Kinect 2 shaping up to be killer app
Kinect is fun. Kinect 2 could be frighteningly good. So much so that I suspect even us motion control naysayers will put down our controllers and embrace it.
The term ‘killer app’ is passed around liberally these days. And most of the time it isn’t all that accurate. One game or one peripheral does not generally make or break a console. However, I’m starting to think Kinect could be key to the success of Microsoft’s next console, which will likely be an Xbox something something and arrive at some point between the end of 2012 and the end of 2015. Yeah, I’m full of inside knowledge, me.
Kinect on the Xbox 360 is genius, but it’s flawed genius. It isn’t accurate enough, and there just hasn’t been the range of games made available for it that would have seen it go from party sideshow to mainstream headliner. A huge number of people can see the potential though. Not least Microsoft, who will no doubt be busy ironing out the wrinkles in order to release an updated version of the device with (or likely inside) the successor to the Xbox 360.
According to an unnamed source speaking to Eurogamer, that is the situation exactly. He or she claims that the voice recognition and motion sensing capabilities will be so vastly improved in Kinect 2 that its powers will scare people. Kinect 2 could, for example, read lips, track facial expressions to determine emotions, and know where each player is, which direction they’re facing, and who is around them. Like a mini Big Brother sitting quietly in the corner of your front room observing you and your behavior. Scary but brilliant at the same time.
The problem we have here is perfectly illustrated by my second paragraph. We don’t know quite what Microsoft has planned or when it has it planned for in terms of next-gen hardware. And until we do we won’t know whether the Kinect 2 is going to be a killer app or not. Or whether there even will be a Kinect 2. I have a strong feeling there will be and that it will be amazing.
All we’ll then need is some great games which utilize the technology to the nth degree and we could be in business.
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November 30th, 2011
Oh no Dave, what have you done!!!!???
November 30th, 2011
“Kinect 2 could, for example, read lips”.
This is way cool. So next time I see some fucking hipster douche (looking at you CON & CAD) playing Kinect at a store, I can say “fucking blow-up and die”…it’ll do it???
November 30th, 2011
“(or likely inside) the successor to the Xbox 360.”
I don’t see this this happening. Cameras and sensors can be incorporated into laptops, and Kinect is supposed to be available for PC’s soon, but I don’t see it getting into a small enough form factor anytime soon. Besides, even the Wii’s sensor bar is still kept separate from the system in order to be placed appropriately. Building it into a console just doesn’t make sense, and would require too much room if you are talking as soon as next gen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diy7rkWkDtU&feature=player_embedded
November 30th, 2011
I think “killer app” means the games aren’t total shit.
Based on Kinect 1, that’s obviously not going to happen.
I can see it now, Kinectimlas 2: Now with better bear touching, Michael Jackson 2: Now with more inappropriate touching, Just Dance 4: Now with more effeminate dancing.
December 1st, 2011
This isn’t the first time we’ve heard all of the grandiose claims that Kinect will usher in the age of minority report, space ships, and flying cars.
Most likely M$ will use it to hock Windows 8. Since the OS is based on touch, they’ll try to leverage it as an interface to navigate through the pains for non touch screen users.
Sure they’ll be more shovelware games for the 360 that will use it, but that’s about all you can expect.
Don’t buy into the M$ hype machine. If you’re going to spend $100+ for a controller, you should expect to be able to use it for more than 1 or 2 games.
December 1st, 2011
Cool, As i mentioned before Kinect obviously was the test bed, We’ll see how Kinect 2 shapes up, i’d like to see:
- Better response time
- no lag
- “CORE” games…
December 1st, 2011
Kinectimals and Sesame Street appeals to kids, Dance Central to women, etc. Gears of War, Forza, Halo, Fable, and XBL games along with 80 favorably reviewed multiplats this year to everyone else. Kinect is already successful for it’s target demographic the one year it has been on the market.
Kinect 2 will have a wider appeal because it will have enhanced capabilities, though I believe traditional control will still be king for the core games regardless. This is mainly because of cost to develop, sales incentive with them already being outnumbered out of the box for traditional control, and finally the exponential momentum traditional control already has in comparison to motion sensing.
If anything, it’s potential killer app will first be as a universal voice/gesture/face recognition remote. If they can get that down accurately and responsively, then I think it will sell even better than this Kinect has.
Even more responsive and widespread supplemental features than those seen in games like Halo CE Anniversary now should follow, then finally more responsive unique core games built from the ground up for Kinect 2. It still won’t be a replacement for the traditional controller next gen in most core games, but neither will any other motion sensing device.
December 1st, 2011
I still think they should port over games like Chaos Rings and Infinity Blade:
http://wireless.ign.com/articles/121/1213605p1.html
December 1st, 2011
Have any of you seen the new trailer for steel battalion. They are using a mix of kinect and controller, looks good.
December 1st, 2011
Unfortunately, the only people that hated M$ and Bill Gates more than Steve Jobs were his employees, probably nowhere more evident than after he helped bail out Apple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxOp5mBY9IY
December 1st, 2011
Hype, Hype, Hype Grandstanding Hype
From 8 million in 2 months down to 2 million only in 10 months later. I wonder what that tells about a product?
No word of mouth?
Saturation my arse!
Given 10 million Kinects sold against 57 million XBOX 3shitty, still ain’t your definition of saturation.
Half a billion marketing budget down the drain.
December 1st, 2011
Dave, maybe you mean “Killed Hype”
For the benefit of the doubt Kinect, as Microsuck claimed, sold 8 million units for two months during the holiday season of 2010 with $500,000 marketing hype budget.
And then what?
1 year later it only sold an additional 2 M!
1 year later it only sold an additional 2 M!
You call that the future of gaming? Such grandstanding claims M$ is know for. M$ is known for smokes & mirror’s propaganda so are their sales figures.
And what about the PS Move? At 9 million, its 1 million units away from tagging Kinect’s hyped- to-the-max ass!
http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/playstation-move-sales-catching-up-to-kinect-1043099
How is Kinect doing in Japan?
http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/29/kinects-first-year-japanese-sales-are-disappointingly-low/
Japan will always be the cradle of video games, not America. There is an old saying in the video game industry for consoles that has held true for decades that I hope Microsuck prove that saying wrong.
“Win Japan and you win the world.”
If Microsuck way of doing business had its way over all the games industry, then we are all going to be screwed & our wallets sucked dry.
December 1st, 2011
I’ll stick to my controller thanks.
December 1st, 2011
“2 million only in 10 months”
Lol @ “only”. Don’t forget to add the 3/4 million just last week.
December 1st, 2011
LOL & LMAO
Got to love the PS3 fanboys on this.
Oldi
“I’ll stick to my controller thanks.”
You do that. Kinect is not for you. .MS is not making joy ride and Kinect adventures & Kinectimales for you, it’s for kids and casuals.
What you call shovelware is some of the best kids games available.
If you had kids and watched them playing Kinect you would see why it has a place in gaming.
As it is, you’re such fanboys. you’re incapable of admitting the device shits on the competition at what it does.
What has Move got that is designed for Move, and can’t be done better with a standard controller.
Carnival games? yeah LMAO
MS innovates a new gaming interface, and the PS3 fanboys can’t stand it.
Pathetic.
December 1st, 2011
aw godless
This proves that your poor ole lil kinect failed to “kinect” with lots of gamers like you wanted to.
“2 million only in 10 months”
Lol @ “only”. Don’t forget to add the 3/4 million just last week.”
That means Kinect does not sell with out any big budget holiday hype. While the PS Move move 5 million units around the same time Kinect connected just 2M.
December 1st, 2011
I want to see a Kinectimals game that focuses on beavers. Who doesn’t love beavers?
December 1st, 2011
“Kinect 2 could, for example, read lips”
Move 2 could read your balls.
anyways, I remember MS promised many thing for Kinect but it couldn’t deliver. Things like tracking fingers, face recognition, object scanning/recognition, voice recognition (not voice control/navigation), minority report navigation, 1:1 tracking (LMAO), MILO, etc
are you guys going to get fooled by MS again? I know Godless will.
“MS innovates a new gaming interface”
yeah by doing the extact same thing EyeToy did years ago – hands free Motion based gaming.
December 1st, 2011
@Roca
“Move 2 could read your balls.”
Move already reads balls.
December 1st, 2011
I was talking about other balls
That’s how much more advanced the Move 2 will be.
December 1st, 2011
Nutsacking ftw
December 1st, 2011
Gunstar
lets just see who sells more games based around the devices. my guess is that MS have already sold more kinect games than will ever be bought for Move.
December 1st, 2011
Roca
If PS3 can do motion tracking with the eyetoy. Why did child of Eden not utilise this, as it’s by far the best way to play this game?
Roca, it’s pretty clear you’ve never actually seen kinect in action or you wouldn’t talk such nonsense.
Give me a couple of examples where eyetoy has proper motion tracking games, and not just webcam style bullshit like we had on the PC 15 years ago.
Last time you were asked this you gave the kung fu game as an example of motion tracking, and I asked you to go read up on what motion tracking was. LMAO you need to do a little better than that this time
December 1st, 2011
Godless
you sound desperate defending Kinect.
December 1st, 2011
@Roca
So Move 2 will bring teabagging to whole new level? lol
December 1st, 2011
“as it’s by far the best way to play this game?”
is it? says who?
Rez HD on the 360 is pretty much the same game as Child of Eden and it got a 89 review score.
Godless – “Give me a couple of examples where eyetoy has proper motion tracking games”
all move games are motion tracked…idiot.
December 1st, 2011
@Godless
Here’s what Kung Fu Live developers have to say:
“We also found ourselves in the middle of the rising motion gaming discussion as many of the stories call out that our game already does what Natal is trying for: Kung-Fu Live uses full-body skeleton tracking to track the player’s moves in real-time. Thus, people have been saying that our game and tech using the PlayStation Eye is stealing the thunder from Natal. LOL!”
December 1st, 2011
Godless,
For those people who are into motion controls, the Kinect is a decent device for what it does.
December 1st, 2011
As for vioce recognition. LMAO
Roca, the console can interpret what your saying and carry out the instruction, That’s voice recognition.
What the hell is it you’re looking for?
As for the minority report browsing, Kinect is half way there, again, because you’ve never seen it in action you don’t have a clue do you?
In a few days a new patch will bring full kinect dashboard control to the xbox, so you’ll be able to walk into the room, tell the xbox to play DVD, then pause, and restart playback all by vice or gesture.
How are Sony getting on with that, seeing as they have superior hardware, should be a doddle yeah?. .LOL
December 1st, 2011
Should a killer app at least be an app such as software and not new tech. It’s kind of dumb. PS4 is the new killer app. Come on.
Ny girl was over the other day and suckered me into watching Michael jackson themed x factor. one of the commercials was a different type of Kinect commercial showing how the PC applies tech and what they wish to do with it in the future. It looked cool like Minority report would look cool.
My girls friend who she’s been over her house a lot for school as she’s using her son as a teaching assignment for college has Kinect. Even her.. a casual to gaming in the greatest sense of the word took one look at the Dance central 2 commercial and laughed and said. It really does not work the way you think it would. Unresponsive. *note. she did not use the word lag as she does not know that word.*
Made me LOL.
December 1st, 2011
Roca
Stop it. .LOL. . the kung fu game is not motion tracking. .talk about devs talking shite
Have you seen it. .LOL. . full body motion tracking. .don’t make me laugh so much.
the game generates a cut out 2 D sprite based on your position. .it has very limited comprehension as to your actual movements
You are honestly putting this game up against what Kinect can do. . .that’s just pathetic .
December 1st, 2011
http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/113/1139562p1.html
Sweet review, demonstrating the power of eyetoy and kung fu rider LMAO
December 1st, 2011
The Kinect is considered to be the most innovative device. It has won awards. The Kinect won gadget of the year.
December 1st, 2011
“As for the minority report browsing, Kinect is half way there, again, because you’ve never seen it in action you don’t have a clue do you?”
I think Move is already there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V_eoiz0YL0
You are always short on facts…stop getting owned by your own comments.
Kinect can’t even control its own Wii-Like UI properly, you have to leave your hands in the air hovering an icon for a few seconds…Everything is laggy about Kinect.
The new Kinect UI is pretty much what the Move can do with the XMB (minus voice control, which is a software based tech)…
December 1st, 2011
@Godless
-So what is Kung-fu and how did the game come about?
A lot of our background is connected with virtual reality and new human computer interfaces and we wanted to bring some of that to gaming.
We set up a company in 2006 and started doing our first game, which was a virtual air guitar game where you put the player in front a huge virtual crowd, it was like a karaoke game.
We sold that project and it hasn’t come out and probably won’t but this game, Kung Fu Live, is going to come out.
It’s our second game, but the first to come out, it uses proprietary computer vision technology so the PlayStation 3′s Eye camera can be used, it does background removal and skeleton tracking so it knows what’s your hand and what’s your leg, it’s basically an intuitive way to whoop ass in front of the character.
As a camera game it’s a little more hardcore than most, there’s quite a bit of gameplay depth so it’s not just flailing around, that won’t work on some of the harder difficulty levels.
-Can you tell us a little bit more about some of the technology and how it works?
Yes, it’s our own technology that we researched; we have five computer vision doctorates in our company who have been developing it from the University projects.
It’s a crap load of different technologies put together and a few really smart algorithms that let us do the skeleton tracking and background removal.
-Judging from the technology it looks like the PS3 is capable of creating experiences similar to Kinect.
That’s what has caught a lot of attention online, we’re a small company but since this is the year of motion gaming we’re pretty much standing in the middle of it by bringing the same kind of functionality to the PlayStation.
-Do you think it’s fair to say that Kinect isn’t too far ahead of what you’re already doing on PS3?
Yes, we’re doing a similar type of skeletal tracking and we are using a normal 2D camera, whereas Kinect has a depth camera, but the result is the same.
It’s a hard question to answer, it’s similar technology but obviously the hardware is different.
Sorry Godless, but you keep getting owned by not basing your comments on FACTS.
December 1st, 2011
Roca
“Yes, we’re doing a similar type of skeletal tracking and we are using a normal 2D camera, whereas Kinect has a depth camera, but the result is the same.”
NO it’s bloody not. posted a link last week showing what kinect can do regarding full body tracking of two users pissing around trying to make the software fall over, read the many reviews of how poor that game is, and how it doesn’t do what they said it does.
the fact are roca, that the game is shit and doesn’t do motion tracking well at all.
you’re swallowing the devs bullshit like it’s facts.
December 1st, 2011
The fact is that no matter how shitty the game is, it does motion tracking.
You’re riding on the EyeToy hype, err I mean, Kinect hype like if it’s something that’s never been done before.
The Only difference between Kinect and EyeToy/PS Eye/Kung Fu Live is that Kinect does 3D tracking because it has infrared sensors for depth. Other than that, PSEye is technically superior in every way (resolution, frame rate, etc)
MS does know how to fool people. You’re the pefect example.
December 1st, 2011
I’ve never seen somebody so proud of a companies rip off device as you godless.
December 1st, 2011
proof of what a half a billion in marketing will do. You think people would remember that they lost interest in their wii in two weeks.
December 1st, 2011
LOL
Guys
Kinect is for kids, it has a load of great games that will keep kids entertained for month on end.
It has a few games that will keep adults entertained, probably for a few hours.
It is a tech in development, it is getting better all the time, and some of the newer games do look like they could have something.
I’m not being fooled by anything, I see kinect for what it is, and it has some good potential.
To say a webcam can compete with kinect, when the games clearly indicate that it can’t. it’s ridiculous.
again I will ask.
Why does Child of Eden not use the eyetoy for motion tracking, but instead uses Move?
It doesn’t get any simpler than tracking your hands, that’s why its all but lag free on the 360.
December 1st, 2011
months not month. LOL, dammed shitty keyboard constantly dropping letters.
December 1st, 2011
“It is a tech in development, it is getting better all the time, and some of the newer games do look like they could have something.”
I can agree with that. You probably would like the new Kinect commercial. The one that has nothing to do with gaming.
“Why does Child of Eden not use the eyetoy for motion tracking, but instead uses Move? ”
The game was likely designed for 3D motion and PSeye only detects 2D.
December 1st, 2011
Phranc
the reason most stopped using the Wii is because it didn’t do what they thought it could do. ie body tracking, once people realise it only tracks the Wii mote, and has no idea of what the player is doing, many of the games loose what little apple they had in the first place.
Great example, dance central. You can sit in a chair and shake the mote around and the game doesn’t have a clue you’r not dancing, with kinect you’ve got do do these games right, or kinect knows.
that’s the primary difference, Kinect delivers what people ignorantly thought the Wii could do. kinect offers a proper interactive game, in a way the others do not.
December 1st, 2011
Godless really sounds desperate defending Kinect.
is it because that’s all Microsoft have for the rest of this gen?
Godless – “To say a webcam can compete with kinect”
no one said that. But I’ll say that Kinect can’t comepete against Move or Wii in offering a better, deeper, flexible gaming experience. Games like Sorcery, Zelda, Metroid, Killzone, LBP are simply impossible on Kinect.
The best Kinect games are possible on Wii/Move
Dance, Child of Eden, Kinect Sports (based on your list)
December 1st, 2011
Is that why?
I assumed it was because they got caught up in the hype of the device, weren’t really gamers in any sense of the word to begin with. Sounds familiar to what MS is aiming for as a target audience.
anyway there’s two of these topics. So I’ll combine mu last post.
““Godless, why is okay for you to list hybrid (controller/Motion) for Kinect but not okay list them for Move?”
Good question.
especially considering the games that are the hybrid games for Move simply can’t be done on Kinect.
Does anyone honestly think the Star Wars game or even that POS Rise of Nightmares wouldn’t be worlds better with Move?”
http://gamer.blorge.com/2011/11/29/microsoft-biggest-sales-week-in-xbox-history-on-black-friday/
December 1st, 2011
Phranc
“The game was likely designed for 3D motion and PSeye only detects 2D.”
Child of Eden only tracks the position of your hand in 2D, open hand gesture for firing, “it does not need 3D for the purpose of the game”.
And here is the bit roca doesn’t get. you need 3D for the body tracking even if the game is 2D, eyetoy can’t track your arm as soon as your arm is in front of your body, it disappears, this is why they couldn’t do child of eden.
The simplest form of motion tracking is not possible, what chance have they with full body especially with people crossing in front of each other. it just can’t be done on anything other than something with the same tech as Kinect.
As for the Wii games, they look like shit, Kinect games, while being a little lame on the gameplay front, are often stunning to look at, kids are graphic whores too, it matters.
December 1st, 2011
Gents
Ultimately the Game sales will show us which devise as succeeded.
In a few years, we will see which tech, is still with us or has evolved, and which tech gets binned.
December 1st, 2011
Then it’s likely because they wanted to utilize the most accurate motion device on the market today…Move.
December 1st, 2011
@Godless
“And here is the bit roca doesn’t get”
and you don’t get that PS Eye can do 2D tracking. EyePet was released in Europe without the Move and it was all done via body tracking.
Some Move games can track your body or your head & Kung Fu Live does full body tracking.
Either way, Kinect offers the worse gaming experience between the 3 motion gaming devices. Kinect has turned IP with great potential into shit:
-Ryse of Nightmare would have been better with Move or Wii
-Forza is retarded with Kinect, Harry Potter is laggy as shit and on rails
-Star Wars in a mindless on rail game.
-Ryse, on rails again
-Fable, also on rails.
December 1st, 2011
We will see phranc,
I’ll go with Kinect evolving, slightly, to be faster and more precise.
December 1st, 2011
Everything evolves…not just Kinect
gosh you’re a fanboy.
December 1st, 2011
“I’ll go with Kinect evolving, slightly, to be faster and more precise.”
So you mean the next version of Kinect then?
December 1st, 2011
phranc, Well, yeah, I guess so
lets wait and see what Move evolves into roca.
December 1st, 2011
I said it before and I’ll say it again. Kinect needs a wand and sub controller. They should suck it up and release one already. Some games simply play better with a wand with buttons and the accuracy allowed with the accelerometer.
December 1st, 2011
“lets wait and see what Move evolves into roca”
Move will evolve as well. I wouldn’t be surprise if Move 2 (or whatever they call it) will be a Kinect/Move hybrid.
after all Sony owns the patent for motion based/body-traking gaming.
December 1st, 2011
@Godless
you’ve ignore Phranc’s question in two threads now.
December 1st, 2011
“I think Move is already there”
Well, yes, except for it doesn’t have voice recognition and the fact you have to be holding two ridiculous looking light up devices instead of hands free.
“obviously the hardware is different.”
obviously.
“Rez HD on the 360 is pretty much the same game as Child of Eden and it got a 89 review score.”
The similarities they share might have something to do with the fact that they were made by the same developer, and that Child of Eden is considered to be the spiritual successor to RezHD.
An MC score of 84 for the 360 version is still nothing to snuff at considering other games that received lower scores… Modnation Racers (82), Resistance 3 (83) {Resistance 2 scored 87, does that mean it’s “better”?}, Motorstorm Pacific Rift (82) {Motorstorm scored 84, does that mean it’s “better” as “pretty much the same game”?}, Echochrome (81), Heavenly Sword (79).
“You think people would remember that they lost interest in their wii in two weeks.”
Tell that to the people that are enjoying Skyward Sword or Xenoblade today, almost five years after the launch of Wii.
December 1st, 2011
I like how Godless got offended by my comment about sticking to the controller. Only an xbot would get offended by someone who don’t like Kinect. It’s personal preference, get over it.
As for it making the best kids games, well LBP scored higher than all Kinect games ever.
Don’t say it’s too hard to be a kids game, that’s bull. It’s easy enough that my gfs sister completed it.
And no more peado jokes you sick fuck, it’s not funny. I don’t care what you enjoy just don’t bring it here.
December 1st, 2011
“You’re riding on the EyeToy hype, err I mean, Kinect hype like if it’s something that’s never been done before.”
It was, back with the Activator, but that was even more crap than EyeToy, and none of them had the capabilities to recognize the body in 3D space without a controller that Kinect has. I’m not into dancing games, but I can admit that Dance Central I&II do look to be the most accurate and fun (for those that are into dance games – I’m picturing a scene from Scott Pilgrim here) in that genre.
You never saw anything as good as Child of Eden or Gunstringer on EyeToy, and I think that is because it just didn’t have the same capabilities or good enough responsiveness. You do see Child of Eden with Move, but again, that requires a physical controller.
December 1st, 2011
Wii > Kinect…. by A LOT!
Sure Kinect may be more tech advanced, but software will always out weight hardware.
Mario Galaxy 1 & 2
Zelda (2)
Metriod (3)
Kirby (2)
Smash
Mario Kart
Etc, etc, etc
Vs.
…. Um. Just Dance 2? Wait, that’s not exclusive. Well, I’m sure there’s at least 1 or 2 decent Kinect exclusives.
Also the Gunslinger doesn’t even look very good. If it was an XBL game without Kinect support, no one would notice it. But just because it’s mediocre, and supports Kinect, it’s now the Citizen Cane of video games.
o_O
December 1st, 2011
Oldie
“And no more peado jokes you sick fuck, it’s not funny. I don’t care what you enjoy just don’t bring it here.”
Jesus, that was an over sensitive reaction. . Wonder why?
Scores.. for LBP. lets get some 5 to 12 year olds to review the games after playing them for a day or so. before we make a call on that one. Sales alone tell me LBP is not as liked as many of the kinect games, and that’s with mostly adults playing LBP anyway.
Roca
I think the question you want me to answer is why I include Child of Eden when it has controller option.
Answer, because CoE is designed to be controller free. With a controller it plays worse, CoE is a controller free game, with a controller option shoehorned in, not the other way round like the PS3 games listed, which are controller based games with Move shoehorned in offering a poorer alternative to the standard controller.
subtle difference there
December 1st, 2011
Right, before roca accuses me of vanishing like he does every other day, I’m away home guys
Have a good one.
December 1st, 2011
Barnabe,
You do realize you are comparing a console that has been out for five years (made by a company that has been in the console gaming biz for almost three decades) to a peripheral that has been out for a just a year (made by a company that has been in the console gaming biz for just one decade- and this it’s first and only successful gen)?
Those games you mentioned are all based off of established, iconic characters that have been around for generations. The formulas used in those games have been honed over years, and in some cases decades.
Dance Central is exclusive and the leader of it’s genre. I don’t care for that genre but it’s there all the same. Gunstringer looks good for an entirely new IP on a new peripheral that does not use any handheld controller whatsoever. It gets noticed because of this, and that seems reasonable to me.
December 1st, 2011
Sales!?
LMFAO!!!!
No, no we’ll use the quality side of things which is review scores. Metacritic scores of LBP over any Kinect game ever.
You get loads of 5-12 year olds to review the game otherwise we’ll go by what’s obvious: LBP is aimed at kids with its kiddish graphics, simple plat forming, sackboy ffs!
And you made a peado joke. Peado jokes are not and never will be funny. Sick.
December 1st, 2011
““You think people would remember that they lost interest in their wii in two weeks.”
Tell that to the people that are enjoying Skyward Sword or Xenoblade today, almost five years after the launch of Wii.”
“Is that why?
I assumed it was because they got caught up in the hype of the device, weren’t really gamers in any sense of the word to begin with. Sounds familiar to what MS is aiming for as a target audience.”
December 1st, 2011
@Godless
that’s not the question Phranc asked you.
You avoided the question (in two threads) and decided to run away again..LMAO
LBP distroys every single Kinect games…over 5 millions level, great multiplayer fun (impossible on Kinect), and much more.
idk why you keep bring sales into this, LBP has sold well and sales does not equal quality…
LBP is a GOTY caliber game. Kinect games are just shovelware…I will buy a Wii ($150) which offer better motion gaming and a better and bigger lineup intead of Kinect ($150) with its mindless “Wii too” games and all of its gaming limitations.
December 1st, 2011
I like the hour long child of eden game being compared to real titles. That cracks me the fuck up.
December 1st, 2011
“I assumed it was because they got caught up in the hype of the device, weren’t really gamers in any sense of the word to begin with.”
Yes. That must have been it, because no “real gamers” grew up with Mario, Zelda, or Metroid. My mistake.
“I like the hour long child of eden game being compared to real titles. That cracks me the fuck up.”
I don’t think RezHD was much longer. To be fair, the game is said to take at least 90 minutes. Someone here made the point awhile back about how length of the game shouldn’t be considered a factor when reviewing it… can’t remember who.
December 1st, 2011
I take it both you and Roca own Kinect and have played these titles through to 100% completion?
December 1st, 2011
I take it you own Kinect and have played these titles through to 100% completion?
December 1st, 2011
I think Carl would be way more likely to even play a game on Kinect than Roca.
Roca would have to stop masturbating with the move controller in his ass first.
December 1st, 2011
What are you talking about FahKin..?
I don’t defend the Move at all. I’ve been saying that the best package for motion gaming is still the Wii.
December 1st, 2011
“I don’t think RezHD was much longer. To be fair, the game is said to take at least 90 minutes. Someone here made the point awhile back about how length of the game shouldn’t be considered a factor when reviewing it… can’t remember who.”
60 minutes/90 minutes. Still too short for anything that’s a full priced title at launch. If anything, they would be best compared to PSN or XBLA games.
I also wouldn’t pay $40/$60 for Space Ace, Dragons Lair, or Dragons Lair 2.
December 1st, 2011
I asked first roca
“I don’t defend the Move at all.”
Okay. So you think Move isn’t any better at games than Kinect. Very well.
“Still too short for anything that’s a full priced title at launch”
There are a ton of games on Wii and all consoles priced the same or even $20 more at launch that I wouldn’t even spend the time on, let alone the money (see Pimp My Ride or XMen: Destiny). I’d rather have a good short gaming experience for my money than a bad long one (Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga anyone?).
But don’t get me wrong, I would rent rather than buy Child of Eden (this is where the time part comes in), as I do most games (including UC, inFamous, MGS, etc.) that interest me which have generally favorable reviews.
December 2nd, 2011
@Carl
did you finish R&C?
December 2nd, 2011
No, Skyrim sucked me in before I got a chance (I’m a sucker for RPG’s)… I’ll get back to it… if I ever get tired of slaying dragons and stealing their powers.
December 2nd, 2011
Should bugs and other technical issues be enough to not allow Skyrim to get GOTY this year?
Saw this on neogaf and was kind of an interesting topic.
Is Skyrim great enough for people to ignore that and where should you draw the line?
SOCOM confrontations poor reviews were mostly due to technical server issues rather than the game itself.
December 2nd, 2011
If the game was broken I’d say yes, but I haven’t been having those issues. I think for games of this size and scope some glitches are bound to appear, because of the hundreds to thousands or more combinations of ways to play it with everything that is committed to memory in the file. These issues won’t help it for sure, but neither should they bar it from GotY, the overall experience is just that rewarding.
December 2nd, 2011
“If the game was broken I’d say yes, but I haven’t been having those issues.”
I read it happens when the save file size is over a certain size. I also heard the patch equally hurts the game. Maybe your file size isn’t there yet….?
anyway…..
Even Uncharted 3 can make an argument. There’s people that really did struggle with the aiming. I was one of them. You get used to it, but getting used to mediocre aiming is just a way around. Now there’s a patch, but some people memories of the game can simply stem from not being able to aim on the diagonal angle. Should that memory kill GOTY chances.
Like Skyrim, the game isn’t broken, even though the things I’ve been reading about it almost makes it seems like it is.
December 2nd, 2011
GOTY nominees are:
Uncharted 3
Portal 2
Batman: AC
Skyrim
ALL great games, they all deserve GOTY.
but Skyrim seems like it’s going to get it this year because the western media goes crazy for anything open world.
December 2nd, 2011
Hey
I must try UC3 again, now that it’s been patched, It’ll be interesting to see if it plays more like UC2 now.
I felt the aiming was a little different, though not a game spoiler, just something that took a bit of getting used to, where UC2 felt right from the start.
If it feels better, I might have a play through on a harder difficulty.
December 2nd, 2011
“Maybe your file size isn’t there yet….?”
Yes, it’s said to be 7MB, and I went over that last week…
“Should that memory kill GOTY chances.”
No, I don’t think so, but like Skyrim’s problems, it won’t help it.
“Skyrim seems like it’s going to get it this year because the western media goes crazy for anything open world.”
Maybe, but I think it has more to do with the fact that it’s just an awesome game overall. Western media is just as crazy around cinematic experiences such as UC3 and major franchise experiences such as Batman.
December 2nd, 2011
Open World/Sandbox are mixed bag for me.
I appreciate the work put into the game, but I get tired of how boring they are to travel in. I feel they artificially inflate the game time on areas you already traversed.
As a preference I’d take a well written/scripted linear path type game over them anytime.
December 2nd, 2011
Playing Deus Ex now… that game is awesome. It’s like if Metal Gear, and Mass Effect 2 had a baby.
Not my GOTY, but really good.
December 2nd, 2011
“I get tired of how boring they are to travel in.”
That’s what fast travel is for.
December 3rd, 2011
I’m not big on fast travel! Skyrim is a game that begs to be wandered in, you’ll always come across another quest or cave if you wander to your next destination.
December 3rd, 2011
“I get tired of how boring they are to travel in”
I see that as a plus for Open World games, as long as the world you’re traversing is interesting. RDR’s world was beautiful, with ‘random encounters’ to keep things lively. For me, freerunning in AC never gets old, likewise in Infamous. Hell, the best part (read: only good part) of the Spiderman game I had on PS2 was the web-swinging around New York inbetween the missions.
December 3rd, 2011
“I’m not big on fast travel! Skyrim is a game that begs to be wandered in, you’ll always come across another quest or cave if you wander to your next destination’
@oldschool
Very true, but once you have maxed the map you will be thankful for the feature! Skyrim is massive, I love the on foot exploring!