Molyneux talks about Milo molestation and early Kinect failures

August 8, 2010

Molyneux talks about Milo molestation and early Kinect failures The brains behind Microsoft Game Studios Europe and Lionhead gave a rather interesting interview recently. He talked about all things Molyneux which spans Fable and onto the Kinect.

 

Kinect challenges for Fable III

Peter Molyneux gave a rather honest interview with Joystiq recently as he talked about some of the work he has been doing. Molyneux admitted that Kinect support for Fable 3 has been postponed because he just wasn’t satisfied with the early gameplay prototypes.

Molyneux stated:

We did some prototypes and we had those back in March, April, May, but then we were looking at those prototypes and I just asked myself — and I blame myself for not putting it in, to be honest with you — and I just said to myself, ‘Is this what people would expect Kinect to be in something like Fable?’ And the answer, quite frankly, was ‘no.’

Then he said something quite surprising as he exclaimed, “We’re still working on that stuff, we’re still adding stuff to it and, as I said, I think the future for Kinect and Fable is probably bright.” I have to say that Molyneux doesn’t sound that confident about Kinect on Fable.

Lionhead studio seems to be the leading devs pushing Kinect and if they are starting to get disillusioned by the implementation of the tech to ‘hardcore games’ then where does that leave everyone else?

Milo Molestation

In another interview with USA Today, Molyneux also talked about the challenges of bringing Milo to life. After what seemed like conflicting statements with Aaron Greenberg, Molyneux has finally lined up his story with the rest of Microsoft.

As to before when Molyneux called “poor” Greenberg confused, he is now stating that Milo and Kate is just a “big tech demo.” He stated, "I don’t think of it as a released product at the moment. I still think this is a very, very big tech demo. I don’t think of it as something that would be a boxed product on the shelf."

He goes on to say, “The reason for that is it is enormously contentious for us to do a game, a story, an experience, about a boy. You are immediately appealing to all the dark thoughts of humanity.” What??

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I didn’t realize that thoughts of child molestation were a major hurdle for many in the gaming community. He further explains that movies like Up have been successful despite being about a boy living with an old man.

If this is the reason Microsoft is giving Molyneux for not green-lighting Milo then he may want to go back for another talk.

275 Responses to “Molyneux talks about Milo molestation and early Kinect failures”

  1. harry sachz:

    I see where he is coming from. In this day and age, a grown adult talking to a young boy tends to make people think that he’s got some sinister motive, even if he does not.

    Now Limbo is a different kettle of fish, getting a young boy impaled, drowned or decapitated by a bear trap is perfectly normal.

  2. gunstar:

    “You are immediately appealing to all the dark thoughts of humanity.”

    Give me a break! Is Molyneux gay or something?

  3. harry sachz:

    What does that comment have to do with homosexuality?

  4. phranctoast:

    “getting a young boy impaled”

    I think that’s exactly what Molyneux was talking about ;)

    Great! Now I’ll have happy crying for months. Lol

  5. harry sachz:

    hahaha damn you’ve got to be careful with what you type here.

  6. ncaissie:

    Ivan must have emailed MS looking for Milo.

  7. FahKinSuPah:

    #1 Thing to say to Milo

    “It rubs the lotion on it’s skin”

  8. ncaissie:

    Ms should release it but have Milo report back if any pervs try that stuff and report it to the cops lol.

  9. FahKinSuPah:

    #2 thing to say to Milo

    “HEEERRREE COMES CARLOS!”

  10. ncaissie:

    Lol

    http://www.spartansstandtall.com/

    The new gow on psp will be released on nov 2nd.
    Why are they releasing so many fuckin games on the same day?

  11. ncaissie:

    You are should have started with #5

  12. Roca.:

    “early Kinect failures”

    ^ I hope HH doesnt go crazy about this…

  13. Roca.:

    “The new gow on psp will be released on nov 2nd.
    Why are they releasing so many fuckin games on the same day?”

    LMAO….I thought the same when I heard about it.
    what is with Sony and November 2nd??

  14. FahKinSuPah:

    @ncaissie

    Ok, no problem

    #5 Come here little boy. Want some candy?

    #4 Have you seen my COCKer spaniel around here anywhere? He’s lost.

    #3 Don’t worry my son. I’m a priest.

    #2 HEEERRREE COMES CARLOS!

    #1 It rubs the lotion on it’s skin

  15. Roca.:

    -> “I have to say that Molyneux doesn’t sound that confident about Kinect on Fable.”
    =======================================
    -> “if they are starting to get disillusioned by the implementation of the tech to ‘hardcore games’ then where does that leave everyone else?”

    With each passing day, Kinect’s limitations are starting to come out of the closet

  16. twilight:

    “Why are the releasing so many games the same day?”
    It’s to drive you crazy Ncaissie. Lol.
    It’s going to be another fully loaded holiday season for games again.

  17. Roca.:

    all other games games are pretty much spread out, even if is just by a day or a week.

    but Sony is releasing 3 of their games the same day, on November 2nd. GT5, DC Universe Online and God of War: Ghost of Sparta

  18. ncaissie:

    And I want all 3. I will preorder dc and gt5 then it won’t look so bad to the wife lol.

  19. Roca.:

    LOL…I will definitely get GT5 & DCUO day 1

  20. Barnabe Jones:

    “postponed because he just wasn’t satisfied with the early gameplay prototypes”

    So much for all of the endless potential of Kinect.

    Molyneux has a really bad track record with making bold claims based on nothing but hype. That’s why I’m not surprised they used him as the Kinect spokesperson.

  21. twilight:

    Roca,
    I guess Sony is going in for the kill.
    It’s going to be an interesting holiday. I still give the edge to Microsoft but we’ll see.

  22. ncaissie:

    Sony is putting out all these great games and ms only has reach.
    All you retarded xbots will say ms sold more because the one “good?” game sold more.

    Right twilight?

  23. ncaissie:

    Aside from shitty kenetic and halo reach what edge does ms have twilight?

  24. Roca.:

    They are relying on Rare’s killer app.
    Kinect Sports ;)

  25. Ultima:

    Blind folded fans

  26. Happyhockum:

    So Kinect and Milo are still being worked on and figured out.
    Is that really meant to surprise anyone?

    harry’s right btw,
    Western culture is really screwed up on the whole sex and violence thing.
    (and who was the weirdo who first put those 2 together, eh?)
    Lots of gaming violence & killing is considered great fun in a world full of violence and killing but anything that might be even remotely connected to sexuality – especially the highly unusual and uncommon (in a world where that sort of behaviour is rare and highly unusual) gets so many worked up and distressed.
    Weird.

    As for games.

    Wow, you’d have thoiught Sony would have learned from last time.
    Dilute your efforts releasing a stack of games at once and none of them makes much money.

    Meanwhile Reach is going to be massive.
    Count on it.

  27. Happyhockum:

    ….and Reach will make Microsoft (‘s already highly profitable gaming division) a stack of money.

  28. Roca.:

    “Wow, you’d have thoiught Sony would have learned from last time.
    Dilute your efforts releasing a stack of games at once and none of them makes much money.”

    Wrong again HH, Sony, as a Publisher, made more money than MS in 2008, 2009 and now in 2010. I think that’s one of the advantage of having that many first party studios, they are not afraid to have a crowded release window.

  29. jojo29:

    And the sky is blue HH…your point??? Nice “prediction” clown…

    And just now profitable…please, I already showed you up on the MS business….how many times are you gonna throw that in there? No shit, MS is profitable soley on W7….if 7 didn’t do as great as its doing, MS a a WHOLE, would still be making mountains of money…..maybe minus like 1-2 mountains, they simply have too much market share, but, if current trends continue, MS could finally lose market share and then lose profits….its already happening on most fronts….

    Get off ms dick already HH…let’s recap your past failed, stupid predictions:

    Wifi not needed
    Br not needed
    Br dying
    Alan wake getting goty
    Halo odst looking better than uc2

    That’s just a sample of your past, idiotic, FANBOY posts….

    Damn, its fun making you look stupid using yer own words

  30. jojo29:

    @Roca
    Provide a link or he won’t believe you…wait…even if you did…he would just shout it down….

    Well, I for one would rather have a holiday season full of a variety of awesome first party titles…than just one….its called choice..sony gives it to you..

    It also shows whose the cash cow here…MS is betting on its loyal sheep to buy up, yet another weak ass halo expansion, prob with another price drop along with kinect…

    Sony, truly has the gamer in mind….sony could easily stretch out its titles, apparently, going by ms’s example, over the course of 4 years….

    What’s funny, is, the dipshit HH apparently only plays CoD…..not even a ms exclusive….all that shit talking…and he don’t even back his own shit up….games I’m currently cycle through:
    BC2
    Modnation
    GoW3
    SSF4
    Warhammer
    Starcraft2

    Hmmm on console 50% of my games are sony exclusives atm, while 50 is on multiplats….a much better percentile than HH the dipshit…that’s not even when gt5 hits..or twisted metal….

  31. Barnabe Jones:

    In other news, Eye Pet was released almost a year ago in EU.

    If Kinect was such a versatile tool with “endless potential”, surely Molyneux would have implemented it into Fable 3.

    The fact is Kinect is a lie. Due to its system taxing requirements, it’s only use will be for the most basic casual games (still priced at $60 btw).

  32. Roca.:

    @HH
    “Reach will make Microsoft a stack of money”

    and why should we care? as a gamer I will rather have a stack of games to choose from…the more the better.

    2011 looks even more crowded….it will be another nice year for us PS3 owners while you xbots will have to rely on Gears and Halo on a yearly basis.

    2011 PS3 lineup:
    *Killzone 3
    *Infamous 2
    *Twisted Metal
    *Socom 4
    *Sorcery
    *Motorstorm Apocalypse
    *Last Guardian
    *Agency
    *Final Fantasy 14

    don’t worry HH, at least you can bet CoD8 will be out next year.

  33. Barnabe Jones:

    Sure Halo will do well. But you’re detracting from the topic at hand once again: Kinect’s short comings and failures.

    After its release this is probably going to be a topic which keeps coming up.

  34. Barnabe Jones:

    you’re = HH btw ;)

  35. ncaissie:

    Lol guess I started something. Sorry lol not!

  36. twilight:

    Ncaissie,
    Yes,I think Halo Reach will be big this holiday. It is only one game but the scope of Halo is massive. My mom has even heard of Halo and she doesn’t know anything about video games. The only big hitter that Sony has that can compete with Halo is Gran Turismo and I don’t think it will be enough to put Sony over Microsoft this holiday. The only way I see this changing would be if Sony would do a price cut on their system this holiday. I don’t see Sony doing this. I think the combination of Kinect, Halo Reach, and the blockbuster multi-platform games that are coming to both systems will give Microsoft the victory this holiday.
    HH,
    You can get away with violence but better not show any sex or it stops the show. America’s culture is so funny like that.

  37. ncaissie:

    Lol we figured that bj lol

  38. CAD:

    Roca why do you keep jumping around and changing your story? You look like a complete idiot on this page which is nothing surprising anyway.

    Roca’s comments prior to Happy saying something.

    “The new gow on psp will be released on nov 2nd.
    Why are they releasing so many fuckin games on the same day?”

    “LMAO….I thought the same when I heard about it.
    what is with Sony and November 2nd??”

    all other games games are pretty much spread out, even if is just by a day or a week.

    but Sony is releasing 3 of their games the same day, on November 2nd. GT5, DC Universe Online and God of War: Ghost of Sparta

    Roca’s comments after Happpy responds

    “Wow, you’d have thoiught Sony would have learned from last time.
    Dilute your efforts releasing a stack of games at once and none of them makes much money.”

    Wrong again HH, Sony, as a Publisher, made more money than MS in 2008, 2009 and now in 2010. I think that’s one of the advantage of having that many first party studios, they are not afraid to have a crowded release window.

    Then the classic comes out of Roca’s mouth.

    “and why should we care? as a gamer I will rather have a stack of games to choose from…the more the better.

    2011 looks even more crowded….it will be another nice year for us PS3 owners while you xbots will have to rely on Gears and Halo on a yearly basis.”

    This is classic because Roca call the 360 Bloated for having to many games and now this comment. LOL Nice Fanboyism Roca. LOL LOL LOL

  39. ncaissie:

    “The only big hitter that Sony has that can compete with Halo is Gran Turismo and I don’t think it will be enough to put Sony over Microsoft this holiday”
    In the words of the late great John Marston
    “I haven’t heard so much shit come out of one mouth!”

  40. ncaissie:

    “You can get away with violence but better not show any sex or it stops the show. America’s culture is so funny like that.”
    Lmao sex with little boys is ok to you?
    You are sick.

  41. ncaissie:

    “This is classic because Roca call the 360 Bloated for having to many games and now this comment. LOL Nice Fanboyism Roca. LOL LOL LOL”

    Hey dickhead no one said it was bloated from games. It is bloated with shity apps.

  42. Roca.:

    @CAD
    I never complained about, in fact I said down below that I will get both the day 1…I was just pointing out that the release day of 3 major Sony title.

    as I sad before, the more the better.
    you keep waiting for those Halos and Gears, I’ll be playing alot more games. LOL LOL LOL

  43. phranctoast:

    @twilight

    Of course Halo will be big this year. I’d bet GT5 would outsell it for the year but GT5 is coming out in November and Halo Reach in September. Lifetime sales though will go to GT5 if past sales of Halo games vs GT games are any indication.

    I don’t think Halo Reach will attribute any “big win for MS console as far a sales are concerned”. Why would it. Anyone who’s a Halo fan already has a 360..amirite?

    GT on the other hand is WAAAAAAAY more in place to sell consoles than Halo Reach. The logic for that is simple. There has not been a Full GT release this generation yet.

    GT is easily the most anticipated game of the year.

  44. Roca.:

    @CAD
    “This is classic because Roca call the 360 Bloated for having to many games and now this comment.”

    twisting my comments now? pathetic
    I called the 360 UI bloated for having so many ads built-in to it. In fact, I’m not the only one saying this:

    “Ever since the New Xbox Experience was first released, Microsoft has been hard at work making it as big of a mess as possible. They’ve hacked it up into disparate pieces, diluting the front menus so that important functions are layers deep or too many clicks away. How many people, really, honestly, use that horrendous coverflow Friends area to sift through their friends list?

    The other problem is that Microsoft has taken functions of the dash and made them their own apps, the most recent offender being Destination Arcade. *It’s a bloated*”

    http://www.playeronepodcast.com/2010/08/03/11-things-thatd-make-xbox-live-better/#more-1182

  45. phranctoast:

    A racing game, an MMO, and a action button masher for a portable system hits on so many different game type genres that it’s acceptable.

    You also don’t need to buy them all on the same day. It is the Holiday season. Some of these games can be gifts.

    I’m more concerned with October personally.
    -Vanquish
    -Castlevania
    -Force Unleashed 2
    -Medal of Honor
    -Enslaved

  46. phranctoast:

    “Namco Bandai flight franchise returns to Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 next year, trailer shows helicopter battles, destructible environments.

    Ace Combat fans can get ready to fly the unfriendly skies once again, as Namco Bandai today announced Ace Combat Assault Horizon for release on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Set for release next year, the game will be the first console iteration in the series since 2007′s Xbox 360-exclusive Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation.

    Namco Bandai confirmed single-player and online multiplayer options for Assault Horizon, but few other details were given about the latest effort from series developer Project Aces. A teaser trailer suggested the game will be a rebirth for the franchise, with one quickly glimpsed text message at the outset promising, “This one’s a game changer.” The clip showed dogfights through downtown skyscrapers that jettisoned debris when struck with missiles, helicopter battles, and turret-gunning sequences.

    While a new Ace Combat hasn’t been seen on consoles in nearly three years, the series has since appeared on the handheld radar a couple of times. Last year saw the debut of Ace Combat Xi: Skies of Incursion for the iPhone, while the PSP receives its second installment of the franchise, Ace Combat: Joint Assault, later this month.”

    http://www.gamespot.com/news/6272780.html

  47. Roca.:

    I used to love Ace Combat back during the PS1 and PS2 days…

  48. twilight:

    Ncaissie,
    I was not referring to child molestation but apparrently you’re the only one sick enough to think this. Unlike you, I don’t consider child molestation something to joke about. I was making the general statement that unlike most countries America is more liberal about violence and more conservative about sex.
    Phranctoast,
    The same thing could be said about the Ps3. It goes both ways. Most gamers have purchased the Ps3 to play Gran Turismo as well. I’m not saying that Gran Turismo will not do well. I just don’t think it will be enough for Sony this holiday.

  49. CAD:

    Sure Roca, that’s why games like Limbo, Hydro Thunder Hurrican, Monday Night Combat, Castlevania: Harmony of Despair, Blacklight: Tango Down, Crackdown 2, Deadliest Warrier: The Game, Darkstar One: Broken Alliance, Ancients of Ooga, Tomb Raider: Guardian of Light are coming or already launched. But I guess there are no games on the 360 to play according to you.

  50. ncaissie:

    Try sticking to the topic if you are going to comment then.
    Try reading the fucking title.

    “Milo Molestation”
    What the fuck did you think they were talking about? Gow sex scene?

  51. Roca.:

    most of those games are XBL games….lmao
    it’s sad to see you digging through a bunch of downloadable games to a list as big as the list of PS3 exclusive. If I start listing PSN games your pathetic list will still comeout short.

    PS3 – It Only Does Limbo ;)
    http://kotaku.com/5600511/little-big-planet-does-limbo

  52. Happyhockum:

    Barnabe Jones

    “Kinect’s short comings and failures”

    You mean Kinect has not been perfect all through every stage of its development and in all circumstances?
    Wow.
    What news-worthy insight.
    Don’t be so silly.

    CAD

    The Pbot claim that XBL “is bloated” = has a ton of stuff on it and to it.

    phranctoast

    “GT on the other hand is WAAAAAAAY more in place to sell consoles than Halo Reach”

    Oh no, not the ‘console seller’ argument getting wheeled out again is it?
    What a load.
    The price cut is what spurred the recent PS3 sales, they have yet to genuinely have 1 single genuine ‘console seller’.

    Halo on the otherhand is a proven console seller & coupled with Xbox S (and the imminent Xbox S Arcade) is a sure thing to see a significant sales spike in not only the Halo game sales but the console sales too.

  53. jojo29:

    @CAD
    We are referring to first party games….all the multiplats count each other out on both systems…which leaves only the exclusives to differentiate the two consoles….use common sense please?

    Also, because sony is releasing so many exclusives, expect multiplats to sell better on 360….I mean other than Halo/kinect…ms doesn’t offer anything else….look at it like this:

    Ms:
    Multiplats
    Halo
    Kinect
    Maybe a price drop

    Sony:
    Multiplats
    Gt5
    Move
    Gow psp
    Dc universe
    Etc….

    Sony right now, just offers more….

    @twilight
    Nope, the same can’t be said for ps3….a LOT of people have yet to pick up a ps3 because there has been no gran turismo….

    Also, and this trend has proven true, 360 users are more liikely to pick up a ps3 just for gt5 than ps3 owners are to pick up halo….

    Which do you really and personally think has the power to do that? Gran Turismo or Halo???

    Halo is on its….3rd iteration this generation, and yes they sell well to the 360 crowd…but, Sony is still closing the gap…..must not be the system seller they hoped it would be eh?

    God of War 3, Uncharted 2 plus the slim was more than enough to rally 360 users to purchase a ps3….this site is proof of that…I’ve yet to even hear of a ps3 user that bought a 360 for halo odst….halo reach won’t do it, it fails to look better than what’s out there….mgs is the low becnhmark…and halo has yet to catch that in graphics let alone uc2/gow3/killzone…but I digress, it will sell..

  54. CAD:

    Roca

    Games are games dude regardless of Disk or Download. I proved you wrong again and that’s the bottom line.

  55. twilight:

    Ncaissie,
    what are you talking about? Most of the comments have nothing to do with the topic headings. You even go on about stuff that sometimes has nothing to do with gaming or the topic at hand. This is what makes it interesting.

  56. CAD:

    “The Pbot claim that XBL “is bloated” = has a ton of stuff on it and to it.”

    Happy

    Percisely Happy. Such Hypocrits we have to deal with on a daily basis.

  57. Happyhockum:

    Once again the Pbot gang swarm all over an Xbox/Kinect thread.

    I think they’re in denial.

    Just go out and buy one & get it over with why don’t yous?

  58. jojo29:

    ahhh the dipshit HH opens his trap again, here we go!

    @HH
    “You mean Kinect has not been perfect all through every stage of its development and in all circumstances? Wow. What news-worthy insight. Don’t be so silly.”

    The thing is due in less than 3 months idiot….it still having problems, and now, one of the VERY few developers MS has, has nothing but negative news about it…even having problems finding how to implement it….this coming from Kinectss biggest voices….learn to fucking read dipshit…

    Also, before you pathetically retort, bear in mind, MS could get this fixed up, we have only CURRENT events to go buy and as of right NOW, it doesn’t look good for kinect…

    “Oh no, not the ‘console seller’ argument getting wheeled out again is it? What a load. The price cut is what spurred the recent PS3 sales, they have yet to genuinely have 1 single genuine ‘console seller’”

    Lol,that’s because Sony has more than one: Uncharted, Killzone, God of War 3, MAG, Modnation, plus the slim….all managed to chip away at the ms gap….now down to 3 million units….Sony is doing something right….GoW even managed to switch 360 only people to ps3 on this very website….get a clue dipshit

    “Halo is a proven system seller”…..well judging by Sonys/Ms console sales….that doesn’t seem to the case…really, after this Halo, I will safely assume, Halo has reached its stagnation point….when Halo 3 came out, it was all the news here at work…odst…nary a whisper…heck, even halo wars got more attentiom at work…you think reach is gonna change that?? I tend to take real world word of mouth more seriously than the likes of you…

    I think MS’ real sales this holiday will come from Kinect….which is countered with Move, and a price drop…something I don’t see Sony matching…but then again, they aren’t trying too, instead, it seems they are beetting on their exclusives to spur and maintain sales throughout the holidays, to stall their price drop for next year….when MS has ONLY kinect titles and gears to look forward too….Sony is playing it very smart…next year alone:

    Infamous
    Twisted Metal
    Killzone 3
    Killzone secret title
    Team icos game
    Plus price drop?
    Final fantasy vs

    MS gap is as good as closed….

  59. Happyhockum:

    Bha ha ha ha.

    So predictable.
    There goes the little attention whoring twerp.

    Try reading this slowly.

    I’m not going to do anything but laugh at you and scroll past your laughably verbose patently idiotic fanboy prattle.

  60. jojo29:

    @CAD
    I guess you just want to end up like HH man, use common sense, the 360 UI, from what I’ve navigated using my bros 360, is sorta messy….BUT, I’ve always stated, the UIs on both system comes down to user preference…its too subjective for me to say it sucks, instead ill say: its not for me, there’s some neato features I like, but overall I prefer the xmb…easy as that, UI preference is just that, preference, don’t turn it into a fanboy slugfest…

    There’s some great things about the 360 UI,its very “lively” hehe weak pun I know, which can make it seem bloated, whereas the XMB is simple, yet can be viewed as boring and desolate…also, I dig how the 360 handles installs and firmware updates…but I love that can customize the XMB UI…

    Wow, look at that, I managed to praise MS, rip the PS3….all in one post…a fanboy I am, a blind fanboy I’m not, HH is the blind one here, as I said, he might see the light once he moves ms balls out of his face…

  61. jojo29:

    Go ahead and laugh away little bitch, scroll down, knowing you cannot bring anything of substance to blorge…I’m glad I’ve made you look so stupid, you are now afraid to post ;) now we can all laugh at you :P again, and again

  62. twilight:

    The year of the Ps3 argument has been thrown around forever. We are years into the life cycles of the consoles and the Ps3 is still playing catch up.

  63. Roca.:

    they are arguing again an issue that even the media has noticed..

    ““Ever since the New Xbox Experience was first released, Microsoft has been hard at work making it as big of a mess as possible. They’ve hacked it up into disparate pieces, diluting the front menus so that important functions are layers deep or too many clicks away. How many people, really, honestly, use that horrendous coverflow Friends area to sift through their friends list?
    The other problem is that Microsoft has taken functions of the dash and made them their own apps, the most recent offender being Destination Arcade. *It’s a bloated*””

    http://www.playeronepodcast.com/2010/08/03/11-things-thatd-make-xbox-live-better/#more-1182

  64. Roca.:

    @Twilight
    “The year of the Ps3 argument has been thrown around forever. We are years into the life cycles of the consoles and the Ps3 is still playing catch up.”

    Why dont you give some thought to what you’re going to say before you actually say it.

    Year of the [insert system] is based on its games, its lineup…The PS3 has produced the best quality gaming lineup since 2008 all the way to 2010. 2011 looks to be going Sony’s way once again. it all started in 2008 back when MGS4 came out and Sony has not slow down since then.

    The ones playing catch up is MS who has to force one of their most expensive studio to develop a ‘Wii Sports’ rip off for Kinect. Game wise the 360 simply cannot compete against the the PS3. 20+ talented studios [Sony] vs 3-5 okay studios [MS]. this is not even debatable.

  65. Happyhockum:

    twilight

    They are just proclaiming their taught ‘belief’, the shock they cannot seem to accept is that PS3 will never rack up the success of PS1 & PS2.

    By the standard of what has happened previously no year is ever ‘the year of the PS3′.
    The best they can reach for is to pretend that a brief period of better sales than Xbox is what is meant by 20** ‘being the year of PS3′.

    Of course it’s a nonsense but it’s the best they have.

    Roca

    So some people in thew gaming industry bash XBL?
    So what?
    Once you work out who their biggest advertisers are you’re a long way to working out where they’re really coming from.

    The fact is that XBL offers a ton of content.
    Some people find that “confusing”.

    …..or at least Ivan was prepared to publicly say it confused him.
    There’s just no helping some people who are determined to bash away no matter what ridiculous position they then have to take in doing that.

  66. twilight:

    Roca,
    I agree that the layout of the Ps3 is much more simplified over the Xbox360′s dashboard. It is quicker for most people to get to where you want to go on the Ps3 because of the Ps3′s dashboard. Xbox live is just more lively then Ps3.

  67. Happyhockum:

    Yeah, main topics and sub-topics.
    Folders and sub-folders.

    It’s all so incredibly complicated & confusing.

    Not.

  68. twilight:

    HH,
    It’s the same old boring argument. Xbox360 is going to extend its lead again over the Ps3 this holiday making it that much harder for the Ps3 to come back.
    Roca,
    The Ps3 has an excellent library of games but it just hasn’t been enough. The Ps3 is the more reliable hardware but yet people keep buying Xbox360′s over the Ps3 system. Ps3′s online play is free yet millions of people still pay for Xbox360 live. Ps3 has the most diverse line-up of games but people still keep buying Xbox360′s catalog of games over the Ps3 exclusive games. Xbox360′s handful of exclusives still outsell most Ps3 games.

  69. ncaissie:

    They were talking about the topic twilight.
    You are back to twisting the truth again.

  70. Roca.:

    no one ever said ppl will stop buying 360s, in fact ppl are still buying PS2s…the sales argument is a moot point when ppl buy their system to play games, so the ‘year of…’ should be based on games just like metacritic, ign and others have been awarded the PS3 with the ‘best yearly lineup’ since 2008.

    The fact is that ppl will still keep buying 360s, PS3 and Wiis but no one can’t argue that the PS3 is the one system who’s been producing the best quality software lineup since 2008.

  71. Roca.:

    Twilight seems to be stuck on sales…I wonder how big is her cut.

  72. oldschool1987:

    Microsoft will definitely win with sales again, that’s just the norm. But wait and see which games get the higher rating on Metacritic because that’s what really matters, the games, not the sales. The only people who should care about sales, is the people who are going to get that money, why are you twats so interested in how much money something makes? Seriously wait til the games are out and i bet Sony will win in the ‘SCORES’ department, which is what is important …not sales ffs.

  73. Rhino:

    Pew (lag lag lag) pew

  74. twilight:

    Ncaissie,
    I’m not twisting anything Kratos head.
    Roca,
    There is no dispute regarding Ps3′s quality titles. I’m currently playing GOW3. I love this game. I’m just stating that all of this hasn’t been enough for the Ps3 system to over come Microsoft’s lead up to this point.

  75. Happyhockum:

    The topic is Molyneux talking about Fable 3, Milo & Kinect.
    He also mentioned questions over how aspects prototype worked.
    In short no great revelation of anything much.

    The Pbot gang should relax.
    First off they have no interest in Kinect (or so they repeatedly claim).
    Fable 3 will do nicely (at least as well as 1 & 2 have done),
    Milo may or may not see the light of day (but you guys all find that, apparantly “creepy” anyways) and
    Kinect is set to sell in great numbers at launch.

    ….and I thought you lot didn’t believe a word out of Molyneux’s mouth anyways?

  76. Roca.:

    he is full of shit….indeed
    we don’t believe anything he says but it’s always fun to make fun of him.

    the fact that you are defending Molyneux shows how big of a fanboy you really are. Even ppl who prefer the 360 like FahKin will tell you that Molyneux is known for making alot of promises and not delivering them

  77. oldschool1987:

    And yet people still bullshitting about sales ffs. Getting very boring and pathetic! It’s the reviews that count! Are any of you gonna make any money from these games? Then why the fuck do you care what they sell????

  78. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    Pointing out the facts of the matter is not actually “defending” anything or anyone, it is just merely pointing out your own ridiculous & hypocritical stance.

    One again you are desperately trying to pick stupid pointless arguments about Xbox & Kinect stuff when you have absolutely no interest in either of them or Fable or anything Molyneux says.

    Wow but your job must be utterly soul-destroying.

  79. Happyhockum:

    oldschool1987

    Flawed as some of Molyneux’s stuff may be you cannot deny that for an RPG Fable 2 for instance was very well received (IGN gave it 95% IIRC).

  80. oldschool1987:

    Ain’t just on about Fable. Fable 2 was a good game, not perfect but good. I’m just on about people who rely on sales over scores. Fable 2 is 89% on Metacritic.

  81. Roca.:

    Well even Molyneux, who is usually making bold comments about his projects…is having trouble to make Kinect work on his precious Fable franchise.

    if Molyneux is can’t figure out a way to make Kinect work on his game (both project in which he is heavily involved) because of all the Kinect’s limitations then who are you to argue that?

  82. jojo29:

    <–what roca said: if molyneaux is having problems, who the fuck are you HH the dipshit to say otherwise…

    Also, no one here said fable is a bad game, quite the opposite really, its one of 360s shining gems….there ya go trying to derail the topic as usual you simple minded ms cock boy….HH, your brain must really be stupid….

  83. phranctoast:

    “phranctoast

    “GT on the other hand is WAAAAAAAY more in place to sell consoles than Halo Reach”

    Oh no, not the ‘console seller’ argument getting wheeled out again is it?
    What a load.
    The price cut is what spurred the recent PS3 sales, they have yet to genuinely have 1 single genuine ‘console seller’.

    Halo on the otherhand is a proven console seller & coupled with Xbox S (and the imminent Xbox S Arcade) is a sure thing to see a significant sales spike in not only the Halo game sales but the console sales too.”

    The price cut is the real console seller for the PS3 as of now. That and a great category of exclusives as well as awesome third party games. Blu Ray and free online play all play a part.

    My point being is that the GT series is the best selling Playstation series. More so than Halo. GT5 represents the first real full title (GT:P would be like you guys getting sold Halo2 in HD in comparison)
    It has in the past been proven to be a console seller. Why would that change?

    Halo on the other, while being a console seller already has two iterations out now (and an rts). The people that like Halo, have it already. Therefore, and increase in console sales would be real minimal due to Halo Reach.

    Do you really feel this is debatable?

  84. jojo29:

    @phranc
    It doesn’t matter if he finds it debatable or not, he doesn’t even play, and when does, he’s playing CoD…..I constantly see fellow blorge members that I have as psn friends bounce back and forth from game to game…when uc2 was out all were on it, same for gow3, mod, mag, heavy rain….

  85. ncaissie:

    “Pew (lag lag lag) pew”
    LMFAO

  86. twilight:

    Okay, everyone let’s put our money where the talk is. Since we are all gamers, I propose a friendly holiday bet. I think Xbox360 will outsell Ps3 and you guys think Ps3 will outsell the Xbox360 in holiday sales. If Xbox360 outsells Ps3, then the opposite paired person will buy the person a game of the person’s choice. For instance, if I’m paired with Roca and Ps3 wins the holiday sales, I would have to buy Roca a game of his choice up to a certain dollar amount. If Xbox360 wins, then Roca would have to buy me a game of my choice. HH, Cad, and Twilight (Xbox360 side) Vs Roca, Phranctoast, and Jojo(Ps3 side). We’ll pair off in groups of two. Who’s all interested? This bet is open to anyone who wants to participate.

  87. oldschool1987:

    No twilight that’s just silly lol. And ain’t the PS3 been outselling the 360 recently anyway? I swear I heard that was the case.

    And as I keep saying: SALES AINT FUCKING IMPORTANT!!! IT’S THE SCORES FFS! SALES DO NOT AFFECT WHICH CONSOLE IS BETTER ON SINGLE FUCKING BIT!!!

    I mean look at the twilight films as the perfect example: They are such terrible shit films but win all the awards and sell the most tickets, but look at the reviews it gets. There’s proof that sales means fuck all, it just shows that the majority of people on the planet are retards.

  88. ncaissie:

    “Wow but your job must be utterly soul-destroying.”
    Says the desperate pos that defends ms 24/7.

  89. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    “Well even Molyneux, who is usually making bold comments about his projects…is having trouble to make Kinect work on his precious Fable franchise…..

    …..if Molyneux is can’t figure out a way to make Kinect work on his game (both project in which he is heavily involved) because of all the Kinect’s limitations then who are you to argue that?”

    Except that all of that is your own pure invention and nowhere in the interview does he actually say he “is having trouble to make Kinect work” nor does he say a thing about your imagined BS about “Kinect’s limitations’.

    Total idiotic fail.

    phranctoast

    Years of delay and a large chunk of its propective ownership more into PS3 for video than games point to GT5 having less impact this timne IMHO.
    We’ll see.

    oldschool1987

    That’s a pretty slippery slope to be on you know, a reflex & arrogant writing of everyone else’s buying habits off as stupid just because you happen to disagree with them is also a fairly silly basis for distinguishing quality.

    ncassie

    You weeping into your pepsi again?
    Boo hoo hoo.

  90. ncaissie:

    “And as I keep saying: SALES AINT FUCKING IMPORTANT!!! IT’S THE SCORES FFS! SALES DO NOT AFFECT WHICH CONSOLE IS BETTER ON SINGLE FUCKING BIT!!!”

    I second that. The PS3 will be the better choice simply because it has more and better games.

  91. ncaissie:

    Mmm… Pepsi.

  92. Roca.:

    Thanks to HH we don’t trust bets when there are xbots involved. HH has backed out on 2 or 3 of them already.

    but anyways as long as HH is not in it we are good.
    why don’t we bet on which console is going to put out more games while we’re at it or which console is going to have the highest average of reviews for the year?

    at least I care about bigger and better gaming lineup.

  93. Happyhockum:

    ncassie

    The PS3 doesn’t have more games than Xbox.
    Fact.

    As for “better”?
    Well you might imagine that a small handful of slightly better scored games makes much odds to anyone…. but then tunnel vision is a prominent feature of you Pbot zealots.

    Roca

    Clan up as much as you like, like I care about you Pbots & your laughably infantile level moves.
    Get a grip, it’s the net saddos.
    2d fanboy text on a screen is all yous are
    (with the singular exception of those good people I’ve chatted to on XBL).

    Xbox offers me more games and games which cover all genres perfectly well.

    You go ahead with your idiotic making mountains out of molehills if you must.

    The sales numbers will be up soon enough, once the Xbox S and the imminent Xbox S Arcade sales start to figure properly we’ll soon be watching you Pbots go back to claiming you have no interest in sales numbers.

    ….oh, some of yous already are.
    Nice while it lasted, huh?

    LMAO

  94. Happyhockum:

    Xbox S Arcade is going to sell so well.

    As they say in London, ‘mind the gap’!

  95. Roca.:

    more rants from HH…it reminds me when he claimed Alan Wake was going to be one of the top 3 selling games this year (behind Halo Reach)…

    When we’re talking about games you have to rely on your “future” sales arguments to try to make the 360 look any better but the fact is (even Twilight acknowledges it) that the PS3 lineup cannot be matched. MS simply don’t any enough studios to compete against Sony in the “exclusive” department. The Halo and the Gears is all you have…and of course the MP titles which are on both consoles.

    Keep the rants [tears] coming…

  96. Happyhockum:

    Ha ha ha ha

    “rants”

    Weird, you and your pals ought to know a rant when you see one.
    Yous do enough of them.

    I don’t have to rely on a thing happening in the future btw, it’s not me who has spouted BS about how
    “2007/2008/2009/2010/2011 blah blah blah is going to the year of the PS3″.
    Or how umteen PS3 games since 2006 were
    “going to be console sellers”.

    What a laughable joke.

    I realise you must employ some sort of defense mechanism but you really ought to know the difference between tears of laughter and your own saddo fanboy weepings.

  97. Happyhockum:

    So just why are you here crying your eyes out on yet another Xbox/Kinect thread when you have no interest in any of it whatsoever anyways?

    Jeez, you sad sad little pPot fanboys.

  98. jojo29:

    I would like to point out the following HH rants…where he was dead wrong.:

    Alan wake top 5 selliing game
    Halo ODST looking better than UC2
    BR not needed…developers think otherwise
    Wifi not needed..MS included it
    HDMI not needed…MS added it later…
    PS3 graphical potential not realized…PS3 currently holds the graphics crown..
    PS3 wont gain/close the MS gap…only 3million to go so far….

    Lets see what else HH will be dead wrong about yet again….HH your a joke, everyone on blorge admits it, im always up for a friendly wager…and unlike that shit-stain of a person that HH, i WILL follow through…but thats the problem, if HH is in the bet, i wont trust him following through with it yet again…IF he’s wrong, and loses i can see his posts already:

    NPD reports mean nothing
    Amazon is not that great an indicator
    bullocks, the whole net is pathetic pbot non sense
    insert pee wee herman attempt at an insult…

    He is already doing it with Kinect and all related Kinect news…

    “olyneux admitted that Kinect support for Fable 3 has been postponed because he just wasn’t satisfied”

    Hmm wasn’t satisfied with the prototype….well we’re 3 months away from launch…he seemed perfectly satisfied when he demo’d Milo….i wonder what changed…maybe it wasn’t working??

    “‘Is this what people would expect Kinect to be in something like Fable?’ And the answer, quite frankly, was ‘no.’”

    Hmmm.. further proof he couldn’t figure out a way to implement Kinect with Fable….if Kinect is so great and easy…whats the hold up…especially given molyneaux was the biggest talker of Kinect…

    “I think the future for Kinect and Fable is probably bright.””

    MS developer going from Kinect IS gonna be great, to “probably”…doesn’t sound like he is too confident in the tech….

    “Lionhead studio seems to be the leading devs pushing Kinect and if they are starting to get disillusioned by the implementation of the tech to ‘hardcore games’ then where does that leave everyone else? ”

    As stated, Lionhead is pretty much and has been spear heading Kinect…they are a FIRST party developer, and if they are having problems with implementing it….LOL

    Anywhoo back to twilight
    remove HH, whose word obviously can’t be trusted for even the friendliest of wagers, with Carlb, and im in…

  99. jojo29:

    @HH
    “So just why are you here crying your eyes out on yet another Xbox/Kinect thread when you have no interest in any of it whatsoever anyways?”

    Bitch please, i have a question for you:

    IF you are only interested in the tech of the company behind Kinect, and ONLY will be interested IF, IF there are any worthwhile games on it 18 months from now, why are you here 24/7, sprouting your usual pathetic hypocritical bullshit, denying what the entire gaming community are saying: Kinect is currently buggy as hell, it doesn’t work…

    If your only interested in the tech why defend it? Oh wait, because it has MS’ label on it, so you much open your mouth and ass to MS…i can’t believe MS isn’t bored of you already….

  100. ncaissie:

    “ncassie
    The PS3 doesn’t have more games than Xbox.
    Fact.”

    Guess I should have said more ‘good’ games so the dipshit could understand.

  101. ncaissie:

    And the ps3 will have more blockbuster games this holiday.
    That is a fact ass hole. I didn’t mean more in it’s lifetime.
    You are so pathetic.

  102. Happyhockum:

    More saddo fanboy weeping.
    Well boo hoo hoo.

    You lot are so obsessed it’s hilarious.

    The only thing this site needs is a time stampt to go with the date stamp.

    The 24/7 activities would be laid bare for all to see.

  103. jojo29:

    And you along with us you blind hypocritical dipshit :)

  104. Rhino:

    You know something, all the X360 fans here remind me of a joke.

    While having sex with a girl, she said to me “Make love to me like they do in the movies”

    So I rolled her over, stuck my dick in her ass, pulled it out and came all over her face and hair.

    I guess we don’t watch the same movies.

    You fuckers are the woman and MS is the guy.

  105. Rhino:

    So to keep on topic, I found this interesting article.
    http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/08/kinect-will-read-sign-language-paving-way-for-new-input-methods/

    Looks like when you get the shits with Kinetic and it lag filled Wii style games, it’ll recognise you flipping it the bird.

    Neat!!!

  106. jojo29:

    ^^^

    Rhino….i almost spit out my pepsi reading your post…GG sir !!

  107. b0xel:

    you know who else is going to get GT5, the Stig from top gear….LMFAO.

  108. Happyhockum:

    Adolescent MS bashing giggles.
    How tediously predictable & tiresome.

    The sign language stuff is very cool & substantive, actually relates to Kinect and will be a major stride forward for some of the aurally handicapped if it works out.

    “Kinect for Xbox 360: Will Understand Sign Language

    According to a recent patent for Microsoft’s upcoming motion-control device Kinect, not only will the device be able to map your movements but it will also be able to detect American sign language.
    Although Microsoft has not officially announced if this feature will be included with Kinect when it launches later this year, the patent is there for Microsoft to build upon”

    http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/08/09/kinect-for-xbox-360-will-understand-sign-language/

    b0xel

    “Top gear”

    FFS. The over-grown public school boy ridiculous car show.

  109. jojo29:

    ^^

    FFS HH, you really are a dipshit….

    “FFS. The over-grown public school boy ridiculous car show.”

    All you do is spew negativity to anything remotely non MS eh??

    Wow..just wow….you stooped to even a lower standard..

  110. gunstar:

    I have nothing against gay people. If you read the whole interview article, Molyneux’s favorite movie is Up = a movie about a young boy scout(Milo)living with an old man(Molyneux) inside a flying house. That is his fantasy. That is why he says, ” Leave my Milo alone, you perverts!” i think Peter M wants to keep Milo as a tech demo away from the public’s grubby hands. Milo will forever be his boy toy.

  111. phranctoast:

    This is how I know you’re a fanboy Happy. Only a fanboy would dismiss the Playstations top selling franchise.

    The Top selling GT game has outsold the top selling Halo game. This is an indisputable fact.

    I’m also talking about pushing more new consoles and therefore new owners.

    Fans on GT simply may not of purchased a PS3 yet. A combination of the higher price and their game of choice not being there yet are heavy contributors.

    If Halo Reach was the first Halo this gen you wouldn’t see me here saying no one cares because it’s been too long. That’s actually stupid. I guess rather than being a blind fanboy, like yourself, I’m just a regular fanboy.

  112. phranctoast:

    @Gunstar.

    Milo is supposed to be Molyneuxs son.

  113. Rimmer:

    get to grips people, all PM said was that he was unhappy about how they were implementing Kinect within Fable 3. He makes no criticism of Kinect itself, so I find it laughable how all the detractors are instantly drawing the conclusion that Kinect is due to fail.
    The reason why the PS3 crowd try their level best to camp out on any Kinect topic and trash it is because it is actually drawing interest from the web and the general public, whereas nobody can be bothered about PSMove. In fact the only time Sonys motion controller ever gets mentioned is when it is listed as an also ran in kinect articles.
    Is Kinect perfect? Of course not. It still has a lot of kinks and glitches that need ironing out, all of which can be done through improving the software and drivers. MS are constantly improving the software and will continue to do so. There were initial complaints that kinect was too rudimentary and inaccurate to pick up on small body movements and gestures, and yet MS have now lodged a patent that shows kinect’s ability to read sign language, which consists of nothing but small body movements, so there is already a significant improvement. It will be up to developers to innovate and make full use of this technology in their games. Imagine giving squad command signals through hand gestures for example.
    As much as you try and spew hate onto it, virtually every person who has actually tried it has come away impressed and that is what matters in the end.

  114. Roca.:

    this video show the Move will fully support the PS3 XMB…thanks god it will not be limited to a to a stupid Wii-too UI like Kinect

    http://www.videogameszone.de/PlayStation-Move-Misc-Hardware-234323/News/PlayStation-Move-Video-demonstriert-Steuerung-im-XMB-767022/

  115. ncaissie:

    “The sign language stuff is very cool & substantive, actually relates to Kinect and will be a major stride forward for some of the aurally handicapped if it works out.”
    It is good since most xbots are braindead handicap.

  116. phranctoast:

    @Rimmer
    “The reason why the PS3 crowd try their level best to camp out on any Kinect topic and trash it”

    The real reason is we are gamers, and kInetic has shown little of interest to us as gamers. Move on the other hand covers all genres. I guess you aren’t really a gamer either, which is evident of your disdain for a peripheral that isn’t just for your mom.

    If we weren’t in these topics there’d be no responses to 90% of the MS topics.

    Happy wouldn’t ever bother to post as there would be nothing to defend.

    Apparently that would make Blorge better.

  117. Roca.:

    @Rimmer

    we only go by what the developers, the media and the critics are saying…..you and HH keep defending Kinect even when is being talked down by ppl who are actually involved in the gaming industry. Here are some of the things you can find about Kinect and Move.

    *Industry Veterans Confirm Move Has Taken Kinect and Wii’s Focus

    *EA’s Create Skips Kinect, Uses Move

    *Fable III’s Lead Designer: Implementing Kinect Presents ‘Challenges’

    *Kinect is in Danger of Becoming a Joke

    *Five lies Microsoft told us about Kinect

    *Even hot girls can’t make Kinect work

    and finally, some hands-on by IGN

    Joyride: “was surprisingly difficult to control, and most of the seasoned gaming journos spent half the time spinning off the track. ”

    Kinect Sports: “but for most of the time trying the ball-dodging mini-game in Adventures was spent flailing around at random. Whether this was caused by the infamous ‘lag’ that seemed to plague early demos was difficult to tell, but when you have to resort to waving your arms like a semaphore enthusiast at a rave whilst you’re trying to do something as simple as bat a ball back at the screen it can get frustrating. ”

    Kinectimals: “. The system really struggled in the darkened area,”

    http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/110/1108080p1.html

  118. twilight:

    Roca and Jojo,
    I’m willing to do a bet on worldwide sales on which system will sale more this holiday. I don’t want to do game reviews because I don’t want to get into people’s personal opinions.

  119. Rimmer:

    “*Five lies Microsoft told us about Kinect” is a complete load of nonsense where the author gets half his facts wrong and complains that a few things that were shown in a tech potential demo are not available at the launch of the item
    “*Fable III’s Lead Designer: Implementing Kinect Presents ‘Challenges’” – how about showing the whole title: “Fable III’s Lead Designer: Kinect ‘Amazing’, Implementing It Presents ‘Challenges’ ” in which he explains that for an industry designed around controller use, developing something for a controllerless design requires rethinking.
    “*Even hot girls can’t make Kinect work” – that is based on a video where the players are surrounded by stroboscopic flashes and they wonder why a system based on visual cues has problems – duh
    “*Kinect is in Danger of Becoming a Joke” – the authors complaint is with MS’s PR and is also rehashing other negative articles without having actually spent time with the thing.
    “*EA’s Create Skips Kinect, Uses Move” – here is an extract from the article: R.U.S.E. senior producer Mathiew Girard recently spoke to NowGamer concerning the similar decision to incorporate Move support over Kinect, stating that Move is simply ‘more efficient.’ which basically means that it is easier and cheaper to make some minor adjustments to the code to use Move instead of completely changing the interface to make use of Kinect. More likely a financial decision than a technological choice. And how about Tetsuya Mizuguchi’s Child of Eden which chooses Kinect over Move. Does that mean Move is dead? hardly.
    “*Industry Veterans Confirm Move Has Taken Kinect and Wii’s Focus” – this is an article about Move attracting more Wii developers with a side note about how Kinect has yet to prove itself: “… This one is more of a wait and see considering we haven’t even seen its capabilities or biggest games yet.”
    “and finally, some hands-on by IGN” – congrats, you managed to find one person who didn’t like it – how about hands on reports from wired, techradar, eurogamer, ubergizmo and dozens of other websites and newspapers.
    All in all a rather pathetic attempt at discrediting Kinect. Is it perfect? not by a long shot, there is still a lot more work to be done such as improving accuracy and reducing lag. All of which MS and games developers are continuously doing. Will I be getting it at launch? maybe, haven’t decided yet. I like the look of Your Shape and Dance Central, but it will depend on if I have the money spare. However I am not Kinects initial target audience, so my choice is irrelevant at the moment. However I, and with it the majority of people out there are willing to give kinect a chance to prove itself and realise its potential. It is a shame you can’t see beyond your own blinkered existence and hatred for all thing MS.

  120. Roca.:

    @Twilight
    I’m willing to do it…I will like to add a few things.

    *What determines ‘Holidays’ sales (what’s the time frame, the source, the regions)
    >> I suggest worldwide and MS’s Q2 vs Sony’s Q3 FY (Oct-Dec)

    *Since the bet is a 3-on-3
    >>Why dont we make 3 different bets to make it fair and more balance. Lets say 2 bet on hard ware sales, 2 on average reviews, and the other 2 on # of excluisve?

  121. phranctoast:

    “And how about Tetsuya Mizuguchi’s Child of Eden which chooses Kinect over Move. Does that mean Move is dead? hardly.”

    Since when is Child of Eden an exclusive to Kinetic?

  122. Roca.:

    @Rimmer
    I could’ve listed many other sites but I didn’t wanted to post a wall of text like you did. but here are some more sites. idk why are you arguing this, this is not even debateable.

    *Kinect impressions – illusion of real live demo ruined
    “nothing was revealed except a handful of pre-recorded demos where actors clearly pretended to control the on-screen characters (avatars) with their own body movement. At several points the avatars would move before the actors did, ruining the illusion of a real live demo of Kinect”

    *PlayStation Move Tickling Fancies, Xbox 360 Kinect Fails To Impress

    *Microsoft Kinect E3 Hands On: We’re Missing the Point
    “Forza, which you’d think–given that series’ advanced racing pedigree–would involve some pretty sophisticated arm and leg waving. Well, you’d think. In fact–to the obvious dismay of others in the room–the Forza team stripped the control interface down to just two hands in the air, held at 10 and 2 o’clock, respectively. Acceleration was automatic as you grasped an imaginary steering wheel and pivoted left or right”

    *Watch Kinect Lag It Up On Jimmy Fallon

    *Jimmy Fallon plays latest Kinect, lag is still an issue

    *Hardcore Kinect Games in 18 Months (2012-2013)

    *Kinect – a DO and DO NOT guide of how to play

    *The Xbox Kinect’s dream vs reality
    “Kinect isn’t going to turn you into Tom Cruise’s Minority Report character or Batman. It’s not going to shape user interfaces for generations to come. It’s about playing silly games while flailing your arms and legs like a Microsoft tool.”

    http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/MkHSt.jpg

    *Kinect Marketer: We Don’t Want Shovelware

    *Without Shovelware, Kinect ‘Destined to Fail’

    *’Kinect Shovelware Vital’

  123. jojo29:

    @Rimmer
    “It is a shame you can’t see beyond your own blinkered existence and hatred for all thing MS.”

    And here i thought i had hope for you….no one is hating on MS…if you have bothered to keep up with past posts, most of us, me especially, even gave Kinect a one up OVER Move…..BUT, you CANNOT FUCKING DENY video footage of the thing NOT working…

    “Oh but a thousand blinking camera lights made it not work” will be the excuse…well then blame ms dumbass for not knowing a million blinking lights would fuck up their demo…thus GARNERING the impression that the thing aint working…I can even ‘give’ you this one…

    How about it not working in a ‘darkened’ room….with no million blinking lights…

    or how about IGN.com having problems, not just random, specific problems, but general, control problems, during IDEAL testing conditions…now this is what worries me…I don’t want Kinect to fail….the reason MS is getting so much flak is due to THEM OVERhyping the thing…fuck, i even stated i was excited to see the CURRENT UI menu, driven by Kinect motion controls via Minority Report style…but they managed to change that up to a more ‘simplistic’ “mii-too” menu….

    Get the fuck out of here, along with HH for myself actually digging Kinect, only to find, its NOT CURRENTLY <—-please read that like 4 times, anyone who backs up HH must be as brain dead, CURRENTLY the damn thing is disappointing…

    Can they fix it? I sure hope so man. Again, NO ONE on here has said they want it to fail…HH is the ONLY dipshitted hypocrite that is saying as much, only HH the dipshit is trying to blame ALL the negative media on the 'pbot' gang..

    Remember Rimmer, BEFORE you respond note the following:

    MOSTLY all of the "pbot" gang, intitially felt Kinect was the more innovative of the two techs…

    MOSTLY all of the "pbot" gang even gave the thing some kudos…

    YOU CANNOT change the fact that quite a few gaming websites have ACTUALLY FUCKING tried it…only to be DISAPPOINTED in the system's inability to FUNCTION…CURRENTLY<—read that again…

    No matter how much you want to spin it, no matter how much you want to call BS on a website…the fact of the matter is, CURRENTLY, in its CURRENT state, CURRENT events…Kinect is NOT WORKING AS INTENDED….could that change? Sure, i hope it does…

    But remember then again, i really don't care for motion controls….its just CURRENTLY, Kinect is getting ALL of the media's attention…WHY? because it is being SUPER hyped up…and it is failing to perform as ntended…

    You can cry and whine all you want along with HH's dipshitted ass, but the fact is, the biggest game source on the web, IGN, has actually tested it, and walked away reporting problems…MANY problems…did they like it when it worked? They sure did and that is a good sign of it's 'potential'…but key word were "when it worked"…

  124. twilight:

    Roca,
    I’m willing to bet on worldwide hardware sales during the holiday months of October-December 2010. The winner would be whichever system sales the most hardware during this holiday time period. There is no dispute on the amount of exclusives or critic ratings.

  125. Roca.:

    “There is no dispute on the amount of exclusives or critic ratings.”

    well, HH and CAD won’t admit the PS3 having more excluisve and better reviewed games then I think is fair if they put their money where their talk is ;)

    how about these 3 sales bets since the PS3 have the games and reviews locked down.
    > Holidays hardware sales (Oct-Dec)
    > Total hardware sales for the year
    > Total software sales for the year

    who are the members of your team btw?

  126. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    “well, HH and CAD won’t admit the PS3 having more excluisve and better reviewed games”

    Another of your own lying inventions.
    What I actually have said is that a mere handful of slightly better reviewed games adds up to f*ck all squared.
    Just like a small number of exclusives means nothing.

    Of course you prefer to ignore all those 3rd party games done so much better on Xbox tho, don’t you?

    Rimmer had it right, you Pbots are so deranged you honestly imagine camping out all day every day in the Xbox/Kinect threads is going to ‘influence’ people.

    Bha ha ha ha ha.

    Priceless f*ckwittery.

  127. Roca.:

    so you admit the PS3 having more and better exclusive? or will you rather bet on it? either way it’s fine with me.

  128. Rimmer:

    “MOSTLY all of the “pbot” gang, intitially felt Kinect was the more innovative of the two techs…
    MOSTLY all of the “pbot” gang even gave the thing some kudos…” give me a break – at one point did ncaissie or Roca EVER give it kudos. I wouldn’t count you into that crew jojo. Quite how HH is any worse than those other two PS3 muppets I don’t know.
    And every website has shown that Kinect is working, just not as well as some people have hoped, and nowhere near as well as the hype wants to make us believe. But then the same can be said for Move and Wii. Nothing can ever live up to the hype. The fact is that until this thing starts hitting livingroom floors we won’t get a clear idea of how well it works or doesn’t. As for the article, it is obviously a highly opinionated piece (like the majority of them out there) by a writer who clearly has a slight bias towards the PS3, which is perfectly acceptable, but that doesn’t make him the ultimate authority in all things gaming. For each negative report there are 2 positives. Are the games still buggy – quite likely, but these are all still pre-release demos. No Calm down, have a cup of tea and lets wait and see how well kinect works once it retails, ok?

  129. Roca.:

    I have gave kudos to kinect until all its limitation and pre-recorded demos started to be spotted. Like I said earlier, I’m just going off by what the critics, developers and the media are saying. As a gamer I can say Kinect disappoints because everything they have shown so far are just a bunch of Wii-like shovel ware and based on what MS said it seems like its going to go that way for at least 18 months. I think most of us here at blorge are hardcore gamers…is anyone of us excited about Kinecticmals, Kinect Sports, Your Shape, Joy Ride, etc….I don’t think, in fact I talk just as negatively about the Move shovelware as I have about Kinect’s… The Shoot, Start the Party, The Fight, Sports Champions etc. But at least Move will support RTS (Under Siege, RUSE), Shooters (KZ3, Socom 4), Raching (GT5, Tron), Sports (Tiger Woods, NBA 2K11, MLB), Puzzle (Tumble, Bloom Blox, Echochrome) and many more.

    ncaissie has down talked the Wii, the Move and Kinect while you keep defending Kinect at all cost…ncaissie seems less biased to me since he thinks all motion controls – Kinect, Move and Wii – are shit.

  130. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    “ncaissie seems less biased to me since he thinks all motion controls – Kinect, Move and Wii – are shit”

    More laughable BS.
    That’s like that pathetic fig-leaf some racists find so clever, amusing & love to use,
    ‘oh no they’re not really racist they hate everyone’.

    It’s obvious cr@p and we’ve seen enough of their idiot fanboy bile for the truth of where they stand on all of this to be crystal clear.
    For every 1 word critical of Move there’s a 1000 bashing away at Kinect (and to a lesser degree Wii).
    Yous are not fooling anyone, except maybe yourselves.

    Just like the truth of where you stand is clear Roca, you couldn’t make it clearer, wedged into every Microsoft/Xbox/Kinect thread bashing away at everything Microsoft/Xbox/Kinect.

    The joke is you then accuse others of being similar…..except they are never to be found every day all day long in every Sony/PS3/Move thread.

  131. SW:

    “…is anyone of us excited about Kinecticmals, Kinect Sports, Your Shape, Joy Ride, etc”

    A-Ha!!!! I have you now!

    My answer : CAD!

  132. jojo29:

    “Quite how HH is any worse than those other two PS3 muppets I don’t know.”

    Rimmer, even you have to see why the dipshit HH is worse, but i would love to cut down his exmaples:

    - Kinect is back-ordered at Amazon – LIE
    - Halo Reach being the best looking game in 2010 – fanboy wish
    - ODST looking like Uncharted 2 – more blinded fanboy wish
    - Defending Kinect when it offers nothing to us gamers – fanboy indeed
    - arguing Synergy, when even you own quote proved you wrong – blinded fanboy denying the truth
    - Taking a source as “valid” when it goes your way while dimissing it when it goes against your precious console – a fanboy dipshit
    - limitatios – fanboy on denial
    - Alan Wake claim of being a top 10 seller and graphical benchmark….turns out that did not happen; instead the game is boring..
    - claiming BR is not needed; despite developers saying otherwise
    - claiming PS3 graphical potential was fanboy wishes, despite PS3 having the graphical crown

    Despite all that, he can’t admit when he is dead wrong…and for that he will always get flak, he says hes bored with this site, yet continously posts on here.. He constantly bashes the websites members, yet constantly replys..

    Shit, he’s even said he puts me on ignore, yet retorts to everyone one of my insults to him…hypocritical dipshit is what HH is, nothing more…

    See Rimmer there is a difference between the ‘likes’ of the ‘pbot’ gang and HH…HH spews nothing but BULLSHIT, as evidenced by his above past rants…im telling you man, the guy is a lonely ass dipshitted MS cock worshiper who throws pee wee herman type insults lol the guy is a joke, please don’t stoop low to defend his dumbass..

    Now, Rimmer, i understand how it looks like Kinect is getting a ‘bad rap”, because quite frankly, it is…Trust me, i would, most of the pbot gang, would jump at the first slight of negative news about the Move…at least i know i have…but thats the thing…every time it is demo’d, it gets really, nothing but praise…so theres not much else to discuss unless we want to keep making fun of the dildo lol <— yes i agree with the jokes about that, im not a Sony cocksuker, i call Sony on their bullshit as well..

    You have to understand, MS is hyping up Kinect moreso than Sony is with Move….MS is totally shifting its focus to the Wii crowd…it evident by MS only releasing Halo and Gears…it is relying on its strong 3rd party support to give Kinect leg rooms…and they have a price drop coming…its a valid strategy but one that pretty much slaps the 360 fanbase in its face by saying " hey we dont have to release anything other than Halo and Gears, and the sheep will still follow"…..<—an anti gamer approach in my opinion…

    Now, Sony ain't no saint either, but it seems their focus is more gamer oriented…They no longer have to secure multiplats…multiplats on both consoles nullify each other…Is Move as 'cool' as Kinect? Hell no, but it functions and it is working so far….Sony instead is relying on their first party exclusives, to which, since yall like bringing up sales, while not as record breaking as a single Halo title…."with their powers combined" it has proven the better road traveled for Sony, as evidenced by them closing the gap down to 3 million…

    Now, HH likes to point out, PS3 didn't dominate like PS2….okay, thats great it didnt, this is where i have always called Sony on their misshaps, yup, they fucked up their launch window, but ever since then, they have made up for it…Sony needed a humbling , this generation was SONY'S to lose and they shot themselves in the foot…MS was just able to capitalize on that…<—what i mean by this is, if sony had played their cards right, MS actions would not have mattered..at ALL PERIOD…it was Sony's to lose and their arrogance costed them..

    But, Sony has made a turnaround, they are pretty much releasing game after game after game…i gave up RDR because i picked up my Sony exclusives….remember, Sony has many more exclusives, so when yall are like ' x multiplat sells more on 360" im like no shit? I've had Heavy Rain, God of War 3, Modnation Racers, MAG, while the 360 dudes at that time had what? ME2 and CoD…..

    /end rant

  133. jojo29:

    @HH the village idiot
    “For every 1 word critical of Move”
    Links please…I wanna see links from IGN/Arstechnica/GamesRadar/or any other website that has mentioned Kinect in a negative view, say the same about Move.

    Things to remember;
    -We all agree it looks like some type of dildo (HH secretly wants one)
    -We all agree its a ‘mii-too’ peripheral…

    So i wonder what links he will be able to bring up that doesn’t already tell us what the above states…try something along the lines of how well…excuse me ‘bad’, it performs…

  134. jojo29:

    @HH the idiot dipshit
    “The joke is you then accuse others of being similar”

    Its funny you say that, do you remember saying the following:
    Just on the bashings he gave Sony:
    -BR not needed, its a waste…lol developers disagree with you
    -wifi is not needed, its a waste…ms apparently disagrees with you
    -ps3 graphics potential…tell that to the current graphical kinds, MGS4, UC2, Gow3, HR, Killzone…none of which MS has an answer for…

    Remember, YOU were the one originally parked in PS3 threads regarding the following:
    Value of BR
    Value of Wifi
    Graphical Potential of PS3

    All things you mudslang anyone who ‘defended’…fucking troll and hypocrite is all you are HH…

  135. ncaissie:

    ” at one point did ncaissie or Roca EVER give it kudos. ”
    Lmao roca, you and I are most pbots.
    Lol rimmer, I will never give kudos to that pos. As a developer I knew from the start it was all some idiots pipe dream.
    Move isn’t any better. I don’t like the control on the wii I won’t like it on the ps3 either.

  136. Happyhockum:

    More boo hoo hoo from the resident f*ckwit stalker.

    Aaaaw bless, dry your fanboy weeping eyes.

  137. ncaissie:

    I’m sorry if you idiots didn’t or can’t see that kinetic is a pile of shit!

  138. jojo29:

    Thank HH, you’ve just proven your hypocrisy by retorting after saying you wouldn’t…

    and as usual you don’t add anything to the current topic at hand, instead you retort with your pee wee herman like antics :) keep it up, you only make yourself look stupid..oh wait, go and stalk Roca and see what game he is…call me a stalker..hardly…you’ve proven you are one already…Roca better get a restraining order on you…

  139. Roca.:

    it must sucks to be HH, everything he has said before it’s being used against him!

    HH can’t deny he’s been full of shit all this time bashing Sony and PS3. Remember when you claimed and quoted someone saying:

    “Bluray will last about 5 years”…BD will turn 5 next year and it’s showing now sign of slowing down.

  140. Roca.:

    @SW

    damnit!! I forgot about CAD
    you got me there :(

  141. Happyhockum:

    LMAO

    The Pbot support group cant even get their scripts right.
    Keep trying to divert Roca, I laugh at your idiot scribblings.

    Yous truly are a pathetic bunch of simpletons.

  142. jojo29:

    And HH can’t even get his predictions right…whoopdedoo another pee wee herman level antic by HH…you really are reaching at straws there HH lol

    For all your whining and bitching about ‘the pbot’ gang bashing the 360…..we have endless accounts of you originally doing the same….only now your fucktard 360 friends are all but banned and gone…only you and CAD/CON are left….and it makes you cry like the little girl you are inside don’t it? heres a napkin bitch, you just got served..

  143. Happyhockum:

    Boo hoo hoo

  144. jojo29:

    Cue HH’s retort which shows he aint got shit to add or say:

    “More boo hoo hoo from the pbot gang.”

  145. jojo29:

    HAHA he is so mind numbingly predictably baitable nowadays

  146. Roca.:

    here is a pic of HH
    http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/104_spring2004.web.dir/justin_bailey/peewee.jpg

  147. Happyhockum:

    Such a boring & pathetic (self admitted) trolling little fanboy.
    What an empty life you must have f*ckwit.

  148. jojo29:

    lol, too funny..

    cue his pbot gang rant along with boo hoo and pathetic

  149. Roca.:

    Life as a Hockum must suck…

  150. jojo29:

    “Such a boring & pathetic (self admitted) trolling little fanboy.
    What an empty life you must have f*ckwit.”

    So, when you post a youtube link, which is more than a simple picture, your life must be VERY boring and VERY empty? Go ahead and /wrists please….

  151. Happyhockum:

    Oh wow Roca, how clever.

    Maybe I’ll join in, here’s a picture of Roca -

    http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/horse-ass.jpg

    How clever, huh?
    Never let it be said you Pbot tw@ts ever fail to plumb new depths & bore better than ever before.

  152. Roca.:

    ^ LMAFO

    Classic comeback Peewee Herman

  153. Happyhockum:

    ^LMFAO

    Classic gormless cretin’s comeback, horses a$$.

  154. jojo29:

    ^^
    Classic Dipshitted response…HH you may continue eating MS cock now..i apologize for taking your time away from that with my ‘boring’ posts….oh heres a towel…go ahead and wipe your face a little

  155. jojo29:

    whats even funnier is, HH mocking a link that mocks him…but he constantly used to post his youtube link….hypocrite? case of a sad, pathetic troll of trying to dish it out with his pee wee herman level posts, but can’t take it…yet he loves taking MS cock…more hypocritical non-sense from HH the dipshit….move along people nothing to see

  156. Happyhockum:

    Boo hoo hoo.
    Weep on fanboy f*ckwit.

  157. Roca.:

    More Pee Wee Herman level of response.
    This is just sad.

  158. Barnabe Jones:

    lol you guys crack me up :)

  159. Happyhockum:

    I wish they did me Barnabe.

    Besides the most gormless crass and infantile abuse there’s precious little wit or fun to be seen with these guys.

    Kids, huh?

  160. Roca.:

    The Pee Wee Herman comparation was spot on ;)
    right BJ

  161. ncaissie:

    “I wish they did me Barnabe.”
    Sorry HH that is a job for CAD and MS.

  162. Happyhockum:

    Always true to type ncassie, huh sweetie?

  163. b0xel:

    I like the XMB better, it looks good, its fast and easy to use and it has that ‘classy factor’. the dashboard is kinda messy and feels like it was designed for kids (the stupid avatars and the flashy colors).

  164. Roca.:

    “Always true to type ncassie, huh sweetie?”

    ^ Fuck’n fagg

    “I wish they did me Barnabe”

    MS’s cock ain’t enough?

  165. Roca.:

    I agree with b0xel

  166. jojo29:

    “Boo hoo hoo.
    Weep on fanboy f*ckwit.”

    And keep “not” responding to me you old, worthless turd :) Your pee wee herman insults are just….priceless LOL

  167. Happyhockum:

    Keep your pathetic dreary little gay obsessions to yourself ya sad confused adolescent twep.

  168. oldschool1987:

    So HH your saying that sales means higher quality?

    OK then Twilight films have made much more money than The Shawshank Redemption. Does that make it better? Point proven.

  169. jojo29:

    ^^
    add oldschool1987 as yet another person to make HH look stupid..kudos OS

  170. Happyhockum:

    oldschool1987

    Nope, I said what I said, not what you’ve just invented.

    Popularism in itself is no gauge of quality, of course – but sneering and looking down your nose at the popular isn’t much of a basis for deciding the matter either.

    As for the Twilight films?

    Well to their target auddience (at the age they are at) they undoubtedly do appear better than a cinematic classic like Shawshank.
    That’s obvious & that’s the problem here, ‘better’ can mean so many different things to so many different people.

    I think it’s just best to keep the arrogant instinct out of it.

  171. oldschool1987:

    Not being arrogant one bit but most people do have poor taste. I remember when the song ‘Bob the Builder’ beat Eminem’s Stan to the top spot. There’s another point.

    No need to start insulting me HH, you’ll get nowhere like that kid.

  172. oldschool1987:

    Plus Twilight is aimed at teens right? So because your in a funny mood and say that Shawshank is a poor example, then how about the American Pies? Stand by Me? Juno? The Breakfast Club? As I said sales does not mean higher quality, if you think it does then you must have a screw loose.

  173. Roca.:

    don’t waste your time oldschool, HH’s brain can’t process common sense.

  174. phranctoast:

    And it’s coming from someone who acts all pretentious about films. Hailing Indie films, and knocking Avatar.

  175. Happyhockum:

    oldschool1987

    Nothing “funny” about my mood at all and I’m not attempting to insult you either
    (you might have noticed that I don’t tend to dress it up or make it ambiguous if I call someone an idiot).

    Actually I find most people are dead-on.
    You can run with that idiotic arrogant cr@p if you like
    (your words “the majority of people on the planet are retards”)
    but I suspect you’ll grow out of it sometime.
    It’s always everyone else, huh?

    As for populism not being a guarantee of quality well I don’t know anyone who ever said it was.
    The point I was trying to get across there was that “better” and “best” are pretty fluid concepts and neither you nor I get to dictate them to others.

    Like I said to it’s target audience Twilight is the best.
    I’d sure as hell not be expecting them – or want them – to be into worthy cinematic heavyweights at their age, that would really be all wrong.

    phranctoast

    Way too late to this party & far too predictable, “pretentious”.
    “Hailing Indie films, and knocking Avatar” oh the horror!

    LMAO

  176. twilight:

    Roca and Jojo,
    I give you credit. You were willig to put your money to back the talk up. I’m still gain for something. It could be fun.
    People have diverse tastes. Just because something is garbage to one person doesn’t mean it is not any good. For example, I generally hate rap/hip hop music. I can say that I consider this music to be crap. Even though I hate this kind of music, I can still respect the work that Eminem does because he is considered to be one of the best at what he does. If someone doesn’t agree what your personal tastes, it doesn’t make your personal tastes superior to someone else’s tastes. If something is more popular, it usually means that more people got into it.

  177. jojo29:

    “If someone doesn’t agree what your personal tastes, it doesn’t make your personal tastes superior to someone else’s tastes. If something is more popular, it usually means that more people got into it.”

    Yes totally agree here, but when the majority of reviews/opinions/experiences about any given product, is a negative one…well then, it no longer is a case of “x caters to x and if x thinks its good then so be it”, i.e the movie Joe’s Apartment….

    Kinect as of right now, is currently under harsh criticism due to it having either lag/glitches or generally not working…

    Live Gold is always under scrutiny because, 70% of the 360 user base, fail to even get on Silver, let alone Gold….

    Its not “MS” bashing…i have in the past have given much kudos for MS, DESPITE me being a Sony Fanboy….i even cricize Sony, but apparently its not enough for HH’s dipshitted ass…

    Bottom line is, i won’t argue against anyone that Sony has fucked up, not only this gen but in the past,i.e PS2 hardware problems…but guess what? Blorge wasn’t around for yall to see me bashing them…but i did..i was even victim to the disc reading error…

    Anywhoo, im game for a genuine wager :) just let me know with whom and what the stakes are…

  178. oldschool1987:

    Basically HH your entire defense was just using pompous words and sentences, trying to make yourself seem smarter than you are. Your saying the same shit but re wording it. You think over all sales means higher quality, that IS what you are saying. Forget who the target audience is ok, just concentrate on the money it makes, Twilight still made more money than most higer rated movies. The same can be said for some games, like all Halo’s have made more money than Uncharted 2 and Mass Effect 2 but they are clearly higher rated games. Look at the COD serious as the perfect example, they are just hollow sequels pumped out every year but they sell a shit load, much more than any MGS game, and COD is totally shit compared to any MGS. Dress it up all you want in your fancy wording but your sticking the the ‘Sales means higher quality’ bullshit.

  179. oldschool1987:

    COD Series*

  180. phranctoast:

    @twilight

    you can’t spell crap without rap :D

  181. twilight:

    Phranctoast,
    Lol.

  182. phranctoast:

    I bet you’ll remember that :)

  183. phranctoast:

    http://kotaku.com/5609840/kinect-dumbed-down-to-save-money-cant-read-sign-language

    “The patent for Microsoft’s motion-sensing camera Kinect suggested that the device could understand American Sign Language. Well, it can’t. At least, the version going on sale in November can’t.

    Responding to the claims made in the patent, Microsoft has told Kotaku “We are excited about the potential of Kinect and its potential to impact gaming and entertainment. Microsoft files lots of patent applications to protect our intellectual property, not all of which are brought to market right away. Kinect that is shipping this holiday will not support sign language.”

    So why did the patent suggest it could? Well, sources close to the evolution of Kinect’s development tell us it’s because the version of the hardware that’ll be available later this year isn’t as capable as was originally intended.

    The original Kinect had a much higher resolution (over twice that of the final model’s 320×240), and as such, was able to not only recognise the limbs of a player as the current model version can, but their fingers as well (which the current version can’t). And when the hardware could recognise fingers, it would have been able to read sign language.

    But that capability came at a cost, and while Microsoft had always intended Kinect to sell for $150, “dumbing down” the camera would have meant that Microsoft wouldn’t be losing as much money on each unit sold, an important point should Kinect prove to be a failure. So dumb it down they did, reducing the camera’s resolution (which in turn reduced the number of appendages it’d have to track) and placing the burden for some of the device’s processing on the console and not Kinect’s own hardware.

    This probably isn’t the first time you’ve heard such a rumour, but this latest time at least explains why Kinect can’t read sign language!

    We’ve reached out to Microsoft for comment on the matter, and will update if we hear back.”

    While this probably doesn’t really bother the deaf one way or another as they would simply use A CONTROLLER!!!!

    The biggest news to come from this article is, Kinetic can’t detect individual fingers movement. That shoots down and ton of possibilities of it’s abilities.

  184. SW:

    Its a good job I never knew it was supposed to read sign language else I’d be very disappointed right now ;)

    So, I hate to say this, but anyone remember that original PS3 showing that had like 400 ethernet ports ;)

  185. phranctoast:

    I remember it had two HDMI ports.

  186. Happyhockum:

    oldschool

    Yeah well, you either see it or you don’t.
    Go ahead & insist my actual words mean the opposite if you must.
    Up to you.

    “Pompous”
    LMAO

    Still smarting at my comments about room sizes, huh?

  187. Roca.:

    “The biggest news to come from this article is, Kinetic can’t detect individual fingers movement. That shoots down and ton of possibilities of it’s abilities”

    CarlB must be pissed…so what Kinect can do that the Eye Toy can’t other than Voice control?

  188. phranctoast:

    @Roca
    and 3D detection. Kinetic is basically EyeToy with a 3D ability to sense depth. So far I haven’t seen that utilized yet.

  189. Roca.:

    @Phranc

    here is Kinect for you: The ‘Sell’ vs ‘Reality’
    http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=294

  190. Happyhockum:

    Cor, all you Pbots must be so pleased.
    Now you don’t need to concern yourselves with Kinect anymore.

    Right?

    LMAO

  191. jojo29:

    ^^
    Remember when HH said, Kinect doesn’t interest him as much as the company and tech behind him for ‘non’ gaming, universal CE uses instead?

    Yet, just as much as we “bash on it” ( because of course we are the ones typing up those countless articles right? ) here HH the dipshit is, defending something that he has NO interest in terms of gaming, because he in terms of gaming, it won’t interest him until “18 months out”…..

    Oh and he will try and use the “wait for it to actually release” debate, but he is not allowed to use that angle, because when ‘pbots’ were ‘waiting on the graphical potential’ of the PS3, HH and his ex gang of blind 360 followers ( whom i must remind you, are gone due to being banned or because they no longer could keep up with the actual common sense the psbot were throwing at them ) were bashing on potential.

    Happyhockum, the hypocritical dumbshit at his best!!

  192. Roca.:

    he blame us for quoting other gaming sources…lol

  193. jojo29:

    This one was funny as hell too:
    http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=15

    Its for HH

  194. phranctoast:

    I’m confused by Happy. He posts something then I post the rebuttal and that’s somehow bad…..?

    OK.

    Enjoy your one sided magical little world.

  195. oldschool1987:

    No I weren’t ‘smarting’ about your room size comments, I forgot about it but that is another reason why your a pompous prick.

  196. Happyhockum:

    phranctoast

    “Enjoy your one sided magical little world”

    LMAO
    Oh the irony.

    oldschool1987

    Awww, and you were doing so well.
    So, let me get this straight, you imagined I used a few long or unusual words and that makes me “a pompous pr!ck”?!

    When you, on the otherhand, come out with arrogant condescending and sneering (pompous?) idiotic BS like this – your words – “the majority of people on the planet are retards”.

    HTF does that work.
    Fail and fail badly.

    If that’s your attitude (and it’s straight from your own words) to most people the I just wonder what most think of you?
    You don’t think they can’t tell you have a laughably patronising hateful attitude to “the majority”, do you?

    LMAO

    ….oh & f*ck you.

  197. Roca.:

    a grown up comment at the end./ sarcasm

  198. oldschool1987:

    I seriously wonder HH if you were abused as a child or just bullied in school. when I say most people are retards, I mean for their obsessions with stupid things like twilight. My mrs is a big fan and I call her a retard as well, she doesn’t take it to heart though.

    Don’t take your shitty life out on me because Father Jack raped you in the confessions closet (don’t take that too seriously just having a laugh there) or because Kinect is turning out to be a massive let down.

  199. jojo29:

    Lol HH

    Allow me point out his usual hypocrisy:
    ” I don’t buy on launch day prices, only idiots do”….

    Pompous, arrogant and condescending……the very same things he is crying foul upon others…

    /end making HH look stupid….yet again..

    You’ve been educated you little hypocritical dumbshit, HH…your welcome, this lesson was free of charge

  200. oldschool1987:

    ^^PMSL

  201. oldschool1987:

    The majority of gamers are launch day buyers! Does that mean HH that all those people are idiots as well???

    And when you come out with arrogant condescending and sneering (pompous?) idiotic BS like this – your words ” I don’t buy on launch day prices, only idiots do”

    HTF does that work.
    Fail and fail badly

    If that’s your attitude (and it’s straight from your own words) to most people the I just wonder what most think of you?
    You don’t think they can’t tell you have a laughably patronising hateful attitude to “the majority”, do you?

    You really are a hypocritical person ain’t you?

  202. oldschool1987:

    I think the word ‘pwned’ is in order?

  203. Happyhockum:

    I think the word hypocrite is in order, for you.

    ““the majority of people on the planet are retards”

    Back-peddle away all you like – or do the lame claim it’s just a joke – but you said it, not me.

    I think you’ll find most people (as in the general public) do avoid early-adopting rip-off prices
    (in so many things).
    Most people are not in fact early adopters of anything.

    But you go ahead, weasel your way around this and pretend I came out with something as dumb as you did if you must.
    The f*ckwit chorus here will undoubtedly chime in to give you all the help & support you need to help you lie to yourself.
    Bet it almost feels like fun, eh?
    Idiot.

  204. Happyhockum:

    Interesting give-away there tho; my saying people who buy at full price on launch day are daft (which IIRC was exactly how I put it, there’s a subtle difference) got right up your noses…..cos you’re the sort of berks who buy at full price on launch day?

    How sad, nevermind, you’ll grow up & grow out of it one day.

  205. oldschool1987:

    Backpeddling? I never once said I was joking about what I said! If you read my comment carefully you’ll see I put I was only joking about the priest molesting you joke. That is all. I meant everything else I said. Also you think every one who buys games on day of release are idiots! So who the fuck do you think you are trying to have a go because I criticize peoples taste in films. You need to wind your neck in, your extremely hypocritical! And HH just stop acting the tough man online, it’s really quite sad …bless your little cotton socks.

  206. oldschool1987:

    Jesus you really are extremely pompous and ignorant. Looking down your noses at everyone else but your to tight to buy games at launch? Either your mummy won’t treat you, your poor or your just tight. You’ve just proven your a hypocrit. One rule for you, another for everyone else aye?

  207. Happyhockum:

    You know where you can put it oldschool.

    You are the one who said “the majority of people on the planet are retards”.

    Sad to say oldschool but by your own account that’s not much of an ivory tower you’re looking out of down your nose & being so snotty about everyone else.

    Pi$$-poor attempt at trying to claim I’ve done the same.
    But like I said your Pbot support act will be along shortly so you can all agree with each other and brazen it out.

    You sound angry, you should try calming down.
    Try to avoid the pathetic attempts at projection.

    Reemeber you are the one who said “the majority of people on the planet are retards”.
    How you must enjoy life with those sorts of saddo attitudes.

    LMAO

    Yeah it’s never you, it’s the others, huh?

  208. oldschool1987:

    hmm have you ever been laid HH? I just don’t think you have, I get the impression of a mummies boy who’s never had a girl. Not just saying that as an insult, it’s what I genuinely think.

    And what about you on your high horse calling everyone stupid for buying something they want? Hypocrite.

    And how do I ‘sound’ angry? I didn’t realize this website has my voice on here.

    I still don’t understand how buying something on day of release means stupidity. Liking Twilight is retarded though, that is a fact thats even on Wikipedia lol.

  209. Happyhockum:

    Really getting laughably tragic now oldschool.

  210. oldschool1987:

    Yeah you are HH, such a sad lonely person who ain’t and never will achieve anything in life.

  211. Happyhockum:

    Oh ffs oldschool, ludicrously desperate & woefully feeble.

    Get a grip & try some reality.

  212. Roca.:

    owning HH is so easy LMAO

  213. Happyhockum:

    Like you’d have the 1st idea Roca.

    Go back to lying about the video games you’ve pretended to finish.

  214. Happyhockum:

    I see the latest NPDs proved me correct and you full of it yet again.

    1. 360: 444K, down 9K (-2%)
    2. DS: 398K, down 113K (-22%)
    3. Wii: 254K, down 169K (-40%)
    4. PS3: 215K, down 90K (-30%)
    5. PSP: 84K, down 37K (-31%)

    So much for your idiotic BS that Xbox only had a brief rise in sales and had fallen back to pre-Xbox S numbers.

    I told you it wouldn’t take long to show this up as just more of your saddo fanboy BS.

  215. Roca.:

    Amazon still have the PS3 on top. LOL
    you & I both made a claimed based on Amazon rankins but somehow you seems to think my claim is less valid than yours even though they were both based from the same source.

    pathetic….
    like I say, owning HH is too easy.

  216. Happyhockum:

    Pfffhhhh

    Laughably feeble.

  217. jojo29:

    HH

    Calm down, don’t get mad lol

    HH the dumbshit who can’t see he’s the biggest dipshitted hypocrit here…lmao

  218. CarlB:

    “CarlB must be pissed…so what Kinect can do that the Eye Toy can’t other than Voice control?”

    Not at all. Kinect is the first 3D motion control device for consoles of it’s kind on the market (the Eye/EyeToy doesn’t even come close in this aspect), and they are obviously planning for more refined control in future iterations. Remember, this is only the start, which is likely the reason for it’s codename in the first place.

    (it)”isn’t that it tracks your body with full depth mapping, or responds to voice commands, or that it has a standard video camera: It’s that it brings all of three of those things together for the first time. It’s natural user interface in its infancy. 3D sensing has been around for 15 years, Raghu explains. What Microsoft has done, he says, is taken 3D depth-mapping technology that typically costs $10,000 to $150,000, and made it at volume, for cheap.”

    http://gizmodo.com/5604308/deep-inside-xbox-360-kinect-the-interface-of-microsofts-dreams

    The limitations will, without a doubt, exist in Kinect 1. What is more interesting is how natural UI evolves with software and hardware after Kinect’s release.

    Wii, Wii-Motion Plus, and Move will continue to strive to improve the traditional gaming controller, though it’s likely Kinect’s natural UI that will be the most widespread in the end, and not only for gaming.

  219. Roca.:

    everything evolves…not just Kinect. I’m sure PS Eye and Move will evolve too even after it’s already a superior motion pakage than Kinect. Lip reading, fingers movements, sign language, 1:1 tracking, etc etc are all out the door for Kinect.

    PS Eye will not always be a tracking camara, it will also evolve and Sony can use it as a combination of both Kinect and Move. They have already patent gender recognize, face recogniztion, expression recogzition (sad, happy) and more. In the future every product will evolve but as of right now Kinect seems to face many more limitations than its competitors

  220. phranctoast:

    They can basically eliminate those limitations by simply adding a wand. Maybe that’s what’s in store in 18 months.

    My bet is it would appear with the next Xbox.

  221. CarlB:

    I think they are two different focuses.
    Wii-Motion Plus and Move will do what they can with the wands, but the wand will remain the primary focus of control, whereas Kinect will focus on skeletal tracking and voice control.

    Wands will largely focus on what has already been done, while Kinect will focus on what has never been done as far as 3D and voice control for a range of games on home consoles. The focus for Kinect won’t be reinventing the traditional controller, but rather leaving it (what works great for traditional games) in place while exploring the new ground of 3D tracking and voice control for gaming and other applications on consoles.

    However, I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that they could add a gyromouse, which has certainly come down in price since it’s been on the market for over two decades:

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/12941/gyromouse_presenter_wave_your_magic_wand.html

  222. Roca.:

    Move uses a camara which can do skeletal tracking [see video in link below] and its common sense that sony will expand and evolve on both the Move controller and the PS3 tracking system.

    http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/08/12/kung-fu-live-coming-to-pax-prime-new-trailer-debut/#comments

    developers note about using PS Eye motion game:
    “We are doing skeleton tracking and removing your livingroom background and even other people in the image and placing you inside the gameworld under the actual game world physics etc.”

    I believe Sony is not focusing on Camara only game right because they’ve already been there and they know all the limitations they faced. but Now they can use both Camara + Mic and the Move control for a better and a less limited experience.

  223. Roca.:

    as of right, PS eye is a better tracking camara than than Kinect due to its wider view angle, higher res and faster frame rate. The only different is in 3D tracking and that’s where the moves comes in and proved to be a more precise and accurate 3D tracking system.

    for all we know Sony could be working on a PS Eye that can do 3D tracking as well

    http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/07/01/sony-may-be-working-on-3d-playstation-eye/

  224. CarlB:

    I have no doubt Sony will evolve the Eye, and it will be wonderful to see if they can come close or even surpass what Microsoft is doing now with Kinect as far as natural UI without a physical controller.

  225. CarlB:

    Wii Motion Plus & Move = TUI focus (Tangible User Interface – buttons/physical controller)

    Kinect = NUI focus (Natural User Interface – no buttons/physical controller, your body and it’s movements are the controller)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_user_interface

    Each are going to have their advantages, however I think the former is going to more closely resemble what has already been done in the past as compared to the latter when it comes to it utilizing 3D motion tracking and voice control.

  226. phranctoast:

    I see that latter as being what already done before.
    The only difference the latter has is 3D control which the Move covers.

    Essentially Both Kinetci and Move are different from their predecessors because they add the 3D element to the equation and a higher degree of precision (which comes with new tech).

    As for voice control. It’s software based and both devices have a mic. I don’t see it as a selling point. I’m just surprised this is the first time someone thought to implement it in with gaming.

    My bet is…It’s not all that ironed out, but hey…you have to start somewhere. Hopefully it poor implementation (if that’s the case) doesn’t leave a bad taste in people mouthes.

  227. Roca.:

    Sony have already experience with NUI..cough cough…Eye Toy

    The fact is that Sony can do NUI with the PS Eye if they wanted to. The “no button” experience is kind of fake as you will have to press a on-screen button/icon which can be done faster with by pointing and clicking.

    Now Kinect is facing many limitations, specially now that they downgraded Kinect from what it was originally.
    *Minority Experience. Not happening
    *Ability to track finger movements. Not happening
    *Ability to read sign language. Not happening
    *Ability to read lips. Not happening
    *Object scanning. Not happening
    *1:1 tracking. Not happening
    *60fps. Not happening
    *Better/Equal experience as Wii/Move. So far -Not happening.

    We know Sony is a company willing to take risk and not afraid to go all out on a more advance/future technology, so if you Kinect will evolve, what makes you thing Sony won’t take what Kinect is doing (as they have been playing with the tech for almost 10 years) and take it a whole new level along with a more advance Move device.

    There might by a reason why there are about 20+ games for Kinect and 50+ games for Move.

  228. CarlB:

    Wii-move does have two points to track with wand balls, but that’s about the only real difference.

    Essentially 3D control without a wand (and voice control incorporated) is what has not been already done before, which Kinect covers.

  229. CarlB:

    I can see how it would be a disappointment to you if you were looking forward to it making you wear a pair of light up finger gloves, having it reading sign language, reading your lips, or having it scan the cheap plastic wii-too peripherals that are being peddled now for wii-move roca, but I wasn’t highly anticipating any of those capabilities. As is, Sony only saw limitations with NUI (naturally, as they are only working with a 2D camera), so Microsoft is moving forward in that area, while Sony is trying to recreate Nintendo’s success with a Wii-move-plus.

  230. CarlB:

    “There might by a reason why there are about 20+ games for Kinect and 50+ games for Move.”

    There is. It’s called a patch for games that were designed from the beginning for a traditional controller. Those 30 plus games will likely be better controlled with a traditional controller anyway.

  231. Roca.:

    CarlB – “Essentially 3D control without a wand is what has not been already done before, which Kinect covers”

    which game is using 3D tracking again?

    CarlB – “so Microsoft is moving forward in that area, while Sony is trying to recreate Nintendo’s success with a Wii-move-plus”

    Microsoft is recreating Eye Toy while Move is a superior motion device.

    CarlB – “It’s called a patch for games that were designed from the beginning for a traditional controller”

    Take out the games that are going to get patched and Move will still have more and better games.

    CarlB – “Those 30 plus games will likely be better controlled with a traditional controller anyway.”

    yeah, it will be better for those who dont like Motion control and for those who do like motion control the experience will be better with the Move.

    oh, and those 20+ games on Kinect will probably be better controlled with a traditional controller, or with Move…..or by just going to the club and out to the Gym and a park. better yet, they might be better on the Wii.

  232. CarlB:

    Overall, I agree with you in that I think Playstation’s Wii-move wands will be much easier for Sony to implement in games, past, present and future, and they have a huge advantage. All I’m saying is that I am more intrigued by Kinect’s focus with natural user interface than Move’s focus with tangible user interface.

    As for going to the club or gym, you could also join the military and go to Afghanistan instead of playing the next COD, go to racing school instead of playing GT5, or be an outlaw in Alaska/Mexico instead of playing RDR, but I already get enough adventure and physical training from being a Marine in real life, though I still enjoy some of these experiences more while playing videogames in the comfort of my own room.

  233. Roca.:

    ^ You proved my point.

  234. CarlB:

    ^I agreed with your point.

  235. phranctoast:

    “There is. It’s called a patch for games that were designed from the beginning for a traditional controller. Those 30 plus games will likely be better controlled with a traditional controller anyway.”

    The funny thing is, is I see this as a positive thing rather than a negative.

    I look forward to the ability to aim in some of these games in a manner as quick as I can move my hand.

    Resident Evil 5 for instance… RE4 is still hailed as one of Wii’s best games. Okami.. another one.

    The key thing is, these gamestypes will actually be available with Move support where the opposite can;t be said for KInecit.

    Would I rather control a raft,Dance or workout with motion or play RE5,SOCOM,or Dead Space with motion. The answer should be obvious. The good thing about it is choice. Casual games will exist on Move as well.

    I can see the intrigue behind Kinetic. It does have a Wow factor to it. I believe thats what MS is counting on to sell it.

  236. CarlB:

    Would I rather play RE5, SOCOM, or Dead Space with a light up vibrating button wand or the controller these games were originally designed around? The answer should be obvious, but I guess I’m alone in saying I won’t be sold on Move for playing traditional games unless the wand(s) are proven to be superior to the DS3. I’m not saying they can’t be or that this is impossible, it’s just… meh.

    As for Kinect, I would also rather play RE5, Dead Space, etc. with a traditional controller instead. If I’m just watching a movie, playing music, looking to see whats new, etc. I shouldn’t need a controller for these things with natural user interface.

    However if games like Child of Eden and others turn out to be worthwhile, I am definitely down for the experience, nor am I opposed to quality workout software.

    At this time, I’m not impressed for either tech’s primary game lineup.

  237. oldschool1987:

    lol HH when you have been blown out you just end it with something stupid like ‘laughably feeble and pathetic’ and then maybe a ‘hahahahaha’ lol. Your a joke and always gets called out for being the hypocrite you are.

  238. Happyhockum:

    “the majority of people on the planet are retards”

    Your words oldschool, not mine.
    How is that weird little ivory tower you sneer down at the world from with its limited room and not able to get 6′ x 6′ clear space to use Kinect?

    :P

  239. oldschool1987:

    ‘people who buy games on day of release are stupid’

    Your words retard, not mine. Hypocrite!!!

    As for the Flat size, it’s perfect for me and my mrs, we don’t have kids or anyone else living here. Why get a bigger flat? More to clean. Obviously you have no idea because you still live with your mum

    :D

    pwned

  240. oldschool1987:

    Also coming from a guy who can’t even afford day of release games! What the fuck do you know about living away from your parents when you can’t even afford that lmao! Pathetic and sad.

  241. Happyhockum:

    Actually it was ‘people who buy games at full price on release day are daft’.

    Not quite the sneering snotty utterance you came out with.

    Nice try, shame you had to invent most of it yourself tho.

    You are however stuck with your own classy line –

    “the majority of people on the planet are retards”

    - and with an attitude like that being fired at anyone I bet they all think highly of you.

    Shame about the f*ckwittery (getting a great big laugh at your delusional idiocy about your ludicrous attempts to psychically know my personal circumstances.

    …..almost as big a one as the laugh you gave us all moaning about living in a shoebox without 6′ x 6′ to play Kinect properly)

  242. oldschool1987:

    ‘almost as big a one as the laugh you gave us all moaning about living in a shoebox without 6? x 6? to play Kinect properly’

    - and with an attitude like that being fired at anyone I bet they all think highly of you.

    Such a silver spoon fed cunt ain’t you? lol. One sad, pathetic person. Yes my flat is nice and small, but at least I live alone with my girlfriend and I wouldn’t change that for the world. How is it in your mums basement??? lmao and don’t say you don’t live with your mum because you obviously do!

    Ahhh HH your the type of person I would LOVE to bump into, I know for a fact that your attitude would take a back seat if you came face to face with me. Shame your American.

    Plus the living room I have is big enough when it’s empty but the way we have it set out makes playing Kinect more of a hassle than it seems worth. We have a dining room table in here as well as another table between the settee and TV. But you go ahead and buy the faulty, fucked up Kasual. I’m hearing great things about it lol.

  243. Happyhockum:

    Oldschool

    The difference is I don’t have to make anything up.
    You were the one gurning about living in a shoebox a lack of space to use Kinext .
    That was you telling us that, no-one else made that up.

    You are the one who, in your own words, sneers down your nose at “the majority” of people with your
    “the majority of people on the planet are retards” stupidity.

    I, on the otherhand, never said a word about “most people” – other than to say in my experience most people are dead-on.

    I worked for everything I have, thanks.
    Your “silver spoon” invented nonsense is hilarious – like you idiotic ‘face to face’ BS.

    Any other psychic gems for us all…..this weeks lotto numbers perhaps?

    The only problem you have is that your little guessing games are laughably wide of the mark.

  244. jojo29:

    HH
    Yes you have
    “People who buy at launch day prces are daft”

    Fucking hypocrit…

    Owned and made you look like the stupid dumbshit you are…again..

  245. jojo29:

    Definition of “daft”:
    adj. daft·er, daft·est 1. Mad; crazy. 2. Foolish; stupid. 3. Scots Frolicsome.

    So, you called people who buy at launch day prices, crazy, foolish and stupid…how is that better or worse than you what you said…wait its not its just because..your such a hypocritical asshole…and dumber than shit..

  246. jojo29:

    HH
    “In my experience, most people are dead on”

    Well, most people/websites say Kinect is under performing, doesn’t even work….guess that means we are right about Kinect currently failing to meet its promised goals, not working…no surprise, MS is great at releasing pos, unfinished products…

    Also, most people on here think you are a silverspoooned fed, hypcrite and a dumbshit, who lives in his parents basement guess that makes us right about you…

    /done making you like a dumbass using your own words lol

  247. Happyhockum:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I

  248. Roca.:

    Owned again

  249. jojo29:

    LOl @ HH

    I pretty much made him look too stupid tp post anything of substance…..I pretty much shut his ass the fuck up…your welcome blorge..

    HH he really is dumber than shit ;P

  250. Happyhockum:

    Ha ha ha ha

    Tweedle dum & Tweedle dumber in double-act support, again.

  251. jojo29:

    ^^
    I pretty much made him look too stupid to post anything of substance…..I pretty much shut his ass the fuck up…your welcome blorge..

    HH he really is dumber than shit ;P

  252. oldschool1987:

    @ HH: Bullshit you worked for everything, fucking bullshit. Your mum does, you just ain’t the type to leave your mums basement until your 30 odd.

    And you did call ‘most people’ stupid for 1st day purchases because MOST gamers buy games on 1st day, owned again you fucking retard.

    The only people who don’t is people who can’t afford it and are just spiteful of people who can afford it you fucking back alley tramp. You can’t even afford to buy SC:C or AW yet and they have been out for a while now! and you still call yourself an xbox supporter but you still ain’t played them 2 exclusives, yet you defend the fuck out of em lmao pathetic.

  253. Happyhockum:

    Oldschool

    The problem you have pursuing this attempt to rope me into some sort of equivalence to your own snooty & snotty ““the majority of people on the planet are retards” stupidity and my comment about full price early adopters is that “most people” are not full price early adopters.

    So plainly I cannot be calling “most people” stupid because “most people” do not fit that description.

    Is that plain enough for you – or are you still too dim to understand it laid out so plainly (and as if for a young child) for you?

    Fail. Laughably.

    The rest is just you once again trying to score a pathetic hit and failing miserably as usual anyways.

  254. Happyhockum:

    No style, no wit, no fun and no sense –

    http://www.modernwarfail2.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/shipment.jpg

  255. oldschool1987:

    Wow you really are one boring fuck lmao. I remember people like you in school who sat in a corner and had no friends but looked down your nose at everyone. Your the dumb fuck who keeps thinking I’m denying what I said, not once did I deny that most people who buy into the whole Twilight phenomenon ARE retards, your just sore because your one of those ‘Twi-hards’ And MOST people DO buy on day of release …unless they can’t afford it, it’s a simple as that retard.

    It’s pretty amusing how you thing your comments even resemble some sort of put down, it’s embarrassing actually how pathetic you are. You really are a sad fuck with no life, just wasting your days away at your mums.

  256. Happyhockum:

    Blah blah blah

    Feeble swipe, laughably poor jibe, weak verbal BS.

    Boring.

  257. Roca.:

    childish “blah blah blah *Covers ears* blah blah blah” comment from HH…when will he get past puberty

  258. Happyhockum:

    LMAO

    Here comes the support group.

    Watch out for more of their laughably feeble shallow & evasive f*ckwittery!

  259. jojo29:

    ^^
    No substance…its easy to shut HH the fuck up :)

  260. oldschool1987:

    HH just never had a good enough reply lol.

  261. Happyhockum:

    Oh dear.

    It’s really sad how some refuse to realise nobody’s talking to them and instead take refuge in laughably pathetic arrogant fantasies about shutting people up.

  262. oldschool1987:

    Your catchphrase ‘laughably pathetic’

  263. Happyhockum:

    If the cap fits…..

  264. oldschool1987:

    Yeah like because that makes so much sense.

    Laughably pathetic and sad lol

  265. CarlB:

    “The only people who don’t is people who can’t afford it and are just spiteful of people who can afford it you fucking back alley tramp… MOST people DO buy on day of release …unless they can’t afford it”

    I can afford it, and I would argue “most people”, at least those people with some financial wisdom, rent, even if they can afford it (for a good read on this mentality, try reading “The Millionaire Next Door”). Why pay $60 for something you will likely finish within a week or two? Why not pay a flat monthly rate for rentals, ~$10-$30/mo instead of $120-$240?

    I have splurged twice this year, but only because I was in the process of a PCS (Mass Effect 2), and once when I couldn’t wait for God of War III to come in the mail. I wound up beating God of War III and giving it to the library here. Renting games if you play often is just good sense.

  266. jojo29:

    @HH
    “It’s really sad how some refuse to realisenobody’s talking to them and instead take refuge in laughably pathetic arrogant fantasies about shutting people up.”

    What’s laughably pathetic, is your piss poor attempt at ignoring me, yet here you acknowledge me….lol

    Its pretty much you bitching at me because I can shut you down in any and all debates, I pretty much shut you the fuck up, and instead of being a big boy about it, you cringe and whine about it here lol

    Keep cowering in fear of me lol

  267. jojo29:

    @carlb

    There’s nothing wrong with renting, just like there’s nothing wrong in buying launch day….

  268. oldschool1987:

    I buy every game I want launch day and Blu Rays and I still have more than enough money to pay bills and go out on weekends. No need to take HH’s side Carl, you know the guy is a complete prick with a silver spoon up his arse.

  269. CarlB:

    I’m not taking sides, just a point. Neither am I saying there is anything “wrong” with buying day one, I’ve done it twice this year alone. I should have my first house paid off next year, and my second shortly after. I can even pay off the bills I have now with money enough to buy all the games I want, but prefer to pay ahead in order to be able to get a third house for more residual income after I retire w/pension with no need to work for the rest of my life @~38-40 years of age.

    This isn’t to brag, but just to say for me at least, renting is preferable; and I think if not “most people”, then there are at least just as many as those that buy.

  270. oldschool1987:

    Lol I never thought you were bragging anyway m8. Army personnel always have enough money because we rarely get a chance to spend it.

  271. CarlB:

    Are you kidding? Every port is a chance. Five star hotels, flight attendants, expatriates, foreign nationals, nurses… booze, women and parties… but it does get tiring after a while. Been there, done that.

  272. oldschool1987:

    God damn Americans have it great lmao. Brits are too busy getting beasted all the time.

  273. CarlB:

    lol… Brits are amongst the best partiers and drinkers I know of in the world, the only ones I know of that come close are Aussies.

  274. CarlB:

    Molyneux’s demo of Milo at the TED conference in England earlier this year (voice control, seated demo):

    http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/111/1113997p1.html

  275. oldschool1987:

    Aye that’s true and the best of the Brits at drinking are the people from Manchester, Newcastle and Liverpool. I’m from Coventry but was in a Regiment that was full of Mancs and Geordies(Newcastle people) lol.

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