Pachter: Microsoft to increase Xbox Live price when Sony starts charging for PSN
Xbox Live users should prepare themselves for a price increase, at least if they happen to believe Michael Pachter.
It’s looking certain that Sony will soon roll out some kind of subscription model for PSN. A free version will likely remain for those who want it, but a premium, paid-for version with extra features is almost a given.
At that point, games industry analyst Michael Pachter believes Microsoft will up Xbox 360 charges. According to Examiner, during his most recent Gametrailers show, Pachter was asked why Microsoft was charging when Sony wasn’t. He stated that Sony will start charging soon, and then Microsoft will act. He said:
I don’t think you’re going to see the price go up to a hundred bucks over night. I think the first one will be fifty (dollars) will become sixty. That’s a very easy thing to do.
Is it me or does that suck? Microsoft is already making a fortune from the charges it imposes for Xbox Live, and to use Sony’s actions to impose a price increase would be blatant profiteering.
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April 18th, 2010
Rofl
PSN going with a premium model…as long as they keep online gaming free I could care less
What the sad thing is though, as this should be a win for 360 owners over PSN, of which really it is and it doess suck psn is gonna offer a premium at all, leave it to ms to stick it to their herded cows…ahem fan base….
So no matter what cad/or dipshit hh say, ms just made it worse for LiVe members rofl!
They didn’t even give a reason they said it would even be easy to just raise the price lmao
April 18th, 2010
Is it me or is this just pure speculation?
April 18th, 2010
PSN will always be free (as stated by Sony), premium services has always cost money on PSN (ex. Qore) this is nothing new.
April 18th, 2010
They’ll both end up offering something very close to the Microsoft model.
A free (silver) service & a premium (gold) service.
Like it or not.
Nevertheless, nothing has happened.
Microsoft haven’t done a thing.
All this is is a commentator commentating.
It’s not as if they have a 100% accurate record.
April 18th, 2010
how does this guy still have a job? It is understandable that sony want a share of the incredible revenue stream that Live offers, but as far as I am aware they already get some of it by charging distributors for any downloads of their titles, wheras MS don’t but charge the enduser instead.
April 18th, 2010
It’s possible that if some of the speculated features that are talked about for the premium service come to light that MS may add similar features and just charge more for those while keeping
silver and gold as it is now.
April 18th, 2010
Rimmer:
I know this guy is a fucking idiot.
The company needs to fire his ass he’s a fucking moron and has never being close to right. Idiots are smarter then him.
April 18th, 2010
“Idiots are smarter then him.”
lmao.
April 18th, 2010
Who is this Pachter guy? He doesn’t know what he is talking about most of the time. I guess it’s true what they say about getting what you pay for. We’ll see what Sony’s on line service has in store. Xbox360 definitely has the better on line service.
April 18th, 2010
Is this Pachter guy talking through his ass? If I’m not mistaken he’s usually wrong, and lately it seems he’ll spout any old shit just to get himself in an article.
I mean ffs CAD has more credibility.
April 18th, 2010
@Twilight
How is LIVE “better” than PSN? Lets do a comparison:
Movies? Both offer them
Rentals? Both offer them
Netfliz? Both offer them
Demos? Both offer them
DLC? Both offer them
Games? Both offer them Arcade/Minis
Online Play? Both offer them…the only difference is you PAY to play online with LIVE
And what exactly does that get you? The servers ARE NO BETTER than PSNs servers….
So if both offer nearly the same ( i will say LIVE offers the same, just a tad more ) why the hell would you give MS money for? Really they don’t give you much more than the competition…
April 18th, 2010
Far more interesting is thenews that Crazy Taxi is coming to XBL & Quake Arena.
Quake Arena will allow up to 16 players & uses the original 40 maps.
Nice.
April 18th, 2010
Anyone ever try to play the browser based version of quake arena? Does it also work with the ps3 browser?
April 19th, 2010
Jojo,
One word…the ” performance” of these things. It’s a much smoother and quicker experience getting it done on Xbox Live vs the Ps3. I really like Netflix. Netflix is much better on Xbox360. It is not as slow and and clunky in operation as the Ps3. Downloads are generally a lot quicker on the Xbox360. The on line play is even for both systems.
April 19th, 2010
I remember Crazy Taxi! I may have to consider getting that.
April 19th, 2010
I’m feeling like hanging this Pachter dude. I should use one Xbox 360 cord and another core from the PS3. They we can sell the video via Xbox Live and PlayStation Network. 1080p PS3 and the 720p for Xbox.
Coming soon to your virtual favorite stores.
Don’t listen to this guy he gets pay for saying any bullshit. I file a complaint to his company.
April 19th, 2010
twilight
Well, i guess i just don’t see the point of paying extra, if it is relatively the same experience. I personally like the cross bar menu that the ps3/sony tv’s share. MS liked it too as they changed it to that type of menu.
Anywhoo, i don’t see the point of paying extra, since, thats all that stuff is: extra, when the core reason to have online is for multiplayer <—thats what matters to me..rentals/demos, thats all neat stuff, but for me not worth paying extra for.
April 19th, 2010
This is slightly off topic but was something i was thinking about due to the topic and recent sony activity.
I was trying to figure out if it’s even possible for Sony to charge to play games online at all. The comparison being made is with the removal of the other OS option. Now unlike the other OS removal free online games;
-will not effects the security of the ps3 intergrity.
-it’s an advertised feature. It’s mentioned in most commercials.
-effects more than <1% of the ps3 userbase.
Just something that was on my mind…..
April 19th, 2010
phranctoast:
Of course they have full rights to charge us anytime they want for using the PLAYSTATION Network service. %1 user base is a made up user base number. And you can’t compare the OS feature with this.
April 19th, 2010
@Twilight
the 360/PSN doesnt have anything to do with XBL/PSN.
360′s user pay to “play online” and online gaming on PSN/XBL are pretty much the same, MW2 is still getting hack to shit on XBL and its DLC was plagued with so many issues that most users had to wait hours in order to play MW2 online.
SC:C was released with so many issues too and it had to be patched up.
while PSN is more secure and developer have the ability to use dedicated servers for thier online game which is a “plus” for PSN users.
also, even with PSN being free Sony still allows you to share downloadable games and DLCs with other users (up to 4 other users besides you – 5 total)
April 19th, 2010
@Ivan
Sony won’t charege for PSN because they said “what ever is free now, will remain free”
also Sony’s model is to profit from developers and not from users…developers are charged a fee for PSN bandwith while users get to play for free
with MS is the other way around, they profit from users….users paid to play online while developers and MS makes more money from user for stuff that is suppose to be free.
April 19th, 2010
@Twilight
I meant to say:
The 360/PSN *interface* doesnt have anything to do with XBL/PSN
April 19th, 2010
Question, If you pay for Live does it work for all users on your xbox? So if I have 3 kids would I have to pay 4 times?
This is a serious question. Now that I started to play online (COD Waw and U2) I would pay to play.
Not 4 times though.
April 19th, 2010
“@Twilight
I meant to say:
The 360/PSN *interface* doesnt have anything to do with XBL/PSN”
you mean “The 360/PS3 *interface* doesnt have anything to do with XBL/PSN”
lol
April 19th, 2010
@HH – Man Crazy Taxi takes me back…
Fun times.
April 19th, 2010
@ncaissie
lol, thanks for the correction…
to answer your question, every single user that wants to play online have to pay the XBL Gold fee…so if you have 3 kids, each one of their account have to be a “GOLD” member in order for them to play online.
April 19th, 2010
Oh so were back to Patcher and his crystal ball. This guy is hardly right yet every time he talks the gaming news industry listens.
April 19th, 2010
Twilight
To me the 360 interface is like a live entertainment magazine. There’s interviews, news, shows, Videos, Advertisements Updates. I usually spend a good time there before I get into any games. Usually check out what movies are new on the system, look for new demo/Trailers, watch the Xbox 101 Videos and the I like the Sent U A Message videos and the Majors Minuite. I also like the IGN Strategies and Tips Videos. There is so much to do on the dashboard including the Avatar Items which are cool. Did any of you grab the Free Modern Warfare 2 Goggles? I see a lot of people grabed that.
April 19th, 2010
Happy and Harry,
I’m personally waiting for RISK to come to XBLA this year.
April 19th, 2010
“to answer your question, every single user that wants to play online have to pay the XBL Gold fee…so if you have 3 kids, each one of their account have to be a “GOLD†member in order for them to play online”
I hope Sony does it better if they charge. Only my oldest one and I play online but still. I don’t want to pay twice either.
April 19th, 2010
@CAD
“There’s interviews, news, shows, Videos, Advertisements Updates.”
That’s what Google is for. If I wanted that crap I only have to open the PS3 browser. It is all there on the PS3 home page.
April 19th, 2010
As for ” Advertisements Updates” and “news” That is built into the PS3 menu also. There is a nice little marquee on the top and the What’s new in the menu can even be turned off.
I haven’t seen the 360 menu in a long time but the one I remember is no better or less appealing.
April 19th, 2010
Roca
You pay for Online gaming yes but you also get access to content before Silver members. You also get access to Facebook, Twitter, Last.FM, Netflix, MSN Messenger and all those type of services. You also get Parties. Parties are great because it allows 8 People to hook up and talk at the same time for games, Photos, and Movies.
Here is a report that came out today.
MS: PSN and Xbox Live not comparable
Microsoft has said research showing that a higher percentage of US PS3 owners have their consoles hooked up to the internet than Xbox 360 is misleading because it does not reflect pricing or the way services are used.
“What’s important to keep in mind is the level of activity over an online service, especially when comparing a no-cost service [PlayStation Network] to a subscription-based service like Xbox Live,” a Microsoft spokesperson told Eurogamer.
“When it comes to total entertainment experiences and value, Xbox 360 continues to lead the charge,” the spokesperson continued, citing figures from NPD Group’s Online Gaming 2010 Report that show how gamers use the service.
“Xbox 360 is the hands-down leader in online gaming, with 48 percent of all online gamers using Xbox 360 and Xbox Live to connect with friends, family and competitors” according to NPD’s figures, said the spokesperson.
“This study also says that our members take full advantage of the immersive entertainment experiences over Xbox LIVE, logging the most hours of online play per week (7.3 hours/week) – that’s more than PC gaming (6.6 hours/week) and our competition.”
April 19th, 2010
“You also get access to Facebook, Twitter, Last.FM, Netflix, MSN Messenger and all those type of services. ”
Silver members can’t access this crap on a PC?
April 19th, 2010
“Microsoft has said research”
LMFAO what a retarded thing to post.
M$ would never lie!
April 19th, 2010
“Silver members can’t access this crap on a PC?”
Or on a phone even LOL
April 19th, 2010
“You also get access to Facebook, Twitter, Last.FM, Netflix, MSN Messenger and all those type of services. â€
posts like this always crack me up. I recall greenberg talking about why an Internet browser on a console is not a good idea. He then posted the same list of applications that the xbox can do from the above quote.
Well, aside from main applications that the ps3 can access, we also have access to thousands of other useful web based apps through the browser.
For instance. LastFM. Well I’ve been using pandora for a long
ass time now. Yep. Right on my ps3. Yeah. Sometimes a browser isnt such a bad idea, huh?
Lol.
April 19th, 2010
“You also get access to Facebook, Twitter, Last.FM, Netflix, MSN Messenger and all those type of services”
you mean you have pay for that too (gold member)?
awesome, thanks for show how MS is ripping you off by forcing you to pay for free stuff.
I can do all that shit from my PS3 at no extra cost.
maybe that’s the reason why the PS3 has the highest ratio of console connected online…because it’s free!!
***[America has higher ratio of PS3s connected to the ‘net than the Xbox360 and Wii]***
“America has a higher ratio of PS3s hooked up to the internet than the Xbox 360 and the Wii. A recent survey from The Diffusion Group found that 78% of PS3 owners are online. The Xbox 360 had less with 74% while the Wii scored a pitiful 54%.
Getting your PS3 connected to the internet is a simple process with both wired and wireless options available. The PS3 even has a built-in – and easy to configure – wireless adapter that’s ready to be used straight out the box”
http://www.ps3attitude.com/new/2010/04/america-ps3/
April 19th, 2010
““Microsoft has said researchâ€
LMFAO what a retarded thing to post.
M$ would never lie!”
ncaissie,
That Research is the NPG Group’s Online Gaming 2010 Report.
http://www.npd.com/corpServlet?nextpage=entertainment-special-reports_s.html
April 19th, 2010
Roca.:
Kaz Hirai changed his mind about the free service. And i know everything about PlayStation more then even Sony knows and they make it. I know they said it will remain free.
I don’t see this new service coming anytime soon.
April 19th, 2010
Sure I can go to my computer and do all that stuff but I don’t have to. I don’t have to be in two places when I can be in one. That’s called convience. And please don’t bring the PS3 Browser up like it’s any good in the first place. That browser make me want to just turn on my laptop instead. Oh and the reason why PS3 is the most connected Console it because it has Wi-Fi. It does not mean people are gaming.
April 19th, 2010
Hey CAD.
“MS: PSN and Xbox Live not comparable” is not on this page you linked! Try linking the real source.
April 19th, 2010
the word “comparable” is not even in the PDF.
So what are you talking about?
April 19th, 2010
I don’t even see the word “Microsoft” in the PDF.
April 19th, 2010
“And please don’t bring the PS3 Browser up like it’s any good in the first place.”
LMFAO. That’s because it proves you WRONG AGAIN!
April 19th, 2010
“Sure I can go to my computer and do all that stuff but I don’t have to. I don’t have to be in two places when I can be in one.”
lol…….says the guy who bought a PC with a BD player in order to be able to play BD movies. back then he claimed is was not a problem for him to move his laptop back and forth to watch BD movies on his HDTV
now he thinks its a problem for PS3 user to use the computer to access all those services. but then again, we dont have to as we can access then for FREE on the PS3.
April 19th, 2010
Liquid’s laptop is broken and he has been posting from his PS3 since then….I guess the browser works for him.
since you claim the PS3 browser is not that good, compare it to the 360 browser..
ohhh wait….LOL
April 19th, 2010
Cad,
Xbox Live has been really fun.I’m currently doing a free trial period and I like Live better than I thought I would.
April 19th, 2010
Is crap.
April 19th, 2010
I appreciate that the PS3 (unlike the Xbox 360) comes equipped with a Web browser, but it can be frustrating to use. The PS3′s built-in browser is very similar to the one you’ll find on the PSP (it’s a version of the NetFront browser by Access, the Japanese company that now owns the Palm operating system). We see complaints all the time about how kludgey the browser is, how it doesn’t display Web pages as well as it should, and how its Flash support is sketchy, so playback of YouTube, Hulu, or CNET TV videos is dicey.
One reader, Venom1996, comments: “I play a lot online YouTube videos and MySpace surfing through the PS3 on my TV and the system constantly displays ‘Not enough system memory’ [...] It gets really annoying going through all the history and cookies, etc. in hopes of fixing this problem. I usually have to reboot the system before it fixes the problem.”
A lot of folks would like to see Sony move to an Opera-based browser, which runs on Linux (and the Wii uses). Whether that’s the right solution or not, Sony can do better in the Web-surfing department. Heck, if the iPhone can have good Web browser, why can’t the PS3 and the PSP have good ones? (Sorry, Sony, but that’s how people think.)
April 19th, 2010
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6867787-1.html
April 19th, 2010
Twilight my gamer tag is “C Dawk” hit me up.
April 19th, 2010
“We see complaints all the time about how kludgey the browser is, how it doesn’t display Web pages as well as it should, and how its Flash support is sketchy, so playback of YouTube, Hulu, or CNET TV videos is dicey. ”
Maybe from jealous xbox retards. I haven’t had any problems.
April 19th, 2010
“Twilight my gamer tag is “C Dawk†hit me up.”
So he can call you a bitch on live also. LOL
April 19th, 2010
cnet are a bunch of morons that don’t know their ass from a whole in the ground.
April 19th, 2010
@CAD
article is from two years ago btw. The internet browser is far from perfect, but again.. I’d prefer it over 5 or 6 applications available on Live.
Like I said. I’ve been using Pandora for a while now. You Tube is also really good in case you get stuck in a game and don’t feel like running back and forth to the PC. Theres a ton more that also work. It’s just not 5 or 6 apps wrapped up on a pretty bow with banners and lights pointing to it while advertised by Jane Lynch.
April 19th, 2010
“Make system updates download and install faster”
Exactly my point. Oh yeah give everyone free top of the line high speed internet.
That article must have been written by CAD or CarlB. LOL
April 19th, 2010
lol…….says the guy who bought a PC with a BD player in order to be able to play BD movies. back then he claimed is was not a problem for him to move his laptop back and forth to watch BD movies on his HDTV
now he thinks its a problem for PS3 user to use the computer to access all those services. but then again, we dont have to as we can access then for FREE on the PS3.
Roca
Where did I say it was a problem for PS3 users to use their computers to access all those services. It not a problem it’s a solution over the PS3 Browser.
Move my Laptop back and forth who said that. My Laptop and 360 are in the same room. It’s not hard to pull the spare HDMI cord and connect it to my Laptop. Besides I don’t even watch Bluray Moveis I wacth the 360 On Demand and Rogers On Demand for movies plus I have TMN and that has On Demand too.
April 19th, 2010
“CNET Lab Technician Joseph Kaminski. Here are some of the things he wanted to see:
–Ship it with an HDMI cable and have an instructional video on how to hook it up.”
LMFAO more proof they don’t know their asses from a whole in the ground. HDMI is so difficult we need a video to show us how to plug it in! ROFL
Even if it came with a cable I wouldn’t use it. I can’t stand 3 foot cables. My cables are run properly and hidden in the TV stand pole. 3 feet is way to short.
My projector is hooked up to the PS3 through a 25 foot HDMI cable.
April 19th, 2010
Oh I totally forgot Twilight you should check out 1 vs 100 that also for Gold Members too. It’s a very fun live trivia game.
April 19th, 2010
“Move my Laptop back and forth who said that.”
You did and don’t deny it.
April 19th, 2010
Ncaissie
Your just ignorant.
April 19th, 2010
Rogers On Demand SUCKS BALLS!
April 19th, 2010
“Your just ignorant.”
You’re just stupid.
April 19th, 2010
How does Rogers On Demand Suck? In Toronto it works great.
April 19th, 2010
@CAD
weren’t you calling twilight a bitch/whore not too long ago?
@CAD
my point is that I’m able to do facebook, last.FM, twitter and more with my PS3 at no extra cost.
April 19th, 2010
On Demand is the reason all the satellite people can go take a hike.
April 19th, 2010
Roca
That’s great but it’s not the gratest experience and it can be done better with a real browser. Also those applications are part of the interface on 360 so I don’t have to log into a browser and then go to each site. It’s customized for the 360 and it works great. Customized vs tacked on I’ll take customized any day.
We can go back and forth all day and no matter what everyone can do the same thing only each process is a little different. I prefer the 360′s way of doing things and it’s presentation. it’s like the car anology I brought up. Both do the same thing but one does it better because it has better intergrated features. For me that’s the 360.
April 19th, 2010
@CAD
weren’t you calling twilight a bitch/whore not too long ago?
Roca
Me and Twilight have talked and were good so stop instagating evil.
April 19th, 2010
“That’s great but it’s not the gratest experience and it can be done better with a real browser”
its actually the same experience…it is just not as convenient as a real browser but the experience is the same speciall if you plug a keyboard and mouse.
the 360 doesnt offer nothing the PS3 dont already have. while you have to buy a laptop with a BD drive in order for you to watch BD movies.
April 19th, 2010
“its actually the same experience…it is just not as convenient as a real browser but the experience is the same speciall if you plug a keyboard and mouse.”
Wow look at that it’s even more effort because know you have to get a Keyboard and Mouse. LOL
April 19th, 2010
On demand sucks. It’s all crap movies and shows. There is only one good show and the only reason they allow it on there is because they disable the pause, FF and rewind features so you have to watch the commercials. That show is the mentalist.
April 19th, 2010
I did not buy a Laptop to play Bluray movies. I found a Laptop that was going for a great deal and it had Bluray. Completely different my friend. Remember I got robbed so I needed a Laptop.
April 19th, 2010
the keyboeard and mouse is optinal dude, you can do with a regular joypad.
dont you have to look for the “app” icon then click on it…WOW that’s even more effort.
make some sense for once
April 19th, 2010
“Wow look at that it’s even more effort because know you have to get a Keyboard and Mouse. LOL”
Mine is about the size of a Blackberry KB and sits on the controller.
Funny how these things are an inconvenience when it supports your argument but not when you need to do something like connecting a laptop for movies.
April 19th, 2010
“Remember I got robbed so I needed a Laptop.”
specifically one with a bluray player!
April 19th, 2010
Mine is about the size of a Blackberry KB and sits on the controller.
Oh that awkward Keyboard that sits on top of your controller. LOL.
April 19th, 2010
Hey for $750 for a 17″ HP I’m sure you wouldn’t have passed it up either.
April 19th, 2010
Besides it still plays my DVD
April 19th, 2010
ncaissie
Considering everything in the theatre comes to Rogers On Demand including TV shows I’m not sure how it suck but maybe you should actually try it. HD Moveis and all.
April 19th, 2010
everything in theares comes to PSN as soon they the BD/DVD versions are out.
April 19th, 2010
“Oh and the reason why PS3 is the most connected Console it because it has Wi-Fi. It does not mean people are gaming.”
The WiFi that was not needed. And you realize all those people on live could just be using netflix or any of those other killer apps.
Oh and to add to your arguement did xbox have any charity program like folding@home?
One thing about the Ps3 browser I would not use it on a SD tv it just seemed on to me.
April 19th, 2010
“Considering everything in the theatre comes to Rogers On Demand including TV shows I’m not sure how it suck but maybe you should actually try it. HD Moveis and all.”
Not quite. You may have stuff on there we don’t but I doubt that. Good luck watching Smallville on there.
That is the only show I watch regularly.
“Considering everything in the theatre comes to Rogers On Demand”
20 years later.
April 19th, 2010
“One thing about the Ps3 browser I would not use it on a SD tv it just seemed on to me”
I think the browser always display stuff at a higher res than the res of a SD TV, that’s why it seems a bit odd on a SD tv
April 19th, 2010
““Remember I got robbed so I needed a Laptop.â€
the only thing you were robbed of is your dignity, when you picked up that easily fails pos.
April 19th, 2010
LOL @ Phran
April 19th, 2010
CAD
You would have garnered more respect, had you just left your comment as follows: I just like LIVE better…that’s all, instead you are blowing smoke up your own ass…
Here’s the thing man, all that stuff you mentioned…it JUST extra stuff….that Gold LIVE members have to pay for…while we get the same experience, ill admit some worse experience but some better, for FREE….
Also, you linked an article about how live is used more for online….then you talked down another article roca I believe posted saying “that article wasn’t talking about online gaming” something along those line, the point being your point was useres being online to play games…yet in your article, it counted users who were doing gaming and other stuff, like chatting and meassaging..non game related things…see the hypocrisy in your statement???
Also, this is funny because I brought this up a long time ago, and you and happy had no retort…you are trying to point out which service has more users online, or playing games online…there was an article that came out in both this site and joystiq and I believe ign, saying the psn has more useres that play online, precisely because of the free model..
That article stated that only 15-20% or less I believe of LIVE useres subscribe to gold….seems to me not all live users are paying….even if you dispute the article you cannot dispute the fact that unless all, that is 100% of live users are gold, it clearly is not the model to go with….psn can say 100% of its users can actually use its service, and I believe that article even said the same thing…psn has over 20million users, so does live, but of lives 20million, how many are gold…only 10-15%+….the sad fools…
April 19th, 2010
everything in theares comes to PSN as soon they the BD/DVD versions are out.
Yes and they all come to PSN or LIVE but they come to Rogers On Demand before it gets there.
April 19th, 2010
“Yes and they all come to PSN or LIVE but they come to Rogers On Demand before it gets there.”
BS
April 19th, 2010
“Yes and they all come to PSN or LIVE but they come to Rogers On Demand before it gets there.”
Bullshit, after the movie is released on theater, they another release day for consumers to buy or rent…..so the early Rogers can get it is the same day it hits on BD/DVD (which PSN is on par with that right now)
April 19th, 2010
The Bottom line is your to cheap to pay for a premium service and you big up PSN like it the best when it’s not. That’s great that it’s free but LIVE does it better and you won’t acknowledge that. PSN & LIVE are not the same and they are not created equally.
Also get your fact straight. I was talking to Twilight telling her how I felt about LIVE and then like clock work all the PS3 Fanboys came to tell me differently. Then I replied to Roca who is always Ill-informed and corrcted him about what you get with a Gold Membership because he was all bothered because Twilight is seeing the light so he started his bash the 360 campaign. Basically JoJo stop talking out of your ASS.
April 19th, 2010
Live have better features (cross-chat, party system)
but the core online play is where PSN does better
here are the list of games plagued by online issues during released week:
-Gears 1
-Gears 2
-Halo 3
-L4D
-L4D 2
-MW2
-MW2 DLC
some are still hacked with glitches are all kinds of mods…while MW2 on PS3 had one non-online issue during its first week (trophies not showing)
XBL is hackable PSN is not, the add that PSN lets developers used dedicated servers for a better online experience.
April 19th, 2010
Roca the way I know it is that it goes to theatre then it goes to Rental stores and then it gets a DVD
April 19th, 2010
Roac I can make up a similar list. You act like PS3 games never had issues. LOL!! Those issues you talk of are done so why bring up past BS. Only you would reach that far.
April 19th, 2010
CAD
I don’t spout bullshit, I spit common sense kid.
The fact of the matter is, LIVe only offers one feature PSN doesnt: x game chat. Everything else on live is done on psn, either slightly worse or at times, and/or some features are better, so in essence LIVE = PSN…its not a premium service, premium services offer things you can’t get anywhere else…in this case the alternative is PSN which is offers slightly less, or sometimes better than live…in terms of features they pretty much are equal…so the next comparison is price…psn wins there because there is no price…even when psn premiuim package rolls out, the online gaming part is free…
Also good dodge on the rest of what I posted, especially about the article I broke apart for…using plain and simple common sense…
April 19th, 2010
I’d choose dedicated servers on first party games over cross game chat.
April 19th, 2010
Also, if gold live was so good, why is not everyone of the 20million+ users on live? If its so cheap why is not all subscribed….seems to me the 360 members are split into two. 1. The ones who think like you, the minority, and 2. The ones who think like me, the majority..
good luck with that one buddy
April 19th, 2010
Exactly what do you get for your 50 bucks:
Demos a week early…if you think this is a plus, then you better take off any and all post regarding anything against EA charging for demos, your the idiots their after..
Online play…free on 3 other platforms…servers are NOt any more stable, and at time worse than the free alternatives…
X game chat….ill give you this one….but worth 50bucks..not in my book…
Wow, all this and I didn’t need to bring up links..its just common fukin sense CAD…
Let me see the competition offers a better alternative
April 19th, 2010
I’ve played on line with both systems. I didn’t encounter any problems with either system.
April 19th, 2010
Twilight
Exactly equal then servers, I’ve only got halo and gears 2 exp with my bros free month, a tad laggy nothing to kill yerself over, but for 50bucks? What really are you getting
April 19th, 2010
I meant a tad laggy at its worst, other than that it was fine
April 19th, 2010
“LIVe only offers one feature PSN doesnt: x game chat.”
Erm, no. PSN does not have the ability to check and send messages over the net. It also doesn’t have the ability to add users over the net. It doesn’t have the online marketplace where you can queue up any downloads, redeem vouchers etc over the net. The PSN store is cluttered in comparison to the 360′s equivalent.
Let’s call a spade a spade here. Xbox Live allows you to do a lot of things over the internet, has an easier to use interface and has many features. It’s not to say that the PSN doesn’t have most of these features, and has a couple of their own, however Xbox Live is still the better system.
April 19th, 2010
CAD
have you got a ps3 yet?
April 19th, 2010
Easier to use interface is debatable, that can go either to either side, but you said it yourself, each has very similiar offerings, with each having some of their own….
I’m not arguing over the silver accounts, those are fine as is, I’m arguing, whhat you get for your gold, what exactly are you paying extra, to get that gold premium. You guys like to talk up.
The only 3 features I’m told from gold members are online play, x game chat, demos a week earlier….big whoop/and a ripoff….
I have nothing againt live as a whole, just the gold portion of it, the portion you pay for…..
April 19th, 2010
I can’t say that AUD $7 a month is burning a hole in my pocket, you’re acting like it’s $100. Sure it’s not good to have to pay to play online, but $7 is nothing. You can’t even get a Subway sandwich with meat on it for that much. Hell, we get charged $2 per transaction if we use an ATM that is not our own bank’s ATM.
Is $7 a month (I think even less in the states) such a big thing to complain about? Seriously, calm the fuck down. You don’t even have a 360, so why are you complaining about it?
April 19th, 2010
The XMB is way more user friendly than the 360 interface, and it has won many awards to prove it. It was so highly praise by the critics that Sony now use it for most of their electronic devices including TV, phones, BD player, etc.
I think the praised from the critics and the awards speak louder.
April 19th, 2010
“Erm, no. PSN does not have the ability to check and send messages over the net.”
You can’t check and send messages? That’s weird. I can.
April 19th, 2010
haha if you reckon. I have used both and I find the 360′s interface a lot better.
That’s the thing about opinions, everyone has one.
April 19th, 2010
@ phranctoast,
Where do you do that? I’ve tried looking for it and can’t find it.
April 19th, 2010
Just create a message. Hit x on any person and it pulls up their profile with options, and sending messages is one of them. Wait.. You know how to do this. We’ve sent messages to each other…lol.
Are we talking about the same thing?
April 19th, 2010
haha I think we’ve confused each other! I think you’re talking about while using the console, I’m talking about while at work on the net. I can sign into my PSN account over the internet and see trophies, compare trophies and sizes with friends, but the elusive message button is something I can’t see.
April 19th, 2010
U can’t send messages over the net, big deal!
April 19th, 2010
@ Roca,
The topic on hand was that Jojo was saying that cross game chat is the only thing that Live has that PSN does not, I merely corrected him.
And it’s a feature that I use quite a lot, and I don’t think I am alone. It was very useful when my TV broke down, as I was able to tell all of my XBL friends why I am not online. And I do use it a fair bit at work to check any messages that I have received. Actually I am currently using it right now to message twilight.
I really wish PSN had this feature, as I would definitely use it on there also. I also wish PSN had the feature where you can add users from the net. It’s inconvenient to get somoene’s PSN, copy it down, switch on the playstation and add it. With Live, you get someone’s gamertag, CTRL C, sign into xbox.com, hit ‘Add User’, CTRL V, and you’re done.
April 19th, 2010
I use the PS3 web browser and the PSN sharing system quite a lot. I wish the XBL had these features…..I also like how PSN let’s u spend the exact amount when buying stuff, that way you don’t end up with leftovers……
April 20th, 2010
why do you wish XBLlive has that feature? You don’t even own an xbox.
I used to use the PS3 web browser a little, but got the shits with it freezing a lot, and also using the dpad to type addresses etc. I ended up just getting my laptop out. So it’s pretty much useless to me now.
And on the topic of ‘leftovers’, MS are selling points in 400 increments now, so leftovers will be a thing of the past.
What’s the PSN sharing system?
April 20th, 2010
Nevermind, I looked it up. David Jaffe really hates it!
April 20th, 2010
Harry
$7 dollars a month is not that bad…thats exactly what microsoft wants you to think, yet you are merely twisting what the actual amount is: $50 bucks up front.
Yes $7 bucks a month does burn a hole in my pocket
$130 bucks for my cell
$100 bucks for my online package
$$80 bucks a week for gas ( im a commuter )
X amount of $ for food.
$70 bucks for electricity
Not including if i go out with friends…i don’t need nor want another expense, just because “it doesn’t burn a hole in your pocket”
I hate to this but your one of the idiots that EA is targeting with them charging for demos…LIVE GOld members are the reasons companies want to charge for things that were once free, im not down with that…
Also, it doesn’t answer my question, as to why MS thinks they could charge for a feature thats free on 3 other platforms…wait nvm, “because its easy for them too” just as it will be easy for them to raise the price on that…
They blind you with “features” like a week early for demos, to hide the truth: They are charging for something that everyone else offers free…no matter how fancy you package it, its still shit in there..thats all the other stuff is to me and the Silver LIVE members and all of PSN/PC/WIi members..extra fluff…
Look who is talking with their wallets: PC players/PSN players/Wii players and Silver players…keep bending over for MS man, them paying for online play is simply NOT justified, back up even by Silver only members
April 20th, 2010
You spend $130 a month on your phone? wow!
“I hate to this but your one of the idiots that EA is targeting with them charging for demos”
Who would pay for a demo? I can’t see how you’re linking me paying for Xbox live to play online to someone who pays to play a demo. I think it’s silly and unreasonable to have to pay for a demo, as would most other users.
“Also, it doesn’t answer my question, as to why MS thinks they could charge for a feature thats free on 3 other platforms”
You’ll have to ask them that, not me.
“keep bending over for MS man, them paying for online play is simply NOT justified, back up even by Silver only members”
Well again, it’s not like it’s breaking the bank. I don’t want to make assumptions about what you do for work and your wage and how it would make that much of an impact on you, but for me, it’s really nothing. As far as I am concerned, it’s the only way I can play online with my online friends on Xbox Live.
At any rate, you aren’t even affected by this, so I don’t understand why you are so vocal over it.
April 20th, 2010
lol god some people are thick. I just sold Infamous and MGS4 on Ebay for $24 and $23 with $6 postage each. They could buy a brand new copy for $30.
April 20th, 2010
@Harry
-”why do you wish XBLlive has that feature? You don’t even own an xbox.”
so maybe I can pick up one, if they offer those feature for “free”.
-”What’s the PSN sharing system?
Nevermind, I looked it up. David Jaffe really hates it!”
yeah David Jaffe is a developer so they make enough money to take the hit, it basically as letting you friends borrow you ‘physical’ copy of a game, but with downloadble games you cannot do the same….unless you have a PS3 that is.
seems like you 360 fanboys dont like free stuff…I dont see the problem with sharing games. I have save alot of money sharing PSN games with 4 other ppl. 1 buy 1 game, the next guy buys the next and so on and so forth.
you can also share DLC, Betas, exclusives demo, in-game weapons and more.
Consumers are happy that some of this stuff are free, while MS charges for online play which is free on must (if not all) current gaming devices.
and the left overs is still an issues for EU users
April 20th, 2010
“so maybe I can pick up one, if they offer those feature for “freeâ€.”
You’ve been pissing on the 360 ever since you came here, I can’t see you picking one up.
I like free stuff as much as the next person. However I didn’t actually give an opinion on the PSN sharing system, I was merely pointing out David Jaffe’s opinion. I am not surprised with his reaction, it’s like he’s losing out on 3 extra sales of his game.
And I can’t see the big deal with leftovers anyway. It’s not like they expire.
April 20th, 2010
@Harry
my main issue with the 360 are:
-lack of ‘real’ exclusives
-need to pay to play online
-shitty hardware
-expensive proprietary add-ons
-no able to share your downloaded content
if at least online play was free then maybe I’ll consider it.
April 20th, 2010
@ Roca,
The hardware issues look to be pretty much resolved with the jasper, and with this rumoured slim model the chance of overheating etc would be even more remote.
In regards to ‘real’ exclusives, I imagine you’re talking about games that are out on PC as well as 360. As I do all of my gaming in the loving room, I wouldn’t get a game on PC anyway.
I haven’t actually bought any proprietary add ons. My 360 came with a remote, my headset came when I bought my first 12 months of Live and I have an internet port behind the television.
Anyway, I am happy with both purchases. It would be nice for Gold to be free but it’s no show-stopper for me.
April 20th, 2010
hah loving room….. LIVING room.
April 20th, 2010
Wow it would be really dumb of Microsoft to do that! It’s pure greed if this comes to be! Also think it dumb if Sony charges for any features that are now currently free! Greedy bastards if these things happen!
April 20th, 2010
Kushy:
Sony is not going to charge for this free features just some rare new ones maybe.
April 20th, 2010
^
Really thanks Ivan, I will take your word for it! You know, since you know everything! Hahahahaha, you kill me Ivan!
April 20th, 2010
or in Ivan’s case
Self Loving Room
Anyway. The added feature I probably use the most is Pandora. My Ps3 is hooked up to my A/V system so it’s nice when I don’t feel like putting something specific on and have ppl over.
April 20th, 2010
I just googled Pandora, I might give that a look once the wife stops watching TV.
April 20th, 2010
???
April 20th, 2010
Pandora is a really awesome service if you are into music…..
April 20th, 2010
I’ll pass i already got LIMEWIRE.
April 20th, 2010
“Pandora is a really awesome service if you are into music…..”
Another thing Canada is missing. Not that I care. We get many music channels on the TV already.
April 20th, 2010
Can you download the iPhone Pandora app though?
April 20th, 2010
Youtube has music LoL.
April 20th, 2010
Ivan, Pandora is a automatic straming music service far ahead from youtube.
April 20th, 2010
Youtube is king. Why would anyone need automatic streaming unless they are lazy enough to not listen to a song of their choice.
April 20th, 2010
Harry
Sorry but the issues are not resolved with the 360 hardware as they still are dropping like flys…it still has an overall failrate of over 30%….
April 20th, 2010
surveys, polls, see friends repairing/replacing their console and the likes keep show they still die…MS used to lay down the actual percentange but lately they havent been very vocal about it. seems to me like they want you to think otherwise, if not MS would be the first one to report on it.
April 20th, 2010
“Can you download the iPhone Pandora app though?”
Nope
App store is filtered also.
April 20th, 2010
hey roca what’s yer email
April 20th, 2010
I’ll shoot you a msg on PSN with both my personal and work email.
April 20th, 2010
Cool
April 20th, 2010
jojo, how many of those are jaspers? I doubt many.
April 20th, 2010
Or are you just pulling figures out of your butt, kinda like the ’20% of 360 owners have gold’ argument?
April 20th, 2010
According to SquarTrade (a 3rd party insurance company) the fail-rate of the Jasper Xboxes they had seen at the time they published was less than 1%.
Their numbers also prove that Falcon Xboxes were significantly better than earlier SKUs – well below those idiotic 30%, 40% or 50% claims.
Interestingly ‘fat’ PS3′s failed at a rate of 10%, a full 1 in 10.
h**p://w*w.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_Xbox360_PS3_Wii_Reliability_0809.pdf
(try not to laugh but last time he was whinging about these numbers Roca reckoned people were deliberately b*llocking up their console to get the insurance premium back)
April 21st, 2010
square trade are the the official MS numbers…polls, surveys and the such shows the 360 failure is still high.
also, check you local store to see how many dead Jasper are laying around the back room.
but if you want to get technical the link you provided states:
“Furthermore, when looking at over 500 units purchased in 2009, fewer than 1% of customers have reported a RROD error as of Aug 2009. It is still too early to definitively assert that Jasper has given RROD a knockout punch, but such an argument may be pronounceable in the coming months.”
so their statistics came from ’500 consoles’ during a 8-month period which really doesn’t prove anything.
500 consoles is not even 1 percent of the total 360 install based, and most RROD consoles will last over 8 months.
on the other hand, MS used to be vocal about this but has stay shit lately….probably because the numbers are still the same but we will never know until MS comes out with those figures.
April 21st, 2010
“jojo, how many of those are jaspers? I doubt many.”
It really doesn’t matter, as peoples 360s are still breaking down…even after the Jasper has been out….people in this very thread have stated such…
“Or are you just pulling figures out of your butt, kinda like the ‘20% of 360 owners have gold’ argument?”
Read up on top more, as Roca provided the link, a more updated link backing up my point.
I suggest fully reading before responding, lest you follow in CAD and HH’s footsteps…
The funny thing is, the article i am referring to, IIRC, i read here on Blorge
April 21st, 2010
Here goes one link from Kotaku stating out 39 million xbxo consoles, only half are on LIVE at all…now that would be around 20 million people are on LIVE..out of 40million..now take 10-20% of that, and there you have it, your Gold subscribers…
http://kotaku.com/5442283/xbox-360-39-million-consoles-sold-only-half-are-on-xbox-live
April 21st, 2010
Here goes a link from this very site stating the true failure rate of the 360…
http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/09/06/in-depth-expos-reveals-microsofts-xbox-360-failure-rate-was-68/
And here goes the article about Capcom, stating they had to cut parts of the game DUE TO NO BR DRIVE…
http://gamer.blorge.com/2010/02/19/capcom-complains-about-xbox-360-lack-of-blu-ray-support/
I dont pull nothing out of my ass, i try and state what i can to back up my claims…i wouldn’t post it if i hadn’t read/seen it for myself..
And here an article showing PSN not only being more stable than LIVE, DESPITE being free…but, also gaining on the users online, DESPITE being FREE….
http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/11/15/xbox-live-less-stable-than-ps3-psn/
ahhh, much easier to find and post links when im not on my cell phone
April 21st, 2010
LMAO
Back to pretending that SquareTrade
(an independant 3rd party warranty insurance company)
have something to do with Microsoft is it?
Or are you trying to tell people that their overall sample of 10,000+ is not representitive?
1000 – 2000 is considered fine for polling in most places you know.
No point gurning about the low number of Jaspers in that, I already mentioned it (“the Jasper Xboxes they had seen at the time they published”).
Reagrdless of you spin this proves that your idiotic ‘surveys’ and game related web-site & magazine polls are just the cr@p they are.
Packed out with poll cheating PS3 fanboys and nothing to do with reality.
April 21st, 2010
sorry HH but if a 8-month test on 500 consoles seems acceptable to you then be my guess, you can get a joy out of it and feel like its actually reliable now (even when each day there are report of them still dying)
April 21st, 2010
there is not spin.
it only prove that the Jasper can at least last 8-month (previous models could also last 8 months or so)
April 21st, 2010
What I don’t understand is, Why would anyone who bought an xbox 360 go with a third party warranty when MS offers to fix RROD for three years? To me it doesn’t really sound like they are getting the majority of failing consoles.
It’s also very possible that people with the third party warranty (possibly uninformed at the time of purchase or bullied by a forceful clerk/salesman) chose to use MS option and represent a portion of sales in square trades warranty, but not redeemed do to MS’s extended warranty.
April 21st, 2010
^exactly
April 21st, 2010
Hey dipshit HH
I like how you again ignored the links and proceeded to pint and whine about. Their credibility…
You also ignored the following points:
The low number of gold subscribers
A major developer stating how lack of br hinders games/ br can improve games
Psn having more online users than all of live…despite you saying psn is inferior
The total failure rates overall of the 360, despite jasper being out there (over 60%..wow)
Lol keep dodging and cowering dipshit
April 21st, 2010
phranctoast:
“Why would anyone who bought an xbox 360 go with a third party warranty when MS offers to fix RROD for three years? To me it doesn’t really sound like they are getting the majority of failing consoles”
It’s not as if the 3yr warranty came right from the launch of the Xbox.
It’s also a fact that people do odd things sometimes, they may believe the 3rd party warranty the one to use.
TBH I’m surprised you didnt mention the other failures which the 3yr warranty does not cover.
The plain fact is this, you lot can rant and rave on about Jasper fail-rates being high if you like, but nobody is listening anymore.
Everyone knows that is the receeding past and that things improved enormously when Falcon launched & later the Jasper.
April 21st, 2010
Lol @ HH
Not everyone knows, in fact, real world “research” you know getting out of your mothers basement, its pretty much a given that the 360 will die on you….even with the jaspers out
So you can rant and rave all you like, but the fact is, NO ONE, today would ever buy a used 360, hell when I was picking GoW3, I chatted with some peeps who were wanting to buy a ps3 for it, I said you.got a 360? At least 3 people, said they are on their 2nd one…I was like how long ago, they said they had got it for christmas, another said last september..anyways the bottomline was their attitude was pretty much yeah they still break man…I asked why they put up with it…halo and gears…
Again, my own bro is on his 4th box…that’s enough for me to stay away among other points
Sorry everyone knows how much of a piece of shit the 360 hardware is…that’s the truth of the matter, go ask any gamestop employee how many used xbox 360 they sell in comparison to ps3…that’s a very good example of whho has the better hardware…would anyone on blorge buy a used 360? Prob not a used ps3? More likely, esp if its the ol 60gb model
April 21st, 2010
I’m simply showing that there’s serious fault to those numbers. (My step mother bought a third party warranty for her son after the 3 year warranty was around for a while)
I’m sure MS improved on the failure rate and I commend them for taking it on the chin and offering a 3 year warranty to avoid a class action suit.
It must really tick people off to know that MS was well aware of the problem prior to launch and just went full steam ahead to get the 360 out the door prior to the PS3.
April 21st, 2010
Just like blu-ray was rushed out the door incomplete?
April 21st, 2010
I thought you say you dont hate on Bluray….who brought it up and started hating on it now??
here is a good tip for your pathetic ass
wherever you say something….STICK TO IT!!!
April 21st, 2010
Just like the 360 was rushed out the door incomplete? shipped out with a 60%+ failure rate, as the latest study researching have shown?
LIVE was nowhere near as robust at launch. THere was only a CoD game at launch..GTFO HH, you bring nothing here
April 21st, 2010
THere are the FACTS the dipshit HH can’t live with or can’t provide any counterpoint to:
1. PSN is BETTER than LIVE, as evident by the number of people online and using PSN over LIVE…thats live as a whole, thats not even comparing to just Gold members, which would show an even bigger discrepancy between the two..This is FACT
2. The PS3 offers the BEST HI DEF experience out of ANY console. Period. You don’t get higher quailty than a BR.
3. BR is needed as backed up by major developers, BR is NOT needless
4. The PS3 has MORE GENRE DEFINING franchises than MS wishes it could.
5. The PS3 has the most value.
April 22nd, 2010
“Just like blu-ray was rushed out the door incomplete?”
Yep, but with a much lower failure rate.
April 22nd, 2010
Depend on what you call a fail-rate, doesn’t it?
With no ability to go online to update BD+ on the early players then anyone without access to a PC & CD/DVD burning are pretty much stuck with a useless extremely expensive doorstop – after the 1st BD+ update, nevermind the subsequent ones.
April 22nd, 2010
Still, nevermind.
The BDAs reaction to the hobbled profile 1.0 & 1.1 players was ‘tough, they knew what they were getting into’.
April 22nd, 2010
“Depend on what you call a fail-rate, doesn’t it?”
Yeah, phranc. Silly man! fail-rate does not mean the percentage of a product that fails. Not in the wonderful world of Xbox 360! The RRod was not a fail, it was for Christmas lights.
April 22nd, 2010
My PC would not cook my toast so I guess you can add it to the PC fail-rate.
April 22nd, 2010
It is a good thing most companies fix problems when their product fails rather then saying, Oh we will give you a 3 year warranty and after that your own your own. We don’t expect you to use the product more than 3 years anyway. By then you will have so much invested in halo games you will have no choice but to buy a new 360.
April 22nd, 2010
ncassie
You don’t half talk some fanboy cr@p.
“Cook toast”?
Exactly how is that relevant to an early (and extremely expensive) Blu-ray player that no longer plays Blu-rays?
You tragic blinkered fanboy Idiot.
April 22nd, 2010
wait, here you are complaining about some BD player having no ability to go online!! lmao
the 360 released with a failure rate of 99%
no ability to use HDMI
no upgradable HDD
no wifi
no web browser
no Hi-def player
no free online
how ironic that you have to bitch abot the smallest thing when it is on a Sony/BD device but seems to ignore ALL the MS/360 faults
April 22nd, 2010
Roca
As usual you run away from the point about early Blu-ray players no longer playing blu-rays.
In your book that’s not a fail.
You laughably predictable saddo fanboy idiot.
April 22nd, 2010
again you run away from 360 consoles no longer working because their system is dead.
early adopters take their chances…….look at apple and how well they are getting away from releasing a diviced stripped from many features only to release a better version few months down the road.
April 22nd, 2010
Early 1.0 profile players can still play blu rays. Just not BD+. OK.
It’s in line with the newer PS3′s not playing PS2 games more than the 360 problem which is out right failure.
This conversation is clearly apples and oranges.
April 22nd, 2010
phranctoast
Go look on the av forums on this subject, there are stacks of early Blu-ray owners whos players no longer work properly and are junked.
April 22nd, 2010
Roca
You’re way too transparent, troll, go play with the traffic.
April 22nd, 2010
“Go look on the av forums on this subject, there are stacks of early Blu-ray owners whos players no longer work properly and are junked.”
like I said…..that’s the risk early adopters take when they jump on early on electronic new devices. nothing new here. junked or not it still doesnt change the fact that BD is the standard HD format and its rapidly rising.
while BD is enjoying its sucess here is HH crying, whining and raving about all BD related stuff.
April 22nd, 2010
Troll.
April 22nd, 2010
HH you dipshitted troll,
yes lets go look at the AVSForums, there you will see how GREAT a PS3 as a BR is recommended…yes BR players fail…no fucking shit…so did a lot of DVD players…HDDVD didn’t even live long enough to see that through…
Anywhoo, what new BR did you play on your BR player HH? Yes, you did believe the hype you dipshitted troll