Killzone 2 use 50% of PS3’s power on Killzone 3’s engine – co-op reveal
Herman Hulst the managing director at Guerrilla Games spilled the beans on a long rumored feature of Killzone 3, the split screen co-op mode. Hulst talks about how the studio was able to keep the same level of quality by squeezing out more juice from the PS3.
Killzone 3 is a beast of a game being able to render 3D at 30fps at the same resolution. 3D requires the game to basically output double the fps to create stereoscopic images on screen. Killzone 3 in effect runs at 60fps.
Another reason why the PS3 is capable of outputting 3D at HD resolution is because the consoles unique HDMI 1.3 port, which has the necessary bandwidth. Yes, a limited form of 3D can be achieved on other systems like the Xbox 360, but its done by halving the resolution to sub-HD to fit on its narrow HDMI 1.2 port.
In an interview with 1Up, Hulst reveals just how advanced the Killzone 3 engine is. He stated:
You know, look at it for yourself. We found a lot of power after we completed Killzone 2. Just to give you an example on the graphics side: we pulled a level from Killzone 2 into the Killzone 3 engine and it ran at 50 percent. That’s how much power we’ve been able to find.
He then goes on to reveal for the first time the existence of the long rumored split screen co-op mode. He added:
You can see it in split screen co-op. We had to do the double rendering anyway. I don’t think there’s that much that’s suboptimal. Of course, there’s some trickery you have to do.
Hulst also talks a little about implementing PS3 Move into Killzone 3:
We try to broaden it by implementing features like Move. And Move implemented in the gun peripheral. I think that brings in an audience that isn’t necessarily familiar with the DualShock. It might be a PC gamer that’s not used to the two analog sticks. Sometimes it’s more intuitive for people to have a Move-like control.
Co-op support was one of the most requested features of Killzone 2, and it looks like the Guerrilla Games is listening to its fan base.
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December 15th, 2010
Really looking forward to this game! I just hope they tweak the controls a bit from KZ2. I mean I got use to it and was pulling off headshots like a pro, but it was still a little too heavy for my liking.
December 15th, 2010
I first played KZ2 and loved it. Then I played MW2 for a while. And when I went back to KZ2 I thought the controls were way too clunky and slow. But they are making it faster Kushy, not to the extent of COD but it’s still an improvement.
December 15th, 2010
The 3D in Killzone 3 makes the game…. well, less then good:
http://imagequalitymatters.blogspot.com/2010/10/eurogamer-expo-hands-on-killzone-3.html
2D:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZReVeyMqlsA/TCWoQ9DZd9I/AAAAAAAAAz8/tJC0Y6J9Sm4/s1600/a0037809_4c1ab1c3d77f8_3D.jpg
3D:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZReVeyMqlsA/TCWodfLqdmI/AAAAAAAAA0E/DS0FPijQyhM/s1600/a0037809_4c1ab21a782e6.jpg
December 15th, 2010
and the 360 seems maxed out – a 2008 title is still the best looking game they have
December 15th, 2010
Nice to hear this is fucking EPIC awesome.
KILLZONE 3
Resistance 3
UNCHARTED 3: Drake’s Deception
DC Universe
MotorStorm: Apocalypse
SOCOM 4: U.S. Navy SEALs
Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One
LittleBigPlanet 2
inFAMOUS 2
Those game got my money secure getting every game on that list for sure. And many more. Sony is definitely the greatest video game company in the world proven fact. They cannot be touch they are the GODS of video games. Now you can see why PS1 PS2 and PSP have sold so damn much. Highest quality game Only On PlayStation.
KILLZONE 3 i can’t wait to get it at the midnight launch.
December 15th, 2010
Ivan
Are you on Sonys payroll?. .and how old are you?
December 15th, 2010
OK. so it had split screen co op…..
Does it have online co op?
December 15th, 2010
@Godless
don’t feel bad just because you have no exclusive on 360 to be excited about..
December 15th, 2010
godless
stop typing…you lost all credability with your PSN ID…..lmao
December 15th, 2010
ncaissie
what the fuck is up with DC universe beta, i cant get past the bit where its checks your download speed. my max speed was 3.0mbps and i let it “checking game assets” for 10mins.. . .wat am i meant to do, i havent even got to play the damn thing yet.
December 15th, 2010
@Liquid
It is not just a ‘speed check’ for your speed – that’s is the speed of a massive 15GB download required to play the game.
mine took about an hour.. with a 3Mbps download speed you’ll be looking at 6+ hours…
December 15th, 2010
“Nice to hear this is fucking EPIC awesome.
KILLZONE 3
Resistance 3
UNCHARTED 3: Drake’s Deception
DC Universe
MotorStorm: Apocalypse
SOCOM 4: U.S. Navy SEALs
Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One
LittleBigPlanet 2
inFAMOUS 2
Those game got my money secure getting every game on that list for sure. And many more. Sony is definitely the greatest video game company in the world proven fact. They cannot be touch they are the GODS of video games. Now you can see why PS1 PS2 and PSP have sold so damn much. Highest quality game Only On PlayStation”
@Ivan
You know Ivan, I was going to compliment you last night about how you are not such an idiot with your recent posts! Something told me not to give you that credit just yet! You could just not help it could you? A few days of decent posts, then straight back to being a Sony PR idiot! Lol, you’re such a fucking loser!
December 15th, 2010
“I first played KZ2 and loved it. Then I played MW2 for a while. And when I went back to KZ2 I thought the controls were way too clunky and slow. But they are making it faster Kushy, not to the extent of COD but it’s still an improvement’
@dans303
Yeah any improvement is welcome. I don’t expect it or even want it to play like COD. It’s a different game and I would expect it to have it’s own feel. However KZ2 just did not feel right even after playing for so long.
December 15th, 2010
Hmmm ME2 for 11$ on amazon.. Does anyone know how much me2 ps3 version will cost when it releases in jan 2011
December 15th, 2010
Toshi,
It’ll probably be full price.
December 15th, 2010
Mass Effect 2 will be $60 with ME1 content and ALL ME2 DLCs.
December 15th, 2010
15gb!?!? fuck that will take forever! it took the mag beta 3hrs and that was only 4gb. . .
December 15th, 2010
@Liquid
The good thing is that you don’t have to do it all in one sitting – if you quit the download it will start right where it left off the next time you load the beta.
mine took about an hour and I left it downloading overnight
December 15th, 2010
“Mass Effect 2 will be $60 with ME1 content and ALL ME2 DLCs.”
@Roca
By ME1 contenet u mean Comic save generator
“ALL ME2 DLC’s” – u mean 2000 MS points – basically 20-25$
December 15th, 2010
“By ME1 contenet u mean Comic save generator”
good for me, I wasn’t planning to spend money and time on ME1 anyways.. I will barely have time for ME2 to begin with
I know…so many great exclusives on PS3.
I believe most of you xbots paid full price for it back in January with no DLCs so that’s another lame flamebait from you.
December 15th, 2010
toshi got owned….lmao
December 15th, 2010
“Hmmm ME2 for 11$ on amazon.. Does anyone know how much me2 ps3 version will cost when it releases in jan 2011″
Maybe at that cost in will finally surpass Uncharted 2 in sales
Naaaaah. Maybe when it’s available on more than one console it will.
December 15th, 2010
Toshi,
We know that the Xbox360 has the cheapest games. I stumbled across the latest sales info and the Ps3 didn’t do too well again in the U.S. during November. I guess it’s not always about the best hardware for some people.
December 15th, 2010
Yeah the download took a bit.
If your PSN signs out you need to stop and restart.
It continues the download.
I got booted a few times. Probably the load on the server the first day. Connect wired if you can.
December 15th, 2010
” it took the mag beta 3hrs and that was only 4gb. . ”
Thats cause the PS3 is slow with downloading stuff lol
December 15th, 2010
“I guess it’s not always about the best hardware for some people”
or the best games..
December 15th, 2010
@Fahkin
That indeed is true, an unfortunate side effect of owning the best console this gen…
PS3 Cons:
Slow download/patching/updating
Lack of cross game chat
360 Cons:
$60 a year to play online
Hardware still not trusted
IR wireless instead of BT
Lack of quality (quantity) exclusives
No hidef media format whatsoever
ALL company portals (Facebook/Netflix) require $60 Gold subscription to utilize…
Yeah…I’m comfortable with this “trade”
December 15th, 2010
Downloading has never been a problem for me. The installation usually takes me longer… odd.
December 15th, 2010
15gig in 40-45 minutes was not to slow.
December 15th, 2010
@jojo
I think your really exaggerating some of the 360 cons you have listed. Some of them are just total BS
For example
There is HD format on 360. Also there is no problem with IR wireless compared to BT. The Hardware is pretty reliable now. The Slim Xbox is pretty well done.
Seriously though, if your going to comeplain about something like the IR wireless, which is a time tested and proven tech, then you are just being pathetic.
Yeah the $60 a year shit gets old really quickly and I think it is totally ridiculas no matter how MS tries to justify it. Which is why I wont be going Gold for awhile (unless my girl gets me a Gold card for Xmas)
requiring Gold for facebook and netflix is stupid too. I don’t care about FB on consoles but Netflix is a great feature. I use it all the time on my PS3, and its FREE.
December 15th, 2010
Dude Gold for Xmas is $60 less on any other gift.
Either way you’re getting shafted. We hear this every year from some xbox owners.
December 15th, 2010
Mike, PM me your PSN ID. I wont post it. Did you get the DCUO beta?
Does anyone know if you have to pay two sub fees if you want to play on the PS3 and the PC? DCUO is a game I would like to test out my gaming rig on.
December 15th, 2010
“There is HD format on 360″
upscaled DVD count? LoL
we all know he’s talking about the fact that the 360 can’t play the only physical format for HD content.
December 15th, 2010
@ncaissie
You should be able to use your account on both PS3 and PC..you’d probably have to buy the PC version of the game.
December 15th, 2010
To me it wouldn’t be the cost of Gold, as who can’t afford $5/month…. but the principal….
December 15th, 2010
@phranc
I don’t like the principal of the thing either, but the price is wrong too. Alot of people can’t afford that extra $60 on top of the price of games.
Its beyond just that too…
When I had that last 3 month Gold sub I only used gold features for maybe 1/3 of the time. Why should I have to pay for all that time that I am not using it just so i can use it those days i feel like it?
Look at those pay as you go cell phone plans.
MS should totally do a business model like that. Either come up with a plan that only charges you for the days you use or allow people to use some reasonable amount of MS points to buy days of Gold
December 15th, 2010
“Alot of people can’t afford that extra $60 on top of the price of games”
on top of the ‘online pass’ price if you buy used game or want to playing on another 360 or another profile for some games.
December 15th, 2010
MS is too greedy.
December 15th, 2010
You can always use xbconnect.
December 15th, 2010
I hear ya. I concentrate on SP games mostly myself. Gold likely wouldn’t be worth it for me either.
MS could probably charge $10/month and few people would blink, now that some of them don’t play any other game other than 1, the cost becomes negligible as they aren’t buying anything else.
December 15th, 2010
“I believe most of you xbots paid full price for it back in January with no DLCs so that’s another lame flamebait from you.”
@
But i DID get it to play first so its fair..
December 15th, 2010
“I believe most of you xbots paid full price for it back in January with no DLCs so that’s another lame flamebait from you.”
When you guys get it on PS3 and you need some help making it through the Insanity difficulty level you can get some help here lmao.
Insanity was tough, but it was alot of fun.
December 15th, 2010
Fahkin
Dude get on a family plan. Get 4 buddies and sign up. That’s $25 a year. That’s the best deal to have for Live.
December 15th, 2010
Can’t complain. It comes with $30 of DLC. It’ll likely drop in price quickly too since it’s already out on the 360.
I’ll be playing LBP2 and Dead Space 2 before I even consider it.
December 15th, 2010
“Dude get on a family plan. Get 4 buddies and sign up. That’s $25 a year. That’s the best deal to have for Live.”
@CAD
Wait a min… family plan is not free?
@Phranc
“I’ll be playing LBP2 and Dead Space 2 before I even consider it”
That’s exactly why told toshi that I’ll beraly have time for ME2…
ME2 only cost me $30 with the 50% off coupon I got from EA (same goes for Dead Space 2)…so can complain.
Toshi failed at flamebait once again.
December 15th, 2010
I don’t like Little Big Planet. Little Big Planet sucks.
I never thought I would do this but I traded GT5 in and got Black Ops instead. So far, I like Black Ops.
December 15th, 2010
@Liquid – Don’t worry about it, DCUO isn’t worth it anyways.
December 15th, 2010
DCUO kicks ass.
I’m just in too much pain to play right now.
December 15th, 2010
SW
really? what can you do in it? can you customise your hero or villain a good bit or is it limited?? i doubt im gona dowload it if its 15gb..lol
December 15th, 2010
…..ive a feeling twilight is going to switch sides soon.
December 15th, 2010
“ive a feeling twilight is going to switch sides soon”
LMAO I was thinking the same.
DCUO is great,…maybe not as good as other MMO but I like for what it its at least try the beta so you can try it out for free before it’s over.
I going to create another character right now… a gadget based one lol
December 15th, 2010
Kushy:
Guess what I don’t care nor do I give a shit about what anyone thinks.
KILLZONE 3 is gonna own all FPS.
DC Universe looks fucking awesome too can’t wait to get it.
Oh I love my new iPod LoL is awesome well still sucks for games but that’s why I got all my PSPs for.
December 16th, 2010
@Liquid
It’s really repetitive IMO (you can play the game with one button, punch punch punch punch). It does have a fair amount of character customization but I was expecting more.
I’m going with Roca on this, it’s free, so you may as well give it a try
It was fun for a few hours anyways.
December 16th, 2010
Speaking of Mass Effect 2. IGN reports that the PS3 version (running on Unreal Engine of all things) looks better than the 360 version. Color me surprised.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/114/1140265p1.html
December 16th, 2010
Liquid and Roca,
It’s all Ncaissie’s and your fault Liquid. You both were talking about how good Black Ops was so I couldn’t take it anymore. I had to get Black Ops. This should not be a surprise to you two. I’ve stated numerous times that I love shooters and hack n’ slash type games the best. Phranctoast knows my tastes in games very well. We a few exceptions like Little Big Planet, we have similar tastes in games. That’s why I purchase games based on what he suggests. He’s always right on the money.
December 16th, 2010
“Insanity was tough, but it was alot of fun.”
@FKSP
Damn right it was.. I still have to end it on insanity with Inflitrator & Sentinel, wont even bother with adept and vanguard on onsanity, unless i want to tear my head apart
@Phranc
Actually they have said that they have made the game with me 2 assets usuing ME3 engine, so its great in a way that u might see how me3 will look like bef4 360/pc owners..
December 16th, 2010
“Actually they have said that they have made the game with me 2 assets usuing ME3 engine”
so not only the PS3 will the most complete & better version but also the best looking one too?
nice to know….ME3 will be release simultaneously on all consoles.
December 16th, 2010
“can play the game with one button, punch punch punch punch”
DCUO is suppose to be a Action-MMO…but I see what you’re trying to say.
December 16th, 2010
when is the new deus ex out? that game looks some cool.
December 16th, 2010
Liquid,
Deux Ex is another former Xbox360 exlusive that will be coming out on the Ps3 as well some time next year. I’m not sure about the exact date but this is another game I’ve been keeping an eye on as well.
December 16th, 2010
‘The 3D in Killzone 3 makes the game…. well, less then good”
@Zoar
Have to agree with you man, the 3D graphics take quite a hit! I will stick with the 2D, 3D looks like it would give you a headache after awhile! While it’s a step in the right direction, I think we will have to wait until PS4 until you can get mind blowing 1080P graphics in 3D.
December 16th, 2010
@Kushy:
Thanks. You’re the only one who saw my post.
December 16th, 2010
I saw it but the second pic looks like any other 3D image when you look at it without 3D glasses..
December 16th, 2010
Deux ex just got pushed back from Q1 2011. Don’t you check my list?
December 17th, 2010
@Zoar
No problem, it was an interesting read!
“I saw it but the second pic looks like any other 3D image when you look at it without 3D glasses..”
Actually Roca that was a typo on Zoar’s part. The link that says 2D is actually the 3D shot and the link that says 3D is the 2D shot! Roca come on man, the 3D shot is very low res compared to the 3D. The 3D has to be rendered twice, the PS3 is not powerful enough to make the 3D look as detailed and defined as the 2D. I’m sure there was a filter for taking the 3D shot so don’t be naive and think 3D going to look as good as the game running in 2D!
December 17th, 2010
KZ3 runs at 720p res… PS3 can handle that with no problem.
They already have some 720p games 3D games.
What I’m saying is that the 3D image look exactly the same as any other 3D image when you look at it without 3D glasses
December 17th, 2010
@Roca:
But some of the effects, like motion blur, isn’t all there. and the hand should be shaded blue. But I guess I know what you mean.
December 17th, 2010
“KZ3 runs at 720p res… PS3 can handle that with no problem.”
@Roca
Yes it runs 720P in 2D, not when in 3D! In 3D the res is pretty much cut in half! KZ3 is a graphical beast, the PS3 can not render this game in 3D at a true 720P and make acceptable frame rates. PS3 is laying the ground work, but it’s not powerful enough for mind blowing high res 3D graphics. Bring on PS4 already!
December 17th, 2010
“PS3 can not render this game in 3D at a true 720P and make acceptable frame rates”
it already has with other 3D games out there… In fact it, many sites (including Sony) have confirmed the maximum res and frame rate for 3D gaming on PS3 is 720p/60fps (per eye)
“Sony’s Simon Benson explained during a 3D demo at the Develop Conference this week that their guidelines prohibit 3D games from being portrayed in the highest resolution, as it wouldn’t allow for a smooth 60-frames-per-second (this means that even games that run natively in 1080p (like Super Stardust HD) will be locked in at 720 in 3D.
http://www.1up.com/news/sony-guidelines-limit-3d-ps3
December 17th, 2010
“3D
Sadly the use of 3D in KZ3 is no work of a miracle. Instead massive cuts have been made to the game’s framebuffer resolution. Rendering in a mere 640×716 with MLAA, the game is extremely rough around the edges. Harsh jagged lines and bouts of pixelation littered the screen, as did the additional softness caused by some heavy upscaling. In fact at various points the game looked to suffer from as many artefacts as Wii games do when being upscaled. Not so great to be fair, and all these blemishes completely ruin the added depth perception and sense of immersion that the actual 3D effect provides.
The lower resolution effects in the standard 720p 2D mode also looked noticeably worse, suffering from all the same issues as the rest of the game. Now halved down to 320×360, smoke and particles appear heavily artefacted and really messy, distracting from the rest of the scene although still aiding in keeping you immersed in the experience”
@Roca
I never said no game can not do this, I said this game (KZ3) can not pull of this without taking a big hit in quality. If super stardust is being locked in at 720p to keep frame rates high this only proves my point even more. As powerful as the PS3 is, it’s just not enough to run graphical beasts like KZ3 without taking a good hit in performance. I’m not knocking the PS3, KZ3 looks amazing! It’s just that it will not look nearly as good in 3D! Props to Sony for pushing the new tech and laying the ground work for what should be amazing in the years to come! Anyways nice to have a friendly debate with you Roca!
December 17th, 2010
“I never said no game can not do this, I said this game (KZ3) can not pull of this without taking a big hit in quality”
I get what you’re trying to say…. It seems like you’re right about KZ3.
Well I guess KZ3 in 3D will look a bit better than MW2
I surprise Guerrilla Games is using Sony’s MLAA tech for Killzone, a new AA technique originally seen in God of War III and now also LittleBigPlanet 2 and Killzone 3. MLAA technique can give results 4x better than 16x MSAA.
December 17th, 2010
^
Yeah this game looks sick! I mean it looks quite a bit better then KZ2, so that’s quite impressive!
December 19th, 2010
if Guerrilla, Sony and their fanboys have taught us anything it’s, “wait for what’s delivered and not what’s promised”.
so far they’ve fallen short of every prelaunch bullshot released by them and Sony.
“halo killer”..? still waiting…. better hurry….Halo is over 10 years old, lmao…
it’s funny because I can remember a time when the ps3 mocked the 360 for having too many shooters and now they brag about everyone they get….priceless….
December 21st, 2010
“so far they’ve fallen short of every prelaunch bullshot released by them and Sony.”
No they haven’t. KZ2 looked just as good if not better than the render.
“so far they’ve fallen short of every prelaunch bullshot released by them and Sony.”
Halo Killer? Are you taking what the media says and trying to attribute that to Sony or Guerilla Games again? It wouldn’t be the first time you lied to make it seem like Sony said something that they didn’t. fucking loser.
“it’s funny because I can remember a time when the ps3 mocked the 360 for having too many shooters and now they brag about everyone they get….priceless….”
Even more priceless is the personification of the two consoles as if they are truly fighting one another.
When will be the day that you no longer live in 2004?
December 22nd, 2010
“No they haven’t. KZ2 looked just as good if not better than the render.”
@phranctoast:
Sorry bro I have to disagree! The game did however come pretty close to those renders and that is an amazing achivement! You had all kinds of haters saying shit like the game might look like that come PS7 and a bunch of things along those lines. They came pretty damn close, with the exception with a few shitty looking textures here and there. Ignore Kev, he’s just a moronic troll!