Who will win Battle of the Shooters 2011?

September 29, 2011

Battlefield 3 or Modern Warfare 3? Wait, what about Uncharted 3? They’re all shooters, they’re all brilliant, and they’re all being released soon.

Shooters have become the dominant genre of gaming now, at least amongst the hardcore. So while the casual mainstream are puzzling over puzzle games and socializing over social games, the hardcore elite are busy aiming bullets at each other online. But only after playing through usually far-too-short-for-their-own-good campaigns.

The popularity of first-person shooters means that every company wants to produce their own, and then release them just before the holiday season kicks in and everybody’s thoughts turn to Christmas. So we get a glut of solid shooters, most of which are released within weeks of each other. The question is which will win this year’s fight to the death?

Battle of the shooters 2011…

Battlefield 3 – 35% of all votes
Uncharted 3 – 18% of all votes
Modern Warfare 3 – 14% of all votes
Gears of War 3 – 11% of all votes
Rage – 8% of all votes
Halo 4 – 8% of all votes
Resistance 3 – 3% of all votes
Killzone 3 – 3% of all votes
Bulletstorm – 2% of all votes

I left Halo 4 in there so that I could take easy potshots at the idiot who submitted it and the even bigger idiots who then voted it up the list. Halo 4 may indeed turn out to be a great game, but it’s still a full year away from release, you total and utter f*ck nuggets. Are you just completely stupid or are you such big fanboys that you cannot look past one franchise? It’s a shame, it really is.

I expected Modern Warfare 3 to top this poll. After all, the Call Of Duty games top the bestsellers list year after year. It didn’t even manage second place on this occasion, with Uncharted 3 beating it. While this small poll may not mean much in the big scheme of things, I have heard a lot more about Battlefield 3 in the build-up to its release than any previous Battlefield title. Which must be sweet music to EA’s ears.

Be sure to vote in this month’s poll, which asks ‘Which console has the best line-up for the 2011 Holiday Season?’ Try not to let bias get in the way, eh.



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105 Responses to “Who will win Battle of the Shooters 2011?”

  1. The Future of Sega:

    “you total and utter f*ck nuggets.”

    You stealing my words mate? Conceive your own punch lines buddy.:D…I’m placing my bet on Modern Warfare 3. The series has done exceptionally well since its conception except for a few hiccups…(COD3, W.A.W, & Black Ops). Beside those awful games the Call of Duty series is a safe bet to place for the best shooters category.

    If you disagree with me feel free to mail your sentiments at:

    Po Box
    Landfill,

  2. oldschool1987:

    “but it’s still a full year away from release, you total and utter f*ck nuggets. Are you just completely stupid or are you such big fanboys that you cannot look past one franchise? It’s a shame, it really is.”

    Lmfao! Dave should write more articles.

  3. CaptBirdman:

    “I expected Modern Warfare 3 to top this poll. After all, the Call Of Duty games top the bestsellers list year after year. It didn’t even manage second place on this occasion, with Uncharted 3 beating it.”

    LMFAO, really Dave? I love your articles man (moreso now than Mike’s. Dude’s biased), but did you seriously write this paragraph? To quote you:

    ” you total and utter f*ck nugget”.

    No disrespect there, just thought it’d be a funny retort.

    To get to my point, this site has become vastly overrun by PS3 fanboys, and while I’m not necessarily stating that it’s a bad thing, you definitely were not going to get MW3 at the top, and you’d have to be pretty thick to think that you were going to. The way I see it is this: because Microsoft has exclusivity deals with Activision and CoD, PS3 gamers (on this site and others) see that franchise as a 360 game (bollocks, I know) and see Battlefield as a PS3 game. Hell, one of the devs for Battlefield 3 was quoted as saying “Our PS3 game (BF3) will look better/be better than their 360 game (MW3).”

    So I’m just saying you’d have to be mental to honestly think MW3 was going to top this list on *THIS* site.

    C’mon mate, this is the site where the majority thinks Killzone 3 looks better than Crysis 2. Games on other systems will never get a fair shake here (notice how Crysis 2 isn’t even listen on this poll, when it’s clearly superior to R3 and….wait for it…BULLETSTORM?????)

  4. CaptBirdman:

    Off topic:

    Anyone else thought they did a great job making Resident Evil CVX HD and did a “just OK” job on Resident Evil 4 HD?

    But fuck me if the trophies for both games aren’t horseshit…. twelve trophies PER GAME? With no platinum in either? Granted, I’m a Plus member so I got the games for 10 bucks each, but it’s pretty ridiculous to even ask for $20 for Code Veronica with a serious face… Oh and RE4 is going for 4 dollars on PS2.

    Capcom can bite me. Nickel and dimers, they are. I’m officially saying it: THEY ARE WORSE THAN ACTIVISION.

  5. Godless:

    Yeah. .Dave..

    “you total and utter f*ck nuggets” brought a smile to my face.

    I’m, with birdy for most of what he said, though, I think there are a lot of 360 owners who genuinely prefer the BF games. so the results of the poll are pretty much what I expected, though out in the real world, I think MW3 will still out sell it.

    Birdy
    Regarding Crysis2, I wouldn’t rate it that highly, I think the environmental detail is right up at the top, but the refresh rate is too low, and the screen blur thing when panning is awful. I would rate games with cleaner moving graphics higher, even if it lacked the level of detail.

    I’ve only seen the first few levels of Killzone3 so I’n not really able to give a final opinion on it but from what I’ve seen so far I would rate Gears 3 as the best shooter i’ve seen to date.

  6. CaptBirdman:

    Yeah, I’m going to go with Gears 3 as being one of the best looking of the year. I (naively) thought Gears would look the same as Gears 2, but I was pleasantly surprised. They did an awesome job, and the colour palatte gives Uncharted 2 a run for it’s money.

    But Gods, what did you mean specifically by you wouldn’t rate Crysis 2 highly? As in overall or the graphics? I’m curious.

    If it’s the latter, there’s really no debate (among those who aren’t console biased): Crysis 2 is the best looking console shooter, and it’s not even close (as in, the concensus). Also I think the screen blur is intentional. It was the same in both Farcrys, and the first Crysis (assuming you haven’t played either). It’s also an awesome game, if you exclude the multiplayer.

  7. oldschool1987:

    Just played the Battlefield 3 beta …meh, unimpressed. Had high hopes as well, even the graphics are underwhelming. Killzone 3 is still the best looking console shooter this generation.

  8. CaptBirdman:

    I think the beta was always gonna be rough though Oldy… they almost always are. God of War 3′s demo looked terrible next to the finished product (but it wasn’t THAT far off, to be fair.)

    While I think BF’s graphics will most likely be better than, say MW3′s, it will definitely be an inferior game. Multiplayer, people can say what they want, and I have no opinion cause I say fuck all multiplayer modes. They’re all tacked on POS anyway. Single player is where CoD always shines, and it’s where BF almost always falls flat.

  9. phranctoast:

    lol. GOW3 looks terrible. hahahahahahahahahahah

  10. CaptBirdman:

    You honestly think so Batman? I’m not going to disagree, I’m just asking.

  11. oldschool1987:

    Gears or GoW? Either way none of them look terrible. Both beautiful games.

  12. Godless:

    If you remember a good while back, I didn’t rate God OW3 at all due to the demo.

    The Demo of Gods3 is piss poor, and I totally stick by my opinion that the demo for dante is better, both looks and the short play experience.
    having played the full Gods3 game, I can agree that it does look stunning in places.

    Birdy

    I like Crisis2 as a game, and I’ve just started playing through it again, but the blur is disappointing, more so on the PS3 than the xbox. On xbox the blur effect is nowhere near as bad. On the PC it’s almost non existent and is more of a deliberate graphical effect, and doesn’t just look like the machine wasn’t able to finish rendering before trying to display the next frame.

  13. Godless:

    I’ve tried a couple of times to get on to the Noob servers for Crysis2 with no luck, anyone here play this game multiplayer?

  14. FahKinSuPah:

    Dave just totally made my morning lmao :D

  15. oldschool1987:

    “more so on the PS3 than the xbox”

    Fanboy til the end.

  16. Godless:

    Oldschool. .

    Yet again. .try playing them before you start talking.

    It’s blatantly bloody obvious when you see both games running, and I have seen them running on the same TV when we compared them at a mates house.

    If you weren’t such a PS3 fag, you’d be able to admit that sometimes, the 360 does actually get things better than the PS3

    Try Googling it. .or get roca to do it. .he, can find whatever he wants to on google

  17. oldschool1987:

    I know the 360 does some things better than the Ps3, in fact it does a lot of things better, I’ve never once said that it doesn’t! Find a quote of me saying that every single thing the Ps3 does is better than the 360. Find it or stfu.

    I call bullshit on your C2 claim because every single comparison article had these 2 games neck and neck with each other with such small differences between them.

    But obviously because you’re a raving 360 fag-tard you claim the Ps3 is inferior when most articles ay you’re full of shit(as usual).

    “and I have seen them running on the same TV when we compared them at a mates house.”

    LOL biggest load of shit, ever!

    Anyway we all know how full of shit and lies you are these days, you claimed Kameo looks better than R+C. You’re the one who started that flamebait, no one has ever compared those 2 before but because you’re such a fanmong you had to compare one of your precious exclusives to an exclusive ona rival console. You could of easily just of said “Kameo is a great looking game and a lot of fun” instead you put it’s better looking than R+C and proceeded to call it a Spyro rip off. Fanboyism at it’s worst.

  18. phranctoast:

    Just laughing at you Capt. I guess like godless you’re blind when it comes to judging graphics.

  19. CaptBirdman:

    Why? What did I say???

  20. CaptBirdman:

    Is it because you think Gears is ugly?

  21. CaptBirdman:

    Wait, I think I know what you mean.

    I said “God of War 3?s demo looked terrible next to the finished product”.

    I was saying that compared to the retail version of God of War 3, the demo looked terrible. I think God Of War was beautiful. Perhaps you should read what I say more slowly, so that you don’t think I’m disrespecting something when I’m in fact praising it.

  22. phranctoast:

    You said the GOW3 demo looked terrible but it wasn’t too far from the real thing. Simple Logic applied…. GOW3 looks terrible.

  23. Godless:

    Birdy

    You dared to give a negative comment on something PS3 related. .expect flak regardless of how valid your comment.

    Old School, I bought Crysis2 on PS3, mate bought it on 360.

    When we discussed the game, i said I was disappointed in the frame blur when looking around, he said, it wasn’t that bad,. so next time I wend down I took the game, and we fired them both on to compare.

    Is there something unusual about that. . don’t you have any buddies or something. .I don’t know what to oldscool, other than “try playing the games before commenting , until then STFU”

  24. jojo29:

    Captain

    First, no one sees bf as a ps3 game…its a pc game period…im actually playinb both literally at the same time….pc is brutal, bring your A game or gtfo on pc….

    Second, consoles pretty much ruined Crysis….read the pc forums lf the game….they reduced it to be more “CoD” like and removed vehicles and the openess of the first game….which is why on consoles, Killzone 3 is on par or better graphically…

    As far as being “disappointed” with the graphics in BF3…. You guys are forgetting DICE turned destructible walls OFF for this beta…and your still missing the vehicle side of things….its only 50% of the gameplay and bf3 already spanks whats out there with one level lol

    Also, Geara 3 looks awesome, but, still falls short, graphically (people here keep getting graphical STYLe mixed with GRAPHICa, im looking at you GODLESS) and captain, after his Kameo vs RC claims, id take whatever Godless say with 1 grain of salt….better yet here goes a question:

    Which is the better playing and looking game: Kameo or Ratchet and Clank and would you,seriously compare the two captain. Remember, ps3 fanboys are not “auto” bf fans, thats an insult…ive been a battlefield fanboy since 1941….and um glad the series has returned to its roots, on PC 70+ fps with all setting in ultra on pc for ne so far ;)

  25. phranctoast:

    Still trying to figure out why you played GOW3 before 2…..

    GOW2 is the best game in the franchise.

    Ghost of Sparta was pretty F’in awesome.

  26. oldschool1987:

    “Is there something unusual about that. . don’t you have any buddies or something”

    Oh you hit the nail on the head! I’m in the fucking Army, which means I don’t just have “friends” but they’re also my brothers …also have my civi friends as well. Use your head next time instead of making retarded claims.

    i still call bullshit on you and your “fwend” having 2 TVs set up next to each other with a Ps3 in one and a 360 in the other, comparing them. Don’t buy it.

  27. CaptBirdman:

    No, your logic is flawed Bats.

    I said

    “God of War 3?s demo looked terrible next to the finished product (but it wasn’t THAT far off, to be fair.)”

    meaning that while I thought the demo was good, it was blown out of the water by the finished product. When I said it wasn’t that far off, I was saying that the demo was still pretty damned good in it’s own right. I can be quoted as saying I thought GoW’s demo was pretty nice on this site, and there is a search feature in the upper right hand corner ;)

    My point to Oldschool was that, oftentimes, demos aren’t representative of the finished product, and I’m 99% sure Oldy knows that, and was just sharing his opinion, as was I. Flip it however you’d like Bats, but that’s not what I meant.

    “You dared to give a negative comment on something PS3 related. .expect flak regardless of how valid your comment.”

    Right?! Lol, it’s hard (well not really) to be objective on this site at times. You get shit for telling the truth, and then when they think you are lying, you get accused of lying. It’s kind of a no-win if you aren’t a rabid fanboy haha

    You all know me. I like PS3 better, but I definitely will call Sony out if it deserves it, unlike a few others, who shall remain nameless ;)

    nananananananananananana

  28. phranctoast:

    “You dared to give a negative comment on something PS3 related. .expect flak regardless of how valid your comment.”

    No.

    He expressed criticism graphically about a game that even now is in the top five most impressive looking games this generation.

  29. phranctoast:

    @Capt.

    I can only read what you write.. Not what’s in your head.

  30. CaptBirdman:

    “First, no one sees bf as a ps3 game”

    Actually Jojo, the devs themselves said that… we all know some games…”are better”… on PC, and because you are the resident BF expert, I have to take your word for it there that it’s better on PC. But there is a quote somewhere that one of the devs called BF3 “our PS3 game”, and it’s even more evident because the publishers have since taken a side, EA with Sony, and Activision with Microsoft. I’m not making it up mate, I just can’t be arsed to find the quote, but if you’d really like me to, I will.

    “Which is the better playing and looking game: Kameo or Ratchet and Clank and would you,seriously compare the two captain”

    Asking me? Hmm I didn’t really have an opinion about this, cause I wasn’t in the discussion, but to answer: Kameo looked better when it first came to Xbox. I’m comparing it to the PS2 version of R&C of course, cause now, there is no comparison graphically. However, playbility has always gone to R&C. Kameo sucked, bro…

  31. CaptBirdman:

    “He expressed criticism graphically about a game that even now is in the top five most impressive looking games this generation.”

    This is why I hardly frequent this site.

    No I didn’t, and I’ll leave it at that.

  32. jojo29:

    Captain
    Thnks on the expert on BF
    And yes I know the quote your speaking about, its actually made the CoD vs BF topic even better as yes, the devs seem to have picked “sides”, but honesty, I look at it more as cod vs bf than ps3 vs 360….

    I believe Activision and MS are to blame for receiving comments such as the one where DICE says our ps3 game is better than your 360 game and our pc game is better than your pc, due to Activision releasing and caterimg dlc to the xbox over ps3, and the 360 being the lead developmemt console for xod and the ps3 for bf, so in essence th ery are talking about whose the better developer, to which I,say DICE is ;)

    And as far as thia site being “ps3″ biased….its only seems like it because yoh have idiots like godless stating that Kameo looks and plays better than RC….ive called out Sony out on all their bullshit moves, a llt of yall just choose to ignore that, most recently with thT new contract agreement, I slammed them on that, among many mistakes…this site wasnt even on the the radar due to how badly it was over run by ms fanbitches…

  33. oldschool1987:

    I think the reason for the disapointment was because all the clips I seen was for the PC version, didn’t see any console clips so it was a bit of a shock seeing how much worse off the console version looks. This gen is starting to show it’s age.

  34. phranctoast:

    I can freely admit I misunderstood you Capt, but to be fair given what you wrote, my interpretation makes more sense than your explanation.

    You kind of remind me of CB Capt. You write something that’s straight up flame bait..get called on it and have a long winded explanation stating you didn’t mean it the way you wrote it.

  35. jojo29:

    Oldschool
    Im gonna tell you the same thing I told my bro:
    The trailers say its pc version if the game….lol

    And yes, its a pretty big difference, as it should be, as pc are on the latest graphics hardware and can pull from a lot more resources…but its funny to me people say you need an “alienware” computer to run bf3 at the,highest setting…my comp is going on…i believe 4 years old….it cost me about….$800 to build including monitor g15gaming keyboard /g9 gaming mouse….it runs bf3 on all setting ultra, with a constant 70 fps….

    Anywhoo I got side track and its early here at,work lol

  36. phranctoast:

    Oh.. And Capt’s point remains.

    Betas aren’t a good judge of a finished products graphics.

  37. CaptBirdman:

    ” I look at it more as cod vs bf than ps3 vs 360″

    Same here. It’s just that those that represent us (i.e. the gaming community on the internet) seem to believe that it’s a PS3 vs 360 thing, when both games are coming to both systems. If anyone disagrees with this, go to any, and I mean ANY Youtube video that’s showing features for BF3 or MW3. It’s honestly not even amusing anymore.

    I don’t know man, I just can’t fervently defend pieces of plastic that have taken hundreds if not thousands of dollars from me, without being objective. Most of the people on here devote themselves to their console of choice like a crazy girlfriend or a fucking religion, and see no faults. No I don’t think you’re one of them Jojo, in case you’re wondering, but you have to admit that nowadays, it’s the PS3 fans that are becoming the annoying ones.

    Not giving CAD,CON,Happy or other’s passes, but I just call everything like I see it, I can’t help it.

  38. CaptBirdman:

    “You kind of remind me of CB Capt. You write something that’s straight up flame bait..get called on it and have a long winded explanation stating you didn’t mean it the way you wrote it.”

    Sorry about that. I truly never mean to sound that way, honestly. I guess my ways of writing can be…perhaps a bit vague. But I honestly mean what I say the first time, and you’d be hard pressed to find a time where I tried to weasel out of my opinion ;)

    (Sorry Carl, I had to take that shot at you, but it’s only cause I’m being honest. And slightly taking the piss there :) )

  39. phranctoast:

    It’s all good. If we all didn’t argue we’d all agree. We can’t have that now.

    The horror.

  40. phranctoast:

    https://twitter.com/#!/Thylander/status/119307366272466944
    @Thylander : So I will point out. It is a beta. Not a demo. We’ve had a lot if time to fix things since it was made, and are fixing based on feedback.

    https://twitter.com/#!/TreitandTrue/status/119479465612025857
    @TreitandTrue : Lot of feedback for the #BF3Beta. My own thoughts. Yes, it’s a little rough, but it IS a beta. Remember, this build is pretty old by now.

  41. phranctoast:

    https://twitter.com/#!/Thylander/status/119307366272466944
    @Thylander : So I will point out. It is a beta. Not a demo. We’ve had a lot if time to fix things since it was made, and are fixing based on feedback.

    *ttps://twitter.com/#!/TreitandTrue/status/119479465612025857
    @TreitandTrue : Lot of feedback for the #BF3Beta. My own thoughts. Yes, it’s a little rough, but it IS a beta. Remember, this build is pretty old by now.

    Mike/Dave. Please delete my “comment awaiting moderation”

  42. jojo29:

    All good captain

    The thing is, there will always be fanboyism, look at me with battlefiels, its the greatest fps of all time, and get caught up in those flame wars all the time..

    The thing is,though, in,this site, for example, you have godless making claims like Kameo is better graphically and gameplay wise than RC<– the only other platformer that is better involves a plumber….thats how good RC is that it takes a Mario game to top it.. kameo isnt even close to,that, yet godless believes so, and when pointed to sources of facts that say otherwise, we are labeled fanboys….

    Ive given MS their props, Gears 3, Fable, Halo, Forza, their true and only "exclusives" are up there with the industries best….but, PS3 just offers me better andd more alternatives, couple that with the Online sub and im not sold…trust me, the day Sony charges me to play online, ill be a nintendo/pc fan only…its that,big,a deal to me ;)

    Roca,, yeah he may come off as fanboyish, but he does provide links/research to pretty much all his debates..

    Ncassie is ncassie and,the,rest of the gamerblorge members are clealy dual console owners so I dont get this ps3 fanboy,site…

    It seems like that because of the above scenarios…thats like me trting to say Modnation is a better looking and running game than Forza, and linking sales to try and prove that…ill get reamed here if,i,would truly believe that lol

  43. CaptBirdman:

    ” If we all didn’t argue we’d all agree. We can’t have that now.

    The horror.”

    I Lol’d.

    Yeah, there are still some that disagree with what I say just cause my name is CaptBirdman ;)

    But my hope is that I have made some sense in my time here. Fuckers.

  44. phranctoast:

    I like the developers getting defensive and saying a beta is not a demo..lol

    Seriously…Sometimes I wonder why the bother releasing anything but I final product to the public.

    They’re just setting themselves up for flack.

  45. CaptBirdman:

    “thats like me trting to say Modnation is a better looking and running game than Forza, and linking sales to try and prove that…ill get reamed here if,i,would truly believe that lol”

    Hmm… I don’t know. Methinks Roca might back up that sentiment, and provide pie charts why it’s true and NCaissie would say both games suck and then afterwards slit his own wrist.

    Cause you know, he’s emo. ;)

  46. CaptBirdman:

    “I like the developers getting defensive and saying a beta is not a demo..lol”

    I kind of understand that though Bats. Most of the time, betas are largely in a state of flux, whereas a demo more represents the official product (not always, as I said before). As an alpha and beta tester, I’ve seen games do full 180s when it comes to tester or consumer input. Demo’s, while they can change considerably, often have certain mechanics set in stone. Perhaps that’s a minimal difference to some, but to devs, it’s kind of a huge difference.

  47. phranctoast:

    “Yeah, there are still some that disagree with what I say just cause my name is CaptBirdman”

    I guess my biggest problem with you is religion.
    I’m more agnostic myself but I don’t believe in trying to rip someones faith. I also don’t believe in the pretentious attitude atheist have toward people with faith. As if everyone else is just dumb and the atheist really know how it is.

    Kind of reminds me of the Darwin fish with legs used to mock Christianity.There’s just got to be a better way to express lack of belief without being a instigator.

  48. phranctoast:

    Darwin fish=car ornament in case it wasn’t clear.

  49. phranctoast:

    I’m glad the beta is open. Helps determine server stability. I haven’t had the time to fire it up myself. Maybe Saturday morning as I’ll be all about the playoffs tonight.

  50. CaptBirdman:

    Hmm… my opinion is quite the opposite, and antagonistic to your opinion there. The reason being is that religion has persecuted others for millenia, and I’m kind of amused that other atheists criticize religion as fervently as they do. It’s kind of a just desserts thing.

    I have no problems with religion, personally, and hey if people want to believe in medieval fairy tales, far be it from me to tell them otherwise. It’s just that when the uneducated attempt to argue science or try to tell others how to live their lives (like gay or lesbian people) I get miffed.

    It’s like a bully complaining about being bullied. That kind of shit just doesn’t fly with me.

  51. twilight:

    Speaking of Gears Of War 3, this game has sold over 3 million copies since it came out. The graphics of Gears Of War 3 are top notch graphics.

  52. phranctoast:

    I can do without pushy religious people myself.

  53. phranctoast:

    “Speaking of Gears Of War 3, this game has sold over 3 million copies since it came out. The graphics of Gears Of War 3 are top notch graphics.”

    I played it at Best buy and Walmart. Too bad the monitors were only 720p so there’s no benefit of the upscaling abilities of the 360.

    With that said I though Ghost of Sparta was actually crisper. Likely because it’s natively 1080p. I can’t believe that was a PSP game..

    Anyone who hasn’t gotten it yet..Do yourself a favor. At least rent it.

  54. Roca.:

    BF3 beta

    compared to COD – it sucks.
    compared to BFBC2 – it sucks even more.

    The beta is an old build of the game and have destruction turned off and no vehicle. The map is also pretty small compared to other maps on BC2. To be Honest, BC2 has maps so huge that a few COD missions can fit in them.

    God of War 3 – the game has one of the best graphics this generation. The beta was a little compressed but it still look better then most games out there.

  55. Roca.:

    @Phranc
    Ghost of Spart looks beautiful…idk why Chains of Olympus didn’t get the same treatment.

  56. phranctoast:

    Escaping the volcano was friggin awesome.

  57. Roca.:

    I’m not there yet, I’m on my way back to Atlantis

  58. phranctoast:

    back to Atlantis?

    Escaping the volcano is kind of the beginning. After you kill the sea monster.

  59. oldschool1987:

    I look forward to getting that GoW Origins. I’m commited to getting Rage and Origins this month.

    I played Chains on the PsP, never got around to Ghost, I heard it’s better though. Is it longer though? I always thought Chains ended too quickly.

  60. phranctoast:

    Almost twice as long.

  61. Roca.:

    You know what I noticed – GOW3 is not the best GOW game because there were so many missing from it that were trademarks for the franchise

    -Gaia – narrating the story
    -soundtrack – previous GOW theme songs
    -going back to previous location
    -Athena

  62. Roca.:

    Chains of Olympus took me 7 hours and some change.
    I’m 6 hours into Ghost of Spart and I’m on my way back to Atlantis.

    God of War 3 took me 14 hours to complete.

    All on Hard difficulty.

    @Phranc
    I don’t remember escaping a volcano lol.

  63. phranctoast:

    -no new game plus

  64. twilight:

    Phranctoast,
    I have to admit that I was suprised by the graphics of Gears Of War 3. The graphics are more polished then I expected them to be. This game is definetely the best looking Gears Of War game.

  65. oldschool1987:

    “This game is definetely the best looking Gears Of War game”

    I should hope so! I’ve never heard of a sequel looking worse than it’s predecessor.

  66. phranctoast:

    “I don’t remember escaping a volcano lol.”

    The whole place starts falling apart and your constantly climbing and jumping. You get blown out of the volcano Joe vs the Volcano style and land in Atlantis on your way to Crete.

  67. phranctoast:

    I also enjoyed it too. I just can’t see getting a 360 for that one franchise. Hopefully Epic gets with the program and makes in multiplat next gen.

  68. Roca.:

    @Phranc
    The part where you have to jump from wall to wall to avoid falling rocks?

  69. phranctoast:

    That and the sinking walls going into the lava. If you stay still too long you’re cooked.

  70. twilight:

    Oldschool,
    That dubious honor goes to Call Of Duty. Black Ops took a step back in graphics.
    I am definetely going to be getting Battlefield. I am really thinking about skipping Call Of Duty.

  71. oldschool1987:

    “That dubious honor goes to Call Of Duty. Black Ops took a step back in graphics”

    I stand corrected!

  72. phranctoast:

    yet I liked Black Ops campaign better than all the others.

  73. phranctoast:

    Congrats Black Ops. You made me hate Sympathy for the Devil.

  74. oldschool1987:

    Blops had a great campaign, the story was very well told but the graphics were definitely a back step.

  75. jojo29:

    CoD has always been known for its story, even being a bf fan, will admit CoD single player campaign absolutely spanks bf “story” if you can call it that lol

    Multiplayer though, CoD is like putting on training wheels on a tricycle….

    Going from CoD to BF, your gonna have,a rough time…welcome to real modern warefare in,the,battlefieldlol

    Going from BF to CoD is,like, shooting fish in a barrel ;) enjoy your high k/d r ;)

    At least thats what its like for me ;)

  76. CAD:

    Well Gears already did 3 Million for the first week. I only expect MW3 and BF3 to outdo it due to Multiplatform. Halo Anniversary should place 4th or 3rd and then there is everything else.

  77. Roca.:

    everyone is talking about games and CAD just come with some sales talk as if he’s making some kind of profit from the game’s sales

  78. CAD:

    So how else do you determine who wins battle of the shooters. The sales of a game speaks volums over whatever you think.

  79. oldschool1987:

    “So how else do you determine who wins battle of the shooters”

    Erm, review scores obviously. Sales means fuck all, I mean look atthe Twilight series for the perfect example of sales out doing it’s reviews.

    Typical xbot spewing sales.

  80. twilight:

    Sales do matter. If a game is highly rated and it doesn’t sale well, then the game makers are not going to loose money by making a sequel title or another similar title so it does effect gamers. It’s nice to get high review scores . However, I gurantee you that the majority of game makers would rather make money from game sales then have a highly reviewed game that doesn’t sale well. No business likes to loose money.

  81. Roca.:

    @Twilight
    “Sales do matter….I gurantee you that the majority of game makers would rather make money from game sales”

    we are not game developers and we don’t make any money. I rather spend my money on a highly review game.

  82. CAD:

    Review scores are an opinon. Sales are the determing factor, bottom line. We can bring up Duke Nukem which got a bad score but many people loved the game.

  83. Roca.:

    so based on Duke Nukem is better than ME2? Thanks for making sense CAD

  84. jojo29:

    CAD
    Yes we get that sales is a good thing, but ONLY good for determining the future of a franchise…..it does not represent the quality of the game….

    Pyschonaughts
    Beyond Good and Evil
    Mirrors Edge

    Are the most current exapples of what is wrong with our gamers of today….A lot of you sit here and bitch and complain, that we need more original, creative ip$ ( obviosuly this statement is,geared towards the dumb ass xfags mostly ) but when a game does come out like the above games, what does the idiot gamer of today,do? They pass it up to save money for the next Halo….

    Ive purposely singled out xfags simply because Sony is really the only company atm pushing new, innovative, creatice, award winning, genre defining, graphically best in genre, games…..

    Uncharted
    Resistance
    Modnation
    Littlebigplanet

    All new ips that turned into new franchises…..amd can only be found on a ps3 system…

    What new ips has MS brought…..

    So sales suck balls, its indicator of where the sheep go….because if we base best shooter on sales…..then we might as wel have harry potter on top, because those games fucking sell…..

    Best Shooter this year will go to Battlefield 3….easy
    Best Selling Shooter will go to CoD

    Which award reflects the actual game…..thought so….peace out, gonna sneak me a drink on my lunch ;)

  85. twilight:

    Roca,
    If the highly rated games don’t sale well, then your choices of buying only highly rated games and new franchises could become limited. The bottom line is money talks and everything else walks. Regardless of how most Ps3 people feel about sales, sales do matter in the long run.

  86. CaptBirdman:

    Two words Twilight:

    Mass Effect.

    Example of a game that sold relatively poorly, yet is a critical success, and now we have a second sequel.

    Sales only matter to shareholders and the folks behind the scenes. I never understood why gamers would even think about something as arbitrary as sales, when it almost never concerns them. Play the games, and shut up about sales has been my motto.

    Let the greedy money hungry corporations cry about sales, and just play.

  87. Roca.:

    sales matters little to me.

  88. oldschool1987:

    Good example Bird. Proof that sales mean fuck all to the gamer, it’s used as a fanboy excuse.

  89. phranctoast:

    I guess this is CAD’s way of saying GT5 is better than all the Forzas.

  90. Roca.:

    if a game is good sales will come in the long run. Look at LBP and Heavy Rain and Uncharted for example.

    Mass Effect is another great example of a great game with not so great sales.

  91. twilight:

    Mass Effect 1 ended up selling over 2 million copies and it was not even available on the Ps3. This is not poor sales for a new I.p.

  92. CON:

    Dave

    Who were the culprits for voting Halo 4? Name and shame.

    You should slip in GT6 against Forza 4 in the next poll, I have no doubt GT6 would win on blorge.

  93. Roca.:

    ME2 sold way less than Duken Nuken Forever…but based your logic, DKF is a better game

  94. CaptBirdman:

    “Mass Effect 1 ended up selling over 2 million copies and it was not even available on the Ps3.”

    That’s just it; it “ended up” only selling roughly 2 million copies– Considering Mass Effect 1 was on 360 and PC, and the game is now 5 1/2 years old, it should be well over the 3-4 million mark, especially taking into account the spike ME1 sales reportedly incurred from the PS3 release of ME2.

    Comparatively speaking, Gears of War sold over three million copies in just ten weeks, and was a new IP.

    Your theory holds no water here Twilight.

    To gamers. sales mean nil, and certain games just don’t sell that well, regardless of how good it is.

  95. MAK:

    @Dave

    I enjoyed the article very much. Its the fact that you showed some personality. You didnt act like a god damn robot. So keep it up. Its alse hilarious because you can say anything in your article and us readers cant do anything about it.
    Though I must admit, I told you that youd start losing your mind from lack of PS3. Youre basically cutting off oxygen to your brain lol.

    @Twilight

    Black Ops was the best selling shooter of all time.
    Consumer buys Black Ops because of sales instead of reviews.
    Consumer plays game.
    Consumer gets poop- Bad graphics, bad gameplay, bad UI, P2P servers, decent story mode.
    Consumer wasted 60 dollars when he/she could have gotten a game with great reviews.

    What are you trying to prove? Just spit it out.
    Sales are important to developers
    Reviews are important to gamers

    As a developer, its THEIR JOB to try to sell it to you as best as they can. They do that by bragging about their game. Having Perfect scores and awards helps very significantly.

    If you apply for college, its your job to try to sell yourself to that college. Youre supposed to brag about all your achievements as a student. They will love that and it earns you a spot in a college. Colleges want to pick the best students so their own college gets represented well. So that they have a higher grad rate.
    COLLEGES GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT HOW MUCH PEOPLE LIKED YOU AS IT DOESNT DEFINE YOUR QUALITY AS A STUDENT.

    GAMERS GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT SALES AS IT DOESNT DEFINE THE GAMES QUALITY AS A GAME.

    Sales is not our concern and is so stupid to make it a determining factor of a games quality. Its not important to us at all unless youre a follower who follows the crowd.

    Im not trolling in anyway, btw. Just giving a good example that will make everyone understand.

  96. twilight:

    Regardless of how long this game was out, two million units of sales is still a decent amount of sales for a new I.p. There are games that have been out a shorter and longer time then this game who still don’t sale as much as this game. Sales do matter. A good example of this is Ps3 game sales. Why do you think the game developers brushed off making games for Ps3? Simple. The high cost of developing games for Ps3 in relation to the game makers return profit was not worth it for game developers. On the other hand, game makers were making a profit off Xbox360 games. Once the sales of Ps3 games went up, more developers came on board with Ps3.

  97. CON:

    Back when mass effect 1 was releasd the xbox had a much smaller user base of 8 to 10 million. Percentage wise 2 million sales would have been considered very good back then.

    Capt

    Your point about the game picking up sales over such a long period is correct in theory but if it is bought it will most likely be bought second hand as you can buy this game for pennies.

  98. CaptBirdman:

    “Back when mass effect 1 was releasd the xbox had a much smaller user base of 8 to 10 million. Percentage wise 2 million sales would have been considered very good back then.”

    Well Twilight’s point was that since it was a new ip and sold roughly two million (the correct number is roughly 1.8 million) it should be considered a “success”, sales wise. Mass Effect 1 and Gears 1 came out in November 2007 and November 2006 respectively. Both were obviously new ips, yet Gears sold more in 10 weeks than Mass Effect did in 4 years (corrected myself from 5 1/2 years in my post above). Both games were critically acclaimed, so there shouldn’t be that much of a discrepancy in sales. What you’re saying about the install base is true, however Gears vastly outperformed Mass Effect in sales, yet Mass Effect 3 is due in 5 months, effectively proving my point that sales do not matter to gamers. We (the relatively small amount of people who bought the game) demanded a sequel, just as the fanbase of KOTOR did (another poor selling, yet stellar game).

    Also you have to realize that Bioware released Mass Effect 1 for the PC in May 2008, effectively widening the install base from 8-10 million consoles to 8-10 million consoles AND over 80 million PCs. So I’m saying that, yeah, 2 million sold within an install base of 90 million is poor.

  99. Roca.:

    Halo 3 was release during the same year as Mass Effect and it sold 6x as much

  100. CaptBirdman:

    @Roca

    That’s a good point, but Twilight was pointing out new ips. Halo was established 2 games prior, and already had a fanbase. Still though, Halo does kind of point out that even with the relatively small install base, games that are well received *should* sell well, but it isn’t always the case.

    Mass Effect was just one of those hidden gems… I’m glad that it’s now getting the respect and recognition that it deserves.

  101. The Future of Sega:

    Quality games make more than 2 million dollars in sales. That’s why people buy them. ;-)

  102. CarlB:

    “I call bullshit on your C2 claim because every single comparison article had these 2 games neck and neck with each other with such small differences between them.”

    Digital Foundry’s Face-Off concurs, and concluded 360 maintains “the cleaner, crisper experience”:

    “On balance, 360 has the edge in terms of visuals and general performance, but PS3 more than holds its own, bettering the Microsoft platform in some areas.”

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-crysis2-face-off?page=3

  103. oldschool1987:

    “Digital Foundry’s Face-Off concurs”

    Lens of Truth does not concur.

  104. CarlB:

    Lens of Truth also concurs 360 has a frame rate advantage.

  105. oldschool1987:

    Most sites concur the Ps3 has no AA whatsoever and better visuals(very slightly better, unnoticeable near enough).

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