Modern Warfare 2 breaks all sales records

November 19, 2009

Modern Warfare 2 breaks all sales recordsTo call Modern Warfare 2 a success is to underplay its achievement. Not only has the latest title in the Call Of Duty series outsold all other video games in its first five days on sale, but it also racked up more cash than any movie ever has in that time frame as well. Activision is laughing all the way to the bank on this one.

It was always going to sell in huge numbers but I wasn’t sure whether Modern Warfare 2 would be able to topple GTA IV in terms of first week sales. But it has. According to Activision, MW2 has pulled in $550 million of sales. That beats Grand Theft Auto 4 by $50 million and even beats Harry Potter and The Half-Blood Prince‘s $394 million in its first five days on general release.

Activision CEO Bobby Kotick undoubtedly grinned like a Cheshire cat while stating:

In just five days of sell through, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 has become the largest entertainment launch in history and a pop culture phenomenon. The title’s success redefines entertainment as millions of consumers have chosen to play Modern Warfare 2 at unprecedented levels rather than engage in other forms of media.

I’m pleased for the video games industry and the way in which these figures prove video games can compete with movies as a form of entertainment. However, I’m not so pleased for Activision and I’m determined to pick up a pre-owned copy of Modern Warfare 2 to prevent the company getting any more cash.



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125 Responses to “Modern Warfare 2 breaks all sales records”

  1. Ivan_PSP:

    Of course it made more money the damn game has 3 prices $60 $80 $150 robbery. I still prefer GTA over this garbage. I hope EA make Battlefield: Bad Company 2 really good i didn’t like the first. Call of Duty is so much hype that people forget how shitty the game truly is. Most review just slap a 10/10 they don’t bother really reviewing the game which is sad to see same thing happen with GTA IV no where in hell does those game can be scored so high. I will never buy a Activision never had never will.

  2. Happyhockum:

    You should live (assuming you don’t) in the UK Dave.

    All those fairey tales of how Activiion were going to gouge people and lift new on-release game prices from their current £40 – £45 to £50 – £55 turned out to be so much BS.

    I bought mine at Sainsburys for £26.

    Sorry if I laugh at all that bile over pricing with Activision.
    It just didn’t happen around my way.

    (and I just don’t believe the UK was unique in this…..of course some stores did sell MW2 on release at £44.99 and some desperate to get the game straight away paid that but you always get the uninformed being suckered)

  3. Dave Parrack:

    HH, it’s not about what retailers charged for the game though, as the fact remains that Activision upped the RRP in the UK to £54.99. The supermarkets decided to have a price war but all they cut was their profit margin – they will still have had to pay the cost price dictated by the publishers.

  4. me_:

    “Modern Warfare 2 breaks all sales records”
    Except most sales, which is kind of important.

    There’s probably half a dozen Wii games that have sold more than MW2.

  5. Happyhockum:

    Dave

    All I know is that I was primed to expect a price at about £50 – £55.

    I could care less how it happened but the fact remains that I got this new game on release day for £26.

    The numbers of sales @ particular prices will be sending the message back whatever anyone imagined was going to happen.

  6. SW:

    Then perhaps you should thank Sainsbury’s ;)

    Oh and I’m still a proud ‘none-owner’ of MW2.

  7. Roca.:

    Congrats to Activision! I hope next time they think about us (consumers) a bit more.

  8. Rhino:

    Shame it’s not the game-play it will be remembered for.

  9. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    and then in a few months or so u’ll see $millions being dropped from map packs and shit…but hey ppl will buy it…check this vid of AC2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnQZHBodpwk

  10. CON:

    “Shame it’s not the game-play it will be remembered for.”

    One of the best multiplayers of all time. I’m also a bit taken back by all the mw2 hate. For a start I’ve yet to see it priced at what you claimed it is Dave. Why do you keep up with these claims when it’s pretty obvious that this is not the case. Have you actually been to a game shop recently, I would have assumed you guys got a free copy anyway.

  11. Ivan_PSP:

    Call of Duty was a major letdown for people that love story a huge massive enormous ripoff. Next time people would rent first.

  12. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    prolly not ivan its the multiplayer thats addicting

  13. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    i gave it the best shooter award vote.

  14. Andrew_DS:

    Ivan, you should grab your soap box and roam the countryside preaching to all the idiots out there who keep buying an obviously shit game. I mean your obviously right and all those millions of people out there who have been conned and bought it “because of the hype” are wrong.

    But I bet you wouldn’t mind having a nickel for each copy sold.

    I wish i could write a crap game like COD instead of all the amazing games I do write that just don’t sell… I just don’t get it???

  15. Andrew_DS:

    Oh and ANYTHING BUT UNCHARTED 2 : Among Thieves for game of the year.

    How about COD Modern Warfare 2 perhaps! Hmmmm (strokes chin)

  16. Ivan_PSP:

    We all know everyone that truly knows gaming voted for UNCHARTED 2: Among thieves in all category it was.

  17. phranctoast:

    @Ivan
    If the vga’s awards are strictly determined by “peoples choice” then u2 doesn’t stand a chance against all the people that voted who have yet to play it.

    Its akin to voting for the “most likely to suceed award” in your yearbook. People vote for the dumb jock. ;)

  18. kev:

    pretty impressive numbers by any means.

    anyone see the Walmart add about this game?

    “it’s best played on the xbox 360..”….. ouch…lmao..

    could be why the 360 version is outselling the ps3 version 2:1.

    i have to wonder tho; if the ps3′s exclusives are so “great” (as the fanboys swear) why is a multiplat outselling all of them? ouch…

  19. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    i think i voted UN2 for GOTY but cod mw2 im sure will win. Do they get money for that too? they’ll prolly sell their trophy on ebay those milf humping studs

  20. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    kev…so your that guy on the cod mw2 wal-mart commercial that drives his car through the garage door. nice bro keep em coming

  21. kev:

    kevo – see this is what i mean? you ps3 idiots are too stupid to even post in context.

    i was talking about announcer at the end of the commercial….

    what a tool…lmao…

  22. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    dude i got got u man, i was joking. we’re not so different, you and I lmao yea whats ur gamertag i have hardly any friends on the xbox

  23. phranctoast:

    @kev.

    That was a 360 sponsored commercial. Come one.. you should have known that. I love that commerical btw. “You’ll never get this far”

    “i have to wonder tho; if the ps3’s exclusives are so “great” (as the fanboys swear) why is a multiplat outselling all of them? ouch…”

    It’s blowing away sales of 360 exclusives as well.

    And to answer the question a bit differently would be………because it’s multi platform. It has more than one platform to sell on. Hence why GTA4 outsold Halo 3.

    silly rabbit.

  24. phranctoast:

    “we’re not so different, you and I ”

    Don’t be proud of that..lmao

  25. Ivan_PSP:

    kev is on denial he knows Xbox 360 is shitty and barely has any exclusives or any game worth owning. PS3 owners got more then just Call of Duty to buy we got.

    God of War Collection
    Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack In Time
    Demon’s Souls
    UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves
    Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2

  26. Roca.:

    u really want to waste your time playing with lil kids?

  27. phranctoast:

    @Happy

    I know I see you post the same thing over and over with how much you spent on MW2, and I got a similar sweet deal through Amazon with a $20 promotional code for use with the next game.

    However the PC MW2 cost $10 more than other new release PC games, and you can also look at the ridiculously prices “special editions” for proof of price gouging.

  28. twilight:

    Obviously, if we look at video games sales only, then Modern Warfare 2 would be the game of the year. However, with that being said, I still like Uncharted 2 as game of the year. I thought this game brought a more balanced overall experience. I also liked the Batman game.

  29. phranctoast:

    Has everyone beat MW2 yet?

    When is it OK to talk about plot (lack of) or spoilers?

  30. Roca.:

    I havent beat it yet, but feel free to talk about it all you want. its not like it has a top notch SP campaign

  31. ToshithegreaT:

    “And to answer the question a bit differently would be………because it’s multi platform. It has more than one platform to sell on. Hence why GTA4 outsold Halo 3.”

    Only if u include ps3 and pc sales, same goes for MW1 & MW2

  32. Roca.:

    MW2 sold more on the 360 only if you include 360 sales ;)

  33. Ivan_PSP:

    I will beat it this month or the next one i gotta visit my cousin in Long Island to play it because i will not waste my money on this shit too expensive for what you get. Xbox 360 owners are buying this game more then PS3 maybe because of the facts that this is the only game they really got decent a multiplaform. PS3 owners have so many other PS3 exclusive they can purchased.

  34. Happyhockum:

    phranctoast

    If you want to rip on the capitalist system then fine, there’s a lot about it I’ll happily join the line about & give a thoroughly well deserved kicking about.
    Not that most are going to be so general but zeroing in & complaining about 1 company’s reported intention(s) when they don’t actually happen on the ground seems to me to be a bit weak.

    Anyways, as you & I have both said our experience, irrespective of what Activision may have intended, was a cheap brand new game.
    The net result interests me far more than say the opposite outcome – would people be praising Activision if they were reported, repeatedly & at length, saying they wanted to significantly cut game prices and in fact they ended up being sold for 50% extra on launch?
    Of course not.

    TBH I’ve been waiting to see the price war happen for quite a while – and as an occasional PC gamer I’m well aware that console games have been ridiculously priced for some time.
    I’m just surprised that console game devs have gotten away with their outrageous price-points they have kept for so long.

    I’m not that surprised to see pricing converge although as I now play on the console on-line more I’m not bother if that means PC game prices rise and console prices get price-warred down.
    Sorry SW. ;)

    Roca

    “MW2 sold more on the 360 only if you include 360 sales”

    Even for you that has to be one of the most dumb things you have come out with yet.

  35. ncaissie:

    The 360 MW2 outselling PS3 version is common sense. Try thinking for a change. Your talking US Only for one. There are more 360s in the US then PS3s. And the PS3 people have a lot more games to choose from then the 360 people. Therefore people like me would like to have MW2 but would prefer to spend our money on GOW collection and all the other great games coming out on the PS3. I will buy Rachet and Clank first or Demon Souls.

    Common sense you people don’t have obviously.

  36. Roca.:

    you were the only idiot to take that joke seriously (who would’ve guessed). didnt you noticed the “wink wink” smiley

    taking things personal again

  37. Roca.:

    @ nacaissie

    you nailed…it is common sense (or even basic math)

  38. Ivan_PSP:

    LoL that what i was saying we PS3 owners got more then just Call Of Duty to buy we got a bunch of high profile exclusives to buy every damn month. Also the PS3 is play mostly by everyone while the Xbox 360 is mainly shooter. Is really common sense. If you united the sales for every game on Xbox 360 and also the PS3 sales aside. I bet the PS3 has a bigger number is dollar more money made.

  39. kev:

    Roca – “MW2 sold more on the 360 only if you include 360 sales”

    WTF!?!?!? LMAO…!!! This clown has lost it…..

    I can understand why you don’t like the campaign. The story is waaaaaay over your head. Maybe if they had a princess locked in a castle that needs rescuing, you could keep up…lmao…

    ..same with phranc apparently…lmao..

    Btw; phranc, where’s that serial number I asked for?

  40. phranctoast:

    I can’t give shit to a game being sold for 59.99 when that is the norm. Although I have to wonder who was buying the hardened and prestige versions.

    It is nice to see some 1st party and other games getting prices at the $55 range and below when they are new games.

  41. kev:

    ncaissie – “The 360 MW2 outselling PS3 version is common sense. Try thinking for a change. Your talking US Only for one. There are more 360s in the US then PS3s. And the PS3 people have a lot more games to choose from then the 360 people”

    this is why you ps3 fanboys are considered the braindamaged of the gaming industry.

    1. the 360 does not have a 2:1 console sales ratio the ps3, yet MW2 sold more copies on the 360 than the ps3 by a ratio of 2:1. interesting
    2. the 360 has more games available. it was you fanboys who keep reminding us it’s becuase “the 360 had an early launch”.

    look, don’t type…. really. you make ps3 gamers look dumber than they really are…

  42. phranctoast:

    @kev

    “Btw; phranc, where’s that serial number I asked for?”

    Huh?

  43. Ghost:

    whack whack whack whack

  44. kev:

    phranc – oh…gonna play stupid now? or are you not playing?

    you said you had your original ps2 from 2000. i asked for the serial number to verify.

    you ran….

  45. Roca.:

    Kev really, what nacissie said makes sense.

    within a 45 days span…PS3 owner had to choose from a good amount of exclusive NSG2, DS, U2, R+C, GoW Collection and Buzz World. most of the PS3 sell will spread out on those 6 exclusive games “plus” all the great multiplatform games like AC2, MW2, Tekken, Borderlands, DAO, etc.

  46. Roca.:

    “you said you had your original ps2 from 2000. i asked for the serial number to verify”

    I got 2 original PS2..want the serial N ?

  47. kev:

    Roca – oh, i love watching you sony clowns spin data….

    if it wasn’t “45 days” you would have reduced it to “30 days”. if not valid, you would have reduced it to “15 days”…. friggin hilarious…lmao..

    what good are exclusives if they don’t sell consoles? given the poor sales of the ps3 exclusives, it’s easy to see why the ps3 is in such far last place….

  48. kev:

    roca – i’m dealing with phranc….

    he’s a big boy..let him stand behind his own lie.

  49. phranctoast:

    “phranc – oh…gonna play stupid now? or are you not playing?

    you said you had your original ps2 from 2000. i asked for the serial number to verify.

    you ran….”

    Sorry must have missed your post about that. Where the hell was that?

  50. Roca.:

    actually my original PS2s are as valid as Phranc’s.

    you just cant face the truth that There are more Original PS2 than 360s (broken ones and working ones combine)

  51. Ivan_PSP:

    The PS3 came out a year ahead of PS3 and only manage to pass the PS3 worldwide sales barely. Sony is gonna surpass them soon they have been catching up pretty damn fast. Microsoft even rushed the console worry that Sony was again going to destroy them like they did last generation. I wonder what you Xbots are going to be saying when Sony surpasses Microsoft i can’t wait to here your bitching for that thing. And all PS3 exclsuives sell very well.

  52. phranctoast:

    I’ll have the serial number for him today. I got it back from my brother recently as he doesn’t use it anymore so it’s sitting in my car now (i don’t have to pick it up to prove a point).

  53. kev:

    Roca – you should never use the word “truth”.

    you still haven’t used it. proven by the fact you claim to know for FACT that there are more original ps2 than 360.. when sony has NEVER given data to support this claim.

    in fact, sony STILL refuses to even admit they have a problem..even after settling the lawsuit….

    sad…

  54. kev:

    “The PS3 came out a year ahead of PS3 and only manage to pass the PS3 worldwide sales barely”

    says the ps3 fanboys…lmao…

  55. Roca.:

    “when sony has NEVER given data to support this claim”

    neither has MS about all the broken/dead/RRoD 360s, but yet they still claim they have sold over 30M units.

    idk why you keep trying, bc you not going to get anywhere with this.

  56. kev:

    Roca – “neither has MS about all the broken/dead/RRoD 360s, but yet they still claim they have sold over 30M units.”

    that’s because repairs aren’t counted as sales, moron..lmao…

  57. kev:

    roca – “idk why you keep trying, bc you not going to get anywhere with this.”

    you’re right. you ps3 fanboys will never change. useless as your console of choice….bleh…

  58. phranctoast:

    Can anyone here host photos?

    I’ll take pictures of my ps2 and serial number and send it to someone to host if they can….

  59. Roca.:

    ask him to send the pics of his 3 dead PS2s and his working 360 (which I doubt it is still working)…you will see how he runs away

  60. Roca.:

    Kev

    I know many ppl (carlb is one of them) that has traded in their dead or almost dead 360 to buy a new one.

    thats 2 system sold but only one is active on a household.

  61. phranctoast:

    “ask him to send the pics of his 3 dead PS2s and his working 360 (which I doubt it is still working)…you will see how he runs away”

    I’m fairly doubtful it was three. It was probably one and he still has a working one. If it’s three it kind of makes him look like a moron for buying three.

    It’s also odd that with three ps2′s he still didn’t play the GOW series which has been called the best ps2 games of all time.

  62. Roca.:

    …….I told you he will run away

  63. CarlB:

    “…because it’s multi platform. It has more than one platform to sell on.”

    Twilight, MW2, counting only PS3 sales, sold more than any other exclusive on the platform in the same period of time. This was his point. While it sold more than any other exclusive on 360 as well counting only 360 sales, the point is made several times here that PS3 has the best exclusives that gamers are willing to pay money for, and much better than any multi-platform game. Apparently, the majority of PS3 gamers who are willing to pay money for their games like MW2 more than any other exclusive on the platform at this time.

    “However the PC MW2 cost $10 more than other new release PC games…”

    And many PC gamers are willing to pay $10 more to play it on day one. Those who are not will wait for it to come down in price and buy it anyway.

    “…and you can also look at the ridiculously prices ‘special editions’ for proof of price gouging.”

    Yes, I agree, God of War III Ultimate Edition for $100 is a great example. Gamers who have the money will still buy it in droves.

    “I have to wonder who was buying the hardened and prestige versions.”

    The same people that will buy the God of War 3 Ultimate Edition.

    “LoL that what i was saying we PS3 owners got more then just Call Of Duty to buy we got a bunch of high profile exclusives to buy every damn month.”

    Yes, but the majority of those PS3 gamers are buying MW2 instead.

    “Also the PS3 is play mostly by everyone while the Xbox 360 is mainly shooter. Is really common sense. If you united the sales for every game on Xbox 360 and also the PS3 sales aside. I bet the PS3 has a bigger number is dollar more money made.”

    That’s an interesting theory, and it isn’t true:

    Oct NPD top 20:

    UC2 (PS3): 537K
    Borderlands(360): 418K
    NBA2K10 (360): 311K
    H3ODST (360): 271K
    NBA2K10 (PS3): 213K
    FM3 (360): 175K
    FIFA10 (360): 156K
    DemSouls (PS3): 156K
    FIFA10 (PS3): 150K
    WWE10 (360): 150K
    Brutal Leg (360): 150K
    Tekken 6 (PS3): 150K
    Madden ’10 (360): 113K
    Borderlands(PS3): 113K

    360: 1,744,000
    PS3: 1,169,000

    As you can see, the 360 is not only outselling PS3 game for game, but also has RPG, racing, sports, and action besides shooters for genres here. You lost the bet Ivan.

  64. Ivan_PSP:

    CarlB:
    I meant the entire library not just 20 games LMFAO.

    PS3 is the console to own who ever buys an Xbox now is a pure moron.

  65. CarlB:

    “thats 2 system sold but only one is active on a household.”

    Yes, after almost four years of gaming on my launch 360, I decided to trade in my still functioning 360 for a new one that had an upgraded processor, more onboard memory, etc. PS3 is not that old yet. I also know many previous PS3 owners (like roca) who bought either an additional PS3 Slim or replaced their old ones with the new model.

    Maybe your argument will fly when the 360 is no longer outselling PS3 in software every month roca. The latest numbers show it is still outselling PS3 by 33% in total top software sales, and almost four times as many bought the top selling RPG title (and multiplatform title) for the month on 360.

  66. Roca.:

    this NPD arguments is a joke because there are more 360s than PS3s. it only make sense to assume that most multiplatform games are going to sell more on the console with more units out.

    you can’t compare “360 vs PS3″ in japan for the same reason.

    Tales of Visperia on the PS3 sold more the first day than what it had sold for an entire year on the 360.

    another point is that the PS3 produced and the software sales are more then likely to be spread out amoung the exclusive and multipat games

  67. CarlB:

    IvanPSP:

    Sorry, just thought I might use the top 20 best selling titles list as being representative of each console’s respective library sales currently. 360 still has the most favorably reviewed current gen titles in it’s library on Metacritic… 90%+ of all AAA multiplatform titles still sell more on 360… Do you have a better example? lol

  68. CarlB:

    “this NPD arguments is a joke because there are more 360s than PS3s.”

    What happened to “2 system sold but only one is active on a household” roca? That would put the actual number of working 360s well below PS3s, and PS3 would be consistently outselling 360 in software every month by your argument.

    “Tales of Visperia on the PS3 sold more the first day than what it had sold for an entire year on the 360.”

    That may be, but Borderlands managed to sell more in it’s first few weeks than both versions of Vesperia combined to date, and ToV has been out for well over a year. Apparently NPD is not that much of a joke, but if there ever is an EPD, let me know. As it is, the major console manufacturers have already stated North America as a market dwarfs Japan in sales consistently.

    “more then likely to be spread out amoung the exclusive and multipat games”

    Precisely why I counted exclusives and multiplatform sales together above (Oct NPD sales), and it still did not work in favor of PS3, even though it had the top selling exclusive for the month.

  69. Roca.:

    @ CarlB

    ohh wow…here we go again but w.e

    “Maybe your argument will fly when the 360 is no longer outselling PS3 in software every month roca.”

    Kev started the arguments, not me. and it was about 360 and PS3 sales. it was about PS2 and 360 defects.

    “I also know many previous PS3 owners (like roca) who bought either an additional PS3 Slim or replaced their old ones with the new model”

    uhmm wrong again. I bought a Slim for the leaving room to use it as a BD player and so my brother could play on it and not take any of my gaming time.
    my Original PS3 (60GB) with 500GB HDD is what Im still using… the slim didnt replace it as most of the time they are both being used at the same time. the few times you see me playing CoD its because im playing with him (since I bought one copy of MW2 for $30 and he bought his at gamestop after the game came out).

    sorry I you got offended by me for putting your name in one of my post…I did it because Kev likes calling other “liars”. it wasnt anything personal.

  70. CarlB:

    http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=All&game1=Tales+of+Vesperia++-+PS3&reg2=All&game2=Tales+of+Vesperia+-+X360&reg3=All&game3=Borderlands+-+X360&weeks=80

  71. Ivan_PSP:

    CarlB:
    Yo so biased towards Xbox 360 why is that i think you should just sell the PS3 you claim to own. I’m just stating the hard true on what I’m reading.

  72. CarlB:

    “I bought a Slim for the leaving room to use it as a BD player and so my brother could play on it and not take any of my gaming time.”

    Yes roca, that is an additional PS3 for one household. Read it, I said, “either an additional PS3 Slim OR…”

    Didn’t even break squelch roca, I do not get offended that easily, so no worries.

  73. Ivan_PSP:

    I got 3 PS3. and Roca. has 2 in his house that makes it 5 PS3. Roca where you live so we can combine all PS3 into one beast. No answer needed.

  74. Roca.:

    I meant to say:
    “Kev started the arguments, not me. and it *was not* about 360 and PS3 sales. it was about PS2 and 360 defects.”

    “Borderlands managed to sell more in it’s first few weeks than both versions of Vesperia combined to date”

    wow…my point was that games are going to sell more on the console that has more units out (for that specific region). now your trying to compare JP vs US (which US still have the edge). this is not about which console sells more, its about why a console sells more (more console = more sales, less games to choose from = more sales for those few games)

    games sell more on the 360 in the US (as there are more 360). games sell more on the PS3 in JP (as there are more PS3). there is really no need to argue CarlB.

  75. CarlB:

    Ivan,

    I am “biased” to owning and enjoying more than one console, but more specifically, the individual gamees I can play on them. Besides, you are only reading responses (that are backed up with “the hard true”) to your own bias.

  76. Roca.:

    “Didn’t even break squelch roca, I do not get offended that easily, so no worries.”

    well looking at the way you came at me I would guess that you took it in a wrong way. Kev started the flaming about companies hiding “sales numbers” but you only directed you comments towards me. and the arguments was about 360 vs PS2 defects and yet you manage to include me and the PS3 slim that I bought

  77. Ivan_PSP:

    Roca.:
    LoL, i would never make that mistake. And we all know Xbox 360 is the most defective and least reliable console in the world. I have never had any problems and i got 6 PS2.

  78. Ivan_PSP:

    CarlB:
    We all know you try to make PS3 look bad but it always fails. I’m trying to call you what you are I’m give you more facts. I give credit when credit is due.

  79. Roca.:

    CalrB: “Yes roca, that is an additional PS3 for one household”

    yes but it didnt replace my old PS3 as there are both active at the same time because me and my brother hardly play the same type games. he plays other stuff that im not into and he buys his own games. you will see trophy collection games like MW2, Far Cry 2, Flashpoint, HAWX and END WAR, Bad Company etc.

    and you know what type of games I play. so two console in one house one and both active is different than ““2 system sold but only one is active on a household” – and only one working”

  80. phranctoast:

    Its good Carlb came out to defend kev’s statement. I don’t even think he knew what he meant, but carl does ;)

    Anyway.
    Sales /= great game or better game. plenty of wii games prove this.

    carlb should know this. You remind me of a friend of mine who argues for the sake of arguing. You missed your calling. should have been a lawyer and not a marine ;)

  81. Ivan_PSP:

    phranctoast:
    I don’t think Wii has any good game or real games for that matter.

  82. CarlB:

    “games sell more on the 360 in the US (as there are more 360). games sell more on the PS3 in JP (as there are more PS3). there is really no need to argue CarlB.”

    Sorry, I thought we were just having a discussion?
    In any case, you make a very good point:

    Japan:

    360- 1.1M
    PS3- 3.8M
    Wii- 8.7M

    America:

    360- 19M
    PS3- 10.3M
    Wii- 25.8M

    What I don’t see here is how Borderlands, when 360 has only a 2 to 1 lead over PS3 in America, could outsell the the PS3 version nearly 4 to 1.

  83. Roca.:

    Borderland camo the same date as Uncharted 2

    “America:

    360- 19M
    PS3- 10.3M”

    didnt kev said the MW2 on the 360 outsold the PS3 version 2:1 even though the 360 console doesnt have a 2:1 advantage.

    thanks CarlB for providing these numbers, it will kill alot of worthless “sales” arguments

  84. Ivan_PSP:

    CarlB:
    This statistic don’t make Xbox 360 games any better.

    Also American favor Xbox 360 not because is any better then PLAYSTATION 3 but because is the console that belongs to their country. This has always been my believe. Sony is going to end this biased philosophy once and for all. And i know that not every American is biased towards Xbox 360 some are truthful loyal PlayStation fanatics.

  85. phranctoast:

    I hear ya Roca.

    I’m interested in Borderlands, but U2 came out followed two weeks by R+C followed two weeks by MW2 followed a week later with GOW:C.

    Assassins creed 2 and Borderlands kind of gets pushed behind. It doesn’t matter. I’ll probably get both for Christmas anyhow.

  86. phranctoast:

    “Also American favor Xbox 360 not because is any better then PLAYSTATION 3 but because is the console that belongs to their country. This has always been my believe.”

    I don’t really believe that. Maybe true with the ps3 in Japan but the price is what kept ps3 sales down in the USA until now.

  87. Roca.:

    @ Phranc

    whenever you going to get bortherlands let me know. im looking for someone to coop with before I buy the game. on Black friday best buy is going to have it for $35

  88. CarlB:

    “Sales /= great game or better game.”

    Uncharted 2 proves this ;) Joking aside, I don’t believe sales necessarily equate to a great game or better game. Each one is unique in it’s own way, going way beyond genre at times. It can be representative of a specific market whom it appeals to though.

  89. Ivan_PSP:

    phranctoast:
    “Maybe true with the ps3 in Japan but the price is what kept ps3 sales down in the USA until now.”

    Yes, i also believe the PS3 price was a major huge issue for many cheap gamers. Lucky right now the PS3 is selling very well. Plus it has a massive enormous list of high profile must have jaw dropping mind blowing exclusives.

    Roca.:
    I always wonder why is call Black Friday. I wish i had a Wal-Mart near me so i can get some good deals. I guess is eBay again.

  90. CarlB:

    “Borderland camo the same date as Uncharted 2″

    That’s nice to know roca, but it still doesn’t answer my question which was in regards to your point: “games sell more on the 360 in the US (as there are more 360).” So, really, why would the 360 version outsell the PS3 version 4 to 1 if console sales only equated for a 2 to 1 ratio and the game received the same review score for both versions?

  91. Roca.:

    ok sales supposed to be 2:1

    but one can guess half of the ppl who were going to get Borderlands bought Uncharted instead including me and Phranc

    so since sell of borderlands was cut by half then you can say sales are going to look like this

    2: 0.5 (half) which is the same as 4 to 1

  92. phranctoast:

    I think he did answer it. If someone is budgeted for only so many games per month you need to pick and choose.

    It’s also like you said. Some genres sell better on different systems. Tekken 6 sold better on ps3 for instance.

  93. harry sachz:

    “well looking at the way you came at me” -> HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAH

  94. phranctoast:

    Hopefully not in the eye.

  95. harry sachz:

    I know. That shit stings.

  96. SW:

    Peter North style…

  97. CarlB:

    “but one can guess half of the ppl who were going to get Borderlands bought Uncharted instead”

    and NBA2K10 as it outnumbers Borderlands sales 2 to 1 on the platform as well.

    Your argument of amount of titles to choose from spreading sales out makes sense as well as 360 has 8 in the top 20 and PS3 only has 5.

  98. twilight:

    Carl B,
    MW2 has sold a truck load of copies on both systems. Apparently, this is the type of game that appeals to the masses regardless of the system it is being played on. I am one of the people who is playing this game on the Ps3 along with the God of War collection.
    As far as collector’s editions go, I have only purchased a collector’s edition of Gears of War one because it was the same price as the regular editon. I am one of the people who does not normally see a value in special edition games. God of War 3 will probably be another exception to this.

  99. JofaMang:

    It is called Black Friday, because traditionally, such a large percent of the years sales occur on Black Friday (because of the huge sales) that most businesses balance sheets move into the “black” (profit) from the “red” (loosing money).

  100. JofaMang:

    The 360 built its fanbase heavily upon FPS gamer culture. That any multi-plat FPS would outsell based on install base is no surprise to me. Just like how the PS brand was partially build on fighters like Tekken and SF, it is no surprise (nor a bragging point) that those games far outsell on the PS3 using the same metric.

    Really now.

  101. Ivan_PSP:

    JofaMang:
    Thanks. Good name i guess now that i know how it go it.

  102. CarlB:

    “That any multi-plat FPS would outsell based on install base is no surprise to me.”

    Me either. Borderlands is a multi-plat Action RPG. There is nothing to brag about any console.

  103. Happyhockum:

    JofaMang

    That’s a little bit different to how I heard it.

    My understanding was that it goes way back to the days when it took until ‘black Friday’ for the stores to reach overall profitability for the year.

    They could then afford some serious sales & discounting.

    There are various meanings (I expect it’s common knowledge that ‘black’ ****day is often used to denote a terrible tragedy or disasterous event).

    Wiki does mention the explaination I thought was the appropriate as far as retailing goes –

    “By the early 1980s, an alternative theory began to be circulated: that retailers traditionally operated at a financial loss for most of the year (January through November) and made their profit during the holiday season, beginning on the day after Thanksgiving.
    When this would be recorded in the financial records, once-common accounting practices would use red ink to show negative amounts and black ink to show positive amounts.
    Black Friday, under this theory, is the beginning of the period where retailers would no longer have losses (the red) and instead take in the year’s profits (the black).[13]
    The earliest known use, again found by Bonnie Taylor-Blake, is from 1981, again from Philadelphia, and presents the “black ink” theory as one of several competing possibilities:

    If the day is the year’s biggest for retailers, why is it called Black Friday? Because it is a day retailers make profits — black ink, said Grace McFeeley of Cherry Hill Mall.
    “I think it came from the media,” said William Timmons of Strawbridge & Clothier.
    “It’s the employees, we’re the ones who call it Black Friday,” said Belle Stephens of Moorestown Mall. “We work extra hard. It’s a long hard day for the employees.”

    h**p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(shopping)

  104. Roca.:

    its a Black Friday for our pockets ;)

  105. JofaMang:

    Not trying to be an ass, but how is that explanation any different from mine, other than its longer, and quoted from wiki?

  106. Roca.:

    @ Jofa

    lol I just read both of your comments and its exactly the same:

    Jofa: “It is called Black Friday, because traditionally, such a large percent of the years sales occur on Black Friday (because of the huge sales) that most businesses balance sheets move into the “black” (profit) from the “red” (loosing money).”

    Happy: (quoted from wiki) “If the day is the year’s biggest for retailers, why is it called Black Friday? Because it is a day retailers make profits — black ink”

    looks the same to me :)

  107. phranctoast:

    I thought it represented the slaughter of the American Indians by the Pilgrims after the first Thanksgiving. ;)

  108. kev:

    roca – i only call you a liar, because you are one.

    you lie….a LOT…

    not as bad as ivan tho, so that shuold make you feel better…lmao…

  109. JofaMang:

    @prhanc

    Nope, thats small-pox blanket tuesday, usually the last Tuesday before christmas.

  110. phranctoast:

    LMAO.

  111. Happyhockum:

    JofaMang

    Your answer is entirely different.

    You said that the businesses move into profit “because traditionally, such a large percent of the years sales occur on Black Friday (because of the huge sales)”

    and that it is because of this

    “that most businesses balance sheets move into the “black” (profit) from the “red” (loosing money)”

    That’s not the same.
    The idea is that businesses have spent the year trading in the red & at a loss up until arong the time of ‘black friday’ and that it is reaching that point in the year
    (at that time that the business moves into profit)
    which allows them to afford to discount & have big sales.

    Black Friday itself is not responsible for this (which is what you have said).

    The point is that the profit/loss situation, taken over the whole year, has moved from loss (the red) to profit (the black) at around this time enabling the deep cuts in margin/price.

    Are you sure you can’t see the difference?
    Do you really reckon that what you said was the same?

    W.E.
    All I did was post up my understanding of what it came from, no need for a row.

    If you really think that what you said is the same then fine.

  112. Happyhockum:

    Uh oh.

    ‘arong’ = around

  113. Ivan_PSP:

    Who give’s a shit god damn it LMFAO.

  114. Happyhockum:

    Ivan

    Er, you did.
    Right when you originally asked the question
    “I always wonder why is call Black Friday”.

    It must be really cr@p having the attention-span of a fish…..still, many of you American kids are renouned for being hooked on Ritalin to treat attention deficit disorder (ADD) or is it attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in your case?

    Yeah, why would I answer a direct question from JofaMang?

  115. Ivan_PSP:

    I already got an answer

  116. CarlB:

    “still, many of you American kids are renouned for being hooked on Ritalin to treat attention deficit disorder (ADD) or is it attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in your case?”

    He’s Japanese.

  117. Ivan_PSP:

    CarlB:
    كيف تجد ذلك؟

  118. Happyhockum:

    Ivan

    Yeah you did and it wasn’t correct.
    No surprises you prefer something other than the facts and reality tho.

    Carlb

    Really?
    I thought he claimed he was some scary ‘street dude’ from NYC?

  119. Ivan_PSP:

    happyhockum:
    LoL, okay so i read yours too thanks. I was just really looking from where the name came from not the why but more is better more knowledge.

    I am a bad ass NYC thug LoL j/k.

  120. CarlB:

    Ivan_PSP,
    貿易のトリック

  121. Happyhockum:

    Hey Ivan, how about that XBL tag?

  122. Ghost:

    well “ol kev” didn’t have much to say in this article but he laughed his ass off 19 times and used the word fanboy 5.

    LMAO = 19
    fanboy = 5

  123. Ivan_PSP:

    My Gamertag is Ivan PSP no underscore just a space between my name and PSP. I hardly use okay.

  124. Happyhockum:

    k Ivan

    I’ll look out for you.

  125. oldschool1987:

    Haha @ Ghost :D Brilliant.

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