disc that already comes with the deal).

  14. Happyhockum:

    Ivan_PSP:

    “The quality is going to be awesome I’m very sure”

    Bye-bye Blu-ray.

    The interesting things will be what happens when Silverlight 3 fully rolls out.

    Whether anyone will see or care about the slight image quality difference (or the audio difference) is the big question.

    My bet is most will not notice the audio (because most have not and never will drop the necessary amount of $ on the HD receiver & speaker package to even hear it).

    As for image?
    MP3 already shows us convenience is more important.
    Besides huge numbers couldn’t care less and still happily buy DVD.
    They (assuming they are one of the minority with an HD TV) will see a visual improvement anyways.

  15. phranctoast:

    I don’t put this in the same category as pysical media. The things I’d rent on Netflix are movies/shows I already had no plans on purchasing. And remember…It’s a rental service. Rental services have been around for a while and VHS/DVD/and blu ray continue to sell. Your argument is getting stale Happy. You seem dead set on the death of blu ray. Don;t you understand that some people actually like to own stuff?

    Wow…people still buy video games when you can rent them…..

    I see the netflix option as a good way to catch up with shows I missed the first season, and would like to try and catch up with. I had it before and I had my isses with them, but Ill give it another try. Probably next year though.

  16. Akaro:

    Does the PS3 need this? I didn´t see this one coming. Moreover, someone at Seeking Alpha made me think it was coming to Wii XD.

  17. Roca.:

    nicely input phranc!

  18. CAD:

    Well there is another I wanna be an 360 copy from Sony yet again. What’s next? Let me guess Facebook, Twitter, Last.fm, Sky TV, Canal +, 1080P Movie Streaming, Pary Chat, Cross Game chat, Reviews, Indie Games.

    Mike and Dave you need a surve on what will be the next service/idea Sony takes from Microsoft.

    My guess is Cross game chat because that is what was said to be coming in the next I wanna Be a 360 update aka 3.? from Sony

  19. phranctoast:

    I’ve been participating in this argument from the beginning and by watching it digress as been entertaining. The real thing to note, is these haters will never like Blu ray.

    First it was the HDDVD vs Blu ray argument. Boy are they still bitter from that.
    That included prices of Blu ray hardware and software.

    Than we hear about market penetration from a product thats fairly new vs one that existed a lot longer.. Thats always a doozy

    I love the people don’t have HDTV’s argument. That one has to be my favorite.

    One thing to take note of. They will always hate blu ray for the reason Happy said before. It’s associated with Sony and its used to create barriers between the PS3 vs 360 people. I’m surprised the 360 doesn’t have a blu ray add on by now.

  20. Roca.:

    why does it bother you so much CAD, please explain?

  21. Happyhockum:

    phranctoast

    “I’m surprised the 360 doesn’t have a blu ray add on by now”

    You kidding, surely?
    The Blu-ray gang have been doing their best to push for that one since before HD DVD disappeared.
    It’s not going to happen.

    Why would Microsoft pay the BDA a dime in royalties when it has every incentive not to – not to mention alternatives suited to the mass-market.

    This is not about “hate”.
    This is about recognising the single-minded greed which drove the industry off of a cliff pursuing this idiotic format which was always about them maximising their interests and absolutely not the consumers.
    Just because they chose wrong is no reason for the consumer to embrace a format fundamentally designed to hike prices & remove freedoms we already had (or were about to have – think managed copy and BD+)
    They made their bed.

  22. phranctoast:

    @CAD.
    facebook is a MS product, and it’s retarded. please keep it. I can get facebook on my Verizon box. who cares.
    twitter is actually dumber than facebook. Kind of amazing.

    oh btw. Cross game chat was in Xfire. So live took some third party ideas.

    I’m still trying to figure out how one of the richest companies out there doesn’t copy the few feature that dwarfs all 360 features combined.

    free online
    and dedicated servers for 1st party titles.

  23. phranctoast:

    “Why would Microsoft pay the BDA a dime in royalties when it has every incentive not to – not to mention alternatives suited to the mass-market.”

    Then why use Netflix at all. That goes for both of them. Ms wrote compression code for the transfer of HD media through broadband. One would think they would use that instead of Netflix. All i’m saying is, MS went away from their normal expected route, so a blu ray device to offer to their customers and to take one of the prominent bullet points away from the PS3 would appear as a good idea.

  24. phranctoast:

    “This is not about “hate”.
    This is about recognising the single-minded greed which drove the industry off of a cliff pursuing this idiotic format which was always about them maximising their interests and absolutely not the consumers.
    Just because they chose wrong is no reason for the consumer to embrace a format fundamentally designed to hike prices & remove freedoms we already had (or were about to have – think managed copy and BD+)
    They made their bed.”

    That appears like a whole bunch of hate…lmao. Only thing missing was a couple of expletives.

  25. Roca.:

    “This is about recognising the single-minded greed which drove the industry off of a cliff pursuing this idiotic format which was always about them maximising their interests and absolutely not the consumers”

    so Happy….what happens when you like a movie so much that you just cant help the feel to own it(physically)???

    I thought some of you were criticizing the PSP for dishing the UMD..but now some of you criticizing the PS3 for NOT dishing the only physical HD format. make up ur mind ppl!!!! this is ridiculous

  26. CAD:

    Roca

    Lets say the PS3 came out first and that the people in charge were innovative and brought out ideas and services and made the PS3 a wonderful experience. Then lets say the 360 came along and saw what the PS3 was doing and instead of being it’s own system with it’s own unique features and service that it went along and coppied every feature and service down to the tee. How whould you feel about that.

  27. CAD:

    So basically besides a few games what should I really get a PS3 for? I keep looking at it and it looks like a 360 to me in every way. That’s why if I was to ever get a second system I would buy a Wii.

  28. Ivan_PSP:

    LMFAO

  29. phranctoast:

    @CAD

    I believe it was called the Xbox… lol

    to be fair, Some features that were mentioned for Home ended up in NXE.

  30. phranctoast:

    “So basically besides a few games what should I really get a PS3 for? I keep looking at it and it looks like a 360 to me in every way. That’s why if I was to ever get a second system I would buy a Wii.”

    Kind of my issue with getting a 360. The biggest difference is the games that I like the most on the 360 just end up on the PC anyway or on the PS3 is six months.

  31. Roca.:

    “How whould you feel about that”

    I wouldnt feel anything…I let them worry and have headaches about it while we the consumers benefit from companies unsing ideas from others…its been that way for many years CAD. somebody invented the cigarretts but now you see other selling with all kinds of flavors/sizes/and all other good stuff

  32. CAD:

    Phranctoast

    Exactly, But I gotta give it to the 360 because they do it first while the PS3 usually waits for games/services and they are not the ones copying service for service so who really deserves the attention/respect for keeping the gamer in mind. and I hate PC gaming so I don’t bother with that.

  33. phranctoast:

    Cad.

    Its a double edged sword. While MS buys up third party exclusive deals getting games quicker to their fanbase, its at the expense of having very few first party companies making games for them.

    PC gaming aint bad. It works well if you already have a decent PC already. I kind of like how L4D wasnt too graphically demanding on my PC. Although at first due to poor optimization Gears had some issues.

  34. Happyhockum:

    phranctoast

    Then by your standard any reasoned objection is merely “hate”.

    I guess that is about as reasonable an explaination of why the Blu-ray/PS3 gang rush to label anything but the mnost supine support as ‘hate’ and those making any sort of contrary comment as ‘haters’ as we’re going to get.

    Thanks for that.

    You’ve still to explain why Microsoft (or anyone for that matter) should help in establishing a niche video format.
    6%.
    Why on earth would they lift a finger to help one of their main competitors ring-fence video to their proprietary (& expensive in terms of royalties) format?

    If Blu-ray had quickly leapt to something like 20% or 25% and was demonstrating fast growth you might have a point.
    But it isn’t.
    6% as we move into the 4th year.

  35. ToshithegreaT:

    “Lets say the PS3 came out first and that the people in charge were innovative and brought out ideas and services and made the PS3 a wonderful experience. Then lets say the 360 came along and saw what the PS3 was doing and instead of being it’s own system with it’s own unique features and service that it went along and coppied every feature and service down to the tee. How whould you feel about that.”

    @CAd

    My thoughts exactly.. Anyway CAD i think its good for us that sony keeps lagging behing copying features one after another, coz this will keep microsoft on its heel, and it will benefit all gamers..

  36. phranctoast:

    “Then by your standard any reasoned objection is merely “hate”.”

    Read what you wrote and try to see it as anything more than “I hate Sony”
    it’s clear as day.
    Not one of you objections is prominent today. BD+ exists and Managed copy was a dream that never came to fuition. Kind of HDDVD’s wishful thinking.
    Sony didn’t force anything on people. The movie studios were behind the end of HDDVD as much. Why would they want you to be easily pirating their movies. Thats why blu ray had the studio support and thats why they had the market penetration and overall win. Please don’t compare prices now. Prices are down. HDDVD used DVD tech.

  37. Roca.:

    Happy: “You’ve still to explain why Microsoft (or anyone for that matter) should help in establishing a niche video format.
    6%.”

    well is your infamous stand alone BD player, did you just buy and player for a “niche” format? because I bought my PS3 mainly for the games…now are you going to call that “niche” too?

    you can call it niche, 6% or w.e you want there are still more BD player around the world than 360s. somebody is enjoy it (not you) and somebody is making money out of it (not MS) and thats why you hate on it. just quit the argument.

    leave it to Happy to bring the BD argument back

  38. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    “what happens when you like a movie so much that you just cant help the feel to own it(physically)???”

    You mean what happens when I want to buy a particular movie to own and keep?

    I can either download it as a full rip or an encodse or if I want the retail item I have no choice other than to buy the Blu-ray.
    What did you think happens?

    For instance I’m buying Heat next month when it comes out in the UK (for £11 = $18 US = $19.60 AUS).

    None of that makes Blu-ray any less anti-consumer.

    UMD?
    Well it was/is another stupid Sony proprietary format that bombed badly and was picked up by no-one else.
    The complaint about PSP Go is that it has lost functionality and is an even worse deal.
    That has nothing to do with the merits of the video format used which is a seperate issue.

    What’s ridiculous here how you invariably seem incapable of making the most basic distinctions between subjects and can always be relied upon to confuse and generalise to the point of nonsense.

  39. Ivan_PSP:

    Ignorant, oblivious, denial, obsession, bitterness, jealousy, biased and lies.

  40. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    Once again you can’t make the distinction.

    I bought my multi-format high def player knowing the formats (both of them) were never going to ‘become the next DVD’.

    I was fully aware that they were and would remain niche.
    That’s a perfectly consistent position to take.

    What is not is the pretense that Blu-ray is set to be ‘the next DVD’ and to PR on that basis.

    6% is a fact btw, nothing to do with my invention.

    “More Blu-ray players than Xboxes”?

    Given that the vast majority of those players are in fact PS3s that is not such a great boast.

    As for bringing in the blu-ray argument, well, you are aware of the thread topic, huh?
    It is kind of heavily related.

    (except to you, as usual)

  41. phranctoast:

    “UMD?
    Well it was/is another stupid Sony proprietary format that bombed badly and was picked up by no-one else.”

    why would it be picked up by anyone else. It was good for one product. Why didn’t anyone “pick up” the Gamecubes proprietary format?

  42. Happyhockum:

    Ivan

    Lying, fantastist, bull$hitting, boastful, laughable, deluded, condescending a$$hole.

    Tell us about how you got Sony to sell you a Vaio in June 2009 with a 500gb SSD built into it.

    LMAO

  43. Happyhockum:

    phrancrtoast

    GameCube was not trying to be a mass-market video format.

    Come on, get off of it, that’s about as feeble an argument as it gets.

    Sony were (once again) trying to push their own proprietary cr@p and ended up (once again) as theonly ones using it until it died a quiet death.

  44. Ivan_PSP:

    UMD brings back memory to HD-DVD but not bad ones. Microsoft needed to use HD-DVD at least for games so even thought it fail as the new movie standard it would had help them in their console by not needing to split games in to 2 3 or 4 disc. DVD is way too outdated for everyone wit a HDTV.

  45. Ivan_PSP:

    phranctoast:
    Let me know if you getting MAG i thinking of pre-ordering the game now.

  46. phranctoast:

    “phrancrtoast
    GameCube was not trying to be a mass-market video format.
    Come on, get off of it, that’s about as feeble an argument as it gets.
    Sony were (once again) trying to push their own proprietary cr@p and ended up (once again) as theonly ones using it until it died a quiet death.”

    If it was trying to be a mass market video format, than why only offer it in one device. It seems to me like they were using the games format for portable movies as well. Giving their customers a portable movie options that didn’t require piracy.

  47. ToshithegreaT:

    @ same as memory duo, betamax, sdds (sony Dynamic Digital Sound), SACD.

  48. phranctoast:

    ahhhh Sony hate. I missed you.

  49. Roca.:

    Happy “Given that the vast majority of those players are in fact PS3s that is not such a great boast.”

    but yet you still have a stand alone.

    Happy ““More Blu-ray players than Xboxes”?

    Given that the vast majority of those players are in fact PS3s that is not such a great boast.”

    but yet no one is calling the 360 a nice even with lower % of market share and no chance to catch the PS2 ( since you are comparing DVD vs BD)

  50. Roca.:

    “UMD?
    Well it was/is another stupid Sony proprietary format that bombed badly and was picked up by no-one else”

    so can you say the same about the 360 HDD and the DS cartridge?

  51. ToshithegreaT:

    mini-disc too..

    I dont hate Sony..

  52. phranctoast:

    I don’t believe the 6%. Is that only in NA? In japan Blu ray penetration is astounding. Of course it’s been out longer there.

  53. Ivan_PSP:

    All film use Sony Dynamic Digital Sound. Also Sony Develop the Compact Disc with Philips.

  54. Roca.:

    hey Phranc..

    can you explain me why the upcoming Brutal Legend DCL is going to be $5.00 (400 MP)on XBL and free ($0.00) on the PSN? can you come up with a explaination ;)

    I guess paying for Gold is not good even for free DLCs

  55. ToshithegreaT:

    “Tears of the Hextadon will be available on Xbox Live on November 3rd for 400 MS Points and on PlayStation Network(R) on November 5th, where the two-map pack will be downloadable for free until November 19th, then costing $4.99 after November 19th.”

    http://worthplaying.com/article/2009/10/27/news/69722/

  56. Roca.:

    joystick has a different article then

  57. Roca.:

    http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/27/first-brutal-legend-dlc-dated-nov-3-initially-free-on-ps3/

  58. Roca.:

    http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/games/b/brutal-legend/free-brutal-legend-dlc-on-ps3-paid-for-on-360-$1337063.htm

  59. Roca.:

    http://www.vg247.com/2009/10/27/brutal-legend-dlc-hitting-in-november-free-on-psn-through-the-19th/

  60. Arvis:

    Why is Netflix streaming even anything worth talking about? Are there really not enough video games to occupy all of your time? How much free time do you people have??

    Oh, hope everyone is doing well. :)

    -Arvis

  61. Roca.:

    I can keep going… let me know when to stop…thanks Toshi but I asked Phranc

  62. Roca.:

    Arvis s back!

    I agreen I dont even have time to watch the playoff

  63. Ivan_PSP:

    Arvis:
    I know Netflix sucks, irather be enjoying all our new exclusives instead.

  64. ncaissie:

    I’m not paying for something I can get free with the same quality.

  65. Roca.:

    http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3176657

  66. phranctoast:

    I’d say greed Roca

  67. Ivan_PSP:

    ncaissie:
    PS3 owners i guess we glad to have NETFLIX we just don’t care much for it. PS3 owners i think love watching movies from the PSN store or just Blu-ray Disc.

  68. CAD:

    “Anyway CAD i think its good for us that sony keeps lagging behing copying features one after another, coz this will keep microsoft on its heel, and it will benefit all gamers..”

    Toshi

    Well your right about that. I just don’t understand why people will choose the system that copies and has no innovation. Does a company like that even deserve respect?

  69. SW:

    ‘Does a company like that even deserve respect?’

    So you know the 360 is made by Microsoft right?

    Just sayin’…

    ;)

  70. Happyhockum:

    Precisely ToshithegreaT.

    phranctoast

    Yes the 6% is NA.
    It’s the largest and oldest HD market in the west.
    Japan is and always will be an oddball example given the way the CE industry is largely based there.

    In Europe and the UK we are so much further behind the US (we took years to go HD TV.

    Roca
    “but yet you still have a stand alone”

    Completely missing the point yet again.

    You might like to try that last para in English Roca/Ivan.

    What is an “Xbox HDD”?
    It’s only a Western Digital 2.5″ HDD (as if this hasn’t been spelt out to you enough, shill.

  71. ToshithegreaT:

    “I can keep going… let me know when to stop…thanks Toshi but I asked Phranc”

    What kind of a moranic reply was that.. did u go thru wht i wrote there, give it a go again.. and again Dont think too much, it will hurt ur “KNEE”

  72. ToshithegreaT:

    Lol didnt wanted to say bthat, but cmae off as an idiot there.. u didnt read what i posted there, and kept on spamming thinking u scored..

  73. ToshithegreaT:

    “I’m not paying for something I can get free with the same quality.”

    As if u were going to get gold membership anyway !! lol

  74. Roca.:

    “What is an “Xbox HDD”

    its propetary and its only good for one system/

    “You might like to try that last para in English Roca/Ivan.”

    funny when you dont have an argument anymore you turn to lil stuff like a “typo” (I mispelled “niche” and it came out as “nice”)

    Leave it to happy to bring an argument about a typo.

  75. Roca.:

    Toshi,

    I read what you wrote:

    “Tears of the Hextadon will be available on Xbox Live on November 3rd for 400 MS Points and on PlayStation Network(R) on November 5th, where the two-map pack will be downloadable for free until November 19th, then costing $4.99 after November 19th.”

    it would have been better if you wrote it this way:
    “where the two-map pack will be downloadable for free *only on the PSN* until November 19th, then costing $4.99 after November 19th.”

  76. Happyhockum:

    There is no such thing as an Xbox HDD, there is an enclosure for the 2.5″ western digital hard drive.

    There’s a difference.
    A difference you know about because it has been explained to you several times before
    (and for those that missed it or would like to see it here it is again – w.pcworld.com/article/150970/upgrade_your_xbox_360s_hard_drive_on_the_cheap.html) .

    But I guess telling the truth spoils you daily shill-the-PS3 job you’re here to do every day.

  77. ToshithegreaT:

    It was copy and paste work dude :)

  78. Roca.:

    Thanks Happy

    I can at least some one noticed that they were getting raped

    w.pcworld.com/article/150970/upgrade_your_xbox_360s_hard_drive_on_the_cheap.html

  79. Ivan_PSP:

    LoL, happyhockum is a whining little troll always bitching about Sony’s PlayStation 3 something he has never touch or used before. He is obsessed with all things Sony. He likes to brag about useless crap. You can tell that he already knows the PS3 is the superior console of choice and the only one that gives you the most for your money. But he is trying to denied all of it obvious TOOL. That’s why i just screen his useless pathetic moronic laughable post.

  80. CarlB:

    “I see the netflix option as a good way to catch up with shows I missed the first season, and would like to try and catch up with. I had it before and I had my isses with them, but Ill give it another try. Probably next year though.”

    People are still missing the point here… this streaming is at no extra charge to the old regular 1 at a time disc unlimited deal. Which means you get it in addition to the disc (dvd… bd is only slightly more) you already would be receiving at no extra charge. What this means is you can keep up with the latest movies and show released on dvd/blu-ray (many movies and shows still have not been released on blu-ray) and watch many seasons/movies online as well at anytime you want, and as much content as you want (and yes, many of these shows and movies were just released this year on DVD and Blu-ray and are now available in HD streaming).

  81. CON:

    “Ivan

    Lying, fantastist, bull$hitting, boastful, laughable, deluded, condescending a$$hole.

    Tell us about how you got Sony to sell you a Vaio in June 2009 with a 500gb SSD built into it.

    LMAO”

    @Happy

    I’ve just been following your debate with Ivan through the last few articles. Hilarious!

    @IVAN

    Happy is completely removed any credibility you had left on this site.

  82. CON:

    has*

  83. SW:

    You’re just jealous Ivan has technology connections…

    ;)

  84. CON:

    SW it eats me up inside lol

  85. Arvis:

    Ok then, I guess this subject really IS worth debating… although I still can’t imagine why… I’m lucky if I get to play video games one hour a day anymore. I can’t imagine getting bored with all the new games to the point where I need to stream the 1st season of Heroes just fill up all my time…

    -Arvis

  86. SW:

    Make sure that stream the 1st season ONLY.
    Before it began to suck balls.

  87. Ivan_PSP:

    SW:
    LoL, i hope not that would be just sad. I got nothing against happyhockum he just amazes how us on how far he willing to try to push anything Sony down.

  88. CON:

    SW agreed that show had so much potential after the first season.

    @IVAN

    You still haven’t explained your comments back in June! ;)

  89. Ivan_PSP:

    LoL i don’t have to. You Xbots would just push it back to 2007 or 2006.

  90. ToshithegreaT:

    “LoL, i hope not that would be just sad. I got nothing against happyhockum he just amazes how us on how far he willing to try to push anything Sony down.”

    Looks who’s talkin.. lol

  91. Rhino:

    @CAD “I just don’t understand why people will choose the system that copies and has no innovation. Does a company like that even deserve respect?”

    Mwahahahahahahhahahahahha man you crack me up. Really mate I asked you in a previous article to note something truly innovative about the 360, and I am yet to see to note something.

    Fucking fanboys.

  92. Happyhockum:

    Ivan

    Why would anyone do anything but hang you by your own words?

    You lied, you got totally sussed out, liar.

    Exibit A (11th Aug 2009) –

    http://gamer.blorge.com/2009/08/11/best-xbox-live-arcade-games-of-2009/

    Exibit B (17th june 2009) –

    http://gamer.blorge.com/2009/06/17/ps3-is-obviously-superior-to-the-xbox-360-from-a-technical-standpoint

    Your own words, nobody has to do anything but post your own blow-hard bull$hitting words back at you.

    You never answered my question Ivan……

    ….how laughably pathetic, grotesquely sad and ludicroulsly damaged and lacking in self-esteem do you have to be to go lying about what you (falsely) claim to own to a bunch of people you don’t even know on the net?

    Ivan = a proven liar, a credibility free bull$hitter, a joke (but sadly lacking in many laughs), a ludicrous blow-hard.

    You got caught out completely by yourself, idiot.

  93. Happyhockum:

    *Uh oh, looks like modding’s back on for naughty linkys, so here’s my post without the full addy (they’re only links to other posts within this site)*

    Ivan

    Why would anyone do anything but hang you by your own words?

    You lied, you got totally sussed out, liar.

    Exibit A (11th Aug 2009) –

    /gamer.blorge.com/2009/08/11/best-xbox-live-arcade-games-of-2009/

    Exibit B (17th june 2009) –

    /gamer.blorge.com/2009/06/17/ps3-is-obviously-superior-to-the-xbox-360-from-a-technical-standpoint

    Your own words, nobody has to do anything but post your own blow-hard bull$hitting words back at you.

    You never answered my question Ivan……

    ….how laughably pathetic, grotesquely sad and ludicroulsly damaged and lacking in self-esteem do you have to be to go lying about what you (falsely) claim to own to a bunch of people you don’t even know on the net?

    Ivan = a proven liar, a credibility free bull$hitter, a joke (but sadly lacking in many laughs), a ludicrous blow-hard.

    You got caught out completely by yourself, idiot.

  94. Ivan_PSP:

    LoL, this kid has no life he obviously needs to get a girl or a real life other then the obsession with me is weird and creepy wow.

  95. Happyhockum:

    Pathetic.

    But totally expected.

  96. MisterX:

    Like it or not it was microsoft that had hard drive on the original xbox in which ps2 started with their own hartd drive I believe with the final fantasy. The next thing they did was online broadband with their xbox also, which at the time dial up was popular. This was the time when ps2 already in the full maturity, In addition to that, xbox upped the graphic capability. I think mostof the features we see with the dashboard are mainly because MS listen to it’s member.

    Fast forward to the xbox 360, the first console with HD when hi-def is not even a word let alone tv. The reason why ms not adding blu ray add on because it was listed on the bottom.

    Now, what does sony bring to the table other than blu-ray.

  97. CarlB:

    and DRM

  98. CarlB:

    Also a top notch handheld gaming system and some very unique high quality exclusives well into next year.

  99. Rhino:

    @ MisterX
    Actually the PS2 HDD was release in July of 2001 while the original xbox was released in November of that year.

    The network adapter for the PS2 was released at the same time as the Hdd, so once again this was before the original xbox.

    While you probably are right about the graphic quality and HD, but that is more of an evolutionary thing more than innovation.

  100. Ivan_PSP:

    Rhino:
    I remember buying the hard disk drive for %50 off on eBay. I played FFXI a bit but it was too much $12.99 to continue so i cancel my obsession with the game damn. The original Xbox had a slight bit almost unnoticeable edge over the PS2 in graphics but not a single game worth buying other then Halo 2 and my favorite Counter-Strike with bots and finally the XBL free disc it was epic. I remember buy the PS2 Network Adapter second day after it came out. Also when Xbox Live came out it was the same time as GTA: Vie City so no one was really caring much for it.

  101. Roca.:

    Mister X “Like it or not it was microsoft that had hard drive on the original xbox in which ps2 started with their own hartd drive I believe with the final fantasy. The next thing they did was online broadband with their xbox also, which at the time dial up was popular. This was the time when ps2 already in the full maturity, In addition to that, xbox upped the graphic capability. I think mostof the features we see with the dashboard are mainly because MS listen to it’s member.

    Fast forward to the xbox 360, the first console with HD when hi-def is not even a word let alone tv. The reason why ms not adding blu ray add on because it was listed on the bottom.”

    sure..MS also invented the Internet, the RRoD, the E74, the “pay to play online” and all the other good stuff.

    PS3 was the first with HDMI, wi-fi, BD, web-browser, free online network, first with optical output, first to allow region free gaming.

    most of the stuff you mention for the 360 the PS2 and the PS3 already have…every single thing I mentioned is what the 360 is missing……go figure

  102. Happyhockum:

    …..and yet the Xbox has trounced the PS3 in overall sales.

    Ivan
    As if anyone believes a word you have to say about anything you claim to have had now.

  103. Roca.:

    “…..and yet the Xbox has trounced the PS3 in overall sales.”

    and yet the 360 still missing every single feature I listed. idc about sales but since you mentioned it last time I check I think somebody else was on top other than the Wii and somebody else was 3rd other than the PS3

  104. CAD:

    Rhino

    DO you really need to me to make a list. Come on you don’t know? If you really want I will. But just tell me your playing ignorant because a few have been mentioned in this thread already.

  105. CAD:

    The short answer Rhino is just turn on yoyr PS3. Your looking at it.

  106. MisterX:

    @Rhino

    Ps2 originally didn’t come with HDD only with final fantasy bundle then later sony added an add on pack. With ps2 slim the hdd was removed. Technically it’s an add on.

    @Ivan
    During the time when xbox 360 released wifi is not mainstream yet, and even with wireless it still is a wireless B or A, it’s pathetic imo.data thru put wise.

    RROD?! U seriously want to go there. Regardless MS know they screw up, at the very least they finally do what’s right which is to fix their product. How about sony who always consistently making you their product tester and empty promises or removing features etc. Isn’t that worse than RROD. XBOX live is constantlly added features that members requested. Bottom line xbox has priority over customer. What’s sony priority? Mini disc or UMD anyone?

  107. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    What are you blubbering about?
    As usual you list is full of inaccuracies and stuff nobody (but you fanboys) care about.

    Wi-fi?
    Xbox has it if you want it.
    I had it and got rid to go wired in fact. I had no need for wi-fi.

    HDMI?
    Xbox has HDMI.

    Web-browser?
    LMAO
    I’ll have a proper PC every day of the week in place of that silly kids toy.

    Free PSN?
    I don’t care.
    I’m happy to pay the few pennies a day for the superior XBL service.

    First with optical output?
    That’s simply wrong.

    Region free gaming?
    Like that means as much as region free movies.
    You still have NTSC & PAL locked machines.

    Blu-ray
    Anyone serious about a/v would go for a better stand-alone every day of the week.

    …..and the net result remains that the Xbox has trounced the PS3 in overall sales.

  108. Roca.:

    Mister Xbot:
    “During the time when xbox 360 released wifi is not mainstream yet”

    yet the DS and the PSP and most cellphones had Wi-fi capabilies already.

    Mr. Xbot:

    “What’s sony priority? ”
    whats MS priority? charging for free stuff. ass
    raping their costumer?

    Mrs. Xbot:

    “XBOX live is constantlly added features that members requested.”

    yeah like non-gaming features which include Facebook, twitter, Last.FM, and shit like those took keep you busy until their next good game. RFLMAOO

    M.X: “With ps2 slim the hdd was removed. Technically it’s an add on.”

    Helloo Xbox 360 Arcade?????

  109. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    You’re gurning whinging and wetting your panties over ‘issues’ in your own mind.

    Nobody cares about your daily PS3 shilling routine.

    The only fact that means much at the end of the day is that for all your whining –

    Xbox has trounced the PS3 in overall sales.

  110. Roca.:

    “Xbox has trounced the PS3 in overall sales.”

    susbtracting the first year sales for the 360….the PS3 has trounced the 360 in overall sales :)

  111. Happyhockum:

    Yeah, but you have to play around with the numbers and spin away.

    The fact remain Xbox has sold massively more than PS3.

    (and you can wheedle away like some sad politician until your fingers are worn down to the knuckle on this if you like but that fact stands)

  112. Arvis:

    “The fact remain Xbox has sold massively more than PS3.”

    I wouldn’t exactly call that a “fact.” Take out “massively,” and then you have yourself a bona-fide fact.

    Compared to what the PS1 and PS2 did, this generation is practically a draw. Which, personally, I think is healthier for the industry.

    -Arvis

  113. Roca.:

    the fact remains that the PS3 has sold massively more than the 360 during the same time frame (and ever since it came out)

  114. Happyhockum:

    Arvis

    Several million more units is pretty massive in my book.

    Roca

    No.
    You’re just stuck grasping your feeble starws like a clapped out saddo politician.

    The fact is Sony had a priceless ‘installed’ Playstation base & reputation and pi$$ed it all up the wall.

    The people buying in the 1st Xbox year chose to buy Xbox, not wait (like every PS fanzine was begging them) to buy the coming (eventually) PS3.

    Xbox has sold massively more than PS3, despite every advantage being with the Sony brand.

    But no doubt you’ll try and spin that away too.

  115. Roca.:

    it is stupid to compare numbers when on product has been out for longer.

    the 360 has decreased since the PS3 came out, that alone should tell you something (but the fanboy blinder dont let you see it). get you numbers right stop grasping straw to make one product look better than the other base on its one year advantage.

    tell how was the PS3 suppose to compete with 360 (in sales) when it wasnt even out. you dont need rocket science to see the truth.

    if you are unable to put up a fair argument (sales during the same timeframe) then why bother. because the one year ahead start for the 360 is the only thing keeping them in second place. was the 360 released the same year as the Wii and the PS3, base on number, they will be in 3rd place by a good 3-5M units

  116. JofaMang:

    The argument is also tainted (henhenheheheh i said taint) by the fact that the 360 sales lead was built without competition, where as the PS3 Timeframe sales superiority was with an established, game stocked console to sell against. Released at the same time, regardless of price, Sony would be ahead, if you chose to use some logic when looking at the sales numbers and environments they were achieved in.

    I have stated many times before that I don’t care who wins the console “war”, as both units are far past a Dreamcast scenario. Competition will keep us all happy, regardless of which console you own.

    BUT, I won’t sit by and let biased false arguments about sales be used by an Xbot to stroke his console peen with. It’s just silly, though not new or surprising.

  117. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    Yeah, Xbox is in 3rd placve, reality turned on its head by you PS3 fanboys, nothing surprising there.

    JofaMang

    You can’t see any merit in considering the huge brand Playstation was by that stage in this?
    Seriously?

  118. JofaMang:

    Happy

    You can’t see the merit in considering the huge brand Playstation was, and how that may have played a role in outselling the Xbox since it’s release, with a lesser games catalog and a higher initial price?

  119. Rhino:

    @CAD yeah I do want a list. You’re quite happy to sprout how innovative the 360 is, yet you are yet to actually provide a list.

    All you have done is make statements like “DO you really need to me to make a list” & “Come on you don’t know? If you really want I will”

    It interesting to note that you demand Mike or anyone here to clarify something, yet when someone here does it you do what you can to avoid the question. I have asked you numerous time to provide a list so just fucking do it.

    It interesting to note that you demand Mike or anyone here to clarify something, yet when someone here does it you do what you can to avoid the question.

  120. Happyhockum:

    JofaMang

    We’ve already done this one, there is in fact no proof of the sales numbers to establish the facts here, merely guesstimates based on outdated details.

    It’s pretty obvious that PS3 (like right now) had a few months boost in early/mid 2008.

    Nevertheless, Xbox has out-sold PS3 by a heavy margin in the US, UK & Europe according to the last numbers given.

    You can always tell the truth.
    If it really were so Sony would be PR’ing their sales advantage everywhere from morning til night.
    They aren’t.
    The best they have been able to come up with is some good numbers in Japan (since slim arrived) which are already now falling – /news.punchjump.com/blog/2009/09/18/ps3-slim-sales-fall-64-percent-in-japan/
    and the NPDs.

    If you want you can play the spin like a dreary politician but the hard fact is Xbox is many millions of units sold ahead.

    If Japan is any guide even the boost from the price-cut and the slim appearing is going to be very short-lived…..much more brief than anyone expected.
    This probably makes the Microsoft guy’s quip 100% accurate & right on the money.

  121. Happyhockum:

    Actually, my apologies, that report is inaccurately described.
    It refers to total PS3 sales which are really about the ‘fat’ PS3 sales falling off of a cliff.

    Even so PS3 slim sales have fallen back (just not by anything like as dramatic as 64%)

    /kotaku.com/5372518/japan-console-war-sees-ps3-sales-slim-wii-sales-bottom-out

  122. CarlB:

    “and yet the 360 still missing every single feature I listed.”

    “Why does it always have to be PS3 vs. 360 with you” :)

    Seriously though roca, it does seem very important to you that “PS3 was the first” with whatever… why is this so important? 360 was first with achievements and PS3 still doesn’t have full BC, but it really doesn’t matter, as long as we can benefit from these things on the console(s) we own.

    The majority of stuff PS3 has now came first on some other (non-Sony) platform anyway, so there really isn’t any need to portray it as some kind of groundbreaking thing by saying “PS3 was first” with anything. Each platform brings something unique to the table for the first time, whether it be good or bad, and both have their fair share of each.

  123. CarlB:

    @Rhino

    “You’re quite happy to sprout how innovative the 360 is, yet you are yet to actually provide a list.”

    I have to tell you, I do not think either 360 or PS3 is “innovative” in any way whatsoever.

    Gaming wise only, you know for HOME GAMING CONSOLES, I do like the way 360 incorporated (not “innovated”) successfully for the first time on a console:

    1. Achievements. Since before this generation started I was really excited about this capability. Yes it had been done in individual games before, but never had a gamer had a specific history of gaming achievements across an entire generation.

    2. Gamerscore. Definitely not as great as achievements, but still pretty cool to compete with your immediate friends on your list.

    3. Friends List. Perfect to keep track and in touch with your friends, their gaming achievements, score, etc.

    4. In game chat. Done before on PC but not across an entire generation of a consoles games, or so many, also works perfectly with your already existing friends list.

    5. XBL. Yes, there is a charge if you desire multiplayer or netflix, but there is still silver that gives you access to many features that have never been incorporated so well on a home gaming console before.

    6. Arcade. These smaller games are often just as addictive as their larger brothers. Castlevania SotN for a fraction of the price of the original disc for PS One? Yesplease. Again a first on home game consoles.

    7. Indie games. Dust: An Elysian Tale… highly anticipated.

    Again, I like the way these features were incorporated for the first time on a home gaming console, but I do not consider them to be “innovations” because they existed before in some shape or form (likely on PC).

    PS3. Well pretty much all of what is listed above as it has been incorporated by now, though it did take some time. Besides that, I am really looking forward to playing about 10 more exclusives in it’s library, let alone what is unannounced for the future (as with 360).

    “susbtracting the first year sales for the 360….the PS3 has trounced the 360 in overall sales :)

    How will this matter if 360 stays on the market one day longer than PS3 as previously stated roca? The margin, as we have already been through before, is not great enough for the PS3 to pass the 360 this generation.

  124. Rhino:

    @CarlB

    THANK YOU!!!!!!! I agree with you. there are a pile of things the 360 has done which are evolutionary, but not innovative.

    Credit where credit is due MS have pulled all those things together very nicely.

  125. Roca.:

    CarlB: “Seriously though roca, it does seem very important to you that “PS3 was the first” with whatever…”

    it matters little to me I was just answering to Mrs X comment who was trolling about the same thing (only in xbox favor) but for some reason you seem to only be bothered by my comments and not his or every other 360 owner

    CarLB “so there really isn’t any need to portray it as some kind of groundbreaking thing by saying “PS3 was first” with anything. ”

    so is ok for Ms. X say 360 did w.e first? seem like you didnt have a problem with that….I think I can guess on what “side” you are on ;)

  126. CarlB:

    “seem like you didnt have a problem with that…”

    “Ms. X”, “Mister Xbot”, “Mrs. Xbot”, “Mrs X”, “whats MS priority? charging for free stuff. ass
    raping their costumer?”

    really? Seems kind of childish let alone fanboyish to go there but whatever way you want to seem like is up to you.

    “yeah like non-gaming features which include Facebook, twitter, Last.FM, and shit like those took keep you busy until their next good game. RFLMAOO”

    Interesting, implying 360 has nothing to keep owners busy beyond that which you mentioned “until their next good game”. More fanboy tripe. Seemed like you were talking up Hulu on PS3 not that long ago in another thread which is also a “non-gaming feature”. Damn. You also mysteriously left out another “non-gaming feature”: Netflix. Is that because it is slated to come to PS3 next month? “I think I can guess on what “side” you are on ;)”

    Personally I’m on both “sides” as I enjoy both consoles and can benefit from what each brings to the table.

    At least I can admit both consoles have more than enough good games to keep their owners busy without taking “sides” or implying they need to utilize side features in order to keep them busy “until their next good game”, let alone resorting to twisting other peoples post names. ;)

  127. CarlB:

    Uncharted 2 platinum yesterday… back to Demon’s Souls today. I have yet to try L4D, let alone L4D2 coming out, so I’ll have to give them a look soon… let alone Muramasa I still have to check out… where’s Arvis when you need him to give you some input :)

  128. phranctoast:

    you’re an animal CarlB. My first play through was 13+ hours on normal. I need to beat hard to unlock crushing. I tend not to play games on hard for the first playthrough.

  129. Roca.:

    “Personally I’m on both “sides” as I enjoy both consoles and can benefit from what each brings to the table”

    personally I really think you enjoy both, but here (in the gamer.blorge.com website) you seem to only attacks the PS3 user even when most 360 users make more wild claims and do more trash talking than everybody else.

    “At least I can admit both consoles have more than enough good games to keep their owners busy without taking “sides” or implying they need to utilize side features in order to keep them busy “until their next good game”, let alone resorting to twisting other peoples post names.”

    yeah at least yo admit it (some dont) but yet u still get bothered by anti-360 comments but you easy let go the bs anti-PS3 comments.

    like you just brought up my comments about me making names for Mister X but you just completely did not see him calling me Ivan and listing some BS feature the 360 supposely invented. but I always have to be the one to get harrassed by you because I always try to balance every BS they say….but even though they do the same you skip theirs and jump right to my comments. you can enjoy both but and the end it is obvious to see what side you are on

  130. CarlB:

    “you seem to only attacks the PS3 user even when most 360 users make more wild claims”

    That’s because by the time I answer, you or somebody else has already answered whatever 360 user’s comment was out of line sufficiently, but then continued to add some equally or even more “wild claim” about 360, (such as having no free DLC, constant RRoD, etc.) a console you do not even own or have very limited experience with, if any.

    “you just completely did not see him calling me Ivan”

    So you have to sink to name calling and fanboy comments? Just answer whatever concerns there may be sufficiently, just don’t add extra fanboy bs on top of it.

  131. Roca.:

    “That’s because by the time I answer, you or somebody else has already answered whatever 360 user’s comment was out of line sufficiently, but then continued to add some equally or even more “wild claim” about 360, (such as having no free DLC, constant RRoD, etc.) a console you do not even own or have very limited experience with, if any”

    then why dont you let them respond/counter my comments as you skip their comments because “somebody else” already answered them. I couldnt care less if you dont believe I had a 360 and yes my experienced was limited with it.

    “So you have to sink to name calling and fanboy comments? Just answer whatever concerns there may be sufficiently, just don’t add extra fanboy bs on top of it.”

    and just answer them the same way they answer me. this is a havy-based fanboy website so no matter what I do there still will be ppl trolling all the time, so I just reply back the same way they do, why dont you let them worry about about the name callings. and why is this a problem for you when I said it but even when the started it you seemed to not pay attention to that. is this maybe because their console preference??? I think so

  132. Roca.:

    you know what….im tired to try to reasing with you.

    at the end of the day you will still throwing lil rocks (with double meaning) towards the PS3

    so I give up, you Win!!! the 360 has no no issues, no RRoD, has the best games, the best hardware, the best updates, the best non-gaming and gaming features, everything is better than Bluray, Bluray sucks, PSN lags XBL dont, E74 never existed, the 360 won the war, the 360 is more reliable, Sony is raping their costumer and MS is giving free everything every wednesday, Netflix will suck on the PS3, the 360 is cheaper and offers more, there is no such things as expensive propetary pheriphrals, Silver is Free and can do everything the PSN do and more, the 360 never freezes, the 360 updates are always Microsoft perfect, there is no such things as 360 fanboys/xbot/trolls for PS3 fangirls/trolls, the PS3 is a photo copy of the 360 and the 360 inveted everything, HOME suckes and is a waste of time, every PS3 exclusive is a failure, every 360 game looks better than KZ2, GT5 is no where near FM3, and last but no least Halo = Best game of all time.

    there you go. you win I’m done with reasoning-talking with you….either way you will always see things in favor of your console of choice.

    LONG LIVE MICROSOFT!

  133. kev:

    i can’t believe sony bent over so quickly and forgot their bluray world dominance plans…

    netflix certainly won’t help their money making…that’s for sure…. bleh….

  134. CAD:

    OK Rhino, I did a search and found what I previously wrote, enjoy! If I’m wrong let me know.

    “I’m not saying Microsoft does not copy ideas. They just don’t do it as much and a little copying is warrented by not do everything exactly the same. For God sake have some Identy. Nintendo I never attacked because Nintendo has contrubited to the gaming industry before Sony or Microsoft was ever in the game. But really Lips is a game and It doesn’t change gaming all that much. At least Lips improved on Singstars offering by adding Ipod and Zune Support and and interactive mic. Sony Copies Online makes it free but it’s not better. 360 games also look better then PS3 games that are multiplatform and there is a slue of evidence all over the web on that and Sony came out after and gloated about this Cell that is no good for gaming. Had Microsoft not come out with a built in hard drive you Sony boy would still be fiddeling with memory cards. That is game changing. Sega started Online game and Microsoft picked up on that and made it amazing. Then Sony did it and it’s not a good. Microsoft Came with arcade titles. Then Sony coppied it and the Library is a joke compared to 360. Then Microsoft also came with Movie dowloads and TV show downloads. Sony Owns movie studio and never thought about doing it till Microsoft did it. Now they have movies. In game music from your hard drive is a 360 first then Sony coppied it. Nindendo makes Mii’s and Sony comes with HOME. Yes MS copid that as well but given that Nintentdo copied online gaming to a lesser extent lets call that a trade off. At least microsoft is bringing avtars while you still wait for HOME. I could go on but it’s pure embarassament for Sony. Nintendo and Microsoft do a bit of copying but they have contrubited so much to gameing that copying here and there doesn’t matter. I really can’t believe you guys don’t know where all your advancement comes form. Also 4 controllers on a system comes form Nintendo.”

    “So what did Sony copy?

    1. Hard Drive (Microsoft)
    2. 4 Control ports (Microsoft or Nindendo)
    3. Online (Microsoft Continued from Sega)
    4. Music palyback (Microsoft)
    5. Online store (Microsoft)
    6. Arcade Titles (Microsoft)
    7. Demos (Microsoft)
    8. Online Donwloadable Movies/TV (Microsoft)
    9. Stream content from your computer (Microsoft)
    10. Achievements (Microsoft)
    11. Motion Control (Nindendo)
    12. USB Ports on consoles (Microsoft)
    13. Home is a upgraded knock off of Nintendo’s Mii system (Nintendo)
    14. DIVEX Support (Microsoft)
    15. SD Card slots. OK I really don’t know this one but I’m going to say (Nindendo) Because history only shows that Sony has only thought about the disk drive. And yes I can eloborated if you need it.
    16. Downloadable content for games (Microsoft)
    17. Parental Contorl (Microsoft)
    18. Controller Rumble (Microsoft)

    You will find all of these things in Sony’s game consoles yet ironically they are not the originator of these ideas that have been put into their consoles. I know MS messed up with the RROD but the 3 year warrenty is great and RROD is becoming a thing of the past. When you look at that list tell me who has the gamer in mind and who is responsible for making the industry better with this generation of consoles doing things that have never been done before.”

  135. Roca.:

    1. Hard Drive (Microsoft) – PS2 had it
    2. 4 Control ports (Microsoft or Nindendo) – Really? lol
    3. Online (Microsoft Continued from Sega)- I believed the PS2 continued before MS
    4. Music palyback (Microsoft) – Sorry PS1
    5. Online store (Microsoft) – Sorry Apple
    6. Arcade Titles (Microsoft) – really? LOL
    7. Demos (Microsoft) – PS Undergound sound familiar?
    8. Online Donwloadable Movies/TV (Microsoft) – and yet the PS3 has more of both
    9. Stream content from your computer (Microsoft)- PSP did that (location Free – Tivo)
    10. Achievements (Microsoft) – in-game achivement existed before
    11. Motion Control (Nindendo) – Hello Eye Toy??
    12. USB Ports on consoles (Microsoft) – Did you ever had a PS2?
    13. Home is a upgraded knock off of Nintendo’s Mii system (Nintendo) – dont think so
    14. DIVEX Support (Microsoft) – oh come on!
    15. SD Card slots. OK I really don’t know this one but I’m going to say (Nindendo) Because history only shows that Sony has only thought about the disk drive. And yes I can eloborated if you need it. – the PSP, The PS3 came out before the Wii with SD slot
    16. Downloadable content for games (Microsoft) –
    17. Parental Contorl (Microsoft) – PS2 did it first Thanks
    18. Controller Rumble (Microsoft)- you must be new to gaming

    Rhino I guess you were right after all

  136. phranctoast:

    yeah. CAD’s history is a bit rusty.

    I’ll give MS

    Standard HDD in all machines (sucks they blew it this gen)

    Achievments across all games.

  137. ToshithegreaT:

    WELL, hard drive was standard in every xbox 1, not the case with ps 2, no matter how u want to spin it..

    online store – Apple.. wow seriously i didnt knew they had an online store on consoles,

    Arcade titles = really lol.. no he is wrong right roca, it was actually ps3 who brought arcade gaming to this gen, right.. lol

    as i said earlier, 360 is this gen’s ps2 (if u dont consider wii)..

  138. ToshithegreaT:

    “you know what….im tired to try to reasing with you.

    at the end of the day you will still throwing lil rocks (with double meaning) towards the PS3

    so I give up, you Win!!! the 360 has no no issues, no RRoD, has the best games, the best hardware, the best updates, the best non-gaming and gaming features, everything is better than Bluray, Bluray sucks, PSN lags XBL dont, E74 never existed, the 360 won the war, the 360 is more reliable, Sony is raping their costumer and MS is giving free everything every wednesday, Netflix will suck on the PS3, the 360 is cheaper and offers more, there is no such things as expensive propetary pheriphrals, Silver is Free and can do everything the PSN do and more, the 360 never freezes, the 360 updates are always Microsoft perfect, there is no such things as 360 fanboys/xbot/trolls for PS3 fangirls/trolls, the PS3 is a photo copy of the 360 and the 360 inveted everything, HOME suckes and is a waste of time, every PS3 exclusive is a failure, every 360 game looks better than KZ2, GT5 is no where near FM3, and last but no least Halo = Best game of all time.

    there you go. you win I’m done with reasoning-talking with you….either way you will always see things in favor of your console of choice.

    LONG LIVE MICROSOFT!”

    Another troll comment lol..

  139. ToshithegreaT:

    “4. Music palyback (Microsoft) – Sorry PS1″

    Dude roca, u again forgot to read his comment again, he is right, xbox 1 was the first with custom soundtrack in games..

  140. ToshithegreaT:

    7. Demos (Microsoft) – PS Undergound sound familiar?

    Cad is right again, xbox made demno’s standard on console, before that it was pc..

  141. ToshithegreaT:

    11. Motion Control (Nindendo) – Hello Eye Toy??

    @roca

    Ever heard about Tilt Force 2

  142. Roca.:

    Toshi,

    “WELL, hard drive was standard in every xbox 1, not the case with ps 2, no matter how u want to spin it..”

    Xbox had it standard with Every system, not the case with the 360 ( PS3 has it standard)

    Toshi/CAD”4. Music palyback (Microsoft) – Sorry PS1″

    Dude roca, u again forgot to read his comment again, he is right, xbox 1 was the first with custom soundtrack in games..”

    Music Playback and custom background sound track are two different things

    Toshi/CAD

    “Cad is right again, xbox made demno’s standard on console, before that it was pc..”

    is it really standard Toshi…think again (its just standard for XBL Downlable games)

    in the end CAD got a couple right and 90% wrong

    and yes defend Carlb all you want. you know he is on you side and trying to be a double agent at the same time.

  143. Roca.:

    Toshi “Another troll comment lol..”

    this comes from the same troll who stated that MSG, GT, GoW, and Uncharted are milked franchised…Carlb forgot but bitch you about it but sure remember him arguing with me about my response to you. you guys sure make a good duo

  144. Roca.:

    meant to say: (gotta type fast while at work)

    “this comes from the same troll who stated that MSG, GT, GoW, and Uncharted are milked franchised…Carlb forgot to bitch you about it but I sure remember him arguing with me about my response to you. you guys sure make a good duo

  145. CarlB:

    “then why dont you let them respond/counter my comments as you skip their comments because ‘somebody else’ already answered them.”

    For the same reason you addressed Mister X above when he was responding to Rhino and Ivan.

    “I couldnt care less if you dont believe I had a 360 and yes my experienced was limited with it.”

    That may be, but I would believe you if you said you had one as I believe you when you say your experience is limited with it.

    “and why is this a problem for you”

    It’s not, and it shouldn’t be a problem here for you if you choose to say something innaccurate and people respond. I think more than once in the recent past you gave me a hard time about “sinking to Ivan’s level” and “fanboy” comments, so I’m just giving you the same feedback whenever you go beyond reason.

    “at the end of the day you will still throwing lil rocks (with double meaning) towards the PS3″

    The sad thing is you’ve totally ignored the good things I’ve said about Sony and the PS3 (great lineup, excellent games I have enjoyed, etc.), the bad things (rocks) I’ve experienced with 360 (RRoD, getting another system, the hard drive, etc.) and only see the rocks thrown at PS3.

    “so I give up, you Win!!! the 360 has no no issues” (I’ve already mentioned the issues I’ve had with it here and elsewhere before on blorge)

    “no RRoD”
    (yep, covered that before here and elsewhere as well)

    “has the best games”
    (it did towards the beginning of the generation up until this year for me personally, not so much anymore, also mentioned this more than once before)

    “the best hardware”
    (never said that, putting words in my mouth again)

    “the best updates”
    (I’ve just had less problems with the 360 for almost four years on updates when compared to the short time I’ve had the PS3 and had more problems with it’s firmware updates, I never said the 360 had “the best updates”)

    “the best non-gaming and gaming features”

    (for awhile 360 did before Sony incorporated most all of them over time, another reason why I finally purchased a PS3)

    “everything is better than Bluray”
    (when did I say anything was “better” than bluray? I still use my PS3 for blu-rays when they are available for the movie I’m watching)

    “Bluray sucks”
    (no, never said or even insuated that either. I like Bluray, but use Netflix HD more often mainly because of convenience)

    (PSN lags XBL dont)
    I don’t know. The worst problems I have had involved getting kicked off of the server constantly, never really experienced that with XBL.

    “E74 never existed”
    It may have, I’ve just never experienced it, so it hasn’t affected me, therefore I don’t talk about it.

    “the 360 won the war”
    So far in total sales, but for my gaming habits, I would say PS3 is winning right now.

    “the 360 is more reliable”
    So far in my individual case, have to talk about this again 3 and a half years from now.

    “Sony is raping their costumer and MS is giving free everything every wednesday”
    Didn’t know about this one, I’ll have to check it out.

    “Netflix will suck on the PS3″
    It might or might not. We’ll see next month.

    “the 360 is cheaper and offers more”
    While it is cheaper, I would say it offers just as much to the average gaming consumer.

    “there is no such things as expensive propetary pheriphrals”
    these exist on both PS3 and 360.

    “Silver is Free and can do everything the PSN do and more”
    except online multiplayer, internet, etc.

    “the 360 never freezes”
    (not so, I’ve mentioned that here before in the past as well)

    “the 360 updates are always Microsoft perfect”
    (yes, stated here before as well by me that two times the service went down on me in almost four years, maybe more for others)

    “there is no such things as 360 fanboys/xbot/trolls for PS3 fangirls/trolls”
    I don’t know, who is Ivan’s equal here on the 360 side (honest question).

    “the PS3 is a photo copy of the 360 and the 360 inveted everything”
    Yes, the PS3 did copy quite a bit from 360 this gen, but the 360 never actually “invented” anything.

    “HOME suckes and is a waste of time”
    I would have to agree with this, but just my opinion and only in my individual case. If you like it and think it’s great, knock yourself out.

    “every PS3 exclusive is a failure”
    Not true. I love Infamous, Uncharted 1 and 2, and Demon’s Souls so far, have a lot to go yet.

    “every 360 game looks better than KZ2″
    I haven’t played KZ2 yet, so I don’t know.

    “GT5 is no where near FM3″
    I don’t know, GT5 hasn’t come to retail yet.

    “and last but no least Halo = Best game of all time.”
    I don’t like Halo.

    “there you go. you win I’m done with reasoning-talking with you….either way you will always see things in favor of your console of choice.”

    Right now my console of choice for games is the PS3.

    “LONG LIVE MICROSOFT!”
    Whoa, I think we have found signs of the 360 Ivan beginning here.

  146. CarlB:

    “you guys sure make a good duo”
    So do you and Ivan.

  147. ToshithegreaT:

    “Toshi,

    “WELL, hard drive was standard in every xbox 1, not the case with ps 2, no matter how u want to spin it..”

    Xbox had it standard with Every system, not the case with the 360 ( PS3 has it standard)

    Toshi/CAD”4. Music palyback (Microsoft) – Sorry PS1″

    Dude roca, u again forgot to read his comment again, he is right, xbox 1 was the first with custom soundtrack in games..”

    Music Playback and custom background sound track are two different things

    Toshi/CAD

    “Cad is right again, xbox made demno’s standard on console, before that it was pc..”

    is it really standard Toshi…think again (its just standard for XBL Downlable games)

    in the end CAD got a couple right and 90% wrong

    and yes defend Carlb all you want. you know he is on you side and trying to be a double agent at the same time.”

    Plz do urself a favour, dont call others fanboy, when u dont know a thing, it was a debate between cad and ghost and ghost asked cad abt the innovations/features MS bought into the gaming industry..

    so i hope u do understand, hard disk as standard in consoles was a ms feature, so dont bring in 360 doesn’t has it..

    stop making every post abt a freaking petty point scoring and then telling Carlb that is biased towards 360.. first look at ur comments plz..

    Even on Halo 3 still no 1 online thread cad was asking ppl who are going to buy Ballad of gay tony, he’s putting reviews for it, he didnt even compared to any ps3 games and still u bring uncharted and demon soul’s reviews into the discussion..

    and then there is MR ghost who is talking abt halo condoms and halo std etc, then u tell its 360 owners who talk crap abt ps3 games..

    DO WE REALLY NEED ANYMORE REASONS ??

  148. ToshithegreaT:

    Cad and Rhino*

  149. Roca.:

    Yes try to turn shit around all you want but you still all the bs the. 360 ppl say and you are so against the Ps3 that every thing we say that you have to counter it but you seem to cad, toshi, mr xbot, kev, happy talk all the shit they want because its in favor of the console of your choice.

    most of the I posted the are stuff I posted are cooments from them n those never seem to bother you to actually argue against ppl of your blood.

    And I have never been on ivan side nor have I ever agree with him..I actually ignore him and got at him for spamming piracy. But defended ms. X, toshi defended you, cad defend toshi…and so on, you guys support each other like a good family and a nice one you have there.

    Stop trying to be a double agent because you are going to get cought

  150. ToshithegreaT:

    “this comes from the same troll who stated that MSG, GT, GoW, and Uncharted are milked franchised…Carlb forgot but bitch you about it but sure remember him arguing with me about my response to you. you guys sure make a good duo”

    Now u are calling me a TROLL, ha ha ha..
    no wonder everyone picks u on.. and u have a bad habbit of lying again and again, put up the link where i “SAID” it that “GOW,MGS,GT,Uncharted” are “Milking Franchines”..
    Come on roca prove urself rite.. lol

  151. ToshithegreaT:

    “is it really standard Toshi…think again (its just standard for XBL Downlable games)”

    well we download the whole arcade game and i know its a trial version, we just need to buy the game and as i said most of the 360 games do have demo’s..

  152. Roca.:

    Toshi

    I understand you have to defend your brothers and sisters but most of cad’s list other console already had.

    Thanks. Enjoy ur day

  153. Roca.:

    Most does not mean standard here in US toshi.

  154. ToshithegreaT:

    But the point still remains.. if that way anyone can point tht hey there were already stand alone blu ray disk on the market b4 ps3, so i hope u understand that it wont make any sense, coz we are talking abt console and features bought on consoles.. and in that sense cad’s list pretty much spot on..

    Btw its funny u r asking carlb why is he picking on u, TBH i saw him reply to kev once, when he was saying something abt sony, and it was along msg..

    “Brothers and Sisters”

    Dude i dont thin k any 360 user here is like you or ivan..

    some of ur quotes

    “Our New Friend Carlb”
    when he was bought a new ps3 slim,
    “Carlb Is Gonna Join Our Club Soon”..

    its not the kind of shit we say, no matter who buys a 360, if we like the person in general, we ll send him a friend request, but we dont call some one “Our New Friend” just coz he bought a console of my choice..

    And for the record, many ppl here, who claim to own both 360 and ps3, but u wont find us asking them, why they talk shit abt 360 or why aren’t they replying to 360 bashers..

    “Duo”

    Have u seen urself and ivan
    or urself and jofa
    or urself and ghost
    or urself and ncaisse
    or urself and phranc
    ..

  155. ToshithegreaT:

    “And I have never been on ivan side nor have I ever agree with him..”

    @roca

    Think again any body can find older posts and will point out that u are lying now, but whatever, it wont make any difference,
    it isnt the first time u have lied..

  156. CAD:

    Oh My what has happened here. It’s a shame I’m short for time so hopefully I’ll catch up on my phone this evening. Looks like I started a riot. I wrote that back in 2008 but I need to edit it a bit as I have new insite. But just through browsing I think Carl B and Toshi got it covered. I’ll clear one thing up. “Music Playback” I’m actually referring to in game music blayback, being able to store the music on your HD and play it back through any game you play (Microsoft). But yes you could play cd’s on the PS1 (Sony).

  157. Rhino:

    @ CAD
    1. Hard Drive (Microsoft) – PS2 released it before original xbox.

    2. 4 Control ports (Microsoft or Nintendo) It was long before MS.

    3. Online (Microsoft Continued from Sega)Consoles had online games long before the xbox.

    4. Music palyback (Microsoft) Evolution

    5. Online store (Microsoft) Evolution

    6. Arcade Titles (Microsoft)LOL ohhh please

    7. Demos (Microsoft) Yeah again I rmemebr having lots of discs with demos for the PS1 & 2 long before the xbox.

    8. Online Donwloadable Movies/TV (Microsoft) Evolutionary, not innovation.

    9. Stream content from your computer (Microsoft)Evolutionary, not innovation.

    10. Achievements (Microsoft) In games long before xbox

    11. Motion Control (Nindendo) I asked for MS innovations, not Nintendo.

    12. USB Ports on consoles (Microsoft) PS2 first.

    13. Home is a upgraded knock off of Nintendo’s Mii system (Nintendo) You couldn’t help yourself could you. I ask for MS innovations and this is what you list. Looser.

    14. DIVEX Support (Microsoft)LOL man i nearly wet myself whan i read that. Evolutionary

    15. SD Card slots. OK I really don’t know this one but I’m going to say (Nindendo) Because history only shows that Sony has only thought about the disk drive. And yes I can eloborated if you need it. Once again I asked for MS innovations.

    16. Downloadable content for games (Microsoft) Evolutionary

    17. Parental Contorl (Microsoft) PS2 had it first

    18. Controller Rumble (Microsoft) Get your head out your ass numbnuts.

    So from your great list of MS innovations which I clearly asked you for, Some weren’t even from MS, some were from before the original xbox, and the rest were evolutionary, not innovations.

    CAD, mate, face it, neither the xbox, x360 or the ps3 really have produced anything innovative, but more evolutionary.

    I’m ok with that cause it means consoles and therefore games will only get better.

  158. Roca.:

    @ toshi,

    ur are reaching now, and you are abviosly a low life guy who has nothing better to do but to hunt down previous comments and make you own asuncion

    let me break it down for you (god how many times I have explain my self from previoous post because a retard like you dont get the joke)

    when he was bought a new ps3 slim, < — never said so stop reaching.
    “Carlb Is Gonna Join Our Club Soon”.. <— I meant the flame bait club me and phranc were joking about. if you noticed Ghost or Robert asked about the club and I told him that I was going to let him know via a PSN mgs (about the flame baits for troll like you). and I said "carlb is going to join our club because he said something in that same article (you should be intelligent enough to have noticed it) that sounded like a bait for some.

    haha out straws dude!!?? dig deeper next time

  159. Roca.:

    Toshi aka my No.1 fan

    love how he spend the day reading at all my comments and trying to throw baits at me after. so far he has failed every single time.

  160. CarlB:

    @roca,

    “you are so against the Ps3″

    LOL. Did you even read what I wrote above in praising PS3? I guess you missed it when I said, “I like Bluray… PS3 is winning right now (as far as games lineup for me at this moment)… I love Infamous, Uncharted 1 and 2, and Demon’s Souls so far, have a lot to go yet… Right now my console of choice for games is the PS3.” If I was “so against the PS3″ I wouldn’t have bought one in the first place. Relax.

    “Stop trying to be a double agent because you are going to get cought”

    Dude. Seriously. Stop being so paranoid. I am not “a double agent” I just happen to like and dislike certain things about each console I own and mention them here in what I believe to be a reasonable fashion. People do this. Chill. Even if I was “a double agent” what would I be afraid of for “getting cought”? Please.

    *CarlB returns to playing Demon’s Souls*

  161. Roca.:

    I know you are enjoying the PS3 and that you like and dislike certain things…my issue here is that you only attacks the ppl who are on the PS3 side. if they say something bad about the 360 you come and argue, if 360 start bs-ing about the PS3 you ignore it and let it go.

  162. CarlB:

    “you only attacks the ppl who are on the PS3 side.”

    Not true. First of all I respond to comments made by people (I don’t “attack” them) here that I find are not entirely accurate. To date I have been toe to toe with Happyhockum, Kev, and CAD on differing subjects in the past as well. I think this was well before you came along though roca, so you probably missed this.

  163. ToshithegreaT:

    “ur are reaching now, and you are abviosly a low life guy who has nothing better to do but to hunt down previous comments and make you own asuncion

    let me break it down for you (god how many times I have explain my self from previoous post because a retard like you dont get the joke)

    when he was bought a new ps3 slim, < — never said so stop reaching.
    “Carlb Is Gonna Join Our Club Soon”.. <— I meant the flame bait club me and phranc were joking about. if you noticed Ghost or Robert asked about the club and I told him that I was going to let him know via a PSN mgs (about the flame baits for troll like you). and I said "carlb is going to join our club because he said something in that same article (you should be intelligent enough to have noticed it) that sounded like a bait for some.

    haha out straws dude!!?? dig deeper next time"

    lol @ troll

    How abt looking at ur post dude, u have made it habbit of stupid anme calling and stuff, and by calling me a low life, u have made me right "AGAIN"..

    I dont have that much time for u, sry as i didnt go back to see ur comments, its something that i remembered and thats why i put it here.. and for the record,

    i dont come online to comment some random bullshit abt ps3, like u people usually do..I come here to defend my console of choice..

    So there is a difference..

  164. ToshithegreaT:

    “I know you are enjoying the PS3 and that you like and dislike certain things…my issue here is that you only attacks the ppl who are on the PS3 side. if they say something bad about the 360 you come and argue, if 360 start bs-ing about the PS3 you ignore it and let it go.”

    And as i said earlier, i give it 360 users for not getting desperate and asking someone (who owns both ps3 and 360) why they are saying b/s abt ps3/360..

    @rhino

    dude u gotta chill out, the way u are putting things, there was/is hardly anything revolutionary abt gaming industry, neither the wii from nintendo, xbox live from MS or the CD player in ps 1 is revolutionary..

  165. Roca.:

    dig deep toshi…

    where there is no more straws left..digging is you only hope for retaliation.

    Toshi”And as i said earlier, i give it 360 users for not getting desperate and asking someone (who owns both ps3 and 360) why they are saying b/s abt ps3/360.. ”

    why dont you tell that to your crew…because Ivan owns both and he is constantly getting attack from you and your brotherhood

  166. Roca.:

    Toshi, just do me a favor a hop off my dick would you.

    look how pathethic you are

    you said: “Cad is right again, xbox made demno’s standard on console, before that it was pc”

    then you said: “as i said *MOST* of the 360 games do have demo’s”

    lmaooo…again “most” is not equal “standard”. you are reaching too far now.

  167. CAD:

    OK really lets just stop with the it was on PC crap. Who cares. I’m talking consoles. Sure idea may hve come from PC but who made it standard on consoles the machines we play games on daily.

  168. ToshithegreaT:

    Pathetic is a word i associate with u roca,
    U know nothing abt any topic u have ever been in..
    Everybody knows that,
    u can keep up with ur insults, wont change anything..

  169. CarlB:

    “OK really lets just stop with the it was on PC crap.”

    Hey now, PC is a viable gaming platform that many people play games on daily. SW… little help? In any case, I’m still very glad many consoles (Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, etc.) have incorporated the same things that have their precedent on PC.

  170. Roca.:

    Toshi,
    “Pathetic is a word i associate with u roca”

    yeah as pathethic as you saying
    “MSG, GOW, GT, KZ and Uncharted are milked franchises”

    and also as pathethic as saying:
    “Cad is right again, xbox made demno’s standard on console, before that it was pc”

    then you said: “as i said *MOST* of the 360 games do have demo’s”

    again “most” is not equal “standard”.

    you the one how doesnt know shit about the subject and you clearly JUST started gaming (I remember you saying). Talk to me when you have as much gaming experienced (with many consoles thoughout the decades) as me. blah pathethic MBA guy

  171. CarlB:

    “again ‘most’ is not equal ‘standard’”

    Unless you say 360 set the standard for free demos on home gaming consoles this gen. Yep.

  172. Roca.:

    you are such a fanboy to support/defend CAD on:

    -USB ports (Microsoft)
    -Parental Control (Microsoft)
    -Controller Rumble (Microsoft)
    -Online (Microsoft Continued from Sega)

    hahah really thats news to me.. both you and CAD have stated that you guys just started gaming….but then you go off claiming MS did this and that first when you/him have no clue about anything you guys are saying. why dont you go back in time and learn about consoles/gaming by actually owning one. Googling them is not the same mate ;)

  173. Roca.:

    Carlb

    “Unless you say 360 set the standard for free demos on home gaming consoles this gen. Yep.”

    I hope they “key words” of your comment is the words “this gen”.

    if so…then you are 50% right as they came out before all other current gen system.
    but demos were there for PS1/PS2/PSP in many different format besides downloadable.

    let me explain my self so you dont think I know nothing about the subject.
    - if you were a member of the Playstation Underground service you would constantly get disc-based demos through mail.

    - some PS2 games came with a extra disc for demos of upcoming games (FFXII demo came with Dragon Quest XIII (your a RPG fan, so you probably remember this), Brave Fence Mussashi (PS1) came with the FF8 demo, and so on)

    - back in the days if you were a member of a gaming Magazine you would also get a demo package with the mag from time to time

    now digital distribution is common these days so demos can easly be handed out via the internet…back then it wasnt the case but demos still existed

  174. CAD:

    Carl B

    Don’t worry I’m not rellly putting down PC even though I don’t care to game on a PC. I’m just saying that lets keep to focused on consoles which is where the majority of gaming takes place no matter where the tech actually comes/started from.

  175. CarlB:

    “I hope they ‘key words’ of your comment is the words ‘this gen’”

    Actually, yes. I thought it was a given that I was talking about online distribution demos, so I did not think to add the very specific key words “downloadable”, my (very big) mistake. By “this gen” I was thinking online distribution to automatically be a part of the statement, but many do not have this capability and still rely on physical media. Thanks for the correction though, I still have many PS1, Playstation 2, and XBox demos in my collection, but I got rid of my Sega CD demos from “back in the day” :(

  176. ToshithegreaT:

    “hahah really thats news to me.. both you and CAD have stated that you guys just started gaming….but then you go off claiming MS did this and that first when you/him have no clue about anything you guys are saying. why dont you go back in time and learn about consoles/gaming by actually owning one. Googling them is not the same mate”

    lol, so if i m not an older gamer, does that mean i dont have an opinion, by the way anything whether its on MS, Nintendo, or Sony, has been done in some way on some other platform.. so in a way u are accepting neither nin, nor sony bought anything to the table just like Ms, coz everything has been done in one way or the other on other platforms as well..

    “MSG, GOW, GT, KZ and Uncharted are milked franchises”
    thats why i say u really are pathetic, show me where i “STATED” that these are indeed milking franchises..

    but u fond it, u know why, coz i never said it.. u r bringing this in coz u dont have a comeback kiddo..

    Come back when u cud actually have argument that is valid, does not involve calling names, or petty insults..

  177. ToshithegreaT:

    “Talk to me when you have as much gaming experienced (with many consoles thoughout the decades) as me. blah pathethic MBA guy”

    @roca

    I get it, u r “THE GUY” with the down syndrome..
    Cheers:)

  178. ToshithegreaT:

    “if you were a member of the Playstation Underground service you would constantly get disc-based demos through mail.

    - some PS2 games came with a extra disc for demos of upcoming games (FFXII demo came with Dragon Quest XIII (your a RPG fan, so you probably remember this), Brave Fence Mussashi (PS1) came with the FF8 demo, and so on)

    - back in the days if you were a member of a gaming Magazine you would also get a demo package with the mag from time to time”

    @roca

    Carb stated “”FREE DEMO’s” and (i would like to add) to everyone with a 360 and internet.. i think as usual u passed it..

  179. Roca.:

    ““MSG, GOW, GT, KZ and Uncharted are milked franchises”
    thats why i say u really are pathetic, show me where i “STATED” that these are indeed milking franchises..”

    I dont have to go dig your fanboy lies.

    now CarlB i know you like to balance things out and I know you remember him saying it and our discussion about game developing time and milking a franchise…can you remind him that he actually said that.

    also toshi stop being pathethic and pretending you didnt say that cus you know you. I wonder where then were giving out those MBA titles

  180. CarlB:

    “lets keep to focused on consoles which is where the majority of gaming takes place no matter where the tech actually comes/started from.”

    Just saying… if enough tech keeps being added, consoles will essentially be pcs… lol.

  181. CarlB:

    “Carlb stated ‘FREE DEMO’s’… i think as usual u passed it…”

    Thanks Toshi, I forgot to reiterate that part to him as well.

    @roca,

    “now CarlB i know you like to balance things out and I know you remember him saying it and our discussion about game developing time and milking a franchise…can you remind him that he actually said that.”

    Yes, I remember, it was where you called him “To-shit-the-Great” and said something about him and India.

    Actually, roca, he never did say:

    “MSG, GOW, GT, KZ and Uncharted are milked franchises”

    You misquoted him, as you have me in the recent past. What he did say was:

    “God of war 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, Gran Turismo 5,
    Come to think of it, doesnt ppl actually blame microsoft for milking its franchises.. lmfao”

    I take this to mean he is expressing amusement about how people here have criticized Halo 2, 3, Fable 2, Mass Effect 2, and pretty much every major 360 exclusive sequel in the past as “milking the franchise” but leave their own console’s exclusive sequels out of the equation, not saying the PS3 sequels mentioned above are actually “milking the (respective) franchise”.

    He went on to state in the thread how “sequels are being made for both platforms, its funny when people actually blame just microsoft for milking its franchises, either every sequel is a ‘milking franchise’ or none of them are…”

    gamer.blorge.com/2009/10/07/demons-souls-achieve-universal-acclaim-status-on-metacritic/

    You went on to argue that game sequels/spinoffs with a development time of 1 year or less were the definition of “milking a franchise” whereas 2 years or more was not.

    Personally, I think it’s highly subjective and really cannot be “defined” clearly. Your definition did not account for an extra large team or the amount of actual creative content that can be produced within a year. With enough resources effectively coordinated a masterpiece could be created within 6 months, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

  182. Roca.:

    @ toshi,

    ““Carlb stated ‘FREE DEMO’s’… i think as usual u passed it”

    all those demo I mentioned were free, PSU was free (carlb you forgot to correct him) but its all good cant argue agaist the brotherhood

    your such a 360 fanboy that you cant even admit he started the milking comments and he included

    and you whole comment above is attacking me (as nobody asked if I called him any names)

    ““God of war 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, Gran Turismo 5,
    Come to think of it, doesnt ppl actually blame microsoft for milking its franchises.. lmfao””

    that was the first milking post and his first post ever and he clearly compared those games (based on the number next to the title) I cant you believe your such biased even to ignore the fact the “refer” to those games franchises being milked by Sony.

    “Come to think of it, doesnt ppl actually blame microsoft for milking its franchises.. lmfao””

    he basically said Sony is milking every single title he listed just as much as microsoft (but the listed games were years apart from each other) and the he laughed …not clear enough maybe if you wasnt such a fan of MS you would learned how to break down his comment instead of attacking for calling w.e…idk you care for him that much….oops I forgot everything hurts the family (same blood)

    ““milking the franchise” but leave their own console’s exclusive sequels out of the equation, not saying the PS3 sequels mentioned above are actually “milking the (respective) franchise”.”

    but yet you still CANT admit he did say it and he meant it like those were milked franchise. come on now its funny how I asked a simple question and just because it was something that would exposed one of the member of your tribe you turned the whole question against me

    you guys are right no matter what.

    MS made demos standard – Carlb agreed – proved wrong
    MS made free demos standard – carlb agreed also – proved wrong
    MS made downloadable demos standard for *most* games of course they did…whats next

  183. CarlB:

    “you whole comment above is attacking me (as nobody asked if I called him any names)”

    You asked me to intervene to find where he stated the misquote you used, I couldn’t, as he did not state it (please link to where you can find where he did and I will happily admit I am wrong).

    Instead you misquoted him, I found and used the actual, original quote explaining his point of view, i.e. his amusement of the one way accusation of “milking” based upon Microsoft having exclusive sequels, yet Sony had somehow gotten overlooked for the same thing. I mentioned the name calling simply to refresh your memory as you seemed incapable of remembering where his original statement was (let alone what it was), not to “attack you” (if I was going to do that I would just call you names… I don’t do that, sometimes children and highly emotional people, or people who can’t control their emotions, do).

    “all those demo I mentioned were free, PSU was free”

    The magazines (including PSU) that my demo’s came with were not free, I had to pay a subscription fee.

    “your such a 360 fanboy that you cant even admit he started the milking comments”

    No, I just quoted him above where “he started the milking comments”…lol. Note also that it is an actual quote and not a fake one.

    “I cant you believe your such biased even to ignore the fact the ‘refer’ to those games franchises being milked by Sony.”

    As I stated earlier, he wasn’t even referring these were “being milked” (Toshi please correct me if I’m wrong), only that if Microsoft exclusive sequels were accused of “milking the franchise” then it was funny how these Sony exclusive sequels were not.

    And as I said before, I am currently “biased” to the PS3 when it comes to games as I have just finished Uncharted, Uncharted 2 (more biased towards Sony here than you considering my plat), Infamous, and am currently playing Demon’s Souls. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the experience each of these titles have provided, and no, I do not think Uncharted 2 (or Halo 2 or 3, for that matter) is “milking the franchise”, and I do not believe Toshi thinks so either (again Toshi, correct me if I’m wrong).

    “but the listed games were years apart from each other”

    First off his comment was a statement of amusement with hypocritical views, not a statement of fact, and it is worded as such. Second of all, a year of development with twice as many resources coordinated equals the same as two with twice as less.

    Your point of one year compared to two in development really doesn’t matter for the sake of this conversation. Short of playing the games themselves (which I highly recommend before one makes a final judgment) all we can use for the sake of argument, and there are plenty of examples on both consoles where their respective exclusives received generally favorable reviews.

    “you guys are right no matter what.”

    No roca, actually I have admitted here and elsewhere several times where I have been wrong. For some reason you persist in making false statements like this and the following one:

    “MS made demos standard – Carlb agreed – proved wrong”

    I never said Microsoft “made demos standard”, I said Microsoft set the free online distributed demos standard this gen for home gaming consoles. Nothing more, nothing less.

    “MS made free demos standard – carlb agreed also – proved wrong”

    Yes, I agree, at least at the magnitude they are currently being distributed. Before this gen you had to buy a magazine subscription and might get the occasional free demo via disc through the mail or at a show.

    “MS made downloadable demos standard for *most* games of course they did…whats next”

    I don’t know. I think it may be Netflix HD streaming on PS3 (I guess Sony thinks this may be worthwhile… perhaps even more popular than the PS3′s YouTube, Hulu, or current web browsing capability combined). Also instant on 1080p movies and Last.FM via XBL… (hopefully I can get Pandora on PS3 in the future as well) to name a few.

  184. Roca.:

    Playstation Underground was not a magazine and it was free.

    “As I stated earlier, he wasn’t even referring these were “being milked” (Toshi please correct me if I’m wrong)”

    of he is going to denied it just like you are the denying it..

    “Microsoft exclusive sequels were accused of “milking the franchise” then it was funny how these Sony exclusive sequels were not.””

    which actually translate as the sony title were “also” being milked”

    thanks clarlb for you honest baised blinded response.

    in other words you saying 360 RULEZZZ

  185. CarlB:

    “Playstation Underground was not a magazine and it was free.”

    Really? Tell us more roca.

    “The PlayStation Underground CD Magazine is an interactive publication produced by Sony and offered to consumers on a subscriber-only basis. Each double-CD issue contains game demos, news, codes, gameplay tips, preview videos, memory card files and more. A one-year subscription, which includes four quarterly issues, costs $29.95 and is available at Electronics Boutique, FuncoLand or directly from Sony.”

    answers.com/topic/playstation-underground-cd-magazine-vol-4-3

    shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=playstation+underground+magazine

    Hard copy magazines I also received demos with a paid subscription: OXM, PSM, OPSM

  186. Roca.:

    it might have started as a magazine but it died soon after and it because a free membership to get stuff from sony (game ads, poster, etc) and till this day keep getting demos from them (latest one being god of war CoO, Syphon Filter: LS) I also get free accessories from them from time to time

    sorry if you had to pay for all that…oh wait you pay for XBL also

  187. Roca.:

    http://farm1.static.flickr.com/98/253686019_bd3b8db95a_o.jpg

  188. CarlB:

    “of he is going to denied it just like you are the denying it..”

    First you misinterpret what he is saying then you make up a fake quote to match your interpretation. Stay classy roca.

    GREAT GAMES “RULEZZZ” regardless of the console they are on. Right now I am playing them on PS3. For almost four years I have been playing them on 360. For about a year straight altogether I played them on DS and PSP (though I have owned these for much longer). For twenty seven years before this gen I have been playing them on almost every major home console sold in America. PS3, or 360, or Wii “RULEZZZ” nothing by themselves, and they each have great games and features along with bad ones. Get over it.

  189. Roca.:

    http://media.photobucket.com/image/psp%20demo%20mailed/tonyatf/blog%20pics/DSC01270.jpg

  190. Roca.:

    http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25400343

    recent proof from others that it still existed (they stopped calling PSU soon they everybody needs a PSN account to log into the website)

  191. Roca.:

    “Exclusive PlayStation Game Console Demo Discs, Newsletters and

    Money-Saving Offers Among Valuable Benefits for Club Members

    Sony Computer Entertainment America released several new programs exclusive for members of the PlayStation(R) Underground(tm), the official club for PlayStation(R) game console owners.

    The new consumer loyalty programs highlight the PlayStation Underground’s ability to provide gamers a behind-the-scenes look at the videogame industry while offering PlayStation fans …”

    http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-53401228.html

    see…it because a club soon after..and demos and other goodies were mailed for FREE. I just corrected you since you seem unaware of this…now you can correct you lil brothers

  192. Roca.:

    I never make a fake quote you. I just broke down his quote for your biased brain.

    stay classic Carlb…typical marine

  193. Roca.:

    -I never make a fake quote. I just broke down his quote for your biased brain.

  194. CarlB:

    “you pay for XBL also”

    No, I pay for XBL Gold because Netflix HD streaming is on it and not PSN yet (here’s looking to next month… sometime. Still waiting for the disc).

    XBL Silver (free) has just as many free demos.

    “sorry if you had to pay for all that…”

    Actually I didn’t. A lot of times I would get stuff free as well (and still do) through the mail, though it is not nearly as much as what has been readily available online this gen (that would be a lot of discs… lol).

  195. Roca.:

    “Actually I didn’t. A lot of times I would get stuff free as well (and still do) through the mail, though it is not nearly as much as what has been readily available online this gen (that would be a lot of discs… lol).”

    you still do huh..without the magazine huh??
    now you contradicting your self by trying to denied Cad/toshi were wrong and “FREE” demos were handed out through mailed by being a memeber of the Playstation Underground club.

    keep it up…stay classic carlb

  196. CarlB:

    “MSG, GOW, GT, KZ and Uncharted are milked franchises” (If you can link to where he actually said this I will apologize immediately)

    Fake quote and different from what was actually said.
    If you want to paraphrase roca, do not use quotations, otherwise it will be a “fake quote”.

    I never said free demos, posters, etc. didn’t exist before this gen roca, as I received them as well, but they were far outnumbered by demos that came with magazine subscriptions, one of which being the Playstation Underground which you originally had to pay for. I mainly had experience with this, and it looks like you might have caught on to it later when it “died”. I just let my sub run out.

    Wow. Looking at all those pictures makes me glad we can get them online almost instantaneously now.

  197. Roca.:

    “Fake quote and different from what was actually said.”

    it was a different quote as I didnt care enough to look for his stupid baised comment. but in the end it has the same meaning. but biased ppl like you wont see…by because now you beloved MS is being runned by the US department of Defence.. and you swore to serve and protect this country not matter what (even though they are as crooked as MS)

    “Wow. Looking at all those pictures makes me glad we can get them online almost instantaneously now.”

    ohh I didnt this, can you let me know which feature let you download free posters, get free accessories, and free gaming coupons? that must be one of you awesome MS only feature

  198. CarlB:

    “it was a different quote as I didnt care enough to look for his stupid baised comment.”

    Uh, if you copied and pasted the quote then you already looked it up. If you went from memory there is a good chance you rewrote what you thought he said, which is paraphrasing.

    “by because now you beloved MS is being runned by the US department of Defence..”

    What are you talking about?

    “can you let me know which feature let you download free posters, get free accessories, and free gaming coupons?”

    I was talking only about the free demos, but since you asked: XBL and PSN both have themes and wallpapers which act as virtual “posters” for your background, I know XBL has contests often where gamers get free accessories and other goodies (PSN may have an equivalent, though I haven’t seen it through my PSN front screen directly certainly it must have been there in the past, I did see a contest mentioned on Pulse where you could win a free Phurba Dagger replica from Uncharted 2 though, pretty cool stuff), XBL also has given out free games in the past, and heck, every demo available is “free gaming”, who needs a coupon?

    I didn’t even mention Microsoft or Sony there roca, I meant “we” as in you and I and all 360/PS3 owners, why did you feel the need to say “awesome MS only feature”? Most all of these features are available on 360 and PS3 now.

  199. Roca.:

    “who needs a coupon?”

    not you…you certainly dont buy game like me, you rent them from game fly which get you access to a bunch of coupons..the Sony coupon are not as good I must say

  200. CarlB:

    “you certainly dont buy game like me”

    Maybe not, though I have bought quite a few usually below $10 for 360 from NewEgg and others (maybe something to do with the “attach rate”…lol). And I’ve bought and sold/gaveaway a ton of games in previous generations. I did buy Lost Odyssey, Elder Scrolls Oblivion (360), Call of Duty 2 (360), Fallout 3 (360), Ultimate Sega Genesis Collection (360), PGR3, and Demon’s Souls for near full price near when they first came out though (not to mention a ton of great XBLA titles, FFVII and Suikoden through PSN – and on disc before… lol). I have about 27 360 games so far and 1 PS3 game (I sold back Uncharted).

  201. ToshithegreaT:

    “As I stated earlier, he wasn’t even referring these were “being milked” (Toshi please correct me if I’m wrong), only that if Microsoft exclusive sequels were accused of “milking the franchise” then it was funny how these Sony exclusive sequels were not.”

    @carlb

    See i think u got my point but unfortunastely not the guy with whom the debate was..He gets defensive with anything and everything related to sony,

    so i dont know what to say, thats why i told him to tell me where the hell, did i “STATED” that gow3, uncharted 2, KZ2 are “INDEED” instances of milking frandchises.. Atleast it was not a waste as someone did understood my point..

  202. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    carlb why are u so biased??? and all u xbots for that matter

  203. CarlB:

    “carlb why are u so biased?”

    Because I happen to like good individual games more than I do consoles. Because I happen to like good services that save me money and have a lot of quality at the same time. PS3 and 360 both have great examples of these. And because nothing is perfect, especially PS3 or 360 or Sony or Microsoft. Life happens, we are human and so are “biased” towards whatever we happen to enjoy at any given time, or away from whatever happens to annoy us at any given time. Tonight I was “biased” towards the 360 Netflix streaming capability watching the Sony Pictures movie, “The Children of Huang Shi”. Tomorrow I will be “biased” towards the PS3 when I play Demon’s Souls.

    “why are u so biased” you have to use the term “xbots” for that matter?

  204. Ivan_PSP:

    CarlB:
    I popularized the word Xbots is my fanboy trademarks for all Xbots owners.

    Also you need to sell that Xbox 360 already. You got a PS3 already The Ultimate Gaming Dream System. And we should be biased towards the PlayStation.

    Soon like Google, PlayStation will be included in the dictionary to define the meaning of what gaming is all about.

    We should make Youtube videos advertising the PlayStation family and take down any other non-PlayStation console.

    We need are massive PlayStation army of more then 300 million worldwide soldiers and unleash a non stop campaign against any gaming console other then a PlayStation.

    PlayStation POWER.

    FLAG ALL XBOX OR WII VIDEOS REPORT THEM ALL GIVE HIGH RATING TO ALL PLAYSTATION VIDEOS AND GOOD COMMENTS. DESTROY ANY NON-PLAYSTATION FORUM SPAM TE SHIT OUT IT.

    Lets unleash hell those wannabes.

    “PS3 only does EVERYTHING” “Live In Your World, Play In Ours” “Is GO Time”

    My PSN ID: Ivan-
    My Website: ivan_network.webs.com/
    My Youtube Name: ASK

  205. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    i say that only because i think u sell the ps3 short and not the 360 and it really sux bc ppl dont give it the credit it deserves…i have a 360 but dont consider myself a fanboy of it but yes a fan.. same with the ps3 but a little more bc i know 360 isnt hurting and ps3 is so i tend to pay more attention to the ps3. i want it to succeed bc i dont want it to say have to charge online to make a buck like xbox or turn all casual like the gimmicked wii and so on…ppl like u and i need to support the hardcore gaming bc its slowly going out the door, maybe

  206. ToshithegreaT:

    “CarlB:
    I popularized the word Xbots is my fanboy trademarks for all Xbots owners.

    Also you need to sell that Xbox 360 already. You got a PS3 already The Ultimate Gaming Dream System. And we should be biased towards the PlayStation.

    Soon like Google, PlayStation will be included in the dictionary to define the meaning of what gaming is all about.

    We should make Youtube videos advertising the PlayStation family and take down any other non-PlayStation console.

    We need are massive PlayStation army of more then 300 million worldwide soldiers and unleash a non stop campaign against any gaming console other then a PlayStation.

    PlayStation POWER.

    FLAG ALL XBOX OR WII VIDEOS REPORT THEM ALL GIVE HIGH RATING TO ALL PLAYSTATION VIDEOS AND GOOD COMMENTS. DESTROY ANY NON-PLAYSTATION FORUM SPAM TE SHIT OUT IT.

    Lets unleash hell those wannabes.

    “PS3 only does EVERYTHING” “Live In Your World, Play In Ours” “Is GO Time”

    My PSN ID: Ivan-
    My Website: ivan_network.webs.com/
    My Youtube Name: ASK”

    @Ivan..

    Plz dont mind my asking u this, But seriously how much sony pays you for this kind of shit, seriously..

    And sometimes i feel u r an xbox fanboy, coz any sane/unbiased gamer will never buy a playstation console after going thru ur msg’s..

    I AM SERIOUS :)

  207. CarlB:

    “i know 360 isnt hurting and ps3 is so i tend to pay more attention to the ps3.”

    Sorry, but I judge a console based on what I like about it (mainly games) and I’ve already given credit where it is due for all that I own. I’m not going to give it “more” just because it happens to be “hurting”.

    It is “hurting” right now (in my opinion it’s not really “hurting” at all, but we will use your terminology for the sake of the discussion) for a reason, and that is because a couple of months where the PS3 finally reached a tipping point in price, exclusive games, worthwhile features, and marketing does not make up for 3 years where it did not.

    “ppl like u and i need to support the hardcore gaming bc its slowly going out the door”

    I already do by buying and playing hardcore RPG games like Lost Odyssey and Demon’s Souls. And it is not going out the door, other gaming types are just becoming more mainstream, there will always be hardcore.

  208. Roca.:

    haha those comments is not going to save you…you a truly biased dude in favor of the 360 ppl.

    still havent admit free demos were there before the 360.
    still have to admit USB port were there before the 360
    still have to admit 360 does not have standard demos for disc-based games (only most games have demos just like the PS3 like you buddy buddy Toshi said)

    Phranc alrady called you out as a fanboy, ncaissie, kevo, etc

    “Sorry, but I judge a console based on what I like about it (mainly games)”

    yet you were judging them in favor of the 360 based of feature and a streaming service..and not give credit to some PS3 feature just because it something that you just dont care about.

    I never said the PS3 is the best console. I like the PS3 for what it is which BD, free PSN, reliable, wi-fi, upgraddable HDD, and for being able to produce great first party games on a monthly basis.

    those things you can even see it on PS3 flyers in some store and those thing are something you cant argue or counter in favor of the 360 (unless you come up with some I dont care for them)

    but still you argue those feature but let ppl get away with stuff like:
    -USB ports (Microsoft)
    -Parental Control (Microsoft)
    -Controller Rumble (Microsoft)
    -Online (Microsoft Continued from Sega)
    -or ppl like happy saying BD niche (but either way there are ppl who benefit from and specially when they get it free on the PS3)

    those you never argue. now if I say MS charged for free DLC (most recent case is Brutal Legend DLC) you attack me to hell.

    when I asked if you remember what toshi (im ignoring him) you turn everything on me and started bringing quotes from me calling names (which did related at all with what we were arguing which was the milking of franchise) thats just cold and baised.

    stay classic

  209. CarlB:

    “still havent admit free demos were there before the 360.”

    Actually I did roca, again you keep on reading what you want to see in order to argue for some reason:

    “I never said free demos, posters, etc. didn’t exist before this gen roca, as I received them as well, but they were far outnumbered by demos that came with magazine subscriptions”

    Let me rephrase this for you so you can feel better:
    Free demos did exist before this gen, and they were available for multiple brands of consoles for many years on physical media. PC games also had free demos available online as well. Occasionally they would come in the mail, come with games/consoles you purchase, be available at game stores, or be given out at shows on a CD. The earliest ones I can remember receiving were on Sega CD, though I am sure there were many before that as well.

    “still have to admit USB port were there before the 360″

    I never discussed USB ports. You need to talk to somebody else or see a psychiatrist.

    “still have to admit 360 does not have standard demos for disc-based games”

    What do you mean by “standard demos”? It has had a free demo available via digital distribution for almost all of the games that have come out this gen at one time or another. By doing this it has “set the standard” for free demos available via digital distribution on home gaming consoles.

    “Phranc alrady called you out as a fanboy, ncaissie, kevo, etc”

    Do you remember where exactly they did that? Did I say anything false or untrue? I don’t think so.

    “yet you were judging them in favor of the 360 based of feature and a streaming service..and not give credit to some PS3 feature just because it something that you just dont care about.”

    Dude. Seriously, I watch movies and shows as well as play games (hence the keyword “mainly”) and I prefer Netflix HD streaming to Hulu or Youtube. It is scheduled to be on PS3 soon and I’ll be one of the first to try it. Don’t get your panties in a bundle.

    “I never said the PS3 is the best console.”

    Then I guess you believe PS3 is not the best console, good to know.

    “you can even see it on PS3 flyers in some store and those thing are something you cant argue or counter in favor of the 360″

    I don’t, at least not the actual specs. But what is also on flyers is PR hype which one could argue all day.

    “let ppl get away with stuff like”

    Sorry roca, but I have a limited amount of time and can’t catch every little thing you happen to have a problem with what other people say. Here’s an idea, why don’t you answer them to the best of your ability if you care so much and try to worry less about what others answer or do not answer here.

    “or ppl like happy saying BD niche (but either way there are ppl who benefit from and specially when they get it free on the PS3)”

    You do not get BD “free” you have to pay extra for the PS3, partly because of this feature which has largely been underutilized this gen (so far) as far as providing a large, clear, distinct advantage in gaming (or movie watching for that matter, at least on setups like mine).

    So far I have noticed very little difference in graphics in games when compared to the 360, and very little when watching movies on BD compared to Netflix HD streaming (both of these are slightly better than upgraded DVD’s). BD will always be considered “niche” by some as long as it has not gained at least half the market, it has a long way to go but has made great strides, largely due to PS3 having it built in.

    “those you never argue.”
    I just did argue one, get over it.

    “now if I say MS charged for free DLC (most recent case is Brutal Legend DLC) you attack me to hell.”

    First of all I responded to you on this topic because you claimed 360 has “no FREE DLC” or that they were somehow charging more for all their DLC than Sony. It’s not the case, they each have their examples of exorbitantly overpriced (at least to us, not to fans who pay for it) and free DLC that is not so on the other console.

    Second of all, the Brutal Legend DLC has not come out yet, and Sony will be charging for it after two weeks because they cut a deal with EA. PS3 needs this because they are behind right now.

    joystiq.com/2009/10/27/first-brutal-legend-dlc-dated-nov-3-initially-free-on-ps3/

    “I asked if you remember what toshi (im ignoring him) you turn everything on me”

    I only mentioned the name calling to refresh your memory. Is that something you rather I would not have mentioned? My advice to you would simply be to not do it in the future if this is the case.

  210. Roca.:

    w.e fanboy

    Sony will not be charging for nothing (see the fanboy comment there) is a EA game Troll.

    you didnt mention nothing to refresh…it was just to be on his side from the begginning…

    soo your basically say what is on the flying are PR ads and those things are not true??? pathethic as always

  211. CarlB:

    “Sony will not be charging for nothing (see the fanboy comment there) is a EA game Troll.”

    What does this even mean roca? It’s hard to understand you sometimes… try complete sentences next time (or at least more complete ones).

    “it was just to be on his side from the begginning…”

    No roca, I’m on nobody’s “side”, I just like individual games more than I do brand names.

    “soo your basically say what is on the flying are PR ads and those things are not true??? pathethic as always”

    No, you ignored a very key part of what I said earlier yet again and twisted it into me stating flyers “are not true”. Read:

    “what is also on flyers is PR hype which one could argue all day.”

    “pathethic as always”

  212. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    the reason i stated ppl as xbots bc they bash the ps3 w/o even owning one

  213. CarlB:

    Whoa, Ivan trademarked it KSCA08, you should check with him first :)

    In any case, it kind of reminds me of people who bash the 360 w/o even owning one. But I will refrain from calling them PiSsbots.

  214. Roca.:

    “Sony will not be charging for nothing (see the fanboy comment there) is a EA game Troll.”

    What does this even mean roca? It’s hard to understand you sometimes… try complete sentences next time (or at least more complete ones)”

    Sony will not be charging for the demo. the demo is a EA game, so they are responsible for charging for it and not Sony. Sony does not enforce Publisher to charge for Free content.

  215. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    lol good one carlb

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