PS3 smoothing beyond that of high-end PC graphics card

January 5, 2010

PS3 smoothing beyond that of high-end PC graphics card The PS3 is truly an amazing piece of hardware that is surprising everyone as time passes. Digital Foundry recently conducted an interesting analysis on the tech used in the game Saboteur, which revealed that the PS3 is capable of producing something even a high-end PC graphics card has difficulty with.

As a software developer by trade, new and intriguing tech has always been like crack to me. I recall the mystery and awe when hyper-threading was first introduced and one of our major clients requested that we upgrade our latest version of the software to take advantage of HT.

In a similar vein, the Cell processor is cutting edge stuff. The Cell in conjunction with the GPU is capable of squeezing out 2.0 trillion  floating point operations per second on the fly, which is super-computer worthy and out performs the Xbox 360’s 355 billion floating operation points/second. This is the type of tech running on the latest IBM Blades residing in our maximum security data centers near DC.

Digital Foundry recently did an analysis showing that the post-processing tech, once thought to be MSAA, on the PS3 apparently is far more advanced than anything seen. Anti-aliasing or edge smoothing has always been a challenge even on the PC front.

The Xbox 360 can do up to 4x MSAA via the built in graphics card. However, the PS3 has an NVIDIA card which really doesn’t do much in the post-processing department as it was initially intended to be left off the console. The Cell processor was originally supposed to handle all graphics processing, but due to concerns that it would be difficult for the developers to program on, a decision was made to incorporate a limited graphics card.

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However, Sony’s intent was for the developers to utilize the Cell processors eventually leaning off the graphics card crutch. We have seen developers like Naughty Dog who have mostly moved off the graphics card in the PS3 and are now utilizing the SPUs fully in the Cell processor as seen in Uncharted 2. According to DF, the developers for Saboteur also utilized one of the SPUs to do the post-processing work resulting in edge-smoothing beyond the capabilities of a 16x MSAA found on high-end PC graphics card.

The PS3 rendition of Pandemic’s The Saboteur is different though. It’s special. It’s trying something new that’s never been seen before on console, or indeed PC, and its results are terrific. In a best-case scenario you get edge-smoothing that is beyond the effect of 16x multi-sampling anti-aliasing, effectively delivering an effect better than the capabilities of high-end GPUs without crippling performance. Compare and contrast with Xbox 360 hardware, which tops out at 4x MSAA.

Note: DF made a correction, there are a few titles that have tried this but not to the level of success Pandemic has had.

With only a few studios attempting this tech, it will be interesting to see more developers relying on the Cell processor in the future.

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203 Responses to “PS3 smoothing beyond that of high-end PC graphics card”

  1. oldschool1987:

    Uh oh, you opened up a can of worms here with this article.

    Both sides of this silly fanboy war will commence fighting.

  2. Zoar:

    Thanks for the news, Mike Ferro. it’s nice to know there’s still more life in the old PS3, after Killzone 2.

    Crytek said that there was no more power to get out of the PS3, which made me a bit sad.

    but I’m still waiting for more news on the PS4. ;p

  3. gunstar:

    Theres alot of factors making developers and publishers ride the PS3 bandwagon now.
    Most notably are new development tools made available by its smart developers to tap its potential & its effecient anti-piracy strategy.
    News like this gives me a hint about Kazuo’s “the PS3 was intentionally hard to develop for” mumbo jumbo.
    Lack of good anti-aliasing was a turned me off the PS2 but now Uncharted 2 on PS3 is pure anti-aliasing fest to the point that sometimes the game looks too soft on the eyes.
    When I first laid eyes on U2 I was awestruck by the scale and detail but I had this feeling that its not the best PS3 can offer – in terms of graphics U2 can still by topped.

  4. Andrew_DS:

    “The PS3 is truly an amazing piece of hardware that is surprising everyone as time passes”

    Jeez Mike say “Hello” to Ivan while your spending a bit of time up sony’s ass.

    The only thing that amazes me is that it has catastrophically failed to meet expectations and let the whole playstation brand down by not continuing its domination of the console market. Its the fuck ugly inbred cousin of the ps2 that the whole playstation family wish hadn’t come to visit.

    All this tech spec is a load of crap. If it really mattered to the gaming world everyone would have top end PCs and the Wii would not have sold at all. And all this power is no good if its gonna take 5 years of dev work to get it unleashed. And we all know in this game, 5 years means everything moves on a generation.

    I mean 2 terra flops (thought it was originally 3 mind). Who gives a damn. Does anybody play a game thinking ‘Oh, I wonder how many polygons make up this character?’. IF the answer is ‘Yes’ then shame on you. Shame…..

  5. phranctoast:

    I take graphical criticism from a wii fanboy with a grain of salt.

  6. Andrew_DS:

    Ah you misunderstand me Phranctoast. I am not being critical of the ps3′s graphical ability. I acknowledge that the Wii is poor graphically(odd exception like RE4) and the ps3 is the best performer of this generation.

    The point I am trying to make is that numbers are meaningless. Who cares about terra flopps and graphics ram and blu ray storage. Its the game at the end of the day that matters.

    Now I admit I am not the biggest fan of the ps3 in the world. No , no I can admit it. But I am not exactly in bed with Microsoft either. But all this number talk doesn’t change the fact that most people at first glance will not see a tangible difference in the performance of the X360 and the ps3 that reflects the huge numbers being touted about.

    I have no doubt that with a bit of time and effort the difference will become more apparent, but with the life cycle of console running at about 5-6 years ( bear in maind the ps3 already 3 years into that, the 360 4), time is running out to harness the power of it before the next gen is upon us.

    The Wii and the ps2 are getting games developed concurrently as they are similar spec. The Wii has more graphic ability than the ps2 but I put money on the games look similar because of lazy development. This mirrors joint developed games for the ps3 and the 360. SW houses like EA are not going to pump loads of resources into making the ps3 version of a game take advantage of those extra, difficult to get to, terra flops. Hell even 1st and 2nd party devs will struggle to get the most from the ps3.

    Anyhoo I ramble on. If anyone read that then thanks, but remember thats 40 seconds of your life you wont get back.

    44 seconds if you read that last bit too.

  7. phranctoast:

    A lot better than the first post and there’s not to much to dispute.

    You bring up a good point, and leads to the discussion of benefits of competition vs no competition.

    Without the 360′s existence the PS3 would see:
    -better graphical games as the developers could keep one system in mind from the get go.
    -Games that utilized the benefits of the cell and depended less on the gpu.

    With the 360′s existence:
    -there would be no trophies on ps3
    -PSN might not exist (definitely not exist as we know it today)

  8. phranctoast:

    @Andrew
    I’m interested in your take of my opinion from the Sega/Wii story.

  9. ncaissie:

    @Andrew
    “If it really mattered to the gaming world everyone would have top end PCs and the Wii would not have sold at all.”

    LOL you are a f@#kin retard. Go play bumdarts with your boyfriend. The wii sells well because of one thing. It’s a cheap pos. That was the only reason I got one. Oh, and it was simple to mod.

    The PS3 was slow to start for one reason, its price. Plain and simple, only people with money could afford one without taking out a loan.
    Once the devs get the hang of the hardware we are going to see more impressive games. ND proved that with U2.

  10. ncaissie:

    Games have NOTHING to do with the wii sales because there are no good games on the wii. It was cheap and a fad. The controls suck.

  11. Saber_HAHAha:

    As much as any fanboy wants to spin it, the Cell is a powerhouse. It’s current usage can be criticized, but remember that we’ve already seen games that use the Cell’s potential. And those games look magnificent.

    Cell
    or
    Something a little simpler

    I’d take the Cell, thank you…

  12. CAD:

    Well I have to agree with Andrew all the tech talk really means nothing when the PS3 to most developers is a pain in the ass to make games for. It’s not like it’s miles ahead of anything out there. Most games still look better on the 360 and the ones PS3 fanboys spout off as graphicaly awesome, I really don’t see what the big deal is. I just think it’s the first time they have seen something so great especially those who came straight from a PS2. It really can’t be that great since the PS4 will be ditching the Cell altogether. 3-5 Year game development is just crazy and I’m glad the 360 is able to pump out games that look awesome and are fun to play on a consistent basis since day 1.

  13. ncaissie:

    “Most games still look better on the 360″

    That’s because the devs are to lazy to get with the times and they will suffer in the end. I work software development and know first hand you need to keep up with the technology or sink.

    I hope all the 3rd party studios go bankrupt if they don’t keep up.

  14. ncaissie:

    “Well I have to agree with Andrew all the tech talk really means nothing”

    There’s a real shocker! CarlB and HH will agree with you also. I’m psychic!

  15. phranctoast:

    @CAD.

    Sorry to rain on your parade but you’re wrong.

    “3-5 Year game development is just crazy and I’m glad the 360 is able to pump out games that look awesome and are fun to play on a consistent basis since day 1.”

    Theres seems to still be some of the games that were announced 5 years ago not available on the 360. Alan Wake, Huxley, Splinter cell?

    I’m well aware of the launch games of the 360, and there really wasn’t anything to write home about. Quite frankly. Oblivion, Dead rising, Lost planet, Halo3,and Gears IMO were when the 360 started getting
    noticed.

    PS3 started the generation with a popular new IP with Resistance.

    360 launch:
    -Amped 3
    -Call of Duty 2
    -Condemned: Criminal Origins
    -Every Party
    -FIFA 06: Road to FIFA World Cup
    -Gun
    -Kameo: Elements of Power
    -Madden NFL 06
    -NBA 2K6
    -NBA Live 06
    -Need for Speed: Most Wanted
    -NHL 2K6
    -Perfect Dark Zero
    -Peter Jackson’s King Kong: Movie
    -Project Gotham Racing 3
    -Quake 4
    -Ridge Racer 6
    -Tetris: The Grandmaster ACE
    -Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06
    -Tony Hawk’s American Wasteland

    PS3 launch:
    -Resistance: Fall of Man
    -NBA 07
    -Genji: Days of the Blade
    -Blazing Angels Squadrons of WWII
    -Call of Duty 3
    -EA Sports Fight Night Round 3
    -The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
    -F.E.A.R.
    -Full Auto 2: Battlelines
    -Madden NFL 07
    -MARVEL: ULTIMATE ALLIANCE
    -Mobile Suit Gundam: CROSSFIRE
    -NBA 2K7
    -Need For Speed Carbon
    -NHL 2K7
    -RIDGE RACER 7
    -Sonic the Hedgehog
    -Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
    -Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Vegas
    -Tony Hawk’s Project 8
    -Untold Legends Dark Kingdom

  16. Andrew_DS:

    ncaissie – You make some interesting point, especially with the retard statement. But I have disagree. The Wii sold well because it done one thing better than any console to date. It grabbed the public’s imagination.

    And by public I don’t mean the narrow minded self proclaimed “hardcore” gamers who are frightend of/dismiss everything that it not at the cutting edge of graphics and requires something more than button stabbing to play.

    Thats why the Wii even with its price INCREASE still outsells the 360 and ps3. I actually think Ninty could have sold it for about 30% more than it has been and not affected the numbers at all.

    But thats not what I was saying. The point I was trying make was that when someone sits down (or stands up) to play a game, how many are thinking ‘oooh, this game would be better with a few more terra flops’? Or ‘this game is crap because the character is only made up of 50000 polygons instead of 100000′.

    Phranctoast – I have read your post on Seg. I find your point about shovel ware getting ported from the Wii to the ps3 interesting but would like to turn it on its head. It may actually increase quality in motion based games which could filter down to the Wii. Hopefully Dev teams will think about how to incorporate motion more suitably than just a waggle here or there. On Sega as a whole I will not miss them from the Wii. They are not one of the top dogs anymore. I wouldn’t put them up there with Konami, Capcom, Rockstar etc…

    CAD – You just summed up the last gen and this. The ps2 was so dominant because it had lots of games and in amongst them were some true classics. But it was the least powerful console of its time. This Gen you have the same situation happening. Like you say with the 360 since day 1. Whats the point of waiting for a anticipated game for years when you can play something great today? And when you finish that game there is another one waiting.

    But hey I am off to play bum darts? Or is it bumd arts…? with my boyfriend. Now, where is Ivan?

  17. ncaissie:

    “this game is crap because the character is only made up of 50000 polygons instead of 100000′.”

    I do it every time I see my kids playing the wii.
    Specially wii sports with no legs. It’s just stupid plain and simple.
    It’s just a shame that like you most of the people on this planet are lacking common sense.

  18. ncaissie:

    “But it was the least powerful console of its time.”

    Bull shit, the xbox came out way after the PS2 so which consol’s (beside the dreamcast) was better? the n64? LOL
    The dreamcast could have made it if Moore wasn’t so impatient and it was advertised more. The thing was almost cancelled before I even knew it existed.
    The PS2 was popular because it had a head start and more games (same thing as 360). Even though I still had 5 xboxes at one time and 2 PS3s right now. I still have 4 xboxes.

  19. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    anyone play mag yet? i like it lots more than killzone 2 resistance and any other fps exclusive but that just me…the ranking system is good, i like how u got multiple platoons, customize different characters for ur surroundings, and choose what style of fighter u are (raven, valor, s.e.v.e.r or somethin like that) must buy 4 me

  20. Andrew_DS:

    ncaissie no. Just no. Would Wii sports be any better if the Miis had legs? No.

    “But it was the least powerful console of its time.” ps2 Gamecube and Xbrick. I am right.

    “It’s just a shame that like you most of the people on this planet are lacking common sense.” Maybe most the people on this planet have the common sense to realize what what is more important! To have fun in the short time we are here, not count numbers!

    But its just plain obvious you have OCD when it comes to numbers. I mean look at your last post : 2, 64, 2 (again), 360, 5, 2 (you like that number), 3, and 4. I think we can all see the problem here, but first you need 2 admit you have a problem 2 yourself.

  21. ncaissie:

    I’m sorry if you don’t have fun playing PS3 games but I do.
    A lot more fun then playing Wiitard games.

  22. CAD:

    Phranctoast

    Trust me any game taking it sweet time on the 360 pales in comparison to PS3 Development time and there is plenty to fill the gap. Besides, Splinter Cell was scraped and started fresh as well as Too Human and I’m not sure about Allen Wake but really it’s lame to mention when that is far from the norm on the 360. Let me also mention that your PS3 Launch Titles were one of the worst ports on a console because no one knew how to program for it. There is also 1 exclusive in the lot and resistance looked like shit and like all PS3 FPS they never used the Triggers that were implemented on the Siaxis because the triggers were garbage. It turned me off so much I just could not play it. I have standards you know.

  23. phranctoast:

    @CAD
    “Trust me any game taking it sweet time on the 360 pales in comparison to PS3 Development time and there is plenty to fill the gap.”

    Apparently not as I just proved.

    “Let me also mention that your PS3 Launch Titles were one of the worst ports on a console because no one knew how to program for it.”

    Some of them were others were fine. I see your forgetting the travesty that was King Kong and Quake 4. Launch consoles generally have their issues but the ps3 launch was better than the 360 one. Magazines and websites thought so at least.

    “There is also 1 exclusive in the lot and resistance looked like shit and like all PS3 FPS they never used the Triggers that were implemented on the Siaxis because the triggers were garbage. It turned me off so much I just could not play it. I have standards you know.”

    Actually there were 5 exclusives there and not 1.

    Resistance did not look like shit.

    and the “triggers” as you call them are very rarely implemented as “triggers” anyway on the ps3 or ps2 for that matter.

    I’ve argued this before to no avail..
    Those triggers aren’t triggers on the ps3 at all. If anything they are good for acceleration with driving games.

    The LI R1 button acts as a better “trigger” IMO as you have to press the button less when firing which is better for accuracy when playing FPS games. Also the “triggers” as you call them (L2, R2) fall closer to your middles finger than index finger making them useless as a trigger anyway.

    I think your problem is you’re just used to the 360 layout. I have both controllers (360 for my PC) and I can tell you, other than the analog layout where your fingers can touch each other in the odd situation where your moving right yet looking left, there’s absolutely no problem with playing FPS games.

    The L1 and L2 for firing imo is a hell of a lot better than the 360′s “triggers”

  24. Ivan_PSP:

    PS3 is a beast. Thanks Mike love the article. Xbox 360 has nothing on PS3.

    OFF TOPIC:
    I got a second copy of UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves from FEDEX weird by mistake i think. I thought it was the 16 Memory Stick i order LoL.

    MAG is addicting this is my second beta the game is like crack pure mayhem a truly must have. I can’t wait to get it the 26th.

  25. CAD:

    Presure sensitive Triggers are far better IMO. Besides Phranctoast buttons have nothing to do with accuracy. Accuracy depends on how good you are with the two thumb sticks.

    “I’ve argued this before to no avail..
    Those triggers aren’t triggers on the ps3 at all. If anything they are good for acceleration with driving games.”

    Come on Phranctoast it’s obvious that Sony wanted to implement Triggers after the Xbox came out with it. It is a bad design and I’ve heard many reviewers say in the past that it is so. Why else did they make an attachement to improve the design.

    “ps3 launch was better than the 360 one. Magazines and websites thought so at least.”

    Sure it was!!! That’s why the PS3 is know as the system with no games. That plagued the PS3 until 2009.

  26. phranctoast:

    @CAD

    you obviously don’t understand what I mean.

    In a shooter, at what point when pressing the trigger on the 360 does the gun fire?

    I’ll get back to this after I get home from work and you answer my question. gotta catch a train.

    “Sure it was!!! That’s why the PS3 is know as the system with no games. That plagued the PS3 until 2009.”

    You really showed your stupidity there.

  27. CAD:

    Really I don’t know the answer to that question but I do know you don’t have to squeeze it all the way to get a reaction. This is why the Trigger is Presure sensitive. The 360 controller has been praised by many and the only issue that is ever pointed out is the D-Pad. The controller sits so comfortably in your hands and everything is well positioned. If the compitition between PS3 and 360 people in Battlefied 1943 say anything the 360 crowd won the 2nd day. I guess your R1 didn’t workout for you.

  28. Roca.:

    its funny how Phranc knows more about the 360 than CAD

  29. Liquid:

    CAD

    shut up the fuck up like, get a life man. who cares, it was 2006,launch games arent great but resistance and motorstorm were class, btw how would you know if dare crap or not? you dont own a ps3! and now we got tons more exclusives so quit whining like a little bitch. do you sleep better at night when you “try” and make fun of the ps3?

  30. Liquid:

    *shut the fuck up like*

  31. Roca.:

    speaking about Smoothing and AA on the PS3

    here is a good sample of good AA work if Devs take their time.

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-saboteur-aa-blog-entry

  32. CAD:

    “That’s because the devs are to lazy to get with the times and they will suffer in the end.”

    ncaissie

    Here is a question. Are the Developers Lazy or was Sony not listening?

    I remember Microsoft saying that prior to launching the 360 they had a meeting with developers and ask them what they wanted. I call that a compnay that listens. Sony on the other hand does not seem to listen to it’s customer and does whatever it wants. Even their interanl departments don’t work with each other but Stringer is working on that. Do you remembr when a branch of Sony was giving away the 360 as a prize. Yes a hugh LOL moment. Sony is one arrogant company.

  33. CAD:

    Oh yes Motorstorm with it’s 2D bushes. I heard those same bushes showed up in GT5. LOL

  34. CAD:

    “do you sleep better at night when you “try” and make fun of the ps3?”

    Actually Yes I do. LOL

  35. phranctoast:

    Just when I thought CAD couldn’t say something dumber than the no games until 2009, he vomits the bullshit about bf1943.

    You do realize ps3 and 360 players weren’t playing each other right? It was the first to reach 40 million kills and logic would suggest that the console with more users and sales of that title would reach It first.

  36. Roca.:

    Here is a question. Are the Developers Lazy or was Sony not listening?

    Devs are definitely lazy because some of them like Square Enix, Kojima Productions, From Software, Tecmo, Rockstar and many more are producing quality titles (exclusives) on the PS3 beyond anything on the 360. the same can be said about every single PS3 exclusive (from 1st, 2nd or 3rd parties studios)

  37. Roca.:

    CAD: “Oh yes Motorstorm with it’s 2D bushes. I heard those same bushes showed up in GT5. LOL”

    you cleary dont know shit about Motorstorm. go play it first and then talk shit..

    and…..as for GT5, here is something you forgot to say

    - All vehicles will have both physical and mechanical damage modeling
    - 1,000+ vehicles, all with modeled interiors
    - Up to 16 players online
    - Indy cars and tracks will be included
    - Nascar cars and tracks included
    - Head tracking is reconfirmed and it’s for use during racing
    - Multi display is back (using 3 PS3′s for a wider view)
    - HD uploads to YouTube
    - Full Weather changing effects
    - Night racing for all tracks
    - All cars will have cockpit view
    - Night & Day cycle and weather effects on all tracks

  38. Ivan_PSP:

    CAD is just mad because reality is kicking in and the reality is Xbox 360 is pure garbage with hardly anything left to survive so ignored his stupid ass he’s obviously bitter as hell and and trying to keep the denial LMFAO what a total loser.

    The PS3 is high end not dated like Xbox 360 has been since it launched. Also Sony’s exclusives are unrivaled by any company. Sony truly knows what real awesome gaming is. Sony is the only company that is not just after profit. But also after new innovations and new type IPs. You can’t go wrong with the best gaming brand PlayStation. The ultimate gaming brand in the world.

    Everyone has already notice PS3 is the best in everything all you see in the news is PS3 games winning award left and right. Xbox 360 can’t hardly keep anything they are also going to lose Gears of War and Mass Effect already and maybe Left 4 Dead all they got is basically HALO LMFAO.

  39. me_:

    “ That’s because the devs are to lazy to get with the times and they will suffer in the end. I work software development and know first hand you need to keep up with the technology or sink.”

    Why would you bother? Sony’s going to drop it, IBM have lost interest. Why develop skills that will be useless in the not too distant future.

    On the AA side it’s good news for the PS3. The 360 gets 4xAA at basically no cost so the PS3 needs something to compete. I just hope that using >16xAA doesn’t result in 420p rendering resolutions at 15fps. Wait and see I suppose…..

  40. oldschool1987:

    People living in the past here going on about launch titles now lol. That’s true I suppose the PS3 line up was kinda… shit but look at the PS3 line up now and call it shit and you’ll just get called a fanboy.

  41. SW:

    I agree with CAD in that the 360 controller is more ergonomic and that the trigger are superior.

    But man hen I first started playing my 360 it made my hands really fookin tired. Sometimes I just feel like it fits in your hands a little too well, which sounds really odd but I have the same feeling about Logitech mice (usually fit in your hand really well)…

  42. Liquid:

    CAD

    ive brought it before, go and play “learn how to talk to girls” only on xbox 360

    microsofts mush have game voted for by its fanbase

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . . . .

  43. Liquid:

    *brought it up before

  44. Rhino:

    @CAD “I have standards you know.”

    I fucken laughed myself silly when I read that. You do know that bad, shithouse, fucking awful, wouldn’t touch it if it was the last on the planet, etc etc are all standards as well right?

    This is an opinion piece where real life intelligent scientific type people did an analysis. Nowhere was there bagging about the 360, but fucking fanboys like yourself couldn’t help but puff out your chests and proclaim how fucking wonderful the 360 is.

    You do know that ever now and then, the PS3 is going to do something better than the 360.

    And please, please PLEASE CAD, don’t start your fucking fanboy “360 was the greatest innovation ever!” crap cause others and myself have forced your head out of your ass twice that I can think of.

  45. harry sachz:

    @norm,

    “I hope all the 3rd party studios go bankrupt if they don’t keep up.”

    Yeah, nothing pleases me more than hearing about people losing their jobs….

  46. ViRuS:

    Rhino – “360 was the greatest innovation ever!”

    I’d say that title belongs to the wii, if we are talking about gaming consoles of course.

    ncaissie – I hope all the 3rd party studios go bankrupt if they don’t keep up.

    What a stupid fucking statement…

  47. Ivan_PSP:

    PS3 OwNz I hope no developer goes banrupt well maybe Activision and Microsoft Game Studios.

    MAG RULEZ

  48. oldschool1987:

    ‘Sony is one arrogant company’

    @ CAD: And Microsoft ain’t?

    @ Ivan: I think MAG is pretty shit tbh lol.

  49. Ivan_PSP:

    No is fucking awesome

  50. oldschool1987:

    Didn’t like it mate, no blood or fuck all. Definitely shit to me.

  51. Ivan_PSP:

    LoL i love it the beta was downgraded a bit for size. The game is awesome.

  52. Happyhockum:

    Ho hum, the ‘mountains out of molehills’ gang are at it again.

    Too boring.

    Ah well, enjoy yourselves if it really does it for you.
    I just thought ‘f*ck this for a game of soldiers & f*ck the present weather across almost all of the British Isles’
    (major snow and fecking cold).

    Flights found, tickets booked & in just over 2 weeks I’m off again to 38′C sunny Vietnam.

    Fookin brilliant place.

    2 months should do it until things start getting back to something more tolerable.
    Nothing to do but enjoy the place, the people and myself.

    Still, carry on arguing about the minor & laughably minute differences between console ‘a’ and console ‘b’……..

  53. ncaissie:

    @CAD
    “Are the Developers Lazy or was Sony not listening?”
    Lazy

    Here is a question for you!

    Would you rather have the devs spit out the same old stuff or push the envelope and advance your games?

  54. ncaissie:

    The devs want to keep working with what they know (Lazy) and that will hold them back.
    Sony was smart enough to give them the hardware to go beyond PC tech. You can hook up the 360 controller to any PC and have the same experience as you would on the consol.
    I call that thinking inside the box.

  55. ncaissie:

    “Why would you bother? Sony’s going to drop it, IBM have lost interest. Why develop skills that will be useless in the not too distant future.”

    LOL! sure they are.

  56. ncaissie:

    “Yeah, nothing pleases me more than hearing about people losing their jobs….”

    Yeah, if they can’t do their jobs they should not be there. Would you like fries with that?

    As far as I’m concerned the 360/wii can have all the third party crap.

  57. Roca.:

    “Why would you bother? Sony’s going to drop it”

    yup, just like Sony droped the PS1 CPU for a new CPU for the PS2, then they droped that CPU for another new CPU for the PS3…so it only make sense that Sony will be droping the PS3 CPU for a new (better) one for the PS4. im pretty sure the next xbox wont use the 360′s CPU.

    the Tech world evolves really fast CAD, you can get stuck with the same for too long before its time to move on. The Cell is bound to last at least 10 years (on the PS3), I think thats a pretty good life span for any CPU….you really should think before you make a comment like that

  58. ncaissie:

    “you really should think before you make a comment like that”

    I don’t think that will ever happen.

  59. phranctoast:

    Singapore…Now Vietnam…..

    OMG…. I was joking before but Happy really does have an Asian boy fetish ;)

    @Roca,

    There’s not too much evidence that says Sony will drop the cell anyway (everything is a rumor so far). They may be using an advanced cell chipset with more SPU’s for all we know. This may benefit the PS3 anyway, as all the programmers for the PS3 will at least have some knowledge of its architecture for the PS4.

    This would also save them a heap load on R+D.

    Maybe this time they can rip off the new MS’s systems CPU like IBM did to them, by using learned tech from Sony’s pocket for the tech in the 360….

    ahhh Irony

  60. Roca.:

    your theory make more sense…I still think it is impressive that the Cell can be use in so many ways to optimize performance and obtain a better result. 16x MSAA is beyond anything other gaming console and we saw how NG was able to put out the best looking console video game without even using the GPU.

  61. phranctoast:

    “your theory make more sense…”

    I thought you meant about happy :)

  62. Roca.:

    lol. that’s not a theory, that’s a fact :D

  63. Happyhockum:

    phranctoast

    Asian women would be more accurate, my God some of them are incredibly beautiful.
    If it really was all about the pervy or boy stuff I’d probably be heading for Thailand……but I’m betting you already knew that, right? ;)

    Last time it Singapore with a couple of days in Vietnam & a day in Malaysia.
    Vietnam is by far in my opinion, the most interesting of the 3.

    2 months in the topics holidaying, awesome.

    BTW
    There is no “advanced Cell chipset”.
    Cell, as it currently is, is it.
    There may be one or two tweaks left to the existing unit (which might even include one more die shrink to 32nm) but all work on versions to follow this one has been canned according to recent reports.

    No wonder the talk is of Sony heading to a ‘conventional’ multi-core CPU.

  64. phranctoast:

    Last girlfriend was from Korea. One of the most thoughtful women but rude as hell to other people..lol.

    She’s be the person to complain to the wait staff about food. All the time I’m thinking…can i get mine without spit..lol

    Vacation
    Sounds fun. Enjoy.

  65. Happyhockum:

    phranctoast

    I used to have a gf like that with cops, if we ever got stopped she’d go nuts and I would be there just thinking the whole time ‘we’re going to get arrested and have to spend the night in the cells when we were probably just going to get a bit of a lecture’!

    Can’t tell how happy & contented I am to be able to f*ck off and miss another miserable north west European winter this year.
    Bit of an adventure, doing this one all on my own.
    I’ll go see my bro in Sing later on in the year as things start to chill down again.

    Ahhhh, total result, this year at least life is the proverbial bowl of cherries my friend. :)

  66. ViRuS:

    Is MAG any good then Ivan?

  67. Ivan_PSP:

    Hell Fucking Yeah look the IGN videos for more excitement.

  68. ViRuS:

    Looks like fun, but you wonder if lag is going to be an issue.

    If it isn’t though, i’ll be getting it.

  69. phranctoast:

    @Happy.
    Funny stuff.
    Yeah. I hear the UK is getting hit hard this Winter. N/E of the US as well. 30″ snow storm recently……

    @Virus
    DL the beta. It’s available now.

  70. Ivan_PSP:

    There’s no lag in MAG is really smooth and extremely addictive.

  71. Roca.:

    dont even get me started on N/E….the weather here sucks

  72. phranctoast:

    Hey Roca…

    How about those Jets.

    This Saturday will be interesting.

  73. Roca.:

    I wasnt going to get the game after playing the first Beta which was laggy, glitchy, and slow back then.

    I downloaded the lastest beta and I was really impressed, it runs smooth, it’s got a few graphical enhancement, and it plays flawless, there are still some server/connection issues, but most of then were fixed within hours after the beta went live.

    the RPG elements and the strategy of the game is what I enjoyed the most….I was going to pass on this game but I liked the lastest beta so much that I passed on Darksiders and Bayonetta to get MAG instead

  74. Roca.:

    Phranc,

    I hope the Jets can get far into the playoff but my teams area the Mannings (Colts and the Giants) so since the Giants are out…Colts all the way.

    I hope Brady and the Pats get eliminate in the first playoff game and if the Colts dont make it to the playoff I will be rooting for Farve and the Vikings ;)

  75. phranctoast:

    I’d love for the Jets to put the Bengals in their place again like last week. Just to prove that it doesn’t matter who they put in, the D will show up and shut teams down.

    Isn’t Tom Brady injured? I heard Ribs…then finger..wtf is happening with him?

  76. phranctoast:

    Colts are already in the playoffs…
    They have a bye week this week.

    I’m prett sure they are No.1 Seed to the Chargers are number 2.

    If the Jets win this Sat, they will play the Chargers.

    This is exciting. The Jets play great against great teams and poor vs the poor teams.. Go figure.

  77. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    packers all the way and if not i hope farve goes the distance…oh and if packers lose to cardinals ill root 4 them….screw the jets lol they got in cause no one tried against them lol i wish denver wouldnt suck so much ass as of late but oh well

  78. Roca.:

    the Jets have the best D and the best running game. but in the playoff its all about the passing game.

    Colts have the best record with no running game whatsoever, they relied only on thier passing game and if they were so pussy they could’ve had a perfect season

    I want to see Colts-Manning vs Vikings-Farve in the Super Bowl

  79. The Future of Sega:

    Go Bengals!!!! Who Deeeeeeeey!!!! The Bengals will win bitches! :)

  80. phranctoast:

    Great D wins games. Look at what happened when the Giants played the Patriots.

    Awesome Pass Rush kills the passing game.

    @Sega
    So when is ochocinco changing his name?

  81. Roca.:

    lol -> ochocinco

    Unfortunately Sega [The Future of Sega]is gone for good……R.I.P.

  82. ncaissie:

    LOL why is that Roca?

  83. Roca.:

    go to the first article ncaissie

  84. ncaissie:

    I see. what a tool.

  85. phranctoast:

    what a way to go though.

  86. Roca.:

    I wonder what pissed him off this time ;)

  87. Liquid:

    i did

    http://gamer.blorge.com:80/2009/12/30/looking-forward-to-gaming-in-2010/#comments

  88. Roca.:

    lol…..you didnt have to be so tough on him

  89. Liquid:

    he started it lol

  90. phranctoast:

    that made me want to cry.

  91. Liquid:

    dont worry guys im not and escaped schizo lol but man that guy pissed me off. will you guys be playin AVP on feb 26th?

  92. Roca.:

    I’ll be playing MAG.

    I have no hope for AVP, I guess I just have to wait and see if it will actually be any good

  93. phranctoast:

    @Liquid.

    Did they completely scrap Aliens:Colonial Marines for AVP?

  94. Liquid:

    roca

    i cant wait for MAG, i was on the november beta, not arsed downloadin the new one, just gona wait for the game to be released

    phranctoast

    they said they just postponed till Q4 2010, i hope it didnt get scrapped. i say online will be amazing on AvP if its anything like the pc games.

    now when is duke nukem forever gna be released? im tryin to find duke nukem total meltdown on ebay for psone. that game was amazing

  95. phranctoast:

    Duke nukem will be out prior to Huxley and Alan wake ;)

  96. Liquid:

    true lol

  97. harry sachz:

    Huxley yes, Alan Wake no. I heard that Huxley may not even see the light of day.

  98. Roca.:

    I saw some Huxley time card at a 7/11. is it out for PC?

  99. CarlB:

    Nice article Mike… don’t know why you didn’t link it, but went ahead and found it anyway:

    “Being experimental, it does have its drawbacks. When edges in-game are one pixel or less than one pixel in thickness, the edge-detection technique doesn’t really work. Pandemic also subjects the entire, completed framebuffer to analysis – including the HUD elements – so there is often artefacting on the text overlays… Additionally, in some cases there are some interesting “fuzzing” issues on edges, which without some more illumination from the coders is very difficult to explain. Perhaps it’s simply the effect of processing a motion-blurred screen?… Overall then, what we have in The Saboteur on PS3 is very much an experimental technique, and you get the idea that the base visuals suit the technique well. In playing the Xbox 360 version, the level of “teh jaggies” isn’t exactly a major issue; the game lacks high-contrast edges, and is pretty soft in general… Chances are it will come down to how computationally expensive the technique actually is on the SPU, and how it can be refined still further, and that’s where our knowledge hits a brick wall.”

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-saboteur-aa-blog-entry

    The game also has a 73 for 360 and 72 for PS3 on Metacritic now… it will be interesting to see what the face-off reveals. Sounds like the technique isn’t up to par quite yet without artifacts… maybe it will be sometime after the next generation already starts?

  100. harry sachz:

    I think it may be in beta for PC, to be honest I haven’t really been following it.

  101. Ivan_PSP:

    Mike thanks again for this article we know PS3 has a massive future proved heart unleashing new awesome power every time. That’s why PS3 is the ultimate gaming system.

  102. CarlB:

    Now playing Bayonetta and Darksiders… it seems the PS3 “proved” it could have a “heart” failure on the former title… i.e. not “ultimate”… lol. Saboteur on PS3 just dropped another point to 71 (360 remains at 73)… Bayonetta is still comparatively high at 89 for the PS3 version, 93 for the 360 version.

  103. harry sachz:

    CharlieB,

    Is Darksiders as good as the reviews are saying? IGN gave it a 9 if I recall.

  104. Ivan_PSP:

    CarLB:
    Keep trying PS3 still gonna rock hard as hell. Sony’s on a non stop roll. Exclusives from left and right. And yeah i might buy Darksiders for my PS3 any time this year.

  105. oldschool1987:

    YAAAY Xbox winning by a massive 2 points!!! lmao what a joke.

  106. CarlB:

    Harry, not that far into it yet… so far the graphics and environments remind me of Infamous. Traversing “demonic growth” (i.e. climbing) and attacking mechanic is identical to God of War (he is the horseman “War”) … though shimmying is a lot faster due to War’s ability to run with one hand on rails. Yes, it is fun and fluid so far… side note… Mark Hamill (aka Luke Skywalker), the same actor who voiced the Joker in Batman AA, does the Shadow (a character who “keeps War on a short leash”, though I haven’t seen it yet) in Darksiders.

  107. CarlB:

    OS1987… agreed, it is a joke considering how low The Saboteur is in reviews already.

  108. CarlB:

    not to mention the PS3 version is supposed to be “teh superior” in graphics… lol what a joke.

  109. Ivan_PSP:

    CarlB:
    Is too funny LoL, he tries so hard to help the Xbox 360 brand but is still not quite close to help even a little you need more then lies or words to help a Halo console LMFAO.

    PS3 is the superior everything.

  110. Roca.:

    the funny thing is the article is not talking about reviews but about 16x MSAA. leave to CarlB to start the trolling comments and the console comparations, and then starts raving about 2 points.

    since this article is about graphics I can say U2 is the best looking game this gen (see we dont have to wait until next gen) and its metacritics rating is averaging a 96% and its the highest rated exclusive this gen. maybe Bayonetta will actually please you more since you tend bash PS3 exclusive and praise every single multiplat, including MW2 which you havent played yet

  111. ViRuS:

    @Liquid

    Lol, thats why Sega is pissed off?

    Gotta love it when people have a slagging match over the internet. Nobody comes out a winner, just end up looking like fools. I mean, half the insults weren’t even insulting.

    Do people still get offended by others questioning their sexuality? LOL,

    Yeah, pretty funny from my standpoint though. I wouldn’t take any plaudits though Liquid, because you both came across as tools in my eyes.

    I doubt you care though, ;)

  112. oldschool1987:

    ‘PS3 version is supposed to be “teh superior” in graphics’

    @ Carl: Have you seen the graphics for ODST? …What a joke.

    And Uncharted 2 compared to Xbox’s best looking game… Yes, another joke.

  113. CarlB:

    Roca, “the funny thing is” you missed the 3/4 of my comment quoting from the source where exactly MLAA had problems. And if the game isn’t fun in the first place then WTF do the graphics in it matter? The only possible way it could is if it was done in higher quality titles to make a significant difference between the two versions, and that without the artifacts and problems this technique presently has (as I quoted above – which you seemed to have passed by completely…. mysteriously).

    I already played, platted, and was finished with UC2 months ago. As I have said ever since, the game is great, and if me predicting it’s successor will get a standing ovation at E3 this year when it is shown, while predicting God of War III will win GotY are trolling comments, well, sorry, I didn’t know you were an XBot.

    “you tend bash PS3 exclusive”

    Sorry… do you have ADD or something? The only PS3 exclusive I have played that I haven’t liked is MGS4, and I’ve said specifically how much I have enjoyed Infamous, God of War Collection, UC, UC2, and Demon’s Souls. Your problem is you can’t stand ANY criticism whatsoever of ANYTHING related to PS3 or it’s games. Calm down.

  114. CarlB:

    “@ Carl: Have you seen the graphics for ODST?”

    Nope… don’t really care to either (as I don’t really care for Halo), but from what I understand any graphics in it still have to go through what is scheduled to be 9 months of post production polish, and that this period is crucial to any game’s success, so it may or may not look different by the time it releases.

    Games like Infamous, Batman AA, and Borderlands were a hell of a lot more fun for me than UC2 (though I still enjoyed UC2). Graphics mean jack to me when compared to gameplay, and pixels/polygons are something for fanboys to argue about when practically every other title is on the same level or better on 360.

  115. twilight:

    CarlB,
    Which version of Darksiders did you pick up?

  116. INFIDEL_JIHAD:

    Wow there’s just too much bullshit flyin around in here all because This post states what anyone who knows gaming has known since the launch of the PS3, First off I’m not a fanboy I own all the consoles 360, WII, A gaming computer and 2 PS3′s. the woman prefers the PS3 so we both have 1. I prefer playing the ps3 for simple reasons 1.less kids on the PSN than the 360, 2. my local friends almost all have PS3′s 3. I prefer the controller feel & setup with R1-L1 as the fire & aim and the sticks next to each other it’s all real close for fast paced FPS, All these inaccurate posts is funny sh_t, AAA multiplatform Games look as good on the PS3 & the graphics on exclusives like killzone 2 & uncharted 2 blow away Halo3, Gears of war2, U really need to see and compare them running on the same HDTV, if you haven’t seen first hand u really don’t know what your talkin about, FYI Uncharted2 shared all the advances they made with the PS3 making uncharted2 Killzone2 did the same it’s standard for sony to share

  117. CarlB:

    OS1987, sorry… I was talking about Reach there… I think I did glimpse ODST though… they seemed on a level with Borderlands… which I don’t really mind at all. I think the key, at least IMO, is do the graphics detract from or add to the game play? If the answer is no, then I don’t really care. UC2′s detail did add to the experience, but I still think that has more to do with the style of that exclusive than processing power, or at least any processing power the 360 does not have.

  118. CarlB:

    twilight, the 360 version… IGN gave it the nod over the PS3 version in their head to head as well.

  119. oldschool1987:

    ‘Graphics mean jack to me when compared to gameplay’

    @ Carl: You know what? You definitely got me there and I agree with you lol.

    all my responses seem to be too Carl recently lol. I think I love him <3 (btw for Future of Gayga that's a joke because you didn't understand the concept of joke before and started acting hard with you girly abuse lol)

  120. Ivan_PSP:

    Xbox 360 needs real games like all Sony’s exclusives. Then we can have a fair fight Halo sells well but is flat game over hyped and extremely dated.

  121. Roca.:

    lets just move on, CarlB is like a lawyer. he will never give up on his attempt to praise the 360.

  122. me_:

    “since this article is about graphics I can say U2 is the best looking game this gen (see we dont have to wait until next gen) and its metacritics rating is averaging a 96% and its the highest rated exclusive this gen.”

    Mario Galaxy 97%. Does that make it a better game than U2 Roca :P

  123. Roca.:

    “Mario Galaxy 97%. Does that make it a better game than U2 Roca ”

    im not the one making a big deal about 1,2 or 3 points….I think CarlB seems to be the one who cares.

    but like I said, since the article is about graphics (not points/scores) Uncharted 2 is the Best looking gen this game.

    ODST was the Best 360 game in 2009 if it make you feel any better

  124. Ivan_PSP:

    Roca.:
    True CarlB loves hating on PS3. He says some good things once a while to try to help his own BS but we all know he is an Xbot for ever.

    Agree and disagree with you on UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves the PS3 will have better looking Sony exclusives i bet like UNCHARTED 3 and many more. But yes so far UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves looks the best.

    “ODST was the Best 360 game in 2009 if it make you feel any better”

    LMFAO that shit was just too funny you gave them Halo something i s always better then nothing i guess at least for the Xbot family.

  125. phranctoast:

    The difference in points could also mean that they were reviewed by different sites/magazine.

    For example, the PS3 got these reviews from PS3 only sites/magazines:

    PS3blogger: 80
    PSX: 80
    PSFocus: 78
    PSMS: 69
    Sixaxis: 60

    as opposed to
    Xboxaddict: 84
    MSxboxworld: 80
    Official Xbox Magazine: 80
    Xbox Achievements: 77
    Planet Xbox 360: 77

    As of now the metacritic is 73 to 72.

    Darksiders 360 got the head to head nod from IGN according to Carlb, yet it’s metactritic is two points below the PS3 version.
    go figure…………..

    @me_
    With your Mario Galaxy-Uncharted comparison I need to ask you one question.

    Do you believe reviewers were more compelled to give the next Mario game perfect ratings before they would a basically new franchise like Uncharted 2 where the first game wasn’t a super critical success story?

    I for one don’t believe that Uncharted comes across as a game were reviewers felt obligated to give it perfect scores (see GTA4 as a perfect example).

    Not to take anything away from Mario Galaxy as I heard from anyone who’s played it that its phenomenal and is right at top of my list of games to play on my GF’s wii.

  126. ToshithegreaT:

    “Nope… don’t really care to either (as I don’t really care for Halo), but from what I understand any graphics in it still have to go through what is scheduled to be 9 months of post production polish, and that this period is crucial to any game’s success, so it may or may not look different by the time it releases.”

    @Carlb

    I think Oldie was referring to Halo Odst, while you are talking abt Halo Reach.. As far as reach goes, i think it will look great, but no one should compare Reach to KZ or UC, as most of the action in halo is on a much larger scale than KZ or UC put together

  127. phranctoast:

    “I think Oldie was referring to Halo Odst, while you are talking abt Halo Reach.. As far as reach goes, i think it will look great, but no one should compare Reach to KZ or UC, as most of the action in halo is on a much larger scale than KZ or UC put together”

    This is one of the reasons I found Far Cry 2 to be a great graphical achievement. It was a sandbox game, which traditionally have crappier graphics to begin with, that was a FPS that looked right up there with the best FPS’s when it was released.

  128. Roca.:

    @ Phranc,

    16 player online for Halo 3/ODST is nowhere near scale of the 32 players online for Killzone 2

  129. phranctoast:

    @Roca,

    I think the scale he made reference to was the SP overall area, but even so there are some very open areas in KZ2, which just proves the game was optimized very well.

  130. CarlB:

    “he will never give up on his attempt to praise the 360.”

    It seems you will never acknowledge anything positive I say about the PS3 or negative I say about the 360, even when it is right in front of your face… I guess that’s what happens when you do nothing but worship at the altar of PS3… lol.

    @Toshi,

    You are right, I was talking about Reach… I corrected myself in my next comment above.

  131. Roca.:

    we all know you a die hard 360 who happens to own both consoles (just like Ivan)

    SW called you on it, nacissie also noticed your rants, Phrancs has giving many trolling awards, Mike also stopped replying to your usual fanboy rants/replys and you keep trying to argue which console had a better quality lineup in 2009 when the answer was as clear as water. every single media acknowledged it but in your world the 360 in the clear winner.

  132. CarlB:

    “we all know you a die hard 360 who happens to own both consoles (just like Ivan)”

    The difference is I actually use my second console. Also, I just picked up my first PS3 months ago, and in the short time I have owned it I played through five of it’s exclusives that I felt appealed to me most, also acknowledging that I thoroughly enjoyed 4 out of five of those games.

    We all know you are a diehard PS3 fanboy, that you do not even own a 360, and the quote you used about 360′s lineup for 2009 from AUS IGN’s site actually gave Wii the best lineup for the year, not PS3… but just because you have so much blinding love for PS3 doesn’t mean we all have to. Sorry.

  133. ncaissie:

    Roca is right. You just seem to say a lot of bad stuff about the PS3 with no real justification other than to argue.

    I think the games are good on the 360 but it’s still a POS. I wasn’t a Sony fan until I got my PS3 and I am not an MS hater I just don’t put any value in the 360.
    Now I have many Sony products and my wife just got a Sony HD video camera with a 260(around there) gig HDD.

  134. Roca.:

    Ivan is just like you, he only buys and plays PS3 exclusive game on his PS3, all other multiplatform game he plays them on the 360.

    “Also, I just picked up my first PS3 months ago, and in the short time I have owned it I played through five of it’s exclusives that I felt appealed to me most”

    you can’t really argue the quality of the PS3 exclusive as the reviews speak for them self.

    the first 360 exclusive already came out:
    -Divinity II: Ego Draconis

    it is suppose to be a system sell.

    you also bash on Eye Pet and praise Natal when the concept for both are about the same…

    and the IGN link gave the Wii the “exclusive” category for 2009 but the best quality lineup (not just IGN) has been given to the PS3 by more than a single website

  135. Ivan_PSP:

    CarlB:
    I use my Xbox 360 mainly offline LoL to play some pirated games by some i mean a lot. I got sync up and get my damn useless game score up.

    Roca.:
    I do everything on my PLAYSTATION 3 Xbox 360 is too crappy to use and i hate the spaceship controller too big.

    I do play every platform mainly on the Xbox 360 free which i could enjoy them. I only like Xbox 360 for GTA DLC and soon Alan Awake if if really launches ever. My #1 gaming console is PS3 i play games on it because well is the best and more enjoyable plus the Dualshock 3 is very familiar.

    CarlB is a biased Xbot all his PS3 praise comes with a bad little message along pure FANBOY of them…

    EyePet is bad for them because they don’t have it. They really love being bitter and extremely jealous.

  136. CarlB:

    “you also bash on Eye Pet and praise Natal when the concept for both are about the same…”

    I’m sorry roca, but it is just my personal opinion that Half-Life 2 and Geometry Wars with Natal controls looks like more fun than playing with a flying monkey in EyePet. I understand completely if you and Ivan prefer the monkey. I am still looking forward to God of War III.

  137. Roca.:

    Milo is just Eye Pet with a freaky lil dude…I understand if you and the xbot crowd prefer to flirt with a male child

  138. Roca.:

    btw, enjoy your first 360 exclusive of 2010
    -Divinity II: Ego Draconis

    there will be more like this one, trust me. in the mean time, you can keep trying to argue that the 360 had the best quality line in 2009…that was quiet funny even where all multplatfrom websites gave it to the PS3

  139. CarlB:

    Haven’t really paid attention to it… but I understand how you keyed right in on that aspect of Natal… seek help.

  140. Roca.:

    “Haven’t really paid attention to it”

    its part of your DNA already, part of your normal life. it just seemed too normal for you. of course Milo will rock, Eye Pet (same concept) will suck…right

  141. CarlB:

    “Milo will rock, Eye Pet (same concept) will suck”

    You said it not me… lol.

  142. Roca.:

    sure…… *yawn*

  143. ncaissie:

    Just because you think something is perverted doesn’t make you the pervert. I think if you ignore the perverted aspect makes you more of a pervert thinking its ok.

  144. CarlB:

    right… like thinking someone commenting about how ignoring the perverted aspect is somehow more perverted makes them more of a pervert thinking is okay… isn’t circular reasoning wonderful?

  145. ncaissie:

    You make no sense dude. Nice try.

  146. Roca.:

    huh??? there must be some missing from this riddle

  147. ToshithegreaT:

    Comprehension skills ;)

  148. CarlB:

    “btw, enjoy your first 360 exclusive of 2010
    -Divinity II: Ego Draconis”

    and enjoy your first PS3 exclusive of 2010 – Frogger Returns.

  149. Ivan_PSP:

    carlb got owned

  150. CarlB:

    Oh Ivan, as perspicacious as always.

  151. harry sachz:

    I used to love frogger! Is there a demo of it on PSN, similar to how XBLA games all have demos? Or do I have to purchase it without testing it out?

  152. Liquid:

    you can download all demos free

  153. oldschool1987:

    lol Harry there’s enough demos on the PSN and they’re all free :p

  154. harry sachz:

    oldie, cool! I’ll definitely get the frogger demo then! hehe

  155. CarlB:

    Harry, I don’t see any demos for it… but Sony is getting a lot more demos out there for PSN games, they are just not standard for every one like on XBL games. IGN’s review doesn’t look good… 4.5 (Poor) out of 10:

    http://ps3.ign.com/articles/105/1059011p1.html

    But if you still want to give it a go I would be interested in hearing your take on it.

  156. me_:

    @ phranctoast

    “Do you believe reviewers were more compelled to give the next Mario game perfect ratings before they would a basically new franchise like Uncharted 2 where the first game wasn’t a super critical success story?”

    You’ve probably got a point. Mario Sunshine got 92. I haven’t really played it but what I’ve heard has been mixed.

    @Roca
    “ the first 360 exclusive already came out:
    -Divinity II: Ego Draconis

    it is suppose to be a system sell.”

    Geeze Roca, how can you be expected to be taken seriously?

  157. Liquid:

    @virus

    i dont care what you think man ;)

    i think i clearly won if ” the future of sega is no more” lol

    now just gotta get rid of HH and kev lol (joke)

  158. Roca.:

    Carlb: “and enjoy your first PS3 exclusive of 2010 – Frogger Returns.”

    this is not a exclusive as it is also on the Wii. nice try btw, comparing a downloadble remake game to a full fledged game shows alot.

    @me

    Mario Sunshine sucked, specially since Mario 64 was so great. Mario Sunshine was a letdown!

    me: “Geeze Roca, how can you be expected to be taken seriously?”

    lmaoo I was being sarcastic dude

  159. ncaissie:

    Comparing scores on two different games on two consoles is not like comparing scores on the same game for two consoles.

  160. ncaissie:

    I like to decide for myself if a game is good or not. Just because a game gets a good score it doesn’t mean I will like it. I wish Sony, MS and Nintendo would force studios to release a demo of each game. I think it would put a stop to the shovelware. If they know people will try it and it sucks no one will buy it. (except when parents buy blind as gifts)
    I for one buy my games and don’t ask for them as gifts.

  161. CarlB:

    “this is not a exclusive as it is also on the Wii. nice try btw”

    The game you mentioned is not an exclusive either as it is also on the PC, nice try btw.

  162. Roca.:

    then Mass Effect 2, Alan Wake and Splinter Cell are not exclusive as well, and when you add all the “favorable review scores” at the end of the rememeber not to include them

  163. Roca.:

    “is not an exclusive either as it is also on the PC,”

    I believed we can agree on that…just remember it when debating this issue regarding ME2, SC:C and AW

  164. ncaissie:

    Are there any true exclusives for the 360? Besides Halo 3, which will probably make it to PC this year?

  165. CarlB:

    @Roca,

    Turn it around and say Metroid Prime trilogy was available on PS3 and not 360, or World of Warcraft was available on 360 and not PS3 and you could see the prominence of having it on one and not the other if you did not happen to own a Wii or a PC, or even if you did and you wanted to play on your “console of choice”.

    For the sake of this discussion though (and what we usually talk about), we are talking about PS3 and 360 only, as in what is on one is not on the other. In that case, “frogger returns” is just as “exclusive” as “Divinity II”.

  166. Ivan_PSP:

    Xbox 360 hardly has any real exclusives they all come to PC LMFAO. When Sony has exclusive it means one system only not two.

    CarlB:
    Stop you failed bad already.

  167. CarlB:

    Ivan, like being able to play PC games on your console is not desirable… LMFAO. Fail.

  168. Ivan_PSP:

    Fail again

  169. CarlB:

    Too true. Less compatibility in PS3 with PC games as well as last gen (PS2) games is truly “superior everything”.

  170. Roca.:

    - “The game you mentioned is not an exclusive either as it is also on the PC, nice try btw.”

    -”we are talking about PS3 and 360 only, as in what is on one is not on the other. In that case, “frogger returns” is just as “exclusive” as “Divinity II”.”

    your not making any sense, we usually talk about exclusives and to me exclusive means avaiable only on one single platform

  171. CarlB:

    Of course, you usually talk about exclusives only, I usually talk about games in general. It doesn’t make any sense because we think in different terms and have a different focus. Your focus is PS3 centric, mine is multiplatform and games in general.

    The point is, if you have only two capable platforms (360 and PS3) instead of four (360, Wii, gaming PC, PS3) it is just as exclusive. More people also likely have two gaming platforms than four, and perhaps some would rather see PC games come to their platform of choice rather than Wii games.

  172. Roca.:

    multiplatfrom games are available on all console including PS3…so there is not much there to argue.

    a exclusive is a exclusive and its only available on one single platform (thats why its called exclusive)

    Halo 3 is exlcuisve to the 360 as you cannot play anywhere else.

    Uncharted 2, GoW2 and almost all first party titles for the PS3 are exclusive because you cannot play them anywhere else.

    Splinter Cell Conviction, Mass Effect, FF13, FF14 etc….are all multiplatform games because you can play them on multiple gaming platform.

    even you said it, but now since its going against the 360 you want to turned it around:

    “The game you mentioned is not an exclusive either as it is also on the PC, nice try btw.”

  173. CarlB:

    “multiplatfrom games are available on all console including PS3″

    So if it is not available on “all consoles including PS3″ then it has some exclusivity. Good to know.

  174. CarlB:

    “even you said it, but now since it’s going against” PS3 “you want to turn it around:”

    “this is not a exclusive as it is also on the Wii. nice try btw”

  175. MUSTANG750R:

    PS3 FUCKING SUCKS…. LOL

    Jus kidding. I’m a Sony fanboy, but I use facts to inform lost people why the PS3 is better.

    I’m new here and I was intrigued by what I was reading in both article and comments (lmao @ poor sega) and felt like joining.

    A bit of background on me: I am American, but I’m not to be associated with the lesser… “ones.” I’m currently in the process of joinin’ the Marines. I have an original 60 PS3 with a 500 gig HDD… any questions? And YES the xpoop350 does suck old donkey balls.

  176. Roca.:

    multiplatfrom – available on multiple platform, it doesn mean available on ALL platfrom.

    L4D2 = Multiplatfrom (360 & PC)
    Mass Effect 2 = Multiplatfrom (360 & PC)
    Final Fantasy 14 = Multiplatfrom (PS3 & PC)
    Final Fantasy 13 = Multiplatfrom (360 & PS3)

    exclusive means one single platfrom

    Halo = exclusive (360 only)
    U2 = Exclsuve (PS3 only)
    FM3 = Exclusive (360 Only)
    Diablo III = Exclusive (PC only)
    Super Mario Bros = Exclusive (Wii only)

    so like you said “is not an exclusive either as it is also on the PC”

  177. CarlB:

    Limited exclusivity means not available on all platforms… i.e. “Frogger Returns”.

  178. MUSTANG750R:

    @Roca

    There is such a thing as console exclusive. As in FF XIV is exclusive for the PS3 but is available on PC.

  179. Roca.:

    MUSTANG750R

    console exclusive is one thing..FF14 maybe a console excluve but it is still multiplatform..such as FF14 which one will have the need to own a PS3 to play the game because it will be available on multiple platforms which are PS3 and PC

    CarlB

    limited exclusive? lol did you made that up all by your self. Exclusive and multiplatform is all there is.

    if is available on 2 or more platform is a multiplatform and not a limited exclusive…lmaoo that was good though

  180. CarlB:

    “limited exclusive? lol did you made that up all by your self. Exclusive and multiplatform is all there is.”

    I can see that you cannot, or rather refuse to, comprehend/admit that something that is only on some platforms and not others is limited in it’s exlusivity. It’s okay, I understand.

    So let’s put it this way: Some games on PC are also on 360. Several of these are not available to play on PS3. Some games on Wii are also on PS3. One of them you cannot play on 360 is “Frogger Returns”.

    You originally brought up Divinity II (also on PC, but not on PS3) as the first 360 exclusive of the year. I responded in kind with “Frogger Returns” (also on Wii, but not on 360) as the first PS3 exclusive of the year.

    You then say Frogger returns is not PS3 exclusive as it also on Wii, and I state neither is Divinity II, as it is also on PC. You then state there are only two categories in existence… and even defined the terms: “multiplatfrom games are available on all console including PS3″… “a exclusive is a exclusive and its only available on one single platform”.

    So neither of these games fits the two terms you defined for the sake of this discussion, hence the term “limited exclusivity”. Comprende?

  181. Roca.:

    save you attempt to make the 360 look a bit better. the fact is

    exclusive – available on one single platform
    multiplatfrom – available on multiple platforms

    so the following are not considered as “exclusive titles”
    -Mass Effect
    -Mass Effect 2
    -Left 4 Dead
    -Left 4 Dead 2
    -Gears of War
    -Splinter Cell: Conviction
    -Alan Wake
    -Final Fantasy 13
    -Resident Evil 5
    -Final Fantasy 14

    etc

  182. CarlB:

    So now that you’ve decided to change the definition of the term “multiplatform” from:

    “multiplatfrom games are available on all console including PS3″

    to:

    “multiplatfrom – available on multiple platforms”

    in this discussion… why didn’t you list Divinity II as multiplatform as well (also on PC)?… lol… too funny.

  183. ElBarto:

    @CarlB

    A desperate person will try anything to save himself, no matter how unlikely.

    CarlB: “The game you mentioned is not an exclusive either as it is also on the PC, nice try btw.”

    Tooooo funny. Keep digging your own grave and maybe we’ll help you fill it.

  184. chaosblade22:

    Wow, so all this time the PS3 has been capable of running games better than a 5070, i7 Core, and 8 GB of DDR3 RAM, with its weaker hardware?
    BULLSHIT

  185. Roca.:

    because on metacritics I was looking at the 360 section..so I thought it was one of those horrible 360 excluisve like Too Human or Valve Assasins.

    but yeah the game is a multiplatform so it doesnt count as you said “is not an exclusive either as it is also on the PC”

  186. chaosblade22:

    I’m sorry but no.
    4 year old hardware is not going to outperform current PC hardware at anything.
    Not even teh cell, which by the way if you knew about this sort of stuff, you would know that games are more dependent on the GPU than anything.
    The proof is in the fact that games like Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2, are not in native 1080P (they are upscaled) or anything higher, with 16 X AA and AF, something high-end PCs can do with Crysis, which is technically superior to any console game

  187. Roca.:

    hey read this

    http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/01/11/sony-ps3-vs-high-end-pc-graphics-cards-smoothing/#more-92348

    is mike a software developer?

  188. CarlB:

    I would say yes, considering the first sentence of the second paragraph above.

    From your link it sounds like “Peter Chubb” is a fan of Mike’s… ha ha (*Simpson’s bully laugh accent).

  189. CarlB:

    “Mike Ferro is currently a Senior Software Engineer for one of the largest IT company in America. With extensive experience in software development and requirements analysis, he started writing freelance as a Technical Writer for various clients. Mike Ferro has written various articles for Software Quality Engineering Sticky Minds ranging from software performance tuning to white papers on agile development best practices. He is also extremely passionate about video gaming in general, practically owning every home system to hit the market. He plays on next gen systems such as the PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii, but he also finds time to dust off his old Commodore 64 to play Beachhead.”

    Here’s the link… he’s the only author listed without a pic:

    http://tech.blorge.com/writer-bios/

  190. Roca.:

    damn…they really do their research before posting an article. I never thought Mike or Dave had a Bios page.

    thanks for the link

  191. St0rmBr1nger:

    PS3 is totally where it’s at. Microsoft are desperate to convince gamers it’s not the case, but the quality of PS3 exclusives clearly show that when a games does not have to cater for last-gen hardware like the XBox, the PS3 games are substantially better than anything else around.

  192. CarlB:

    “when a games does not have to cater for last-gen hardware”

    Sorry, but that just doesn’t come to mind when playing Bayonetta. What does is… “I should be sleeping… but I’m not tired… and I can’t put the controller down this game is so fun”. It truly is the first great game of 2010… highly recommended… on 360 that is. It’s likely Mass Effect 2 is next in line.

  193. Roca.:

    “when a games does not have to cater for last-gen hardware”

    “Sorry, but that just doesn’t come to mind when playing Bayonetta.”

    Bayonetta doenst look like a next gen game…more like a Wii/Regular Xbox game. NGS1 and GoW Collection look better

  194. CarlB:

    Especially on PS3.

  195. CarlB:

    Sorry, but there is nothing from Wii/Original Xbox even comes close to Bayonetta on 360. But I could see how you would think that if you were only going off of a PS3 demo.

  196. Roca.:

    just like there is nothing on the 360 that looks better than the following PS3 exclusive:

    Uncharted 2
    Killzone 2
    Motorstrom
    Metal Gear Solid
    Ratchet and Clank
    Gran Turismo 5: Prologue
    Wipeout HD

    btw, NG on the original xbox looked better then Bayonetta

  197. MUSTANG750R:

    @Roca

    Even PSN Games like flower can’t be done on the 360. And the reason isn’t because of motion controls.

  198. Roca.:

    @MUSTANG750R

    hahah…yeah I read about it long time ago

  199. KMA:

    PS3 uses edge blurring while PC’s use edge SMOOTHING.

    There’s a difference. Huhuh!

  200. Mike Ferro:

    Wow, a comment on a 1yr old story.

  201. Ivan_PSP:

    The PS3 is all high tech. When i do my hombrew stuff on it it does lightning fast like downloading 4gb is one minute.

  202. The Future of Sega:

    FUCK YOU you bastard cunt wipe fuck head Liquid! The Future of Sega NEVER leaves!!! So all of you fucks can shove your asses in a volcano!!

  203. The Future of Sega:

    Ivan is talking out of his ass. It takes 20 mins or more to copy 4 gigs on PS3.

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