Microsoft Xbox ban causes legal woes and revenue boost potentially
After the recent massive banning on Xbox Live by Microsoft, several interesting series of events have happened. Hundreds of modded Xbox 360s have flooded Craigslist and a potential class action lawsuit is brewing.
According to reports, about a million Xbox Live users have been banned. The aftermath gets a bit ugly as a U.S. law firm, Abington IP, is filing a class-action lawsuit against Microsoft over the banning. The firm agrees that piracy is wrong, but the argument is against the timing and method it was done.
The firm alleges that Microsoft timed the ban to happen near the launch of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 to spur an increase in revenue even though the company could have initiated the ban earlier on. I suppose if the ban was done before the launch of COD:MW2, gamers would not go out and actually impulse buy another Xbox 360 and a legitimate copy of COD:MW2.
The firm is also collecting information from users that have been affected by the ban but have not pirated any games. It seems like the firm has reports of users getting banned for modifying the hard disk drive (non-OEM replacements). The firm is asking Microsoft to reimburse all banned users with the remaining balance of the annual subscription cost for Xbox Live.
The ban is causing an interesting halo effect (no pun intended) as hundreds of modded Xbox 360s have flooded Craigslist. According to CNET, Craigslist is “brimming” with banned Xboxes. Microsoft has responded to this by stating that anyone who purchases a modded Xbox 360 secondhand will not receive the warranty and will run the risk of Xbox Live not working for them.
It seems like Microsoft has an ingenious scheme going here as those who sell their modded Xbox 360s will undoubtedly purchase another unit to replace it, translating into more sales. Cha-ching!
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November 21st, 2009
Well really what is the problem. It’s a well know fact that you run the risk of getting banned. If they choose to do it at that point in time well that is just to bad for you. They anounced it weeks before it actually happened so this case is nothing more the the USA sueing for every stupid little thing that country can allow people to sue for. This will be thrown out for sure. These people have been stealing from Microsoft and the Developers so who care if they took your money. You can still play the game just not online. Only in America can people sue for doing something wrong. What a joke the USA is sometimes. Sorry to say this but sometimes I think the USA may have the stupidest people in all the world. There so stupid they voted Bush in twice. Now they want to sue because they they were caught stealing. I thought if you steal your suppose to go to jail. Only in America.
November 21st, 2009
If your a smart American I’m not talking to you because I have plenty of Family and Friends in the USA.
November 21st, 2009
Pirates deserve what they get.
I’m talking to you IVAN!
November 21st, 2009
Not ban haha only idiots can get ban LMFAO fuck you Microsoft I’m gonna dry you out bitches. Anyways if my day ever comes i will stay with the same 360 and i will use my regular Xbox 360 to play online.
I love this lawsuit i hope they get in trouble for trying to help themselves without my authority.
November 21st, 2009
By the way i actually purchased 3 ban Xbox 360 from Craigslist they sell very fast not everyone cares about internet some gamers just play only offline. So is awesome. Microsoft please keep the ban going so i can get rich buying your ban shit and reselling high. You all can do it is easy $$$ to buy real legit games.
November 21st, 2009
Ivan I hope you get the RROD.
And I’m not talking about having your xbox fail.
November 21st, 2009
me_:
I have a jasper and i hardly use it so i will never get any trouble from my Xbox 360. What r u really talkin don’t care.
November 21st, 2009
the ps3 is unhackable and uses protection from pirates unlike the infested whore of m$…bitches
November 21st, 2009
Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:
Yes, our PS3 are highly secure. That’s why the United States of America government uses the PS3t instead of the Xbox 360 console or any other console for that matter.
November 21st, 2009
“The firm alleges that Microsoft timed the ban to happen near the launch of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 to spur an increase in revenue even though the company could have initiated the ban earlier on”
MS strikes again~!!!!!!!!
November 21st, 2009
“Ivan I hope you get the RROD.”
oh you know its going to happen soon or later. but definitely happening
November 21st, 2009
Roca.:
Never trust me. I have the best luck with video game consoles.
Twilight: Saga
November 21st, 2009
Ivan,
Saga..Ha!Ha!
If you haven’t had a console to fail, especially a Xbox360 then you are a lucky man. I’ve experienced Xbox 360 console failures. The hardware is so badly designed it’s inevitable it’s going to fail.
November 21st, 2009
B*llocks.
I’ve never had so much as a lock-up on my 1st Falcon 60gb Xbox or the Falcon 120gb Elite that replaced it nor do I expect a single problem with the new Jasper 250gb Super Elite that is being posted to me as we speak.
The very 1st Xbox SKUs might (might) be prone to problems but that is now very old news & there are plenty of people that own them and have never had a problem.
Right harry?
November 21st, 2009
Back on topic…..
If you hack your Xbox then you just have to take it on the chin if they ban you for it.
It’s a game of move and counter-move and if that’s too tough for you to bear then don’t get involved.
Simple as.
November 21st, 2009
The new xboxs have a little chance of breaking cause they are build better but the old xboxs are a mess
November 21st, 2009
Before every single decision Microsoft makes, they find out if they can make any money out of it. They are a very smart company.
November 21st, 2009
Saber_HAHAha
Well I don’t know about anything especially smart about this it’s just pretty much like every capitalist company operating in the global capitalist economy.
They’re just very good at producing capable, well known and user-friendly products at a price people are willing to pay.
November 21st, 2009
“They’re just very good at producing capable, well known and user-friendly products at a price people are willing to pay.”
just like a 512MB memory card for $20
a 20GB HDD for $100(before the 60GB came out)
a 60GB HDD for $100
a 120GB HDD for $150 (before it was $175)
a Wireless adaptor for $100
a Power Brick for $100
Charging $50/yr for online play
$65 for a controller with a rechargable battery (PS3 controller cost $55 and comes with the Battery bult-in)
just like Happy said:
“They’re just very good at producing capable, well known and user-friendly products at a price people are willing to pay.”
November 22nd, 2009
Roca
LMAO
You just can’t help yourself can you?
What the f**k do you care so much for anyways?
Go cry your eyes out about a game system you have nothing to do with to someone who cares.
Meanwhile just try, I know it’s hard for you, but just try to work out how come Microsoft got to be one of the worlds largest corps.
They couldn’t have coerced or swidled everyone you know.
You tedious idiot fanboy.
November 22nd, 2009
Roca,
The HDD is undoubtedly over priced. Power bricks, while I’ve never had to replace one or had any problems with mine for four years, are notoriously expensive whether you are talking consoles or laptops. Could you link to the $100 price you saw? Google just keeps coming up with $39 under “shopping”.
The wireless adapter is now $68, unless you want to upgrade to wireless N, which is now $84. Personally I only need my wired connection. Gold is available for $40 a year now, and I find it is worth the extra money for slightly higher quality in things like Netflix HD streaming and very rare to no disconnects, and I do enjoy last.fm now through the 360 as well. The controller is also widely available now for $49 with a rechargeable battery pack.
I do think the PS3 keypad at $44 is relatively expensive to the 360 keypad at $23, though each console has it’s own strengths and weaknesses.
November 22nd, 2009
S’funny how every single one of Roca’s price ‘examples’ can be relied upon 100% to always and without exception be at the extreme top of any given price range.
The saddo fanboy in action, every single time.
November 22nd, 2009
all my prices are “retail price” and not any amazon, ebay or used price..
“I do think the PS3 keypad at $44 is relatively expensive”
the PS3 keypad is uses blue tooth and it’s also a “touch pad” just like a laptop “touch pad”
November 22nd, 2009
“S’funny how every single one of Roca’s price ‘examples’ can be relied upon 100% to always and without exception be at the extreme top of any given price range.”
ok im going to like all my “retail price” and prove your sorry ass wrong (like always)
Xbox 360 Live 12 Month Gold Card
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=40944
November 22nd, 2009
Microsoft Xbox 360 Memory Card 512 MB – $30
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=61050
November 22nd, 2009
Xbox 360 Controller & Charge – $65
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=72070
November 22nd, 2009
Microsoft Xbox 360 Live Wireless Headset – $60
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=61048
November 22nd, 2009
XBox 360 Hard Drive 60GB Live Pack – $100
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=72747
November 22nd, 2009
Xbox 360 Hard Drive 120GB – $150
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=65035
if you want any more links let me know
November 22nd, 2009
and if you dont understand what is retail price also let me know. stop trying to squeeze prices when the MS approved “retail price” is other wise
November 22nd, 2009
Well if there’s one thing Microsoft does awful is the pricing is fucking for people who love wasting money or rich kids. Come on a hdd for more then $100 a wifi adapter like 10x times the price it needs to be.
If you want to buy a Xbox 360 u better be prepared 2 work hard to buy add-ons. That console after u buy it u have to build it LMFAO. Microsoft rush the Xbox 360 and guess what happen a major problematic epic disaster.
November 22nd, 2009
roca,
The msrp is just that, a suggestion, and major retailers constantly offer these products at a lower price, often within the course of a month. GameStop is notorious for charging as much as possible. Amazon is a better, larger, and more globally recognized retailer.
“the PS3 keypad is uses blue tooth and it’s also a ‘touch pad’ just like a laptop ‘touch pad’”
Why on earth would you need to pay nearly twice as much for a device that does essentially the same thing? It is already meant to be used on a wireless dual analog controller. More bells and whistles you are forced to pay for that you do not necessarily need. HDD for 360 is also overpriced. Each manufacturer has it’s own examples of overpricing (PS3 when it launched, or memory stick duo for awhile on PSP for example).
Each console has it’s own strengths and weaknesses. For instance, if you desire to play games from last gen PS2 games on your new PS3, you cannot. You would have to purchase an extra PS2 for that capability. Not necessary with 360 and it’s last gen BC. However, you can play PS1 games on PS3 if you so desire.
Again, each has it’s strengths and weaknesses, neither one is clearly “superior” when it comes to playing games, and neither company is clearly “worse” than the other when it comes to pricing. Do you really think PS3 would cost so little now if it was as successful as Wii when it launched?
In any case, if you do not own or intend to own a 360, stop complaining incessantly about it’s accessory/peripheral pricing. If you do intend to own one, get a holiday Elite Bundle for $299 that includes everything you mentioned above, two free games, minus a rechargeable battery which you can get for $12 and a 512MB memory card which is $25. However, if you happen to be like most people, the existing wireless controller works well with rechargeable batteries you most likely already have or can purchase for a couple of bucks.
amazon.com/Xbox-360-Elite-Winter-Batman-Bundle/dp/B002LBGB1S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1258865474&sr=1-1
November 22nd, 2009
“It seems like the firm has reports of users getting banned for modifying the hard disk drive (non-OEM replacements).”
To be clear – the class action lawsuit also includes those users who have been banned that have not pirated any games, but may have modified their Xbox 360s with non-OEM hard drives. So this is not just limited to those that pirate games. Surprising no one caught this.
November 22nd, 2009
It’s been well known since launch that not only will non-oem hard drives void your warranty but are also not authorized for use with XBL due to piracy, hacking, and cheating issues. Not only is it stated in the owner’s manual, but also online and the user’s agreement. Surprising no one caught this before filing a class action lawsuit.
November 22nd, 2009
Carlb
Nice one.
Way to bust his dreary little campaign.
November 22nd, 2009
Microsoft is losing this for sure.
November 22nd, 2009
“Amazon is a better, larger, and more globally recognized retailer.”
its not just gamestop, it is also Radioshak, Bestbuy, Sears, Toys R us, Walmart etc.
MSRP is the official MICROSOFT price for all these products. the MSRP for games is $60 but Amazon usually sells them for $55. but it doesnt change the FACT that the official MSRP is still $60 right?
most ppl buy their product from retail store btw.
“GameStop is notorious for charging as much as possible”
uhhmm I dont think so. all their items are price at the OFFICIAL MSRP PRICE from the MANUFACTURER. you guys are now trying to twist MSRP, lol it is just showing how far you guys are willing to go.
and why the hell is a Xbox 360 infrared wireless headset $10 (MRSP) more than a PS3 blue tooth headset?
November 22nd, 2009
Roca
Most people I know do little basic research & checking before going and buying something.
I don’t know anyone dumb enough to blindly go off and buy stuff at the maximum possible price.
Oh, wait a minute, maybe you do…..?
November 22nd, 2009
“I’ve never had so much as a lock-up ”
I’ve had a few (on various consoles), but I put it down to coding issues rather than the machine itself.
As for the article, I’m sure MS is well within thier rights to ban hammer away. As for whether they waited until everyone resubbed for XBL is kinda shadey. Still, you mess with the bull you get the horns – or something
November 22nd, 2009
“its not just gamestop, it is also Radioshak, Bestbuy, Sears, Toys R us, Walmart etc.”
Fair enough, we’ll go ahead and take the second largest and most known retailer (besides Amazon) that you happened to have mentioned here, Walmart, as an example:
walmart.com/browse/ACCESSORIES/_/N-91ciZaq90ZaqceZ1z0gls9/Ne-aq7g?ic=48_0&ref=125866.421650+500524.4293873225&waRef=125866.421650+500524.4293873225&catNavId=482412
As you can see, the wireless network adapter is $76.96, not “$100″, and even the upgraded N adapter is $79, only $3 more.
The play and charge kit with wireless controller is $55 not “$65″.
The wireless headset is $47, not “$60″.
The 60GB hard drive bundle with 3 months of Gold and a headset is $90 not “$100″.
The 120GB hard drive is $135 not “$150″.
Walmart is a “retail store btw”.
MSRP means nothing to the consumer if major retailers online and in stores sell the product at significantly lower prices that match or beat competitor products.
Any retailer, like GameStop, that keeps prices at MSRP over time will lose sales to those that lower them. Yes, GameStop is notorious for ripping consumers off, and still does not offer the Elite Holiday Bundle at $299 because they are too busy ripping off people for the standalone at the same price. So yes, “uhhmm I” “think so”.
And why the hell would one even care about MSRP on an accessory for a console they do not even own? Especially when they can get the product at a significantly lower price from major retailers worldwide?
“lol it is just showing how far you”"are willing to go.”
November 22nd, 2009
First things first…
CAD, I happen to live in the USA. And I agree that the US is a sick place full of the most ignorant, evil, and fat ass people you could ever meet!! Now not every American (as myself) fit that category but a majority of America does. The term “justice” is oblivion here in America. The so called “Economic Crisis” has happened and YET no one has payed the penalty for it….except us tax payers…And that’s absolute buowl shit!!
Now on the flipside,
I agree with Microsoft banning all of those idiots. You didn’t make the console so you have no right to modify or change it!! If it were YOU’RE product and YOU’RE OWN design, then fine make your own rules. But stealing is the wrong way to do things.
And anyone who placed a banned 360 on Craigslist should have their fucken balls chopped off and sent to a deserted island filled with tarantulas. Fucken assholes….they deserve to rot in prison for their crimes! PIRACY IS A CRIME!!!
To Ivan,
Shame on you. Microsoft should track down your ip address and file a lawsuit against you for your piracy as well. You know it’s idiots like you that ruin the fun of gaming. When someone hacks a console just to cheat or win, it ruins the fun for everyone else.
And if hacking or piracy is what you like to do then build YOUR OWN DAMN CONSOLE JACKASS!!! Stop stealing off of other people’s stuff!
November 22nd, 2009
Like I said before, it’s their console…..their rules. They can do whatever the fuck they want with it. If I were Microsoft I would start banning idiots like Ivan who are making illegal profits off of their console.
November 22nd, 2009
LMFAO
November 22nd, 2009
MSRP is wat count.. and btw those “walmart prices” are online only prices…. look at bit further and you can see where it clearly says “Prices in Store May Vary”
dont try to change MSRP because its not going to fall.
the PSP GO MSRP is $250. but of course yo can find for $199 if you really want to dig for it.
November 22nd, 2009
I don’t have a problem with MS banning the machines from live services. I don’t have a problem with people modding their Xboxes, just as I don’t care if someone chips their turbo deisel truck to raise boost and horsepower, or giant offroad tires to leave the road in safety.
Modding an Xbox for whatever reason is a different legal matter than playing pirated games. That this ban may include 360s that never played a pirated game kind of bothers me, but a banned 360 still plays games offline, right?
To use the car analogy just a little bit more, vehicles modified beyond the legal limits are illegal to drive on road. You can use it offroad all you want, and as long as it doesn’t touch a legal roadway, and you have permission to use the private property, there are no laws being broken.
MS has denied the use of it’s private property by modified 360s. You still own your modified console, and can use it, just not on MS’s network.
Nothing to see here, really.
November 22nd, 2009
Roca, MSRP doesn’t matter to the consumer when prices have been widely and significantly discounted from it. What they actually wind up paying for a product does matter, and it doesn’t take any “digging” to find a significantly lower price than MSRP for most products, only a couple of seconds. In store prices “may vary” does not mean “will vary” and for the most part the prices are the same and even lower (“variance” there) in Wal-Mart stores.
November 23rd, 2009
@Carlb,
“It’s been well known since launch that not only will non-oem hard drives void your warranty but are also not authorized for use with XBL due to piracy, hacking, and cheating issues. Not only is it stated in the owner’s manual, but also online and the user’s agreement. Surprising no one caught this before filing a class action lawsuit.”
Yes, going out and purchasing a 300GB Western Digital hard drive and using it on your Xbox 360 will void your warranty. You must use a Microsoft branded Xbox 360 hard drive.
Making sure you guys realize its not all piraters who are getting banned. People just upgrading their harddrives to non-Msft hard drives who have not pirated at all have gotten banned. Surprising you didn’t realize I was making a clear distinction between this and piracy.
November 23rd, 2009
@carlb
What are u trying to prove ?? Do u think roca will agree to it, i mean, i maybe a new guy arnd here, but i have noticed ppl like roca usually just argue for the sake of arguing.. The moment he doesn’t have anything substantial to add to the debate/argument
1). He will either change the topic..
2). Take cheap shots at any other feature/games of the console..
3) Or he will just ignore it and start a new flame-baiting argument..
He ain’t gonna agree to common sense..
November 23rd, 2009
@Mike,
Yes, modding the hardware, to include replacement of the hard drive will void your warranty and is a clear violation of the user’s agreement. There is a clear statement within the included documentation, online, and the user’s agreement. If somebody decides to go ahead and mod the hardware, not only do they know this is at their own risk, they also know this ahead of time, and have been duly warned for four years. Is it as simple as hooking up your “300GB Western Digital hard drive” via USB? No. One must go out of their way to continue on that path, not only modding hardware but firmware as well, and after seeing warnings.
Make sure you realize it is not all piraters, but also hackers, cheaters, and those who take it upon themselves to break the user’s agreement who are being banned. Surprising you haven’t realized this yet, considering how much you have written about cheaters and hackers on 360. One of the very first steps most take on this path, that can be recognized by XBL, and is clearly forbidden in the user’s agreement, is a non-OEM hard drive.
November 23rd, 2009
Mike
You can’t just go out and shove a 300gb hard drive into your Xbox – not unless you mod the unit, it’s software restricted to 120gb (although this has just been raised to 250gb thanks to the new Super Elite).
So, anyone putting a 300gb drive in must have significantly ‘hacked’ the Xbox.
You can however fit the exact same Western Digital 120gb unit as Microsoft themselves use in the 120gb Elite yourself and there are no reports of anyone being banned for doing so.
In fact I have seen a report that the 250gb unit for making your own Super Elite has been identified.
This is not a ‘hack’ in the usual sense, merely sourcing the same thing as Microsoft use and installing it yourself.
November 23rd, 2009
I think Mike has a point. the PS3 lets you upgrade your HDD up “whatever GB is avaiable for a 2.5″ internal HDD”. you own the system why not give you the “freedon” of at least upgrade you HDD. the 360 just now is getting decent space on HDDs but ppl were stuck with 512MB memory cards, 20GB and 60GB HDDs, you can understand why ppl will want to upgrade. there is no reason they should get banned for this.
imagine if all PC started doing the same and banning ppl for upgreading the original specs
November 23rd, 2009
Toshi: “@carlb
What are u trying to prove ??”
uhmm he is trying to prove you can always find products at a cheaper price. but that doesnt change the MSRP price (the official price from the manufactorer)
November 23rd, 2009
Roca, that wasn’t Mike’s point, in fact he never mentioned PS3 here, you did. Mike’s point is that “innocent consumers” should not be banned for using a non-OEM hard drive. The bottom line is people cannot just plug in the hard drive, they have to mess with system hardware and software itself before doing it, voiding the warranty and breaking the user agreement.
November 23rd, 2009
Roca
People have never just been “stuck with 512MB memory cards, 20GB and 60GB HDDs”.
Contrary to the impression you obviously want to give Xbox owners have always been able to plug in an external hard drive for their pics, music and movies.
The hard drive, & memory card for that matter, have always been about the games.
Used for game saves and loading games to hard drive the 120gb (now 250gb) limit is not the big deal you’d so obviously love it to be.
Better luck trolling next time shill.
November 23rd, 2009
voiding the warranty is ok, I understand that. but being banned from a service they paid for just because “they wanted more memory” to install their 360 games, download more XBL game or download moves/etc its just not fair.
being able to upgrade your HDD w/o voiding your warranty is one the PS3 selling points. I’m against piracy but everybody should be able to upgrade HDD.
“imagine if all PC started doing the same and banning ppl for upgreading the original specs” <– see my point
November 23rd, 2009
“The hard drive, & memory card for that matter, have always been about the games.”
and what is the 360??? a gaming system where you can install game (which takes a couple of gigs), downlead patches (couple of hundreds MB), download games, download DLC, download Demos and System updates
November 23rd, 2009
Roca
The only way to increase the Xbox hard drive capacity beyond the limit offered is to hack the console’s software.
Nobody’s ever going to say that’s ok.
It’s also nothing like the same as installing a new hard on your PC.
We have always been free to upgrade using the exact make & model of hard drive as is the limit at any one time.
You’re just doing your usual, trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
My point about gaming is that anyone with an external hard drive can use that for their pics, music & movies and use the Xbox drive only for games. It’s not exactly hard to see.
When 20gb was the biggest Xbox drive we did not have the facility to save to hard drive.
Those that have a 20gb unit now can save to hard drive but obviously they must watch their space remaining.
I doubt too many can honestly say that the 60gb or 120gb is too small to work with.
Personally I’m going for the 250gb for the convenience, it has nothing to do with need.
November 23rd, 2009
Happy,
since you know alot about the 360 let me ask you, how many gigs you have avaialble on a 360 using a 20GB HDD?
but anyways..if you think being restricted to w.e MS limits you is ok. then fine im not going to go against it.
November 23rd, 2009
“Toshi: “@carlb
What are u trying to prove ??”
uhmm he is trying to prove you can always find products at a cheaper price. but that doesnt change the MSRP price (the official price from the manufactorer)”
@roca
I m glad u proved me right..
November 23rd, 2009
Roca
Seeing as I have never owned a 20gb Xbox I don’t know….I’d guess at about 16gbs being available.
So what?
Are you also slamming the launch 20gb PS3 as useless.
Was the 40gb one cr@p too?
(can’t wait to see the wriggling on that one)
As for sizing limits?
You would just love people to be complaining about the previous 120gb limit and now the 250gb limit.
Sadly for you most don’t because the ability to use an external hard drive of any size for pics, music and movies robs you of any serious complaint.
November 23rd, 2009
@ Toshi.
im glad you prove nothing and MRSP price still remain the same
November 23rd, 2009
@Happy
so you didnt buy the 360 at launch?
November 23rd, 2009
Roca
No.
What sort of idiot buys anything like that on launch?
The 2 exceptions would be that you are totally minted or you are so enamoured that you just don’t care if things flop or not.
IMO you’ve got to be a bit of a fool to be a day 1 early adopter buying the very 1st wave of goods before any reliability track record has been established.
I think I’ve been clear all the way through that I waited to see prices fall (heavily), Xbox establish its enormous game catalogue and sort out the initial reliability issues.
My 1st Xbox was a Falcon 60gb for about a year
(which I eBayed and got most of my money back on)
followed by a Falcon 120gb Elite
(which will be eBayed as soon as I’ve done the data transfer once my Jasper 250gb super Elite arrives and I’ll get more than my money back on it seeing as I got it for a song…..just a touch more than an Arcade in fact).
I’ll have had that for about 1yr by the time it goes.
November 23rd, 2009
…..so I take it you’ve given up trying to slag-off the 20gb Xbox now I’ve mentioned the original 20gb PS3 and the later 40gb one, huh?
November 23rd, 2009
“What sort of idiot buys anything like that on launch?”
Well, I did, but then again it worked fine for me for several years, as did the 20GB. Of course I don’t play 4 games at the same time either, so I never really had a problem with it and it worked well for me. Yes, the hard drive restrictions are slightly annoying, but to me it never really (and still is not)was a selling point for the PS3 I bought just recently. Why? Well, because I find 120GB is more than enough to play games on, whether it is 360/PS3.
If either drive ever gets full I simply delete content on it. Once I’m finished with a game I never go back to it. If I did get full and I did go back to a game I would just take a few minutes to reinstall. HD movies would be more annoying on the 360 if they were not instant on like they are now (not that I download that many movies anyway, they are overpriced on both systems), but it is a non issue because of that feature. Besides, I watch most movies/shows through Netflix HD streaming or disc anyway.
Why is it that those who do not own the console are constantly, incessantly complaining about it here?
November 23rd, 2009
LOL Carlb, I know that would catch a few with that comment.
No offense intended.
Seriously?
You bought a day 1 Xbox?
Wow, way to splash the cash my friend.
November 23rd, 2009
It was worth it to me, and I had a blast with Call of Duty 2 that first day, not to mention the other great games that came out on 360 for an entire year before PS3 released.
November 23rd, 2009
I bought a launch 60gb, but it was been sold long ago (beginning of recession my wife and decided to bad some cash, so sold the 60gb and the LCD it was hooked up to, haven’t gotten the desire to replace them yet, heh), I am using my motorstorm bundle SWBC 80gb model. The 60gb was sold to a friend, who plays about 6hr a day, and it has been trouble free so far. I lost about $300 selling it (400, was launched at 700 in canada) but I managed to break even on the TV, so wasn’t too hurt by it, that 300 dollars was like a 2 year rental fee, heh.
My wife and I are not rich by any means, but we dedicate ourselves to saving up for stuff we really want. We don’t use credit at all (literally, a zero credit lifestyle) so the 60gb + 42″ 1080p LCD was a long save up process that we started pretty much as soon as we heard about the PS3. Don’t lump the dedicated with the rich. A wealthy person can buy something like that on a whim, sure, but the rest of us have ways of obtaining the things we really want.
November 23rd, 2009
JofaMang
“2 exceptions would be that you are totally minted or you are so enamoured….”
I think I covered it there.
Personally I like to be in the position to buy whatever I like but just be very choosy about it and wait and see how things develop for a while before jumping in.
November 23rd, 2009
“FOR 360 OWNERS ONLY”
Games to look out for in 2010 ON xbox 360.. The list isn’t complete deadly prenominition is also coming i 2010 + rumored mistwalker game etc etc
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=90812
November 23rd, 2009
“What sort of idiot buys anything like that on launch?
The 2 exceptions would be that you are totally minted or you are so enamoured that you just don’t care if things flop or not.
IMO you’ve got to be a bit of a fool to be a day 1 early adopter buying the very 1st wave of goods before any reliability track record has been established.”
@Happy
Even i bought my 360 elite in dec 2007..
November 23rd, 2009
Happy is so good at argueing, he even alienates his own team! Go HH, troll of the year!
November 23rd, 2009
@CarlB,
“Surprising you haven’t realized this yet, considering how much you have written about cheaters and hackers on 360. One of the very first steps most take on this path, that can be recognized by XBL, and is clearly forbidden in the user’s agreement, is a non-OEM hard drive.”
Not sure what you are arguing Carl, surprising you seem to have difficulty understanding/comprehending the reason I brought up the comment.
I made a clarification that those banned are not limited to just piraters as it was being discussed earlier on in the thread but also to those that have modified their harddrives.
No need to build a strawman argument here, I am not saying modding a harddrive is fine or that it doesn’t lead to pirating.
If you are trying to argue with me that modification or piracy is wrong you are preaching to the choir. Hope that is crystal clear.
@Happy,
Again, not sure why you are trying to convince me modding your harddrive won’t void the warranty as this is something I clearly state and realize. I was clarifying the earlier comments in this thread that its just not piraters.
November 23rd, 2009
I bought my PS3 60GB 1st day, and it still works like a charm (its using a 500GB HDD now) and it paid of.
there is nothing wrong with buying a console the first day unless your short on money and want to wait for a price cut.
November 23rd, 2009
Mike
I think you misunderstood.
It is implied (if not actually stated) that altering your Xbox hard drive voids your warranty and renders one liable to be banned.
That’s true in theory.
However.
If you stick to the hard drive make and model Microsoft uses then you will not be banned.
It is a mod but only ‘kind of’.
You do have to use a minor bit of software but that is not hacking the Xbox itself, just prepping the hard drive to use Xbox firmware.
Anyone who uses a hard drive not of the size & exact type Xbox uses must have seriously hacked the main unit for it to work and recognise the type & its size.
I have never heard of a rash of Xbox owners doing the ‘correct’ upgrade as a DIY installation being banned.
November 24th, 2009
@Happy,
I don’t care about the logistics, I was trying to clarify that the ban is not limited to those that pirated games per earlier comments. Thats all, nothing more and nothing less.
November 24th, 2009
@Mike,
No argument just a discussion. Perhaps I do have trouble “comprehending” your comment about “innocent consumers” who happen to make extra effort to not only alter the hardware methodically, but also the software, in order to upgrade a hard drive after they have been thoroughly warned by clear statements in documentation and the user agreement for XBL that it is not authorized.
Is your point actually that there are modder’s who had no idea that by altering not only the hardware that they purchased, but also the firmware that came with it, had no idea that this might cause difficulty in connecting to XBL? I find this hard to believe.
Again, I agree completely that the action taken was not only for piraters, but also hackers and cheaters. Nothing more and nothing less.
November 24th, 2009
@CarlB,
lol, what are you talking about man? Never do I state that “innocent consumers” are those who mod or alter their hard drives. Reread my comments.
Your assuming things here Carl, building them strawman arguments.
Did I just blow your mind?
November 24th, 2009
“Happy is so good at argueing, he even alienates his own team! Go HH, troll of the year!”
@Jofa
Actually i agreed with Happy, i bought my 360, two years after it was launched..
November 24th, 2009
i meant to say i bought my elite in december 2007, two years afetr it was launched..
November 24th, 2009
Mike
Well ok, but I think anyone who significantly hacks the firmware on the Xbox takes what’s coming to them, if Microsoft decide to go after them.
The level of firmware hacking necessary to enable any hard drive to be used (as opposed to the example I gave of just using the exact make & type they already use themselves) goes way beyond anything any regular person would be into.
If you can’t stand the heat and all that.
November 24th, 2009
LOL
Cheers Toshi.
Better luck next time JofaMang/Roca.
(what’s going on, the supportive double-act has switched in recent days)
November 24th, 2009
@Mike,
lol… no. Reread my comments, we were talking about those who “modify” the 360 by replacing the included hard drive or 360 authorized hard drive (these drives require no modifications to the 360 hardware and or software/firmware) with non-OEM hard drives (these drives require modifications to the 360 hardware and or software/firmware).
“Mike Ferro: November 23rd, 2009 @Saber, I detest frivolous suits myself, but you do raise a good point – thorough investigations do need to happen so that innocent consumers who have been unjustly banned do get a fair representation. Now thats the American way.”
The point is that someone is not “innocent” who breaks the user’s agreement, voids the warranty (and as such any guarantee of it working on XBL), and deliberately seeks out ways to skirt the existing hardware/firmware to get what they want. In this case, we are talking about non-OEM hard drives (modded, altered, or standard) which takes the above said efforts in order to install. These users are justly banned and have been duly warned for years.
This is nothing that has not been know since launch four years ago, no “strawman” here.
November 24th, 2009
If you are talking about people who have done nothing at all to the 360 they have purchased, and did not violate any terms of the XBL user’s agreement, there is already an existing support system in place to get these people back on line expeditiously. No suing is necessary.
November 24th, 2009
““Happy is so good at argueing, he even alienates his own team! Go HH, troll of the year!”
@Jofa
Actually i agreed with Happy, i bought my 360, two years after it was launched..
”
@ Toshi/Happy
CarlB bought his 360 at launch. and he doesnt think it was a bad a idea. hes got to play games earlier than most of you and he also played those sleeper launch titles. was it worth it carlB? (I believed so) but Happy seems to think other wise
November 24th, 2009
Roca
Yeah, imagine that.
Carlb & I get along even though we disagree.
Nobody had to fall out or resort to abuse.
Think about it.
November 24th, 2009
Im just saying if you think buying a product the first day it comes out is a bad investment..then thats you OWN PERSONAL OPINION.
ppl like CarlB, Jofa and I think otherwise. but at the end it all come down to PERSONAL OPINIONs
November 24th, 2009
Roca
Well d’uh.
When or where did I ever say an opinion of mine was more than that, huh?
November 24th, 2009
Well, in your opinion, was an insult to those who don’t hold the same viewpoint. Thus, your opinion was more than just that, it was also an attack on those who don’t agree. That is not opinion at all, that is a trolling attack disguised as an opinion. Par for the course.
November 24th, 2009
all his comments came back to hunt him today
its getting to the point where its not funny anymore but rather sad
November 24th, 2009
Awww look at roca & JofaMnag hugging each other for support & comfort.
Well done, you’ve reached new heights in the ‘acting like a d!ck’ class of performance today.
Good for you both, you must be proud.
Hey, why not say some more dumb sh!te so you can each agree with the other some more, it bors the sh!te out of everyone else but it must be great for you 2 seeing as you’ve spent all day at it.
November 24th, 2009
Happy: “Cheers Toshi”
speaking about hugging and supporting each other.
and thanks we did a good job making you and all your rants (and sidekicks like Kev) look like real DICKS!
it must hurt to know you have become a joke. but hey cant complain…you make my day go even faster, you and kev are good at that
November 24th, 2009
Look, another HH post without any substance and loads of hate. Dude, you just proved my point. Go away wee bitch, you are outclassed.
November 24th, 2009
“CarlB bought his 360 at launch. and he doesnt think it was a bad a idea. hes got to play games earlier than most of you and he also played those sleeper launch titles. was it worth it carlB? (I believed so) but Happy seems to think other wise”
I got my 360 in 2007, bought most of those launch titles @half price.. lol
November 24th, 2009
GameFly is the way to go.
November 24th, 2009
“it must hurt to know you have become a joke. but hey cant complain…you make my day go even faster, you and kev are good at that”
@roca
Well i actually advised them to stop indulging in pointless arguments with u, but they dont listen..
anyways ur double act will jofa hardly points out any facts, but rather added name calling and insults.. Its like u having more influence on jofa than jofa having an influence on u, coz u still argue for the sake of arguing
November 24th, 2009
“I got my 360 in 2007, bought most of those launch titles @half price.. lol”
what what did you do from 2005 to 2007?…..are you guys HH/Toshi really going to argue about when to buy a electronic product? come on get real.
November 24th, 2009
With jofa*
November 24th, 2009
actually Toshi the only intruder here is you, you dont have any gaming/tech knowledge what so ever.
but you are good at attacking PS3 users and and backing up somebody else’s comments (pathethic). ohh..almost forgot you awesome a copying and pasting shit from all over the web. get a real argument on your own then you can start talking all the shit you want.
November 24th, 2009
your triple act with Kev/HH/and your self is looking more pathethic than ever. no valid arguments…just pure rantssss
November 24th, 2009
“GameFly is the way to go”
Ya carlb, it sucks that we dont have any game rentals here in India
“what what did you do from 2005 to 2007″
I was not that much of a gamer b4 that.. I owned a NES and sega, way back in 93-94, played a lot of contra, double dragon, Super mario bros 3 (my favourite at that time, still is to some extent), streets of rage, shinobi etc..
after that moved on, though i usued to play some games on my pc (occasionally) like The Longest Journey, Dreamfall, Cricket, Still life..
November 24th, 2009
“just pure rantssss”
what rants ??
November 24th, 2009
JofaMang
As drearily tedious as is sadly your usual ’standard’ at the mo.
Pity you have yet to realise that self praise is no real praise at all.
You’ve been pitiable today.
You’re clearly desperate to try & argue but it must really suck when nobody’s prepared to play your boring little games.
Awww.
Sorry you found yourself out of your depth.
Nevermind Roca (and I’d imagine Ivan & phranc) think you’re great.
I bet that makes you all warm and gooey.
LMAO
November 24th, 2009
Well at least everyone can stand happy in the knowledge that if that f*ckwit Roca says you’re not knowledgeable enough about stuff you know you’re alright!
November 24th, 2009
“actually Toshi the only intruder here is you, you dont have any gaming/tech knowledge what so ever”
@roca
LOl.. what intruder ?? i dont back ppl up, i ll only comment if i agree or disagree with someone..
“ohh..almost forgot you awesome a copying and pasting shit from all over the web. get a real argument on your own then you can start talking all the shit you want”..
Oh, but u n ivan used to post links to news most of the time, even when i was not a member of blorge..
“backing up somebody else’s comments (pathethic)..”
Actually i only comment if i agree or disagree with someone, i m not like u, who likes to gang up on ppl, instead of adding to the argument, u start making fun of ppl, making the argument pointless
remember this quote
“Go get’em jofa”
who’s backing up whom (pathetic)
November 24th, 2009
“you dont have any gaming/tech knowledge what so ever.”
what knowledge do i need to have..
November 24th, 2009
when i see u pointing out “April Ryan – The Longest Journey” as an unknown character.. i feel for u, coz u claim to be a gamer for decades and still didnt knew/feel the need to research a bit abt the character i was referring to..
November 24th, 2009
@HappyHater
**JofaMang
As drearily tedious as is sadly your usual ’standard’ at the mo.
Pity you have yet to realise that self praise is no real praise at all.
You’ve been pitiable today.
You’re clearly desperate to try & argue but it must really suck when nobody’s prepared to play your boring little games.
Awww.
Sorry you found yourself out of your depth.
Nevermind Roca (and I’d imagine Ivan & phranc) think you’re great.
I bet that makes you all warm and gooey.
LMAO**
Can you please identify the part of that quote where you actual enter the discussion, other than to be a bitch troll Xbot?
Yeah, carry on wittle bitch.
November 24th, 2009
JofaMang
Hilarious, look pal I’ll make it plain cos you’re obviously too thick to take the hint.
You’re not getting any more debate from me. K?
You chose to join the ranks of the Roca, Ivan and phranctoast.
A target for occasional quips & much pi$$-taking is all you are here as far as I am concerned.
Too bad, you made your bed enjoy saddo.
November 25th, 2009
@Carlb,
Seems like you now realize my point- about time there.
November 25th, 2009
I wasn’t aware there were any people who had done nothing to their 360’s at all or who had not broken the user’s agreement who were permanently banned from XBL Mike, sorry. Could you link to where this happened, or where the law firm is investigating these cases in particular, not the hard drive cases? Thanks.
November 25th, 2009
Congrats CAD, here is your second FTotT (sorry these may not be in chronological order) for the comment, “What a joke the USA is sometimes. Sorry to say this but sometimes I think the USA may have the stupidest people in all the world.” Over generalization (though you may be right, who knows
).