How does the Xbox 360 stack up against the PS3 hardware wise?

August 26, 2010

How does the Xbox 360 stack up against the PS3 hardware wise? The console war has raged on for nearly four years now and the both the PS3 and Xbox 360 have gone through several revisions and incarnations. With existing features taken away and even added, how do the consoles stack up against each other?

IGN has put together an excellent comparison purely from a technical perspective, without getting into opinion territory like exclusives or online service.

Unsurprisingly the PS3 came out on top, not because its a year newer but because Sony invested much more into R&D for the PS3. Sony invested $1.6 billion into just developing the Cell Broadband Processor alone.

Sony started crafting the PS3 early on while the PS2 was still going strong and even before Microsoft started developing the Xbox 360 as revealed by Venture Beat.

However, despite starting later, Microsoft did end up rushing the Xbox 360 one year early inevitably resulting in the Red Ring of Death (RRoD). While Sony also faced some challenges which forced the company in delaying the PS3 launch due to a shortage of Blu-ray laser diodes.

Both Microsoft and Sony took different routes. Microsoft loaded the Xbox 360 with the latest tech (customized) at that time for the PC. While Sony went on to develop its own technology and even invested in experimental tech such as the super fast XDR ram.

The routes taken really reflect the corporate cultures of both companies – Microsoft: run by businessmen with a strong software heritage and Sony: run by engineers with a strong hardware legacy.

Check out IGN’s full comparison here and discuss below.

134 Responses to “How does the Xbox 360 stack up against the PS3 hardware wise?”

  1. me_:

    “Microsoft loaded the Xbox 360 with the latest tech (customized) at that time for the PC.”

    Like a cut down 3 core Power PC process??? The original xbox was a PC but I don’t know why people insist that the 360 is the same.

  2. CAD:

    Well there is no doubt that the PS3 wins in this category the but money invested was crazy. Was it really all that necessary. Couldn’t they have gone the more traditional way and keep developers from having headaches programing games for it. It’s not like the PS3 can do something that the 360 can’t do already no matter how many time Sony makes that crazy bullshit statement. Anyways it thinks it funny how Microsoft came on over to IBM for a console and IBM basically showed them the technology that was going into the PS3.

  3. jojo29:

    @CAD
    “the but money invested was crazy. ”

    as opposed to spending over $1 billion on the whole RROD…Surely, Microsoft could have gone the more traditional way and keep consumers from having headaches from reporting RROD and having MS lie to them and say it wasn’t their fault????

    “Anyways it thinks it funny how Microsoft came on over to IBM for a console and IBM basically showed them the technology that was going into the PS3.”

    IBM has it hand dipped in EVERYTHING from military super computers, to Nintendo’s Wii to 360 to PC industry to smartphone industry to the PS3…STFU about things you know nothing of…

    “t’s not like the PS3 can do something that the 360 can’t do already no matter how many time Sony makes that crazy bullshit statement”

    Well, ever since MGS4 came out…the 360′s first pary games, have not surpassed it graphically…because it can’t…

    Uncharted
    Uncharted 2
    Killzone 2
    God of War 3
    Heavy Rain
    Gran Turismo

    ALl have NO 360 answers in the graphics department….

  4. Rhino:

    @CAD ” It’s not like the PS3 can do something that the 360 can’t do” Really…how many fucking racks of 360′s do see in a server farm doing all sort of number crunching Huh?

    Probably about NONE is the number that exist.

    How many times have you read the Cell processor has been used for code breaking?

    Probably about NONE is the number your looking for.

    Once again CAD you have typified my belief that brothers and sisters should never marry, let alone procreate.

    By the way, I think your local Wall Mart is having a special on banjos.

  5. gunstar:

    ” The routes taken really reflect the corporate cultures of both companies – Microsoft: run by businessmen with a strong software heritage and Sony: run by engineers with a strong hardware legacy.”

    I have so many friends who are engineers no wonder the PS3 appealed to me. They are better drinking buddies than businessmen.
    ENGINEERS FTW!!!

  6. Rimmer:

    I remember when the Cell architecture was first introduced and it was considered the most significant development in Processor design for years. It was considered to have so much potential to revolutionise computing and yet like so many revolutionary products it has not managed to venture beyond its original purpose which was to power the PS3. The furthest it seemed to have travelled is into the back of a few of Toshiba’s top spec TVs. Which is odd, seeing as it is basically a RISC based system much like 99% of the embedded and mobile computing platforms based around ARM and others. And look where it has gotten Sony – a console that is only marginally better than the more cost effective competition and still in last place in the current gen console race and with a massive deficit to boot. Thankfully they have, and continue to invest heavily in the software side of the PS3 and can proudly look on an excellent games portfolio and some innovative features.
    MS on the other hand went for the safer, cheaper route and kept things close to current PC architecture and work flow. As a result they gained a strong hand quickly even with a horribly unreliable piece of hardware. And they have proven time and time again that their hardware can by and large keep up with the theoretically more powerful PS3. And for everyone who starts harping on about how superior the graphics on the PS3 first party titles are that has bugger all to do with the hardware and everything to do with the skills of the developers. as a rough analogy: If I, driving a BMW, raced against a professional driver in a Mercedes and lost that wouldn’t mean that Mercedes are faster cars than BMWs. If you stuck two equally talented drivers in the two car makes the results would be much much closer.

  7. Roca.:

    PS3 is a superior console – hardware and software wise
    it’s a no brainer

  8. CarlB:

    Great article Mike. Just last weekend I concluded the same as IGN did yesterday as far as hardware being superior (though only based on HDD, Blu-ray, external memory options, Move speculation, and end results in titles like God of War III), but I have just a question and some points that maybe you could further address.

    “not because its a year newer but because Sony invested much more into R&D for the PS3″

    How much did Sony invest compared to Microsoft for PS3 as compared to 360 alone?

    I really don’t know the numbers here, but I think it’s safe to say blu-ray disc is what actually put them over the top by a long shot, which is more media format R&D that existed long before PS3. Yes, games are media, but I think first and foremost Blu-Ray was primarily researched, pitched, invested in, and commercialized as an HD movie format, which, incidentally, also can work for games. This factor alone made PS3 win two of the categories, both video support and disc drive.

    I would also think any console hardware manufacturer would have a huge advantage over the competition five years down the line if they had an entire year more to adjust and plan based on what had already been released prior.

    For instance, Bluetooth 2.0, 7.1 LPCM surround, HDD, RAM speed, and even the Cell all made PS3 win those respective categories, and practically all of them (except perhaps the Cell) could have easily been tweaked or added later given an additional year’s time. Even a half year is a large amount of time considering how fast technology advances presently.

    Bottom line, I think that year advantage in technological progress, adjustments, and planning made a massive difference for Sony, and is the primary reason Sony came out on top in IGN’s comparison.

  9. CarlB:

    “And for everyone who starts harping on about how superior the graphics on the PS3 first party titles are that has bugger all to do with the hardware and everything to do with the skills of the developers”

    I think it goes beyond that if you look at the titles that both companies have held up as their flagship exclusive titles. Certainly the people who were behind Mass Effect 2 and Splinter Cell Conviction were “expert drivers” of the 360 infrastructure? Look at those results compared to titles like God of War III and you will see details and scaling that are unparalleled on 360 to date.

    I am stubborn in saying take the same resources with the same time and the same team maxing out each piece of hardware for the same title and you will likely come out with barely discernible differences, but looking more closely, especially at God of War III this year, I find it hard to hold up any 360 title as comparable in the graphics department.

    I am still adamant that these are not “true” comparisons, as I was in the past, but it’s hard to question when you do not see similar things being done with 360 exclusives. Perhaps 360 exclusive devs just aren’t spending as much time, do not have as many resources, or do not have as much “expertise” or familiarization with 360 hardware as you say (and, to a degree, I have said in the past). Either way, Rage looks to be the first multiplatform title (due next year) that could show clear differences in hardware performance, I guess we’ll see.

    IGN’s conclusion of the comparison still holds true, “But despite being a year older, the Xbox remains surprisingly competitive in some areas. In the end, what matters is how developers and publishers choose to take advantage of each console.”

  10. Roca.:

    “”I think it goes beyond that if you look at the titles that both companies have held up as their flagship exclusive titles. Certainly the people who were behind Mass Effect 2 and Splinter Cell Conviction were “expert drivers” of the 360 infrastructure? Look at those results compared to titles like God of War III and you will see details and scaling that are unparalleled on 360 to date””

    nice post CarlB….

  11. Roca.:

    “And for everyone who starts harping on about how superior the graphics on the PS3 first party titles are that has bugger all to do with the hardware and everything to do with the skills of the developers.”

    CarlB reply was on point…but I will like to point something out:

    Which developer has more experience/skills
    Bungie or Guerrilla Games?
    Remedy or Quantic Dreams?
    Rare or Media Molecule?
    Epic or Naughty Dog?

  12. Kushy:

    “How does the Xbox 360 stack up against the PS3 hardware wise?”

    Um…..it doesn’t, PERIOD!

    Sorry to sound like a fan bitch, but the RROD puts this baby to rest! Yes the 360 is a good system and has some awesome games, but Microsoft rushed it way too much. PS3 pwns the 360 all the way! :)

  13. Happyhockum:

    Those obsessing about the minutia reckon there’s a vast difference, normal people just see 2 consoles that look and sound the same at all practical levels…….except price.
    Which PS3 loses.

    Xbox S (just like the Wii) and particularly in its new Arcade guise covers everything most want from a game console.

    Sony meanwhile scuttles around never quite knowing what its supposed to be, media centre, game console, video player etc……and at that price-tag all that cr@p about supposedly beiong ‘so advanced’ just puts people off buying them for their kids.

    Which is why for all the PR puff PS3 is decidely likely to remain PS3rd this gen.

  14. phranctoast:

    @Roca
    You’re asking questions in which you’re likely not going to like answers too.

    All those developers are great in their respective fields developing on specific engines.

    Epic is awesome when using the Unreal Engine, and IMO develop the best online MP games. More so than Bungie with Halo and GG with Killzone 2. Nothing is as good as the Unreal Tournament series as far as online MP is concerned.

    Remedy is a great developer. They made Max Payne but I see no reason to compare them to Quantic Dreams for any other reason than they both created games that can be considered thrillers.

    Rare is a hollow shell when compared to their former group. They however as a name are more experienced than MM as MM is a fairly new game company broken away from Lionhead.

  15. FahKinSuPah:

    When you look at the headline and how the article wass written doesn’t it sound like Mike is a PS fanboy?

  16. phranctoast:

    “Those obsessing about the minutia reckon there’s a vast difference, normal people just see 2 consoles that look and sound the same at all practical levels…….except price.
    Which PS3 loses.”

    except one of those “minute differences” is a Blu ray player. In the states the 160GB PS3 is $299 and the 250GB 360 is $299. PS3 is a much better deal and costs the same. On Amazon the 160GB has been outselling the 250GB 360 so I’m not the only one has made that assessment. The PS3 has also been outselling the 360 annually for the last couple of years, so again…I’m not the only one making that assessment.

    “Sony meanwhile scuttles around never quite knowing what its supposed to be, media centre, game console, video player etc……and at that price-tag all that cr@p about supposedly beiong ‘so advanced’ just puts people off buying them for their kids.”

    One can say the exact same thing about all consoles. All have Netflix now, and isn’t Kinetics biggest selling point to you is voice and hand control over your media? hmmmmmmmmmm….

    I think initial price was the hurdle that people needed to jump over and why it could have seen as an unattractive purchase for the kids. Now that that has subsided, we’re seeing more PS3 consoles selling than the competition. PS3 is practically neck and neck with the wii this year in Japan.

  17. Happyhockum:

    In Europe the difference between the Xbos S Arcade £130 (with games) and the bare 250gb PS3 £325 or the new 320gb model £284 is huge.

  18. CAD:

    As far as I’m concerned 1 year makes a difference when it come to Hardware as technology keeps increasing and getting better. I expect the PS3 to be better coming out a year later. It was the same last generation. The xbox was superior to the PS2 as the tech was much better but it came out after the PS2 so that’s to be expected. But Hardware is one thing and Service is the other side to the coin and that’s where the 360 shines. It just has better appeal and the Graphics are still top notch even compared to the First party titles. But why is it that third party developers don’t get the same results that first party titles obtain as most Multiplatform games just look better on the 360. I chalk it up to development time because First party games take forever to be developed on the PS3. I think Sony is cracking a whip and running a sweat shop in Japan with it’s developers.

  19. twilight:

    Has CarlB been abducted by a Ps3 alien? Just kidding CarlB. Anyways, CarlB has brought up some interesting points. I’m currently playing GoW3 and I’m just in awe of this game. I haven’t seen any game look this on the Xbox360. Can the Xbox360 produce a game like this? Some people say it can but all I can say is “show me the graphics.”

  20. CAD:

    FahKinSuPah

    News flash!!! Mike is a PS3 Fanboy. Everytime the 360 crowd has a hey day like the sales numbers and them Mike will flood the page with Pro PS3 articles ignoring all 360 news. This is nothing new at Blorge. I only came here because the writers always talk shit and write bullshit. Had this site been a log in only affair when I first came you would not find me as I don’t waste my time with log in sites. So blorge consider yourself lucky to have me. LOL

  21. phranctoast:

    “In Europe the difference between the Xbos S Arcade £130 (with games) and the bare 250gb PS3 £325 or the new 320gb model £284 is huge.”

    The 320GB model comes with Move!
    Way to leave that little FACT out!

    The 120GB is E250 (sorry I don’t know how to make Euro sign…)
    The 250GB is E269 ( I really don’t know what you get out of blatantly lying through your teeth…..

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003UYTX8S/ref=s9_simth_bw_p63_i4?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=1AFW4TYGMGYENPGDVRD2&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=472336413&pf_rd_i=300703

    The 350 on the other hand is E199 (250) and E139 (4GB)

  22. Barnabe Jones:

    Wow I was just bashing IGN yesterday for being biased against the PS3…

  23. Roca.:

    1 year makes a big difference huh? I believe the specs for the PS3 were already stablished years before it came out. As Mike mentioned:
    “Sony started crafting the PS3 early on while the PS2 was still going strong and even before Microsoft started developing the Xbox 360 as revealed by Venture Beat.”

    Besides, Microsoft chose to go with a lower spec console because they were being greedy. there is no excuse for not including Bluetooth 2.0, 7.1 LPCM surround, HDD, RAM speed, wifi, ‘native’ 1080p support & HDMI ports – those feature were pretty much standard at the time (hell, even the original PSP and DS had wifi) The only new and expensive specs for the PS3 were Bluray and the Cell, for the rest of the features the “1 year” excuse doesnt apply.

    how hypocrite of CAD to use the ’1 year later’ excuse when it favors him but when he is listing those old ass 2005-2006 360 excluisves and raving about the 360 3.5M lead he seems to forget all about that “1 year”

  24. Happyhockum:

    Phranc

    LMAO, defense force active, much?

    I didn’t lie at all.

    Xbox S Arcade no games @ £130 (Tesco)
    ht*p://direct.tesco.com/q/R.209-4617.aspx

    Xbox S Arcade with Guitar Hero Aerosmith & guitar @ £139 (Toys R Us)
    http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/xbox-360-4gb-guitar-hero-van-halen-/742193/#post9230722

    PS3 250gb bare @ £326.99 (Amazon)
    h*tp://w*w.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-Console-250GB-Model/dp/B002OOWHKQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1282919614&sr=8-3

    PS3 320gb (with Move) @ 284.87
    h*tp://w*w.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-Console-250GB-Model/dp/B002OOWHKQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1282919614&sr=8-3

    Oh and while stocks last the 120gb PS3 (bare) is £249
    h*tp://w*w.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-Console-120GB-Model/dp/B002L16JXS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1282919614&sr=8-1

    Read it and weep.

    Not 1 “lie”, but feel free to get yopur panties in a knot if you must.

  25. Happyhockum:

    Amazon UK are also doing the Xbox S 250gb model with an HDMI cable free, and a 12-month Xbox LIVE Gold membership card or selected game for £25 @ £199.99

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Xbox-360-250GB-Hard-Drive/dp/B003NSBMF8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1282919843&sr=8-1

  26. Happyhockum:

    PS3 simply can’t compete on price.

  27. Barnabe Jones:

    LMAO, defense force active, much?

  28. phranctoast:

    “how hypocrite of CAD to use the ’1 year later’ excuse when it favors him but when he is listing those old ass 2005-2006 360 excluisves and raving about the 360 3.5M lead he seems to forget all about that “1 year””

    CAD also notes this…

    “Anyways it thinks it funny how Microsoft came on over to IBM for a console and IBM basically showed them the technology that was going into the PS3.”

    Wouldn’t this mean the PS3 was in development first?
    Isn’t it also CAD who goes on and on about Sony copying Microsoft when by his own admission he favors MS copying the idea for the very chipset that Sony was developing.

    Sounds to me like Microshaft owes Sony about $650 Million.

  29. phranctoast:

    @Happy
    The link I showed was cheaper and came with a game (Modnation Racers).

    Your link is obviously a mistake. Especially when you even note the 320GB with Move being cheaper.

    Is it a lie when someone throws a “mistake” up to represent a “real” price?

    I lean towards Yes.

  30. twilight:

    Xbox360 has the best pricing. I would like to see Sony come out with a cheaper Ps3 system to match the Xbox360 arcade system. It’s hard for Sony to lower the cost of their system because of the high end components that Sony uses. If Sony did this, it would definetely make things much more interesting.

  31. Happyhockum:

    Speaking of lies

    PS3 120gb bare in France is €285
    h*tp://w*w.amazon.fr/Console-PS3-Slim-120-Go/dp/B003L771LA/ref=sr_tr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1282920135&sr=8-1

    PS3 250gb bare in France is €314.95
    ht*p://w*w.amazon.fr/Console-PS3-Slim-250-Go/dp/B000N4NMZS/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1282920215&sr=8-5

    PS3 320gb is still unavailable.

    In Germany the PS3 120gb bare is €299.95
    ht*p://w*w.amazon.de/PlayStation-Konsole-inkl-Wireless-Controller/dp/B003L771LA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1282920331&sr=8-1

    In germany the 250gb PS3 (with game & controller) is €346.99
    ht*p://w*w.amazon.de/PlayStation-Konsole-inkl-Wireless-Controller/dp/B0035OJH5C/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1282920467&sr=8-5

    The 320gb sku is still unavailable.

    You might like to rethink your idiotic post phranc, the UK doesn’t use the Euro (€) we use the £ sterling.

  32. phranctoast:

    Amazon UK are also doing the PS2 120gb model with an HDMI cable free, and a select game for £10 @ £299.99

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002L16JXS/ref=s9_al_bw_ir01?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0JJ68RQY4J8AK0JSPB12&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=212217827&pf_rd_i=16423381

  33. phranctoast:

    “You might like to rethink your idiotic post phranc, the UK doesn’t use the Euro (€) we use the £ sterling.”

    My bad asshole

  34. phranctoast:

    Move is also selling better now that Kinect on Amazon UK.

    who would have thought.lol

  35. Barnabe Jones:

    If they are both priced the same…

    The PS3 still has the advantages of:

    -Blu-ray
    -Free lifetime online play and PSN
    -rechargeable controller

    360 simply can’t compete on value.

  36. Happyhockum:

    Oh dear, back to relying on Amazon rankings huh?

    Go ahead, you did that before & set yourself up to fall flat on your face.

    You can try and cherry pick people clearing stocks of the old dead sku 120gb PS3 if you like but it’s necessarily a short-term and highly limited thing of little or no real consequence.
    Just like the old Jasper Elites & Super Elites currently being sold off for a song are not much of a guide to anything.

    As I showed above the truth is that PS3 simply cannot compete on price with Xbox S.

    A$$hole.

  37. Happyhockum:

    Barnabe Jones

    Yeah but the thing you’re working so hard to ignore is that in the UK & Europe they absolutely are not the same price, there’s a big price difference.

  38. Roca.:

    @HH

    even at a higher price the PS3 is a no brain right now.
    >The most exclusives realising on a regular basis
    >The better rated exclusives offering the most innovations in their genres
    >Bluray player
    >HD3D movies and games
    >Free Online
    >Catch up TV:
    *BBC’s iPlayer (EU & Aus)
    *Mubu (EU & Aus)
    *Vidzone (EU & Aus)
    *PlayTV Live Chat (EU & Aus)
    *iTV (UK)
    *Animax (Ger)
    *TV3 (Spain)
    *YLE (Finland)
    *NOS (Holland)
    *Yahoo!7′s PLUS7 (Aus)

    no wonder the PS3 leads in Europe

  39. phranctoast:

    “Oh dear, back to relying on Amazon rankings huh?

    Go ahead, you did that before & set yourself up to fall flat on your face.”

    Not as bad as you fall flat on your face whenever you bring up numbers and Microsoft’s own fiscal reports make you look like a retard.

    “You can try and cherry pick people clearing stocks of the old dead sku 120gb PS3 if you like but it’s necessarily a short-term and highly limited thing of little or no real consequence.”

    The 160GB SKU will cost the same when it’s released.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-Slim-Console-Model/dp/B003ZYEC1G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1282921459&sr=1-1

  40. Liquid:

    actually happy it was CON who was raving about amazon rankings for kinect. . .

  41. Roca.:

    HH – “Xbox S Arcade no games @ £130″

    doesn’t Kinect cost about the same? It seems that in UK it will be cheaper to buy 4 Moves for 4 player than buying a single Kinect downgraded camara. LMAO

    Phran – “My bad asshole”

    LMAO.

  42. phranctoast:

    @BJ
    The cheapest profile 2.0 Blu Ray player on the Amazon UK site I found was £96.

  43. Roca.:

    @Phranc

    How much does a 3D bluray player cost? just in case a new console buyer (or a 360 owner) is interested in it

  44. phranctoast:

    @Roca
    The cheapest 3D blu ray player is £158.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_145104147_2?ie=UTF8&plgroup=3&docId=1000430793&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=left-2&pf_rd_r=1F06871D291JA5YY8J4J&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=212216447&pf_rd_i=413270031

  45. Happyhockum:

    3D.

    Ha ha ha ha

    Typical straw clutching.

  46. Roca.:

    [£140]360 Arcade
    [£96/£158] BD player/3D BD player
    [£33/year] Online play
    [£65] 250GB HDD

    vs

    [£300] PS3 120GB/160GB w/all the above

    which one is a better deal?

  47. phranctoast:

    Hey Roca…

    Remember when Wifi was also “typical straw clutching”?

    Watch the next Xbox have a Blu Ray player built in.

  48. Roca.:

    “Hey Roca…

    Remember when Wifi was also “typical straw clutching”?”

    hahaha, you beat me to it. I do remember when wifi and bigger HDD were “typical straw clutching”. now both wifi and bigger HDD are bulletpoints for HH and the new 360S

  49. jojo29:

    LOL Roca and Phranc

    HH the dumbshit’s straw clutching arguments of the past:

    -relying on Amazon, yet HH constantly resorts to Amazon
    - Included BR player
    - Upgradeable HDD
    - Wifi
    - Free Online
    - Bluetooth

    All were considered “straw clutching”….HH you truly are a fucking moronic dumbshit…

    Oh well, take comfort in the following:

    Sony’s Playstation 3 is THE DE FACTO superior piece of hardware…its cemented..

    Sony’s Playstation 3 is less than 3 million away from taking the lead over the 360..it will happen with Gran Turismo 5 and Move…if it doesn’t well, we have Move titles, Killzone 3, Twisted Metal, LBP2, Infamous 2, Resistance 3, Insomniac’s new title…and countless, COUNTLESS other exclusives that WILL, collectively, put a Captain Planet like foot in your MS’ ass…

    - Blu Ray has made the difference IN ALL the following; Graphics, Gameplay, Content..

    - Wifi was proven to be a system seller after all your bitching..

    - Upgradeable HDD has been another driving force for the Sony Playstation 3…

    - Sony’s Playstation Network has become the SUPERIOR ONLINE GAMING EXPERIENCE, combined with Playstation Network Plus…LIVE/LIVE Gold just looks childish now..

    I’m glad HH the dumbshit is not happy about the above…maybe now he will /wrists for reals now…or maybe his parents will finally, find him accidently hung in his basement…

    Let’s see how serious he takes my comments lol

  50. Happyhockum:

    Ha ha ha ha

    Yeah, shame the sales numbers don’t support the Pbot claim of how ‘awesome’ they think PS3 is in all catagories.

    Suck it up –

    “New analysis by Forecasting and Analyzing Digital Entertainment (Fade) shows that the average PSN title grosses around $730,000 (GBP 471,700) during its lifespan, compared to $1.1 million among Xbox Live Arcade games.

    The analyst’s figures also showed that no PSN game has sold more than 500,000 copies, while Xbox Live has had four million-sellers, including the recent Trials HD”

    The fact is the people already voted with their cash & Xbox is (by a mile) the better selling of the 2.

    ….and of course Wii has set a standard the other 2 stand no chance whatsoever of catching.
    So much for those little lists there, eh?

    LMAO

    The rest here is just the usual Pbot pathetic whiney brattish fanboy weeping.
    It is funny tho.

  51. Happyhockum:

    Boo hoo hoo.

  52. Happyhockum:

    Ooops forgot the linky –

    http://www.train2game.com/Games-Design-News/Gaming-Industry-News/PlayStation-Network-yet-to-match-Xbox-Live-success$800043815.html

  53. ncaissie:

    “IGN has put together…… without getting into opinion territory…..”

    Yeah sure.

  54. jojo29:

    ROFL!!!

    $1million/$700,00….WOW, a whopping $300….

    And your telling me, during the ENTIRE lifespan of the “whole” LIVE experience, which dates back to the original Xbox, has ONLY managed to pony up 4…4…$1million selling titles?….

    Wow….yeah, LIVE is so much ‘greater’ than PSN…ROFL…

    That also despite having a one year headstart…despite, according to HH, being a cheaper system….having a ‘more’ evolved online infrastruture…

    yeah…surely something to gloat about….

    - ~$300k worth of sales….
    - 4 whopping $1 million titles..

    You also left out this part of the article dumbshit:

    “However, Benjamin Schlichter, director of research and analysis at Fade, pointed out that many developers are still able to find success via PlayStation Network.”

    Which is why more and more developers are producing more and more titles soley on PSN..

    “He said: “We find that 22 per cent of all titles have recorded over $1 million in revenue, a figure that should be encouraging to developers that are interested in the platform.”

    Wow, despite not hitting the $1 million sale mark, PSN is still profitable..

    Yes, sales numbers are on target…HH your truly are a dumbshit…

    You just can’t stand all the success the PS3 has had eh? EVERYONE here, both multi-console owner and ps3 owner, contributes and credits Sony…except you…why is that you hypocritical dumbshit?

    Oh well, the proof in in the pudding..

    Kinect is a disappointment thus far
    the 360 is showing its age
    PSN is better than LIVE

    read and cry like the little troll bitch you are HH…

  55. ncaissie:

    “It’s not like the PS3 can do something that the 360 can’t do already no matter how many time Sony makes that crazy bullshit statement. ”

    LMFAO Sure dipshit.
    There is NO FUCKIN WAY the 360 can run GOW 3 at t he level it plays on the PS3. Or Uncharted 2 and even though it’s not released yet GT5 will be the same.

  56. ncaissie:

    “Perhaps 360 exclusive devs just aren’t spending as much time, do not have as many resources, or do not have as much “expertise” or familiarization with 360 hardware as you say (and, to a degree, I have said in the past). ”
    Enough with the fuckin excuses. We ALL know the 360 doesn’t have the power to handle that level of Epic.
    You would think after 5 years you idiots would come out of denial. Oh well, I feel sorry for you boyfriends to have to put up with you guys. LOL

  57. Roca.:

    It’s kind funny watching HH get PWND on a daily basis.

  58. ncaissie:

    “1 year makes a big difference huh? I believe the specs for the PS3 were already stablished years before it came out”
    That concept is beyond everyone here Roca.

  59. phranctoast:

    “Yeah, shame the sales numbers don’t support the Pbot claim of how ‘awesome’ they think PS3 is in all catagories.”

    Except they do.

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=20911504#post20911504

    In fact if you look at Microsofts Fiscal reports There is only a period of 6 months (October 08-March 09) for the 360′s whole lifetime in which it outsold a Sony made product. When the PS2 sales dropped the PS3 was right there to pick up where it left off.

    The PS3 outsold the 360 in MS fiscal years of 2007-2008 (July07 to July08)
    2009-2010 as well.

  60. ncaissie:

    @BJ
    “360 simply can’t compete on value.”
    Value means nothing to the Xbots.
    MS proved that many times over.

  61. CAD:

    ““1 year makes a big difference huh? I believe the specs for the PS3 were already stablished years before it came out”
    That concept is beyond everyone here Roca.”

    Well that’s the problem it’s your believe and not the truth. Are you that nieve to think that in that 1 year lead Sony didn’t open up the guts of a 360 and checked it out. Come on don’t be stupid. They like ran to Nvidia last minuite to try and get embedded DRAM but Nvidia can’t do that.

    “They [Sony] were going to have the Cell be the video processor. But they didn’t know what they were doing. They said the Cell is the video processor. But they turned to Nvidia at the last minute, but Nvidia can’t do embedded DRAM. Go look at the bandwidth problems. Go ask the guys running … now. They took their year and burned it by not having a decent CPU strategy and then turning to Nvidia at the last minute. It’s a very unusual thing. Those processors are isolated from each other.”

  62. Roca.:

    it’s was proven [Uncharted 2, Infamous 2] that the SPUs on the PS3′s Cell are capable of handling graphics. BG didn’t know wtf he was talking about.

  63. Roca.:

    what was the excuse for MS for not including HDMI, wifi, bluetooth, 7.1 LPCM surround & standard HDD?

    I bet a original PS3 owner will still be happy with his purchase than a original 360 owner (or any arcade owner).

  64. Roca.:

    ^ correction – I bet a original PS3 owner will still be happy with his purchase while a original 360 owner (or any arcade owner) will mosly likely be pissed about his purchase.

  65. Happyhockum:

    LMAO

    The Pbot support group at work.

  66. jojo29:

    LMAO
    HH the dumbshit got served….and doesn’t have any counter point…Hahahaha!

    Cry on little bitch

  67. Rimmer:

    “There is NO FUCKIN WAY the 360 can run GOW 3 at t he level it plays on the PS3. Or Uncharted 2 and even though it’s not released yet GT5 will be the same.” ok then smart guy give us some proof to that statement. And don’t even bother wheeling out the old ” but none of the xbox games look as good” argument which is highly flawed.

  68. Roca.:

    I think he already mentioned some valid proof

  69. CarlB:

    “1 year makes a big difference huh? I believe the specs for the PS3 were already stablished years before it came out.”

    Yes, one year makes a huge difference in the computer hardware/tech world. Consoles have “generations” every 5-10 years, but they are based on computer hardware. Computer hardware has “generations” every 1-2 years, depending on the components you speaking of. Specs can be established before the next console comes out and still change over time as technology advances, they are not concrete. Any company that wants to be competitive will adjust theirs properly in order to match or trump the competition’s product.

    “As Mike mentioned:
    ‘Sony started crafting the PS3 early on while the PS2 was still going strong and even before Microsoft started developing the Xbox 360 as revealed by Venture Beat.’”

    “started crafting” does not mean specs were finalized.

    “there is no excuse for not including Bluetooth 2.0, 7.1 LPCM surround, HDD, RAM speed, wifi, ‘native’ 1080p support & HDMI ports – those feature were pretty much standard at the time”

    Bluetooth, 7.1, XDR RAM, wifi, 1080p, and HDMI were no where near “standard” in 2005 when 360 launched.

  70. Happyhockum:

    Rimmer

    There is no proof of any of their cr@p, it’s just the same 3 or 4 fanboy w@nkers who talk-up PS3 at every opportunity & pretend what little differences there are are massive whilst bashing Xbox for all they are worth.

    No life saddos who live here 24/7 to promote PS3.

    It’s pitiable really.

  71. Happyhockum:

    Not forgetting that Microsoft knew exactly what Sony were up to with PS3 and designed the Xbox accordingly so that even today the differences are minute – with the huge exception of Xbox being profitable because it did not have to do anything but meet the competition as a game console – rather than try to be all sorts of silly things
    (like that ridiculous ‘media centre’ idea or be the trojan horse in foisting Blu-ray on the public).

  72. jojo29:

    Rimmer

    God War 3 wouldn’t fit on one DVD9 disc, they would have to compress the hell out of it…

    and thus once they compress it, the quality is lost…

    That not even taking into account how the SPEs are used….

    There is the proof in my ‘wanker’ crap…

    Lets see what HH the dumbshit has to say about that other than ‘ppbot bullocks pathetic here comes the psgang’ hypocritical dipshitted non-sense he is always spewing instead of actually contributing to the topic at hand….

  73. jojo29:

    @HH
    It took the xbox all 4 years before it became profitable…NOT EVEN INCLUDING the time when the original xbox was bleeding money for MS..

    Try again dumbshit..

  74. CarlB:

    Oddly enough, the console with the least amount of specs (Wii) is receiving the most amount of playtime from me at the moment, and I think Barnabe can say the same. This isn’t to say I don’t appreciate the power in my PS3, but just that as a gamer first, quality gameplay that appeals to me personally is what matters most.

    I’m going to have to say this years exclusive (not timed exclusive) offerings on PS3 and Wii appeal to me more than 360′s so far. However, I am most looking forward to Fable III for the rest of the year.

    “thus once they compress it, the quality is lost…”

    Considering the way the 360 version of RDR turned out, I believe God of War III could be done on 360, and the spectrum of differences would be the same except in favor of PS3. These differences are not nearly as monumental as the graphical differences between Wii and the HD consoles, and as such probably have less impact on the gaming public in general. Professional reviewers who have the setup, time, and pay to compare them side by side will see the difference in quality, but I doubt most will care greatly, as long as they get to enjoy the game itself.

  75. ncaissie:

    @Rimmer
    ” ok then smart guy give us some proof to that statement. ”
    If it was possible MS would have made it happen already. Think about it.

  76. ncaissie:

    “Considering the way the 360 version of RDR turned out, I believe God of War III could be done on 360, and the spectrum of differences would be the same except in favor of PS3. ”

    Go back to fighting wars because you know nothing about tech.

  77. Roca.:

    RDR doesnt even look that good LMAO.

    many 360 games look better than RDR and all PS3 exclusives look better than anything on 360..go figure

  78. Rimmer:

    compressing files, if done right would have no significant effect on the visuals – an uncompressed 50mb image would reduce down to 31mb as a lossless compressed tiff, 12mb max quality jpeg or 1.7mb medium quality jpeg. same goes for audio and to a lesser degree video files. the perceivable loss in quality is practically non existent. sticking a full bluray onto 1-3 dvds has no effect on the quality if done right (FF13 was crap on the 360 because of the large amount of HD FMV which was poorly compressed). ID originally bitched about struggling to fit their new megatextures without bluray but that probably has more to do with boasting about how big their textures are and they have since shown the engine to be running on an iphone, so that is moot.
    On the otherhand with games that are released onto both platforms it has been shown time and time again that the two are virtually identical. and before you start harping on about how the ps3 version is always intentionally crippled (which makes no sense whatsoever) how come 9 times out of 10 the 360 version is shown to be superior?
    And the use of SPEs? how is that proof? the 360 has 6 active threads whereas the ps3 has 6 available SPEs.
    “If it was possible MS would have made it happen already. Think about it.” – Sonys sales pitch has always been about having the best graphics so they have invested huge amounts of money in developing new games engines. who knows how much financial support they gave to ensure that GOW3 or UC2 look as good as they do? I doubt MS have ever offered much financial support in developing new games engines that look pretty. That just isn’t their priority. You could offer the counter argument: if the PS3 is so superior why aren’t multiplat devs able to make the ps3 editions noticably better?

  79. CarlB:

    “Go back to fighting wars because you know nothing about tech.”

    You disagree with me saying PS3 would come out on top if the same game were on 360 and they were both built from the ground up for each version’s respective platform? I guess we’ll agree to disagree.

    “how come 9 times out of 10 the 360 version is shown to be superior?”

    Because 360 is most identical to conventional pc architecture (using CotS), whereas the PS3′s architecture takes specialized training and experience, especially to maximize it’s power.

    “why aren’t multiplat devs able to make the ps3 editions noticably better?”

    They probably are, but I would venture to guess most multiplatform developers do not have any real financial gain to look forward to that would give them incentive to go the extra mile on the PS3 version.

  80. ncaissie:

    “You disagree with me saying PS3 would come out on top if the same game were on 360 and they were both built from the ground up for each version’s respective platform? ”
    Yes

    The PS3 simply has a lot more power than the 360. Enough to see a big difference.
    That is like saying that you can get just as much light from a 40 watt bulb (360) as a 100 watt bulb (PS3).

  81. ncaissie:

    “if the PS3 is so superior why aren’t multiplat devs able to make the ps3 editions noticably better?”

    Because they try saving money by only developing the game once and because it has to play on the 360 they use the lowest common denominator. It’s common sense.

  82. Roca.:

    @Rimmer

    so where are those 360 titles that look as good as all the PS3 exclusives? actions (in this case, “the games”) speak louder then words.

    Gears 2 is still the best looking 360 game while the PS3 has been putting out the best graphics in almost every single genre.

  83. CarlB:

    “That is like saying that you can get just as much light from a 40 watt bulb (360) as a 100 watt bulb (PS3).”

    Actually, you can get more light from a 40 watt LED bulb (up to 2000 lumens) than a 100 watt incandescent bulb (1750 lumens).

    http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/43232-40-watt-led-says-let-there-be-2000-lumens-of-light

    The thing is, we both can agree PS3′s graphics would be theoretically better for the same multiplatform game. The margin of difference, even if great, would probably only be implemented in a very few multiplatform games, and by the time this did happen to be a trend, if ever, we would already be putting in our orders for the next gen consoles.

  84. Happyhockum:

    The margin (if it even truly exists at all) is mainly a figment of the Pbot imaginiation.
    Mountains & molehills.

  85. Roca.:

    @HH

    you barely plat xbox games and you dont even have a PS3 so your opinions on the subject can be thrown out the window right off the bat.

    The graphics of exclusives are not even comparable, the best looking FPS on 360 is CoD and KZ2 looks wat better. There must be a reason why KZ2 was being compared to KZ2 instead of CoD or the Haloz.

    Gears 2 is not match to Uncharted 2 and GoW3 leaves everything on 360 in the dust.

  86. Happyhockum:

    Mountains & molehills.

  87. Happyhockum:

    …..and coming from the guy who plays 5 mins of his Xbox games (and lies about how far he has got with them) and then on that basis starts pronouncing as if he knows all about those games that’s more than a little laughably pathetic Roca.

  88. Roca.:

    I have played more recent games than you have…. and I got both system while you are assuming things about a console you dont even have and making claims about a console you barely play.

    360 doesnt even come close in graphics compare to all the great looking PS3 exclusive – there must be a reason why many PS3 exclusive has been winning awards in the graphical department.

  89. Happyhockum:

    Roca

    “there must be a reason why many PS3 exclusive has been winning awards in the graphical department”

    You know what most of that is down to?
    It’s because they have to justify themselves and saying they all look much the same just isn’t considered acceptable.

    Mountains & molehills.

    I’ve seen and played a fair bit of PS3 stuff to know there’s b*gger all difference when it comes to it.

    …..in fact it’s amusing to let my PS3 owning friends have a blast on the Xbox and see them admit they look and sound exactly the same.

  90. Roca.:

    of course…..coming from a guy who’s been in denial and holds a grudge against Sony ever since they sent HDDVD back to its grave.

    last time I check you were claiming ODST looks as good as Uncharted 2 – see how laughable ur claims usually are

    I believe the games, awards & the media speak louder than your pathetic & unsupported claims.

  91. Happyhockum:

    Mountains and molehills.

    Same old same old with you, big up PS3 at every opportunity & bash Xbox.
    Talk about old.

  92. Roca.:

    nobody is bashing the xbox….laying down the facts is not bashing. When you can come up with titles that looks as good as GT5, U2, KZ2, GoW3, R&C, Heavy Rain and MGS4 then that’s when you’ll have a valid argument.

    Until then, everytime I see you comparing 360vsPS3 titles I just have to remember your infamous “ODST looks as good as Uncharted 2″ to discard your retarded claim all together.

  93. Happyhockum:

    You are always bashing Xbox.

    In fact your view is so laughably f*cked up that you Pbots throw a sh!t-fit at anyone daring to not agree with your supine worship of PS3/Sony etc and label that as ‘hate’ bashing etc etc.

    The fact is your schtick is well worn-out.

    All you ever do here is big-up PS3 & bash Xbox.

  94. jojo29:

    HH you dumshit

    Your the only on whose worn out here

    We have had great debates with the likes of Rimmer, carlb, even CAD, both sides usually agreeing on solid points..

    Your views are the only ones we can easily, and laughably dismiss due to you being such a ms cocksucker..

  95. Roca.:

    @HH

    as they – show me, don’t tell me.
    Until you can support you claim all I hear is more of the same bullshit from you. so you are making fanboy claims based on you own imagination and that’s why you have nothing to back up your laughable claims

  96. jojo29:

    @Rimmer
    “compressing files, if done right would have no significant effect on the visuals – an uncompressed 50mb image would reduce down to 31mb as a lossless compressed tiff, 12mb max quality jpeg or 1.7mb medium quality jpeg. same goes for audio and to a lesser degree video files. the perceivable loss in quality is practically non existent. sticking a full bluray onto 1-3 dvds has no effect on the quality if done right (FF13 was crap on the 360 because of the large amount of HD FMV which was poorly compressed).”

    Compression, no matter how good, ALWAYS EQUALS loss of quality..hence having to use compression to begin with…and as for FF using ‘crap’ technique due to CGI….well, thats pretty sad that the 360 couldn’t even handle simple CGI @1080p…see? LOSS of quality…im willing to bet Square used the best techniques they can….or how about this: If the 360 could have handled it…why did they even have to use compression techniques to begin with? and if the difference in visuals is as minute as you say, because you know the 360 can handle it right?, why the FULL video drop from 1080p, to 720p…

    “ID originally bitched about struggling to fit their new megatextures without bluray but that probably has more to do with boasting about how big their textures are and they have since shown the engine to be running on an iphone, so that is moot.”

    So now we are handing out PR excuses for the 360 now are we? ID know what they are doing…either way, you can deny BR as an advantage, but even ID clearly think it is…

    “On the otherhand with games that are released onto both platforms it has been shown time and time again that the two are virtually identical. and before you start harping on about how the ps3 version is always intentionally crippled (which makes no sense whatsoever) how come 9 times out of 10 the 360 version is shown to be superior?”

    This one is easy….ALL multiplatform games, are done in a PC enviroment…advantage goes to the 360, as it is a more PC streamlined development enviroment..thus much easier to port what their target development goal is from the PC to the console…kudos to MS for making it easier on multiplatform developers…whereas on the PS3, because of the SPE and Cell, its not exactly a direct port, and has proved to be a tough situation, as apparent on the ‘inferior’ ports..Developers like EA, Capcom, Konami though, have now stated that when the PS3 is the port focused enviroment, overall graphics on BOTH systems go UP…odd eh? Not really, when the PS3 is used as the front runner of ports, overall graphics go up due to its superior hardware…but, not all multiplat companies are able to dedicate that kind of time…so advantage still lies with the simple 360 hardware..

    “Sonys sales pitch has always been about having the best graphics so they have invested huge amounts of money in developing new games engines. who knows how much financial support they gave to ensure that GOW3 or UC2 look as good as they do? I doubt MS have ever offered much financial support in developing new games engines that look pretty. That just isn’t their priority. You could offer the counter argument: if the PS3 is so superior why aren’t multiplat devs able to make the ps3 editions noticably better?”

    Then that’s microsoft fault for defaulting the best graphics games to Sony…so until they do invest heavily into their own first party titles, they will continue to look, well no better than Gears 2,(<—not even a first party developer), which is 2 year title and the 360 wont compete graphically…Sonys games are looking better and better…360s have looked the same since Gears 2…Halo Reach you say? Halo ODST with a slight update in graphics won't win them any graphics awards…and like you said its their choice not make graphics their thing…but, until then you can't argue the PS3 is the KING of graphics this generation

  97. CarlB:

    I think the 360′s main advantage is that it is most paralleled with standard pc architecture. And as advanced as PS3′s RAM is said to be, the dev for FFXIV stated there was not enough memory on PS3 to handle even the minimum PC requirements (1.5GB with XP), sending them back to the drawing board until next year, whereas it’s likely 360′s version would have been complete with the PC’s by now.

    eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/about/game_info

    However, it is interesting that this generation’s largest blockbuster developer, with a budget near $40-$60 million dollars and 4-6 years of development time could not eke out the spec advantages PS3 theoretically has on paper in one of, if not the best, games of this year:

    “720p resolution on Xbox 360 along with 2x multi-sampling anti-aliasing. PlayStation 3 on the other hand renders at a significantly lower resolution: 1152×640… there’s little doubt that the 360 version presents more resolution and more detail, and this is rather more important than it would be in many other games… the ‘jaggies’ are a bit more pronounced on PS3… the further away detail is, the more you “lose” on PS3 as there isn’t as much resolution to support it… we see that both games are capped at 30 frames per second, but it’s the PlayStation 3 version that is more prone to dropping below this… Despite already compromising in terms of resolution and frame-rate, it’s clear Rockstar had to cut and pare back the PS3 version of the game still further in order to maintain performance… there has been some significant paring back of detail on the PS3 version of the game… alpha-to-coverage transparency type is used on both systems, but looks considerably worse on PS3 owing to the reduced resolution… Rockstar had to pick and choose where to make compromises in order to retain performance, and even then this compromise still fails to match what is being provided by the Xbox 360 version of the game in terms of frame-rate in the more action-orientated sequences… the water effect is somewhat reduced on PS3, and occasionally entire shadows appear to be absent… the view distance on PS3 has been pulled back (or rather forward), although it’s more accurate to say that view detail has been reduced. Xbox 360 gives you more detail further away, not just in terms of raw resolution but with actual object placement too… We’ve demonstrated conclusively that the Xbox 360 version of Red Dead Redemption possesses higher resolution, improved levels of detail, noticeably superior performance in-game and fewer jaggies… Shadows are generally sharper, and of better quality on (particularly on the characters’ self-shadows) on 360… the technical analysis is pretty conclusive: if you’ve got the choice of buying the game for either console, Xbox 360 is the version of Red Dead you should buy.”

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-red-dead-redemption-face-off

    Red Dead Redemption is the highest rated game this year, higher even than God of War III. If a developer like Rockstar can’t pull significantly better graphics off on PS3 with 4-6 years of development time and $40-$60 million dollars, it’s highly unlikely others will anytime soon. Id has the best shot next year with Rage.

  98. Happyhockum:

    Oh my CarlB, they’re not going to like those sorts of facts around here you know.

    lol ;)

  99. Roca.:

    LMAO….more multiplatform games that are tailored and developed with the 360 in mind.

    neither of those games are going to with over GoW3, U2 and KZ2 in the graphics department – again where are those 360 games that can compete against the PS3 exclusive in graphics?

    PS3 wins by default ;)

  100. Happyhockum:

    Ha ha ha ha.

    Laughable denial.

    PS3, for when you absolutely positively have to have the guaranteed 2nd rate version of all the hit 3rd party games.

  101. Happyhockum:

    One has to wonder how come (if PS3 sales have been so good & leading Xbox in the last while as the Pbots claim) how come 3rd party games are still tailored to Xbox.

    Must be those game sales numbers, even the 1st party games the Pbots rave about don’t sell in numbers approaching Xbox numbers.

    There’s that double-edge to the Blu-ray video player BS, neither quite one thing nor the other but every dev knows a ton of them were sold as video players and the hoped for cross-over back to gaming never quite came off.

  102. jojo29:

    HH the dumbshit

    Its common fukcing sense when a ps3 gamer is given 10 games to choose from(3multiplats, 7 exclusive)….each game sale is not gonna have the same quantity as a 360 gamer that has only 5 games to choose from (3multiplat,2exclusive)….that’s why your multiplat sales debate is both stupid and wrong

  103. CarlB:

    “neither of those games are going to with over GoW3, U2 and KZ2 in the graphics department”

    Perhaps not, but I and several others have one more reason to play this year’s best rated game on 360 instead of PS3.

  104. jojo29:

    Enjoy it :) i know i will when it does release, as the differences are pretty minute, but i digress, we both will be able to enjoy it..

    Also, i will enjoy titles such as LittleBigPlanet 2, Gran Turismo 5, on top of whatever Move titles manages to grab my attention…i’ll have to try and squeeze one of the multiplatform games that both you and i can enjoy, but since 360 owners can’t play the aforementioned titles, i guess they will just have to enjoy yet another halo title, Halo: Reach, and whatever games Kinect grab your attention, and whatever multiplatform games we both could enjoy….

    Hope you can see the added layer that Sony First Party Exclusive’s bring :)

  105. jojo29:

    ^^ Which is another reason to own PS3 instead of a 360

  106. CarlB:

    Exclusives are a reason to own another console instead of just one. Any exclusives add a layer of value to whatever console they come to. Each of the big three have there own quality exclusives this year that are worth enjoying regardless of graphics. Right now I’m enjoying Super Mario Galaxy on the least graphically capable of all the systems.

    I’m not particularly looking forward to playing Halo: Reach, Gears of War 3, LBP2, or Gran Turismo 5, but rather Fable 3, Castlevania Lords of Shadow, Fallout New Vegas, Dead Rising 2, Metroid Other M, Star Wars The Force Unleashed 2, Splatterhouse, Majin, and Disney Epic Mickey for the rest of the year.

  107. Roca.:

    soo….the PS3 exclusive still look better.
    the topic was about graphics not about preferences.

  108. Happyhockum:

    Actually the topic is about how each console stacks up against the others.

    For all the ridiculous Pbot tech claims the console way out in the lead is the least tech advanced one (in fact if you count the hand-helds like the DS even more so).

  109. CarlB:

    soo….though a handful of PS3 exclusives may be pretty, it doesn’t make much of a difference if Wii exclusive games are reviewed better overall, let alone multiplats (like this years best- RDR) that often look better on 360 and outnumber PS3 exclusives anyway. Specs mean jack if the majority of developers can’t take advantage of them without breaking the bank for multiplatform titles.

  110. jojo29:

    “Actually the topic is about how each console stacks up against the others.”

    Exactly:

    Hardware: Advantage PS3

    Software Exclusives: Advantage PS3

    Overall Value/Price: Advantage PS3

    Overall Online Experience: Advantage PS3

    Easier Development Cycles/Performance: Advantage 360

    Best Graphics: PS3

    Overall Best rated games: Subjective…<—see, CarlB, this is what you are trying to argue, the article is a non-biased, look at the hardware in which the PS3 wins..

    With the advent of PSN+, the overall online experience is better on PSN, as evident by your recent praise of it on your forum topic..

    We already agreed that the PS3 does indeed have the best graphics, which is why, now, HH, and to an extent yourself, are arguing ratings/sales…which has nothing to do with who has the best graphics: PS3, just as of right now, 360 holds the lead, and we can't debate that, right now, PS3 has the crown in the graphical department…

  111. jojo29:

    ^^BECAUSE of the hardware, i forgot to mention

  112. jojo29:

    Metal Gear Solid 4
    Uncharted
    Uncharted 2
    Killzone 2
    Gran Turismo 5
    God of War 3
    Heavy Rain
    (Killzone 3)
    (Uncharted 3)
    (Resistance 3)
    (Infamous 2)

    thats more than a handful…excluding the games in paranthesis..

  113. jojo29:

    Halo
    Fable
    Gears
    Forza

    Thats all the 360′s got, and two of those series have been on other platforms…

  114. CarlB:

    “Overall Best rated games: Subjective…”

    Which is why Metacritic aggregates reviews, to mitigate subjectivity. At this point in the gen, just because one platform (Wii) has a few more favorably rated exclusives on it than the others (PS3/360) does not automatically discount the others, especially considering how outnumbered those exclusives are by quality multiplatform titles. The, “But MY list is bigger!!!” argument looks ignorant, and more so when you are only talking about 5-7 more games out of hundreds available on each platform. Each console has a comparable list of universally acclaimed games and favorably reviewed games.

  115. CarlB:

    Best Graphics: PS3 (except in the best rated game this generation, and the best rated game this year… oops)

  116. Roca.:

    PS3 does produce a better quality lineup than the 360, and has been doing it constantly since 2008 (3 years in a row). Not only that, but PS3 has also produced graphics ahead of anything on any other console.

  117. CarlB:

    God of War III was good… but I liked Red Dead Redemption better. I just got through with 120 stars on Super Mario Galaxy… amazing. Right now I’m waiting on Metroid: Other M to come in.

  118. Roca.:

    uhmmm.Okaaaay………

  119. CarlB:

    I know it sounds strange roca, but we used to talk about the games we were playing and looking forward to on this site in addition to whatever the topic was.

  120. Roca.:

    oh I see….
    nice way to avoid the topic, you almost had me ;)

  121. jojo29:

    Carlb, glad you enjoyed rdr, I personally can’t wait to pick it up, but it doesn’t change the fact ps3 still has the best looking games this gen period…

    But ps3 having the best gaming graphics, doesn’t change the fact that ssf4 was awesome, rdr was awesome….just, they aren’t the showcase for best graphics available on ps3….still enjoyable….

  122. phranctoast:

    WOW. So a game that was designed on the GTA engine with the 360 in mind still looks better with that same engine in one of todays games.. Surprise Surprise.

    FF13 (PS3) is running at a higher resolution than the 360 version in game and cutscenes. 720P in game and 1080p cutscenes…

    What’s that mean. Not much at all, just like the RDR comparison.

    Carlb has admitted that 360 pales in comparison when compared to the heavy hitters on the PS3. I mean…is it even a competition in this respect anymore? It’s been so well known for so long it’s considered the norm now. Big deal. Get yourself a PS3 if you want the best looking games. Carlb already proved graphics aren’t everything though. The Mario Galaxy games being a great example.
    I wish Nintendo would just be third party.

  123. CarlB:

    It is a surprise… being almost four years after the launch of the PS3, the budget for the game, the time spent in development of the game, and “teh superiorz” specs of PS3 actually still being a disadvantage for the PS3 years later in this year’s best rated game for either of the two systems, ultimately winding up with… it still looking better on the 360.

  124. phranctoast:

    It’s not a surprise because they are still using an engine from 2008. Which means the engine is even older than that.

  125. phranctoast:

    I believe mafia 2 is also on that same engine too.

  126. CarlB:

    If the engine was the exact same then the game itself wouldn’t look significantly better than GTAIV. I think it’s safe to say that RDR’s graphics are superior to GTAIV’s by a longshot.

  127. phranctoast:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Advanced_Game_Engine

  128. phranctoast:

    I Was wrong about Mafia 2 though.

  129. CarlB:

    Yes it is RAGE, but not the same version as used for GTAIV. It has advanced over the years since then, as evidenced in the graphic differences between these two titles. It is not the same, though it may share the same name. Saying it is is like saying Unreal Engine 1 is the same as Unreal Engine 3.

  130. phranctoast:

    I think by comparing it to the Unreal engines versions is a bit too much as the changes between them are drastic and happen at a 5 year cycle anyway.

    I have seen no evidence of them using an updated version of RAGE. even if they did it was hardly upgraded. The PS3 version of both GTA4 and RDR run at the exact resolution.

    And while you say RDR is superior by a longshot, I can’t say I agree too much with that. RDR had very scenic views and they looked great. In GTA you never really got to see all that far due to the buildings.

    I see what your saying that since the PS3 was out for so long the developers should tailor the games to max it out. I guess in the real world they just concentrate on getting the game out and looking as comparable as possible for the cheapest cost.

  131. phranctoast:

    I Hope they do Agent on an updated Engine though. Since it should be tailored specifically to the PS3….

  132. CarlB:

    One would think Sony would have shared some of it’s PS3 specific tools/techniques with the dev kits it sent out to multiplatform devs in order to mitigate extra costs/dev time by now. Guess not.

    Forgot about Agent… it will be interesting to see how it compares to RAGE (the game, not the engine) in graphics, as it is supposed to be tailored specifically to PS3 also according to Carmack.

  133. phranctoast:

    I think Sony does share it’s tools with third parties. There’s talk about Naughty Dog, Insomniac, and Santa Monica Studios giving toolsets away to third parties (which in the past never happened, because third parties were your competition).

    It’s still up to the developers to utilize them. Maybe they figured the tools they were using now were good enough, so why bother. I guess we’ll never know.

    Rage sounds like PR fluff by Carmack. Same thing can be said about Crynengine 2 and Crysis 2. They keep fluffing up the PS3 with talk and then all the videos I see are of the 360 version.

  134. phranctoast:

    Vanquish appears to be slightly better on the PS3 according to posts on Neogaf. Thats a surprise for a PS3 game, especially coming from Bayonetta’s developer.

    At least the Bayonetta sequel (please..as I know it didn’t do to well) will be on par with each other.

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