PS3 reduces 8 million gap with Xbox 360 to 3.6 million
The folks at Sony must be ecstatic over its latest financial results. The report indicates strong sales for both software and hardware this past year. The report also shows that the PS3 managed catch up to the Xbox 360.
It wasn’t all that long ago that Microsoft sent out a press release declaring that the Xbox 360 had an 8 million lead over the PS3. Sidebar comment – (I never understand the logic in gloating over a lead that came about from a one year head start. Comparing sales from a lifetime perspective makes more sense).
It appears that Sony has managed to significantly shorten the gap between the PS3 and Xbox 360. The company reported that total worldwide sales of the PS3 now stands at 38.1 million units. Several days ago Microsoft announced total Xbox 360 shipped was 41.7 million units (Microsoft never reveals sold numbers).
The difference between the Xbox 360 and PS3 stand at 3.6 million consoles, which is practically a hair away in CE terms.
This holiday could be a critical juncture for both the Xbox 360 and PS3. Either the Move or Kinect could flop or succeed near the end of this year. It will be interesting to see how things unfold later this year.
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July 30th, 2010
I bet everyone at the totally unbiased Gamer Blorge are frapping their teen winkies to this news! Its only took 4 years or so to get close.
July 30th, 2010
Pretty impressive!
I think the ps3rd slim had a lot to do with this as it was like a total relaunch of the console. Makes the next 12 months very interesting.
July 30th, 2010
That’s all well and good, but going by VGChartz the 360 looks to be pulling away again with the release of the slim. Hell even Roca bought one.
July 30th, 2010
And I bet that you’re saying that from experience when it comes to the Wii’s and DS’s sales, eh Andrew?
July 30th, 2010
http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1109221p1.html
Socom 4 has been pushed into 2011.
July 30th, 2010
“Socom 4 has been pushed into 2011″
sad news indeed, but who didn’t see this coming.
All SOCOM’s have been delayed since the beginning of time.
But this Holiday’s lineup was too crowded anyways. Now that you be one less games I dont have to worry about.
July 30th, 2010
Going my VGC lmfao.
When official numbers are available we don’t “go by VGC” unless you like public ridicule.
July 30th, 2010
^LOL
July 30th, 2010
*going by*
July 30th, 2010
I don’t think Move or Kinect are going to end up selling that many units.
Kinect might sell more initially, because there seems to be more hype and intrigue around it. Unless they find a way to utilize it with better games, it’s not going to last too long.
Move might start off slower, but it has a lot more potential to be used with a wider variety of games. So it could end up being a slow burner.
Either way, I don’t think either one will end up moving units. The 360 and PS3 will probably be neck and neck for the rest of the gen.
July 30th, 2010
First Half of 2010 console sales (Jan – Jun):
US (NPD) ===========================
PS3 = 1,591,000 units
360 = 1,924,900 untis
JP (Media Create) =================
PS3 = 756,325 units
360 = 105,969 units
Worldwide (official FY numbers) ====
PS3 = 4.6 million units
360 = 3.0 million units
July 30th, 2010
I think that the Kinect will sale more initially this holiday because people are more curious about the Kinect. People see it as being something totally different.
July 30th, 2010
People have short memories.
July 30th, 2010
Sony must rue their poor performance in the US. I think it’s the perfect time to cut the PS3 to $199 and really seize the initiative.
July 30th, 2010
I wonder what would happen in Kinetic if you stood behind the player and made an extra set of arms on them.
July 30th, 2010
It would explode and kill everyone within a 10 block radius.
July 30th, 2010
“worldwide sales of the PS3 now stands at 38.1 million units”
The amusing part is that they lost money on every single one sold.
“The Entertainment and Devices Division, to which the Xbox belongs, generated over $8 billion in revenue and profits rose from $108 million in 2009 to $679 million in 2010″
h*tp://www.videogamer.com/news/41_7_million_xbox_360s*_shipped_life_to_date.html
Microsoft won’t be worried, not only is the new Xbox S & it’s Arcade variant widening the gap once more but Kinect will also boost sales too.
”
Kinect pre-orders boom
by James Batchelor commentsBookmark with Social
Microsoft vindicated as innovative controller finds its feet, quashing initial fears over high £129.99 RRP
Despite initial scepticism over its price, Kinect looks set to be a big hit.
Retailers are reporting high pre-order numbers for the device, which will be available in November for £129.99 bundled with Kinect Adventures.
In fact MCV understands one large chain has encouraged stores to secure 10 pre-orders for Kinect a day. Sources says they expect advance orders to topple half a million in the UK by launch.
”
h*tp://*ww.mcvuk.com/news/40209/Kinect-pre-orders-boom
Besides, the financials show Microsoft are in a great position, they can cut prices or (as they have been doing in europe recently) sell some great value bundle deals.
July 30th, 2010
@happy
I’m sorry but I see the £129 price tag as total bullshit when it is $150 in the US. This reminds me of the bad old nintendo days when they would continually screw over Europe.
I’ll not be buying it out of principle.
July 30th, 2010
Heres an interesting tidbit from your coveted Microsoft:
http://n4g.com/news/549067/xbox-360-slim-microsoft-to-reduce-warranty-period
Also check this tidbit out as well, i know its ‘wiki’ BUT, if you actually pay attention, they have LINKS to the actual articles to each and everyone of the failure rates..
“A second source cited that, at one time, there was just a 32% yield of one of the test production runs. 68 of every 100 test units were found to be defective”
68/100….WOW…
And overall Sony made a profit as a company….
Yes, Microsoft is still a profitable company, but the ONLY two ‘divisions’ they are NOT losing MARKET SHARE in is: the OS division, as they still hold on to 91% of the OS market, and the market for Word…
ALL other divisions are seeing LOSS in overall market share:
Internet Explorer (UPDATE: they gained some due to Windows 7, but are overall losing it)
Smart phone marekt, they are now in 4th or 5th i believe
Search Engine- ROFL Yahoo, who is partners with MS in the US, had their Japanese Yahoo defect to Google LMAO
E-book Market: The Kin was DOA….
Please, HH, please, do NOT test me in this area, as you have no idea what i do for a living…
Plus your links are all biased and not credible…bullocks!!
July 30th, 2010
“I’ll not be buying it out of principle.”
This is how i feel about the xbox 360 as a whole:
- they lied about the failure rate and only when faced with a california class action lawsuit, did they then decide to pay off and cover up their 1billion+ lie
- they charge you to play online, giving you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in return for your investments…servers still shut down, you still have frequent lag, they use peer to peer instead of dedicated servers..you still get disconnects…you GAIN NOTHING for your $50 bucks
- Lack of genre defining, TRUE exclusive, 1st party games…lack of variety…
July 30th, 2010
@CON
how are this Move UK prices compare to the US prices
Start Pack = £50
Move Controller = £35
Nav controller = £25
July 30th, 2010
Roca, do you have Starcraft 2?
July 30th, 2010
@jojo
not yet, I’ll probably pick it up later this year though
July 30th, 2010
Oh and just some random thoughts:
The overall xbot mentality here, is, although PS3 is pretty much destroying the 360 in console sales (38.7 – 41.1, the gap, shes a getting tighter) the xbots are holding out on Kinect and the Slim to “bolster” sales…and i’ll even give them a price drop…
Remember though xbots, there was a similiar situation in 2008, where Sony was able to whoop the 360s ass ALL year long…BUT, MS did a smart tactic and hit Sony with one-two combo; Gears 2 and a price drop….its saved 360 from having its ass handed to it and ms was able to keep their gap…
Fast forward to today and it LOOKS like a similiar situation: Kinect replacing Gears 2 and a price drop surprise if need be…BUT heres the thing:
Kinect is NOT an established franchise…its nowhere near the hype and scale that is Gears….so really all MS is…Kinect ( the Halo expansion…halo its a getting pretty old )
Now queue what Sony can do this year: Move is already there to counter Kinect…remember, Move doesn’t have to be as big as Kinect does…its just icing on Sony’s cake…
On top of that, we have Gran Turismo coming out November….its pretty safe to say NO GAME will be as big this holiday as Gran Turismo….
So Move + Gran Turismo + the big “3D” push…..Sony has this holiday season, i wouldn’t say in the bag, but MS will NOT be whooping on Sony this holiday season as all you xbots think…
Look, im not trying to be anti-xbox, as hard as that may seem…im just merely pointing out and trying to figure out, why are you xbots defending/praising ms, when they are not offering you guys shit this year….the only real exclusives yall have are SC, Halo, Alan…and i ll even through ME2 in there…and that is all for you this year, oh wait…another halo expansion….Gears 3 aint till next year….and remember, Kinect aint gonna have shit for games that you like, and dont deny that because even most of you xbots are like ” cant wait for kinect…in 18months we should be seeing great games…” So going by that, Kinect aint gonna be shit until 18 months from RELEASE….
Thats all, the above is just theory and some fanboy muck thrown in, agree, disagree…i dont give a crap, but in the above wall of text…there is some truth…
July 30th, 2010
@Roca
Dang, man, you need to pick that game up…ive stopped playing SSF4, SF3, BC2…its that good..
and the great part of it is…when i went to check if i need to up any graphical/sound settings…ALL my settings were already at the “Ultra” settings…gotdamn i love my computer rig….ive thrown game after game at it, and it runs anything and everything ( even the original Warcraft Orcs and Humans lol )
July 30th, 2010
CON
Well you know my view, I’m happy to wait until the 2nd or 3rd wave games show before deciding…..and by then the Kinect will be way below £129.
Unless something really rocks your world (or the deal is too good to ignore) you’ve got to be a bit daft to pay launch day release prices, almost everything but everything gets a lot cheaper in 6mths – 12mths.
July 30th, 2010
“you’ve got to be a bit daft to pay launch day release prices, almost everything but everything gets a lot cheaper in 6mths – 12mths.
See here is where your mentality is just plain..stupid…and smart at the same time…
Launch day prices…i agree with you in that, launch prices are always at their highest…BUT, it is on launch day prices that games are established, games become renowned, even legend….Halo, without selling on day one…wouldn’t be shit without its launch day sales..
The 360..wouldn’t be shit without its launch day sales…neither would the wii…starcraft 2…god of war…x game/console/ce/any product….
Now, the smart comes in, you are a penny pinching budget gamer….thats spends his “launch day” money wherever he sees fit…kudos..to YOU…
But, where you turn back into stupid ass, is…LAUNCH DAY PRICES/SALES determines whether or not a ( in this case, and especially in video games ) game/product is successful enough to continue following through….
Kinect, AT THE MOMENT, seems like a dud, despite ONE title…a dance game….who knows, it could be all it needs, the minority report controls have been debunked…so my excitement for you guys is pretty much nullified….that just leaves you back to the dance game…
To top this off, MOST, if not all, Kinect news from reliable websites that have actually tried the product, a mix of negative/positive…leaning more towards the disappointing side of the scale…
Whereas, and i’ve stated i don’t give a shit about either, Move at least has been garnering much more “positive” ‘reviews’ from the same websites….
That is all i have to go by, that is all that is out there, and going by whats out there, Move > Kinect..for the moment and that is NOT a good sign, giving we a couple months away from Kinect release…
Also, where you become a hypocrite HH, is you are waiting for “potential” kinect might have…after shitting on psbots about waiting for its graphical ‘potential’ to be realized…and it has been:
Uncharted
God of War
MAG
Heavy Rain
Lair
Metal Gear Solid
Modnation
Killzone
All have yet to be even close to topped in terms of sheer graphics and gameplay….developers have even stated they have to scale back and take out game CONTENT/gameplay in order to cater to the lowest common denominator that is the 360….
The PS3′s potential is being more and more realized….will Kinect have the same thing? Sure, but the difference is, Kinect is not expected to have great games until 18 months from when it releases…..thats a long time to wait…giving that rumors are already circulating about the next gen…i personally do not see the next generation fully fleshed out until at least 2013 is when we will see tech specs….publishers/developers are only now starting to making money and some are still losing money….until they become much more profitable a shift to newer hardware is a far fetched idea IMO…..
July 30th, 2010
@ roca,
It’s a shame, it would have been a big feather in Move’s cap if it came out as a Move launch title. But you’re right, SOCOM’s are notorious for delays.
@ phranctoast
“Going my VGC lmfao.
When official numbers are available we don’t “go by VGC” unless you like public ridicule.”
I wrote the comment re VGChartz as these official figures are more than likely before the 360 slim was released. As the only official monthly figures we get are the NPD numbers (which showed that in June the 360 beat the PS3 by 150,000 units during the 12 or so days that the slim was available that month), VGChartz is the only resource we have in regards to weekly sales. And by going both of these sources, although the PS3 has made some considerable ground from the release of the slim last year, the 360 looks to be pulling ahead again due to the release of their own slim version.
Anyway, I thought nobody cared about sales?
July 30th, 2010
@Harry
I didn’t know you were into Socom…are you getting Socom 4?
yeah it sucks that Socom 4 got delay but at least this time is Socom and not GT5
July 30th, 2010
@ roca,
I’ve never played one, but I keep hearing good things about them so I am going to give this one a shot.
hah and very true about GT5.
July 30th, 2010
“Anyway, I thought nobody cared about sales”
realistically most really don’t unless you hold stock. Some do and it’s kind of fun to chide them.
The official fiscal numbers are pretty good. Yes, they don’t show July but they show “shipped to retailers” and that number is always higher than sold to consumers.
July 30th, 2010
Has Sony really closed the gap by this much??? Not bad with the year head start and the amount of 360 consoles people have bought again due to rrod. Well everyone I know personally anyway, don’t know about every ever who has had a 360 lol.
July 30th, 2010
everyone ever*
July 31st, 2010
“I bet everyone at the totally unbiased Gamer Blorge are frapping their teen winkies to this news! Its only took 4 years or so to get close.”
lol, nice one ds. PS3 still trailing behind several years later after Sony was totally dominant last gen. Maybe by the end of this year or next they can finally catch up, if not then ten years from now pbots can still say the 360 had a year head start, with absolutely no excuse for PS3 getting spanked by Wii.
July 31st, 2010
“if not then ten years from now pbots can still say the 360 had a year head start, with absolutely no excuse for PS3 getting spanked by Wii.”
dude, who gives a shit. really, who? I’m a gamer not a share holder. yea, the xbox sold more than the ps3. but the wii killed them both, so what, what does it all mean. the world is full of idiots? hey, I could’ve told you that.
July 31st, 2010
it’s just a comment b0xel, chill dude.
July 31st, 2010
PS3! Way to Go, Idaho!
July 31st, 2010
“it’s just a comment b0xel, chill dude”
LOL
July 31st, 2010
That’s their new excuse. Once ps3 finally overtake the 360 in sales next year (early) they’ll say Sony sucks because it took so long when ps2 was so dominant. Their arguments change like the wind.
It reminds me of Yankees haters. The whole year will go bye and it’s actually about baseball. Once the yanks win the WS it turns to payroll.
Pathetic but expected.
August 1st, 2010
“Once ps3 finally overtake the 360 in sales next year (early)”…
never heard that one before… haha.
August 1st, 2010
phranctoast
“Once ps3 finally overtake the 360 in sales next year (early)”
Now there’s a bet I’d happily take you up on phranc.
What counts as “early”, March, April?
Either way I’ll take any wager you like that PS3 does not overtake Xbox 360 total sales by then.
Same terms as before if you like.
“That’s their new excuse”
Actually phranc what’s new is the funny way the PS3 gang have developed a sudden interest in sales numbers after spending so long telling anyone who’d listen that they are irrelevant.
August 2nd, 2010
last time you guys bet on something you pulled out of the bet few days after the bet was placed….
you bet Halo Reach was going to be the best looking game in 2010….why don’t you stick with that bet instead.
August 2nd, 2010
^^@Roca
Thats because all those bets resulted in HH the dipshitted hypocrite LOSING the bets….
August 2nd, 2010
Still gurning & weepin about that?
Awww diddums.
Lets see phranc back up his own words.
Nobody made him say that…..but I see from your reactions you know it’s a laughable load of BS right from the off.
“next year (early)”
I was being generous talking about March or April but “early” next year really means Jan or Feb, doesn’t it?
Which even you twerps know is ludicrous.
August 2nd, 2010
“Still gurning & weepin about that?
Awww diddums.”
^^ thats HH crying in shame that he can’t admit he lost a friendly bet, and could not deliver on it…trust his word you can’t…that says a lot about a person…HH<—he goes back on his word, thus his word means shit lol
"bulloks, worthless pbot link, "
August 2nd, 2010
2006 “next year, PS3 TEH SUPERIORZ, BLOORAY, WIFI!”
2007 “next year”
2008 “next year”
2009 “next year, SLIM RULEZ, M$ will never do that!”
2010 “next year, M$ COPYCATZORS, MOVE TEH SUPERIORZ!”
2011 “next year”
2012 “next gen”
2013 “next year”
…lol
August 2nd, 2010
CarlB
100% correct. It’s always “next year”.
Of course the only way “early 2011″ could be demonstrated is in 2011′s Q1 numbers
(when they arrive).
August 2nd, 2010
“Lets see phranc back up his own words
Nobody made him say that”
@HH
can you back up your claim about Halo Reach being the best looking game this year? nobody forced you to say that…you even bet on it but then you backed out like pussy.
@HH
“100% correct. It’s always “next year”
you are wrong, the PS3 has been selling better since 2009 and producing the best quality lineup since 2008. that barely “next year” and more of “since year X”
August 2nd, 2010
Roca
Go weep and wail your fanboy BS to someone else who might even care.
August 2nd, 2010
“next year” to actually close the gap roca, not sell better in a limited period.
August 2nd, 2010
@HH
if they close the gap next year…then good for them.
but the fact is that they have outsold the 360 all last year and is outselling them this year.
game wise, PS3 has produced the best quality lineup since 2008 and it looks like they also got 2010 under their belt.
@HH
so you want Phranc to make a bet with you after you ran away from your first bet….
August 2nd, 2010
“Lets see phranc back up his own words.
Nobody made him say that…..but I see from your reactions you know it’s a laughable load of BS right from the off.”
I’ll make the bet. First I want to to call yourself the biggest pussy in existence for backing out of all of our other ones and having no faith in your convictions.
August 2nd, 2010
*First I want you to call*
August 2nd, 2010
phranc
You screwed yourself over the last bet.
You couldn’t let it lie as just a wee bet you had to start trying to portray it as meaning something else.
Nothing “p*ssy” about it, just not playing your silly little game.
But go ahead name call if you like, wow some guy on the net said something naughty, oh you are a one!
August 2nd, 2010
So, you’re saying that when they both produce their Q1 2011 numbers PS3 will finally have outsold Xbox 360 in total world sales?
August 2nd, 2010
Roca
You can rhyme off your idiot fanboy slogans as much as you like but the fact is these things go in cycles.
PS3 just had its best run thanks to a price cut and their new slim version.
Now Xbox has it’s Xbox S version.
The Xbox S Arcade is coming very soon (with a very useful drop in price & rise in spec).
The Halo Reach Ltd Ed.s are also selling well.
Soon to be followed up by Kinect.
The gap will grow again.
As for your games BS, that sort of nonsense only workls because you continually ignore the Xboxes excellent array of 3rd party games (usually done better on Xbox too compared to PS3).
As if that matters to anyone who owns an Xbox.
August 2nd, 2010
Oh and just to add to the fun every one of those 38.1 million PS3s was sold at a loss.
Sony as a whole are barely making money after a sustained spell of large losses.
Microsoft’s gaming division on the otherhand just made almost $700 million in the last quarter alone.
Xbox S just cut their costs and they are making money, I know who I think has the best outlook for the coming year.
August 2nd, 2010
Sony’s next 4th quarter and MS’s next 3rd quarter fiscals. In real world talk that’s the end of March with us not knowing until mid to late April.
I never screwed up our last bet. You would never accept the terms. If you added what was known from japan and NPD the bet favored you highly.
August 2nd, 2010
“Microsoft’s gaming division on the otherhand just made almost $700 million in the last quarter alone.”
I guess all that means dick when Sony has the better 1st party studios out of the two, doesn’t charge for online play and has dedicated servers on games other than just EA.
Wahhhhhhhh… the competition made more money by being more anti consumer…waaahhhhhh
Where’s your baby now?
August 2nd, 2010
phranc
OK end of marchs numbers it is.
You really ought to know by now that your fanboy squalking about a few PS3 games (when Xbox has every genre well covered anyways) means “d!ck” to me.
Dry your eyes.
August 2nd, 2010
The point I’m making is, Who gives a shit about which company makes more money when all that money they make is not going into improving their internal games infrastructure.
If anything, As a gamer you should be insulted by the fact that they appear to be turning their back on their core players.
August 2nd, 2010
does that mean the Halo Reach bet is back in place?
I will find it kind of stupid to make another bet with HH when he backed out of his previous bet – which he made with his own words.
now HH….you also said that when Kinect releases the 360 will be going battlingback and forth with the Wii for first place. can you bet on it or that was more of your fanboy BS?
August 2nd, 2010
The point is phranc that Microsoft are in a better position to improve the brand.
Whether it’s by further price-cuts or having options that allow them to do pretty much whatever they like.
I really don’t care about the 1st party game situation you PS3 owners see so desperate to highlight, I understand your necessity for doing this but it’s just an obvious ploy.
“turning their back on their core players”
Pbot b*llocks phranc, pure b*llocks.
They have produced a platform with more games available on it than any other.
Games of all types and to suit just about every gamer out there.
That’s the fact of what they have actually done.
Frankly they would “appear” to be Satan himself according to you PS3 mob so who cares what ludicrous exaggerated nonsense you guys spout with rather tedious monotony.
August 2nd, 2010
Roca
We’ve already seen a couple of months numbers where Xbox outsold Wii.
No BS about it, those are the facts.
August 2nd, 2010
“Nope, not “afraid” at all, just wary of what deals may come between now & then.
I actually expect Xbox to outsell PS3 by a decent margin, Kinect will be the icing on the cake for that.
However Sony know this – and they can see their PS3 slim, despite improved sales, has not been the smash they’d hoped for.
They will respond.
Maybe they’ll choose to go back to selling their console at an enormous loss.
You never can tell, they did it once already and Xbox is proving to be a massive thorn in their side – meantime Wii is plain out of sight to them.”
http://gamer.blorge.com/2010/07/19/demand-for-the-new-xbox-360-slim-high-in-uk/#comment-132094
August 2nd, 2010
“We’ve already seen a couple of months numbers where Xbox outsold Wii.”
LMAO…those are NPD numbers and not worldwide. but either way the 360 will never catch up the Wii and will always staty battling for 2nd place against the PS3…I’m willing to bet on it!
August 2nd, 2010
So a price cut affects you how? This should be good. Remember. you’re only concerned about yourself (or at least when that suites you)
Please explain how Kinetic isn’t a decent example of them turning their backs on their core audience? There’s not one core game represented at launch.
You can not say the same thing about Move, with representation of core games left, right and center.
August 2nd, 2010
phranc
You’re geting like roca, taking a quote out of context to fake a point.
The original bet I gave up because you started waffling on about how you wanted to use it to prove a point about something else beyond the bet, so I said work away, on your own with that & good luck.
The quote you just gave was very recent & about me not betting on the recent sales numbers, not the same thing.
Price cut?
Well anything that installs more Xboxes is ultimately good for Xbox owners.
That much ought to be obvious, it’s pretty basic stuff.
Success breeds success.
Kinect?
Well here you go, once again pretending that Kinect at launch is all Kinect will ever be.
I don’t know why you lot are so obsessed and defensive about it anyway.
According to you lot it doesn’t even work properly.
So you’ll all be expecting it to be a massive flop and creating lots of irate owners wanting their money back
(except you all hoped that would be the case over the original Xbox sku’s unreliability and look how that turned out).
So why do you lot go on and on and on and on about it? You have no interest in it and you all seem to imagine it doesn’t even work.
(of course your day-dream is BS but you lot seem to believe it so why are you so consumed about Kinect…..unless of course you know your PR about it really is the obvious cr@p it is?)
Roca
When I spoke about Xbox beating Wii I’d have thought it was pretty obvious, even to you, that I was referring to those NPD numbers.
I’m just amazed that in one of the biggest markets Xbox does leap-frog into number 1 spot.
Which is more than can be said for your beloved PS3.
August 2nd, 2010
“Well here you go, once again pretending that Kinect at launch is all Kinect will ever be.”
but you are pretending that Kinect will be the greatest thing since slice bread and it will be a massive success.
August 2nd, 2010
Nintendo got the casual market and now Microsoft is going after this market as well with the Kinect system. This leaves Sony focusing more on the hard core market. We’ll have to wait and see what happens with the Kinect system down the line. The system can possibly offer games for the hard core audience but we’ll have to wait and see what the developers do with the system.
August 2nd, 2010
Roca
“you are pretending that Kinect will be the greatest thing since slice bread and it will be a massive success”
Actually no, I’m not.
Go ahead and show me where I ever said that.You can’t because I didn’t.
But of course through the prism of your tiny fanboy Pbot ‘mind’ anything that isn’t bashing away at Microsoft, Xboxor Kinect must be ‘support’ or ‘praise’, right?
I’m drawing none of your idiotic conclusions, particularly when there are so many conflicting reports and the tech is so new.
Of course you lot decry anyone saying it has massive potential but I guess you feel have to do that for your usual fanboy reasons.
Everyone else meanwhile can see it a mile off.
It gets even more hilarious when you lot start spouting off about how a 2D camera and a rather odd looking wand thingy is a complete match for anything Kinect can do and in fact it’s ‘better’.
I guess we should just leave you to your laughable delusions.
But even with Move I’d wait and see.
…although from what I’ve read it is a far less ambitious idea and being implemented on several games to varying degrees of relevance.
I just find your reflex slamming of Kinect a joke when it is not even out yet.
It is obvious at this stage that not only is it set to sell well contrary to your ridiculous claims (as the reports I linked show….that’s just fact, no personal value judgement employed or opinion offered there ) but that there are plenty of reports of people (like real members of the public type people, not PR people or those connected to a CE corp) having fun & a good time enjoying trying it out.
Interestingly some of those reports come from the non-gaming press…..which is perfect for capturing some of that Wii market that has opened up.
How thing pan out over time (and Microsoft have specifically said they will not forget about the more ‘serious’ gamer) is just another unknown, we will have to wait and see what happens.
August 2nd, 2010
you have been preaching that once Kinect is out, MS will increased the gap between the PS3 and 360. that sounds like you’re assuming Kinect will be a success.
and the fact is that Move is the best the of both worlds based on what has been shown so far.
Move supports all kinds of genre, it is crazy accurate that even Surgeons are thinking of replacing their 100K surgery similator equipment and used Move instead to save money. not to mention EA’s latest game will skip Kinect and will support Move. so Will NBA 2K10, RUSE, TRON, Time Crisis, Dead Space Extraction, and more
August 2nd, 2010
I have been basing my view on the fact that Kinect is pre-ordering exceptionally well (one retailer describing it as the best pre-order for an add-on ever).
Of course that’s nothing to you, you just high-light and whine about every negative thing you can find about it and ignore all theother stuff.
Kinect may flop but if it does it will flop after very high initial sales numbers.
…..and then say anyone mentioning the other positive stuff about it must be ‘supporting’ or ‘praising’ the item in question.
What a tired little fanboy joke.
August 2nd, 2010
Actually, I have stated that Kinect will be huge this holiday. I’m still standing behind my statement.
August 2nd, 2010
“phranc
You’re geting like roca, taking a quote out of context to fake a point.”
Which quote was that?
“The original bet I gave up because you started waffling on about how you wanted to use it to prove a point about something else beyond the bet, so I said work away, on your own with that & good luck.”
Oh OK. You’re talking about Uncharted 2 being used to gage how you would react later when Halo Reach lost. It was a fair comparison. I mean…geeze, it wasn’t even your own opinion. I was simply making a point that by disagreeing with the majority of reviewers in that instance showed that I truly would have never won that bet even If I did. Seriously..If a person can’t admit that review wise in the case of graphics are concerned U2 wasn’t the top dog then who knows what BS you would have pulled to get out of the bet. In fact, I find it a joke that you wouldn’t be able to concede defeat in that instance since it so overly favored you being wrong by every single popular media outlet and game developers themselves. But hey…I guess we already knew you were completely irrational to begin with.
SO back to the price cuts or how it affects you that MS is doing better than Sony financially.
I fail to see how MS has shown any benefit to you as an end users of their product to correlate with the fact that they are doing so well. Sure some execs are getting a raise but I truly see nothing good coming out of it for you. OK, maybe they’ll afford to cut the price more.. What’s holding them up from that? OK, maybe they’ll buy some exclusive timed DLC, but Sony has been proving to do the same thing.
All in all, MS lost their most popular 1st party game developer and they’re now 3rd party. I understand your dislike for 1st party exclusives. Not having too many to choose from can ultimately create that feeling amongst people, but you can’t deny that 1st party games are important as they distinguish themselves against the competition.
“Kinect?
Well here you go, once again pretending that Kinect at launch is all Kinect will ever be.”
My bad. I forgot you were willing to wait 2nd to 3rd gen games to determine if the product could indeed be something decent. How long is that? 1-1/2 years minimum that you’ll be waiting. That’s based on the assumption that it will take 18 months for a company to create a game. So launch games will have the 2nd gen games around that time.
It is a bit odd that your feverishly defend a product you have no interest in while questioning my intentions.
August 2nd, 2010
“My bad. I forgot you were willing to wait 2nd to 3rd gen games to determine if the product could indeed be something decent. How long is that? 1-1/2 years minimum that you’ll be waiting. That’s based on the assumption that it will take 18 months for a company to create a game.”
LMAO…
August 2nd, 2010
twilight
Well the pre-ordering wqould lend weight to that view for sure.
Back-ordered at Amazon USA already!?
Wow.
phranctoast
“I fail to see how MS has shown any benefit to you as an end users”
You should have just stopped right there phranc.
You’re never going to agree that a successful big selling & profitable Xbox benefits Xbox owners.
Fine.
But I think you’re clutching straws with that one.
Kinect?
Personally I’m happy to wait.
As for whether it is a commercial success or not we’ll know long before the 2nd or 3rd wave of games appear.
Like I said pre-ordering as it currently stands shows it’s likely to do very well.
I’m not actually ‘defending’ anything.
I’m just bored with you Pbots pretending that you know all about Kinect and your usual BS which in essence boils down to you all being convinced it doesn’t actually work anyway.
Oh and that you imagine Move with the 2D camera & wand is as advanced & capable as Kinect – and in fact is better at what Kinect can do too.
It’s hilarious.
You’re the guys leaping on every Microsoft/Xbox/Kinect thread here to BS about what you think it will/won’t do.
August 2nd, 2010
“Back-ordered at Amazon USA already!?”
No it’s not. But the question mark does mean it’s a question.
“But I think you’re clutching straws with that one.”
I think it’s a logical question. If buying up a popular studio came out of it I’d agree. If getting the next Rockstar game as a 1 year exclusive, I’d agree. Even making MMO’s free to play with Gold would be a nice start. It’s hardly clutching straws.
“Oh and that you imagine Move with the 2D camera & wand is as advanced & capable as Kinect – and in fact is better at what Kinect can do too.”
Not as advanced but way more capable. Even you have to see that. You can do a lot more with Move than Kinetic. It’s just that simple. A camera only device will have more limitations. Do you really want to debate that?
August 2nd, 2010
Phranctoast
We’ll see.
August 2nd, 2010
“We’ll see.”
18 months from now?
August 2nd, 2010
WTF would you wait and see anything for anyways, you just invent our own laughable reality where you pull stats out of your a$$ and pretend that you know something.
According to you, despite Xbox S launching in the month of July, you claim to (somehow) know that its sales are now back down to where Xbox was before it launched.
Idiot.
The Amazon lists told you that did they?
I’m looking forward to having a big laugh at you when the next lot of NPDs appear, ya loopy fanboy fantasist.
August 2nd, 2010
I wouldn’t bet on Sony this holiday season. We’ll see what the future holds though.
August 2nd, 2010
I’m sure you will, but my claim was based on Amazon since the PS3 is now ahead of your precious 360 S. I never mentioned NPD…feel free to quote or keep making shit up.
the fact is that PS3 is now ahead of 360 S on Amazon and that’s why I said the 360 S sales are back to “normal”.
August 2nd, 2010
This holdiay will be a very good one to look out for indeed:
Microsoft:
Halo
Kinect
Fable 3 (Is that this year its coming out? Correct me if im wrong)
Possible Price Drop
Sony:
Move
Gran Turismo 5
3D games update
MAG Expansion Pack
Alterier
DC Universe Online
Little Big Planet 2
The Sly Collection
Clearly, this holiday season will be up for grabs, but if the current trend continues, Sony will have caught up to MS, if HH beloved Amazon sales are accurate, and the 360S sales are…i wont say down but, plateau’ing, then i see sales going strongly in PS3′s favor…Sony simply has more game exclusives to offer…GT5 is gonna be HUGE…once people look at it, they WILL want it….
August 2nd, 2010
@ twilight@ Why won’t you bet on Sony this holiday? It’s common knowledge they have mor exclusives this holiday.
August 2nd, 2010
Oldschool,
I could be wrong but I just don’t think that Sony will be able to come out on top this holiday season. I think Kinect will be huge this holiday. Both systems are getting the big multi-platform titles. Shooter titles will be big this holiday season. It seems more people still prefer to play shooters on the Xbox360 so I give the slight edge to the Xbox360. Even though Sony has more exclusive titles, they only have one title that can really be considered a system seller this holiday and that is Gran Turismo 5. If Sony is smart, they should bundle this game with the Ps3 system. Microsoft has Halo Reach coming out. I think this game will be huge again. I expect the combination of Kinect, Halo Reach, multi-platform games (especially shooters), and the lower initial cost of the Xbox360 to give Microsoft the edge this holiday.
August 2nd, 2010
But your a fanboy/girl twilight lol
August 2nd, 2010
@Twilight
Most ppl who play shooter already have a 360 or do you think they will rebuy the system everytime a new shooter come out? and Kinect is add-on and add-ons dont sell console…they are for those who “already” own the console.
August 2nd, 2010
Roca,
We all know that the war is for the remaining market. I still give the edge to Xbox360. Add on or not the Kinect is going to sell pretty well. People are always curious about stuff they perceive to be different. Afterall, you even you got a Xbox360 to check out Kinect as well.
August 2nd, 2010
Kasual is too limited for me, my living room ain’t even big enough for it ffs! How shit is that
August 3rd, 2010
@Twilight
“Afterall, you even you got a Xbox360 to check out Kinect as well.”
my 360 is collecting dust…so far my experience with a huge disappointment. 1 out 4 of its exclusve was actually worth playng. Alan Wake, SC:C & Crackdown 2 (Demo) were all shitty and mediocre. Gears 1 is the only fun 360 game that I have (graphics not as good as PS3 exclusives) after that the system is just “OKAY” as a secondary console.
and who told you I wanted to check out Kinect?
I will not get Kinect for 3 reasons:
*its over priced
*it’s facing many limitations, even more than the Wii
*its lineup games are stuff I can get on the Wii or PS Move.
@oldschool
most living rooms dont have 6tf-8tf on free space to spare…you will not be the only one trust me.
August 3rd, 2010
“most living rooms dont have 6tf”
Too true. Many Third World living rooms do not have 6ft of space. I suppose you could live in a hut without 6ft of space in your “living room”, but I suspect most people in the target market will have 6ft of space available. Even my barracks room has that much space, hell, even my PFC’s room has that much space. We are talking about people who can afford the console, a large screen HDTV, and motion control peripherals. Most people are 5′-6′ tall, so if you want true full body motion tracking, 6′ is reasonable.
August 3rd, 2010
….ppl will have 6ft of space, but 6ft square (6ft x 6 ft) of “free” space is highly unlikely. the add the space needed for the TV or TV stand, couch, living room table. etc etc.
6ft square is too much to ask.
August 3rd, 2010
As I already stated, even I (and even my PFC’s) have 6ft of “free” space available in our barracks rooms, and that’s including a TV stand, couch, easy chair, bookshelf with drawers, and end table, no problem.
6ft is reasonable for a device that is designed for full body motion tracking, as most people are 5′-6′ tall. Even my arm span is nearly 6′. If you only have 3′ of space or less (standing room only) then you should stick with traditional controllers or the move dongle if you desire novelty. If you have enough room to move your entire body around in and desire full body motion tracking with full range of movement, then it’s likely at least 6′.
August 3rd, 2010
I bet you do CarlB…
6ft of space required between you and the TV is pretty much saying 6ft square of FREE space is required. 6ft x 6ft is too much to ask for most living rooms, basements, dorms, bedrooms, studios, apparments, etc.
The press are already making fun of Kinect because of the rediculous space requirements – saying Kinect will cost much for as most ppl will new a new house/appartment.
your the exception, not the rule.
August 3rd, 2010
Roca,
Ncaissie did because I suggested that you return the system and get a refund since you were so unhappy with the system. If the system is making you that unhappy, then why bother with it? All you do is complain about how the system is collecting dust and how the terrible the games look.
August 3rd, 2010
@Twilight
this is the first time I mentioned my 360 is collecting dust…I wouldn’t return the system because it’s over the 30-day return policy and because they have a 20% restocking fee here in Mass for CE products (that would be a $60 loss). That’s on top of the games (which I own 4) that I cannot return.
either way, my 360 was a waste of a gift, no big deal. If I wanted to return it I would have done it long time ago but I might enjoy some of its game later on… I’m not complaining about the system, Gears is fun, at least it now has Wifi and it runs quiet but so far most of the games I played (excluding gears) have been a disappointment and can be played on PC: Alan Wake, SC:C, Gears 1 & L4D2
are you really looking forward to Kinect or you just praising it because its a 360 add-on, after all you’ve said you’re a shooter fan and have been bashing the Wii because of its casual shovelware title which are no different on Kinect.
You have a PS3 and all you do is complain about it and make stuff up to praise the 360….have you thought about returning it? or you going to wait until the last day and say it died on you?
August 3rd, 2010
Roca,
Lol. First of all, I don’t make up stuff about the Xbox360 or Ps3. Your statement should probably read “I don’t always have nice things to say about the Ps3 system.” As far as Kinect goes, I just gave my opinion about how I thought the holiday sales would go. Am I looking forward to playing Kinect? Possibly. It depends on what they do with Kinect. As far as the Ps3 system goes, I never stated that I didn’t like the Ps3 system. I just stated that I preferred gaming on the Xbox360 more then I do the Ps3.
August 3rd, 2010
Lets take a look at HH’s latest hypocrisy:
“twilight
Well the pre-ordering wqould lend weight to that view for sure.
Back-ordered at Amazon USA already!?
Wow.”
Here is HH, filing his mouth with MS jizz about how Kinect is back-ordered at Amazon USA…which, if you look it is NOT back ordered at ALL….clearly HH is using Amazon as a gauge as a comparison tool…to his MS advantage…
“Idiot.
The Amazon lists told you that did they?”
Heres HH, not calling people idiots for using the EXACT SAME Amazon lists he HIMSELF is using….
Its so fun picking HH apart…yet too easy…he is a simpleton though, so its not shock as to how easy it is to make him look stupid
I have another example of his hypocrisy, that i will save for when he comments again…with his usual “bullocks! Pbots!” drivel
“I’m looking forward to having a big laugh at you when the next lot of NPDs appear, ya loopy fanboy fantasist.”
Hehe me too, you were wrong about Halo Reach’s graphics, you were wrong about Alan Wake sales, you were wrong about BR not being needed, about PS3s graphical potential, PS3 closing the gap….LMAO you just a pissant dipshitted blind fanboy whose predictions are horseshit.
August 3rd, 2010
Examples of studios favoring and preferring the PS3 and it’s PSN over XBL:
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/07/30/curve-studios-focusing-only-on-ps3-version-of-explodemon/
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/03/xbla-lead-and-gold-isnt-happening-says-paradox-ceo/
Seems like that gap may very well be closed by next fiscal year..
August 3rd, 2010
On top of that, check out IGNs latest impressions with Kinect:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/110/1108080p1.html
Here some excerpts:
Joyride: “was surprisingly difficult to control, and most of the seasoned gaming journos spent half the time spinning off the track. ”
Kinect Sports: “but for most of the time trying the ball-dodging mini-game in Adventures was spent flailing around at random. Whether this was caused by the infamous ‘lag’ that seemed to plague early demos was difficult to tell, but when you have to resort to waving your arms like a semaphore enthusiast at a rave whilst you’re trying to do something as simple as bat a ball back at the screen it can get frustrating. ”
Kinectimals: “. The system really struggled in the darkened area,”
Final Say: As it stands, PlayStation’s Move looks a much more accessible piece of hardware and the tech demos we’ve seen blew Kinect’s flailing displays out of the water.
Lets see HH blow away this link and impressions….these are NOT MY opinions, but rather FACTS of how Kinect is CURRENTLY UNDERPERFORMING…from a widey used gaming website, not some ‘non-gaming’ random website….take it as you will, but more than likely HH and the xbot gang will be extremely butt hurt…lets see HH hypocritically bring up Amazon lists/sales…
August 3rd, 2010
Carl what you being a prick for taking the piss out of my flat? Fuck you, yo self righteous arse hole. Cheeky cunt.
August 3rd, 2010
And as for your barracks having that much space? Well the Yankees do have a fucking Burger King in Afghanistan ffs.
August 3rd, 2010
Roca
“….ppl will have 6ft of space, but 6ft square (6ft x 6 ft) of “free” space is highly unlikely”
Ha ha ha ha.
I guess your hill-billy shack has its limitations, huh?
Even the terrace housing near where I live has (easily) a full 6′ x 6′ clear in their 2 living rooms and if they knock through to create one large room (which is fairly common) it is miles more space than that.
Those that don’t could easily move the coffee table.
Oh dear Roca, what a give-away.
I guess either mom’s basement is a really small one, or you’re in a tragic shoe-box in the city or is it just that your peasant shanty-town shack is just too sad?
August 3rd, 2010
oldschool1987
Be honest now, “flat” or bedsit?
Not being cheeky or self-righteous, I started off that way too for a couple of years.
August 3rd, 2010
since you are loner dipshit I wouldn’t doubt that you have that much clear space…but is a fact that most appartments dont have that much free space available to spare.
living rooms, bedrooms, studios, basements, etc, etc are always full of furniture and whatnot…and to make it worst if you are going to play with a friend the you will need much more space (in square ft) in order to have a decent experience.
Oldschool is from UK and he’s already claiming the required space will be a problem for him. I love in Boston which is know to have some of the biggest appartment out of most major city in the east side and I can tell you (and the media seems to be concerned about this as well) that 6 ft square is too much to ask for the average household.
again, you are another exception, not the rule.
August 3rd, 2010
where is he, Belfast?
Did you really want to compare city populations? Hill billy shack LMFAO!
August 3rd, 2010
Roca
Could you make yourself anymore absurd with your ignorant witterings?
phranctoast
Oh dear, you’re not serious are you?
F*ck me, I’ve heard of devotion to the cause but defending your boy over his own idiotic statements about room sizes and 6′ x 6′ being unusual is a new low.
You’re now going to try to move from his stupid romm size comment to comparing city populations?
And this relates to room sizes how, exactly?
LMFAO indeed.
Seriously phranc, a truly ludicrous gambit.
August 3rd, 2010
…..and whatever happened to the USA being well known for large house & appartment sizes?
I could understand your comment if it was about somelike Japan with it’s space issues but the idea 6′ x 6′ is a big deal for most ‘average’ home/appartment owners/renters in the US or Europe is ridiculous.
August 3rd, 2010
It was more the hill billy comment.
August 3rd, 2010
or personally couldn’t give two fucks about the size needed for Kinetic. Why would I? It’s a device obviously not aimed at any of us.
Keep the Defense Force strong.
August 3rd, 2010
here is what your average family will say:
“The 6 ft square issue in basically a non-issue. We have a great park near us, and for sure we’ll be taking this on picnics with the kids.
Everyone lives near a park.”
August 3rd, 2010
Feeble.
August 3rd, 2010
HH/Roca
Well being as how HH lives in a “TRUE” hill billy area, i can pretty much chime in here.
I live in Southern California, its pretty much the best state in the United States
a 6×6 is not too big of a deal guys…i’d be more concerned about Kinect working properly at all at this point….people will make space, just look at Rock band/Guitar Hero, people will make room…
Trust me guys, im all for giving faulty products hell, but complaining about a space requirement…is a little dubious consieering Kinect has more important problems to worry about…like it actually functioning…
And by the way HH, you dipshit, i was the one who even praised Kinetic on the whole controlling the 360 UI concept….that was the one neat feature i was actually looking forward to seeing my bro show me to use….but they took it out and replaced it with a stupid “mii-to” UI….<—if thats the case i ll take a cue from you, i say "bullocks that sucks, its pathetic"…
August 3rd, 2010
You’re still debating this space issue. As far as the space issue goes, the bottom line is people will do what is necessary if they really want something bad enough.
August 3rd, 2010
@ twilight, i guess you missed the part where i said:
“a 6×6 is not too big of a deal guys…i’d be more concerned about Kinect working properly at all at this point….people will make space, just look at Rock band/Guitar Hero, people will make room…”
Its okay, blind fanboys/girls usually just rush to post without fully reading…coughHAPPYHOCKUMcough
August 3rd, 2010
I’m going to Cali on Friday, staying there for the weekend.
August 3rd, 2010
Jojo,
Just to let you know I wasn’t talking about you. Your post was not up a moment ago when I made my post.
August 3rd, 2010
oh dang!! what city Roca, maybe we can meet up!!
August 3rd, 2010
@twilight
“Just to let you know I wasn’t talking about you. Your post was not up a moment ago when I made my post.”
oh all good twilight
no hard feelings 
because of the lack of advanced editing on the this website thats why i try to always put the person’s name im addressing
just a tip…
August 3rd, 2010
Jojo,
Lol. I’ll keep that in mind.
August 3rd, 2010
@ HH: It’s a lat you cheeky little cunt. There’s a fucking table in the way between the settee and Telly, why the fuck should I move it every time I wanna play the Kasual? I don’t have that problem now. Fucking cheeky shits.
August 3rd, 2010
Also HH it’s a 2 bedroom flat which has a living room more than big enough for me and the mrs, but not enough room to play Kasual. I’m getting pissed off with cheeky cunts on here. I bet you still live with your mummy HH? Going around and telling every one they’re from shanty towns. Fucking joke
August 4th, 2010
oldschool1987
Back on the charm pills again I see.
Look matey, I already told you I started off quite humbly but now I have a house. It’s nothing particularly out of the ordinary and it easily has room.
This all has so far studiously avoided the fact that the ‘average’ home in the US is a bit bigger than those in the UK (as is often the case in continental Europe).
The idea that space is going to be a big problem for most of the target market for Kinect is tbh quite laughable – but fully indicative of the sort of desperately lame BS the Pbot gang will throw at Kinect.
Besides, an answer to this has already been mentioned.
If you had room for the full rock band thing then you certainly have room.
For those that don’t then tough luck, maybe its not for you.
I still don’t get why the Pbot gang are so obsessed.
According to them & the links they rely on it doesn’t even work anyway.
So why the great critical noise about it every time an article on it comes up?
Who do they think they’re talking to anyways?
They all claim they’re definitely not interested and say they are definitely never are going to be interested.
They’re all certain Move is so much better.
Maybe like Roca they’re secretive little lying hypocrites and will in fact buy not only an Xbox but Kinect too.
Note how Roca has just started to claims his Xbox is collecting dust – yet his gametag proves he has been on it very recently (oh, or is this time to cue up that ‘friend’ he will now claim he has lent it to?).
For those with his gametag check out his achievements, he has so few that its obvious he’s skimming games and then claiming to know all about them, right Roca?
Care to tell everyone how well you’ve done and how far you’ve got on Alan Wake so far, seeing as you’re so full of criticism about it?
August 4th, 2010
@jojo
Long Beach, Cali
@oldschool
his will make shit up to defend Kinect.
@HH
so you’re Teammgk001 LOL…checking up on me.
I don’t have to get all the achievement to know that a game looks shitty…also achievements doesnt actually say how much time I have spent on a game because to get most of them you have to get out of your way. I’m just rescure Sarah in SC:C…she wasn’t dead after all (sorry for the spoiler) and I believe im close to beating that piece of shit of game. Gears 1 is not a long game, I believe I’m in chapter 3 (out of 5 or 6 chapters??). Alan Wake is the only one I have played very little because that game is fucking boring. I have actually seen a friend played through the game before.
I owned those games and I have not been skimming them, it just happen that PS3 gets most of my gaming time. Even ppl on my PS3 friend list will tell you I like to switch games from time to time and go back to them later on. I just got Platinum on MW2 (almost a year after it came out) – Now I’m back to playing Bioschock 2 and Dante’s Inferno (5 months after being released).
it’s good to know how far are you willing to go to defend MS…stalking ppl and making wild assumptions.
have you looked at your achievements, you barely have any achievements for most of your games – ODST = 0, Forza 3 = 25….actually, the only game you have with the most achievements is COD4 with 320 LMAO..everything else ranged from 0 – a few hundreds.
August 4th, 2010
@ROca
oH snaps im gonna be in Malibu on Saturday! Might have to setup a meeting point or whatnot!
@HH
“but fully indicative of the sort of desperately lame BS the Pbot gang will throw at Kinect. ”
GO back and readup what i had to say about that….quit trying to put words in our mouth you poor excuse for a dipshit…
August 4th, 2010
Roca
But then I’m not the one who goes around self-styling myself as a ‘serious’ gamer or the feighntly ridiculous ‘hardcore’ gamer.
Anyone who knows me on XBL knows there are periods when I’m not on for months at a time.
August 4th, 2010
faintly even
August 4th, 2010
Roca and OS,
Sorry to hear that neither of you could afford a mere 6 foot of space in your respective living areas, at least the move light up ball dongle fairie wand should be ideal for you in your hovels, and I’m sure this will be a move selling point for those with standing room only.
OS, BK is alright, but we also have Pizza Hut, Subway, and Starbucks in country lol (p.s., my “cheekiness” knows no bounds, but I’ll still invite you over for a pint any day, Semper Fi).
August 4th, 2010
I wasnt talking about me when I mentioned the space issue…I was referring to most ppl who have their gaming setup in their bedrooms, basements, dorms, studios, etc….6ft x 6ft will not be a problem for them if they gaming place is empty
as ‘computerandvideogames’ said about the space requirement:
“If true, this pretty much puts bedroom Kinect gaming to bed, especially considering the device allegedly doesn’t work when lying down either”
August 4th, 2010
I think Kinetics issues with space will only really be an issue in bedrooms. At no point in any of the bedrooms I have or lived in would it be optimal to play Kinetic.
A living room or Den now…that’s another story.
This should be fine for kInetic as they appear to want to take the family and friends party approach that would be more suited to a living room more so than a bedroom.
August 5th, 2010
“I wasnt talking about me..”
Nice. So it’s not a problem for you, not a problem for phranc, and not a problem for me… so speaking for ourselves, it’s basically a non-issue.
August 5th, 2010
but that’s not the only issue
no good games, no hardcore games, laggy, no buttons, etc etc
August 5th, 2010
“it’s basically a non-issue”
For people with space. Being that a large demographic for games are college students and dorm rooms aren’t all that large……
but again.
It doesn’t appear that, that’s the market MS is after with Kinetic.
August 5th, 2010
Agreed then, a non-issue for us three.
August 5th, 2010
I just listed my issues…I pretty sure those issues are for everyone.
August 5th, 2010
And Since no KInetic topic can be without it’s share of Move info…..
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=403046
August 5th, 2010
nice thread ^
Move will be a great motion device for some games.
Tumble, Echocrome, Under Siege & Ape Espcape are the underdog
August 5th, 2010
There we go.
It’s an Xbox/Kinect thread so the Pbots can’t help coming along to post their PS3/Move PR cr@p.
Quell surprise.
August 5th, 2010
and versa happy, and vice versa.
August 5th, 2010
phranc
Er, no.
Besides how does that work anyways?
In an Xbox/Kinect thread you expect people to talk about Xbox & Kinect.
Neither I nor any other sole Xbox owner acts like a tragic little idiot fanboy & goes into every single PS3 & Move thread posting up irrelevant links, PR and waffle on and on and on and on and on about Xbox & Kinect.
The majority of comment in just about every single Xbox/Kinect thread is from the same handful posting up irrelevant links, PR and waffling on and on and on and on and on about PS3 & Move.
It’s really really boring and it is not reflected back in reverse at all.
“Vice versa” my ar$e.
August 5th, 2010
^ Fanboy troll.
do all the negative Kinect comments (by the media) hurt your feelings?
tell me at least 3 great gaming features about Kinect!!
August 5th, 2010
both devices are coming out in a similar time frame and both are being compared on all media fronts.
Apparently we as games should ignore that.
August 5th, 2010
*gamers*
August 5th, 2010
Roca
They’re boring.
Your obsession makes me laugh, actually.
Why is it your mission in life to bash Xbox & Kinnnect 24/7?
phranctoast
Nope, I never said that.
I am pointing out that the PS3 owners are currently making the majority of posts in every Xbox & Kinect thread, almost without fail off-topic & merely to bash Xbox & Kinnect.
Youy could stick to discussing Movbe if you’re that interested in it in the Move/PS3 threads.
But no.
Every single Xbox/Kinnect thread is populated by the Pbot gang going on and on and on and on with their little saddo fanboy antics.
I know you lot hate this being pointed out
(really phranc, cleaving to a ‘freedom of speech’ defense is especially laughable, there are a ton of PS3 based threads you lot could go to. nobody is ‘surpressing’ anything.)
August 5th, 2010
I said:
“tell me at least 3 great gaming features about Kinect!!”
HH:
“They’re boring.”
glad you noticed!!
August 5th, 2010
As pathetic as always Roca.
I bet your 5yr old mates at the creche really fell about laughing at that really really rapier sharp wit & linguistic tour de force.
August 5th, 2010
“In an Xbox/Kinect thread you expect people to talk about Xbox & Kinect.”
HH…i think your brain finally melted…READ the thread topic:
PS3 reduces 8 million gap with xbox to 3.6 million…fucking dipshit…
HH, you keep posting about how boring we all are..yet here you are..posting away….
And get the fuck out of our thread, it has the letters PS3 in it…this is a pS3 thread get the fuck out…see how ridiculous that sounds? Thats how you sound ALL the time dipshit…
I bet your dad just looks at you, in his basement, and just shakes his head in shamefulness….
August 5th, 2010
“Why is it your mission in life to bash Xbox & Kinnnect 24/7?”
Why don’t you fucking get a clue and take your pathetic attempt at trolling us, and take it to the following person(s)/organization(s):
IGN.com
Dailytech
Anandtech
Arstechnica
Youtube
Microsoft
GamerBlorge
Gamesradar
WHO HAVE ALL REPORTED HAVING KINECT ISSUES, such as it:
-being Laggy
-unresponsive-
-generally NOT FUCKING WORKING as adverstised….
We are basing OUR theories/predictions/opinions OFF OF THOSE sites…sites that are credible, reliable, and pretty much unbiased ( well, most of them were anti-ps3 up until ’08)…
HH, i love making you look like the stupid blind dipshitted fanboy troll you are
August 5th, 2010
“tell me at least 3 great gaming features about Kinect!!”
We will probably have to wait until we get our hands on the actual product itself to judge, but right now I would say:
1. Gaming without a controller.
Many would say this is also it’s greatest weakness because of “no buttons” “!!”, but it can also be it’s best strength. Why? Because for the majority of games that are already out for consoles, the traditional controller works best. For the rest, there will likely be a few that Kinect will just “feel” better with, if developed properly.
Fitness, dance, and sports titles are just the beginning. You don’t need a controller for these, and perhaps having one (like say, Move) would actually be detrimental in some. Move will also still have it’s place in some, and I’m not dooming it to mediocrity, but you asked specifically about Kinect.
2. New games.
Yes, it may take a while, but we will eventually see new games developed beyond the genres mentioned above that are designed from the ground up for Kinect. Child of Eden looks to be one of these, along with Sonic Riders. These games (the two mentioned here could also be flop first attempts) are almost always the best kind for any platform bringing something new to the table, whether it be Wii, iOS, DS, Move, etc. The kind of game that rises to the top on unique platforms is the one that utilizes that platform’s unique core design best.
3. Less time wasted.
Eventually, customization will be a key to this peripheral. If I am a gamer, I don’t want to have to go through the same process several times just to get to the game I want to play. Walk in front of the camera, it recognizes me and my presets for gaming, automatically turns on, then jumps right to the game I desire to play so I can start playing? Sounds good to me. Not to mention not having to mess with recharging the controller/batteries/dead batteries/wires, more clutter from extra controllers, etc.
August 5th, 2010
Vary good Carlb
Exactly what was asked to others.
August 5th, 2010
@carlb, all very interestin points, and points to look forward too. But, here’s the current situation, along with “theories” or, for HH the dipshits case, what can “potentially” happen, given the current events, these theories have at the very minimum, SOME validity, to take serious:
1. No doubt, gaming sans controller could prove extremely revolutionary….and might I say, fun…No one here is really, denying that point…if implemented correctly….but just as you said, it’s its greatest strength, and weakness…but judging by the current media stream and EXPERIENCE…(caps are for the dipshit HH to understand) it seems more of a weakness…they need to get the damn thing to work…
2. Yes, but here’s the thing…even if all goes well, there is an expected 18month delay before any “good” game is delivered…quite a while for something that is being hyped as 360s 2nd coming…..here we are mere months away, 3 to be exact, before it releases….and near finished games/kinect are flopping before our very easy….guess what happens to 3rd party support if this thing proves not to work?…no devs, no games…
3. I don’t really care for such a feature, as is, I turn on my ps3 (or your 360) pop my game in, hit x, wait for load screen….kinect, I believe, you will turn on system….wait to get scanned…..hope it recognizes you….boot up the game up..seems to me the only step saved is putting in a game…which you will have to do anyways right? So in actuality…it would have added a step….as it is now…the controller is you, and its recognized as soon as the system is on…from my couch…this is how it looks now:
Get home—turn on system via controller–insert game–hit x to start game…done
Now it looks like this:
Get home–yell 360 on—get scanned–insert game–wave hand to start game….
An extra step….mind you that’s if someone doesn’t run in the background and yells 360 off…
August 5th, 2010
Oh and in the traditional scenario I can sit down…and the kinect scenario, again, going by current media streams…you’d have to be standing up buck naked to get scanned…I kid, I kid…but you would still need to add the stand up step…again only going by current media streams
August 5th, 2010
Butt* naked hehe freaking pre-text…
August 5th, 2010
“ary good Carlb
Exactly what was asked to others.”
LMAOO….HH couldnt even come up with any good kinect features because there are so few.
even those listed by CarlB are just more fanboy wishes than anything else:
1. Gaming without a controller.
that’s actually a limitation because it will limit you gaming experience…even Fable III won’t use Kinect at launch.
2. New games..
or more Wii-too shovelware but worse. All its game are unimpressive.
3. Less time wasted.
actually more time wasted..a simply click of a button is faster and more convenient than anything kinect offer. Even SingStar offer a better & faster voice command feature than Kinect.
August 5th, 2010
I’ll like to stand out and say.. at least CarlB tried.
Debatable stuff sure.
I for one welcome answers that differ from a shit load of descriptive adjectives followed with the “Pathetic” finale.
August 5th, 2010
No phranc I already gave perfectly reasonable answers mentioning everything CarlB with the exception of less time wasted.
The problem was you preferred to keep up the trolling and back your boy in his trolling.
Same old same old.
August 5th, 2010
Ooops
that should of course read “mentioning everything that CarlB just did”.
August 5th, 2010
“but judging by the current media stream and EXPERIENCE…”
Which one? There several articles that also praise the Kinect experience… here is just one, and I can link to more if you desire:
(Forza w/Kinect)”damned if it doesn’t work well and feel good. I was able to make subtle corrections to my steering, and I performed very well on my run… Even more impressive was the fact that even though I was standing in front of three or four people and photos were being snapped, the Kinect was smart enough to focus only on my movements. Very cool stuff. (It’s tricky to tell just how sensitive the Kinect camera is, but while playing the Your Shape game from UbiSoft on another level I noticed the virtualized, three-dimensional depiction of me included my media badge moving on my chest as I swayed, and the camera could see finely detailed objects such as my sleeves and collar. The tech is certainly impressive, and the way it was able to sense my movements during the Yoga workout in order to give me pointers was amazing.)”
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/06/driving-forza-with-the-kinect-looks-silly-feels-great.ars
August 5th, 2010
“there is an expected 18month delay before any ‘good’ game is delivered”
By who? You? As far as I’m concerned, Your Shape and Dance Central look like good games, although perhaps not “hardcore” still something I could enjoy and get some fitness benefit out of, and they are getting positive hands on previews so far. Are there going to be some initial flops? Sure. Are there going to be some initial successes? Sure. It’s highly unlikely that every single piece of software for it will “flop” as you say and all dev support dries up, but if it does you can bet that I’ll be one of the first here to admit I was wrong. And an 18mo wait for a better game experience? You’re kidding right? Look how long GT5 fans have been waiting. Non-issue.
“I turn on my ps3 (or your 360) pop my game in, hit x, wait for load screen…”
I guess you have a different system? I already have my settings to “auto-start” for a disc inserted. What actually happens when I insert say… Demon’s Souls, is that the system starts, then goes right to “What’s New on the UI”, I then pick up the controller, turn it on on and wait for it to be recognized (hopefully it has a full charge), then navigate over to “game” on the XMB, then navigate down to the disc on the XMB (or the actual game- 1 out of several- that I already have on my hard drive), then hit x and wait for it to load.
Much better just to insert the disc and stand in front of the camera, or simply say the game you wish to play if it is already inserted or on the hard drive. No wires to recharge, no batteries to recharge, no controller to pick up and worry about the charge, no menu to navigate through, etc.
“Wii-too shovelware but worse”
If you are going to relegate all planned and future unannounced games designed specifically for Kinect to this category, then you might as well do the same for Move’s titles. Either way, it’s still an ignorant statement.
August 5th, 2010
Non-physical controllers should only be complementary
“If, however, console gamers were able to make various seated body movements—such as head movements, facial expressions or perhaps eye gestures—that were converted into in-game commands, I would be very interested in these alternate forms of control. My main problem with the current motion-control trend—outside the obvious part that requires me to get up and move during my otherwise relaxing gaming time—is the inherent further lack of control options. What is just over a dozen physical buttons on a current-generation console controller is further limited by whatever gestures are recognisable by the motion capturing device.”
http://www.popsci.com.au/2010/08/non-physical-controllers-should-only-be-complementary/
August 6th, 2010
^ CarlB just owned Roca ^
Ha ha ha ha.
August 6th, 2010
“What actually happens when I insert say… Demon’s Souls,”
I have to assume the system freaks out and says something along the lines, of are you sure, you realize you have hardly played me
August 6th, 2010
and I’d say, I’d play you more if I didn’t die every other five minutes you stinking grindfest of a game
August 6th, 2010
blorge.net.
Jofa has lots of helpful info.
August 6th, 2010
@Carlb
“By who? You? As far as I’m concerned, Your Shape and Dance Central look like good games, although perhaps not “hardcore” still something I could enjoy and get some fitness”
This was from your buddy HH the dipshit’s mouth not mine….he was the one who stated he’d wait 18 months to see soemthing good….
““I turn on my ps3 (or your 360) pop my game in, hit x, wait for load screen…””
It was just meant as a quick step, i have my discs to autostart as well”
It was more or less a potshot at the current Kinect problems is all Carlb
“then you might as well do the same for Move’s titles.”
I have at least…only one game looks decent, and its that sorceror game
August 6th, 2010
Fair enough jojo… I also thought sorcery looked decent, hopefully it turns out to be something significantly better than a Wii-Harry Potter.
August 6th, 2010
@Carlb
Its good that at least you can understand that the media streams about Kinect have been mostly ‘negative’, that is, showing how glitchy the thing is CURRENTLY….
Also, unlike HH the dipshit, it seems you noticed it is NOT PBOTs making up the articles but the gaming PRESS….and that its how Kinect is performing CURRENTLY…
Now, if HH the idiot had any type of reading comprehension whatsoever, one can deduce from the above statement the following:
The gaming PRESS is finding Kinect flaws..in its CURRENT form..
In its CURRENT form, kinect is a mess..BUT, MS does have 3 months to ‘fix’ it up….meaning it could very well be a worth product….
August 6th, 2010
The gaming press is also finding praise for Kinect in it’s current form (as linked above), it’s not all one sided, and it’s not a “mess” for every title.
Also, many of the criticisms being mentioned here are turning out not to be accurate and based on only glimpses of certain prototype games, or games in environments that are not suitable for motion/voice recognition (i.e. 100+ camera flashes going off, large crowd noise, etc.).
Another interesting rumor being spread is that it is unable to detect subtle movement or individual fingers… and it looks like that might be debunked also:
“The depth camera is then able to recognize even the subtlest of movements, including the minutia of ASL finger positioning.”
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/111/1110976p1.html
August 6th, 2010
Cheers CarlB.
I knew there’d be at one or two others able to see the usual Pbot one-eyed selective anti-Kinect BS for the biased fanboy garbage it was.
August 6th, 2010
@HH
“I knew there’d be at one or two others able to see the usual Pbot one-eyed selective anti-Kinect BS for the biased fanboy garbage it was.”
Yes, there has been SOME positive news surrounding Kinect, but more than not it has been NEGATIVE you dipshit…
Also, quit being a whiny ass bitch and pinning the MEDIA STREAM on the “pbot gang”, we are only repeating what has been posted already…
AT LEAST carlb was able to post a VIABLE tech link, via Arstechnica instead of resorting to your usual and pathetic “pbots ganging up on me” whine…
Hehe, its funny, even Carlb understands and sees why your constantly ‘pbot ganged on’…your posts are utter non-sense…you sit here and call people hyposcrits for posting links and articles, that have apparently no credibility to YOU, then you go and post articles from various ‘non-gaming’ sites…..fucking hypocrit.
Anywhoo KUDOS for Carlb for understanding WHY everyone here is giving flak to Kinect, he can at least acknowledge why the flak is being shot out, YET, he managed to post an INFORMATIVE link, disputing such….unfortunately theres more sites saying it doesn’t work, from IGN and such, than the other way around…BUT AT LEAST carlb, you gave us something of substance as to at least say hey, let me check it out, without having to resort to HH the dipshits comments…<—see HH the dipshit, this is how debating is done, carlb and myself having a difference of opinions, concurring points on BOTH sides, without even name calling…you unfortunately need to EARN that type of respect
good luck
August 7th, 2010
Bha ha ha ha
Oh boo hoo hoo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I
August 7th, 2010
hahaha
i’ve made you stoop to such low heights…keep it going dipshit lol
August 7th, 2010
Keep weeping your sad f*ckwittery, it just makes me laugh, you saddo stalking little creepshow.
August 7th, 2010
Keep siniking even lower dipshit, I’m glad i elicit so many different emotions…and calling me a stalker…pot said to kettle…oh and your hypocrisy is showing along with your lying nature : I don’t even read your pposts” apparently you do dumbshit…
Again, this is a public forum, and if calling you out on your dipshitted, hypocritical, yet sad, comments makes you want to call me a stalker, then so be it, it only shows how much I’m beating your ass in these forums, how devastating my counter points are to your failure to spew nothing but hate for anything Sony…
Oh and your welcome, I’m glad I was able to prevent you from slitting your wrists, as I apparently can control your emotions
Your nothing but a blind fanboy
and the fun part is everyone on blorge knows this, your blind fanboyism is exposed….
August 8th, 2010
You’ve “exposed” nothing but you own ludicrous arrogant fu*kwittery and cry-baby antics, bawling your eyes out cos I won’t give you the time of day.
I’m laughing at you you pathetic stalking creepshow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I
August 8th, 2010
Keep crying little bitch, keep crying your pathetic little eyes out lol
You still haven’t even brought any tangible comment related to the topic, instead you attack me lol we all know why though, because I was able to shut you down!
Cue and Insert HH youtube liink…your so predictable lol
August 8th, 2010
What a silly little arrogant boastful deluded t!t.
Boo hoo hoo.
Weep on f*ckwit.
August 8th, 2010
lol keep on bitching little girl
you can’t even back up anything you try and debate with myself, because its way too easy to shut you down…
Its funny your the only one who resorts to such pathetic comments, i’ve had meaning debates with carlb, twilight, CON, even CAD….the meaning? Its not ME thats the problem, its YOU, the dipshit, obviously!
Cue one of HH pathetic, and meaningless rants:
August 8th, 2010
Of course “it’s me” you tedious moron.
I’m the one who called you for the fanboy twerp you so clearly are and have ever since treated you with the derision you fully deserve.
Which is what you can’t stand and hence your boring little leg-humping puppy-dog stalking idiocy.
Weep on cretin. I’m laughing at you.
August 8th, 2010
“you for the fanboy twerp you so clearly are and have ever since treated you with the derision you fully deserve.”
Im the fanboy? Yes, your fucking moron, i even stated as much, only, i at least can have a civil debate with the links of Twilight and Carlb,and im not blind like you are, probably from having MS’ balls in your face 24/7.. most recently even with CON and CAD all of us, whom represent the extreme opposite sides of the fence, have been able to have civil and even meaningful disputes…you on the other hand, rub everyone one the wrong way, which why you can’t stand being the black sheep of Blorge, where even your own 360 fanboys really can’t stand your posts…..its not US or them thats the problem, its your dumbass that is….everyone sees this but you, which is more than enough to make me sit back and just laugh at your dumbass….LOL
“Which is what you can’t stand and hence your boring little leg-humping puppy-dog stalking idiocy.”
You assume i actually care or let your comments interfere with my RL…which is not true, when i do check blorge i just browse and enjoy mocking you so, because quite obviously, i ACTUALLY bother you in RL…
Remember,. YOUR the one who stated you don’t bother to read my posts, yet here you are, retorting to them….hypocrisy at it’s best ROFL at you!!! lol
“Weep on cretin. I’m laughing at you.”
ROFL, and the rest of the entire Blorge community just will take solace in laughing at your constant hypocrisies…Heres me…LMAO at your expense…LMAOS!!!!
I at least post things of actual value and substance, as evidenced by myself, carlb, cad, and even CON having actual disputes, looking at each other’s points, and either acknowledging or agreeing to disagreeing to them…your comments on the other hand…i can just laugh off as blind, ms cock sucking. biased-non sense..ROFL!! Happy Sunday dipshit!!
August 8th, 2010
Let’s all watch and see what HH has to post….remember folks, he doesn’t “bother” to read my posts, yet constantly retorts to them..he constantly bashes and labels all “pbot” comments as “pathetic” and he even states he is “bored” with our comments..yet here he is, posting away about how our comments are “anti-360″ how our comments “bore him” how our comments are nothing but “pathetic pbot drivel, bullocks”
Yet here is, whining and bitching about pbots posting on, what he calls and absurdly thinks is a “360 only” thread, which is posted on a GAMING website…somewho HH has it in his stupid ass brain, that 360 is ‘seperate’ from the gaming community and should merit its own website…to which i concure, it should be in a website labled “RROD, and the people who still buy them .com”
HH, your the village idiot of blorge..how does that label make you feel? <—?? I'll wait for your answer..
August 9th, 2010
funny watching HH getting owned by Jojo.
August 9th, 2010
Ha ha ha ha
Funny watching Roca – the biggest PS3 troll here – try to back his idiot pal up.
August 9th, 2010
Jojo couldn’t “shut down” a running tap without a ton of safety equipment and the assistance of several ‘care workers’ supervising.
August 9th, 2010
Pffft, was that you attempt at “bagging” on me HH? No sir, I HAVE shut you down, using your own words against you…
But your right, using your “tap” analogy, your right, I couldn’t shut you down….MS plugged you up years ago lol
August 9th, 2010
sorry HH but jojo is right, most of the time ppl use your own troll comments to make you like an ass. They don’t even need to go out of their way becasue you make it so much easier for them.
it’s funny tho, whenever they quote you on some stupid troll comment you ignore it and try to change the topic or you start posting some childish insults
August 9th, 2010
“Jojo couldn’t “shut down” a running tap without a ton of safety equipment and the assistance of several ‘care workers’ supervising.”
You must of cringed just writing that. That by far was one of the dumbest insults ever and I believe you even realize that.
August 9th, 2010
@phranc
Lmao, that is exactly what I thought…and that’s coming from the person the insult was aimed at…..it just goes to show HH the dipshit, had nothing on me, he couldn’t bring anything to back himself up regarding the topic at hand, so he resorted to insulting me directly, then when I beat him at that….he came up with his…”insult”…..
Unfortunately, his insult says more about him than myself…..as stated by roca and myself….its just way too easy to use his own words against him…its actually getting pretty sad now….
August 9th, 2010
Weep on ladies.
I’m sure in your own minds your incredible clever.
Shame about the witlessness.
August 9th, 2010
HH
And you thought your insult was “witty”??? Lol, cry on dipshit, let’s see what other pee wee herman level jokes you can bring to the table….rofl!
August 9th, 2010
“let’s see what other pee wee herman level jokes you can bring to the table”
LMAO!!!!
August 10th, 2010
LMAO
The Pbot support group in action. Pathetic.
August 10th, 2010
^^
Awwww, is little dipshit HH sad because no one likes you?
Cry more HH, cry more
August 10th, 2010
LMAO…now everytime I see a comment from HH I picture Peewee Herman voice and retardness