PlayStation Meeting: PSP2 codename NGP details officially revealed

January 27, 2011

PlayStation Meeting: PSP2 codename NGP details officially revealed Sony is currently revealing an incredible amount of information about the next gen PSP, or codename NGP at the PlayStation Meeting. The company spilled the beans on the details of the new portable hardware device.

As mentioned, the PSP2 codenamed NGP (Next Gen Portable) has officially been revealed and it looks nothing like the leaked photos of the device. Surprisingly it looks like standard PSP candybar model and unlike the PSP Go.

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However, one thing you will quickly notice is that the NGP sports two actual analog sticks. Yes, you read correctly, as the NGP will not have the analog nubs found on the current PSP and will now sport tilting analog sticks.

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The NGP also houses a host of hardware features such as motion sensors, front and rear cameras, 5-inch OLED display, 3G, GPS, front and rear touchpads, and an electronic compass. According to Kaz Hirai, one of the goals for the NGP is to use location based entertainment to converge reality with the virtual world.

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The OLED screen has four times the resolution of the current PSP and can be viewed at any angle with crystal clarity. The UMD drive is gone, but the NGP will not be all digital like the PSP Go, as it will take a new media format.

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The new physical media actually looks similar to a SD memory card. As previously rumored the NGP has 3G network capability along with Wi-Fi support. This is great news, as the device will be connected all the time now.

The device also has a new interface called LiveArea with trophy support. Gamers will be able to see other NGP gamers in area and see which games they are playing. Gamers will also be able to leave other gamers comments while playing in-game.

According to Hirai, the NGP will be released starting from the holiday season this year.

139 Responses to “PlayStation Meeting: PSP2 codename NGP details officially revealed”

  1. CaptBirdman:

    It’s so gorgeous!!! I’m buying this! 3DS, eat it!

  2. CarlB:

    TROPHIES!!!

  3. Rhino:

    Wow that looks pretty sweet, but as with everything, price will be a factor.

    Lets hope they learnt from the launch of the PS3 and don’t price it out of reach.

  4. gunstar:

    LOL @ Captain

    PS3 Portable Beast with Two Analog Ballz & Android OS

    AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

    Exactly what we were hoping for ^__^

  5. dans303:

    Analog Sticks!!!! Get in there!!

  6. gunstar:

    I am guessing that Holiday release will be in Japan, but knowing Sony it can/will be simultaneous world wide release : )

  7. CaptBirdman:

    I don’t think it’ll be over $250. It can’t be the same price as a PS3…. Right??

  8. CarlB:

    -social connectivity
    -location-awareness via 3G, GPS, and 3-axis electronic compass
    -augmented reality
    -OLED 1.5 inches larger than iPhone 4′s LCD
    -capable of playing near PS3 quality titles
    -multitouch capable
    -2 multitouch surfaces, front and back
    -dual micro analog sticks compared to 3DS’ single nub
    -dual cameras, 1 front and 1 rear
    -Near PS3 quality graphics
    -ARM Cortex-A9 quad core CPU and an SGX543 quad core GPU. Apple’s rumored to be employing slower dual core versions of the SGX543 in its forthcoming iPad and iPhone model updates “roughly 4x as powerful as any portable you’ve previously seen.”
    -WiFi and 3G

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/217919-2/sony_psp_next_generation_portable_looks_stunning_plays_ps3_games.html

    Yes, it can be the same price as a PS3, or even more…

  9. CarlB:

    Sorry that bullet quote was mixed up…

    -ARM Cortex-A9 quad core CPU and an SGX543 quad core GPU “roughly 4x as powerful as any portable you’ve previously seen.” Apple’s rumored to be employing slower dual core versions of the SGX543 in its forthcoming iPad and iPhone model updates.

  10. CaptBirdman:

    Dammit!! That sucks bollocks if it’s more than a PS3.

    Just some things I’m curious about though.

    - WTH is the point of a touch surface on the back?
    - will you have to pay monthly for 3G? I’m thinking yes.
    - why still no R2/L2?
    - Video Skype seems a given. So will PS3 get this interface, ditching the XMB, and finally Skype???

  11. phranctoast:

    $299. That’s my guess.

  12. ncaissie:

    “It’s so gorgeous!!! I’m buying this! 3DS, eat it!”
    Same here.

  13. Roca.:

    “So will PS3 get this interface, ditching the XMB”

    I don’t think that’s going to happen, this new UI was designed to be a touchscreen friendly interface.

  14. CarlB:

    Maybe the touch surface on the back is their way of making up for the lack of R2/L2?

    PC World said:

    “Now imagine touching the front and rear panels at the same time to pull off moves in ways no one’s experienced before. It sounds kind of wild, but also kind of cool.”

    Yes, I think you would have to pay for 3G.
    Video Skype on PS3 would mean the side your calling doesn’t have to have a PS3 or Eye. It would be a nice feature to add, but they might already have their hands full.

  15. Roca.:

    Uncharted, Killzone, Resistance, Wipeout…I’m Sold

  16. Roca.:

    “Maybe the touch surface on the back is their way of making up for the lack of R2/L2?”

    good point CarlB.

    and Yes, 3G comes with a monthly fee from a wireless carrier.

  17. ncaissie:

    Fuck android os.
    That is going to leave it open to hacks v

  18. ncaissie:

    I will gladly pay $350 and will pre order it.
    The two A sticks is what is missing from current handhelds.
    3G is awesome too.

    Let’s see if ms comes out with a better one. ;)

  19. ncaissie:

    “Maybe the touch surface on the back is their way of making up for the lack of R2/L2?”
    Yah you could slide your finger up and down to replicate triggers.

  20. CarlB:

    The one exception I could see for 3G is if Sony decided to partner with a carrier as Amazon did for Kindle… it’s possible.

  21. CaptBirdman:

    “Maybe the touch surface on the back is their way of making up for the lack of R2/L2?”

    I was thinking this, but you have to admit, it’s kind of stupid…

    Buttons > touch.

    The fidelity of a button… It’s only what the entire Move vs Kinect argument is about.

    “and Yes, 3G comes with a monthly fee from a wireless carrier.”

    This is the 1 thing that pisses me off about Sony. WTF is the point of 3G on a non-phone device? This is why we can’t get a competitive price point– adding pointless features.

    Wi-Fi is good enough. 1 touchscreen is good enough. 1 camera is good enough. This upsets me to no end when Sony does this… I want this thing but not for the price of a PS3 and a game. It’s that whole Japanese mentality I was talking about a few monts ago. They make everything so bloody expensive… Tokyo is the most expensive city in the world, and it’s a knock-off of NYC/London/L.A.

    SMDH @ Japan

  22. ncaissie:

    That would be ok if the price is right. Or free.

  23. Roca.:

    “This is the 1 thing that pisses me off about Sony. WTF is the point of 3G on a non-phone device?”

    Ipad, Tablets, Netbooks, Laptops, etc.

    The point is so you’ll have internet access wherever you go. That’s a good thing in my opinion.

    -want to browser the internet on the go?
    -want to to play online while waiting at the movie theater, train station, air port, etc?
    -want to download a app?
    -want to send/receive messages?

  24. Barnabe Jones:

    So if I have 3G for my phone already… I would probably need to pay an additional fee for this, right?

    In all honesty though, I’d be cool with using WiFi to download stuff, and playing offline while I’m out.

  25. CaptBirdman:

    Thing is though, Roca, is that wi-fi is capable of doing this at hotspots, and hotspots are everywhere these days (well, I live in Los Angeles so there are hotspots every two feet (just ask Kev), so I’m not sure about Boston, or wherever other Blorge members are). So 3G on a gaming device/non-phone device is at least pointless in the 2nd most populated city in the U.S./1st most populated state in the U.S., and all those places you named
    “-want to to play online while waiting at the movie theater, train station, air port, etc?”

    has wi-fi. Every theatre I go to has wi-fi, LAX has it, McDonalds and Starbucks have it, Gamestop & BestBuy have wi-fi, libraries and college campuses have wi-fi, my dogs have wi-fi, etc…

    I think if it’s not on a phone, 3G is pointless…

  26. CarlB:

    “Wi-Fi is good enough. 1 touchscreen is good enough. 1 camera is good enough. This upsets me to no end when Sony does this…”

    This is where I think they haven’t caught on yet where Apple has: lower priced models that only sacrifice extra bells and whistles. The difference between a 3G and non-3G 16GB iPad is $125. Sony could easily have done something similar to this and have a ton more customers at launch. They still have time.

  27. Roca.:

    @BJ
    some phones allow you to make them a wireless HotSpot. In other words, they be like portable wifi.

    Other will allow you to tether your connection to other devices.

    If none of this options are available then you can always get a wireless hotspot from your wireless carrier and remove your data plan from you phone bill. You can use that for both your phone and any other wifi-ready device.

    http://goo.gl/Kjiqf

  28. CaptBirdman:

    Excellently said Carl.

    You seem to be channelling my thoughts today.

  29. Roca.:

    @Birdman
    It’s not the same. Why would you need 3G on your phone if wifi is available everywhere else? You could just pay your mobile plan and ditch the data since you can have internet access so easy everywhere you go?

    it’s not the same. 3G gives the freedom to have internet access wherever you go instead of being restricted to specific places.

    and once again, you don’t have to sign up for it if you won’t need it… Personally this was one of most wanted feature for a portable gaming device. The ability to have PSN features ALL THE TIME is a must.

  30. Barnabe Jones:

    Roca, yeah I have the hotspot option on my phone. Team Droid FTW ;) .

  31. Roca.:

    ^ LOL
    I’m getting a new Android based phone too. Maybe i’ll wait for the Playstation Phone since it will come with the lastest Andriod build.

  32. CaptBirdman:

    But 3G is for phones– that’s my point. Wi-Fi is better for PSP… Phones need to be able to be used anywhere– internet on gaming devices, not so much. Cells do a much better job of that, and if you can afford a $300 portable gaming device, you already have a cell phone.

    And even though you don’t have to pay for it, the functionality is still built in the device, driving costs up. Admit it, 3G is not needed… They need to release a sku without the 3G (and perhaps without 2 touch surfaces, 2 cameras, etc. )

  33. Roca.:

    “Admit it, 3G is not needed”

    LOL I just said 3G was one of my most wanted features for the next PSP. It’s definitely need for many things including online gaming.

    Here is a killer one, Sony will be introduting Qriocity Music Ulimited for the PSP, which is a cloud-based music streaming app. It lets listing to over 6 million songs (you can also create your own playlist, favorites, etc). But since the PSP doesnt have 3G you can’t really use that feature to replace your MP3 player or iPod.

    Other features include internet browser, online gaming, downloading PSN content on the go, apps, and other “internet-required” features.

  34. CaptBirdman:

    Want vs Need I guess.

    I already have a phone and iPod that I’m happy with, plus wi-fi at home. So I would appreciate a PSP 2 with a lower price and less features.

  35. Roca.:

    “Want vs Need I guess”

    It’s more than that.
    Which version of the PS3 sold poorly and was discontinued, the one with wifi or the one withuot wifi?

    PS3 would’ve been way cheaper if Sony didn’t include BD & wifi..right? but aren’t we all glad that we have both of those features?

    Another this is Sony’s Playstation brand is now more than “just” gaming. They are trying to cover as much ground as possible. Not only competing against the DS but against the “mobile market” as well. Minis will be available on PSP2. Offering 3G is a no brainer.

    Also, you said you have “wifi at home”. Well whenever I’m home I know what I’ll be playing, PS3. PSP2 is for whenever “I’m not home”…

  36. Akaro:

    Looks neat, powerful and full of state of art technology. |^^|

  37. ncaissie:

    “Thing is though, Roca, is that wi-fi is capable of doing this at hotspots, and hotspots are everywhere these days”
    Not in Canada

  38. CaptBirdman:

    I’m just pointing out that for those of us with cell phones and ipods, a different SKU should be released with some of the features stripped to reduce the price. If you want to spend money on redundant features, that is your perogative, but as I already have a 3G phone, an ipod and a laptop, there is no need for my PSP 2 to have all the things I already have– with a higher price point.

    Need vs Want.

  39. Roca.:

    “Need vs Want”

    Then I guess alot of ppl “want” full connectiviy via 3G.

    If you take into account all the specs this device is packing, removing 3G antenna won’t make that much of a different.

    PSP2 has quad-core proccessor and a quad-core GPU. that’s unheard of these days. In fact, there aren’t any dual-core phone on the market yet, the earliest we’ll a dual-core phone is late Feb/Mar. Dual-core are slowing becoming the standard for tablets but most of them still come with single core.

    5″ OLED screen + Quad-core CPU & GPU are most likely what will drive the cost of the PSP2.

    I guess different prices will be based on storage of this device. 16GB, 32GB.. (just like the PS3)

  40. Godless:

    Try moving to Scotland, see how many free wifi hotspots you find. .Not bloody many I can tell you.
    3G will held connectivity in less populated Ares, so I can see the need for it.
    Basically you wouldn’t get online in 95% of Scottish towns without it, fine if you live in a city

  41. CaptBirdman:

    I wasn’t just picking on 3G; I think two cameras and two touch surfaces are pointless too.

  42. ncaissie:

    “Cells do a much better job of that, and if you can afford a $300 portable gaming device, you already have a cell phone.”

    So how do you get the games from your Cell to the PSP2? I don’t have wi-fi anywhere but home so 3G is a must for me.

  43. Roca.:

    Here is the official word from Sony:
    “I can’t put a ballpark on it in terms of figures, but what I would say is that we will shoot for an affordable price that’s appropriate for the handheld gaming space”

    Sony will also save money by not having a optical drive on the new PSP.

  44. Roca.:

    Also here another advantage using flash cart instead of optical discs:

    “Taking advantage of the flash memory feature, this innovative card can store the full software titles plus add-on game (DLCs) content and the game save data directly on to the card. By adopting flash memory based card, SCE will be able to provide game cards with *higher capacity* in the future, allowing developers to store more game data to deliver rich and immersive games.”

  45. ncaissie:

    “I think two cameras and two touch surfaces are pointless too”

    The two cameras are for video chat and taking pics. You can’t take a pic with the front cam and you can’t video chat with the back one.
    The second touch surface is for triggers which is an awesome idea. I don’t care for the front touch for gaming because I hate taking my hands off the buttons to use the screen. Same shit on the DS.

  46. ncaissie:

    nice info Roca.

  47. Barnabe Jones:

    3G is a separate sku.

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/27/all-ngp-models-include-wi-fi-3g-available-in-certain-sku/

  48. Roca.:

    @BJ
    Nice, Birdman will enjoy this

    3G for me…

  49. CaptBirdman:

    According to Barnabe’s link, my reasoning was sound.

    @ NC– so, you’re saying I couldn’t possibly turn my PSP 2 around to take pictures? And, I’m sorry but a touch surface for “triggers” is fucking stupid. Just put triggers on the damned thing… And I see the back touch surface being used gimmicky like the Wii-mote… tacked on controls with little to no thought process behind them.

  50. Roca.:

    The touch sensitive panel makes sence. You have the R1/L1 to use as “triggers”

    “The touchpad is a rather ingenious design: it opens the door for many new ideas in game control, but since it’s behind the screen you won’t be blocking the screen using it like we’re used to on iOS devices. The touchscreen on the front of the system means that you will also be able to touch the interface directly as well”

  51. CAD:

    Well I’m impressed. It sounds really good. After reading some comments there is just one problem. 3G Connectivity. Your better off with the phone instead of this if it’s going to be 3G.

    “Sony details mobile PlayStation strategy

    Sony has detailed its new approach to mobile gaming for smartphones, revealing the PlayStation Suite designed to bring familiar console experiences to portable handsets.

    Acknowledging the evolution of portable gaming through smartphones and other devices, Sony president Kaz Hirai admitted that “the environment surrounding portable gaming has undergone a radical transformation since the launch of PSP,” at the PlayStation Meeting today in Tokyo.

    The PlayStation Suite is aimed at taking the brand beyond consoles onto mobile handsets, specifically Android smartphones and tablets, along with the PlayStation Certified service which will help developers test and QA games for Android.

    Describing it as a “hardware neutral game framework” enabling “PlayStation quality” content for multiple mobile hardware, PlayStation Suite content will be available before the end of the year, with a dedicated PlayStation Store for Android.

    “”We envision PS Suite as an initiative that is essential to the world of portable entertainment,” added Hirai.”

  52. CAD:

    Sony: Not all NGP models will ship with 3G

    Sony’s Andrew House has told press that there will be multiple versions of the new PlayStation handheld at launch, with only one model featuring 3G capability, a service which will cost the owner each time it is used.

    Speaking to Eurogamer, Euro boss House confirmed that multiple SKUs will be available when the Next Generation Portable launches in late 2011, and not to expect to be able to use the 3G model to play online in the same way as you might at home – network and data streaming restrictions will apply.

    “The first thing to clarify, which I’m not sure the presentation did a perfect job of doing today, is that all of the devices will have Wi-Fi capability; a separate SKU will have 3G,” House said.

    “So the user gets a choice. Wi-Fi is available wherever, which clearly is the most important aspect of connectivity and that connected experience; 3G will be a subset of that.”

    “One area that I’m particularly excited about is the idea of asynchronous gaming,” he added. “Whereby the game experience is existing either on a PS3 or on your NGP, and then the 3G ability is the real-time, you know, ‘you’re under attack, you’ve got to go do something,’ messaging, just keeping that link with you, which clearly is not very heavy in terms of data traffic, but creates a whole different sense to the experience.”

    House also confirmed that the use of 3G will carry a cost, but would not be drawn on which network would be carrying the service, or pricing.

    “You’ll hear more from us around that aspect of the strategy as we get closer to launch,” he said.

  53. CAD:

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2011-01-27-new-sony-portable-could-sell-for-USD299-USD349-eedar

  54. CaptBirdman:

    “The touch sensitive panel makes sence. You have the R1/L1 to use as “triggers” ”

    Yeah, but I was countering NC. He said the back could be used as triggers.

    But it’s still stupid & gimmicky.

    I would have liked touch cross, triangle, square & circle “buttons” better. A touch surface on the back’s usages are unfathomable. I can’t think of one good reason, and

    “since it’s behind the screen you won’t be blocking the screen using it like we’re used to on iOS devices”

    is a POOR defense. Since it’s behind the screen, you’re going to have to use your index and middle fingers for manipulation, but this poses 3 problems.

    1. Your index finger naturally rests on the shoulder buttons, so removing them to use the back surface will cause instability problems holding the system. Plus, that’s cramp inducing– try holding your dualshock with your index fingers behind the controller.

    2. Your middle fingers naturally rest BEHIND a controller/PSP. You’re going to constantly accidentally rub the touch surface, probably causing unwanted things to happen in-game (such as throwing a grenade in CoD).

    3. You’re going to have to learn to use your index and middle fingers dynamically. Doesn’t sound like a bad thing, until you try to write your name on the back of a dualshock with your middle/index finger.

    It’s unnecessary, and unnecessarily drives up the cost.

  55. ncaissie:

    “so, you’re saying I couldn’t possibly turn my PSP 2 around to take pictures?”
    Not if you want to see what is in the pic. It doesn’t have a viewfinder which has been on cameras (for a reason) since they where invented.

  56. ncaissie:

    “3G Connectivity. Your better off with the phone instead of this if it’s going to be 3G.”
    Jesus Christ. How do you people not get it? 3G lets you use PSN store on the go. How the hell do you download PSP games on your Phone then play them on the PSP? That is just fucking Stupid.
    We have SHIT Wi-fi in Canada There is to much land to cover. I love the hotspots in the US and wish we could have that here but not even Toronto has the hotspots they have in the US.
    I want 3G on all my devices and I want to share the data plan.

  57. ncaissie:

    “But it’s still stupid & gimmicky. ”
    No, it makes perfect sense. You will see. ;)

  58. ncaissie:

    “I would have liked touch cross, triangle, square & circle “buttons” better.”
    That would be stupid. I hate the control on the iphone and need the buttons to know where my fingers are without having to look at my fingers. You like Kinect too?

  59. CAD:

    Ncaissie

    Please don’t talk about Toronto if you don’t know shit. Ottawa is a Ghosttown. Please don’t think that Toronto is Like Ottawa. Our infastructure is very good here.

  60. Roca.:

    @CAD

    what’s wrong with 3G?
    3G > no 3G

  61. Roca.:

    @CAD
    “3G Connectivity. Your better off with the phone instead of this if it’s going to be 3G”

    that doesn’t make any sense…

  62. CaptBirdman:

    “That would be stupid. I hate the control on the iphone and need the buttons to know where my fingers are without having to look at my fingers.”

    Welp there it is. Thanks for providing why a touch pad on the back is a retarded idea.

    Also PS store usage on PSP is already impractical. The battery life on this device is going to suck more than a hooker on the 1st of the month. 3G uses a lot of the battery, as does wi-fi. Face facts- downloading via PS3 then transferring is still superior to downloading via PSP.

  63. Roca.:

    optical drive was what sucked most of the battery life on the original PSP…since that’s gone battery life will see a improvement.

    3DS battery life is suppose to last 4-6 hours..I bet the PSP2 can do better than that.

    With a “always online” portable gaming device the posibilities are endless. If you are fine with being restricted to wifi locations then you can get the Non-3G PSP.

  64. ncaissie:

    “Please don’t talk about Toronto if you don’t know shit. Ottawa is a Ghosttown. Please don’t think that Toronto is Like Ottawa. Our infastructure is very good here.”
    Hey asshole I know enough about TO. It is a cesspool.
    Until you move out anyway. I have spent enough time to know you do not have hotspots like the US.
    Miami has a city wide free wi-fi. You pull up to most stores in even remote towns and you will find a few hotspots.

  65. ncaissie:

    “Welp there it is. Thanks for providing why a touch pad on the back is a retarded idea.”
    LOL We will see.

  66. CaptBirdman:

    “3DS battery life is suppose to last 4-6 hours..I bet the PSP2 can do better than that.”

    Nuh uh, no fucking way.

    Roca, I understand brand loyalty, and I’m all for that. But you are absolutely being blind here. You said this

    “Here are some of the specs that won’t come cheap:
    *rear and front face camaras
    *touchscreen and a touch sensitive panel on the back
    *5? OMLED screen
    *Built-in GPS
    *wireles N wifi (finally)
    *Bluetooth
    *3G antenna”

    You really, honestly believe the PSP 2′s battery will be anywhere near the 3DS’s?

    LMFAO….. The PSP 1 can’t compete with the 3DS in battery life!

  67. Roca.:

    “I have spent enough time to know you do not have hotspots like the US”

    Even here in Boston, hotspots are not available in every courner…

    oh btw, wifi eats more battery than 3G

  68. CaptBirdman:

    “With a “always online” portable gaming device the posibilities are endless. If you are fine with being restricted to wifi locations then you can get the Non-3G PSP.”

    I live in L.A…. we have Wi-Fi pretty much everywhere. So I won’t be restricted at all. And my battery will last longer than yours. And mine will be cheaper LOL

  69. CaptBirdman:

    “Even here in Boston, hotspots are not available in every courner…”

    That’s because Bean Town is small potatoes. In L.A., we have a friggin’ Wi-Fi district… not kidding.

    “oh btw, wifi eats more battery than 3G”

    LMFAO good joke. Here’s a better joke

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=3G+vs+wifi+battery&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

  70. Roca.:

    @Birdman
    Sorry, I was wrong.
    The actual battery life of the 3DS is 3-5 hours lmao

    Sorry I was being a little loyal to Nintendo, giving its device a few hours extra.

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/08/3ds-has-3-5-hour-battery-life-for-3ds-games/

    are you saying the PSP1 last 2-4 hours (that’s less than the 3DS)?

    can the PSP2 last longer than 4-6? It sure can, you’re forgetting Sony has alot of engineering experience and more manufacturing resources to build portable electronics than just about any other company in the world. They are also at the forefront of OLED production and high phones.

    You quoted me and listed stuff like wifi, bluetooth, GPS, camara, etc. You realize you won’t be using all of them at the same time.

  71. ncaissie:

    Hey, anyone heard about the new Matrix movies? Fuckin sweet! I loved all three of the others. I hope it is true. I can’t wait for all the new DC and Marvel movies coming this year.

  72. Roca.:

    “That’s because Bean Town is small potatoes”

    Yet it’s one of the most popular city in the country.
    You seem to think that every is just like LA which is not true. You need to think about other places outside of Cali and outside of US.

    For some reason you’re sound like wifi device is better than 3G device, which in reality it is NOT.

    If the different in price is $50, would you get the 3G PSP or the Wifi only PSP?

  73. Roca.:

    “LMFAO good joke. Here’s a better joke”

    here is a better joke

    “The PSP 1 can’t compete with the 3DS in battery life!”

    ROFLMAO

  74. CaptBirdman:

    “You quoted me and listed stuff like wifi, bluetooth, GPS, camara, etc. You realize you won’t be using all of them at the same time”

    Just saying. These things will drain the battery…

    “you’re forgetting Sony has alot of engineering experience and more manufacturing resources to build portable electronics than just about any other company in the world.”

    And that’s why

    – the PSP 1′s glare was so bad you could cook eggs with it
    – UMDs failed
    – PSP Go failed
    – PSP couldn’t compete with the weaker DS

    Face it man, Sony sucks in the handheld market because they don’t listen to what people complain about. It’s taken 7 fucking years to put dual analog on it, and there still aren’t 4 shoulder buttons?

  75. CaptBirdman:

    “Yet it’s one of the most popular city in the country.You seem to think that every is just like LA which is not true. You need to think about other places outside of Cali and outside of US.”

    No, I don’t. But as the most populated state, with the largest economy, in the largest gaming market country in the world, I would think we are significant enough that our opinions matter.

    “If the different in price is $50, would you get the 3G PSP or the Wifi only PSP?”

    Hell yeah. Hell, if they could knock off another $50 and shed the ridiculous touch pad on the back, I’d be a happier bunny. But I’m buying it anyway.

  76. Roca.:

    “Just saying. These things will drain the battery”

    @Birdman
    Yeah, and most of them are standard on phones and I’m able to get through the day with all those features (which includes “making calls”)

    –The PSP 1?s glare was so bad you could cook eggs with it
    Yes, and at the time it was still better the the orginal DS and it improved with the Slim.

    – UMDs failed
    Not really, it serve its purpose.

    – PSP Go failed
    But it had wifi lmao…if only the PSPGo had 3G..

    – PSP couldn’t compete with the weaker DS
    DS is a kid friendly devices, while the PSP are for geecky gamers.. I won’t argue this, kids under 8-10 years will like get a DS over a PSP.

    “Face it man, Sony sucks in the handheld market”
    face it man, Sony is the only company (besides Nintendo) to succesfully survive in the portable gaming market. All others experience and quick and horrible death. Also Sony is the only company to sucessfully have 3 gaming devices on the market at once…

  77. Roca.:

    “I would think we are significant enough that our opinions matter” – only if you live in LA ;) It definitely don’t matter in Boston and many other places in the world.

    “Hell yeah”

    The why you didn’t get the cheapest version of the 360 and add a external memory or USB drive? I’m pretty sure external memore are more common then wifi..

  78. ncaissie:

    How did UMDs fail? It worked great for the PSP. Did you expect other devices to adopt the UMD? By that standard then the DS kart failed, the Nintendo cartridges all failed.

  79. Roca.:

    @ncaissie
    “By that standard then the DS kart”

    That’s the point I was going to make. Lets use the say logic and say: Gamecube’s mini disc fail, Super Nintendo’s cartridge failed, GBA cartriges also failed.

  80. CaptBirdman:

    “Yeah, and most of them are standard on phones and I’m able to get through the day with all those features”

    Coupled with near PS3 video gaming? Point made.

    “Yes, and at the time it was still better the the orginal DS and it improved with the Slim.”

    You. Have. Got. To. Be. Joking.

    Seriously, point me in the direction of a website complaining about DS glare, and I’ll give you 5 for the PSP. This is a non argument.

    “– UMDs failed
    Not really, it serve its purpose.”

    Really? You mean the purpose of creating a new widely accepted media format? Yeah, they failed spectacularly. PSP Go is testamentary of this. Speaking of PSP Go….

    “– PSP Go failed
    But it had wifi lmao…if only the PSPGo had 3G..”

    If only that was why I said it failed…

    Go failed because it was overly expensive and download only.

    “face it man, Sony is the only company (besides Nintendo) to succesfully survive in the portable gaming market. All others experience and quick and horrible death. Also Sony is the only company to sucessfully have 3 gaming devices on the market at once…”

    To survive is not equal to competition. Sony seriously makes enough money that when stupid products (PSP Go), repetitive SKUS (20, 40, 60, 80, 120, 160, 320 GB PS3s, PSP 1000, 2000, 3000), and ri-fucking-diculous pricing strategies ($600 PS3, $250 handheld devices, $4000 40 fucking inch TVs?!!!) that they can still afford to make their hardware.

  81. CaptBirdman:

    “The why you didn’t get the cheapest version of the 360 and add a external memory or USB drive? I’m pretty sure external memore are more common then wifi..”

    Totally different comparison Roca, stop grabbing straws. And FYI, I had the 20GB for the longest time LOL

    “How did UMDs fail? It worked great for the PSP. Did you expect other devices to adopt the UMD? ”

    Sony sure as hell did.

    And UMDs are incomparable to the others– Sony pushed for UMD adoption, just as they did with Blu-Ray.

    Difference is, the PS3 was successful, leading the Blu-Ray format to adoption by other companies. PSP was moderately successful, and the game sales are worse. No one adopted UMD– how the hell can you call yourself a Sony fan if you don’t know this information? I’m Sony’s biggest fan, and a real fan is it’s harshest critic…

  82. ncaissie:

    The PSP is the only handheld console IMO.
    The DS is a weak kids toy and not very good for games.
    The PSP 1 sucked without the two sticks. The PSP2 is going to kick ass.
    I have a PSP and DS. I love GOW on the PSP and wish there was more games of that quality. Dente’s Inferno was good too. The DS has a couple of good games like the Mario titles and the Zelda titles.

  83. ncaissie:

    “Seriously, point me in the direction of a website complaining about DS glare, and I’ll give you 5 for the PSP. This is a non argument. ”
    Not a glare but so dark you had to sit under a lamp to see it. Just like the GBA.

  84. Roca.:

    @Birdman
    You’re being kind closed minded here.

    1. “Original DS” (not DS lite or DSi) had of one of the wrost screen ever on a portable video game device

    2. UMD did not failed, it did was it was suppose to – PSP physcal format for gaming software. It has lasted 5 years already..

    3. PSPGo did failed and wifi didn’t do anything to help it. 3G would’ve have at least give it some online features and service.

    4. Sony’s PSP has been succesfull for 5 years, at it’s the only portible device that has competed against Nintendo for that long. PS3 and 360 are both far behind the Wii in sales, does that meant they are not sucessful products?

    5. What’s wrong with offering different SKU with more memory and cheaper price tag?

  85. phranctoast:

    UMD failed only as a movie format. How can you really succeed though when you only work in one device?

    Maybe that’s what Birdman is talking about.

  86. Roca.:

    “stop grabbing straws”

    That’s exactly what you’re doing with the whole 3G/real panel/L2R2/camara argument.

    I’m sure one could have said to Apple, “touch screen phone is not needed, I’ll take a regular phone for $50 less”

    CE Companies try to always innovate, if they stay stuck with old tech then they aren’t going nowhere. Stop being so anti feature-rich products.

    Now I’m talking here think the price of the PSP2 will be around $250/$300..If its more than that they I would agree with you that they could’ve got rid of a few features keep a price tag similar to the 3DS

  87. CaptBirdman:

    ” Not a glare but so dark you had to sit under a lamp to see it. Just like the GBA.”

    LMFAO.

    “1. “Original DS” (not DS lite or DSi) had of one of the wrost screen ever on a portable video game device”

    Actually, 2nd only to PSP ( I’m not including iOS, for obvious reasons).

    “2. UMD did not failed, it did was it was suppose to – PSP physcal format for gaming software. It has lasted 5 years already..”

    Yes the fuck it did fail. It’s purpose was larger than PSP– UMD stands for Universal Media Disc mate. Here, read wiki–

    “The UMD format never saw implementation on any device other than the PlayStation Portable. As a result, the market is very limited compared to those for other optical media formats. But, although poor sales early on in the format’s life had caused major studios Universal and Paramount to rescind their support (and even Sony had announced they would cease UMD video production), Sony, Columbia, and other film publishers continue to distribute their films on UMD. Capcom, HBO, Disney and various other content producers have also continued their support of the format, releasing TV shows, cartoons and OVAs on UMD as well. Retail support of the film experienced similar troubles, with speculation in 2006 that Wal-Mart would soon be pulling UMD videos from their stores completely. In August of 2007, Multimedia Recovery brought to the market their UMD Replacement Case after many complaints from PlayStation Portable owners that the outer casing of the UMD disc was cracking or pulling apart due to the poor design. This causes the UMD to become unreadable in the PlayStation Portable. In late 2009, Sony began pushing developers away from the UMD format and towards digital distribution on the PlayStation Network in preparation for the launch of the digital-download-only PSP Go, which is the first PSP model to not include a UMD drive. However, the new system has experienced lackluster sales compared to previous models, with most consumers still choosing the UMD-compatible PSP-3000 model, which continues to be sold along side the PSP Go”

    ” 3. PSPGo did failed and wifi didn’t do anything to help it. 3G would’ve have at least give it some online features and service.”

    3G wouldn’t have helped. Go failed because it was too expensive and because it was DD only. That’s it. Wiki & Google PSP Go– I’m not pulling information out my arse…

    “4. Sony’s PSP has been succesfull for 5 years, at it’s the only portible device that has competed against Nintendo for that long. PS3 and 360 are both far behind the Wii in sales, does that meant they are not sucessful products?”

    Price is the determinant here. No way around it. If PS3 launched at $299 and got it’s price down to $199, it would definitely be leading the pack. I’m willing to bet my life on it. Besides– I DID say PSP was “moderately successful”.

    “5. What’s wrong with offering different SKU with more memory and cheaper price tag?”

    Nothing. Except when you’re doing it every 2 months, and then release the outmoded SKUS for nearly the same price as the new ones. Oh and the whole backwards compatibility fiasco.

  88. CaptBirdman:

    “That’s exactly what you’re doing with the whole 3G/real panel/L2R2/camara argument.”

    Not exactly. I’m still buying it, just saying these features are pointless (or missing, is L2/R2′s case), so their removal will drive costs down. But

    “Now I’m talking here think the price of the PSP2 will be around $250/$300..If its more than that they I would agree with you that they could’ve got rid of a few features keep a price tag similar to the 3DS”

    Goddamit Roca, this is all I’ve been saying this whole time!

    I wouldn’t mind the extra features and pointless additions, so long as I can get it for around $250-$300 (although I’m against it costing the same as my PS3– my PS3 has a fucking Blu-Ray player in it!).

    “UMD failed only as a movie format. How can you really succeed though when you only work in one device?”

    It also failed as a Universal Media Disc. But yeah, it only was used by the company that made it, so that’s not what I’d call successful. Even Sony is trying to get rid of UMDs. Why do you think Go was made? Shits and giggles?

  89. FahKinSuPah:

    @Roca

    Hey man you really are pretty friggin wrong today lol.

    “1. “Original DS” (not DS lite or DSi) had of one of the wrost screen ever on a portable video game device

    The OG DS had a great screen. I know, because I own an OG DS. I can enjoy gaming on that thing any hour of the day, including in the middle of the night.

    It is one of the best screens on a portable device ever. I’d rather own a DSiXL, but I have had my DS for a few years now and I don’t see the point in paying for another one when the one i have works perfectly. The XL screens are amazing though.

    Birdmans responce isn’t entirely right either. “Actually, 2nd only to PSP”

    PSP had a pretty good screen too, but the thing is I would rather own the PSP-1000 model because they changed the screen slightly for both the 2k and 3k models and i’ve heard lots of complaints about colors and brightness on both models.

    I would say that both DS and PSP screens are heads and tails above the OG GB Advance. The OG GBA screen would probably be the worst.

  90. jojo29:

    Ill wait and see where the psp2 goes, or just wait on the android psp phone, but I want to go off topic:
    Captbirdman or whomever it was stated they lived int Los Angeles area, I also live in the SoCal area, so I was wondering who else on blorge is from SoCal??

  91. Roca.:

    “I’m against it costing the same as my PS3″

    PS3 is half the price of what it was..and it’s 4 years old.

    I don’t mind if the PSP cost $50 more than the 3DS (which would be the same as a PS3). like BJ said, it’s pretty much a steal.

    Either way, the GPU and proccessor are probably what will drive the cost of the PSP2. All other stuff are cheap and Sony probably make those in-house.

  92. CaptBirdman:

    “Birdmans responce isn’t entirely right either. “Actually, 2nd only to PSP””

    Actually I was right– I was referring to all PSPs. DS’s screen was better than

    -N Gage
    -Neo Geo
    -every Game Boy
    -Game Gear

  93. CaptBirdman:

    Oh you thought I meant 2nd worst Fahkin? No I meant 2nd BEST. After PSP

  94. CaptBirdman:

    “PS3 is half the price of what it was..and it’s 4 years old.”

    And? Blu-Ray is still in it, and won’t be in PSP 2. That alone should infuriate you. It’s basically saying PS3 was never worth $600 in the first place.

    PSP 2 and 3DS IMO should be no more than $200. I like them both a lot, but face facts– they aren’t bringing anything new to the table, in terms of what other devices already offer. Hell, I don’t think dualshock 3s should be anywhere near $60.

  95. Roca.:

    “It’s basically saying PS3 was never worth $600 in the first place.”

    BD players use to cost $1000 when the PS3 was $600. Technology go down in price faster than other products.

    “I don’t think dualshock 3s should be anywhere near $60″

    I agree…that’s a fucking rip off.

  96. CaptBirdman:

    It is.

    And I don’t care what Phranc says– $60 games are rip-offs. Especially when they go to retail half-arsed (sometimes quarter-arsed), and there is a 5 hour campaign. I haven’t played a “next gen” game that was worth more than $45, and that includes Mass Effect 2, which is easily my favourite game this gen.

    And no, not even Uncharted.

  97. FahKinSuPah:

    @CaptBirdman

    Mass Effect 2 was easily worth the $60. And the DLC was easily worth everything I paid for it too.

    Sucks that the PS3 version is plagued by a game breaking issue.

    Demons Souls could quite possibly be worth the $60 I paid for it lol. But of course it is so difficult lol. If you like getting your ass kicked this game is for you lol.

    Its few and far in between though that I feel like $60 is worth paying for a game.

    Take Majin and the Forsaken Kingdom for example. Recently released and it is a $40 game. I got it on sale on Amazon though for $17. Great game. Worth $40, but not $60.

    Same thing with 3D Dot Game Heroes which released last year. Worth the $40, but not $60.

    Fallout New Vegas…. I would buy it. It is worth the $60, but thats only provided all the bugs were worked out of it, which currently it is still not worked out.

    Any CoD game.. to me definately not worth $60

    When Black Ops released I finally got MW2, and I only paid $17 for it. I certainly wouldn’t have paid more than that for it.

  98. CaptBirdman:

    Not even Mass Effect 2. $45 is reasonable.

    There’s 3 versions of Mortal Kombat, priced at $60, $99, and $149. That’s bullshite of the highest form. Fighting games are $35, max. Except BlazBlue. I love this game!! It should be $45 max.

    I think I may start a petition… and I know at least 4,000,000 people that will sign it.

    No more $60 games. #FuckThatShit.

  99. phranctoast:

    Movie format/universal media disc. You say potato I say potato.

    UMD was never considered to be a real true movie format disc, as it was only available in on device.

    So for movies it failed
    for games (it’s true function) it succeeded.

    blatantly saying UMD is a failure itself is a statement which = fail.

  100. Roca.:

    I agree with Phanc.

    @Birdman
    Here is a video showing how the real touch sensitive panel will work (1m 09secs)

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/27/watch-two-sizzling-minutes-of-ngp-games-in-action/

  101. twilight:

    Ncaissie,
    As long as it is done right, I am definitely on board for another Matrix movie. I love the Matrix movies as well.
    I am ready for another Mortal Kombat game. Kratos is going to be in Mortal Kombat. This is super cool.

  102. CaptBirdman:

    “So for movies it failedfor games (it’s true function) it succeeded. blatantly saying UMD is a failure itself is a statement which = fail.”

    Television shows, games and movies. Out of these, only ONE succeeded (moderately). 33% is not failure?

    Fine– let’s combine TV shows, and movies into 1 category. It still only succeeded 50%– Any teacher will tell you, 50% is a fail.

    h**p://news.cnet.com/Universal-Media-Disc-another-Sony-bomb/2100-1026_3-6055948.html

    h**p://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25667977

    h**p://brian.carnell.com/articles/2006/sonys-umd-format-a-failure/

    h**p://forums.g4tv.com/showthread.php?t=122182

    Captain Birdman– shutting fools up since 1989

  103. CAD:

    “@CAD
    “3G Connectivity. Your better off with the phone instead of this if it’s going to be 3G”

    that doesn’t make any sense…”

    @Roca

    A device that has 3G in it with no phone capibilities in it make no sense. It’s essentially a Ipod Touch which IMO is a waste of time. Why get the Ipod Touch when you can just get the Iphone. Why pay for 3G connectivity and there is no phone in it. It better have a browser and email support but I still see it as a waste of time with no phone attached. A phone is justifiable. Take the Windows Phone 7 for instance. It comes with Xbox Live in it and I can play Multiplayer games on the move. This strategy just make more sense because 3G is justifiable because it’s a phone that plays games, goes on the internet, sends text messages and has email. The only time you will probably get any kind of Multiplayer in is at home on your Wi-Fi Network with the PSP2 which basically makes more sense to just turn on your console and play on a real screen with Real controllers/motion devices. It will probably cost the price of phone which are like $300-$500 and have no phone capibilites. It fails in that area. The Xperia Play make way more sense and it’s the reason I say the Xperia Play will sell more then the PSP2 because because functionally it just makes more sense.

  104. FahKinSuPah:

    @Captbirdman

    Only fighting game that I played that was really worth the money I paid for it was Soul Caliber 3 on PS2. I put a lot of time into that game.

    Soul Caliber 4 sucks though. What a dissapointment.

  105. Roca.:

    “A device that has 3G in it with no phone capibilities in it make no sense”

    @CAD
    Phone capability does not required 3G.
    3G gives your “phone” more “capabilities” and features.

    same goes for a PSP.. besides gaming, 3G will enhance your on the go experience.

    “The only time you will probably get any kind of Multiplayer in is at home on your Wi-Fi Network with the PSP2 which basically makes more sense to just turn on your console and play on a real screen with Real controllers”

    sorry dude, but you just contradicted yourself.

    You said 3G is a waste if it’s not a phone then you said online gaming on PSP2 will fail because you have to use your own Home wifi.

    Windows Phone doesnt belong in this arguement.

  106. CaptBirdman:

    @Fahkin

    You seriously need to play BlazBlue. Seriously.

  107. FahKinSuPah:

    @Captbirdman

    Honestly, Fighting games are not my first choice and I am really picky about them.

    I played most of the Tekken games, but I always found collision to be pretty sketchy or there was always some other stupid shit holding it back from really being great

    Was never really into Street Fighter

    I loved Mortal Kombat back in the old school 2D days. Once MK maade the jump to 3D I was dissapointed in it and its just not the same.

    Soul Caliber always seemed like it had more to it, especially 3. I spent way too much time in that game lol.

    My girl asked me something the other day that really surprised me lol. She wanted to know if i was going to get Marvel Vs Capcom 3. Appearently she wants to play it lol.

    I think one of my biggest issues with fighting games is a lack of a story.

  108. CaptBirdman:

    “I think one of my biggest issues with fighting games is a lack of a story.”

    BlazBlue.

    Seriously.

  109. CAD:

    @CAD
    Phone capability does not required 3G.
    3G gives your “phone” more “capabilities” and features.

    same goes for a PSP.. besides gaming, 3G will enhance your on the go experience.

    @ Roca

    I rather have a phone that does it all then have a phone that does it all and a Gaming device that I will also have to get 3G connectivity for just to play multiplayer games when my phone does it all. It is not convienient to carry around two devices.

  110. CAD:

    Take the Windows Phone 7 for instance. It comes with Xbox Live in it and I can play Multiplayer games on the move. This strategy just make more sense because 3G is justifiable because it’s a phone that plays games, goes on the internet, sends text messages and has email. The only time you will probably get any kind of Multiplayer in is at home on your Wi-Fi Network with the PSP2 if you don’t pay for 3G connectivity which basically makes more sense to just turn on your console and play on a real screen with Real controllers/motion devices

    @ Roca

    No contridictions and yes Windows Phone 7 Shows a device that makes sense when compared to PSP2. Xperia play is a better deal then the PSP2 and is in line with what Windows Phone 7 is already doing.

  111. Roca.:

    @CAD
    ” rather have a phone that does it all ”

    You should’ve bought and iPhone or a Droid phone then.

    “It is not convienient to carry around two devices”

    Then you should stick with your phone then. PSP2 and 3DS ain’t no phone…stop comparing them.

  112. Roca.:

    “Xperia play is a better deal then the PSP2 and is in line with what Windows Phone 7 is already doing.”

    Xperia play won’t play PSP2 game due to its hardware specs. Xperia Play will be for PSN type of game, PS1 classic and maybe original PSP games.

    Xperia play will be part of the Playstation Suite family…PSP2 is a totally different animal.

  113. CAD:

    Which is what my point is. They should not have the Xperia phone and a PSP2. It should have been everything the PSP2 is in a xperia play experience. A bad strategy imo

  114. FahKinSuPah:

    Speaking of fighting games…

    If Kratos is going tobe in the PS3 version of MK, who is going to be in the 360 version?

  115. Roca.:

    “who is going to be in the 360 version?”

    ‘Skittles’ from Kinectimals

  116. FahKinSuPah:

    Haha Roca. So funny.

    I woudln’t be surprised if they try to do Marcus Fenix. Fucking Lancer fatality would be awsome! Probably be some sort of curb stomp Xray move too! lol.

    Now that I think of it Marcus would be a good choice.

  117. FahKinSuPah:

    @Roca

    I’m currently on my way to go see Mr Rapture himself, Andrew Fucking Ryan.

    I probably won’t finish up Bioshock tonight, but maybe by the end of the weekend.

    I should at least get 1 of the 6 achievements i need.

    I never did master all the research my first time through. If im right the only thing i need to max right now is the Bouncers. Which shouldnt be hard.

  118. Spideydog:

    They look like they have finally listened to us and built something right. Will their listening extend to a good gamer friendly pricing point ????? If they do, they will get my money. Time will tell !!!

  119. CaptBirdman:

    “If Kratos is going tobe in the PS3 version of MK, who is going to be in the 360 version?”

    It’s PS3 exclusive, meaning 360 isn’t getting a non-MK character :)

    http://scrawlfx.com/2011/01/no-xbox-360-exclusive-character-for-mortal-kombat

    Spideydog– what happened to your IT gravatar? I’ve liked that thing for years…

  120. Roca.:

    “Spideydog– what happened to your IT gravatar? I’ve liked that thing for years…”

    how long were you a “ninja” here at blorge?

  121. Roca.:

    @ncaissie

    Sony on DCUO
    “Interesting thing happened last night. We now run an MMO (DCUO) that has players on the PC and the PS3. When American Idol came on we saw a 20% dip on the PS3 but not on the PC”

    where you one of them? lol

  122. CaptBirdman:

    “how long were you a “ninja” here at blorge?”

    LOL I’ve told you guys before, my other name was Th3birdman, but I forgot the password…. And if I had to put a number on the time I’d been reading without responding, I’d say roughly 3 years now

  123. CarlB:

    Pendleton and 29 Palms have been my stations in between deployments for the last decade and a half or so jojo. I should be leaving Okinawa and going back to SoCal late this year or early next.

    “Then I guess alot of ppl ‘want’ full connectiviy via 3G. If you take into account all the specs this device is packing, removing 3G antenna won’t make that much of a different.”

    As I said before, 3G is the only difference in iPad models with the same memory, and the cost difference is currently ~$120 for the 16GB version alone. The iPad 3G model battery lasts 1.5 hours less than the iPad WiFi only model.

    http://www.iphonehacks.com/2010/05/ipad-wi-fi-vs-ipad-3g-battery-life.html

    However, considering the standard pace of technology advances, I do see Sony being able to mitigate the difference down to $50 and perhaps a 45 min difference between their two NGP SKU’s by launch. Perhaps they could also extend battery life beyond 2-4 hours for PS3 similar games, but that processor is a beast.

    I’m glad they decided to make two SKU’s, as it will mean a significant cost savings to me personally. I do live where 3G isn’t available reliably here in Northern Okinawa. Wi-fi works fine and there are a enough hotspots to where the Wi-Fi only model makes sense for me here, or even when I move back to Cali. Iraq was the same.

    I can also see how gamers like Roca will be enamored enough by 3G to be willing to pay not only the extra initial cost, but an additional monthly fee as well. It’s their prerogative, and may likely make more sense for them because 3G is more widespread and reliable than WiFi at their particular location or in their travels.

    Sony is definitely doing the right thing by making this smart move.

  124. Roca.:

    @CarlB
    I’m not against wifi.. if wifi is what you prefer then go for it.

    For me it’s about convenience and 3G gives you just that. and it makes sense, even for the iPad, if you want to have internet access and enjoy internet features anywhere, any time.

    Battery life shouldn’t be an issue.
    Three things that will balance the battery life between the original PSP and the PSP2 are:
    *OLED
    *No optical drive
    *better battery

    Anyways, it’s good Sony is offering two SKUs but as I stated a while back ago.. I really wanted 3G on the next PSP.

  125. CarlB:

    3G gives some gamers that will buy this device convenience, but several more will simply have no real need or desire to pay more for it or it’s extra fees. Like I said, it depends on the individual, and thankfully Sony saw the light that not everyone will have any real gaming need or desire to have 3G.

    One thing that will eat up the difference and more of battery life between the PSP and the NGP’s less power sucking factors of OLED (which is .7 inches larger than the PSP and has twice the resolution), lack of optical drive, and better battery is the NGP’s quad core CPU and quad core GPU which is “roughly 4x as powerful as any portable you’ve previously seen”. “Powerful” costs power.

    2-4 hours tops for games that come close to using the potential of that power (“PS3-like” games). This isn’t even mentioning the other bells and whistles that might be used in game which the PSP never had such as 3G, GPS, the 3-axis electronic compass, 2 multitouch surfaces, 1 more analog control, etc.

    I’d like to be proven wrong, but battery power storage just doesn’t advance as fast as Moore’s Law or BRAD, unless they just happen to come out with something earth shattering in this department before the end of the year that can also be mass produced on a global scale (doubtful).

  126. Roca.:

    Like I said, I’m happy they are offering a 3G version, which also comes with wifi.

    I’m sure battery life can last the same amount of hours 3DS (3-4)..

  127. CaptBirdman:

    I think you’re wrong Roca. The PS3P™ ( yes, I meant to call it that) has too much going on for it to compete with the 3DS battery.

    I suspect that they’ll be close, but over time PS3P™ will degrade faster.

  128. CarlB:

    3-5 for 3DS games actually.
    I do think some NGP games will take up less power and can last longer, but I’m only speaking of the “PS3-like” games ports such as MGS4 (i.e. graphic intense titles) touted in the other thread and on other sites. 2-4 hours tops for these. I still think it would be worth it to see that level of quality in a handheld though.

  129. CarlB:

    3-5 according to this link at least:

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/08/3ds-has-3-5-hour-battery-life-for-3ds-games/

  130. Roca.:

    ^ Exactly

    @Birdman
    The 3DS needs to process twice as much power for 3DS and also render twice as much color and brightness.

    @CarlB
    PS3 like games will be running off of a memory stick, instead of a optical dics with requires moving parts and that a battery killer.

    lets just wait and see…

  131. CarlB:

    PSPGo gives roughly 3-6 hours without UMD, it just came out a little over a year ago, has an even smaller screen, and it is roughly 4x less power hungry than the NGP is said to be…

    http://www.product-reviews.net/2011/01/28/sony-psp-2-battery-life-you-cannot-have-it-all/

    but you’re right, we’ll have to wait and see, anything’s possible.

  132. Roca.:

    “PSPGo gives roughly 3-6 hours without UMD”

    Screen isn’t OLED on PSPGo.. and I believe the battery was weaker.

  133. CarlB:

    Well, at least we’ve eliminated the UMD factor from the discussion with Go… next, any benefits of the OLED will be eaten alive by the fact that the OLED screen is 1.2″ larger than the Go’s and has twice the resolution. There is a power differential between LCD and OLED, but I don’t think it is great enough to make up for that difference in size and resolution and still come out ahead.

    “While an OLED will consume around 40% of the power of an LCD displaying an image which is primarily black, for the majority of images it will consume 60–80% of the power of an LCD – however it can use over three times as much power to display an image with a white background[69] such as a document or website. This can lead to disappointing real-world battery life in mobile devices.”

    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/08/this-september-oled-no-longer-three-to-five-years-away.ars

    The source article is a little over a year old, so I’ll be generous and say Sony (or Samsung, LG, etc.) has overcome the hurdle of higher power consumption with gray levels and OLED’s to bring the savings to 80% of the power of LCD’s for “PS3-like” games not just still images.

    This means that a 5″ NGP screen @2x resolution of the Go will consume roughly the same amount of power a 3.8″ Go LCD does.

    Better battery. The PSPGo battery’s a Li-ion 3.7V, 930 mAh, 3.5Wh unit (I’m guessing Li4.4Ge). Let’s be generous once again and say they somehow found a way to double the capacity to ~1860 mAh. You have a quad core CPU and quad core GPU that’s 4x as powerful in NGP. Now that we have decided to be habitually magnanimous, let’s go further and say “PS3-like” games only take up 3/4 of that potential power. Here you are looking at 1-3 hours.

    The only possible exception I can see is Sony somehow accelerating the production phase of nanowire li-ion batteries (4212 mA, Li4.4Si)) if the stars align and there is nothing wrong with the prototypes this quarter. If, and this is a big if, they manage to do this, then we could safely say 2-4 hours for “PS3-like” games that utilize most of both quad core’s potential. Less if playing online via 3G/WiFi.

  134. CarlB:

    Nano-wire li-ion source:

    http://www.stanford.edu/group/cui_group/papers/Impedance_jpc.pdf (save as)

  135. CarlB:

    As you can see from fig. 9, another factor is the potential capacity of the nanowire li-ion (~4000 mA/g) plateaus to ~3500 mA/g after initial cycling periods.

  136. Spideydog:

    “Spideydog– what happened to your IT gravatar? I’ve liked that thing for years…”

    I have no idea what happened to my pic, I was wondering myself………

  137. Spideydog:

    It should be fixed soon, my old gravatar still had my old e-mail which isn’t working anymore ;)

  138. ncaissie:

    @CAD

    ” Why pay for 3G connectivity and there is no phone in it.”

    Are you really that stupid? that has to be the stupidest question I have ever read on blorge. 3G is for high speed data not for phone calls. It is no wonder your pleased with a 360. LMFAO

  139. ncaissie:

    “where you one of them? lol”
    Nope. My gf watches that shit though.
    I got my cast off but my wrist is still really fucked up. For some reason I thought it would be normal after it came off.
    I can’t bend it back at all and only abou 5% forward. :(
    My fingers are still going numb when I play only not as fast.

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