Sony’s PSN Pass to combat used PS3 game sales

July 6, 2011

Sony’s PSN Pass to combat used PS3 game sales Video game publishers have been using the online pass system to combat the highly lucrative used video game market. It appears that Sony will be joining the growing number of publishers practicing the online pass.

As reported yesterday, a German site posted photos of a Resistance 3 PS3 bundle with a small logo with the words “PSN Pass.” This photo led many to speculate that Sony may be looking to experiment with a pass system. The online pass system will allow the original owner of the game access to complete functionality of the multiplayer modes.

From what we have seen in the past with THQ and EA, some of the features may not be available to those who buy the game second hand without the pass.

According to IGN, Sony confirmed that the company is experimenting with a similar system.

We are always evaluating new programs for our online offering, and starting with Resistance 3 this September, we will be instituting a network pass program for PS3 games with online capabilities.

This program will be game-specific. Games that are a part of this program will include a single-use registration code that grants the account holder redeeming the code full online access for that title.

The last part is interesting as the spokesperson seemed to indicate that those who purchase the game used may still have limited access to the online modes.

The spokesperson added, “this is an important initiative as it allows us to accelerate our commitment to enhancing premium online services across our first party game portfolio.”

Its not surprising that Sony is experimenting with the online pass system, which has been reserved for third party game publishers. For a first party console manufacturer, Sony has an unusually large portfolio of video game IPs. Ubisoft is also said to be evaluating a similar system.



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114 Responses to “Sony’s PSN Pass to combat used PS3 game sales”

  1. Kushy:

    Ok this is just pure greed! So if I want to lend a game to a friend which I bought and paid for and now own, it is pretty much gimped with the online. Of course my friend can always but one of these codes for more money so they can play online too! What a rip off! I see this pissing off many people, myself included!

  2. Godless:

    I’ve said it many times before, the industries main goal is to eliminate the second hand market, or at least kneecap it so that it is able to take a cut.

    Next step for this will be, not just a pass to play online, but a licence to play the game full-stop, all games will require online registration before they can even be played.

    read the small print on your game, you don’t own it, you are buying the right to play it, and you are supposedly not allowed to sell or lend the game to anyone.

    Before next gen, second hand games will be a thing of the past.

    This is not being pushed by Sony, this is a Software house driven thing, same thing will happen on live.

  3. Andrew_DS:

    This is a load of crap. But I have an idea that will cost hardly anything and wont require much time or effort.

    If we all get together and buy some managed servers we can create our own gaming network hub. Get some fiber optic links for some super fast lag free connections.

    Then create a virtual meeting place where gamers can log into and chat/bait other gamers. Provide some social network features and maybe chuck in some streamed movies and free game demos (unless you’re sony who charge for a demo of GT5!).

    Provide all this for free to the end gamer and bobs yer uncle we have an alternative to those nasty game companies ruthlessly trying to make us pay for products and services they have spent time and money producing and maintaining.

    I mean how dare they! The cheek of it.

  4. ncaissie:

    I agree this is an epic fail!

  5. phranctoast:

    “So if I want to lend a game to a friend which I bought and paid for and now own it is pretty much gimped with the online.”

    If this is anything like EA pass, and I believe it is, they already considered renters, and there’s a one time use per system code you can get from the website for free to use for a specific amount of time (7 days?)

    The admonishes any concerns renters or people that borrow your games should have.

  6. phranctoast:

    “Probably had to do it because of the 14 BILLION that the lost because of PSN being down for 3 months.”

    Nope. Sony was talking about this months prior to the PSN attack. This has 100% absolutely nothing to do with that……. at all.

    Oh… and it’s 14 billion Yen, before anyone else corrects you’re purposeful vague sentence.

  7. Barnabe Jones:

    LMFAO @ Sega ;)

  8. Barnabe Jones:

    Anywho, since I buy games new this doesn’t affect me.

    GameStop is overpriced anyway. You can almost always get the same game new for cheaper on Amazon. I hope these online passes give GameStop a kick in the balls.

    I hope they follow EA and start giving extra content instead like: Dead Space 2, Alice, DA:2, etc.

  9. phranctoast:

    *your*

  10. phranctoast:

    http://gamer.blorge.com/2010/05/11/ea-sports-starts-charging-for-online-play/

    We discussed this here. My stance did not change one bit.

  11. phranctoast:

    “I hope they follow EA and start giving extra content instead like: Dead Space 2, Alice, DA:2, etc.”

    That and free DLC months after the product comes out as a deterrent to trade it in is also a good idea as far as I’m concerned.

    Sony does do this, but only under PS plus it seems, so it’s not technically ‘free’.

  12. Kushy:

    PSN_FAIL:
    Andrew_DS:

    Do you see the writing pattern in the names? I could go on but Andrew_DS:, gig is up. Why don’t you make another name like Big_VIRGIN4LIFE: and amuse yourself all you like. Stupid dork kid! lol

  13. Roca.:

    BJ – “Anywho, since I buy games new this doesn’t affect me.

    GameStop is overpriced anyway. You can almost always get the same game new for cheaper on Amazon. I hope these online passes give GameStop a kick in the balls”

    well said, Gamestop prices are insane and I will rather pay the extra $5 for a new game and give my money to developers rather than giving it to the reseller… Or like you said, you can get the game new on Amazon for cheaper.

  14. Roca.:

    Kushy – “Do you see the writing pattern in the names?”

    good catch Kushy :)

    PSN_Fail & Andrew_DS – You got BUSTED

  15. phranctoast:

    Gamestop also fucks the game industry in more ways than one while being good to the cheap ass gamer.

    Yep…I’m talking about their return policy which is essentially an unlimited free rental pass for all their used games.

  16. twilight:

    “I’ve only been here 5mins and I am already starting to convert you Ps3 lovers to the truth.” There is no need to do this. We’re aware of how awesome Ps3 is already.
    Bj,
    I have never been a huge fan of buying used games. Besides, I love ripping open new games myself. The price difference in used games versus new games is very little anyways.

  17. Roca.:

    @Phranc
    Agreed, they give a nice return policy on used games (7-day rental) but man I will never buy a new hardware from gamestop. All other big companies will give you a full refound within 30-days for electronic devices. Gamestop will only exchange it for the same product.

    This sucks, specially if you buy a system few weeks before a price cut ;)

  18. phranctoast:

    I have a buddy that abuses the Gamestop return policy, and gets away with it because he’s friendly with the workers, and they really don’t give a shit one way or another.

    When he told me he has a problem with EA pass, I laughed at him. As far as I’m concerned he doesn’t deserve to have an opinion on the matter.

  19. twilight:

    Roca,
    This is why it is better to purchase big items from major stores. A good example of this would be my tv purchase. I took the Lg tv back and got the Samsung 3d tv. The 3d was incredible on the Lg tv but I just wasn’t pleased with the 2d picture quality on the Lg. Unlike purists, I am a huge fan of motion flow. There is no way I would ever turn the motion flow setting off. The motion flow and excellent video processing in Samsung tv’s create incredible picture quality.

  20. Roca.:

    @Twilight
    “This is why it is better to purchase big items from major stores”

    same here. I’m a Best Buy Reward Silver member, which gives me 45-day return and no restocking fee on everything :)

    I trust Samsung more than LG, their TVs are near the same quality level as the Bravias.

  21. ncaissie:

    It is pure bs. I have many ps3s and many gamers in my house. Time to quit gaming and find a new hobby.

  22. Roca.:

    ncaissie,
    I’m pretty sure you can re-download the PSN pass on all your active systems.

  23. twilight:

    I’m in the gamers club and I’m a silver member of Best Buy as well Roca. I love getting certificates back from purchases.

  24. twilight:

    Ncaissie,
    I don’t think I would ever quit gaming but I’ve learned to never say never.

  25. Roca.:

    @PSN_FAIL

    What are you complaining about, online play on PSN is still free. You guys have to pay for online play no matter what.

  26. phranctoast:

    While I said that I don’t have issues with this practice, I do have one thing to say.

    Whatever companies implement this better have dedicated servers lined up too.

  27. ncaissie:

    “Yep…I’m talking about their return policy which is essentially an unlimited free rental pass for all their used games.”
    That’s not true. They put stickers on new and used and you have 14 days if you don’t break the sticker.

  28. phranctoast:

    You have 7 days, and it can be any excuse, including whether or not you like the game or not. I personally know someone who does this, and it’s in the cheap ass gamer forums.

  29. Roca.:

    In the US, you get 7 days no matter what. I have seen people returning games because “they beat it within 7 days”

  30. twilight:

    Yeah, they only put stickers on open new display games here. All used games can be returned within 7 days. In fact, Gamestop has a return reason code of “didn’t like.” This is the main sales pitch that many Gamestop employees use to get people to buy used games over new games. A lot of people take advantage of this policy.

  31. CON:

    Well well well! Will be interesting to see how much sony charge for this ‘privilege’.

    @PSN FAIL

    You’re a fucking breath of fresh air in here!!! LOL. Have you been introduced to Ivan and Roca?

  32. phranctoast:

    It’ll probably be $10.

    EA already established the price.

  33. SW:

    I hate the games industry.

    Sell my games and they’re crippled, buy my game from a specific store if I want a measley char, pay $5-10 for said character if I had the GALL to buy it from somewhere else, not to mention the ass shafting that is DLC…

    And yet, without ‘em, I don’t get any new games.

    Darn.

  34. phranctoast:

    sounds like you’re mad a Capcom.

  35. phranctoast:

    *at*

  36. phranctoast:

    After re-reading your post SW i can see what you mean and it’s not just Capcom.

    My opinion:
    -Retailer specific presale DLC is completely fine with me, as long as the other characters are made avialable (for a fee) on the network in a reasonable amount of time.

    -DLC is trickier. I think lots of DLC should be free. Free DLC shows you are supporting your game, and at the same time giving gamers a reason not to resell it. It’s win win.

    -I have nothing on the ‘sell crippled games’ comment.
    That is true. You will get less for used games because of this.

  37. CON:

    I bought fifa second hand recently for £25 and then realised I couldn’t play online without spending another £8. The most annoying thing was that I spotted it the next week brand new for £24.99. LOL fucking EA.

    After Mass Effect 3 I’m done with EA.

  38. Roca.:

    @CON
    EA is pretty is handling this issue better than anyone else.

    They offer tons of free DLC for most of its game (if you buy them new). While activision is charging $15 for its map packs BFBC2 got over 5 free map packs and many other extra goodies.

    Same with Medal of Honor, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age, Need For Speed and many others. Titles from EA Sports (including your Fifa) are not as generous :( Good thing I don’t play sports game.

    This is not just about combat used games, it’s also to combat piracy

  39. phranctoast:

    “This is not just about combat used games, it’s also to combat piracy”

    IDK…
    Pirates can’t play online anyway.

  40. ncaissie:

    “ncaissie,
    I’m pretty sure you can re-download the PSN pass on all your active systems.”
    And how does that help my wife and kids?
    “Games that are a part of this program will include a single-use registration code that grants the account holder redeeming the code full online access for that title”
    That means my wife and kids have to use my account and that is bullshit.

  41. ncaissie:

    “You have 7 days, and it can be any excuse, including whether or not you like the game or not. I personally know someone who does this, and it’s in the cheap ass gamer forums.”
    Not here you don’t.

  42. ncaissie:

    I’ll just buy used games even cheaper ( EB is not the only place to get used games) and buy the online passes or just turn to complete piracy and not buy a single game. Easy as that.

  43. phranctoast:

    Wow.. You really showed them. Fuck them completely instead of the usual half assed fuck. *rolls eyes*

  44. oldschool1987:

    I got caught masturbating whilst sniffing my mates, sisters knickers yesterday. It wouldn’t have been so bad but she was still wearing them at the time, he went fucking nuts at me!

    …It made the rest of her funeral very awkward for the both of us.

  45. dans303:

    Erm . . . .

  46. oldschool1987:

    It’s a joke Dan…

  47. dans303:

    I know . . .

    Ridiculous if it did happen though . . .

  48. oldschool1987:

    …OK it did happen! I was embarrassed by your reaction and tried pretending it to be a joke.

    She was worth it though, didn’t complain once!

  49. Roca.:

    @ncaissie
    The few games I have that require online pass enable the console for online play. Every account on both of my PS3 can play those games online – Those games are BFBC2, NFS: Hot Persuit, Medal of Honor & MK

  50. oldschool1987:

    Online passes don’t effect me much, I’m not big on online gameing unless its:

    -CoD(ain’t it always?)
    -LBP
    -Any great co-op game(Portal 2, Resi 5)
    -Battlefield

    Any others can bore off. I’m an old school, single play campaign gamer.

  51. oldschool1987:

    LMFAO @ CONvict!!! He is so excited at the idea of another 360 fangirl on here! He genuinely seems over the moon that there is another 3rd60 fanslug on this website as retarded as himself :p

    Bless his little cotton socks.

    ‘breath of fresh air in here!!!’

    Anything is a breath of fresh air to you. You do live in a cave remember, due to the fact your on the run from the allied forces.

  52. dans303:

    I’m 2 trophies away from the Portal plat. On the route to the ‘neither player dying in course 4′ trophy my partner died on the end part of the last test. TWICE!

    After that he decided to take a couple hour break. Which is fine, except for the fact he hasn’t signed on in 2 days!!

  53. oldschool1987:

    ‘On the route to the ‘neither player dying in course 4? trophy’

    Me and Roca OWNED that first time lol.

    ‘he hasn’t signed on in 2 days!!’

    He probably hung himself in shame.

  54. Roca.:

    LMFAO @ oldschool

    Poor CON seems so excited and surprised about to see a 360 fangirl. I guess they are hard to come by these days lmao.

    @dans303
    me and oldschool managed to get the trophy in a single try.

  55. oldschool1987:

    ‘Poor CON seems so excited and surprised about to see a 360 fangirl’

    I know, 360 only fans are a rare phenomenom. We give Godless a lot of stick for being a 360 fanboy but he at least plays the PS3 a lot and does admit to the PS3 having better graphics, he just lets himself down by lying about things to make the 360 look better(Crysis 2 being the most recent and laughable) but he is no where near as sad and desperate as CON and RRoD_FAIL. These 2 are pitiful. One thing I don’t understand though is how does CON play his 360 if he lives in a cave, Where does he get electricity from?

    ‘me and oldschool managed to get the trophy in a single try’

    We showed that game how it is done!

  56. Ivan_PSP:

    I don’t buy PS3 use games. I only buy Sony made PS3 games but this PSP Pass sucks big time. Lets hope this greed doesn’t back fire on them. UNCHARTED 3: Drake’s Deception I hope Naughty Dog don’t include this since that’s the only Sony own studio that can get away with anything.

  57. oldschool1987:

    In English please, Ivan.

  58. Ivan_PSP:

    oldschool1987:
    Why not in Chinese or the world most spoken language Spanish… Let me know if you still trying to read my language.

  59. oldschool1987:

    The worlds most spoken language is Chinese, not Spanish and that’s because there is like 1.something Billion Chinese people. English is the most widespread spoken language.

    Now don’t get offended Ivan but it is kind of hard to get the gist of what you’re on about 9 times out of 10.

  60. ncaissie:

    Lol if thats the case then it won’t be bad Roca. But we all know these greedy bastards aren’t doing it for used games. Anyone that believes that is an idiot. And we know it won’t stop there soon we wll pay for PSN like the 3shitty then we will pay a sub for each game.
    @phranc Wow, and you bug the xbitches for liking it in the ass. Are you sure you’re not a closet xbitch?

  61. oldschool1987:

    If we do have to start paying for PSN then the Xbots have one over on us …one, that’s it seeing as we still have all the exclusives lol.

  62. oldschool1987:

    Is know one going to laugh at the joke I put!? I always get texts every day off random troops of jokes and this one made me choke on my(cock lol) Dr Pepper. I just have a perverted SoH :p

  63. Godless:

    ^^^

    Dude… while that’s funny as fuck. .it’s not exactly constructive ;)

  64. phranctoast:

    don’t encourage it.

  65. FahKinSuPah:

    The “Other PS3 Fag” is Ivan lmao

  66. jojo29:

    PSN_Fail….

    You Guys actually think he’s funny???….

  67. Godless:

    What’s not funny jojo . . .LOL ;)

    I now log in just to see what pearls of wisdom he has left scattered here on blorge.

    I haven’t laughed so much at this site since liquid last posted ;)

  68. Roca.:

    @PSN_FAIL
    “PSN IS NO LONGER FREE!”

    are you retarded or something?
    PSN is free and will remain free, certain games will required an online pass for online (nothing new, THQ & EA has been doing it since last year). As long as you buy the game new then you shouldn’t have a problem and online will be free.

    for used games you will need to buy the online pass, but again this is nothing new. The sad part is that You Xbot loser pay for XBL and still have to pay for the online Pass – double ass raping if you ask me.

  69. Rhino:

    I think PSN_FAIL is re-living the last time he met Aaron Greenberg.

    Seriously mate you’ve gotta cut back on the Red Bull and Doritos. Get outside, get some air. If not maybe check out the hot women on the Chive.

    PSN is still free to play providing you buy the game brand new.

  70. navysteve:

    Is anyone else excited about the two rugby games coming out? I am its about time we had a good rugby game.

  71. phranctoast:

    “Is anyone else excited about the two rugby games coming out? ”

    No.

  72. Roca.:

    Phranc – “No.”

    I second that….*yawn*

  73. twilight:

    Con,
    I am amazed. You actually mentioned a game for the first time. (Smile).

  74. Godless:

    last sports game I played and enjoyed was Decathlon on the C64

    tried Fifa 2007 on 360 then 2009 on PS3, didn’t like them

  75. twilight:

    I really love tennis games the best. I also like soccer games.

  76. navysteve:

    yanks don’t like it as they have the womans version in NFL but how anyone from the uk can’t be excited I dont understand

  77. phranctoast:

    Yanks are baseball silly ;)

  78. Roca.:

    “but how anyone from the uk can’t be excited I dont understand”

    You never will ;)

  79. dans303:

    “Me and Roca OWNED that first time lol.”

    The douche that I was playing with fucked it up – twice he clipped the edge of the entry portal for the final jump and therefore didn’t have the speed to get him safely over. Douche.

    I used to be big into sports games. Fifa, Pro Evo, Madden, Tiger Woods and even a couple rugby games. But now they’ve become a bit stale and I’ve hardly played Fifa 11 at all.

    @navysteve

    UK guy here. No interest. Not after playing previous rugby games. How do you know it will be so good by the way?

  80. ncaissie:

    I just picked up medal of honor, Tony hawk ride and enslaved for $10 each. EB is having a two week sale. Better get my game on while I still can.

  81. Roca.:

    Just want to remind this PSN_Fail guy that his an idiot. Making a parade becasue of this PSN pass is a pretty stupid idea. Let me clear things up for you

    PSN = Free
    Some games (a small percentage) of games required an online pass for online play but PSN is still free.

    XBL = $60/year

    *Buy new game – still need to pay the XBL fee
    *Buy used game – pay for the online pass and also for XBL fee
    *Free Games from piracy – pay for the online pass, also for XBL fee and likely to get banned
    *Steal your friend’s game – pay for the online pass and also for XBL fee
    *Got a free game as a gift – still need to pay the XBL fee
    *Got an online beta invite – still need to pay the XBL fee
    *borrow a game from a friend – still need to pay the XBL fee and for the online pass as well.
    *You buy an MMO game – need to pay the MMO monthly fee and also paid for XBL fee.

  82. Ivan_PSP:

    oldschool1987:
    I think you right lol but I think Spanish is the most complete language.

    This year Box 360 only savior got murder by piracy Gears of War 3 is going to make lose big money they better bring that series at least to PlayStation Vita since that’s the console they want to see it.

    I hope PlayStation Network Pass works really well for Sony and us millions of proud PlayStation lucky owners.

  83. ncaissie:

    You can tell them until you are blue in the face Roca, they are too stupid to understand.

  84. navysteve:

    What did you never behold the glory that was Jonah lomu rugby on the psone? Wow what a game.

    In answer to your question I have asked Jesus if I can use one of my three wishes to make these games good.

  85. Rhino:

    @navysteve, not sure which rugby game you’re talking about mate, but the red are into the super 14 final for the first time in….well fucking forever.

    Hopefully the Aussie selectors will get their heads out of their ass this time and pick players with form.

  86. oldschool1987:

    RRoD_FAIL seems to be totally obsessed with gay sex, I wonder why?

  87. jojo29:

    Navysteve
    US football produces tougher, faster, bigger, more agile athletes than rubgy.

    Kudos to rugby for being the father of american football though…although we just took,rugby and made it better ;)

  88. jojo29:

    @PSN_Fail

    Godless is right, thanka psnfail, I havent laughed at how stupid someone can actually be in a long time ;) well since HH,the dipshit….thanks psnfail

  89. oldschool1987:

    ‘US football produces tougher, faster, bigger, more agile athletes than rubgy’

    I don’t like American Football or Rugby at all but everyone knows that Rugby is a lot(A LOT) tougher, brutal, physically demanding and dangerous.

  90. Rhino:

    Rugby and Gridiron are 2 very different styles. rugby is a technical tackling sport, where’s Gridiron is more a collision….Well that’s how I played it lol lol lol.

  91. phranctoast:

    “I don’t like American Football or Rugby at all but everyone knows that Rugby is a lot(A LOT) tougher, brutal, physically demanding and dangerous.”

    While American football is the most strategic.

    also

    Forward passing makes the sport so much more enjoyable to watch.

  92. FahKinSuPah:

    I’m starting to think PSN_Fail is actually Kev in disguise.

  93. Roca.:

    None of them rugby players will stand a chance in the offensive line in Football…now that’s tough

  94. CON:

    Look at old acting the big man when I’m not here.

    Weren’t such a big man when I called you out.

    Faggot

  95. jojo29:

    @oldschool
    “I don’t like American Football or Rugby at all but everyone knows that Rugby is a lot(A LOT) tougher, brutal, physically demanding and dangerous.”

    Sorry, although im not trying to take anything away from Rugby at all, as it is a VERY tough sport, it by no means is “more” physically demanding than football, although i agree, ONLY DUE to the players NOT wearing pads, yes it ‘can’ be more dangerous in ONLY that aspect…Allow me to explain, as i did to birdy when he tried to argue basketball athletes > football athletes..

    On the physically demanding aspect on why i believe Gridiron > Rugby:

    The Offensive/Defensive linemen AVERAGE 6’4″ 300lbs….now that in itself is just the AVERAGE size of these guys, some can be smaller..some bigger…these monsters are also, on average, capable of running a 4/40 in 5.2 seconds….

    To put the above in perspective, one of the fastest safeties in the league, taylor mays ( 6’3, 230lbs ) runs the 4/40 in 4.3 seconds….hes fast, but the linemen are no slouch, they could probably outrun you guys, birdman and myself…and they weigh in at 300lbs…imagine getting hit by these guys….<—collision sport american football is and i hope, just based on this, you can see and understand why the helmets and pads are neccessary…linebackers can be bigger and faster than these guys….running backs smaller but faster, but are like mini diessel trucks..

    Again, im not trying to put Rugby down…but, American Football produces the worlds toughest, most agile, fastest, biggest and stronger athletes…in the world….overall

  96. FahKinSuPah:

    As much as I love (american) football and can respect the physical prowess of those athletes I would love to see some of them strap on some skates and hit the ice for a game of hockey! Now that would be an awsome game to watch.

    Hockey players are pretty big, beefy guys too, and then they have all that equipment strapped on and then they zip around the ice on thin, sharp metal blades. We all know how dangerous those skates can be. A player had his neck sliced open last season.

  97. MAK:

    @Fahkin

    Remember this?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plvKlnguJVE

    @CON
    One reason why the middle east if fucked up:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12/data-shows-pakistan-googling-pornographic-material/

    Those bastards dont like sharing their oil. I wonder what would happen if we didnt share our internet.

    ON TOPIC
    Why does NO ONE ever blame GameFly for this Pass shit.
    Get all the games you want for a small fee. Now you wont be able to play online unless you pay the money EA, Sony, etc should get.

  98. CON:

    JOJO

    American football is for pussies. If they’re so hard why the need for shoulder pads, helmets and ‘cups’ etc lol. Also in rugby you are running for the full 80 minutes……that goes for the 300ibs players also.

    America needs to get with the program and start joining in with world recognised sports…..maybe they would get a little bit more respect. They haven’t actually got a bad football team but unfortunately it’s not widely followed.

  99. Barnabe Jones:

    Con,

    You need to get with the program and learn how to spell “recognised”. :D

  100. oldschool1987:

    LOL @ CONvict trying to make himself look good by lying once again. Saying you ‘called me out’ doesn’t make it true you fucking retard.

    If I remember correctly you said you were flying into England for work around Sept or Nov last year and would tell me the date nearer the time(for some reason wouldn’t tell me then, hmm) but come nearer the time you failed to mention when you were coming over.

    Not surprised, you act a big man all the time but me, you and everyone on here knows that you’re nothing but a leftie pos faggot who shows constant support for terrorists and laugh at the death of human beings.

    You’re scum CONvict and you fail at life.

  101. ncaissie:

    “American football is for pussies. If they’re so hard why the need for shoulder pads, helmets and ‘cups’ etc lol”

    umm, because it is so rough? I know logic goes over your fat head but really? Are you sure you are not Ivans retarded sister?

  102. Roca.:

    They need pats and helmet because none would survive a all the different kinds of “hard hits” that goes on in Football, specially from those 300lbs players. I believe rugby has rules against these type hits lmao, talk about pussies.

  103. oldschool1987:

    @ Roca: Rugby players are not pussies. I don’t see them wearing body armour at all. No need to take the piss out of our sport and call our players pussies. I ain’t done that to your footballers, even though they’re the ones wearing more body armour than a soldier. I could easily call them lot pussies, but I don’t.

  104. Roca.:

    I didn’t call them pussies, I countered CONvict’s stupid statements by simply mentining that rugby has rules against the type of hits, crushes, tackles that goes on in Football..then I mocked him and said “talking about pussies” since he brought the pussy brought first.

  105. oldschool1987:

    Well seeing as you’re saying it to wind up CONvict, I’ll let it go lol.

  106. jojo29:

    Rugby/Gridiron players are what they eat, and im willing to bet they get a lot of it….lol

    In all seriousness neither type of players are pussies at all…

    CON is just the village idiot, as he obviously cannot put 2+2 together…take a 6’4″, 300lb man, sprinting at a 5.2 4/40 pace and you can understand why the pads are neccessary….

    Rugby, yes they are running and moving all the time, but not at the above pace…Soccer players move all the time, specifically the mid fielders, but there are times where they are just ‘jogging’…in football there really is not jogging, each play, in order to maximize plays such as play actions, everyone must move at full on sprint speed…each and every play…

    Again, im not trying to take away from rugby or soccer ( my absolute fav sport ) just gotta lay down the facts…

  107. Godless:

    Yawn

    Let’s not go down the My dad’s bigger than your dad thing again with the Rugby Vs US Football thing.

    or soldiers

    or Starwars. . .please not Starwars. .

    Quick Mike . .new post

    there must be a European fruit trade update by now.

    I’m dying to find out if Turkeys’ exporting projections for olives in the 2 quarter 2011 have been met.

  108. Roca.:

    American Trukey is better ;)

  109. oldschool1987:

    @ Godless:

    Thanks for reminding us about Star Wars, I think star Wars is a…

  110. Roca.:

    I bet if it was religion Godless will be all over it. Noticed how he left that one out.. lmao

  111. Godless:

    LOL,

    I was going to list religion, but wasn’t sure if any of you would recall it. . . Guess you would ;)

  112. SW:

    “there must be a European fruit trade update by now.”

    Let me check my notes…

  113. phranctoast:

    “BOOM!”

    Awesome. You big toe finally didn’t slip from the trigger.

  114. phranctoast:

    Yeah.. That should read *your*

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