God of War III comes to your TV tonight

February 11, 2010

God of War III comes to your TV tonight Tonight’s episode of Gametrailers TV will be very special because it will premiere the the first trailer of God of War III’s production build. The episode will also feature some great stuff as well.

The latest episode of Gametrailers TV on Spike will feature a near-60 second trailer of the final build of God of War III. Everyone saw the awesome glimpse of the E3 build that is about a year old now. Sony teased the vast improvement with some screenshots not that long ago. Gamers will now get to witness the game in action tonight.

In addition to GOW III carnage, some more info about Splinter Cell: Conviction will be revealed. This episode will also premiere MLB 10: The Show, which Aaron Greenberg even admitted is the best baseball game he ever played (MLB 09).

Geoff Keighley will also chat with Kevin Butler, VP of everything about his popular PS3 commercials. You can catch all this and more on the Spike channel 12:30 a.m. PST/EST. If you can’t watch it tonight, you can still catch it on Gametrailers.com tomorrow.



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74 Responses to “God of War III comes to your TV tonight”

  1. harry sachz:

    I saw a clip of the new MLB 10 The Show, I have to say, it looks pretty damn good. When’s it out?

  2. Mike Ferro:

    MLB 10: The Show drops March 2, 2010. Only a few short weeks left.
    You can read my review of MLB 09 to see what was so good about it here:
    Review: MLB 09: The Show is the Envy of the Town

    The Road to the Show mode is probably the best career mode I’ve seen in a sports game.

  3. Barnabe Jones:

    Wow GoW 3 and Splinter Cell.

    Good thing I don’t usually go to bed until around 2. 60 seconds is pretty short, but I’m really looking forward to it.

  4. harry sachz:

    Thanks Mike. Baseball isn’t all that big here, it’s picking up popularity as it’s now live on free-to-air, but this game looks great. Shame it’s being released in March, i’ll have to wait a couple of months to pick it up, too many games coming out that month.

  5. Kevo/Sir_Chubs_Alot08:

    road to the show is every baseball fan’s dream game..its pretty nice but i got alot of buying to do on other titles that im missing out on so 10 will be a pass unles they have it where u can customize ur own ballpark like mvp baseball did

  6. phranctoast:

    They all come out in March as that’s when baseball season starts here in the states.

    Installing bioshock 2 now. I think I’m going crazy. It’s the fever or the music. Not sure yet. Lol

  7. harry sachz:

    Have an issue with PS3 which I need some help on.

    As you know, a thunder storm blew up my modem, switch and 360 last friday. Since then I have plugged the internet connection from the wall directly into the PS3, which works with no problem. I received my replacement switch today, and plugged it in, but there was no connection for the PS3. The PS3 had a message pop up telling me that there is no ethernet connection. I thought that it could be an issue with the switch and/or the cables, so I plugged my laptop into the switch and it connected with no problem.

    So why does my PS3 work fine when connected directly to the internet, however it does not when going through a switch? I tried giving it a static IP but that made no difference.

  8. CarlB:

    Harry,

    I’ve noticed the same thing, and I also think it depends upon the switch. The laptop and 360 work fine but then I get kicked off PSN. I have a Motorola modem and linksys wired/wireless router and still had problems when I was back stateside. I believe there is a specific list of equipment that is compatible from Sony like Microsoft has, but I can’t find it.

    “GoW 3 and Splinter Cell.”

    I honestly think God of War III will blow Splinter Cell away in graphics, gameplay, and sales, but I could be wrong. Then again, they are two different genres as well, so probably not a fair comparison… and I definitely lean towards the God of War side.

  9. Barnabe Jones:

    Yeah I lean more to the GoW franchise also. The first two were amazing. Considering were the story left off, and it’s on the newer console, I’m really looking forward to the 3rd.

    I also do like the stealth game play of Splinter Cell. I was really disappointed in Double Agent. But from what I’ve seen, Conviction looks like it’s going to be pretty good.

  10. harry sachz:

    @ CharlieB,

    Thanks for the input. My problem though is that I am using the same brand of switch, which makes it even more confusing.

    I spoke to a Sony ‘tech’ who told me to reboot my modem (even though I told him that the modem is fine) and then to restore my system. I have saved my game files and am doing a full restore. Apparently it’s going to take 7 hours, but I am hoping that is in ‘Windows Time’, as Windows seems to overquote it’s waiting time.

    If the restore doesn’t work I guess i’ll either have to live with wireless (which is slow on my modem), buy a different switch or physically plug/unplug the cable whenever I want to switch machines.

  11. phranctoast:

    http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-chaos-god-of-war/61815

    OMG!

  12. FahKinSuPah:

    @Harry & Carl

    PS3 has some issues with certain hardware… most notably Linksys routers. You might have to MANUALLY set it up on both the PS3 and Router itself to allow it to go through.

    I have had the same problem. Hope this helps

  13. harry sachz:

    Fahkinsupah,

    I do have the linksys router also. Silly thing is that it connects fine when connecting directly to the modem/router, just going through a switch is the problem.

    Anyway, what settings did you need to do in the router? I have already given the PS3 a static IP.

  14. ncaissie:

    “a thunder storm blew up my modem, switch and 360″
    If you have the MS replacement cord it has a fuse or circuit breaker in it. Try using a standard computer power cord. It is what happened to my brothers 360.

    On topic: I love those commercials. Specially the H2 one where he checks out the guys chick and said I’d say it’s not a problem.

  15. ncaissie:

    I always set my PS3 IP to the DMZ.

  16. Roca.:

    I have a D-Link router and a Wireless N Linksys router and they all work fine… I didnt know there were compatibility issues with when using a hard wired connection.

    btw GoW3 trailer, while it was showing amazing looking new footage, it was way too short!

  17. CON:

    Gonna put this out here now.

    God of War 3 isn’t going to sell well. It’s been overhyped.

  18. Roca.:

    you said the same thing about Uncharted 2…lol

  19. CON:

    I rest my case. Modern Warfare 2 beat it hands down.

  20. ViRuS:

    @phranc,

    Looks pretty good, that Kratos guys comes across like a real douchebag though.

    When is this out?

    @CON,

    You know, GOW3 could be a dissappoint to some. Thats what happens when a game is greatly anticipated. Pretty natrual.

    I’d expect it to sell reasonably well.

  21. Roca.:

    “I rest my case. Modern Warfare 2 beat it hands down”

    that doesnt mean that shit, you said Uncharted 2 was going to sell, just like you said GoW3 isnt going to sell either which is a pretty stupid statement and it only showed how blind you are.

    Uncharted 2 has sold close to 3 million copies…if you called that “not selling well” then you must be a freaking retard and the Uncharted 2 vs MW2 comparation is pretty dumb too

  22. Barnabe Jones:

    Well the last to games were pretty close to perfect. There are so many memorable epic moments between the two.

    I highly doubt 3 is going to be a disappointment. Santa Monica knows what they’re doing.

  23. Barnabe Jones:

    btw pre-orders for GOW3 have already exceeded Uncharted 2.

    That number is going to grown exponentially in the coming months when the advertising campaign starts.

  24. twilight:

    GOW3 will sell very well.

  25. phranctoast:

    If you look at the sales of the last two an argument can be made about sales but it appears Sony is pushing this one peomotionally more than the other two.

  26. CON:

    Okay well I’m just putting it out there now so nobody can come back at me later when I said I told you so.

  27. ncaissie:

    @CON
    I don’t like spending to much on one game but I pre-ordered GOW3 UE last week.
    This game will sell very well. It already has.

    Speaking of which, I order the Ultimate edition but I don’t know if it comes with the collection games.
    When I search there are pictures with and without. Does anyone know the prices of the two versions? I paid $99 Canadian without tax.

  28. Roca.:

    @ncaissie,

    the Ultimate Edition doesnt come with the collection. UK is getting the the Ultimate “Collection” Edition because GOW Collection never came out in the UK.

    NA is just getting the Ultimate Edition w/o the collection.

  29. Barnabe Jones:

    I FINALLY played the Heavy Rain demo last night… wow!

    That first scene was amazing. Is the prostitute the same lady from the casting call promo? I think so. She is amazing. Listening to her tell her story, I got chills and genuinely felt her pain.

    As soon as the demo was done, I went online and ordered it. I’ll find the time and money for this somehow.

    Also it’s obvious GoW 3 isn’t going to be the visual powerhouse of 2010. It’s Heavy Rain.

  30. ncaissie:

    I started the HR DL before I went to sleep.
    I’ll be trying it tonight.

  31. ncaissie:

    Thanks Roca

  32. ncaissie:

    I was just going to give it to my nephew anyway.

  33. Roca.:

    I went to a 7/11 yesterday to get a code from the GOW slurpees…they were all out of cups with codes. told to come back in a few days

  34. ncaissie:

    I tried to find 7/11 but they are max milk or Quicky marts now.

  35. navyste:

    Ive not played any of the origional GOWs will this affect the game for me? I will probably still order it (mainly because thy had a submariner advert on the trailer i watched).

    I agree with CON when he says it wont sell well, the PS3 has a history of quality exclusives not selling well. UC2 i would say had dissapointing sales if it had come out on the xbox it would have had huge sales. Playstation owners just dont seem to get behind the exclusives. Unlike me who only uses his PS3 for exclusives oh and AC2.

  36. Barnabe Jones:

    Going by the pre-orders, it’s on track to sell better than Mass Effect 2.

    Not trying to flame or take anything away from ME2, but it looks like it’s going to happen.

  37. Barnabe Jones:

    I think GoW 3 has a recap of the last 2 games. So it shouldn’t effect a new comer too much.

    You should check out the GoW collection though. Easily 2 of the best action games of all time.

  38. navyste:

    It wont because pre orders are people that would defo get the game. Its the casual gamer you need to snag to get excellent sales.

  39. Roca.:

    since when is 3 million copies considered “not selling well”

    GoW 1 & 2 a little over 3 million copies each on the PS2 (with a install base over 100 million)

  40. ncaissie:

    @navyste
    “I agree with CON when he says it wont sell well, the PS3 has a history of quality exclusives not selling well. UC2 i would say had dissapointing sales if it had come out on the xbox it would have had huge sales. Playstation owners just dont seem to get behind the exclusives. Unlike me who only uses his PS3 for exclusives oh and AC2.”

    Guess I have to say it once more. “PS3 has too many to choose from so one title not selling doesn’t mean anything.” “I only have so much to spend on games so I’m going to buy games I think I would enjoy most”
    Shocked the hell out of the wife when she seen I spent $115 on GOW3. She thought the extra stuff was free. I said not Free but Exclusive. There is a difference.

  41. Barnabe Jones:

    “Shocked the hell out of the wife when she seen I spent $115 on GOW3. She thought the extra stuff was free. I said not Free but Exclusive. There is a difference.”

    lol that’s funny. I can imagine she wasn’t to happy with that bill :)

  42. navyste:

    ncaissie hmm so you think PS3 software sales are being held back due to ‘too many options’, come on now thats a stretch.

    Now back on topic GOW3 wont sell well in relation to other exclusive games as its coming out on the PS3 and its not just 1 or 2 but the majority of PS exclusives dont sell well in relation to XBOX exclusives and multiplats. I dont understand why, but it is a fact. Also why is the attach rate for PS3 lower? All points to 1 fact PS3 owners dont appreciate good games or are poor

  43. ncaissie:

    LOL doesn’t matter. I make a lot of money and spend little. She shops non stop. I did just buy a PSP recently though. LOL

  44. ncaissie:

    “ncaissie hmm so you think PS3 software sales are being held back due to ‘too many options’, come on now thats a stretch.”
    How so? I am a customer so I proved it myself! I’m going on experience. The 360 has few good titles so they sell better. And don’t bother with the US attach rates because they mean nothing.
    I have about 16 games in less than one year.
    Xbox owners have had their Xboxes a year longer so of course they would have more games. (In the US)

  45. navyste:

    Of course sales figures and atach rates matter.

    If you sell allot of games you will make a profit allowing you to make more games possibly better games. If your developing games exclusivly and no-one buys them then you may go multiplat.

    I want more people to buy PS3 games then they will have more money to develop more so i can continue to get good games.

    Your xbox remark i assue is meant to provoke the xbots so i shall ignore. Dont go the way of ivan and liquid come up with some facts not just i bought a million games last week

  46. ncaissie:

    LOL It’s common sense.

  47. ncaissie:

    I don’t know how plants grow does that mean they don’t?

  48. navyste:

    Whats common sense? You could however do some resarch and find how plants grow

  49. JofaMang:

    Attach rates are obviously meaningless, considering that the PS3 still has the best exclusives, despite being burdened with a lower attach rate. Navyste, go suck another dick.

    Attach rates and sales numbers, once past a point of putting your console of choice in danger of being discontinuted (dreamcast) are only fodder for fanboys. It affects gamers not at all, unless that gamer is fanboy.

  50. ncaissie:

    I haven’t heard any attach rate numbers in a long time. I wonder what they are now?

  51. phranctoast:

    “Now back on topic GOW3 wont sell well in relation to other exclusive games as its coming out on the PS3 and its not just 1 or 2 but the majority of PS exclusives dont sell well in relation to XBOX exclusives and multiplats.”

    This straight up is just not true. Just because kev, CON, or happy say it does not make it the truth. Games don’t need to be top 10 in NPD to “be selling well”

    For instance. Both Uncharted games outsold both Mass Effect games.

    I can name many instances where PS3 exclusives have outsold 360 exclusives or multiplats.

    I’ll give props to Halo 3 and the Gears games. they sell very well. I don’t see why those two franchises need to represent the bar as whether or not a game sells well or does not.

  52. Roca.:

    the attach rate difference between the 360 and PS3 is so small that is not even worth bring it up.

    and where are you getting that PS3 exclusive dont sell…besides Halo and Gears all other 360/PS3 exclusive are pretty even.

  53. Roca.:

    I wonder what is his definition of a title “selling well”

  54. navyste:

    Well i would like to think that the 2 UC games outsold ME2 as its just come out.

    Of course sales matter if good games dont sell then good ips get dropped.

    Now you are being fan boys stop crying about the PS3 and start buying the games to prove they can sell then i can have more choice in the future.

    I think you will find that most xbox exclusives sell better then there counterparts on the PS3

  55. Roca.:

    “I think you will find that most xbox exclusives sell better then there counterparts on the PS3″

    common sense since the 360 has about 5-6 Million units lead over the PS3…but but like I said, besides Halo 3 and Gears, all other exclusive are pretty even sell wise.

  56. ncaissie:

    I think Halo and God of War are two to compare.
    We will see in a month.

  57. navyste:

    Roca i know how much of a fan boy you are so listen carefully.

    I am not saying sales prove that games are better or worse in many cases i feel that the quality of PS3 exclusives has not been reflected in sales. Games can sell very well on the PS3 ie MW2 but with exclusives i think the PS3 user base doesnt show enough support.

    I standby the fact that xbox exclusives sell more and that the ps3 ones would sell much better on the xbox. Maybe people did only buy the PS3 for a Blu ray i dont know but you lot arent buying the games and i cant do it all on my own

  58. Roca.:

    “I standby the fact that xbox exclusives sell more and that the ps3 ones would sell much better on the xbox. Maybe people did only buy the PS3 for a Blu ray i dont know but you lot arent buying the games and i cant do it all on my own”

    that’s just a fanboy assumption, just because Wii Sport has sold over 40 million copies doesnt mean games like Mass Effect (which sold close to 2.5 million) are not selling well. In fact 2-5 million is the standard for a game to be cosidered as a sucessful franchise.

    if you compared each exclisve besides Halo and Gears you will see PS3 games have sold just as well if not better as the 360′s.

    that was true 2-3 years ago but not anymore…the only PS3 exclusive that sold poorly was Heavenly Sword and it still manage to sell 1 million. Too Human didnt even came close

  59. ncaissie:

    I’m a PS3 fanboy and I’m not afraid to admit it.
    I will never be a 360 fanboy, even if I had one.

  60. navyste:

    Haze

  61. JofaMang:

    @navyste

    It is you who isn’t understanding the difference in exclusives strategy between the two consoles. The Xbox has fewer exclusives, that sell more. They have ALWAYS focused on a narrow band of big spending gamers, with a super emphasis on FPS. This has worked so far, more power to them.

    The PS3, instead of relying on a single super franchise or focusing on limited genres, has a very diverse variety of exclusives. Almost any type of gamer can find a compelling reason to purchase a PS3, except for the superhyperbolic anontard FPS crowd, where the FPS exclusives tip in the 360s favor, though PS3 has some FPS exclusives worth playing to any fan of the genre who hasn’t become an xbot.

    “It only does everything” is an ingenious ad campaign, as it is very true to how this console has evolved and the target audience that has been bought in.

    Essentially, the 360′s “It only does Halo” has been very successful but lacking in appealing to other types of gamers. This is where Arc/Natal are both chasing the same casual wiitard cash.

  62. Roca.:

    Haze suck…now if you expect every single crappy game to match Halo 3′s numbers then you must be out of your mind.

    here is what I gather – top 5 exclusive excluding Halo 3 (numbers might not be 100% accurate but they come close):

    360:
    Gears = 5M
    Gears 2 = 5M
    ODST = 3M
    Forza 2 = 2.67M
    Fable 2 = 2.6M

    PS3:
    MGS4 = 5M
    GT5p = 4.65M
    Motorstorm = 3.31
    Uncharted 2 = 3M
    Uncharted 1 = 2.6

    *Halo 3 has sold about 9-10 million but the next 2 Halo has failed to match those numbers.

    like I said, sells look pretty even :)

  63. navyste:

    I understand your a fan boy and i understand that but as a fan boy you cant make a meaningful contribution to conversations about other platforms.

    Do you really think they sell in comparative amounts:

    Halo 3 & ODST & Wars
    Forza 3
    PGR 4
    Gears 1 & 2
    Mass Effect 1 & 2
    L4D 1 & 2
    Fable 3
    Too Human

    Uncharted 1&2
    MGS4
    KZ2
    Warhawk
    LBP
    Haze
    Heavenly Sword
    Resistance 1&2
    Infamous

  64. Roca.:

    you make no sense dude….I just showed you the top 5 for each console and here you are still arguing about it… you still have yet to prove your statement.

  65. navyste:

    This is getting tiring right the top 5

    Xbox = 25.67m
    PS3 = 18.56m

    Using your numbers and Halo 3 now i bet if you look because i cant be bothered that if we look at top 10 the gap widens even more. People dont buy enough PS3 games why would you even bother to argue its true.

  66. Roca.:

    nice way to prove your point by adding numbers..it only proved that one game has sold significantly better than the rest

  67. CarlB:

    “Going by the pre-orders, it’s on track to sell better than Mass Effect 2.”

    I would hope so. God of War is a universally acclaimed action game franchise spanning two console generations (starting about 5 years ago), whereas Mass Effect is an RPG franchise that just began this gen (a little over two years ago).

    “For instance. Both Uncharted games outsold both Mass Effect games.”

    Game of the Year top rated action title versus a top rated RPG title. Usually the action title will win, but ME2 hasn’t been on the market nearly as long either… wait and see I guess. Here are the worldwide sales numbers now (VGC), which is actually pretty impressive considering it’s an RPG that’s new for this gen:

    UC1 – 2.88M ME1 – 2.13M
    UC2 – 2.63M ME2 – 1.30M

    For a frame of reference, Fable II is currently the best selling present gen console RPG at 3.44M in worldwide sales.

    “The Xbox has fewer exclusives, that sell more. They have ALWAYS focused on a narrow band of big spending gamers, with a super emphasis on FPS.”

    Well, according to the sales charts below, it looks like PS3 has practically it’s top three to six best selling titles as shooters, so I guess the emphasis is there as well. The only real difference I can see in the best selling exclusive chart below is 360 represents the RPG element whereas PS3 represents the action/platformer element as far as game buyers go.

    “where are you getting that PS3 exclusive dont sell…besides Halo and Gears all other 360/PS3 exclusive are pretty even.”

    He said in comparison to 360 titles. Take out MGS4 and Uncharted and the same could be said. Beyond that, there is still a 100 million software sales difference with PS3 lagging behind 360.

    “Almost any type of gamer can find a compelling reason to purchase a PS3, except for the superhyperbolic anontard FPS crowd, where the FPS exclusives tip in the 360s favor, though PS3 has some FPS exclusives worth playing to any fan of the genre who hasn’t become an xbot.”

    Considering the top selling titles on PS3 are shooters, and beyond that, MAG, KZ2, Resistance 1 and 2 along with at least 50 other well rated multiplat shooters representing the “superhyperbolic anontard FPS crowd” just as well if not better , as any PBot here will tell you, this is a moot point.

    “Essentially, the 360’s ‘It only does Halo’ has been very successful but lacking in appealing to other types of gamers.”

    Wow. I never knew that was a campaign slogan used like “it only does everything” on TV and newspaper ads… guess you just made that up all by your troll self huh? Tell that to all the 360 gamers enjoying ME2 right now, the universally acclaimed version of Bayonetta upon it’s release, or Fable III later on. I never even touched Halo 3 (or any other Halo title for that matter) on 360, and I have yet to play Gears of War 2.

    “I just showed you the top 5 for each console and here you are still arguing about it…”

    Here’s the top ten for each in worldwide sales (VGC):

    PS3 —————————–360:

    1. Call of Duty: MW2 2 -6.78M — Halo 3 — 10.81M
    2. Grand Theft Auto IV -6.27M — CODMW2— 9.23M
    3. Call of Duty 4: MW1 -5.03M — CODMW1— 8.16M
    4. Metal Gear Solid 4 –4.55M — GTA4 —- 7.60M
    5. COD: World at War —3.85M — CODWaW — 6.19M
    6. Resistance: FoM —–3.67M — GearsoW –6.30M
    7. Assassin’s Creed —-3.65M — GearsoW2–5.57M
    8. Gran Turismo 5 P. —3.57M — AC ——-4.79M
    9. MotorStorm ———-3.51M — Halo3ODST-4.63M
    10.LittleBigPlanet —–3.08M — GHIII LoR-4.35M

    What’s that? You say multiplatform doesn’t matter even though they make up the top 3 bestselling games on PS3? Very well:

    1. Metal Gear Solid 4 –4.55M — Halo 3 —-10.81M
    2. Resistance: FoM —–3.67M — GearsoW —6.30M
    3. Gran Turismo 5 P. —3.57M — GearsoW—-5.57M
    4. MotorStorm ———-3.51M — Halo3ODST–4.63M
    5. LittleBigPlanet —–3.08M — ForzaM2 —3.96M
    6. Uncharted————2.88M — Fable II –3.44M
    7. Uncharted 2———-2.63M — Left4Dead–2.69M
    8. Killzone 2———–2.21M — L4D2 ——2.50M
    9. Ratchet & Clank ToD–1.86M — GhostRecon-2.26M
    10.Resistance 2 ——–1.82M — Forza M3 –2.20M

    What’s that? You say take out Halo and Gears titles? Very well, look at the top 500 in total worldwide software sales for each platform and you’ll see:

    360: 343M
    PS3: 213M

    Take out the 30 million in sales that roughly represents Halo and Gears and there is still a 100 million software sales gap.

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  68. Roca.:

    multiplatform titles do sell better on the 360, nobody is arguing that, but as far as exclusive goes…I still see them pretty even which was what Navysty was trying to argue.

    @CarlB some of you PS3 numbers are way off…look at uncharted and GT5p…
    GT5p has sold 4.6M
    http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html
    and Uncharted is closed to 3M and has sold more than the original game. MGS4

  69. Roca.:

    but either way by looking at you list I can see that almost all top PS3 exclusive have “sold well”, why navyste is arguing this is beyond me.

  70. CarlB:

    “as far as exclusive goes…I still see them pretty even which was what Navysty was trying to argue.”

    Navysty wasn’t arguing that they didn’t sell “pretty well”, he just said they didn’t sell as well in comparison to 360 exclusives. I just showed you the top 10 exclusives for each console and here you are still arguing about it… The exclusive sales chart listed above proves this, as Halo 3 outsold MGS4 by twice as much, Gears of War 1 outsold Resistance by almost twice as much.

    That’s not “pretty even” by any stretch of the imagination, especially when the difference in sales on every title listed is 20% to 60% greater in favor of 360.

  71. Liquid:

    SHUT UP CARL!!!!!!!!!

  72. CarlB:

    lol

  73. Roca.:

    the 360 has more consoles out, specially in NA where most of the software sales come from. thanks for not using any sense in this topic.
    oh and L4D and Gears1 are multiplat (available on PC)

    so besides Halo 3, the list look pretty even and PS3 exclusive have sold well and all are well past the 1 million mark (1M usually guarantees you a sequel)

  74. CarlB:

    I used worldwide numbers for a reason roca.
    L4D and Gears are included because they are not available for PS3. The conversation is exclusive to PS3 and 360, besides, PC sales are nominal in comparison to 360 sales of the same title.

    “so besides Halo 3″ is like saying “so besides MGS4″ (the top selling title for PS3). Take them both out and the differences remain.

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