Microsoft confirms $149 Kinect pricing
As expected by everyone, the Kinect hardware will cost $149.99 in the U.S. when it’s released in November. Which is a little pricey in my opinion.
We kinda already knew Kinect, the Xbox 360′s motion control system was going to cost $149.99, but it’s nice to have it confirmed by Microsoft at long last.
For the $149.99 (£129.99/€149.99), buyers will get the Kinect hardware with Kinect Adventures thrown in. There is also a new Xbox 360 Arcade on the way, priced at $199.99, which can be bought with Kinect for $299.99.
David Dennis, Xbox 360 spokesman, said:
We believe this is a price point that is going to resonate really well with consumers.
I’m not convinced. It’s not completely overpriced or anything, but it is expensive enough that I suspect many will ponder long and hard before parting with their cash. Especially if they already own a Wii or are planning on buying Move for the PS3.
Microsoft has, brilliantly, managed to compare prices with the Wii and PS3 and make Kinect come out as the cheapest motion control system. Proving there is nothing that can’t be achieved with a little massaging of the figures.
So, will you be buying Kinect? Is $149.99 a fair asking price?
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July 20th, 2010
£129.99 ($197) in the UK
€149.99 ($193) in Europe.
July 20th, 2010
Not very enlightening yet.
The bald price is of little interest, I want to see the bundles as just about nobody is going to just buy the unit itself without anything much to do with it.
This was interesting –
“Microsoft Game Studios creative director and head of Lionhead Studios, Peter Molynuex, has said he still believes there is more graphical power to be tapped from the Xbox 360.
Speaking to GI.biz at last week’s Develop conference, Molyneux said his people at Lionhead are continuing to find new ways to get more from the console which launch almost five years ago.
“If you know the GPU so intimately well, you’re not going to say: ‘Oh, that’s not any problem any more.’ You’re going to push it harder, and that’s what we do,” said Molynuex.
And push harder, Lionhead has. Fable III features levels which are four times bigger than those found in Fable II and also introduces true dynamic lighting.
Molyneux added: “There’s always this curious thing that happens with consoles – you tend to find that the most spectacular looking games and tech comes after the end of the generation. We’re still yet to discover where the 360 can go in graphical resolution. We’re still inventing stuff.”
Fable III is scheduled for release on October 26, 2010 for Xbox 360 and PC”
http://www.videogamer.com/news/molyneux_more_to_come_from_xbox_360.html
July 20th, 2010
My living room is far too small for it anyway, I was going to get it until I seen the list of Do’s and Don’ts. Me and the Mrs only live in a small flat lol
July 20th, 2010
Natal will use 10 – 15 percent of the 360′s overall computing power, not just its CPU.
that must sucks for a console that is already facing many limitations…$150 this will make Kinetic even less appealing as it will hurt hardcore.
July 20th, 2010
“As expected by everyone, the Kinect hardware will cost $149.99 in the U.S. when it’s released in November. Which is a little pricey in my opinion.”
Well…Not expected by everyone. I know of some person that didn’t agree with it
July 20th, 2010
LMAO
If Xbox is a console “already facing many limitations” then wht the hell does that make PS3?
You might not care to admit or acknowledge it but Microsoft knew exacrtly what Sony were doing with PS3 during its design.
It’s why they look and sound identical in every meaningful respect.
…..and Molyneux is already talking about how those “limitations” you love to imagine are not what you wish they were.
There is, apparently, more to come from the Xbox.
I’ll take Molyneux’s word over your reflex fanboy rants any day of the week.
July 20th, 2010
phranctoast
Give it 3mths and we’ll see what I can post it up here for from a large nationwide UK retailer.
July 20th, 2010
Ok HH how does the PS3 have limitations when compared to the 360? Your comment came across in a way that you think the 360 is more powerful?
July 20th, 2010
“So, will you be buying Kinect?”
-No! Not only is the game lineup completely made up of casual games, but they’re all WAY overpriced at $60. Nintendo and Sony have the exact same games (plus better ones) priced at $39.00.
Frankly, the $60 price point for repacked Wii Sports, Eye Pet, Just Dance, etc is disgusting.
“Is $149.99 a fair asking price?”
-Yeah I think so. Based on other gaming peripherals, it seems fair enough.
July 20th, 2010
Well, thats $139 over what I would’ve paid.
Darn.
July 20th, 2010
so are you going to deny that Kinect is not facing some limitation..
*no buttons
*30fps recording cam, which makes it hard to track “fast” & “small” body movement (like moving your fingers)
*no physical feedback
*10 – 15 percent of the 360?s overall computing power, not just its CPU.
*Limited to two players
*limited to a Wii-channel-like UI because its limitation cannot produced the “Minority Report” experience they were hoping for.
*Doomed for casual shovelware since the both limitations – DVD9 limitations & natal limitations (see above) combined with 15% deacrase in overall computing power – will limit Kinitic to Wii-like Shovelware (look at MS’s E3 press for proof)
July 20th, 2010
“Your comment came across in a way that you think the 360 is more powerful?”
you have to understand him (or feel pity), that came from the same guy who claimed ODST looked as good as Uncharted 2 & also claimed Alan Wake (which looks shitty) will be in the top 3 in sales in 2010
July 20th, 2010
LMAO I was trying to remember who said that to me once about ODST looking better than Uncharted 2, was that you HH? LMFAO!
July 20th, 2010
ROFL @ HH
i remember you were denying and fighting the rumored $149 price ROFL what have you to say now dipshit
“Give it 3mths and we’ll see what I can post it up here for from a large nationwide UK retailer.”
And here he goes, back pedaling away, trying to save face…”but but wait, give it three months i want to see bundles”….
sounds familiar you little dipshit…$50 bucks is the MSRP of Gold LIVE…FACT
$149.99 is the MSRP price of Kinect…PERIOD…now go eat ms dick for 3 more months…
July 20th, 2010
oldschool1987
Actually you’ll find I said “It’s why they look and sound identical in every meaningful respect”.
If your little inner fanboy can’t handle the words as they are written and has to find a way to pretend that I said ‘one was more powerful than the other’ (when I said no such thing) that’s your problem.
They’re about the same means they’re about the same.
Come on oldschool1987, you’re better than that, surtely?
July 20th, 2010
jojo
You really are a gay-sex obsessed sad little twerp.
July 21st, 2010
actually HH, I asked you games on 360 look as good as Uncharted 2…you listed 3 games
Ace Combat 6, ODST and Forza 3
July 21st, 2010
Well boo hoo hoo, you don’t agree.
FFS get over yourself ya ridiculous tedious idiot.
Weep on and on and on aboput it for months if you must.
What a pathetic cretinous fanboy.
July 21st, 2010
glad to see you still believe what you said 9 months ago…
to answer Oldschool’s question, YES IT WAS HH WHO SAID ODST LOOK AS GOOD AS UNCHARTED 2.
LOL what a delusional blinded fanboy
July 21st, 2010
I’m no fanboy HH but I can admit when a certain game looks better than another. I won’t say one looks better when it ain’t just because it ain’t on my console of choice. The fact is Uncharted 2 looks in no way, shape of form similar to ODST.
July 21st, 2010
You know HH reminds me of someone who would be standing on the bow of the Titanic with an oar yelling “COME ON!!! YOU CAN STILL SAIL!!!”
July 21st, 2010
“You really are a gay-sex obsessed sad little twerp.”
Someone seems a bit unsure of his sexuality as any mention of “gay-sex” gets his panties all in a bunch…you have something against gay people HH? If not, why do you get all uncomfortable when i mention your love of ms’ cock? lol
You are a sad hypocritical, dipshitted, old man HH…enjoy MS cock and balls lol
July 21st, 2010
Fact check
Kinect can recognize 6 people but can only do two at a time. That’s why you can jump in and out easily.
July 21st, 2010
Oh for sure I’m buying it. What do you mean you can’t do minority report style controls. Did you not see the movie controls. I can’t wait to laugh when it launches and all PS3 people will be doing is looking on and wishing they could try it. they’ll probably be running to their 360 friends houses just so you can try it. The air is so thick with envy listening to you guys it’s not even funny. Stop torturing yourselves.
July 21st, 2010
Yeah ok CAD lol
July 21st, 2010
That post sounded like it was made by Bazaro-Ivan.
July 21st, 2010
Nah, I believe CAD has reached the point where he understands that he’s not about the change any minds and is just hitting the ‘random spew’ button on his keyboard
July 21st, 2010
LMAO @ SW
July 21st, 2010
Fuck CAD what’s happened to you mate. Did Greenberg finally pull his dick out cause you’ve been all civilised with you posts lately.
Frankly it’s too expensive for a rebranded eye-toy and I won’t be letting it anywhere near my 360.
Same applies to the glowing dildo.
Both of them are going to need to come out with some pretty fucking awesome games for me to part with my hard earned money.
July 21st, 2010
“*limited to a Wii-channel-like UI because its limitation cannot produced the “Minority Report” experience they were hoping for.” actually there has been no mention of any such limitation, they simply haven’t shown it yet. And even if they don’t implement it at the beginning, there is no reason why they can’t at a later stage with a firmware update. Similarly to all the other supposed limitations, which are all tied back to software issues, not hardware ones.
It is funny how so many ps3 fans are spewing muck like it’s going out of fashion. Are you so insecure and jealous that you need to vent your collective spleens and make up supposed issues in every post for a device that won’t even be released for another 3 months.
July 21st, 2010
the issues and limitations are well known and can easily be found on many different websites
5 lies MS told us about Kinetic:
http://www.x360me.com/?p=1961
Lie 1 : Minority Report Dashboard Control
“At the original Project Natal announcement, control of the current dashboard was available using various swiping gestures. You could swipe right,left,up and down to navigate the dashboard. I thought this was a great idea as the current dashboard would lend itself very well to this kind of navigation.
magine my disappointment when were shown the new ‘kinect dashboard’ at this years E3. A seperate minidash will be integrated into the current software. You may even have to use a regular xbox controller to access this minidash, and once you do you’ll be able to use Kinect to navigate. Now that wouldn’t be so much of a problem, if the minidash was similar to the current dashboard. Instead, the new Kinect dashboard is virtually the exact same to the one you’d find your Wii. It displays various boxes across the screen, which if you point your finger at for a *couple of seconds* [very convenient?], you can access. This is a far cry from the super cool navigation we saw last year.”
July 21st, 2010
Rimmer
“It is funny how so many ps3 fans are spewing muck like it’s going out of fashion. Are you so insecure and jealous that you need to vent your collective spleens and make up supposed issues in every post for a device that won’t even be released for another 3 months”
Nicely put and 100% on the money.
They are obsessed by Microsoft & Xbox.
July 21st, 2010
LMAO! you can tell the 360 fagboys here are pulling a last stand with kinect! they are dying inside with its limitations and expensive price. . .cmon CAD i thought you were a hardcore gamer. . now look at what MS have reduced you too! a casual gaming retard!
July 21st, 2010
More Kinect limitations and issues:
“nother spec noted is that the cameras are at two resolutions (320×240 and 640×480 in high color) and send a datastream with a 30FPS refresh rate. That means that your movements will always be a couple frames behind (33ms at minimum), especially if you’re playing a game with a high refresh rate. And the rather low resolution means that more subtle movements like finger motions or slight changes in foot position are likely never to be implemented. Usually low pixel resolution allows for better temporal resolution (i.e. faster refresh) but they seem to have neither here, unless there’s some kind of frame-alternating scheme at work.”
July 21st, 2010
and the fact that Kinect will use 10 – 15 percent of the 360s overall computing power, not just its CPU.
talk about limitations…..
July 21st, 2010
Good job you are a die-hard PS3 owner with no intention of ever buying Kinsect then Roca.
……or maybe in a few months when you find out how good it is you’ll sneak off and quietly buy one
(like you claim to have done with the Xbox itself now).
Muppet.
July 21st, 2010
“Not very enlightening yet.
The bald price is of little interest, I want to see the bundles as just about nobody is going to just buy the unit itself without anything much to do with it.”
Kinda like nobody is going to by an xbox without a HDD(arcade)?
moron
July 21st, 2010
@Roca
“and the fact that Kinect will use 10 – 15 percent of the 360s overall computing power, not just its CPU.”
Even with that “limit” Kinect should still be capableof games that are better than what comes out on Wii.
July 21st, 2010
“…..and Molyneux is already talking about how those “limitations” you love to imagine are not what you wish they were.
There is, apparently, more to come from the Xbox.”
LMFAO Yeah, wave your hand this way. Wave your arm that way. Kick the big Red(or Blue) ball off the screen.
Have fun dweeb.
July 21st, 2010
“Even with that “limit” Kinect should still be capableof games that are better than what comes out on Wii”
you are 100% right….but the best Wii games are the ones using “buttons” and Kinetic won’t be able to compete in that aspect.
most xbots should learned from FahKin, he can be part of a debate, and gives his pros and cons about the topic, without bitching and taking other ppl’s opinion to the head..unlike HH, who will stay whining and bitching about what others say and will always end his comments with some sort of childish insult
July 21st, 2010
@ncaissie
LOL, he is ignoring the fact that Molyneux is full of shit….FahKin will tell you
July 21st, 2010
@Fahkin
I agree. I don’t think the limitations will be cpu and processor driven like I did before. The limitation will occur do to the only way to interact is with your body.
July 21st, 2010
do=due
July 21st, 2010
“Fact check
Kinect can recognize 6 people but can only do two at a time. That’s why you can jump in and out easily.”
So if there are 7 people in your house they can never uses Kinetic? LMAO where did you get those facts?
July 21st, 2010
ncaissie
“Kinda like nobody is going to by an xbox without a HDD(arcade)?”
No, nothing like the same at all…..and if Kinect sells as well as Arcade has done they’ll be very happy.
“moron”
Indeed you are.
Roca
“the fact that Molyneux is full of shit”
He made Black & White.
That alone automatically makes your stupid fanboy comment plain for the stupid fanboy comment it plainly is.
When will you buy your Kinect Roca?
‘Never’?
Same sort of ‘never’ as you used to whinge on about Xbox, hmmm?
Hypocrite.
July 21st, 2010
“That post sounded like it was made by Bazaro-Ivan.”
LMFAO That was a good one.
July 21st, 2010
@Roca
Somehow your post came out first.
I was going to say something similar about Fahkin in the “Happy is not a fanboy” topic.
Pointing out Rare’s failures etc……
No one minds someone having a console preference, but all consoled have their faults and ignoring that is crazy.
July 21st, 2010
“When will you buy your Kinect Roca?”
maybe when it’s $50 and have “actual” games to play on it…….idk, so far I feel Dis-kinected.
July 21st, 2010
@Happy,
I definitely don’t hate Molyneux and B+W was great, but seriosuly bro????…seriously??
He talks out his ass and you know it.
Remember that time you jumped in about Killzone 3 and you misquoted the quote that the levels were 10X bigger and you thought it was 10X better and you jumped up and down complaining about the assinine PR drivel…blah blah blah.
Well… Molyneux said something similar about Milo, only he actually said it was 10X better.
crickets……..silence………
Molyneux over inflates his claims and thats not up for debate. I appreciate his past but denying those over exaggerations of his.is one of those “fanboy” things we were talking about.
July 21st, 2010
phranctoast
I’m not “ignoring” anything.
I told you before I am waiting to see the 2nd & 3rd wave before drawing much conclusion.
I’ve also said repeatedly that the direction this stuiff goes in might not even happen with Xbox/Kinect and may be opened up by the a/v deals ‘PrimeSense’ (the Israeli firm behind this tech) are doing elsewhere.
What I’m not doing is judging everything before it’s even in the shops or properly reviewed.
Unlike the usual suspects here.
July 21st, 2010
“No, nothing like the same at all…..and if Kinect sells as well as Arcade has done they’ll be very happy.”
I’m sure they would you fuckin idiot. You said No one would buy just the Kinetic. I’m simply saying a lot of people will buy it alone just like the arcade. A lot of people (and Kids) don’t have the money to buy bundles and would buy it piece by piece and pay more in the long run.
July 21st, 2010
Ooops, my bad…..
Instead of
“I’ve also said repeatedly that the direction this stuff goes in might not even happen with Xbox/Kinect”
I meant to say
“I’ve also said repeatedly that the direction I hope this stuff goes in might not even happen with Xbox/Kinect”
July 21st, 2010
ncassie
There there there, calm down lad.
Try a lie down in a darkened room for a while.
Maybe a councillor for those (laughably obvious) sad little anger issues?
July 21st, 2010
Molyneux downtalks his previous games when the next one is about to come out.
last week Molyneux siad:
“Fable II was “terribly messy”, “rushed” and suffered from “huge design flaws”
July 21st, 2010
The Kinect will be moving quite well of the shelves this hoiday. More people are excited about the Kinect then the Move.
July 21st, 2010
@Roca
“you are 100% right….but the best Wii games are the ones using “buttons” and Kinetic won’t be able to compete in that aspect.”
That is true but of course you can’t forget that the Wii-mote is the ONLY way to control the game, while with 360 Kinect can function WITH the existing Xbox 360 controller.
Why is it that most people seem to forget that?
“most xbots should learned from FahKin, he can be part of a debate, and gives his pros and cons about the topic, without bitching and taking other ppl’s opinion to the head.”
Well thats cause I pretty much own every system and I have been playing games my whole life since Atari 2600. Every system has its own strengths and weaknessess and good and bad games. To me, being a gamer is about the games and being able to enjoy them and if you have a closed mind and say you will never own a particular system you are gonna miss out one some good games. Thats just how it is.
@ncaissie
Roca is right,I will tell you that Molyneux is full of shit. He is a definately a visionary, but I don’t think he can keep up with himself anymore. He probably dreams of fondling Milo
@HappyHorseshit
“He made Black & White.”
Yeah and both 1 and 2 had some issues. Making gestures with the mouse to cast specific miracles often sucked. Still lots of fun though.
Besides, that was THEN this is NOW. Molyneux is full of shit now.
@Phranc
“Pointing out Rare’s failures etc……”
Yeah im not afraid to tell it like it is lol
July 21st, 2010
^ I proved my case
most 360 owner (except CAD & HH) will tell you Molyneux is full of it…he makes good game, I won’t deny that…but none of his games have been far from what Molyneux originally said.
July 21st, 2010
@Roca
“Molyneux downtalks his previous games when the next one is about to come out.
last week Molyneux siad:
“Fable II was “terribly messy”, “rushed” and suffered from “huge design flaws”
”
Yeah, this is exactly what I was talking about with Molyneux being full of shit. He does it all too often.
When Fable 1 was in production he hyped it up beyond all compare.
When it came out it was good but no where near everything that he said it would be.
When Fable 2 was in development he said that it was 10x better than Fable 1 and that alot of his ideas that had to be cut from 1 would finally be put into 2.
2 came out and he talked shit about 1.
Also while 2 wasn’t half bad it still suffered from some seriously stupid design flaws and bugs.
And the multiplayer mode was a fail, seriously pissing people off because you could not take your own character into another persons world.
Now that 3 is so close by look at how much crap he is talking about 2
July 21st, 2010
“There there there, calm down lad.
Try a lie down in a darkened room for a while.
Maybe a councillor for those (laughably obvious) sad little anger issues?”
I am calm idiot. I find it fun putting you in your place. lol fuckin retard.
July 21st, 2010
“More people are excited about the Kinect then the Move.”
LMAO Where did you get this BS? MS tell you that? You are pathetic with your lies.
July 21st, 2010
The funny thing is, I actually like Molyneux. He’s great in interviews and very personable.
Some exaggerations do find their way out of his mouth. I think Fahkin said it best. He’s a visionary. I don’t believe technology has caught up with his ideas yet.
July 21st, 2010
@FahKin
LOL…I wonder what HH will say about it, maybe he’ll call you ‘Pbot’ just because you’re speaking the truth and (painfully for HH) laying down the actual facts.
July 21st, 2010
Most artists down talk their previous stuff. This is not unusual. This is their way of hyping their current stuff.
July 21st, 2010
Yeah typical, a couple of PS3 owners agree on something & that equals (to the Pbot fanboy mind) ‘proving ones’ case’.
LMAO
July 21st, 2010
Fable 2 got some great reviews.
I’ve got that one coming soon, looks like Fable 3 will be worth a look too.
July 21st, 2010
Roca
You might want to consider that opinion (even a shard opinion) is not actually a ‘fact’.
Muppet.
July 21st, 2010
@phranc
” I think Fahkin said it best. He’s a visionary. I don’t believe technology has caught up with his ideas yet.”
How did I say that one before? He has George Lucas disease lmao
@Roca
Call me a pbot? LMAO. Thats not much of an insult lmao.
Facts are facts… we need some more people here who are willing to face those facts, even if the truth can be uncomfortable at times.
Sad thing is, and I know some of the Xbox camp might be pissed off at me, but if I ever ended up meeting or hanging out with anyone of the whack jobs from here it would without a doubt be Roca, Ncaissie, and phranc, and all 3 of you lean towards the PS3 side. Don’t get me wrong, some of you like to do some flame baiting but damn some of the friggin xbox lovers here GO WAY overboard
July 21st, 2010
@Roca
I think one of the things that hit people hardest about me is that it is well known that I prefer Xbox, but yet I don’t hesistate to speak the truth on it.
July 21st, 2010
Well, you called him a visionary. I agree and I added the other stuff based on promises he failed to meet due to tech.
July 21st, 2010
Isn’t George Lucas disease mean “He wants to destroy my dreams and memories of childhood”?
July 21st, 2010
@FahKin
it’s okay to have a console preference but some ppl here (mostly HH) will stay on denial even when they are dead wrong.
July 21st, 2010
@phranc
Yeah. i do believe he is a visionary, But right now it seems like the only visions he is having is of the insides of his intestines. He really needs to pull his head out of his ass.
“Isn’t George Lucas disease mean “He wants to destroy my dreams and memories of childhood”?”
George Lucas disease basically is where his visions or ideals can’t be achieved with current technology lol. 20 years from now Molyneux is going to “revisit” Fable 1 and make it into the game he always intended it to be lol.
@Roca
Yeah, it is ok to have a preference but getting a consoles logo tattooed on your ass cheek is going too far.
July 21st, 2010
Way overpriced! Sorry Microsoft, not this time!
July 21st, 2010
awh fahkin so you wouldnt wanna hang out with me? damn, imagine we could of cracked carlos jokes all day LOL
July 21st, 2010
@liquid
ah how could I have forgotten about you? Where are you from again? I seem to have forgotten
July 21st, 2010
Fahkinsupah
“@HappyHorseshit” <—hilarious
I like your style Fahkin, is funny HappyHorshit likes to roll us "pbots" into one ball and say we 'hate on only kinect" <–narrowing it down to stay on topic.
He fails to realize i hated on BOTH types of motion controls…im against both and think both will flop…as i really don't care much for motion controls..BUT…i even given credit and kudos to the ideals of Kinect.
Of the two motion techs, i 'liked' the idea of controlling the xbox dashboard minority report style, i even said so in the past that, that is pretty awesome…given the recent news though, instead of controlling the dashboard, its a new "mii-too" like dashboard?? <–confirm if this is true or not, as that will kinda suck…
Anywhoo, i've never really 'bashed' on Kinect, it's price is steep, but, that bundle that includes it should help newcomers out, and the $150 is right along the same price, IIRC, as getting 2 full Move Controllers…
Anywhoo, i've stated in the past, i am a Sony fanboy, im just not blind like Happyhorseshit or ClearlyADipshit (CAD)
July 21st, 2010
Ncaissie – the 6 player issue is listed in the official specs:
Kinect Technical Specifications
Sensor
Colour and depth-sensing lenses
Voice microphone array
Tilt motor for sensor adjustment
Field of View
Horizontal field of view: 57 degrees
Vertical field of view: 43 degrees
Physical tilt range: 27 degrees
Depth sensor range: 1.2m – 3.5m
Data Streams
320×240 16-bit depth @ 30 frames/sec
640×480 32-bit colour@ 30 frames/sec
16-bit audio @ 16 kHz
Skeletal Tracking System
Tracks up to 6 people, including 2 active players
Tracks 20 joints per active player
Ability to map active players to Xbox LIVE Avatars
Audio System
Xbox LIVE party chat and in-game voice chat (requires Xbox LIVE Gold Membership)
Echo cancellation system enhances voice input
Speech recognition in multiple languages
This simply means that there can be up to six players in a game with 2 active at any one time. A seventh person would simply not be registered or would have to swap places with one of the original 6 I presume.
Roca, you can keep on listing the alleged “5 lies” as much as you want, that doesn’t make them any more accurate. For one they are complaining that a year old tech demo that highlights the potential of the hardware isn’t offering everything that was shown at launch. Infact at no point did MS ever say that this would all be possible from launch:
1: Minority control type dashboard – is just as the initial demo displayed and much more it just looks a little different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfsGy0gRR4M&feature=channel
2: Object scanning – no it hasn’t been implemented (yet) as shown in the initial demo but it can scan the player in and display them on screen mapped onto their avatar. Again give it some time to mature.
3: Voice control – it is there albeit in rudimentary form, to be expected with new tech – give the developers some time to improve it. Again there is no reason why the software can’t be updated to recognize different voices as well.
4: the multiple player issue is valid, but there is no reason why a game couldn’t adapt the 40 total tracking points and spread them over more than two people if required. Again, a simple software issue not a hardware issue.
5: Milo – is still very much in development as PM clearly presented at the TED conference last week.
And how about the features not mentioned in the tech demo such as motorized tracking and automatic zooming during video chat? I am actually surprised that MS have delivered as much as they have.
All in all that entire article is a massive FAIL.
On topic to this article, I personally think that $149 / £129 is too high for such a radically new interface with such few games at launch. Not the best way to create a critical user mass.
July 21st, 2010
MS: Hardcore Kinect games within 18 months
Microsoft has pledged that its new casual focus – with motion sensing camera Kinect and new 4GB Arcade console – does not mean it is “stepping away” from hardcore gamers.
And it’s even put a timescale on when we can expect to see hardcore games on the device – within 18 months
The firm yesterday announced that Kinect would be priced at £129.99 in the UK at launch in November – but would also be bundled with its new Arcade 360 for £249.99.
“Certainly over the launch phase and this Christmas in particular I think you’ll see very much pure Kinect for 360 experiences that will appeal to the broad young/older/female/family audiences I described earlier,” Xbox EMEA boss Chris Lewis told GI.biz.
“I’ll say again, at the risk of sounding like a cracked record, that doesn’t in any way, shape or form represent us stepping away from the core – which is why, during the press conference at E3 for example, we spent a good solid chunk of time around Halo Reach, Gears of War and Fable. And there will be more coming from us, and our third party partners.”
He added: “[Will] we see more of these hybrid experiences coming, where you can complement what might ostensibly be a controller-based experience with gestures, voice and physical movement? Yes, I think that will come. I think there’s an overlap there, a logical and a good one.
“Again, without compromising on the experience, making sure it’s incremental and generally advantageous to the experience, then you’ll see those types of experiences coming over time. And therefore I think all of the different types of gaming experiences you describe will become available over the coming 18 months or so.”
July 21st, 2010
@jojo
I can understand the stance you take on the motion controls thing. Actually it seems to be mirrored, if not exactly then closely, by alot of us hardcore gamers here on the blorge.
Kinect has so much potential, especially when people were thinking about the Minority Report style menus and all. That was just an awsome idea, but it looks like things might not be that way at launch. Kinda sad but oh well.
Motion tech is really a good idea, but only if implemented properly. Just look at Wii… 95% of games are crap and Nintendo practically abandoned us hardcore gamers. This is something we are all praying that MS and Sony don’t do to us, and we all expect better from these 2 companies. Of course given how things have worked with the Wii so far we are clearly expecting a worse case scenario
Kinect.. $150? Yes that price is way too steep I think. Even if the Move controllers are $75 a piece I can see the Move moving quicker because its cheaper and I am willing to bet it will have more games that appeal to the hardcore crowd within the first 3-4 months. Heck that one magic game that was displayed here on the blorge a few weeks back even looked like fun to a few of us.
July 21st, 2010
@mike
News for you
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/movers-and-shakers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_vg_h__mte
July 21st, 2010
I think HH took it in the ass to hard last night or something.
He sure is wound tight today.
July 21st, 2010
@jojo
“given the recent news though, instead of controlling the dashboard, its a new “mii-too” like dashboard?? <–confirm if this is true or not"
corrent, "minority Report" dashboard control is no longer a reality…instead, as shown at MS's E3 conference, Kinetic UI will look exactly like the Wii Channel UI (Mii-too).
for real Minority Report experience, check this out:
http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/–ps3-move–minority-report-st/1094178
July 21st, 2010
@ncaissie
I think CAD and HH got into a huge fight last night about who was going to be pitcher and who was going to be catcher
July 21st, 2010
@Jojo
to make it even worse, there are even more limitations:
*6ft of space is required, meaning you have to be 6ft away
*Only support single speaker voice control (I thought Kinect was able to recoginze ppl’s voice)
that’s sad….
July 21st, 2010
@Roca
While the Minority report-styled stuff was kinda cool thats not TRUE Minority Report lmao. MR has to be hands free and not waving around 2 glowing vibrators lol
July 21st, 2010
I see Move being able to get Epic Mikey on the console and not Kinetic. While that may not be “hardcore” the game is obviously more than the tech demo type games that have been on display for both machines.
July 21st, 2010
@phranc
Epic Mickey might actually be worth checking out
July 21st, 2010
Out of the two, which one do you guys think would have the best Star Wars game?
July 21st, 2010
“This is something we are all praying that MS and Sony don’t do to us, and we all expect better from these 2 companies.”
THIS is the REASON why “pbots” “park” in every KINECT thread….we are all gamers, and its funny that CAD/HH cannot see that we are trying to HELP THEM…Gold LIVE is a blatant ripoff….CAD tries to cover it up by saying servers are more stable…this is simple NOT TRUE…IF Gold netted you guys DEDICATED servers, ZERO DCs…then yes, i would say $50 bucks is worth JUST that alone…but sadly that IS NOT the case…when you play EA Games, you play on EA’S SERVERS…so again, those $50 bucks nets you nothing..
On to Kinect…now, the problem we are trying to convey, is that it SEEMS ms, has shifted its focus to the casual market…it certainly seems that is the case as the ‘big’ hitters for you guys are: Fable 3 (which is coming out on PC as well, meaning I can enjoy to..i.e non -exclusive) ANOTHER Halo expansion…arent yall tired of Halo yet? and Gears of War 3…NEXT YEAR….multi-plats wont count for shit as they are mutli and avail on ps3…HH/CAD can’t see we are complaining FOR THEM…
On top of that….Kinec News lately, has been NEGATIVE…NOT because of us ‘pbots’, but because from websites actually testing it out are finding flaws and glitches on it…For a product that is supposed to LAUNCH in less than 4-5 months…thats NOT a good sign…
On top of THAT, MS recently says Kinect will need 18 months for hardcore games to mature on the system…Now according to CAD/HH and some analysts, the next generation is supposedly on its way around 2012…so if hardcore games are JUST maturing 18 months from now…how long are you actually getting to enjoy your Kinect…
“I think CAD and HH got into a huge fight last night about who was going to be pitcher and who was going to be catcher”
That is a tough one, as they both LOVE playing catcher…
July 21st, 2010
I’m waiting on some Comic Con posts but EA just announced a sequel to Alice coming next year. While I have some issues with the first one I can honestly say I’m excited to see what can be achieved with todays tech.
July 21st, 2010
I won’t financially support any Disney product (including Marvel products now) since they axed Misfits and denied anyone the rights to continue production after the takeover of Marvel. Fuck Walt “Nazi” Disney and the pious corp he built.
July 21st, 2010
@Jojo
Get out of my brain!!!!!! Get out of my brain!!!!!
July 21st, 2010
The truth is that we have very few people who want to have logical discussions. The majority of the people are anti-Xbox360. They spend their time bashing the Xbox360 system with their Ps3 propaganda. They spout out so much crap that you need a shovel to shovel through all of the crap.
July 21st, 2010
@jojo
If they “meat” in Italy, only one of them has to be gay, you know.
July 21st, 2010
@phranc
Well I have to break that one down for you.
Move looks more stable right now, while there seems to be more doubt about what Kinect is really capable of.
Move would be awsome for a Lightsaber duel, but moving might be more tricky.
Kinect could probably do some awsome Jedi moves like force choke, push and lightning and stuff. Gesture based things, but you would probably need to hold something shaped like a lightsaber handle to get the right feel for the combat. Moving would also be tricky with Kinect but at least you can have the actual space around you in which to move.
Assuming any problems with Kinect could be ironed out I think it could potentially be even, although I think using the force to choke the shit out of someone on Kinect would be fucking sweet
July 21st, 2010
ncaissie:
“I think HH took it in the ass to hard last night or something”
More of your tedious adolescent obsessions.
“He sure is wound tight today”
You wish.
July 21st, 2010
18 months from now or from the day Kinetic hit the selves is pretty much like saying:
Harcore games for Kinetic will start rolling in 2012 – Have faith.
July 21st, 2010
@Roca
“Harcore games for Kinetic will start rolling in 2012 – Have faith.”
But wait…. isn’t the world supposed to end in 2012 or something? lmao
July 21st, 2010
@twilight
Then go away flip-flopper. Cozying up to HH won’t lend you any credibility, thats for sure. The day you announced that you were officially switching to the Xbox team, as though you were picking a color for your living room walls, was the day you showed how little you actually care about gaming, and how much you desire to be seen as a rebel outsider.
Like CarlB, you don’t defend a stance, you chose to take an indefensible stance for whatever need-to-be-a-victim reasoning. Have fun with it, but those of us who actually give a shit about games, and not the thrill of the debate already see you for what you are.
BTW, it is not PS3 propaganda to reveal the facts regarding the 360s inherent flaws and drawbacks. It is responsible consumerism to call out MS for their lies and misrepresentations. That you can only see it as a personal attack is sad. At least there is one thing you have in common with the real Xbots.
July 21st, 2010
@HH
“More of your tedious adolescent obsessions”
were you obsessed with taking in the ass when you were a adolescent? why you keep refering to it as “adolescent obsessions” unless you talk from personal experience?
I’ll guess that obsession carried throughout your entire life….
July 21st, 2010
@Roca
I seem to remember back in the day when the PS3 was building steam with their exclusive lineups, us PS faithfuls were derided and mocked for having “faith” in Sony to give us a true Playstation gaming platform. Of course, we will be the assholes for pointing this out.
July 21st, 2010
“But wait…. isn’t the world supposed to end in 2012 or something? lmao”
LMAOOO, they will die waiting for it hahahah.
July 21st, 2010
“adolescent obsessions”
That sounds like some novel Ivan, CAD, and HH might read
July 21st, 2010
@Roca
You know your girlfriend totally wants to play Kinectimals.
July 21st, 2010
@FahKin
She will get some Kinectimals playtime time on Friday
July 21st, 2010
I didn’t think Beaver was represented in kineticmals
July 21st, 2010
@Fahkin.
While I see Kinetic being “better” than Move for the force powers, remember, Move has a camera as well. All those force powers can be detected by gestures in move too.
July 21st, 2010
Roca
Yeah, like I said, another adolescent gay sex & penis obsessed little twerp.
Grow up.
twilight
You see, you dared go ‘off message’ and now you’re to be personally attacked and anything you have to say trashed relentlessly.
The sad fact is that any old report questioning anything about Xbox or Kinect is held up as if it is the Gospel truth and damning.
It’s just the usual saddo cr@p.
July 21st, 2010
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/uk-360-sales-up-1000-percent
July 21st, 2010
“BTW, it is not PS3 propaganda to reveal the facts regarding the 360s inherent flaws and drawbacks. It is responsible consumerism to call out MS for their lies and misrepresentations.”
And heres the kicker…they will try and say we don’t do the same thing about the PS3..yet i KNOW i have always mentioned the following Sony missteps:
-krazy Ken saying we need TWO jobs to get a ps3…
-usual bad PR from Sony at the PS3 launch/early years
-Price being held so high for so long
-Not enough launch exclusives
-took away BC on newer models
-overall early Sony “arrogance”
I can say these are the BIGGEST mis steps Sony did, they fumbled, gave 2 turnovers, 1 interception, etc…they have learned from these mistakes it seems and ever since 2008 came..they’ve done nothing but deliver exclusive after exclusive…and it has worked as evidenced by their HIGHER Year to year sales ratios in comparison to the 360..i.e they have managed to sell in 3 years what took ms 4 years…
I have also gave credit to MS for their innovations..LIVE ‘OVERALL’ is a great experience, Gears/Fable are one of my favorite franchises…
I can say this, despite being a Sony Fanboy…but im not blind the way CAD/HH are, they are blind because they CANNOT say anything negative about their MS lover…they can’t see behind MS cock/balls…
July 21st, 2010
@Jojo
I wasn’t too happy with the Killzone 2 “video”.
As much as I dig on MS, standard across the board achievements were a great idea.
July 21st, 2010
I critized Sony for taking out the rumble feature out of the controller….I’m not afraid to say what Sony has done wrong but HH will defend MS with his SOUL even when he’s wrong
July 21st, 2010
PS3 Fanboy are utterly stupid. Wow the stupid levels have hit an all time High. I don’t even know what to say nor do I have the time to expel on such stupidity. It’s a sad day for PS3 owners because their all in a upheave because basically the PS3 is going to remain in dead last place this generation for lack of innovation. They praise Sony even when Sony lies to them but will bash Microsoft for taking console gaming to the next level. Your PS3 would never be what it is if Microsoft didn’t show Sony how to bring innovation to your console and it’s basically copied innovation. All companies make mistakes but you will ignore Sony’s wrongs and bash Microsoft. That why I stick with the 360 because they are on the side of the gamer and are always doing things to keep it fresh and brings features that make sense while Sony looks at Nintendo and Microsoft and copies everything they do. I’m so disgusted with you guys that I don’t even think I want a PS3 bcause I don’t want to run into more ignorant people like the PS3 seems to attrack. Thank God they don’t pack a mic in with that system.
July 21st, 2010
Twilight
I’m glad your smart and can see through the Bullshit. Isn’t it funny how they turn on you. Don’t let the immature bunch get you down. Just be happy that your smarter then them.
July 21st, 2010
JofaMang,
Yeah, I’m a rebel and I switched sides. I’ve never been happier. I wouldn’t have it any other way. I got tired of settling for second best. Go ahead and twist the truth anyway you want to. The purpose of you revealing the so called inherent Xbox360 faults is because deep down you’re just another insecure Ps3 fanboy.
July 21st, 2010
Tell’em Twilight!!
July 21st, 2010
And that the bottom line they are insecure so they hate. That sums it all up.
July 21st, 2010
“I switched sides – I got tired of settling for second best”
and somehow you also switched from supporting “gaming software” (when you were supporting the PS3) to supporting “sales” (now that you’re a xbot) like it matter to us gamers. Sadly you have drastically change your point of view as what gaming is all about.
July 21st, 2010
Sorry I just had to laugh at the 6 feet from the TV comment.
Hey dumb ass your not suppose to be six feet in front of any TV in the first place because it will ruin your eyes. I guess that’s why you wear glasses. Good luck with that 3D. Maybe you can get some 3D perscription glasses. LOL
July 21st, 2010
@CAD
how are we insecure? you guys get mad because we listed all the Kinectic limitations:
* 10 -15 percent of the overall 360′s computing power , not just the CPU
* Speaker voice control
* Limited to 2 players
* no button
* no physical feedback
* 30fps (vs PS Eye = 60fps)
* 6ft of space required betweem the player & the cam
* no hardcore games (until 2012 as CAD said)
* Laggy
* cannot track small body movement due to the 30fps
* Minority Report UI control turned out into Mii-Too UI
July 21st, 2010
@CAD
do you honestly believe what you type are you just throwing out flame bait?
I have trouble believing anyone can be that stupid and that much up Microsofts ass.
July 21st, 2010
Speaker voice control = Single Speaker voice control
July 21st, 2010
@twilight
“The purpose of you revealing the so called inherent Xbox360 faults is because deep down you’re just another insecure Ps3 fanboy.”
So whats YOUR purpose of calling out the PS3′s faults??? Oh i remember, right now, your pretty pissed ( rightly so i might add though) about how Sony handled your whole PS3 ordeal…BUT, because of that and the fact that YOU admitted to “switching sides” because of said ordeal…your opinion gets ——> tossed out the window, because your are now considered “biased”….you even ADMITTED that you would be doing that
” from here on out im on the 360 camp” no your EXACT words, but those were your words along those lines…
July 21st, 2010
Screw you guys, im defecting. I just hooked up my Wii LMAO
July 21st, 2010
Ha ha ha ha
You got them howling at the moon now twilight!
July 21st, 2010
@CAD
“just be happy that your smarter then them.”
It’s smarter THAN them, you fucking moron.
and YES, every time you mention how stupid someone else is while displaying grammatical errors I shall call you out on it.
Then = Time
Than = comparison
Your = possessive
You’re = You Are
You’re really an adult?
July 21st, 2010
LOL @ Jofa.
July 21st, 2010
@twilight
Thanks for confirming exactly what I said. Carry on with your little performance, please, HH and CAD are ready to rub one out to your text. IF YOU DON’T WHO WILL??????
July 21st, 2010
” didn’t think Beaver was represented in kineticmals ”
Roca is giving her Beaver?
And too many winks going on between you two! LOL
July 21st, 2010
@HH – I mean this as nice as possible, but try not to attack one of the ‘pbot’ side for backing up another member of the ‘pbot’ side next time.
I like your chivalry and all, shes a lady (afa-we-k) and thats good but to try to defend what was such an obvious transformation from ‘pbot’ herself into ‘xbox’ is silly and hopefully you know it.
I must have an internal language translator in my head because all I see when she fires out the rage in her posts is ‘I lost my receipt’ repeated over and over.
THAT is why she is all 360 loving, you know it, I know it, why defend that? Because she picks your machine of choice?
I’m sure when IvanSpam was here there were those who supported him, but there were at least a few of us who mocked him for being such a jelly brained idiot also.
Anyways, as you were. Another day off work! \o/
July 21st, 2010
@jojo29 Don’t forget they suck at advertising their games.
The KB ones are good but far and few between.
hopefully that will change with Coca Cola.
July 21st, 2010
If only MS didn’t lie about Kinects abilities. If one could scan a “beaver”, and kinect could read finger movements, well, lets just say that the Xbots might be more prepared for the first piece of tail that isn’t revolted by them.
Poor Xbots. First MS takes your sensibility, then it denies you more practice than that girl that passed out at your buddy’s houseparty. Maybe thats why the girls in dresses will have to disrobe to use it, just throwing you a bone (no pun intended).
July 21st, 2010
“Twilight
I’m glad your smart and can see through the Bullshit. Isn’t it funny how they turn on you. Don’t let the immature bunch get you down. Just be happy that your smarter then them.”
Yet when she was a Pbot you called her a bitch.
July 21st, 2010
couple of two faced idiots.
July 21st, 2010
“Yet when she was a Pbot you called her a bitch.”
QFMFT
July 21st, 2010
SW
Do you not agree she was treated badly in that episode?
Regardless of how you see that how do you know she is now saying Xbox gaming is better only because her view was skewed by that?
She’s hardly alone in saying she prefers the Xbox for gaming.
Others have a different view, fair enough, but you cannot dismiss it as a sour grapes only opinion when it is a commonly held view amongst those who have owned or do own both consoles.
I accept there will be those here who claim the reverse but from what I’ve seen that is the less common view.
July 21st, 2010
Cad and HH,
Lol. I’m now the ultimate villian.
Roca,
I know you want to focus on games because you see that as one of Sony’s major strengths. Sony does have some quality exclusive titles but tastes in games are subjective. Like I’ve always stated, everyone has differrent tastes in games. The only Sony Ps3 exclusive titles that I ever got into were God Of War series, Uncharted series, and of course Gran Turismo. I haven’t changed on games. As I’ve stated in my past posts, I don’t really care for most of Sony’s other exclusive titles.
July 21st, 2010
*gasp*
Twilight is a chick?
July 21st, 2010
“Hey dumb ass your not suppose to be six feet in front of any TV in the first place because it will ruin your eyes.”
LMFAO Get a clue idiot. I always sat close to the TV as a child and never had a problem. Besides not may people use CRT TV’s today.
July 21st, 2010
Phranctoast
LOL is that all you got because you definately don’t have an argument for anything else. LOL Bitter Fanboys jelous about the 360. LOL
July 21st, 2010
“As I’ve stated in my past posts, I don’t really care for most of Sony’s other exclusive titles.” NOW, you don’t really care….sour grapes are sour grapes no matter how much HH doesn’t want to believe so…
YOu see twilight, you brought this on yourself, when YOU YOURSELF said “im switching camps because Sony pissed me off becase i was dumb enough to lose my receipt”….it happens, and again, i actually understand and agree with why your upset…the fact is, you stated such is ‘tainting’, so to speak, your opinion on anything Sony..
Just like, HDDVD losing the format war, BDA NOT knucking under the HDDVD, is the SOLE REASON HH is MS bitch, and will defend MS to no end…
to the point of saying Gold is worth every penny…when OVER 70% of the 360 user base says otherwise…
when A HIGHLY acclaimed A/V website considers the ps3 the BEST BR player on the market…
when DEVELOPERS say BR is actually NEEDED..he will say otherwise
when MORE THAN ONE CREDIBLE webites states the under performance of Kinect…
That MS was FORCED due to pending CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS to fix the RROD/disk scratching/E74 fiasco, which netted in an overall over 50% failure rate…HH will say its the best warranty, because of the kindness of MS dick…
HH will be there to defend MS to the very end…he gots to protect his precious MS balls and cock…If you want to be on HH side, and be this blind, then by all means, go ahead.
Or you can be smart, like the fahkins, carlbs, etc…who can actually bring debate, substance to a topic without having to wipe their mouths like HH from so much MS cum in their mouths..
THATS the difference between a blind fanboy sucking so much cock and taking it in the ass with no damn reach around…me? yes i am a sony fanboy..BUT, i DO NOT turn a blind eye to the following:
-Sony’s arrogance was shameful
-lack of launch titles was horrendous
and blah blah, i’ve stated what i thought Sony did was wrong so many times..
July 21st, 2010
@HH – Well Ill answer the question
Quite honestly I don’t like the practice of requiring PoP but the warranty states they will want it. Its a case of RTFM that we all should really take note of tbh. Technically MS has the same wording in their warranty but they chose the better path in not requiring it.
Would I be annoyed, yep, heck I might even go buy a 360 now that I have the excuse to go spend some more money! Would I lose a receipt for a $400 item, and then decide the CE company is a villain because I am a dimwit? No.
Anyways, of course she isn’t alone when she says she prefers the 360 but it was the overnite switch (I mean c’mon, it was like Jekyll and fookin Hyde) with comments like this from today’s thread :
“I got tired of settling for second best”
That piss me off. Really, really? She just got tired of second best eh? So she doesn’t STILL have her panties in a bunch and decided to just ‘stick it to Sony’? Fooled me.
I guess Ill just buy a softer desk to slam my head against when I read her posts. I guess that will work.
July 21st, 2010
twilight
“Lol. I’m now the ultimate villian”
Yip, that’s exactly how it works.
With us or against us lunacy…..over a bl*ody game console or CE corp.
It’s laughably infantile & pathetic.
July 21st, 2010
“I always sat close to the TV as a child and never had a problem.”
Ohh OK I guess your parents didn’t love you. I can see why. LOL
July 21st, 2010
@jojo
“That MS was FORCED due to pending CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS to fix the RROD/disk scratching/E74 fiasco, which netted in an overall over 50% failure rate…HH will say its the best warranty, because of the kindness of MS dick…”
funny thing is that wasn’t teh first time in gaming history that a company was forced o do repairs. It happened Last gen with Sony’s PS2. Too many Blue/Silver disc red errors and Sony had a lawsuit against them and they lost, same thing as MS this gen.
Its ashame really cause Nintendo makes the best system when it comes to durability. Would be nice if MS and Sony learned from Nintendo just this once lol
July 21st, 2010
is $150 for a camara okay with you HH?
July 21st, 2010
@HH
Kind words for someone who was a complete Pbot Bitch not all that long ago.
Will you stroke me if I pretend to give a shit for the 360 and start baselessly slamming sony entirely because I was stupid enough to lose the reciept for a $400 piece of CE? Because you know, I cuddle with the best of them.
July 21st, 2010
Roca
Are you blind or is it just your innate stupidity at work?
How many times do I have to say I’m waiting to see the 2nd & 3rd wave before deciding?
I may not bother at all if the PrimeSense tech comes out for a more general a/v (or hopefully) a wider household control system.
Jofa
I’m always amused at how you guys get so agitated over the refusal to adore PS3 or the most mild anti PS3 comment – and yet when it comes to constant personal abuse & 24/7. 7/7 bashing Xbox you’re either supporting it, or in there doing similar or utterly silent about it.
July 21st, 2010
@HH
are you stupid or you can’t comprehend a simple question…my question was if you thik $150 is a okay initial price for Kinect (based of what has been shown so far)?
not a hard question right? but you will rather stay on denial and ignore the question
July 21st, 2010
“t happened Last gen with Sony’s PS2. Too many Blue/Silver disc red errors and Sony had a lawsuit against them and they lost, same thing as MS this gen.”
Yup it did happen with Sony last gen…and they got the back lash they deserved…im not defending that fiasco, and thats the difference, HH will defend his MS cock to till the very last drip….
‘get so agitated over the refusal to adore PS3 or the most mild anti PS3 comment”
its actually the oppposite..its YOUR inability to see any wrong doing from MS that amuses US:
Getting ripped off from Gold
A console with over a 50% failure rate
Kinect is garnering NEGATIVE views..NOW…it MIGHT be good, but NOW, its not doing so great in terms of mind share….
DVD9 is restricting developers
HDDDVD is dead
July 21st, 2010
““I always sat close to the TV as a child and never had a problem.”
Ohh OK I guess your parents didn’t love you. I can see why. LOL”
They knew it was BS.
July 21st, 2010
“Its ashame really cause Nintendo makes the best system when it comes to durability. Would be nice if MS and Sony learned from Nintendo just this once lol”
Not really. My second one just stopped reading discs.
I’m not going to bother replacing it. The first time it was under warranty.
Any yes I had a receipt.
July 21st, 2010
6ft of “free” space is alot for most rooms, dorms, living rooms and basements.
July 21st, 2010
“How many times do I have to say I’m waiting to see the 2nd & 3rd wave before deciding?”
In other words no. Why? Because the next Gen will be out before that.
July 21st, 2010
So now I’m bashing Sony and Sony’s games because they didn’t fix my system. Nice try but no. I addressed this issue already on another post. I’m just playing the the game counter view wise. I’ve never said that I cared for any of Sony’s exclusive games other then the above mentioned games. In fact, I got in a debate with some of you because I said that Microsoft has the best shooters on their system.
July 21st, 2010
“6ft of “free” space is alot for most rooms, dorms, living rooms and basements.”
Are you saying most gamers are students and young adults? lol
July 21st, 2010
Yup it did happen with Sony last gen…and they got the back lash they deserved…im not defending that fiasco, and thats the difference, HH will defend his MS cock to till the very last drip….
Well then you can understand why Microsoft is Head and shoulders above Sony anyday. Microsfot acknowledged the problem. Yes I know they didn’t at first but they did acknowledge it and that the bottom line. They acknowledged it and gave a 3 year warrenty for the mistake. Sony on the other hand did not acknowledge it and settled out of court. No extended warrenty no nothing. Fast forward to PS3 and they still don’t houour warrenties so nothing has changed. Harry/Twilight is the example yet Harry got everything else replace for free. A 360 past the 1 year warrenty and his router. So praising to Microsoft are undeniable.
July 21st, 2010
“Poor Xbots. First MS takes your sensibility, then it denies you more practice than that girl that passed out at your buddy’s houseparty. Maybe thats why the girls in dresses will have to disrobe to use it, just throwing you a bone (no pun intended).”
LMFAO where you that girl twilight?
July 21st, 2010
“6ft of “free” space is alot for most rooms, dorms, living rooms and basements.”
Ncaissie last time I checked you live in Canada and not China. Stop talking shit. Some of your friends are probably 6 feet. You must be a midget to be talking that kind of shit.
July 21st, 2010
“Harry/Twilight is the example yet Harry got everything else replace for free.”
We have been through this before. Lightning isn’t covered by most things.
Your home insurance should cover it.
July 21st, 2010
CAD
wow, you cannot be more blind. are you going to deny 6ft (most like 6ft²) of “free” space is not alot for most rooms and that’s just the space between you and the TV you still need more room behind you to move freely
July 21st, 2010
“Ncaissie last time I checked you live in Canada and not China. Stop talking shit. Some of your friends are probably 6 feet. You must be a midget to be talking that kind of shit.”
LMAO I didn’t say it moron. But I have when I was single. Many places like that. I’m 5’10″. And what does my height have to do with floor space?
July 21st, 2010
“funny thing is that wasn’t teh first time in gaming history that a company was forced o do repairs. It happened Last gen with Sony’s PS2. Too many Blue/Silver disc red errors and Sony had a lawsuit against them and they lost, same thing as MS this gen.”
@FKSP
Now that you said it, i remember when i first joined this site, there used to be lot of debate abt this issue, there were many people who downright said it didn’t happen..
Anyways u getting crackdown 2 ??
Anyone here buying Limbo ??
July 21st, 2010
@Tosh.
They settled and didn’t lose.
July 21st, 2010
They knew they may lose and that’s why they settled
July 21st, 2010
Trying to read through all of these comments, is like trying to read War and Peace. So, I’ll just say that I love meh PS3 and Wii.
When I have the time and money, I’ll get a 360 and love that too.
Kinect… no. I’m still not interested. If/when a decent lineup of games arrives, I’ll reconsider.
July 21st, 2010
Toshi
I’m buying Limbo and I have Crackdown 2 already. Get it so we can go online. It’s massive fun online. I’m currently debating Blacklight Tango and Deathspank.
July 21st, 2010
Hey Barbnaby what’s your Wii Console #. I might have to go get this Wii Speak but we’ll see.
July 21st, 2010
Barnabe what’s your opinion of the Wii. It’s growing on me everyday. I’m pretty impressed with the accuracy of the Wii-Mote. Can’t wait for Epic Mickey, Kirby and Donkey Kong. I’m currently playing through Super Mario World and Super Mario Bros Wii.
July 21st, 2010
Wow 169 posts in an xbox article and 18 in the last ps3 one………says it all about who the fanboys are on this site lol
July 21st, 2010
Microsoft settles Xbox 360 Fall Update lawsuit
“The lawsuit had been brought by Xbox 360 user Kevin Ray, who alleged that the 2006 Fall Update had bricked his console and that Microsoft had refused to repair it”
July 21st, 2010
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EA owns Mass Effect … so, what now?by Christopher Grant on Oct 11th 2007 7:00PM
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Also discussed during EA’s BioWare/Pandemic conference call was the fate of the (thus far) Xbox 360-exclusive Mass Effect. While Microsoft is still publishing the first installment of the game (which is due November 20) – now that the previously BioWare-owned IP belongs to EA – Gamasutra notes that it “would conceivably from here out be EA published.”
If one examines EA’s publishing practices, it isn’t difficult to assume that this would also conceivably be a multi-platform title, meaning Microsoft may have just lost one of their biggest exclusives. Will we see a PS3 sequel at parity with the 360? Or perhaps a Wii version: Mass Wiifect … over a dozen minigames … in space!
Update: A Microsoft spokesperson tells Joystiq that while the publisher has not “announced specifics regarding sequels” to Mass Effect, it will be “talking to EA and BioWare in the weeks to come.” In addition, Microsoft remains “committed to the franchise’s long term success.”
Update 2: BioWare tells GameDaily that the developer’s “focus is pure and simple; it’s to deliver the best game possible for our fans with Mass Effect, and that’s an Xbox 360 exclusive.” Currently, there are no plans to extend the franchise to PS3.
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/11/ea-owns-mass-effect-so-what-now/
Its a 2007 article, i didnt knew EA bought bioware in 2007..
July 21st, 2010
Yes, EA bought Bioware – which was one of the top 3rd party supporter for Microsoft…
Bizzare Creationg (PGR Series) was 3rd party suppoter for MS and Activion bought them.
and Bungie splitted from MS to become independent and now they are partnered with Activision.
July 21st, 2010
Currently playing bioshock 2 on me PS3, Sniper ghost warrior on me 360( it sucks btw if your wondering).
Oh, and did anyone get the ‘Heading South On A White Bronco’ in RDR, I was surprised to get that one.
July 21st, 2010
“They knew they may lose and that’s why they settled”
Or they wanted to avoid the bad press. Something MS hasn’t clued into yet.
July 21st, 2010
or to save money on legal fees, laywers & court fees – which is why most company will rather settle than to continue the lawsuit…
July 21st, 2010
““The lawsuit had been brought by Xbox 360 user Kevin Ray, who alleged that the 2006 Fall Update had bricked his console and that Microsoft had refused to repair it””
LMAO What happened? Did he loose the receipt?
July 21st, 2010
“Oh, and did anyone get the ‘Heading South On A White Bronco’ in RDR, I was surprised to get that one.”
Not yet.
July 21st, 2010
I’m missing a lot of comments here but CAD, just to let you and everyone else know, all fanboys are stupid. I think you partially prove that by your illiteracy: ‘PS3 Fanboy are utterly stupid’.
Before anyone pounces on me of calls me hypocritical, practically everyone on this site is a fanboy in some way or another, with the possible exception of SW. I try not to be but that’s not for me to judge, something else that everyone on this site needs to realise. There are good games on every platform and none of the consoles are [insert abusive comment here], completely writing off something like that is probably the most fanboy defining thing you can do. I bought a PS3 and a PC because I thought they were the bet choice on my budget, I would own every console in the world if I could. Now please, do yourselves a favour and actually think about this.
July 21st, 2010
@Torn_Steel:
were fine here mate, don’t be a party pooper!
July 21st, 2010
Maybe that post was a bad idea, it would single handily ruin Gamer.Blorge. everyone comes here for the fanboy fights.
July 21st, 2010
Torn_Steel
I pretty much agree with your post. I am a fanboy, i have never denied as much. I have denied being a blind fanboy…
The two biggest Blind fanboys here are HappyHockum, the dipshit, and CAD…
They will NEVER admit MS has done anything wrong at all….they will hide that fact from distorted perceptions of “value”, and “trust”….
Me and the others, on the other hand…will and have stated that our console of preference, in this case the PS3 and Sony, have fumbled on, made mistakes, and we CALL THEM on it…this is NOT true for the two mentioned above….That is the difference, they are pretty much just mindless sheep, that MS goads and takes advantage off…just look at HH, anything that distracts him from the constant butt love MS is constantly giving him, infuriates him…to the point he just talks crap about the “bullocks pbots” without even mentioning the current topic/article at hand….
And when he’s proven wrong: he resorts to childish banter, weak sauce links…i love reducing him so though
July 21st, 2010
JoJo your so full of shit. Saty in denail my friend and STFU. Any intellegent person reading this garbage will notice right away that PS3 Fanboys are insecure and jelous of the 360 because it stole PS3 shine and left it in dead last and after this holiday season PS3 will be solidified as the looser of this generation. I know what Microsoft Mistakes are and I do acknowledge them but when you compare Microsofts mistakes to the Sony Lies, Microsoft is head and shoulders over Sony anyday. Microsft makes good on their mistakes. You can’t say the same for Sony yet you still praise them and bash Microsoft. Your being bias don’t you think. Too Bad you and the rest of the PS3 clan don’t acknowledge that and the truth is basically that your insecure because PS3 is going to be dead last and Kinect scares you because you know that it’s going to fly of the shelves. Jojo your Bias stinks so bad. Try being honest with yourself you might not look so stupid.
July 21st, 2010
I bought a PS3 and a PC because I thought they were the bet choice on my budget
Torn_steel
Just wanted to point out your Illiteracy. The word is “Best”. Just wanted to point out how stupid you are. Is a few gramer mistakes all you guys got on me. LOL Get a life.
July 21st, 2010
I’m guessing gramer = grammer
July 21st, 2010
Apparently Kinect is going to have rockband!
http://www.youtube.com/mspartner
July 21st, 2010
@CAD
Microsoft is leagues and fathoms UNDER Sony…MS is still getting lawsuits against in the EU…..so please, educate yourself before looking even more stupid…and you acknowledge msm mistakes? Okay, let’s see, we will try one example:
RROD, MS denied it, denied it till class action lawsuits were at their door steps? Yes or no? A simple question
56% failure rate…true or false?
Let’s see if you can answer without the excuses…
As for kinect/move, I personally don’t give a fuk about either one, I’ve said so in the past, learn to read dumbshit..
July 21st, 2010
it’s interesting that the min distance is 6ft but the depth sensor can go as close as 4ft. I guess the main restriction is in the max view angle of the main lens.
On a side note regarding the price, a motorized webcam such as the logitech orbit has a list price of £109 (retails for around £80 now) so I guess £129 list for kinect, which can do so much more, doesn’t seem that bad after all.
July 21st, 2010
Actually I doubt we will ever find out the true failure rate – it could be as little as %20 and as much as %60. Considering the error can obviously be traced back to poorly designed cooling and an overheating chipset leading to soldering errors with the lead-free solders I would say that the failiure rate on the first gen chipsets will likely be 90-100% over the years. As for the later chipsets this will drop down very quickly to a rate on par with the PS3 or even the Wii.
July 21st, 2010
@Rimmer
I agree, over the years, the failure rate could drop down very quickly…
July 21st, 2010
Roca
“6ft of “free” space is alot for most rooms, dorms, living rooms and basements”
LMAO
Yeah, of course.
I guess 6′ of free space is a problem in your mom’s basement, your cell, your trailer or your floating hill billy wooden shack in the Everglades.
…..now I get it, this is all a front and a ruse played out daily at the local library to make others ‘impressed’ by thinking you have that classy new fangled electricity connected.
Rimmer
Don’t humour the w@nkers.
The 50% number came from a self-selecting unverified survey.
SquareTrade had fat PS3 fail rates @ 10% and Xbox running at under 25% in the first 2yrs and Falcon were reported at less than 10%.
Jaspers were coming in at 1% (although admittedly they had been out only a short time at the time of the report…..but what they saw had them projecting a 4% failure rate).
Thems the facts, here’s the link –
http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_Xbox360_PS3_Wii_Reliability_0809.pdf
The rest is just Pbot BS and lies.
July 21st, 2010
“it’s interesting that the min distance is 6ft but the depth sensor can go as close as 4ft”
Well it would have to if you were going to be allowed to move your arms closer than the 6ft limit would it not?
I think 6ft is an OK distance. I have 6ft between my TV and my couch all while I live in 480 square feet. I could easily pull the couch back another 8 feet if I needed to.
My family home back in ol’ blighty had at least 12 maybe up to 18 feet of space in front of the TV (typical 4 bedroom detached in the West Midlands). In fact, I’d say most ‘living room’ configurations have the seating around the outside leaving a large area with a rug or something in the middle where you could play.
Still won’t be buying into it tho
Motion controllers need to hurry up & fail so that we can move onto the next gimmick.
July 22nd, 2010
@HH
Bullocks, that source is not credible…:)
See what I did there, thems not the whole truth…more than one reputable website linked to my link…
July 22nd, 2010
WHAT THE FUCK?
WHY IS KINECT SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE IN EUROPE????
I’LL NOT BE BUYING IT UNTIL THEY CHANGE THE PRICE!
July 22nd, 2010
Unfortunately square trade is not a decent determination of the 360 failure rate. I’d be willing to bet a lot of people bought the square trade warranty without prior knowledge of the 3 year MS warranty and then used that instead. (you know how much they push the warranties)
If they sold 1000 warranties, 250 were handled by ST, any additional (lets say 250) ones handled by MS would not turn up in the 25% quoted number where the truth was closer to 50%.
July 22nd, 2010
@CON
Kinetic is expensive here in US as well.
July 22nd, 2010
Happy I have no intention of humouring the pbots, but there is no denying that MS dropped the ball big time on the first gen of the 360, but they at least showed some remorse in offering the extended warranty and I suspect at least in the EU you could extend that to at least 6 years as there is plenty of proof that RROD is a known manufacturing fault. The problem with sources like SquareTrade is that they are not sufficiently representative to give an industry wide sample. I would like to reiterate though that I only see the near complete failure rate applying to the first gen 360s running the xenon and possibly the zephyr chipsets. After that things drop down to the same rates as the competition.
July 22nd, 2010
“There are good games on every platform and none of the consoles are [insert abusive comment here], completely writing off something like that is probably the most fanboy defining thing you can do. ”
@Torn
Yes there are a few (very few) good games on the 360 but what good are they when the hardware is shit?
I also have a Gaming PC which I can play most 360 games on.
Call me a fanboy all you want. That doesn’t change the fact that the 360 SUCKS BALLS like HH and CAD.
Not liking one consol doesn’t make you a fanboy if that consol really sucks (like the Wii)
A fanboy is someone who defends said POS consol like HH, CON and CAD.
July 22nd, 2010
“WHY IS KINECT SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE IN EUROPE????”
because there are a lot of retarded fanboys such as yourself there.
July 22nd, 2010
“HH, CON and CAD”
add Ivan and Kev and you have the complete list of members of the “Fanboy Hall of Fame” club
July 22nd, 2010
Rimmer
“The problem with sources like SquareTrade is that they are not sufficiently representative to give an industry wide sample”
I’ll agree with that, actually.
But a 3rd party insurance comapany’s official stats sure as hell beat an unverified and self-selected ‘survey’ any and every day of the week.
ncassie
How is the ‘episode’ progressing.
Sounds like you should be back on your meds & lying down in that darkened room again.
Roca
LMAO
Yeah right, as if there’s a ciggarette paper’s difference between your BS and Ivans.
You’re a blind & defensive a fanboy as him for your beloved Sony/PS3 – only with the most excessive fraction wound down a touch.
All day every day, 24/7, 7/7.
Big-up PS3 bash Xbox, that’s all you are here for.
July 22nd, 2010
Square Trade number were based on only 500 systems on a 6-month period….what a joke.
stay in denial, you have taken Kev’s place and CAD took Ivans. The only one who think of me as Ivan here in blorge is you (lone wolf on this one), maybe it’s because we both get on your nerves
back on topic:
Kinetic will be expensive, not only in the UK but around world….with so many limitations and no killer app to justified the price Kinetic will end up being a expensive peripheral for wii-like shovelware.
CAD posted a link which states hardcore games for kinetic will come within 18 months (2012)…maybe then I will have a different opinion about it but as of now no one can’t deny that Kinetic and its games are not looking as impressive as they said back during E3 2009.
July 22nd, 2010
“How is the ‘episode’ progressing.”
pretty good.
“lying down in that darkened room again.”
Better than the patted room you should be in.
July 22nd, 2010
patted = padded lol
July 22nd, 2010
“But a 3rd party insurance comapany’s official stats sure as hell beat an unverified and self-selected ‘survey’ any and every day of the week.”
Nope, sorry, already more than one member here has “debunked” your link nitwit….i guess, my link was more of a “unbiased” survey than your link…you even agreed that your link sucked balls….<—a perfect example of how low a level you will stoop to defend anything MS….still denying the failure rate eh? 56% HH..read it and cry like the bitch fanboy you are…
July 22nd, 2010
Roca
“Square Trade number were based on only 500 systems on a 6-month period”
That’s a lie, but where’s the surprise in you desperately skimming a report, without you actually looking at the context or understanding it, to throw something back.
What the report actually says is
“In Q4 2008, Jasper units started arriving, although we believe units purchased during this period continued to be a mix of Falcon and Jasper models. Even with this mix, we projected the 1-year failure rate to drop below 4%.
Furthermore, when looking at over 500 units purchased in 2009, fewer than 1% of customers have reported a RROD error as of Aug 2009.”
“SquareTrade randomly selected over 16,000 units for analysis”
Liar.
July 22nd, 2010
ncassie
Just becuase your fellow Pbot goons try to turn reality on its head and merely rhyme back the opposite of what was said that does not actually “debunk” anything.
The 56% number did indeed come from a totally unverified and self-selected survey.
It is, in short, less than the most feeble & laughable ‘evidence’ you lot have.
The fact that you choose to prefer this over an actual insurance company’s data just proves the level of your inverse loopy fanboy reality.
So, to be called a fanboy by you nutters really isn’t much of a jibe, in those circumstances.
July 22nd, 2010
either way, over 500 units over 8 months does not make it any more valid…thanks for showing your ignorance
July 22nd, 2010
Your link was already debunked…by more than one member here INCLUDING YOURSELF…yet here you are DESPERATELY quoting its contents again….what a sad little dipshit you are….keep the bitch-fits coming HH
July 22nd, 2010
even Rimmer had to tell HH that his link was a joke.
July 22nd, 2010
Roca
“either way”
In other words you got caught out lying, again.
That little paragraph – which is quite clearly only a small part of the overall report – was about the Jasper units (and they were completely open about it, showing precisely how many units they were talking about).
They even projected from the 1% they saw to 4% when mixed with Falcon units.
The plain fact is you’re so desperate to bash that you leapt at the number without understanding it or the context.
Typical fanboy idiocy.
…..and you prefer a self-selecting unverfied survey.
Says it all.
July 22nd, 2010
even Rimmers (a pro 360 gamer) thinks your list does not show/provide the full scale of the issue here..that says it all.
over 500 units during a 8-month period makes it even more laughable…
to make it worse, HH keep backing up the ST numbers even after he already debunked it. what a hypocrite
July 22nd, 2010
and then he tries to downplay my link…of which no one seems opposed too…not Anandtech….not dailytech…need i name more??
July 22nd, 2010
Ha ha ha ha
Keep on lying
Roca said –
“Square Trade number were based on only 500 systems on a 6-month period”
The truth –
“SquareTrade randomly selected over 16,000 units for analysis”
Liar
You little self-support pal isn’t helping you run away from this.
July 22nd, 2010
But it doesnt matter HH, your link was debunked by more than one member here…non-’pbots’ at that as well…
July 22nd, 2010
I never said that Happy’s link was false I simply said that it isn’t sufficient to give a market wide result, just like amazon’s sales figures are not sufficient to give a market wide sales result, but nobody would argue that it isn’t a good trend indicator. Here is a bit of math for you to clear things up:
Assuming the unlikely worst case scenario, where 100% of the first 5million consoles (the ones with the dodgy chipsets)will fail by the end of the year, that will still only be 11% of total xbox figures.
July 22nd, 2010
you must be a real idiot to try to mislead everyone in here…my quote was off by a few figures
500 vs “over 500″ doesnt make that much of a difference..
your link clearly states its numbers came from 16,000 units – which includes (let me break it down for your stupid blinded ass) Wiis, PS3s & 360 (Falcom & Jasper). so if you had any reading comprehension skill you would have noticed that it was 16,000 units total and not 16,000 jasper units.
in the end the end result will be the same, the results were based on “over” 500″ bought during a span of 8 months.
the link was already dismissed and debunked…why you keep wasting your time trying to twist the facts?
July 22nd, 2010
“Assuming the unlikely worst case scenario, where 100% of the first 5million consoles ”
We all know it was %100 of the first 40M consoles.:)
July 22nd, 2010
“You little self-support pal isn’t helping you run away from this.”
So when Roca misreads something he’s a liar, but when Happy misreads something (40.2 in Xbox sales by them in their fiscal report)
He made a mistake.
Be careful before throwing that word around. I’ll always be here to smack you around when necessary
July 22nd, 2010
Roca
Keep digging.
The fact is you lied.
I never once said anything about the break-down of the 16 000 sample.
I never once said or implied it was 16 000 Jaspers (in fact I was the one who provided the actual quote, moron).
You said –
“Square Trade number were based on only 500 systems on a 6-month period”
But here you are like the typical blinkered fanboy muppet you are still trying to worm out of your own lies.
You got sussed out, choke on it if you must but you got completely sussed out.
Even your attempt to twist what Rimmer said turns out to be another load of your BS.
July 22nd, 2010
we know that 50% of them were dead out of the box when it launched in 2005. the other half died within a year
July 22nd, 2010
phranctoast
You too eh?
Well go for it.
The fact is if I mistake something I’ll ask where I should be looking and what I’ve missed.
Like I did with the financial report you quoted.
The point over Roca’s repeated abuse of the stats is he always lies and then when called on it acts like a teenage idiot trying to twist his way out of it.
Even now he’s trying to confuse the 500 and the 16 000 and whinge on about something he misrepresented and refuses to accept he misrepresented it.
It’s nothing like the same but I guess you feel you have to back your tribe’s boy, eh?
July 22nd, 2010
Roca
“we know that 50% of them were dead out of the box when it launched in 2005. the other half died within a year”
That’ll be why you claim to have bought one, eh?
Hypocrite or liar?
July 22nd, 2010
whats the lie between “500″ and “over 500″? I missed a word, so what? maybe you would say I lied every time I say the PS3 cost $300, when in reality is $299.99 <- see how stupid is you "lie" arguement
either way, 500 or "over" 500 (which can be 501)is not big deal since it matters little to the actual numbers, either way it still just "over" 500 system during a span of 8 months. nothing to rave about and use it as the "actual" failure rate.
July 22nd, 2010
@Rimmer
Obviously with time the overall fail rate will go down.
If a pitcher get spanked in his first couple of games but then proceeds to throw 1 hitters and allow few runs his ERA is obviously going to go down.
A fail rate of 33%, 50% and 100% are really bad though, and I stand by my original point (below CON’s post) of not trusting Square Trade for accurate data due to the 3 year warranty.
I know too many people that buy the warranty without knowledge of one already existing.
July 22nd, 2010
@Happy,
It took you quite some time to admit you were wrong.
July 22nd, 2010
@HH
I didnt buy one in 2005, I bought it (with a gift card) in 2010, 5 years later.
you’re too easy to bait
July 22nd, 2010
“It’s nothing like the same but I guess you feel you have to back your tribe’s boy, eh?”
We are called Friends dipshit. Not that you would know what that was like.
July 22nd, 2010
phranctoast
No it didn’t.
I looked missed the part you’d mentioned, asked you where you got it from and then looked and agreed you had it right.
What I did not do was post umteen times pretending that I had not been mistaken.
Roca
Yeah of course, nevermind that that runs counter to all you BS about how Falcon & Jasper reliability was little different.
You’re a liar and a hypocrite in fact.
You’re way too easy to identify.
July 22nd, 2010
Oh the shouty brat’s back.
July 22nd, 2010
“Oh the shouty brat’s back.”
LOL I’m probably older than you are.
July 22nd, 2010
“What I did not do was post umteen times pretending that I had not been mistaken.”
Yeah you did.
In fact I remember that debate going so long it lasted past when I’m usually at home. I rarely bother to post here past 315EST.
So, if Roca tells you he’ll take a look at your link and if you’re right he’ll admit he was wrong while not really doing any such thing, that should be sufficient for you right?
July 22nd, 2010
@HH
seriously, how old are you? making a big deal and calling me a liar about something so minimal shows your immaturity. 500 vs 501 (which is over 500) is not a big deal in this case and specially when dealing with percentages, which in this case, will not drastically change the end result.
July 22nd, 2010
I’ll admit my wife calls me a big kid all the time. It’s just my personality to have fun a kid around. I like the big boy toys (RC stuff, Trucks, boats, planes, Motorcycles, Gaming, ect.)
I also look younger than I am. (36)
If you can’t take a joke get off the net.
July 22nd, 2010
37 in 2 months from yesterday!
July 22nd, 2010
phranctoast
That’s cr@p.
I disagree in a couple of posts and then when you said I was wrong & the info was there I asked you where you saw the bit I was missing.
Unlike some I did not post 10 times & more info that was wrong.
I at least can admit if I got something wrong and ask what it is I was missing and where it is.
Unlike some I do not post up tiny snippets of articles to deliberately give a wholly inaccurate impression.
July 22nd, 2010
I heard they’re changing the Kinect name to Kasual
July 22nd, 2010
“Unlike some I did not post 10 times & more info that was wrong.
I at least can admit if I got something wrong and ask what it is I was missing and where it is.”
Sure you do HH, or you just blatantly call the source non-credible….backpedaling at its best, by HH
July 22nd, 2010
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/3768/sony-kinect-cpu-usage-a-definite-problem
July 22nd, 2010
So Roca is owned as a liar when trolling an xbox article yet carries on arguing anyway lol that sounds about right.
@Norma
For a 36 year old you come across as very immature and ignorant.
Were you in this video? Ha ha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE&feature=related
July 22nd, 2010
Or maybe it was this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuKMtLOKG8k&NR=1
July 22nd, 2010
You’re as old as you feel dude.
July 22nd, 2010
I didn’t watch them but they are most likely you.
July 22nd, 2010
You sound upset. Did your 360 rrod? Lol
July 22nd, 2010
Roca.
” http://www.nowgamer.com/news/3768/sony-kinect-cpu-usage-a-definite-problem ”
Yeah Sony runs down a Microsoft product.
Well what a surprise.
The bit that they don’t openly admit with their spin tho is that Sony are worried about Kinect now, because practically across the board PS3 regularly sells less 3rd party games than Xbox, 3rd party devs will be forced to choose to go with Kinect over Move.
July 22nd, 2010
^ So far MS has shown nothing for the hardcore gamers. Maybe Sony is right (since they have already experience with this before)
July 22nd, 2010
he said she said.
It’s all good happy. Someone needs to step in an post the hypocrisy.
“because practically across the board PS3 regularly sells less 3rd party games than Xbox, 3rd party devs will be forced to choose to go with Kinect over Move.”
Lets be honest. Which out of the two “movement” experiences would you choose right now?
July 22nd, 2010
Roca
Yeah yeah yeah, the fact still stands on motion control the 3rd party devs are more likely to jump on Xbox’s Kinect than Sony’s Move.
It’s simple economics.
Xbox sells more.
phranctoast
Jeez, how many times?
I’m not buying Kinect until I see what happens further down the road.
…..but I will say this much about it, all the crying & complaint from those self-appointed ‘hardcore’ gamers just points to them targetting the correct end of the market to make this a success.
3rd party devs will also be taking note of this too.
Wii showed the way to go, at least to start.
The supposedly ‘hardcore’ stuff can come later.
Oh and by the way, I just caught the 4th quarter 2010 Microsoft results.
They posted record profits.
Interestingly even when they were clearing inventories for the new Xbox S sku their shipped numbers are up on the previous year.
Obviously though these numbers just miss out on the huge increase in sales across the USA. Europe & Japan the Xbox S has triggered.
July 22nd, 2010
You do realise those shipped numbers include the final month of that quarter where they ractically stopped shipping any Xboxes to clear the old sku inventories?
July 22nd, 2010
“Yeah yeah yeah, the fact still stands on motion control the 3rd party devs are more likely to jump on Xbox’s Kinect than Sony’s Move.”
you are wrong, there are more Move games from 3rd Party devlopers than on Kinetic:
*RE4 (Capcom)
*RUSE (Ubisoft)
*Dead Space: Extraction (EA)
*NBA 2K11 (2K)
*Raquet Sports (Ubisoft)
*Tron: Evolution (Disney)
*Time Crisis: Razing Storm (Namco)
*Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11 (EA)
*Toy Story 3: The Video Game (Avalanche Software)
*Grand Slam Tennis (EA)
*The Lord of the Rings: Aragorn’s Quest (Warner Bros.)
and those are just the ‘Move exclusives’, add all the other Kinetic/Move games….now will you admit you were wrong this time, if not, can you back up your claim? or was it made up like everything you say
July 22nd, 2010
about the FY topic, looks like Phranc was right after all……so HH will be the opposite fanboy for a month?
http://www.playstationuniversity.com/ps3-outsells-360s-2010-with-three-months-spare-4171/
July 22nd, 2010
We’ll see.
It’s simply a fact Xbox sells more 3rd party games )with very few exceptions) than when the same game is also on PS3.
I’m not surprised Sony has encouraged a handful of titles of them (sweeners on the deal?).
But as for how things are going to work out in terms of sales, well it’s all about estimation and guessing right now.
Quite how you reckon this can be something anyone can back-up either way right now is hilarious.
Desperate to parrot back again cos you got badly sussed out earlier, much?
LMAO.
July 22nd, 2010
@Happy.
It’s good you avoided that bet like the plague huh?
You’d definitely lose bet #2. Bet #1 is still up in the air until Sony post their numbers.
Can Sony beat 1.5M world wide?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=401936
Now it’s all about software, which 360 should win hands down due to the “exclusives and RDR sales” but I guess we’ll see huh?
July 23rd, 2010
What exclusives you on about phranc? What exclusives does the 360 have that will make it win hands down? The only ones I want is Reach and Gears 3. Nothing else interests me in the slightest. Unless ME3 shows itself…
July 23rd, 2010
@OS
They had a decent turnaorund this 1/4 with the 3rd party games that came out recently. RDR is a biggie.
Anyway. I’m tired and going to bed. The GF is given me hell for talking to my “Nerds” when she wants to get to bed and get some..
Silly Women.. I’m way too drink…hahha..
Goodnight gents
July 23rd, 2010
That’s no exclusive though pal, exclusives are what make consoles unique.
July 23rd, 2010
Splinter cell sold well OS.
July 23rd, 2010
“because practically across the board PS3 regularly sells less 3rd party games than Xbox, 3rd party devs will be forced to choose to go with Kinect over Move.”
I’m going to go out on a limb and call Bullshit on this one.
I’d be willing to bet that we will see more Move titles than Kinetic titles.
The reason you ask. Simple. Move is more similar to Wii. In fact I’d be also willing to bet that more motion plus games will be created because of Move.
You’re also forgetting that MS said that they will not accept Wii Ports which will seriously limit their portfolio.
July 23rd, 2010
“It’s simply a fact Xbox sells more 3rd party games”
It’s a simple fact the xbox has shit for 1st party games. As long as you have party chat that is all that matters hey?
LOL
July 23rd, 2010
“I’m not surprised Sony has encouraged a handful of titles of them (sweeners on the deal?).”
I think it is more because the devs know they need to compete for my money with games like GOW 3 and Uncharted 2. You can think otherwise all you want. You are only looking dumber and dumber.
I’m sure you would be singing a different tune if the 360 had so many great games that you had to choose the better first party games over the 3rd.
I know this first hand so don’t bother with your BS retort.
July 23rd, 2010
“phranctoast
Jeez, how many times?
I’m not buying Kinect until I see what happens further down the road. ”
You can say it…we wont make fun of you too much.
Move is better
“Obviously though these numbers just miss out on the huge increase in sales across the USA. Europe & Japan the Xbox S has triggered.”
No they didn’t.
Why do you think the 360 sold 150K more than the PS3 in June?
In fact Patcher stated that 60% of the sales for that month were reduced priced 360′s and not the 360 Valhalla. Still makes for 40%. The S or Valhalla triggered that price reduction and therefore those sales.
360 saw their sales increase and it was tracked in June.
July 23rd, 2010
phranctoast
I’m not “running” from anything, I have consistantly stated my view on Kinect.
Unfotuntaltely for you & the Pbot gang it’s not the answer you want to hear because it burts your bubble.
Shame.
As for the MS results?
Well you go ahead and believe what you want.
It’s standard practice (for all of them) when clearing stocks of the old sku that shipments drop markedly.
The formal company financial 1/4ly results are not the same as NPD.
We’ll see next quarter.
July 23rd, 2010
“The formal company financial 1/4ly results are not the same as NPD.”
Well obviously as NPD only counts North America.
These fiscal reports counts sales to retailers. They in fact show more sales than what really occurs because stock can still be on the shelves.
July 23rd, 2010
Prepping a game to run with Move takes little more than tweaking the controller profile to use the gyroscope. Virtually none of these games make use of the light globe and the camera to determine depth, so it is no wonder that there are a lot more games listed for Move vs Kinect.
July 23rd, 2010
Rimmer – “there are a lot more games listed for Move vs Kinect.”
thanks for proving HH wrong again, somehow he thinks there are more 3rd party motion games on Kinect than on Move….at least you keep it real.
July 23rd, 2010
“Prepping a game to run with Move takes little more than tweaking the controller profile to use the gyroscope. Virtually none of these games make use of the light globe and the camera to determine depth, so it is no wonder that there are a lot more games listed for Move vs Kinect.”
@Rimmer
Many use the combination of both. They showed while it uses the globe, you can hide it behind your back as a test and the gyroscope is being used as it’s estimation of placement.
It is true that Sony had to convince developers to use both, because simple wii ports make for easier ports.
July 23rd, 2010
Okay, HH current view on Kinect:
HH wants to wait till the second waves of games come out before judging it…..I.e, he is. Waiting for its “potential”…
See HH the reason you are geting ripped apart, in pretty much every thread so far, is, like you said,because of your past actions, you now deserve to be ripped apart….
We all remember you ripping, lol trying to, feebly at that, into early ps3 owners for lauding its “potential”….ah the fun it is poking holes in you
The second reason, is you stated you were more into kinects tech in the a/v world, of which you really know nothing about….
Now, I agree with you about the “potential” the motion controls can have in the a/v world….but here’s a few things.
The a/v world, in this case, has nothing to do with your gaming console now….kinect so far is a disappointment….most websites that have tested it have said as much….period, do you accept this?
Second, do you honestly believe MS, will lead a dramatic change as motions sensing would bring??? If you do, this proves two points, your brain is stupid, and you are undeniably a ms cocksucker…
Right now, MS is doing horrible….Kin is out, no more ms in the tablet market….windows phone 7, is falling drastically behind rim, apple, and now google….to top it off, when wp7 comes out, it will be missing many key features that are now standard….internet explorer is still losing market share to firefox and others, and the recent suit from the EU, stating MS, must offer the user a choice of browsers within windows will not help this…..apple just recently passed ms in net worth, while ms dropped….the only successful area ms has been in is windows 7….the entertainment division as a whole is not doing great, what with the zunes “failure”…..add to that two big heads have left ms…
Sorry my friend, ms will NOT be bringing any sort of a/v revolution…in fact, id bet it would come from the likes of sony, phillips, samsung, apple or google….ms is not even a blip on the innovation radar…
July 23rd, 2010
I hope you guys don’t get sucked into these stupid low res wii ports.
July 23rd, 2010
The Gyro is pretty much what the Motion Plus is for a Wii mote…Move will rely most on the Cam and the light globe.
The Gyro can pick up movements by just rotating your wrist whereas the Cam and the ball cannot.
it’s pretty much like Phranc said, its a combination of both (Tiger Wood’s E3 demo explained how this work pretty well)
July 23rd, 2010
Rimmer
“it is no wonder that there are a lot more games listed for Move vs Kinect”
Of course.
Move is widely seen as the simpler & lesser of the 2 approaches to this idea.
……and what sort of moron thinks anything is decided before the systems even launch?
We’ll see the level of support shaping up around 18mths – 24mths time.
Or not.
Maybe both will be effectively dropped before the 3rd year is up?
July 23rd, 2010
This made me laugh….
“Microsoft is doing horrible…”
as they announce record quarterly profits.
July 23rd, 2010
So far I haven’t seen any Move demo 1 to 1.
It looks the same as motion plus which is close but not there. Move is going to be a mii-too with more imagination in the application of it. The Wii is simply shity mini games.
The tiger woods demo was not really 1 to 1.
July 23rd, 2010
“Of course.
Move is widely seen as the simpler & lesser of the 2 approaches to this idea.”
Kind of like the 360 is to the PS3. LMAO
July 23rd, 2010
“as they announce record quarterly profits.”
For what? Windows? LOL
July 23rd, 2010
“Move is widely seen as the simpler & lesser of the 2 approaches to this idea.”
I agree, Move will be a simpler and a more natural experience for both developers and gamers when compared to Kinetic and its limitations.
July 23rd, 2010
Those profiits are due to windows 7 success, which I acknowledged….now, explain too me how their worth has been DROPPING dispshit…..explain how apple is now worth more than them….yes they are still making a profit, but losing market share across the board….
July 23rd, 2010
“explain how apple is now worth more than them”
That is a mystery just like how the wii sold the most consoles this gen. Aside from the Ipod Apple SUCKS BALLS like HH and CAD.
July 23rd, 2010
ncassie
“is a mystery just like how the wii sold the most consoles this gen”
LMAO
Yeah, it just doesn’t compute in your fanboy ‘mind’.
Just like how Microsoft can be making record profits this 1/4 when according to you lot they’ve been losing market share in everything they do for an age.
Very funny.
Unlike your childish done-to-death feeble barbs.
July 23rd, 2010
Xbox 360 is down from last fiscal year in units sold.
Sony also sold more PS3′s in three quarters as Microsoft has done in four.
July 23rd, 2010
“Xbox 360 is down from last fiscal year in units sold.”
HH cannot admit most of MS profit is strickly from Windows and other PC softwares (like Office, etc).
July 23rd, 2010
“according to you lot they’ve been losing market share in everything they do for an age.”
Please quote me on that you fuckin moron.
They are loosing gamers to the PS3. I know a few that have switched. And one that went back because she couldn’t find her receipt. Even if every one of my PS3′s died I would not get a 3shitty.
July 23rd, 2010
@HH Eat this dipshit.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9179590/Microsoft_sells_10_Windows_7_licenses_per_second?taxonomyId=64
July 23rd, 2010
“On Tuesday, Microsoft credited strong sales of Windows 7, as well as the introduction of Office 2010, for pushing its second quarter revenues to a record $16 billion — a 22% jump over the same quarter in 2009. Windows revenue grew by more than $1 billion, to $4.55 billion, according to the company.”
July 23rd, 2010
HH thought the 3shitty was making them that record profits LOL
July 23rd, 2010
Ncaissie thank you, as I acknowledged ms still making a profit DUE TO WINDOWS I would link to my posts, but for what, HH would just disregard diehard facts:
Ms has lost market share in the tablet market
Ms has lost market share in the smartphone market
Ms has lost market share in the browser market
Ms has lost market share in the search engine market
In the mp3 market……
Lost two big ceos….
Lack innovation at the companies…..
Ms remains profitable, but lost ( like 2-5%) market in the os market
Ms remains king in the document <—not sure what market Word and etc…falls in
HH if you really want evidence, look up
Dailytech
Anandtech
Arstechnica
Cnn
I'm not doing it for you…
July 23rd, 2010
Boo hoo hoo.
Record quarterly profits.
(and that’s more in a single quarter than your beloved CE corp makes in a year)
July 24th, 2010
no shit HH, no one is saying Sony makes more than MS…there you go trying to derail, what we are trying to establish is you beloved MS is not its all its cracked up to be…cry more little baby…
July 24th, 2010
“You’re also forgetting that MS said that they will not accept Wii Ports which will seriously limit their portfolio.”
So which Wii ports for Move are you really excited about phranc?
July 24th, 2010
They all SUCK BALLS like CAD an HH.
July 24th, 2010
“So which Wii ports for Move are you really excited about phranc?”
dead space extraction with The resolution bumped up. It comes included with dead space 2 on PS3.
July 24th, 2010
There’s one. Hopefully they will port some of the other hardcore titles that didn’t do so well on Wii (No More Heroes, Mad World, etc.)
July 25th, 2010
Yes, such awful news for Xbox & Microsoft…..
“Microsoft has announced that it shipped 10.3 million Xbox 360 consoles during its 2010 financial year (ended June 30, 2010). This is down from the 11.2 million units shipped in the previous year.
This brings life-to-date shipments for the console to 41.7 million units.
The Entertainment and Devices Division, to which the Xbox belongs, generated over $8 billion in revenue and profits rose from $108 million in 2009 to $679 million in 2010.
In related news, Xbox LIVE continues to grow, now boasting over 25 million members”
http://www.videogamer.com/news/41_7_million_xbox_360s_shipped_life_to_date.html
July 25th, 2010
they shipped less units because the PS3 is selling more worldwide – PS3 outsold the 360 all last year and its outselling this year too.
@Phranc
“dead space extraction with The resolution bumped up. It comes included with dead space 2 on PS3.”
one more game Move can do and do well while Kineitc and its limitation cannot
July 26th, 2010
Their lineup also wasn’t all that hot last year. It was by far the weakest lineup for any console last year. This year looks better for them with Reach, Fable 3.
July 26th, 2010
“There’s one. Hopefully they will port some of the other hardcore titles that didn’t do so well on Wii (No More Heroes, Mad World, etc.)”
No More Heroes 2 sounded really good. Maybe since it requires Motion Plus the port won’t be so difficult.
I hear Bloom Blox (Steven Spielbergs game) is also making the jump.
On a positive aspect, developers got to test the waters with the wii to see what works and what doesn’t. This will at least point developers in the right direction as to what games to bother with on a console that costs more to develop for from the start.
July 26th, 2010
I hope the port Epic Mickey..
I heard Boom Blox 2 will be out on PS3 and Wii.
No More Heroes: Heroes’ Paradise (remake of NMH1) came out for PS3 and 360 in Japan.
overall, the Move will bring the best of both worlds (Wii and Kinectic) while also pleasing the hardcore market.