Valve disses PS3 and PC community in one swoop

November 8, 2009

Valve disses PS3 and PC community in one swoop Recently Valve struck out at the PS3 community once again leaving many angry at the studio. An employee of Valve indicated that the Xbox 360 and PC community is “head and shoulders” above the PS3 community. He stated this as the main reason why Left 4 Dead was not on the PS3.

As a company and a veteran studio in the industry, many expect a certain level of professionalism from Valve. However, many where shocked at Valve’s fanboyish stance against the PS3. Doug Lombardi, VP of marketing for Valve made some negative comments towards the PS3 in the past and recently Chet Faliszek, project lead for Left 4 Dead made some questionable remarks in an interview with CVG.

Faliszek implied that the reason why L4D is not on the PS3 is because that the PS3 community is not a good fit with their games. He states, “In hooking up with your friends and the community aspects, I think the Xbox 360 is head and shoulders above the PS3. The 360 and PC are on par, right?” I am not sure what the difference in Xbox 360 and PS3 community aspect Faliszek is talking about, as there is nothing different between the two platforms that is “head and shoulders” apart.

What aspect of the PS3 community could make it impossible for L4D to be on it? To date, the PS3 is the only platform that supports mods, which is a huge deal for Valve. The PS3 is also the only platform that offers open support for mouse and keyboard play, which is another huge deal for Valve. Could the folks at Valve be making excuses for their laziness by dissing the PS3?

In addition to getting flak from angry PS3 owners, Faliszek is getting some fire from the PC community for stating that the 360 and PC are on par.

Faliszek also stated:

But that’s the short term. What we’re looking at for the long term… if it works out, it works out. Right now don’t not buy it on the 360 because you think it’s coming out on the PS3 – it’s not going to. Right? It’s coming out on the PC and 360. It’s going to be exclusive for that.

It seems like there is some ulterior motive to making these comments as Faliszek is pressuring gamers not to hold off on buying L4D waiting for a PS3 version. I am not sure what is going on with Valve, but Its never a good idea your burn bridges with powerful companies in the video game business as it may eventually come back to bite you.

163 Responses to “Valve disses PS3 and PC community in one swoop”

  1. Ghost:

    FATMAN…..batman music playing in background hehehe.

  2. Ivan_PSP:

    Valve is losing customer by dissing them also they are losing huge money profit by sticking with the Xbox 360 alone. Gabe Newell is no doubt a fanboy and the stupidest FAT guy on the planet. Also i believe Valve is not talented enough to create PS3 games. They seem afraid of making games on the most powerful video game console in the world PS3. PS3 is the perfect place for PC ports because mouse support keyboard and mods plus an awesome controller.

    I myself don’t like Left 4 Dead of Half-Life series

    We don’t really need mediocre games but they sure need our money.

  3. harry sachz:

    Oh geez, even Mike Ferro is starting to accuse developers of being lazy now.

    By the looks of the comments here, the PS3 owners here don’t even want Left 4 Dead, so what’s the big deal?

  4. Ivan_PSP:

    harry sachz:
    You so right we don’t want that crappy game but we have to let everyone know that Valve are all a bunch losers and idiots and ignorant UN talented FANBOY. They need to be shutdown they are way too cocky.

  5. Rhino:

    Yes Valve are being lazy. I mean how many games have been ported from the X360 to the PS3. Plenty, so really there is no good reason to except that they’re lazy.

    I mean really when was the last time they updated their game engine? Companies are constantly trying to update their engines to make sure devs get the best from them.

    I would love l4d and/or l4d2 on the PS3 so I could play co-op with some friends, but so what if they don’t want to put the effort in, I won’t buy their products.

    Simple really.

  6. harry sachz:

    Ivan,

    And what’s your opinion on Bobby Kotick?

    Rhino,

    I can’t say I have been on Valve’s bandwagon with the exception of Left 4 Dead, even the Orange Box passed me by. But from what I’ve heard, it takes a fair bit of effort to port a 360 game to PS3 and to get it to look as close to identical. Maybe they’ve worked out that the extra resources for porting it over etc isn’t worth it fiscally? I can’t really speak for them, but I do know that independent developers that don’t have Activision or EA backing them need to look at the dollars and cents.

  7. Ivan_PSP:

    harry sachz:
    Bobby Kotick is a money whore ruining Activision more then they already are. Also he is a pure idiot he talks like an idiot too. Also all companies with the exception of Valve ports PS3 game fast and wonderfully done with more content free.

  8. Ghost:

    Well just look at this guy he might as well have “I am Exclusively paid for by X-box” stamped on his forehead in big red letters. But besides the fact he is obviously a wanna be fan-boy and gets pay-checks signed by M$, look at the fucktastrophe they made out of the “orange-box” (debacle) port? Either just pure laziness and poor workmanship or highly unskilled people for the job, don’t really know which is worse. So I really don’t know if I would want a game by them for the PS3 or not if they can’t do a better job than that on it. Sony must have really pissed some of these folks off by not submitting to there greed/demands and for not stroking there egos? This guy is very unprofessional and his words like Mike said might come back and bite him on the ass?

  9. CON:

    @MIKE

    Why are you dragging PC gamers into this? How has he dissed the PC community?

    He states

    “It’s coming out on the PC and 360″

    And you write

    “Faliszek is getting some fire from the PC community for stating that the 360 and PC are on par.” and you also put in your title that they were “dissed”?????

    WHY?

    Valve are a lot more loyal to PC gamers than xbox gamers. When the next Half Life episode is released I’ll be buying it on PC without a doubt.

  10. Ghost:

    Well for one CON hardcore PC gamers do not think any console is on “PAR” with them or there comp…

  11. Ivan_PSP:

    Okay forget about Valve and answer this for me.

    Where can i find the latest and good links for Ubuntu for PS3.

    Also please let me know if you got a good guide to install it. I had it installed before but i deleted because it got mess up. And the links and guide are gone. Also i read that for the 80GB PS3 is different version of Ubuntu.

    I want to try to see if any of these game can be install on the PS3 using Ubuntu.

    * AssaultCube is a first-person shooter
    * Battle for Wesnoth is a turn-based strategy game
    * Blob Wars: Blob And Conquer is a 3D action shooter / platformer and direct sequel to Metal Blob Solid
    * Blob Wars: Metal Blob Solid is a 2D platform game
    * BZFlag is a 3D First person tank shooter (With jumping)
    * Chromium B.S.U. is a fast paced, arcade-style, top-scrolling space shooter
    * Crimson Fields is a turn-based tactical wargame.[2]
    * CodeRED: Alien Arena is a sci-fi first-person shooter derived from the Quake II engine
    * Cube 2: Sauerbraten is a 3D first-person shooter with an integrated map editing mode
    * Glest is a real-time strategy game, with optional multiplayer
    * NetHack and Angband are text-based computer role-playing games
    * Netrek is a Star Trek themed multiplayer 2D space battle game
    * Nexuiz is a first-person shooter
    * OpenArena is a standalone Quake III Arena game
    * Project: Starfighter a multi-directional, objective based shoot-em-up
    * Teeworlds is a fast-paced sidescrolling shoot ‘em up multiplayer game
    * TORCS (The Open Racing Car Simulator) – considered one of the best open-source racing simulators, with realistic graphics and vehicle handling.
    * Tremulous is a 3D first-person shooter/real-time strategy game
    * Tux Racer is a 3D racing game featuring Tux
    * Urban Terror is a standalone Quake III Arena first-person shooter. (Proprietary mod)
    * Vega Strike is a space flight simulation

  12. CON:

    @Ghost

    Agreed. I don’t think any console gamer would argue that either but my point is valve never actually said anything about them being in par, that was just Mike’s spin.

    @Mike

    Why do you guys constantly allow Ivan to destroy articles with his spanning?

  13. CON:

    spamming*

  14. RobertCarr316:

    Is anyone surprised that valve is attacking the ps3 they just don’t have the team for ps3 development which is fine but they should not be bashing it cause hardware wise the ps3 is on much higher level and valve is just not equiped to deal with it and they are unwilling to change but let’s hope L4D2 is better then L4D cause that game was a let down.

  15. oldschool1987:

    I love the Half Life games more than most other FPS, never really liked the look of L4D tbh but I’ve don’t know much about it.

    Valve are starting to come across as really petty and pathetic, that fat dude needs to sort his shit out lol.

  16. twilight:

    If valve chooses not to develop for the Ps3 system, that is fine. If they are going to put out crappy ports like Half Life, then they shouldn’t bother to develop for the system. There are many talented developers who are able to develop for the Ps3 system as well as other systems.

  17. CON:

    I just downloaded the L4D2 demo. That game is so much fun. The shotgun takes off arms, legs, heads lol. If only COD would include this in their games.

  18. Ivan_PSP:

    I can’t wait to get MAG this January the game looks so damn fun. My dream is to see a proper SOCOM sequel done by Zipper Interactive on PLAYSTATION 3. So we can have a game that will rivaled Call Of Duty and maybe kill it for once. Call of Duty: Modern Ware is what SOCOM 1 & II was to PlayStation 2.

  19. RobertCarr316:

    Socom will NEVER kill call of duty and con have you fought a jockey yet in L4D2 they are crazy I love them :D

  20. Ivan_PSP:

    RobertCarr316:
    Before you say that play SOCOM 1 & II also never underestimate Zipper Interactive’s abilities to creating a Call Of Duty killer. They have proven to make awesome qualities addictive fun online shooters and again are exceeding their own perfection with MAG this January. SOCOM 2 has almost the same amount of players that Call of Duty has online now. People still play SOCOM online non stop you should try it is still very active with thousand of people playing it.

  21. CAD:

    What is the difference between 360 and PS3 community. Mike are you really asking this question? Maturity is one, these guys diss everything 360 just because it’s 360 and just because their PS3 is in last place. They will swear by Sony even though Sony screwed them and used the PS3 as a Trojan Horse to win a format. They will swear by Sony even when Sony didn’t do anything about all the failed PS2 but is quick to diss Microsoft for RROD even though Microsoft gave a 3 year warrenty because of it. But the most important is a paying culture. While Microsft makes Money Sony is loosing money. You have stupid comments like “I don’t care if they are loosing money as long as I get my games”. It is a know fact that if you have a paying culture then you are in a healthy position as oppose a culture that wants everything for free because in the end your only hurting the company that you support. On the 360 both exsist because if you want free you can mod your system but that does not stop the cash Microsoft receives because if you want that DLC your going to have to pay for it. I’m happy to pay as long as the company produces and Microsft definately does that. Just look at the amount of game that don’t sell weill on the PS3. Why should a company invest in that? So they can loose money along with Sony. I don’t blame anyone who does not want to bother.

    There was a Network Marketing company I use to be with that still exsist today but it had a compititor how no longer exsist. it cost $500 to join the one that still exsist today and about $150 for the other compititor who is no longer. the $150 opportunity attracted many people and payed out bonuses very early in the business to people who had not really created a downline but the opportunity had no long term achievement. The $500 opporunity had a more long term approach and attracted only serious people who could see the vision. During my time their it became obvious that a rep willing to pay $500 was more serious about the opportunity then a Rep willing to pay $150. The $150 experience excited people about the opportunity and game a easy way into the business but the company had not long term foundation set in place and it fell. The Other company still exsist today and have expanded into many countries and have expended thier services and offerings to assist thier reps.

    In a way this is like the PS3 and the 360. The 360 is the cheaper experience to get into but as all have pointed out it will cost you more over time. The 360 has a artichecture in place that keeps it profitable. It has also attracted people who see the value of LIVE and are willing to pay. The 360 has the highest attack ratio and the most games sold compared to the rest. It is better to have a paying culture then to have a culture of leeches.

  22. RobertCarr316:

    @cad
    Muturity? If you look at graphs it shows the majority of ps3 owners are in their 20′s which means we have the most mature base compared to xbox owners who are in their 12′s to 18′s accordinh to surveys and are you really that blind I really think your opinion on ps3 owners is based on roca and Ivan and no other ps owners and have you played halo and COD on LIVE it’s full of 12 year olds acting like dicks

  23. RobertCarr316:

    @Ivan
    I have socom 1 and 2 and the one on the ps3 and that are good games but to say they are call of duty killers is stupid they are both different games ones a 3rd person the other is an FPS if you are going to compare a game to COD compare it to MAG

  24. Roca.:

    @ robert

    “Is anyone surprised that valve is attacking the ps3 they just don’t have the team for ps3 development which is fine but they should not be bashing it cause hardware wise the ps3 is on much higher level and valve is just not equiped to deal with it”

    I couldnt say it better…you NAILED it!

  25. CON:

    @Robert

    You gonna provide a link for that bullshit? lol

  26. ToshithegreaT:

    “ps owners and have you played halo and COD on LIVE it’s full of 12 year olds acting like dicks”

    Same old lame arguments.. when i play online, sometimes i wonder where are these so called 12 year old kids..

    Even grown ups say i ownD u bitch..

  27. CON:

    There is no accurate way to do a demographic study on the consoles in my view as many adults who buy the consoles are more than likely buying them for their children

  28. ToshithegreaT:

    its all fun, and better than watching old silent movies ie, feels like i m playing with BOTS

  29. ToshithegreaT:

    Xbox 360 & ps3 online survey

    xbox 360 failure rate 50+%

    Ps3 failure rate 10+%

    @i found where are those 12 yr olds :)

  30. Roca.:

    I wasnt planning on Getting CoD: MW2,

    but a friend got it earlier and didnt like it so he is selling it to me “today” for $30. I think thats a reasonable price for it.

  31. RobertCarr316:

    PS3 average age
    http://citeseer.ist.psu.com/SCEA–Average-PSN-user-is-28-years-old–a008048-p0.php
    http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25475372

    Xbox average age
    http://www.gamespot.com/forums/show_msgs.php?board_id=909102864&topic_id=25937962

    thats all i could find for the xbox all that came up when i searched it was dragon age origins and the age of cronan :p

  32. CON:

    What’s that smell???

    Smells like bullshit…..

  33. RobertCarr316:

    @con
    your right there is no way to make sure what the average age is cause a majority of surveys only involve a coulpe of hundred people but they are a good indication of what it is

  34. Roca.:

    if you want to prove it ask anybody who has my PSN id what was I playing on sunday night!

    but I could careless what you think. I know im getting 2days earlier and for 50% off.

  35. Barnabe Jones:

    Hasn’t Valve been using the same game engine for the last decade?

    If that isn’t lazy development, I don’t know what is.

  36. Barnabe Jones:

    Check out the link Con:

    .joystiq.com/2009/11/08/select-gamestops-in-ny-oh-and-pa-selling-modern-warfare-2-alrea/

    I actually live in PA, so I could probably run down the street and pick it up. But I’m totally not interested.

  37. RobertCarr316:

    @barnab
    Hasn’t Valve been using the same game engine for the last decade?

    If that isn’t lazy development, I don’t know what is.

    they are only using the same engine cause they spent years making this one and they engine is not bad graphically its falling behind but physics wise its the second best on the market behind the cryengine and valve spend a LONG time making new engines cause when they come out they are the best available…look at killzone 2 that game took so long because they built the engine from the ground up so killzone 3 should be out a lot faster the n killzone 2…ALSO rumour has it the reason half life 2 episode 3 is taking so long is because they are building a brand new engine for it

  38. Roca.:

    BJ, im waiting

    I need some help with the Dragon god

  39. Barnabe Jones:

    Robert, I haven’t heard that. It has been a really long time since episode 2.

    Roca, yeah I haven’t beaten him on NG+ either. I made it all the way past the last set of pillars that need to be broke, and made it to the stairs, but got toasted. I have put a few more points into my stamina, so maybe I’ll get it this time.

    Also the bigger swords are pretty slow. It might be easier to try a smaller weapon.

    Did you hear From Software mentioned that there might be a sequel?

    gameinformer.com/games/demons_souls/b/ps3/archive/2009/11/05/feature-demon-s-souls-director-discusses-difficulty-sequels-and-more.aspx

  40. Roca.:

    BJ check this out…I guessing I wont be missing Zelda anymore.

    http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-424856.aspx

    at what time you will be able to play btw?

  41. CON:

    Episode 3………….mmmmmm

  42. RobertCarr316:

    @con
    It might not be episode 3 it could just be half life 3 or worst of all they have not even started development on the next half life this is all rumour tho it may be false

  43. Barnabe Jones:

    Awesome video. If all they have to do is translate the text, it should be ready for release soon.

    Roca – give me a few more hours. Probably around 5. btw Dragon God is not going to be easy to do co-op. There is not enough space to run side by side.

  44. CON:

    I’ve just been watching some of the leaked footage on youtube of mw2. Don’t think a few americans are gonna be happy about this game ;)

  45. Happyhockum:

    Everyone I know personally with a PS3 and an Xbox says XBL is definitely the superior on-line experience.

    Sorry but that is what I am told time after time.

  46. Happyhockum:

    Callin the PC & Xbox on-line experience as being “par” with each other seems to me to be no “diss” at all.

    That’s the sort of infantile cr@p the PS3 fanboys indulge in
    (in otherwords if you don’t state their preferred choice is incalculably superior you just ‘dissed’ it and viciously & violently sh@t all over it).

    Poor stuff Mike.

  47. CON:

    @happy

    Valve never stated they were in “par” that was mike who added that simply because they said they were only releasing on xbox and pc.

  48. Roca.:

    “Sorry but that is what I am told time after time.”

    sure ;)

  49. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    That’s a laugh.
    Like anyone believes your constant pro-PS3 shilling.

  50. Roca.:

    BJ

    ill be back at 5:30. im on my way to pick up MW for $30

  51. Barnabe Jones:

    I would pick it up for $30 also. >10 hour campaign is not worth $65.

  52. harry sachz:

    @ robert,

    “s anyone surprised that valve is attacking the ps3 they just don’t have the team for ps3 development which is fine but they should not be bashing it cause hardware wise the ps3 is on much higher level and valve is just not equiped to deal with it and they are unwilling to change but let’s hope L4D2 is better then L4D cause that game was a let down.”

    Since when is it on a higher level of hardware? Did you mean the graphic card that the PS3 uses that Happy found for a dollar on Ebay? The word you’re looking for is ‘different’. It uses the cell processor rather than one of the more common processors to begin with, which obviously needs some study.

    Come on Robert, you seem to be a reasonable guy, you don’t need to state silly things like above.

    And you are in the minority when you say that Left 4 Dead was a letdown. The game scored extremely well, and it’s one of my personal favourites which I (among many others) play constantly.

  53. RobertCarr316:

    @happy
    Oh god ya I know I’m in the minority of people who think L4D was a let down but when I say let down I’m not saying it’s a bad game I would probaly give it a 7/10 it’s a good game but it just had a lot of little problems which annoyed me but L4D2 seems like it’s adressing most of these problems and last time I checked L4D has a 88/100 which is a great score

    And what I mean by higher level of hardware I’m talking about the whole thing the cell processer, Blu ray and the CPU

  54. CON:

    It’s the perfect game for a group of friends…..so funny

  55. Rhino:

    @ Harry “it takes a fair bit of effort to port a 360 game to PS3 and to get it to look as close to identical”

    You’re probably right there, but plenty of companies find a way to port a game over and still manage to turn a profit.

    You said “which obviously needs some study” refering to how the graphics uses the cell processor. From what I’ve read it is a difficult piece of kit to figure out, but again plenty of games are cross platform games and quite successful.

    It’s all well and good for a company to not want to, or just don’t like a piece of technology, but to come out and publicly criticize like that is just not cool

    @CAD “Network Marketing company” is that what they’re calling pyramid schemes these days?

  56. RobertCarr316:

    @con
    Ya I never play L4D on my own it’s nowhere near as fun

  57. Barnabe Jones:

    People who picked up COD MW2 are reporting that the campaign is actually >5 hours. Ouch.

  58. RobertCarr316:

    @barnabe
    5hours?? Fuck il clear that in one sitting

  59. Barnabe Jones:

    I think everyone is actually missing the point…

    “After dropping out of Harvard University Newell spent thirteen years working for Microsoft Corporation, ultimately becoming a “Microsoft Millionaire.”

    Big gay Gabe made millions working for M$. Of coarse he is partial to them.

    That and the game engine that they use is close to 15 years old now.

  60. Barnabe Jones:

    Yeah that’s pretty disappointing. I guess the online is where the action is.

  61. CON:

    Where the fuck did my post go?

  62. CON:

    BJ you’re using the greater than symbols instead of the less than symbols you tit lol.

    Less than 5 hours in noob mode maybe but not in hardcore. Doubt I’ll even play the single player for a long time. I just want to get stuck into multiplayer.

  63. CON:

    Faliszek replied went on:

    “In hooking up with your friends and the community aspects, I think the Xbox 360 is head and shoulders above the PS3. The 360 and PC are on par, right?”

    Clearly he was talking about online here Mike not comparing them in general like your article suggests

  64. harry sachz:

    5 hours? Let’s hope the multiplayer is something special.

    @ Robert,

    The cell processor is definitely a powerful calculating processor.

    @ Rhino,

    Yep, that’s exactly what I meant. It’s a brand new style of processor that needs to be studied to be understood.

  65. RobertCarr316:

    @ harry
    The more I think about it the less I think MW2 is worth €60 and considering the online is just like MW1 I think il get bored quickly unless spec ops is good

  66. Roca.:

    here is what i have to say about MW2.

    same old, same old.

  67. Roca.:

    i play it for 10 mins, and then Went back to Demon’s Souls.

    CarlB can confirm I have the game. als BJ saw me playing it

  68. Ivan_PSP:

    MW2 is worth $30 at best. We PS3 don’t really needed but Xbox 360 they desperately needed a multiplaform at least like this to sell some Xboxx 360.

  69. CON:

    Oh boo hoo. If your not going to buy it then don’t. Stop bitching about it. More ps3 users will buy this than ur killzones or your uncharteds so just fucking deal with it.

  70. Roca.:

    same old, same old. Im glad i payed $30 for it.

  71. CarlB:

    “i play it for 10 mins, and then Went back to Demon’s Souls.”

    You also had Uncharted and didn’t even open it while you were playing the same game.

  72. CarlB:

    Uncharted 2 that is.

  73. Roca.:

    I it play uncharted first day it came out..I just haven’t beat yet. look at the day unchardated came out. I got one trophy the first day and 10 the next day. I just havent beant because I planning to get platinum on DM. then take my time to find all the Uncharted treasure, then beat it on crushing then ill move on to MP.

  74. Roca.:

    making stuff up there?

  75. Roca.:

    no you look at MW2 and you will see no trophy for a while

  76. Mike Ferro:

    Look guys, I’m not the one who stated that the PC and Xbox 360 community aspects are “on par.”

    In my article I clearly quote Faliszek who stated: “The 360 and PC are on par, right?”

    I simply stated that Valve is getting flak from the PC community for this statement on NeoGAF and Steam usergroup.

    No spin here, just whats been said and the factual reaction from the PC community. Are you really surprised by the reaction anyway?

  77. CarlB:

    “making stuff up there?”

    No roca, actually you are the one that told us here it was sitting on your shelf unopened while you were playing Demon’s Souls.

  78. twilight:

    Modern Warfare 2 will probably sell more copies on the xbox360. In general, there are more xbox360 users that are into first person shooters than ps3 users. This game will probably sell a lot of copies like the previous installments of the game. I’m still undecided about this game. I have questions as to whether or not it’s worth the asking price.

  79. Roca.:

    “No roca, actually you are the one that told us here it was sitting on your shelf unopened while you were playing Demon’s Souls.”

    it was Barnabe Jones not me. wrong person sorry

  80. ToshithegreaT:

    “I wasnt planning on Getting CoD: MW2,

    but a friend got it earlier and didnt like it so he is selling it to me “today” for $30. I think thats a reasonable price for it.”

    Wow, thats seriously a nice deal there roca.. :)

    “here is what i have to say about MW2.

    same old, same old”

    I get the same feeling too, whenever i m playing a SEQUEL, i m sure u do too..

  81. Roca.:

    “I get the same feeling too, whenever i m playing a SEQUEL, i m sure u do too..”

    must be talking about halo

  82. ToshithegreaT:

    Every sequel, that includes every damn sequel in the world

  83. Roca.:

    sorry. R2 was nothing like the firt, KZ2 was nothing like the first one, FF7 Crisis Core, and FF7 Dirge of Cerberus were nothing like the first one, etc.

    again you must be talking about Halo and every halo sequel in the world. and also all the Sports game. and a few other titles that plays just like the first one, but at least the dont be coming out every year.

  84. kev:

    Good! the ps3 community is a bunch idiots.

    want proof? read the post history of the resident ps3 fanboys… Ivan PSP, Roca, Oldschool, Mike Ferr, Bourne, Arvis, etc, etc….

    they singlehandidly make gamers look like clods.

    the gaming industry would be much better off w/o them.

    good for Valve. I’m glad they had the integrity to stand up and call it like it is. they’re only saying waht other devs are feeling….

  85. phranctoast:

    “good for Valve. I’m glad they had the integrity to stand up and call it like it is. they’re only saying waht other devs are feeling….”

    @kev

    Valve saying negative shit about the PS3 is on par with…lets say Insomniac saying negative shit about the 360.

    Neither make games for those consoles so it’s a bit of a moot point.

    Only difference is Insomniac is obviously a company that’s a bit more respectful.

    Way to stand up on the soap box and make all 360 fanboys look good.

  86. Happyhockum:

    harry sachz

    “The cell processor is definitely a powerful calculating processor”

    Precisely.

    The bit that certain fanboy shills refuse to accept is that just because Cell can be (when optimised) a great number cruncher that doesn’t necessarily make for an outstanding gaming video processor.

    In fact Toshiba’s idea of using Cell for complex and very advanced upscaling logarithms in their new HD TVs (their very latest go beyond 1080p & upscale to a full 2K res!) is probably far more suited to what Cell can do.
    Ditto that business of linking lots of them up and using them for heavy calculation work.

  87. Barnabe Jones:

    Yeah that was me. Nothing against uncharted 2, I’ve been amazed by it. I need to play one thing at a time.

    I’m getting GOW collection for my birthday (Nov 19th) and Assassins Creed 2 for Xmas. I’ll get through them all, but there are only so many hours in the day. :)

  88. Roca.:

    “The bit that certain fanboy shills refuse to accept is that just because Cell can be (when optimised) a great number cruncher that doesn’t necessarily make for an outstanding gaming video processor. ”

    explain why the 360 can put up games like KZ2, U2, R+C, GT5, GOW3, Last Gardian, Heavy Rain, etc.

    and I dont wanna hear any excuse or you going of talking about some stupid tech stuff that doesnt relate to my question. show me then games that can match the quality of those I mentioned, if you can produce a valid answer then have a good day

  89. phranctoast:

    good point Roca. Truth be told. The best looking PS3 exclusive games look better than the best looking 360 exclusive games.

    Developers just need to learn it before critiquing it for being different.

  90. CarlB:

    I hear you Barnabe… sorry to both of you for getting you two confused.

    “R2 was nothing like the firt”
    Did you shoot aliens in it… did it have the same protagonist… same enemies… similar conflict… similar character design… was it still a first person shooter? Maybe “something” like the first one.

    “KZ2 was nothing like the first one”
    This is probably a good thing. Even so, the above still mostly applies.

    “FF7 Crisis Core”
    This seemed to share many similarities to 7 and others in the franchise to me… music, characters, enemies, etc.

    Uncharted 2 shared a lot with the first as well, as will God of War 3 (including much of the gameplay elements. The point is, these are still or will still be great games, and this is because developers have kept what was great and what fans liked about it and simply added a few things.

    Sometimes this works out well (as in Uncharted 2), sometimes not as well as the predecessor (as in Disgaea 3) but still well enough for fans and others to buy and enjoy the game. If a developer can do either of these, well, they are doing alright.

  91. oldschool1987:

    ‘Good! the ps3 community is a bunch idiots.’

    who you calling an idiot you fucking retarded school boy loser? The fact is I’ve done more with my life than you ever ever will you fucking low life shit bag, your a complete waste of skin and you opinions are pathetic. The fact you call me a fanboy proves you don’t know what your on about at all, check my earlier posts and see how many times I praise the 360 and the PS3, in fact ask anyone else. Your a waste of oxygen Kev, fuck of back to school you spotty acne covered loser.

    I don’t normally lose my patience but having that loser call me an idiot if annoying lol.

  92. oldschool1987:

    is annoying* I always have to correct shit lmao!

    …Kev your a tool.

  93. Roca.:

    yeah CarlB, you are always right. if you play Resistance 1 & 2 you will see the are nothing alike.

    play MW1 and MW2 and you will how everything is just like it was it the first one.

    if you think FF crisis core is just like FF7, then idk what to tell you.

    KZ2 was nothing like the first. period

    U2 while gameplay was barely untoched, it was different in many aspect, MP, Co-op, longer, better graphics (MW2 seems to be on par with MW1 in that department)

    also Motorstorm 2 is nothing like the first one (oh wait you going to say something like “there are cars in the 1st one just like they are car in the 2nd one). I know some sequel are look and play like the first one. but what im trying to say is COD is getting old. you would have known if you have actually played the game.

  94. Roca.:

    Assasins Creed is not like the first one, oh wait you can climb walls, towers and buildings

  95. CarlB:

    Roca, I’ve only played one off the list you provided. God of War 3, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo 5, and the Last Guardian aren’t out yet.

    Uncharted 2 didn’t really look that awesome, as in something the 360 couldn’t do. I loved playing the game and it had some good visuals, but again, there was no part in it that looked like something the 360 could not do if given the same time, resources, and attention. Even if there was a difference, it would be that half-point you say doesn’t really matter to gamers anyway (the kind 360 usually gets with top tier multiplatforms anyway).

    “show me then games that can match the quality of those I mentioned”

    The games you mentioned are exclusive, and as such there really is no equal comparison to be made. It would be like comparing Gears of War 2 to Infamous graphically, they are two different games with two different priorities. Even within the same genre games are different. Yes, Gears of War 2 may look graphically better than Infamous, but one misses the point if they overlook Infamous (or Demon’s Souls, Uncharted, etc.) for not excelling in the graphics department.

    More importantly, are there games that are just as fun on either console? Yes. Are there more to come? Yes. Will they always be in the exact same genre or appeal to everyone? No.

    If anything Sony should be pumping out more games at this stage because of their massive lead with PS1, PS2, and PSP. It’s only surprising it took them this long to get their act together with price, marketing, etc.

  96. Roca.:

    “there was no part in it that looked like something the 360 could not do if given the same time, resources, and attention.”

    Halo seems to get all the resources in the world, same for alan wake and Too Human. none of them look better then any Gears of War game.

    if the 360 can put up graphics like some PS3 exclusive, then tell me why I have yet to see them, considering the 360 its easier to program for and its been out longer why havent they match PS3 exclusive graphically? im sure there must be a reason for that.

    “It would be like comparing Gears of War 2 to Infamous graphically”

    Compare Halo to KZ2 then
    or FM3 vs GT5p,
    or U2 vs Gears,
    or Ratchet vs Viva Pinata or Banjo Kaz,
    or Motorstorm vs w.e off-road racing game there is.
    or MLB the show vs the 2K series,
    or LBP to w.e platform game there is.

    I know you guys hate lists, but now I seem to understand why…there is nothing you on the 360 that can match the PS3 exclusive in graphics

  97. Roca.:

    “It’s only surprising it took them this long to get their act together with price, marketing, etc.”

    uhmmm wrong again, Sony has always release a Slim version of their original console 3-4 years after the console was released. PS2 was $299 when it launched and it took Sony 2 years to make a $100 price cut, the PS3 cost $599 and it has taken Sony 3 years to make a $300 price cut, the 360 launched at $399 and it has taken 4 years to make $100 price cut to their standard model

  98. Roca.:

    “Uncharted 2 didn’t really look that awesome”

    yet, all reviewers seem to think other wise. of course they are all wrong, CarlB is always 100% right.

  99. CarlB:

    “yeah CarlB, you are always right.”

    Thanks. It’s good to see you realize that sequels in general, including the ones you mentioned above, do share “somethings” and are somewhat alike when it comes to things like music, protagonists, navigation, gameplay elements, artistic direction, character design, weapons, enemies, voice acting, etc. instead of just “nothing alike”.

    “if you think FF crisis core is just like FF7″

    I don’t, that’s why I didn’t say that. See above in this post.

    “KZ2 was nothing like the first. period”

    Wow. It’s either all or nothing with you, huh? Yes, it is still a first person shooter, has online multiplayer, you are still fighting the Helghast (albeit on their home planet), you are still fighting for the ISA, etc. Game play may be greatly improved, but it still shares at least some of the same basic foundation that it’s predecessor built, instead of being “nothing alike”.

    “what im trying to say is COD is getting old. you would have known if you have actually played the game.”

    Why didn’t you just stick with that opinion instead of listing PS3 exclusives sequels and saying they were “nothing like” those that came before?

    Yes, I actually played almost all of the Call of Duty games, and they were each fun in their own right. I’m sure MW2 has at least a few things different about it that make it appealing to fans.

    And as for not having played it yet, I’m sorry, but I’m not that big of a MW fan to get it day one, play it for “ten minutes”, then state, “everything is just like it was it the first one.”

    Ten minutes of a game. Please.

  100. phranctoast:

    I for one like sequels being “like the first”! Thats why I like the originals. Sure they could improve certain aspects, but overall, if you have a winning design you shouldn’t stray too much. Insomniac did this with R2 and while making an arguably better game, they split the fanbase.

    I love the R+C games and will be pissed when they either go away or change too much.

    All this talk about changing the Tomb Raider franchise gets me sick.

  101. kev:

    “Good! the ps3 community is a bunch idiots.’

    TRUTH FTW!!!!!

  102. CarlB:

    “all reviewers seem to think other wise.”

    All reviewers used the specific term “awesome” roca? Interesting, I think I missed that. In any case, I used the term and defined it for the sake of this discussion above: “Uncharted 2 didn’t really look that awesome, as in something the 360 couldn’t do.”

    In comparison to the first, it definitely looked much better. Seeing the “vista” video via computer for the first time my jaw dropped, then I played the actual and realized what I was not seeing, that is layering and portraits in the background “vista”, though it was still nice to look at.

    “CarlB is always 100% right.”

    Not true. We each make our own mistakes, like where I got you confused with Barnabe, or where you thought Netflix streaming on 360 still couldn’t play any Sony movies. Mistakes happen.

  103. Roca.:

    sharing similarities doesnt mean they are just like the previous one, I know U2 is very similar but at least it integrated a bunch of new stuff, including better graphics. MW1, World at War, and MW2 only differences are where the story took place and guns. ohh wait the added blood on you screen when you are getting shot (similar to KZ2)

  104. Roca.:

    must be something with your TV, you always see things different then everybody else in the whole world

  105. Roca.:

    I bet you probably think Halo look better

  106. phranctoast:

    I was surprised to see that CarlB found Dragon’s Age graphically superior to Demon’s Souls. I know I haven’t played either but the video on the psn from gameplay of each make Demon’s Souls look pretty superior in the graphics dept.

  107. CarlB:

    “It’s only surprising it took them this long to get their act together with price, marketing, etc.”

    Price as in not being $200-$300 more expensive than the competition and saying people will get second jobs to get one.

    Marketing as in advertising that advertises games clearly instead of babies and ballerinas.

    The bottom line is Sony has made clear improvement in these areas and others, such as games (there’s more top exclusives this year for it than any other), trophies, and PSN since launch. Right now it seems to have reached the tipping point in appeal, and this should reflect in greatly improved sales for the rest of the gen.

  108. kev:

    carlb – “ony has made clear improvement in these areas and others, such as games (there’s more top exclusives this year for it than any other), trophies, and PSN since launch. Right now it seems to have reached the tipping point in appeal, and this should reflect in greatly improved sales for the rest of the gen”

    i’ll have to respectfully disagree with you. I think sony has lost any momentum they may have had from last gen, and their updates of expanding features seem to smack (very loudly) of a “me too” attitude as much of what they’re adding is already being done on other consoles.

    the appeal of a budget bluray players has been gone for a while also. it’ll get worse on black friday when they will be around $100 while the ps3 is still at $300….

    i think this xmas will see an increase in ps3 sales from last year, but seriously doubt it’s enough to remove them from the last place position where they’ve been since it launched. this gen is half over… just not enough time.

    we’ll see.

  109. CarlB:

    “sharing similarities doesnt mean they are just like the previous one”

    Exactly. Which is why I never said “they are just like the previous one”, I said they are similar in many ways instead of “nothing alike” as you said.

    “must be something with your TV, you always see things different then everybody else in the whole world”

    Saying what is being done on PS3 graphically could be done on 360 is “seeing things different then everybody else in the whole world”? Wow, roca, do you have a omni census going on that I don’t know about?

    “I bet you probably think Halo look better”

    Well, it was years ago that I played it, but I think it is safe to say that KZ2 looks better than Halo. As for Halo 3, I have yet to play it.

    Phranc, only slightly so in different aspects. For instance, DS has a quite a bit more jaggies and less resolution than DA, whereas DS may also have a superior framerate (though probably not compared to the PC version).

  110. Roca.:

    “I was surprised to see that CarlB found Dragon’s Age graphically superior to Demon’s Souls.”

    I thought the same too. maybe the 360 version look bettter ;)

  111. oldschool1987:

    It’s sad how some one can hate a Company so much… A Company FFS!(Kev) Some one who goes out their way to say how much they hate their console.

    I don’t think England and America ‘hate-ranted’ about the Nazis as much as Kev does against Sony. Is there really nothing else going on in your life that you ‘hate’ a machine? I pity you.

  112. Roca.:

    “Saying what is being done on PS3 graphically could be done on 360 is “seeing things different then everybody else in the whole world”? Wow, roca, do you have a omni census going on that I don’t know about? ”

    want me to pull at least 5 articles (or more) stating the same. most gaming website agree but you seem to know more than they do for some reason.

    the 360 is easier to program for, and its been out longer. where are the titles that match the quality in graphics of the PS3 exclusive? Gears come close but thats about it.

  113. phranctoast:

    “Phranc, only slightly so in different aspects. For instance, DS has a quite a bit more jaggies and less resolution than DA, whereas DS may also have a superior framerate (though probably not compared to the PC version).”

    OK i hear ya. What I saw made some of the DS stuff look almost like a good PC MMORPG, which take a hit in the graphics dept in order to achieve player count (Like MAG)

  114. phranctoast:

    “I don’t think England and America ‘hate-ranted’ about the Nazis as much as Kev does against Sony. Is there really nothing else going on in your life that you ‘hate’ a machine? I pity you.”

    Don’t start. You’ll get CON all worked up and he’ll throw out his Anti USA hate agenda ;)

  115. CarlB:

    @kev,

    Even if some of the features they add are “me too”, they are features all the same. I agree BD still is not a major drive for many, but it is still an improving feature over existing DVD, as is Netflix HD.

    Where Sony should truly stand out is it’s exclusive games for the rest of the gen. If they can continue to pump out the high quality titles like we have seen this year for the rest of the gen Sony should do quite well, regardless of whether or not they overtake 360 in total sales. Especially when considering next gen and who will have more consumer confidence in hardware.

  116. Roca.:

    I though Demon’s look great for that type of game type of game.

    Demon’s Souls:
    h**p://gallery.techarena.in/data/1/medium/demon-s-souls-playstation-3-ps3-043.jpg

    Dragon Age:
    h**p://www.vgblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/01/DragonAgeOrigins.jpg

  117. ToshithegreaT:

    “sharing similarities doesnt mean they are just like the previous one, I know U2 is very similar but at least it integrated a bunch of new stuff, including better graphics. MW1, World at War, and MW2 only differences are where the story took place and guns. ohh wait the added blood on you screen when you are getting shot (similar to KZ2)”

    @troll

    Halo, resistance, kz2, Gears 2 are more story centric in comparisions ton cod shooters..

  118. CarlB:

    Alright roca, you win. “PS3 IS TEH GRAPHICALLY SUPERIOR CONSO1E” because of its “XKLOOSIVES” and “CELL POWER!” Not.

    Make the same exclusive games on 360 and you will have what is basically the same looking game, though you might have admittedly more discs on the 360 :)
    Any graphical differences there could be would be minor and could lean in favor of either console.

  119. ToshithegreaT:

    “I bet you probably think Halo look better”

    @troll

    Why wud anyone think that halo wud be better looking,
    Bungie never made an attempt to sell games on graphics alone..Halo is known for superb online multi-player..

    IMO majority of the games on 360 are still made using epic’s unreal engine 3, even natal games will be using that.. I think thats why 360 games are looking more or less the same, If the rumors are to be believed abt the ‘X’ engine, then from end 2010/early 2010, we ll see some more graphically impressive games on 360..

    Better than U2 or not, its something i cant comment on, untill i see the games..

  120. CarlB:

    At the same time, put that same exclusive (360 or PS3) on a current gaming PC, maxing out it’s resources and you will probably see a vast difference. BTW, I would love to see PS4 and 720 (or whatever) come out next year… but we’ll probably have to wait until late 2011/12 for the next gen. Hmmph.

  121. kev:

    “Where Sony should truly stand out is it’s exclusive games for the rest of the gen. If they can continue to pump out the high quality titles like we have seen this year for the rest of the gen Sony should do quite well, regardless of whether or not they overtake 360 in total sales”

    exlcusives just don’t hold that much power anymore.

    look at the for proof. Most exclusives, last in sales.

  122. oldschool1987:

    @ Phranc: ‘You’ll get CON all worked up and he’ll throw out his Anti USA hate agenda’

    You mean Kev will log in as CON? lol. Why does he hate America? I like the Yanks, they’re the reason I have all these brilliant DVDs like 24, Lost, Battlestar etc.

    Nowt wrong with America mate, I’d move there if I was rich lol

  123. Roca.:

    @ toshi,

    I warned about the name calling business you have there. once I start i wont stop ;)

    u still think Dave is going to save your ass?

  124. phranctoast:

    Not sure. I just know he hates US military. I was more or less making a tongue in cheek joke ;)

  125. Roca.:

    “I would love to see PS4 and 720 (or whatever) come out next year… but we’ll probably have to wait until late 2011/12 for the next gen. Hmmph.”

    why next year, why so early? both console can get better via update and new service, im still think this gen has alot more to offer.

  126. CarlB:

    “Most exclusives, last in sales”

    True, but I would say they are last in sales right now not because of their exclusives, but rather the initial price (now lowered to a competitive level), lack of trophies (finally made standard this year), coming in a year later (may not ever make up this ground), initial lack of exclusives (now solved), etc. If anything, it’s exclusives are the major driver of what sales it does have (which aren’t bad at all).

  127. CarlB:

    “why next year, why so early?”

    Because tech is advancing exponentially, not linearly, and the end of next year would also be fairly spot on with the last two gens. Using Playstation as a measure:

    PS1: 1995
    PS2: 2000
    PS3: 2006
    PS4: 2011 (late 2010 release)

    This isn’t saying the present gen doesn’t have a lot of life left in it, just that existing consoles could still stay on the market as new ones come in. Sony has done an excellent job with this in the past as far as PSOne and PS2 goes, so I don’t see why they couldn’t do the same with PS3.

    The thing is, this gen is already showing it’s age by a large margin when compared to PC (as consoles usually do at this stage in the game), and that margin will be even more magnified by the end of next year. Bring in the new and continue to sell the old.

  128. Roca.:

    Both MS and Sony have made huge investment into this gen that I dont think next gen console will come anytime soon. it will cost them for producing new hardware (tech), developers are just getting cofortable developing game for both system, which will mean they will have to learn the architecture the new console which will cost money and time for both publisher and devs. Sony is still trying to make profit from the PS3 and MS is still trying to produce a reliable console.

    I personally will be pissed if the come out with a new console before 2012-2013 as my PS3 library is not as big as my PS2 library. both console has alot more to offer this Gen…we havent even see a FF game yet

  129. Barnabe Jones:

    But when will the exponential function reach it’s horizontal asymptote?

    lol @ math :)

  130. JofaMang:

    I had some Framerate issues in DS, but nothing gamebreaking, just an annoyance now and then. Beautiful game, but not top shelf. It can use the Halo defense when it comes to not being the most beautiful game ever.

  131. CarlB:

    Roca, you might just have to be pissed off when they come out in 2011, and I doubt the PS3 library will reach the PS2′s numbers, it just doesn’t have nearly the same popularity or success as PS2 had from the start in respective comparison to the competition.

    “But when will the exponential function reach it’s horizontal asymptote?”

    Some people think it “may” be 2012, according to the Mayan (“may”an) calendar, though many others think this is a misinterpretation. This “spike” is also predicted to be sometime before the 2050 according to a few scientists :) Interesting time to live in any case.

  132. Barnabe Jones:

    I think overall, the graphics in Demon’s Souls where done very well. The characters and enviormtns look pretty good.

    The fact that the interactions between the NPCs where not animated, stand out in comparison.

  133. Roca.:

    “The fact that the interactions between the NPCs where not animated, stand out in comparison.”

    yeah that its actually funny when they are expressing anger (rydell) and you see their face not moving at all. lol the game is great (not perfect) but they should work around some stuff for the sequel.

  134. Barnabe Jones:

    Carl,

    yeah it’s an interesting question. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. I can’t imagine it’s going to happen anytime soon… unless the Mayans are right. But let’s hope not.

    Roca,

    Yeah, but asides from that, I think they’re actually pretty good. Not the best I’ve scene, but not too bad. How realistic can you make something like Adjudicator look?

  135. Roca.:

    lol

    im still pissed about the Dragon god fight. I didt all the hard work, but I though i had my way clear only to get stuck with the last pillar and get fried by the Dragon. from there it was all you BJ, easiest boss ever right?

  136. Barnabe Jones:

    I tried twice before that. The last time I tried, that’s exactaly where I died. That last bit is the hardest.

    I have to admit, I was a little disappointed that you actually don’t fight him one on one. After watching the opening cut scene I was really looking froward to fighting him.

  137. Roca.:

    I watched the Openning cut scenes and now I understand when I see the Blue Phamtons coming out.

  138. CarlB:

    Just received the Dragon Age: Origins Collector’s Edition Guide in the mail today (purchased separately for $20). Damn I wish Demon’s Souls guide had half of what this contained. They did this one right.

  139. Roca.:

    that strategy guide is huge. going for 1000 points?

  140. CarlB:

    yep. I might rent the PS3 version as well for another plat… then play the PC game for it’s different achievements and better graphics again when it hits ten to twenty bucks in a year or two … it does cover all three. Right now though it looks as though God of War Collection is coming my way on the 19th through GameFly.

  141. Ghost:

    “but we’ll probably have to wait until late 2011/12 for the next gen. Hmmph.”

    I agree with Roca, I don’t think it would be wise or pratical for Sony to release another console so soon. I figure Ninty would have already done it or is working on it. I even thought M$ would try and push another console on the market but then they are greedy and will milk it for all it’s worth and as soon as Sony overtakes them I think they will try and start another “gen”. Sony needs to keep it’s promises and really try for the 10 year life span the PS3 really has not reached it’s full potential it would be a shame if we had consoles coming out every 3-4 years.

  142. Ghost:

    If the only thing I cared about was the best up to date technology that comes out every 5 min on the comp then I would keep updating my comp and not even worry about owning a console. Maybe that would be your best option CarlB? :D

  143. kev:

    olschool – it’s okay… phranc never knows what he’s talking about.

    he doesn’t know i’m American, nor does he know i’ve spent many years in the military.

    it’s funny watching these losers pretend to know things from 1,000 miles away…LMAO..

  144. kev:

    carl – “True, but I would say they are last in sales right now not because of their exclusives, but rather the initial price (now lowered to a competitive level), lack of trophies (finally made standard this year), coming in a year later (may not ever make up this ground), initial lack of exclusives (now solved), etc. If anything, it’s exclusives are the major driver of what sales it does have (which aren’t bad at all”

    i’m sorry, but you lost all cred when you claimed the ps3 sales “aren’t bad at all”….

    it’s abysmal…..

  145. Roca.:

    “he doesn’t know i’m American, nor does he know i’ve spent many years in the military.”

    you act like a stupid kid, wtf are you talking about being in the military, boys scouts camp dont count!!

  146. phranctoast:

    @CarlB
    Do you buy any PS3 games?

    @kev
    I don’t believe I mentioned your name once. That reading issue is popping up again. Thats right… go back and re read what I said.

    “i’m sorry, but you lost all cred when you claimed the ps3 sales “aren’t bad at all”….

    it’s abysmal…..”

    I guess abysmal is outselling the 360. Last time I checked that’s what appears to be happening.

  147. oldschool1987:

    ‘he doesn’t know i’m American, nor does he know i’ve spent many years in the military’

    @ Kev the Kidder: LMFAO ROLFL HAHAHA Yeah right!!! OMG that is gold …GOLD! Now your a squaddie? lmao. Mate I’m a squaddie and you DO NOT come across as a squaddie one tiny little bit lmao!

    Prove it child, change your display pic to you in Army fatigues.

    This will be funny lol. From now on Kev is called ‘Kev the Kidder’

  148. CarlB:

    “Do you buy any PS3 games?”

    Yes, I bought Uncharted (sold it back) and Demon’s Souls.

    “If the only thing I cared about was the best up to date technology that comes out every 5 min”

    You mean five years? It’s about the standard turn around time for new consoles to come out. I guess you care about that kind of tech or else you would still be playing PS2 exclusively and not have purchased a PS3 yet… okay, wait a sec… you do have a PS3 right?

    “lost all cred when you claimed the ps3 sales ‘aren’t bad at all’….”

    Sorry, I thought the PS3 was currently outselling 360, not in total sales, but recent monthly sales.

  149. CarlB:

    “Prove it child, change your display pic to you in Army fatigues.”

    How would that prove anything? It’s too small and even if it wasn’t you can pull mil pics off the net fairly easily.

  150. kev:

    carlb – “Sorry, I thought the PS3 was currently outselling 360, not in total sales, but recent monthly sales.”

    this is why you should NOT believe any posts from Roca, oldschool, jofa, or the other ps3 fanboy morons.

    they lie…a LOT….

  151. kev:

    oldschool- “Kev the Kidder: LMFAO ROLFL HAHAHA Yeah right!!! OMG that is gold …GOLD! Now your a squaddie? lmao. Mate I’m a squaddie and you DO NOT come across as a squaddie one tiny little bit lmao!
    Prove it child, change your display pic to you in Army fatigues. This will be funny lol. From now on Kev is called ‘Kev the Kidder’”

    this is why you never have a debate with a moron. they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    you are really, really not too bright are you..? lmao..

    i’m no longer in the military. pay sucks….

    so…you ever gonna talk about games or just hurl insults? pathetic little fanboy….

  152. kev:

    oh and for the record,
    1. the military no longer uses “fatigues”.
    2. I wasn’t in the Army
    3. You = useless waste of space.

    Enjoy!

  153. phranctoast:

    So I apparently said what about you?

    It takes a big man to admit when he’s wrong. And a bigger man to apologize.

    That said, I expect nothing from kev.

  154. ToshithegreaT:

    An even bigger man than that to Forgive :)

  155. CarlB:

    kev,

    Sept. NPD at least and most likely Oct, etc.?

    “The PlayStation 3 was the top console platform for the month (Sept 2009), its first time having that honor. We suggested last time that the system could hit 2.0 – 2.5 million units during the final three months of the year, and its September sales rate of 98,000 units per week is consistent with that expectation.”

    gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25741

  156. phranctoast:

    All in good time tosh. ;)

  157. oldschool1987:

    ‘i’m no longer in the military. pay sucks…’

    @ Kev: We can change this sentence to make it a fact:

    ‘I’ve never been in the Military and I’m a Troll.’

    That sounds correct.

    And your using my insults against me? I’m a waste of space now yeah? Least I don’t lie about being in the forces, when I say it it’s fact. Every syllable you type is pure shit.

    Your a raging fanboy. Emphasis on BOY.

  158. kev:

    oldschool – My DD214 says you’re an idiot. enjoy fanboy!! lmao..

  159. kev:

    carl – yes, one month… with the price drop….

    it’s always spiked with every price drop…then went right back down….. we’ll see.

  160. Roca.:

    damn does he even come come to interact with fellow gamers

  161. oldschool1987:

    @ Kev the Kidder: Wow I don’t understand that geek talk at all. Is that the cool thing in the playground these days?

  162. Roca.:

    “Is that the cool thing in the playground these days?”

    lmaooooo

  163. phranctoast:

    Well. New NPD numbers should be out by tomorrow or early next week. I guess we’ll see how its keeping up.

    It seemed to hit a plateau in Japan at 30-35K units sold a week.

    The early 360 black friday deal won’t show its effect until next month. I wonder how much supply they had set aside for that and if it will be the deal breaker that pushes people to get one. I know they were difficult to get in on that deal in NY.

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