Gran Turismo 5 has a track editor?

November 3, 2009

Gran Turismo 5 has a track editor?Gran Turismo games have never been short on content. The number of cars, tracks, body kits, and tuning options in the games so far have been nothing short of miraculous. One thing it’s never had however is a track editor, which along with damage would be pretty high on most fans’ list of wants. Maybe Gran Turismo 5 can deliver on both counts.

We know that Gran Turismo 5 will feature body damage when it’s eventually released, but how severe the damage and how it will affect the car hasn’t yet been revealed.

But there’s now supposedly been confirmation that Gran Turismo 5 will feature a track editor. E4G claims to have it direct from the bods at Polyphony Digital that this is the case, with the site reporting a representative of the company as having said:

Yes it will have a track editor. You will be able to rebuild a track from scratch or edit the tracks that are already put in Gran Turismo 5.

I’m not convinced. Something often gets lost in translation when Japanese games developers are questioned, and this could easily be one of those times.

Sony has since told CVG:

We haven’t confirmed this [and] aren’t offering any other comment at this time.

There’s something in the back of my head telling me that Gran Turismo 5 isn’t going to have a track editor. If it does then it’ll be the first game in the series to feature any kind of user input, and I personally can’t see Kazunori Yamauchi sanctioning it. He’s too much of a perfectionist to let us commoners mess his his beloved creations.

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164 Responses to “Gran Turismo 5 has a track editor?”

  1. CarlB:

    There’s something in the back of my head telling me that Gran Turismo 5″ is going to have a track editor… 4 years of development time and something beyond “teh graphics”(!) and “more cars”(!).

  2. harry sachz:

    a track editor would be fun.

  3. Ivan_PSP:

    Things just keep getting better by the second glad to be PlayStation fanatic we are on unstoppable streak for selling and for exclusive games also for for having the most consoles selling and the most features. Sony is unleashing a whole new war.

    Gran Turismo 5 is going to rule the sales chart well if the God of War III Ultimate Edition allows it. A track editor is really good to have.

    harry sachz:
    Hell yeah.

    CarlB:
    So what get over it or don’t buy it so simple just play your Forza MotorSport 3 little game. It takes time to to meet all expectations and to succeed beyond perfection like UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves has achieved.

  4. Roca.:

    this will probably show kev that GT5 is no where near being 100% complete.

    I wonder what other features they are going to announce befero the game hits the street. This game is getting new features after new features. I wonder wants next

  5. oldschool1987:

    Who cares what the school boy Kev thinks? As far as I’m concerned all of his comments are meaningless and false.

    He’s totally blinded by his fanboyism. Why can’t most people be like harry Sachz, he seems unbiased and fair to both consoles.

    Kev’s a little boy who needs to grow up and stop calling everyone a fanboy when he is the worst kind.

    I’ve asked him to prove he’s not a school boy many times, like show me a facebook account, myspace, anything but he always dodges these questions. Probably to busy doing his homework to answer.

  6. Rhino:

    Just wish they’d hurry and release the damn thing!!

  7. SW:

    Good lord, by the time they release this thing in 2025 it will be a full ‘life of a race car driver simulator’ ;)

  8. Spideydog:

    ROFLMAO

  9. Ivan_PSP:

    oldschool1987:
    You are so fucking right no one gives a shit wtf kev thinks.

    Hey harry sachz is just like that sometimes. I would say thought he changed a lot he was a really huge Xbot before like in 07 and 08.

    SW:
    PS3 has many games that can satisfied your waiting need.

    UPS is bringing my other 80GB PS3 the 6th.

  10. Happyhockum:

    I can’t help thinking that if this was one of the Xboxes biggest and best known titles that was being continually delayed (how many years late now is this?) the resident PS3 fanboy shills would be all over this.

  11. kev:

    i see this as a possibility. It’s not too hard to do. PGR 2 had a track editor and that came out years ago.

    it’s hardly used tho. there’s a lot more that goes into making a fun and challenging track than a lot of people realize.

    besides, knowing the track aids in obtaining best times.

    Happy – agreed!

    btw; I’m at Driver Level 45 in Forza Motorsports 3 and have no desire to quit. This game is the most amazing driving game i’ve ever played on a console. How does GT5 incorporate the use of clutches on their controller? FM3 has clutch use so i assumed GT5 would have it as well. thanks.

  12. oldschool1987:

    Kev bore off.

  13. Roca.:

    “I can’t help thinking that if this was one of the Xboxes biggest and best known titles that was being continually delayed ”

    delay = when a game had a “official” release date from the publisher, then it gets release at a later date.

    MAG is a good example of a game being delay. GT5, not so much

  14. Saber_HAHAha:

    Oh, please, please don’t mess this game up Polyphony. You had 5 flipping years, now I expect something twice as good as Forza 3. Though that might now happen… oh well, I have faith in these guys

  15. CarlB:

    “So what get over it or don’t buy it so simple”

    Um… Ivan, NOBODY can buy it yet. “so simple”.

    “A track editor is really good to have.”

    And four months from now if GT5 doesn’t have one, Ivan will then translate this to “who cares about a track editor?”. :)

  16. CarlB:

    “delay = when a game had a “official” release date from the publisher, then it gets release at a later date.”

    So a game can’t get delayed or go through delays without “a ‘official’ release date from the publisher” roca? Riiiggght. :)

  17. Roca.:

    how is it going to the delay when there is no release date for it? development time period might get extended but when there is no release date confirm we CANT expect the game to come out whenever we want to…

    Prologue was proof that GT5 is nowhere near release. so tell me? how are you going to delay something where there no set date for it. its the same with FF13, never had a official release date (now it does in JP, so if it comes out later then FF13 got delay) are you going to argue that too just because its a PS3?

    same with Last Gardian, everybody was expectin the game to come out this year, now they are expecting it to come out next year, so if it doesnt come out, does this mean it got delay, because just as GT5, Last Gardian release date has been “TBA” and a “TBA” game can’t really get delay

  18. Roca.:

    I know how this is going to end ;)
    becasuse its becoming a trend now.

    Happy started it, Calrb join to defend him, then CAD, CON and Kev the defend the brotherhood…then Toshi comes out of no where to back them up, and finally Harry has no choice but to join forces and defend them with his soul

  19. CAD:

    It’s delayd when you release a Bumber car game called Prologue and tell people that the full game will be released at Christmas 2008 and then it gets pushed back and then in August your told the game is ready to be released only to go to TGS 09 and realize that Forza 3 is making you look bad so you push the game into 2010 and ……………

  20. Happyhockum:

    “its becoming a trend now”

    LMAO

    Coming from the regular Ivan/Roca double act that is priceless.

    The day any of us start posting long lists of Microsoft products and prices is the day you get to complain fairly comparing like with like.
    I’ve never seen anyone do that excepting you doing your Ivan/Roca BS.

    You’re just gurning your eyes out cos it’s a perfectly fair and valid criticism.

    You only have to look at any thread about Alan Wake to see exactly the sort of whinging cry-baby hypocrite you are being right now.

  21. Roca.:

    Roca/Ivan

    lol you still with that? I thought you were already past puberty. lol

    Happy: “The day any of us start posting long lists of Microsoft products and prices is the day you get to complain fairly comparing like with like”

    funny becuase all I have been seeing from you for the past 6 months (Besides BD haters talk) is:
    -my exlite cost me (insert prices for all region and countries)
    -the Super elite cost (insert prices for all region and countries)in the UK
    -my Wi-fi only cost me (insert prices for all region and countries)
    -my BD stand alone cost (insert prices for all region and countries)
    -my play and charge kit cost me (insert prices for all region and countries)
    -my new external HDD cost me (insert prices for all region and countries)
    -my XBL subscribtion cost me (insert prices for all region and countries)
    -my HDMi cable cost me (insert prices for all region and countries)

    hahaha this guy is a joke. with all that you could have a assemble a PS3..btw next time just do the dollar currency (not everybody is as dumb as you.

    now I can say ” I TOLD YOU SOOO”
    the brotherhood is gathering ;)

  22. Roca.:

    -GT5 release date: TBA

    then based on your comments it GT5 gets delay (by you)

    -**new GT5 release date: TBA**

    you guys are cracking me up!! keep it up, it just make my day go faster

  23. CAD:

    Roca do you realize how many times that status has been changed. Of course it’s TBA because all we know is Q1 2010. So really a TBA status in incorrect because it has been announced for Q1 2010.

  24. kev:

    CAD – unfortunately, your explanation is prolly close to the truth. Even the Japanese are finding out how great Forza 3 is. It even broke into Japan’s top 10. Pretty impressive on the console with the smallest userbase in Japan by a large margin. GT5’s creators, PD, were very impressed with Forza 3 at E3 as well.

    It was hilarious watching all the ps3 fanboys after E3 when PD said GT5 would be here for the holidays. “The Holidays belong to the PS3!,” they would sing with Ivan leading the choir.

    Anyone who knows Kaz knows he has a long history of lying to his fans about launch timeframes and his game’s capabilities. This was just one more example.

    The reality is, Roca is such a diehard ps3 fanboy, anything short of a sworn affidavit to the launch date won’t meet his criteria for a launch date or delay.

    Technically, PD never gave a firm “date” but they did give a window of the “holidays”. Either way, they lied….again.

    Roca has selective memory and forgot about E3’s announcement and the subsequent ps3 fanboy dance that followed….

    Oldschool – “bore off”? wtf….all I asked was where GT5’s clutch was on the PS3 controller? If you don’t know, just ignore the question..… maybe a real GT5 fan can say.

    In the meantime, congrats on your track editor. I had fun with it when I used it in 2004.

    ROCA – I know how it’s going to end also. You’ll end up closing your eyes to reality, calling people names, then move on to hyping GT5 capabilities (which may or may not be true since the game is not finished), then ignore the thread when you get proven wrong. It’s what you do….your “thang”…so to speak.

  25. CAD:

    Anyways have you guys tried GTA4 TBoGT. This is how GTA4 should have been. WOW!! I’m hooked and loving every moment of it. I literally had to pry myself away from the TV last night just so I could go to bed. If I could I would have played it all night. I talked to a buddy last night to who was hooked just like me and we agreed that this was the best GTA since San Andres. You feel so much more connected to this character and story compared to L&D which is good within it’s own but does not quite compare to TBoGT. If your a GTA fan and felt that the original story just did not do it for you then TBoGT is it.

  26. RobertCarr316:

    I have only really been able to play gran turismo games cause I have always hated that crapy street racing games and I never liked FM1 and 2 cause I just thought GT4 and GT5p was better but I got to play FM3 and I have to say it’s an amazing game it plays way better then FM2 I still think GT is better cause it’s the closest driving sim available but I’m defo buying FM3 soon to keep me busy until GT5 and they way you can car design you cars is cool

  27. Roca.:

    “Roca do you realize how many times that status has been changed. Of course it’s TBA because all we know is Q1 2010. So really a TBA status in incorrect because it has been announced for Q1 2010.”

    actually it has now been announce to come out in March in JP. so it if doesnt come out then you have ur first valid delay there.

    the Game had no release date in the GT website and it had TBA in the Plasytation website until recently (until after the March 2010 announcement)
    every other website had their “own” estimated release time frame for GT5. Just like some are estimating KZ3 will come out next year (2009) but no official word or release date from the Publisher (Sony)

  28. Roca.:

    Kev “Technically, PD never gave a firm “date” but they did give a window of the “holidays””

    show me the Official press released or Official statement from Sony.

  29. Roca.:

    actually PD CANT give a official release date. Publishers make the desicion or final say on when to release a game.

  30. kev:

    ROCA – tell it to the room full of journalists and industry personnel at E3. they all heard it, and there were even articles written about it on the ‘net. go look.

    like i said, anything short of an affidavit won’t work for you. pathetic…..

  31. Roca.:

    “Roca has selective memory and forgot about E3’s announcement and the subsequent ps3 fanboy dance that followed….”

    what was the E3 announcement Kev? because all they showed was a GT5 trailer showcasing Track Racing, Nascar, W2R and Damange.

  32. Roca.:

    When ppl were estimating a Christmass 2009 release date:

    “Sony Says Gran Turismo 5 Release Date Still Unconfirmed, Christmas 2009 is not official”

    http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3171617

  33. kev:

    i can’t find a link to any e3 announcements. believe what you want.

    oh well… i think you have a point. Until Sony, and ONLY sony gives a firm launch date, GT5 remains vaporware and so do the hyped features.

  34. Roca.:

    Kev- “tell it to the room full of journalists and industry personnel at E3. they all heard it, and there were even articles written about it on the ‘net. go look.”

    they all heard it??? right…what an Idiot.

    So, tell why Sony would announce something to only Journalist, instead of making a mass announcement at E3? journalist get paid for creating rummors and stuff like this….you really need to grow up

  35. Roca.:

    “oh well… i think you have a point. Until Sony, and ONLY sony gives a firm launch date, GT5 remains vaporware and so do the hyped features.”

    thanks

  36. ncaissie:

    I agree with Carlb. It better, for taking this long to make. This is probably one of the few games I will pay $50 for. New or used are the same to me.

    I was very impressed with the Forza commercial and wish I could play it. If my bro buys it I may borrow his 360. That is if he can get it fixed.

  37. ncaissie:

    @CAD: “the full game will be released at Christmas 2008″
    Show me where Sony stated this please.

  38. ncaissie:

    @key What in the hell is “prolly”?

  39. kev:

    roca – where’s the clutch on GT5? i’ve been searching but can’t find any articles of GT5 using a clutch… odd…

  40. Roca.:

    I dont think my dualshock as a clutch on it.

    oh btw, can you use the stick for gas/brake in Forza?

  41. kev:

    Roca – why would anyone want to use the same stick for gas and brake? this method doesn’t allow for using the gas and brake at the same time. A very real technique in high speed driving…..

    Thankfully, FM3’s accelerator and brake are used with triggers. Their sensitivity is the the most accurate of any console driving games i’ve ever played. A face button wouldn’t do and i’d hate to have to choose to either gas or break, but not both… bleh…

  42. kev:

    roca – i don’t think the controllers themselves have clutches, i was wondering what button the ps3 uses to engage/disengage the clutch betwween shifts…. shoulder button, face button, d-pad…?

  43. ncaissie:

    “i can’t find a link to any e3 announcements. believe what you want.”
    Go figure! LOL

  44. ncaissie:

    “GT5 remains vaporware”? You are such a fuckin tool it’s pathetic.
    I’m not going to bother reading your posts anymore either.

  45. Roca.:

    “You are such a fuckin tool it’s pathetic.”

    did you just noticed that, he is been like this for as long as I can remember

  46. kev:

    ncaissie – actually, i did…

    ***.gtchannel.com/showcontent.php?tag_id=8452

    2009 launch date “almost certain”….

    i was willing to let it drop, but you just HAD to open your mouth…

    it’s funny tho; if sony had integrity they would have publicly discounted the claims of the 2009 launch that the “articles” kept claiming… but alas…sony hasn’t ever really been a very honorable company….

  47. kev:

    ncaissie – thank you. my posts are obviously over your head. :)

  48. ncaissie:

    Is gtchannel.com a Sony rep? If not don’t waist my time.
    I can’t see it from work so I’ll look at home.

  49. kev:

    ncaissie – you know how i feel. I can’t get to a lot of the e3 articles b/c of firewalls at work. unforturnately, you ps3 fanboys call it an excuse…

  50. Roca.:

    Kev “why would anyone want to use the same stick for gas and brake? ”

    you surely havent play any GT game. lol

    why would anyone use triggers? on the PS3 you have a “pedal-shape buttons” for L2 and R2, which is better for racing games. and the Stick is way better and more precise than any triggers or buttons.

  51. ncaissie:

    That’s because you don’t make any sense. You talk like you have Greenbergs D@#k in your @$$.

  52. ncaissie:

    I want to see Sony articles not E3.

  53. Roca.:

    Kev: “2009 launch date “almost certain”….”

    I dont think Kev is all there..“almost certain” from a bootleg website. are you fucking with us? dont waste my time with worthless quotes

  54. kev:

    ROCA – actually, i’ve played them all since the first one hit the ps.

    triggers are much more exact and precise. you can’t call the face buttons precise..not even close..

    the shoulder buttons only rise off the surface abouty 1/16th of an inch. not enough play to get accurate throttle/brake application.

    “why would anyone use triggers?” ..now that’s funny…lmao…

    1. it give you more exacting throttle/brake control.
    2 you can gas and brake at the same time
    3. you can hold the throttle at exact RPMs, almost impossible on GT games.
    4. much more comfortable.

    ..believe what you want….

  55. Roca.:

    Sony did not say anythin about GT5 at E3 they only showed a trailer…they did announced the release date of GT PSP though

  56. kev:

    ncaissie – wtf is greenburg? lmao…what a loser…

  57. Roca.:

    “actually, i’ve played them all since the first one hit the ps.”

    what was the best car in GT 1 and GT2???

  58. kev:

    ROCA – i think i’ve made my point. later fanboys…

  59. kev:

    ROCA – SKYLINE!!!!

  60. kev:

    roca – just kidding…i said skyline b/c PD loves them, apparently…

    go ask your questions somewhere else…. no matter what i say, you won’t agree…. like i said, it’s your “thang”…fanboy.

  61. Roca.:

    Kev “triggers are much more exact and precise. you can’t call the face buttons precise..not even close..”

    triggers? face buttons? I said Analog stick. pigs will fly the day triggers become more precise than Analog Sticks

  62. Roca.:

    on GT1 best car could any from a range of 3? any guess?

    GT2 best car is just one specific car and one car only

  63. Roca.:

    10 mins after ?? no answer

  64. kev:

    roca – when you can’t gas and brake together, you have a problem. no can do using an analog stick.

    the sticks are better for steering and looking around. Like with FM.

    how do you look around in all directions with GT5 if your using your stick for the gas and ther other stick for the steering?

  65. CAD:

    “triggers? face buttons? I said Analog stick. pigs will fly the day triggers become more precise than Analog Sticks”

    Well let the flying of the Pigs begin.

  66. Roca.:

    Kev, “how do you look around in all directions with GT5 if your using your stick for the gas and ther other stick for the steering?”

    tell me how you do that inside a real car!

    for a racing game (gas):

    Analog Sticks > Pedal > Trigger > face buttons

  67. Roca.:

    “roca – when you can’t gas and brake together, you have a problem. no can do using an analog stick”

    you can Still use the PS3 Pedals, face buttons and pull the sticks to the right or left…its that simple

  68. Roca.:

    best cars from GT1 and GT2 kev? im sure you played them all

  69. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    Full of sh*t as usual.

    “you still with that? I thought you were already past puberty. ”

    It’s as plain as can be that you’re the same barely intelligible poster.

    “funny becuase all I have been seeing from you for the past 6 months (Besides BD haters talk) is:
    -my exlite cost me (insert prices for all region and countries)
    -the Super elite cost (insert prices for all region and countries)in the UK
    -my Wi-fi only cost me (insert prices for all region and countries)
    -my BD stand alone cost (insert prices for all region and countries)
    -my play and charge kit cost me (insert prices for all region and countries)
    -my new external HDD cost me (insert prices for all region and countries)
    -my XBL subscribtion cost me (insert prices for all region and countries)
    -my HDMi cable cost me (insert prices for all region and countries)”

    Nothing funny about it.
    If it has come up in a thread I have said how much my Elite cost me, that’s true.
    In a thread where the cost of the Elite and/or console prices was mentioned.

    That’s nothing like the same as your f*ckwit alter-ego making a post which ‘recommends’ certain Sony TVs for games and a list of other BS.

    Similarly, in completely different threads, the cost of XBL and the cost of my external hard drive.

    I have mentioned how little HDMI cables cost (when you were gurning in a different thread about the new Elite – like the PS3 – now coming without one).

    I have no memory of ever mentioning how much a play and charge kit cost me (it wasn’t much).

    My multi-format high definition stand-alone is no longer made & sold so I could hardly be advertising that, and once again it was hardly part of a list, merely mentioned ina relevant thread.

    I have never posted (with absolutely no relevance to the thread) a list of Microsoft products (or anybody else’s products) in the way your shill alter-ego has recently with that Sony product list he posted.

    My comments have invariably come after you or one of the fanboys here has made some ridiculously exaggerated claim about prices.

    But as usual you make a ludicrous leap to defend the indefensible.

    Afterall it’s exactly why you said yourself that you are here, to try to ‘influence people’.

    That sort of pathetic saddo cr@p is a world away from my posting the truth of my own experience to rebutt your lying PR.

    You remain as pathetic as always.
    Shill.

  70. Ivan_PSP:

    Oh my god…

  71. ncaissie:

    “ncaissie – wtf is greenburg? lmao…what a loser…”

    “Aaron Greenberg” you idot. Man you are retarded.

  72. ncaissie:

    Kev is full of shit. He didn’t play them all. He i only getting you going Roca. You need to start skipping his posts like I do th the HH dickhead.

  73. JofaMang:

    Here, i’ll help the little liar out:

    GT1 – The Copperhead concept car (can’t remember what it was called in the game, been a LONG time)
    GT2 – Escudo

  74. twilight:

    Sony never officially announced that Gran Turismo was coming out this year. It was just all speculation.

  75. MisterX:

    I did the quick search out of curiosity. This has been going on since 2008?! This is what I stumbled

    gtplanet.net/more-gran-turismo-5-release-date-confusion/

  76. CarlB:

    “how is it going to the delay when there is no release date for it?”

    Before a release date is announced, the game can be finished, and a title that was originally planned to be released by the publisher (even without an “official” release date from said publisher) for the holidays is pushed back to Q1 2010, as many titles have been because of the glut of games this holiday season.

  77. kev:

    I’m back. Sorry, it’s tough to break away at work sometimes.

    I can’t remember a whole lot about GT1, but the fastest (if I remember) in GT2 was that Suzuki. Nothing could beat it. I forgot the model. Congrats, you must be a bigger GT fan than me to remember the fastest car in a 10 year old game that has hundreds of cars in its stable. You must be so proud. The girls must faint at your mere presence…..

    And really, what does that question have to do with anything on topic? Hint: it doesn’t. Your tactic of trying to change subjects to avoid the facts is pretty transparent by now.

    That reminds me, why do you GT5 fanboys mock Forza 3 for having two disks? GT2 came on 2 disks, didn’t it? And noone said a thing negative about it……… doeth I smelleth hypocrites? You guys are just the worse …lmao…

    Anyway, you can believe what you want about the triggers versus sticks. It must be a matter of opinion. I remember how excited I was when analog sticks were used for racing games for the first time on the ps. It was huge leap forward in throttle/brake control over face/shoulder buttons, imo. However, time goes on and triggers are easily the new leap forward in that area. Better comfort, better accuracy, better realism, better control.

    Then again, innovation does come outside of Sony from time to time, regardless of what the ps3 fanboys think.

    I don’t think you’ll ever understand how exacting triggers are until you’ve used them in a game like Forza 3 where exact throttle control is needed when dealing with 500hp monsters in a simulation environment. It’s much easier to “dance” with the car with the tight throttle/brake control that FM3 offers. I won’t even address how much easier it is to drift with trigger over sticks. Not even a competition. Triggers win hands down.

    It all goes back to the PS3’s inability to brake and throttle together using the same stick for both. Bleh….

    Sticks are great for looking around and steering in racing games. I just can’t imagine how GT5 drivers look around during a race if both sticks are already being used. How does one do that in GT5 while racing?

    Anyway, the difference between you and I is that I’ve actually been (and still am) a GT fan. You’ve never been a Forza fan. It’s hard putting credibility to your posts with this level of bias. Then again, given your history of incoherent babbling, I’m thinking you’re more interested in inflating the post count than offering up fact-based debates, based on merits.

    Did anyone figure out how Kaz will implement the use of a clutch in GT5? Everyone seems to be ducking this question. I thought Ivan would know. He seems to be the largest GT5 “fan” here. It shouldn’t be too hard for Kaz to put in there since the ps3 has shoulder buttons. If the sticks are used for throttle/brake, that leaves many available for the clutch.

    My point was simply congrats on the track editor. Then again, given your idea that nothing that doesn’t come from sony isn’t credible, we may as well throw this entire article in the trash as empty hype. Much of what GT5 will offer has been empty hype so far, so we can just add this rumor to the pile.

    I just don’t know why I got hammered for saying congrats and asking a question. You ps3 fanboys got issues, man….lmao…

    Anyway, I’m out for the night. Time to get back to Forza 3. Nothing beats passing cars at 170 mph while Godsmack and the screams of the Porsche engine fill all speakers…. Mmmmm…racing goodness on all levels….

    I really wasn’t making a dig at the fact that GT5 doesn’t have Porsche, I just love racing Porshe.

    Ncaissie – I couldn’t tell if you meant Greenberg (MS) or Greenawalt (Turn 10). Next time, check your spelling. Idiot…

  78. kev:

    roca – “Kev, “how do you look around in all directions with GT5 if your using your stick for the gas and ther other stick for the steering?”

    tell me how you do that inside a real car!”

    easy, one foot on the gas one on the brake, head looks around….

    someday, when you’re old enough to drive you’ll understand.

  79. ToshithegreaT:

    @misterX:

    Nice find dude.. but i m sure, within this tuesday night raw ps3 vs xbox 360 championship, it will be overlooked for the sake of (fake) arguments..

  80. oldschool1987:

    kev the ‘Bore off’ remark was just me being a bit of a cock, some of your comments are annoying is all lol.

    Your just so hypocritical calling everyone but yourself a fan boy, even me and I hate being called that lol.

  81. ToshithegreaT:

    http://oxcgn.com/2008/12/25/gt5-not-out-until-2010-at-earliest-news-straight-from-kazunori-yamauchi/

    Really funny article guys, u gotta see this, Its an xbox biased site which stated that GT will indeed release in “2010″, while ps3 fanboys corrected them that the game is indeed coming in 2009, and stating that gt series do run into delays and stuff, they finally had to update the article with stating it will come in 2009 and telling ps3 fanboys (not ps3 owners) to GROW UP.. lol :)

  82. CAD:

    “what was the best car in GT 1 and GT2???”

    Oh Roca you keep asking this question. Are you trying to catch someone lying? Anyways I played both GT1 and GT2 not in it’s entirety but not even I could tell you what the best care is in GT. Isn’t it all upto prefrence? Anyways I think I used to drive the Nissan Fairlady aka 300Z.

  83. CAD:

    Sorry not “care” but “car”

  84. harry sachz:

    “Happy started it, Calrb join to defend him, then CAD, CON and Kev the defend the brotherhood…then Toshi comes out of no where to back them up, and finally Harry has no choice but to join forces and defend them with his soul”

    When you’re finished playing the victim, how about you take a minute to think about this?

    In most cases, you are the only person on the PS3 side of the fence who is singled out, and nobody else on the PS3 side of the fence have chimed in. Do you think you might know why that is?

  85. oldschool1987:

    Not to keen on racing games myself. I won’t be getting GT5.

  86. SW:

    “Do you think you might know why that is?”

    You’re jealous of the size of his wang? ;)

  87. oldschool1987:

    SW why do you hate COD so much? A lot of your comments are ‘Fuck Infinity Ward’ lol.

  88. harry sachz:

    lol SW, the length doesn’t bother me, it’s his girth that pisses me off.

  89. harry sachz:

    oldschool, not even for a hire?

    Forza 3 is a lot of fun for me at the moment. I tried the online multiplayer last night, got flogged (I was using cars from the selection available, whereas other users were using their tuned up cars from their own garage), but at least i got to ram a few people as they were flying past me.

  90. JofaMang:

    SW is pissed about MW2 using player hosted game servers, instead of dedicated servers. I won’t be buying it either because of this, still have sour memories of how it affected COD4. But even with dedicated servers, it would have been suspect for me, as I am heavily burnt out on FPS, especially of the COD variety.

  91. oldschool1987:

    @ Harry do you mean renting GT5?

    I’m not very wise when it comes to gaming tech stuff, whats the difference between dedicated and hosted servers then?

  92. Roca.:

    Kev

    it took you the who day (googling?) to come up close to the answer?

    how can anyone forget the Escudo, right Jofa?

    you waited for Jofa to give a hint, then you google them. lol

    CarlB,

    show when Sony had planned GT for Holydays 09?

  93. Roca.:

    Harry joined the Brotherhood…i was 90% right after all.

  94. CarlB:

    “CarlB, show when Sony had planned GT for Holydays 09?”

    Roca, I’m not here to say they did, or to be “right”, or to be a “double agent”(whatever that means), or even to be part of “the Brotherhood” (whatever that is), just that games have been delayed before without “official” release dates from publishers for varying reasons; and that it is possible GT5 could fall into this category as well.

  95. harry sachz:

    @ oldschool, yep.

    Brotherhood? What are you rattling on about now?

  96. oldschool1987:

    Nah I don’t think I will mate. I’m so shit at racing games that I’ve just given up on ‘em lol. I won’t buy it or rent it just for it’s graphics either.

  97. Roca.:

    nacissie: “Kev is full of shit. He didn’t play them all. He i only getting you going Roca. You need to start skipping his posts like I do th the HH dickhead”

    sorry, when you are bored at work (with no access to any other website) you tend to pay attention to stupid comments, like Kev saying GT5 had a release date for 2009 and then bring a like where it stated GT “2009 launch date “almost certain””

    Twilight: “Sony never officially announced that Gran Turismo was coming out this year. It was just all speculation.”

    thanks

    Jofa: “Here, i’ll help the little liar out:
    GT1 – The Copperhead concept car (can’t remember what it was called in the game, been a LONG time)
    GT2 – Escudo”

    why you did that, did you see his answer after you helped him. (5 hrs after I asked him). The Suzuki Escudo is a obvious answer if you really played GT2 (you cant really say you forgot). I use to do the 80 laps event in “reverse” with the Escudo. that how fast that shit is.

  98. ToshithegreaT:

    “Harry joined the Brotherhood…i was 90% right after all.”

    @troll

    I wud happily back up “THE” brotherhood, who can atleast argue with facts and figures and without calling names in comparision to the resident ignorant fanboy, who’s main source of information is “MY FRIEND”..

  99. harry sachz:

    We should call ourselves ‘Club Donkey’

  100. oldschool1987:

    Come on people, some one tell me what’s the difference between dedicated and hosted servers please! lol

  101. JofaMang:

    Dedicated = Server farm somewhere hooked up to a giant internet connection. All games are hosted there, to allow everyone to make the most of their available bandwidth.

    Hosted = Too cheap to set up servers, so coded the game to be hosted by people playing the game with you. Result? The entire game plays at the host’s connection. Host has a shit connection? (or like me, your ISP caps uploads at 100KB/s, while i get 4-5MB/s download speeds). Then everyone has a shitty experience in the match.

    It is one of the best selling game series of the decade, from one of the largest and most profitable games companies around, and they skimp on the servers? FUCK INFINITY WARD.

  102. Happyhockum:

    “brotherhood”

    Another laughably shameless remark.
    You’d think nobody ever saw Ivan/Roca telling people to pi$$ off cos this “is a PS3 site”.

    (in your dreams f*ckwit)

  103. Roca.:

    “I wud happily back up “THE” brotherhood, who can atleast argue with facts and figures ”

    toshi joined…I was 95% right (CON ur the only one Missing) are you talkin about facts like “GT 2009 launch date “almost certain”

  104. Roca.:

    somebody gave me a good advice yesterday
    “You need to start skipping his posts like I do to the HH dickhead””

    Thanks, I am already doing it ;)

  105. Happyhockum:

    Laughable.

    No you’re not, you’re doing what that other idiot ncassie does, you respond but pretend not to be responding to me (like you just did here).

    Pathetic.

    You are about 13 or so, aren’t you?

  106. Roca.:

    so back to Gran Turismo…

    Dave Parrack: “There’s something in the back of my head telling me that Gran Turismo 5 isn’t going to have a track editor. If it does then it’ll be the first game in the series to feature any kind of user input, and I personally can’t see Kazunori Yamauchi sanctioning it. He’s too much of a perfectionist to let us commoners mess his his beloved creations.”

    I would like to see a track editor feature, what you said is so true. so I doubt it

  107. oldschool1987:

    @ JofaMang: Cheers mate :) So that’s why sometimes when I play online I get kicked outta match and it says ‘Connection to Host has been lost’? That’s shit! That’s why I stopped playing COD4 online! It’s irritating lol.

    IW have the cheek to charge more for this game but give us less? I just canceled my pre-order now… seriously. I’ll get it second hand when it’s down in price. Conning bastards.

  108. Roca.:

    lol @ oldschool.

    what did you have pre-ordered? the Prestige Edition ;) .

  109. kev:

    ROCA – your response was weak. I got an idea, just ignore my posts like you said you were going to do. Let me know if you need me to dig up the link in which you said it. Thanks. Btw; I could’ve come back with the response in .05 seconds and you would have accused me of using Google. Grow up….

    Why do you keep ducking the clutch question?

    Your solution of mapping the brake to a button adds an additional problem.

    The move from buttons to sticks for acceleration and braking on the controller was done because it was more exacting, agreed? When you move back to the button for braking, you’re removing the benefit of the analog stick. If you were driving a car without anti-lock.brakes, you would lock up every time the button was flush with the controller face as this would represent maximum braking. This simply wouldn’t do at 180 mph and does not end well when I’ve locked up a Ferrari 430 in the Forza 3 while going into a corner.

    So, by moving your brake to a button you lose the benefit of greater accuracy and control when it’s needed. By keeping it on the stick, you remove the benefit of a gas/brake combo. Either way, a sacrifice must be made where one shouldn’t be.

    It doesn’t sound like you’ve ever used the 360 triggers for racers before so it’s impossible to make you understand without a frame of reference. Until you have, and experienced the vastly superior control and tactile response over analog sticks, it’s like trying to describe a Angelina Jolie to a blind guy. A description alone somehow falls short.

    I can’t believe this has digressed into this from my one question about GT5’s clutch and congratulating you on the track editor in GT5…. Geez….

    Anyway, it’s a busy week, so I’ll check in later to read the answer about GT5’s clutch. Thanks!

    it’s funny watching you guys call the tracks Kaz’s “creations”…lmao…

  110. Roca.:

    you can brake/Gas in GT using the face buttons, Sticks or the L2/R2 pedals (you can even use the 3 button layout at the same timem or however you like it)….. ohh how I love freedom

    back to the clutch question,
    most professionla racers dont use the clutch. You only need to clutch for starting and stopping. Once the car is moving you can shift without the clutch as long as you know what you’re doing. The clutch has nothing to do with engine braking. Even most street cars can be shifted without the clutch. where have you been all these years.

  111. kev:

    roca – where is the clutch in GT5? i don’t want to hear your opinion of them…. just point to it..

    yes.. face buttons for gas and brakes…ooo..teh freedom…so great that sony invented analog sticks to use instead… in fact you were just claiming sticks were better than anything, buttons included..

    you’re a fool….lmao…

  112. phranctoast:

    technically every button on the PS controller is an analog button.

    Even the face button react different the harder you push them.

    Oh and having a 360 controller, and can tell you without a doubt that the shoulder buttons (L2, R2) is significantly better for racers. They do suck as triggers though which is why I prefer the L1 R1 for aim/shoot.

  113. oldschool1987:

    ‘what did you have pre-ordered? the Prestige Edition’

    @ Roca: LMFAO did I fuck! I would not pay that much for a game, no matter how good it’s meant to be! I’m just not that excited by this game atm. Plenty more better ones coming out :)

  114. Roca.:

    he just dont get it Phranc!

    BTW, GT5 just release a video of the newly Toyora FT-86
    real life pic:
    (h**p://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/toyota_ft_86_concept_images_003.jpg)

    GT5:
    http://www.gtplanet.net/toyota-ft-86-gran-turismo-5-screenshots/

  115. JofaMang:

    AE-86 part II? TOFU DELIVERIES UP THE MOUNTAIN?

  116. kev:

    phranc – given 99% of your posts are pro-ps3 propoganda, i’m gonna have to pass on your opinion. 1/16 of an inch (face button, shoulder button) is not going to give more control than a trigger offering over a full inch in range of motion.

    but opinions are nice….

    can you help me out with the clutch question in GT5? did i miss something? is there one in GT5?

  117. Roca.:

    trasnlation please? lol

  118. kev:

    roca – that’s cool. got any ingame videos of racing against other cars, maybe from the behind-the-car-view?

    i’d love to see the AI of GT5. historically, the series was always weak in that area. I’m hoping they’ve clean it up a bunch…

  119. Roca.:

    sticks are more presice than TRIGGER YOU IDIOT…then only thing more presice than a Analog stick is a Mouse. seriously Kev dont be a ignorant

  120. ToshithegreaT:

    “toshi joined…I was 95% right (CON ur the only one Missing) are you talkin about facts like “GT 2009 launch date “almost certain”

    Here’s facts for u roca

    http://oxcgn.com/2008/12/25/gt5-not-out-until-2010-at-earliest-news-straight-from-kazunori-yamauchi/

  121. Roca.:

    can anybody explain kev the different between using a stick vs triggers

  122. kev:

    roca – the evolution goes 1. buttons then 2. sticks then 3. triggers.

    it’s just the natural evolution. relax. why is it so hard for you fanboys to admit someone other than sony may have a good idea? geeez…

  123. Roca.:

    toshi,

    even though 2010 sounds about right, I dont see a official word/press release/set date from the publisher…Kaz gave a estimated time frame.

  124. Roca.:

    @ kev

    none of those 3 (buttons, sticks, triggers) were created for racing games ok….Buy a driving wheel if you want to get technical

  125. phranctoast:

    “can you help me out with the clutch question in GT5? did i miss something? is there one in GT5?”

    I haven’t played it yet.

    My setup would have gas on R2. Brake on L2 and clutch on L1.

    It should be optional for anyone preference.

    What I was saying before and I really think you would agree if you actually handled a ps3 controller before, was the R2 and L2 can act very well as a variable controlled button which makes it great for gas and break. What makes this setup better on the ps3 than the 360 is, at the end of the button on the 360, it clicks indicating it’s like a trigger. Thats very good for fps’s (I still prefer L1,R1, since I’, used to it and theres less finger

  126. phranctoast:

    movement potentially making accurate shots easier to pull off) but not great for racing games.

  127. kev:

    Phranc – actually, you’re wrong about the sticks on the 360. When the original Duke was being designed, racing games and shooters were both considerations when deciding to offset the sticks from one another. It’s more intuitive having them non-parallel like the ps3’s controller.

    More comfortable too. That’s why gamers don’t get the handcramps so long associated with Playstation controllers.

    i realize you prefer your method of using buttons for gas and brakes, but I think I’ve shown you why triggers are more exacting, more precise, and more preferred. L2 and R2 buttons only give you a fraction of the movement of a trigger. Greater movement equates to greater control. Just the way it is.

    I wonder if the fact 99% of your posts are pro-ps3 fanboy fodder has anything to do with your “opinion”…

    Thanks for the setup. I find it interesting that you find using buttons better than using sticks that Roca SWEARS is the pinnacle of control on the ps3 controller…. Lmao…

    Thanks for confirming the presence of a clutch in GT5. I can’t wait to read about it.

  128. Roca.:

    “When the original Duke was being designed, racing games and shooters were both considerations when deciding to offset the sticks from one another. It’s more intuitive having them non-parallel like the ps3’s controller.”

    haha the 360 controller is a replica of the Dreamcast controller (yes the Dreamcast had used the same triggers)….and not even if MS wanted to put the stick parallel like the Dualshock, it was just not possible, as Sony has the whole controller Copy-righted.

    -nobody else can use the symbols X, triangle, square, Circle
    -nobody else can use the name of “L1,L2,R1,R2″ for thier shoulder buttons,
    -nobody esle can use the PS D-pad design (best ever)
    -nobody else can use parallel sticks.

    thanks kev..u suck at being right!

    “L2 and R2 buttons only give you a fraction of the movement of a trigger. ”

    they arent buttons, they are pedals (just like cars use pedals for gas and not triggers)

    Sticks is more presice than “any” type of button.

    no professional driver uses clutch Kev. I hope you learned something today

  129. ToshithegreaT:

    I have a x button on my controller, atleast looks like it..

    Nowdays everyone has their controller copy-right’ed

  130. kev:

    Roca – actually, you’re wrong….again. The xbox controller was designed from testers, focus groups, redesigns, and gamer input. The DC controller is vastly different than the xbox controller. It might bode well for your rep if you refrain talking about the 360 when you don’t have one. Being wrong ALL the time doesn’t help your point.

    I thinks it’s hilarious you bring up actual “pedals”. Pedals are much closer to triggers than shoulder buttons, given the full range of motion of a pedal and a trigger. Shoulder buttons have almost no range of motion.

    You can always tell those gamers with little, or no, actual driving experience. Eh, Roca? Lmao…

    Regardless of what you think drivers use, most of the cars in Forza and GT games are street cars where clutches are standard in manual transmissions.

    I was afraid GT5 wouldn’t have a clutch, but now that you and Phranc have confirmed the presence of a clutch in GT5, I feel better knowing Forza 3 isn’t the only console sim with one.

    Do you have an article I can read about it? Thanks.

    Anyway, out for the night. Keep the dream alive, fanboys. March will be here in no time… hang in there. Let’s just hope sony keeps their word on the launch date.

  131. phranctoast:

    Actually, there’s a bit of confusion here due to the different naming conventions.

    The L1 L2 R1 R2 are the four buttons that you would consider “trigger buttons”. Your RB is R1….RT is R2 and so on.

    I was saying I prefer the easier pushing of the R2 for gas over the Right trigger. The reason being at the end of the push of the button it, acts as a trigger and as if you need to reach that point, which I understand you don’t in a racing game but do in a shooting game.

    Actually kev. I never confirmed a clutch button. I said where I would map it if I was to play. I also agree with your stick layout thing you mentioned. While its very rare, it is possible for you to be looking left and moving right at the same time in which your fingers would touch.

  132. Roca.:

    L2/R2 are not buttons…they are pedal-shaped buttons. have you actually hold a PS3 controller?

    and yes you can look right/left on GT5p

  133. Roca.:

    and you can also used that cool “head-tracking” for more realism

  134. harry sachz:

    “nobody else can use the symbols X, triangle, square, Circle”

    I thought you used to own a 360? I am sure you would have recognised the blue X face button???

    Wrong again, Roca…..

  135. Roca.:

    Harry, Kev, Toshi

    can you guys know how to read

    ““nobody else can use the symbols X, triangle, square, Circle””

    it clearly says “SYMBOL” not “letters”. seriously guys! you guys are just looking for somthing to argue about!

  136. harry sachz:

    X is a symbol now? Where I come from it’s a letter.

  137. Roca.:

    yes X can be a letter and a Symbol and also a Roman Number

    -Have you head of “X mark the spot” = X being used a symbol

    - Final Fantasy X = X being use as a Number

    same for “circle” can be a letter and a number. you just want to argue about something.

  138. harry sachz:

    Yes, yes I do.

  139. JofaMang:

    I am going to patent and market a series of prime color Fecal Dyes.

    Discuss.

  140. Spideydog:

    Yes, yes I do too ……. lol

  141. phranctoast:

    “Yes, yes I do.”

    That made it all worth it..

    Oh BTW…

    THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YANKEES WIN!!!!!!

  142. Roca.:

    hahah…I was getting scare for a min (after Game 5 loss). I didnt want the series to go until game 7. at that point anybody could win.

    but yes its been a decade but they finally won.

    now for the offseason they need a better outfielders
    Jayson Bay is a free agent :)

  143. phranctoast:

    Red Sox would be retarded not to resign him.

    The Yankees could bring up Austin Jackson. Waiting to see whats going to happen with Matsui and Damon. I think they should get offered one year incentive laced contracts. I would like both to retire as Yankees.

  144. kev:

    here’s a good interview with Kaz from autoweek…

    http://***.autoweek.com/article/20091103/SEMA/911039983

    it’s funny, becuase just a little while ago, the ps3 fanboys were swearing kaz NEVER says anything bad about the competition… yet in this article he claims FM3 isn’t a sim…

    i think that speaks volumes about his arrogance and lack of knowledge. any game maker who thinks they know more about recreating simulation environment bettter than actual automotive engineers is a delusional as IVAN PSP.

    anyway…entertaining read.

    wish they had more tracks tho. let’s hope GT5 has great physics as GT6 will be using the same engine, according to Kaz….

  145. phranctoast:

    It was a good read, but you’re really grasping for straws and trying to read to much into it if “Kaz says bad things about the competition” is what you got out of that.

    If you need to properly see how people say bad things about the competition you should look to turn 10. They seemed to have mastered that.

  146. kev:

    phranc – no..just pointing and laughing at the ps3 fanboys who swore ps3 developers had “too much honor” to talk smack….

    it’s funny, when MS entered the video game market, they did so peacefully, and were met with trash talking from sony and their 100 million army of fanboys. looks to me like payback’s a b!tch, huh?

    deal with it. givent the huge amount of insults they have taken since launching the original Forza onto the market, i see nothing wrong with a little “I told you so”…

    besides, trash talking has gone with gaming since the first console entered the household….

    you can’t take this crap seriously.

  147. phranctoast:

    Genesis Does what Nintendont.

    classic.

  148. Roca.:

    Xavier Nady will be back at the RF position next year. so who knows.

    Kev, do you spend your day looking for every Kaz’s comments?

  149. phranctoast:

    “Xavier Nady will be back at the RF position next year. so who knows.”

    Good point. Forgot about him.
    Matsui just made it tougher to get rid of him, but he’s a strict DH.

    Swisher and Nady are similar talent, though I don’t expect Nady to hit 30 HR’s.

  150. kev:

    Roca – I tried telling you, I’m a huge GT fan. Have been since it launched. I’m just not delusional about it. I do plan on playing GT5, when the ps3 hits $199.

    I like reading Kaz’s comments when I can. He’s much more credible for GT5 information than the resident fanboys here. For instance: Kaz has never claimed GT5 will have the use of a clutch and manual transmissions, yet you confirmed it would. *sigh*.. Kaz doesn’t do enough interviews, imo.

    Phranc – exactly! This industry was born on bad sportsmanship and good natured ribbing. Heh, heh…

  151. Roca.:

    if you a *huge* GT fan, how come you only post anti-GT comments?

  152. oldschool1987:

    Kev a question mate: When you get a PS3 eventually will you continue your hate rants or not? Not being funny, I’m genuinely intrigue because to hear you say your getting a PS3 has just shocked me.

    That’s like Cats and Dogs living together or something!

  153. kev:

    Roca – I’ll write something positive about GT5 when I find something positive to write about. For over a decade, Kaz has milked us for far too long. He really hasn’t innovated this genre in over 10 years. His idea of a “new game” is the same game as before, with a new coat of paint and more cars than anyone will ever drive with regularity.

    Forza (in it’s first outing) completely obliterated GT4 in all things “sim”. Anyone who’s played both can easily tell. Yes, GT4 may have had the leg up in graphics, but graphics aren’t the most important thing in a simulator. GT4 was Kaz’s, 5th game or so…and they couldn’t even get damage, online, realistic physics, or intelligent AI.

    He’s been riding on the name GT for too long without offering any real growth or innovation in the genre. Most Japanese developers do this as games are bought on name a lot of times by their fans. Forza offered more innovation in their first outing than the GT franchise has in many, many years. More cars and shinier graphics are not necessarily innovative. It’s just *more* of what’s done before.

    I really believe that some will buy this game on name alone, and in that respect Kaz has a right to be lazy. If people will pay regardless of how you pale to the competition where’s the incentive to innovate? There is none.

    Forza 3 simply is what the GT franchise *should* have become. It’s just that simple. In that respect, I hold Kaz accountable for tanking one of my favorite franchises. I refuse bend over and pretend PD is ominipotent just because of their name or what they’ve done in the past.

    The past is past. 900 cars it too much. NASCAR is a gimmick as all the drivers in the current cup standings won’t be there (Remember it’s a 30+ car field in NASCAR races. GT5 doesn’t offer 30 player races). Rally has been in other GT games and has never been a real big draw. Ten years to incorporate damage is ridiculous. Ten years and the cars still can’t leave the ground is sad.

    When GT5 exceeds Forza Motorsports 3 in areas outside of car count, then maybe I’ll have something nice to say, but until then, I’ll call it like it is.

    Oldschool – I said when it hits $199…. Let me know when that is, before next gen launches.

  154. Roca.:

    if you trade you 360 it will be $199, you will get everything the 360 and then some.

    anyways back to GT5…let me know what you think when you actually play the game.

  155. kev:

    Roca – no thanks. I like my 360. Having too much fun with it to trade it in.

    if GT5 is anything like GT5p, i can easily wait…..

  156. Roca.:

    your only option is to wait…lmaoo

    the game comes out in America in March 2010 or later

  157. Roca.:

    im sure you are having fun with it..thats the only console you have..no other choice but to have fun with it

  158. kev:

    Roca – actually, i own several consoles. it’s funny when you pretend to know more than you do.

  159. Roca.:

    like…….a 360 pro, arcade and a Elite?

  160. JofaMang:

    And a NEOGEO, he’s l337!

  161. CarlB:

    “…or later”
    that would be funny.

  162. Roca.:

    it would be funny after they have a set date for AMERICA.

  163. CarlB:

    no, just funny period.

  164. oldschool1987:

    ‘It’s funny when you pretend to know more than you do’

    Kev it’s funny when you say that comment on every single post. Seriously tho how many times have you wrote ‘It’s funny when people think they know more than they do’?

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