Spike VGA wrap-up: the winners, Command & Conquer and Metal Gear Rising made by new studios

December 11, 2011

Spike VGAs: Command and Conquer and Metal Gear Rising made by new studios  In addition to the reveal of The Last Of Us, other studios made some big announcements at the Spike VGAs tonight. Bioware and Epic Games were present to unveil their new projects as well.

Bioware dropped a new trailer for Mass Effect 3 and its pretty epic. The studio also revealed that Bioware will be taking over development duties of the next Command and Conquer game. This development will be handled by newly created Bioware Victory, and the game will be running on Frostbite 2.

Command and Conquer: Generals 2 will be releasing exclusively for the PC in 2013.

*Note: Video streaming issues may be due to heavy load on Gametrailers.com

 

Epic Game’s also revealed a new game at the show called Fortnite. As the name implies, its about building a fort to fend off zombies and monsters that go bump in the night. This game is no doubt inspired by Minecraft’s gameplay mechanics where you must build a fort before monsters start spawn during night time.

One of the biggest stories to come out of the Spike VGA show was around Kojima’s reveal of the new relaunch of Metal Gear Rising – or Revengeance. The new version of the game will be developed by Platinum Games, the developers behind AAA titles: MadWorld, Bayonetta and Vanquish. Two top notch studios, Kojima Productions and Platinum Games partnering up sounds like a match made in heaven.

 

With Metal Gear Revengeance outsourced to Platinum Games, it makes you wonder what Kojima Studios is currently working on.

 

To wrap up the Spike VGAs nicely, here are all of the winners from today’s show:

GAME OF THE YEAR The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
STUDIO OF THE YEAR The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
CHARACTER OF THE YEAR The Joker – Batman: Arkham City
VIDEO GAME HALL OF FAME AWARD "The Legend of Zelda"
GAMER GOD AWARD Blizzard Entertainment
BEST XBOX 360 GAME Batman: Arkham City
BEST PS3 GAME Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception
BEST Wii GAME The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
BEST PC GAME Portal 2
BEST HANDHELD/MOBILE GAME Super Mario 3D Land
BEST SHOOTER Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
BEST ACTION ADVENTURE GAME Batman: Arkham City
BEST RPG The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
BEST MULTI-PLAYER Portal 2
BEST INDIVIDUAL SPORTS GAME Fight Night Champion
BEST TEAM SPORTS GAME NBA 2K12
BEST DRIVING GAME Forza Motorsport 4
BEST FIGHTING GAME Mortal Kombat
BEST MOTION GAME The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
BEST INDEPENDENT GAME Minecraft
BEST ADAPTED VIDEO GAME Batman: Arkham City
BEST SONG IN A GAME "Build that Wall (Zia’s Theme)" by Darren Korb – Bastion
BEST ORIGINAL SCORE Bastion
BEST GRAPHICS Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception
BEST PERFORMANCE BY A HUMAN MALE Stephen Merchant as Wheatley – Portal 2
BEST PERFORMANCE BY A HUMAN FEMALE Ellen McLain as GLaDOS – Portal 2
BEST DOWNLOADABLE GAME Bastion
BEST DLC Portal 2 Peer Review
MOST ANTICIPATED GAME Mass Effect 3
GAMETRAILERS.COM TRAILER OF THE YEAR Assassin’s Creed: Revelations – E3 2011 Trailer

157 Responses to “Spike VGA wrap-up: the winners, Command & Conquer and Metal Gear Rising made by new studios”

  1. CaptBirdman:

    Best shooter ;)

  2. dans303:

    Best 360 game is multiplatform ;)

  3. oldschool1987:

    Best graphics :)

  4. FahKinSuPah:

    @Dans

    That is one thing that makes no sense what so ever. Best 360 game should have been Gears of War 3.

  5. FahKinSuPah:

    BTW

    Any of you guys update your PS3 with the last update and notice a new “warning” screen when you turn on your PS3?

    WTF is that all about and does anyone know if there is a way to turn it off?

    I’ve been a gamer since I was 2 (Atari 2600 in 84) and I full well know the “dangers” of playing video games, such as weight gain, lethargy, paleness of skin with reactions to sunlight, and possibility of seiures if you are susceptible to them.

  6. CarlB:

    I love it when I’m right ;)

  7. oldschool1987:

    If you mean you were right about Skyrim GOTY Carl then I called it first lol. It deserves it.

    Still need the “Investigate Bards College” glitch fixed because it’s in the way of a trophy. I’ll try what you suggested Carl and do some main quests but something tells me that ain’t it.

  8. Roca.:

    Best Graphics = Uncharted 3

    PS3 has won best graphics 4 years in a row now.

    BEST 360 game = Batman: Arkham City

    LMAO, the best game the 360 has to offer is available on PS3 as well.

  9. Roca.:

    I was disappointed with Bioware & Epic’s new IP.

    Meta Gear Rising: Revenge (new name) look so cheesy now lol.

  10. CaptBirdman:

    “Meta Gear Rising: Revenge (new name)”

    The trailer was called “Revengence”. The game is still ‘Rising’.

    And yeah I agree, it didn’t look like Metal Gear. But there was a RAY :)

    But Mass Effect 3′s trailer was the shit ;) Can’t wait until March

  11. Roca.:

    @Birdman
    it’s been renamed to Metal Gear Rising from Metal Gear Solid Rising

    http://www.destructoid.com/metal-gear-rising-renamed-now-developed-by-platinum-217636.phtml

  12. Roca.:

    “GameInformer also has the scoop on a brand new IP from BioWare that seems to be going after the Uncharted franchise”

    http://gamer.blorge.com/2011/11/08/biowares-new-uncharted-like-game-revealed-and-first-look-at-alan-wake-2/

    C&C: Generals 2 is nothing like Uncharted

  13. CaptBirdman:

    @Roca

    It’s never been called “Solid”.

    With the name ‘Solid’, the game always includes Solid Snake or his father/clone Naked Snake (Big Boss).

    I’m guessing you meant to say “it’s been renamed to Metal Gear Rising: Revengence”, and yes you’re right. Kojima has always had a penchant for weird names:

    Substance
    Subsistence

    So I guess ‘Revengence’ fits pretty well then, but it’s not a real word, just a conglomerate of revenge and vengeance.

    *Shrugs*

  14. CarlB:

    “If you mean you were right about Skyrim GOTY Carl then I called it first lol.”

    Oh hell no. Not even funny ;)

    http://gamer.blorge.com/2011/04/25/sony-rebuilding-servers-getting-close-to-bringing-psn-online/#comment-162121

  15. oldschool1987:

    “It’s never been called “Solid”.”

    I’m sure it was.

    @ Carl: didn’t realise you played the game back then. I meant since playing it AND playing Uncharted 3, another potential GOTY. Now I see UC3 winning a few GOTY awards but Skyrim will claim the majority.

  16. oldschool1987:

    E3 2010: Metal Gear Solid: Rising

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtM3PGyiQUc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    I’m glad they got rid of the Solid in the title though, it’s not a proper MGS game, it’s a spin off.

  17. Barnabe Jones:

    I’m not sure how to feel about Rising.

    I loved Bayonetta, but Platinum isn’t exactly known for great story telling.

    The ba tshit insane action looks pretty good, but chances are the story isn’t going to be good at all.

  18. Roca.:

    The game was called “Solid” before yesterday’s announcement.

    @BJ
    the trailer looks so cheesy. Typical over-the-top Japanese gameplay.

  19. CarlB:

    “didn’t realise you played the game back then”

    No. I just made an educated guess, like RDR last year. I also played a few hours of UC3, then went back to Skyrim.

    GTAV GotY 2012.

  20. dans303:

    “the trailer looks so cheesy. Typical over-the-top Japanese gameplay.”

    Pretty much what I thought too.

  21. Barnabe Jones:

    This reminds me a lot of Metroid: Other M.

    Nintendo outsourced the game to Team Ninja, who is also known for tight action, but shit story telling, and characters. The game play was fun, but the story SUCKED.

  22. oldschool1987:

    “GTAV GotY 2012.”

    Pmsl! If GTA sticks to its 2012 release date then you’re right unless Rockstar royally fuck up. They need to do one set in England ffs! I mean they’re British games man, ain’t had one here since the London add on during the PS1 days.

  23. oldschool1987:

    For Bird:

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/em2urf

    Kojima on Twitter saying why they got rid if the “Solid”.

  24. CarlB:

    British humor is more… unique.
    Not saying it would be a bad thing, just… well, I think Americans are more easier to laugh at(pitiful?) in general. The Brits, from those I’ve met in and out of country, for the most part, are better educated… more subdued and dignified in comparison to the American masses (I think we set a fairly low bar there). Especially the poor and lower class.

    When I think of a British GTA today something like Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels comes to mind, but the general public in such a game wouldn’t be nearly as universally laughed as Americans… I think. But I am clearly biased here.

  25. phranctoast:

    I think Bioshock Infinite has the best chance of GOTY 2012 award.

    Games have to really reinvent themselves making me believe like uncharted 3 this year, Mass Effect 3, and GTA5 won’t stand a chance.

    It would be nice to see it go to a new IP, like Kingdoms of Alumar, or The Last of US, or even a reinvented IP such as Tomb Raider or Twisted Metal.

    Maybe even Starhawk. A third person shooter with RtS elements has never been done as far as I know.

  26. Roca.:

    Bioshock Infinite & Mass Effect 3 are good picks.

    But both of those games are being released early next year and as we all know…games released during the first 5 months of the year tend to get overlooked by voters.

    Mass Effect 2 is a perfect example.

  27. Roca.:

    “the trailer looks so cheesy. Typical over-the-top Japanese gameplay.”

    Dans303 – “Pretty much what I thought too”

    BJ – “This reminds me a lot of Metroid: Other M.

    Nintendo outsourced the game to Team Ninja, who is also known for tight action, but shit story telling, and characters. The game play was fun, but the story SUCKED”

    Kojima also got rid of the “Solid” titles and removed “Rising” out of the MGS storyline so Platinum Games can create their own story and not change the flow of the MGS series. Now the game is a spin off.

    All this comes 3 years after the game’s first announcement.

  28. twilight:

    Best Xbox360 game Batman…What? Gears Of War 3 should have won this award. Call Of Duty best shooter–well, at least the shooting is smooth. Congratulations to UC3 and Nba2k12 as well. Nba2k12 is an awesome game.

  29. oldschool1987:

    @ Carl: I think if you want a good example of British humour try Only Foolf and Horse, it might be hard to understand because of some of the cockney slang used but probably the best example or Blackadder and Father Ted.

    I don’t think British are harder to laugh, if I’m honest I always thought the Americans were a harder audience lol. Perfect example is Ricky Gervais at the Golden Globes, America was disgusted but people here thought it was the funniest thing ever (“Ashton Kutchers dad, BRUCE WILLIS!” lmfao!). Now America is using a lot of our comedy program’s like The Office, Shameless, I heard they’re trying to adapt Misfits and The IT Crowd. I remember when they tried to do Red Dwarf and Men Behaving Badly.

    I think it’s funny how we both though each others country are a harder crowd to make laugh, must be just our perceptions but I think they’re about the same.

    You forget that all the GTA games are British humour. Sam Houser is English and all the games are made in Scotland. When they do do English characters they do them well and funny, Kent Paul comes to mind lol.

  30. oldschool1987:

    Only Fools and Horses*

  31. Barnabe Jones:

    I had my doubts after seeing first Rising trailer at E3, but it does look a lot better than the new one.

    Seems like the first trailer was made with MGS4′s engine, and the new one is done with Vanquish’s. Also the in game action looks a lot more cartoony.

  32. twilight:

    Microsoft will be getting most of my money from this point out this generation. I returned my Harry Potter bundle and got the Fable/Halo Reach 250 gig Xbox360 bundle and a bunch of Xbox360 games. I got a $60 gift card back with the system purchase which was cool. I actually even got the Kinect as well because it was on sale for $67 along with Just Dance 3.

  33. Roca.:

    *bipolar disorder*

  34. oldschool1987:

    Oh Twilight.

    Lmfao

  35. Roca.:

    @BJ

    Apparently, Metal Gear ‘Solid’: Rising was cancelled and that’s why we haven’t anything about it for the last 2 years.

    then Platinum Games decided to take over, changed the story and the concept (and probably the graphics) of the game.

    That’s when “Metal Gear Rising:
    Revengence” was born.

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/12/metal-gear-rising-was-secretly-canceled-before-platinum-took-it/

  36. ncaissie:

    “But both of those games are being released early next year and as we all know…games released during the first 5 months of the year tend to get overlooked by voters.
    Mass Effect 2 is a perfect example.”

    GOW 3!

  37. ncaissie:

    “*bipolar disorder*”
    “Oh Twilight.
    Lmfao”

    LMFAO

  38. twilight:

    For those of you don’t mind dying over and over, Roca’s favorite game Dark Souls is on sale this week for $39.99. at BB. Batman Arkham Asylum $39.99 new at Eb.
    I picked up Saints Row 3 for $39.99 during last week’s sale. This is one crazy, super over the top game.

  39. CarlB:

    @phranc,

    Mass Effect is a great series, and I personally like it. The problem with it and other sci-fi games is that the environments, characters, and their story tend to be to sterile in comparison to other genres. That’s not to say “bad”, just not as colorful in my opinion.

    BioShock Infinite looks to fix this to a great degree, however, seeing some of the same enemy characters from the old games, along with their hyperized actions, seemed to degrade whatever emotions they are trying to evoke with the story.

    I don’t think games have to reinvent themselves in order to win GotY, and I believe Skyrim is a perfect example of this. The foundation is still the same, it just has more of everything, with a few new distinctions that affect everything. Where it went right in winning GotY is in it’s scope, size, attention to detail (regardless of bugs), and freedom to do what you please with so many variables in between.

    I know you don’t like this phranc, but I think top quality open world games are the standard for GotY games as opposed to linear format games (see RDR last year, GTAIV 2008, Oblivion 2006, San Andreas 2004), and why GTAV, if it does release next year, will be GotY. Mass Effect 3 and Infinite are runners up IMO, in that order respectively.

    In other news, religious people get upset because they don’t know the original versions of the songs they sing:

    http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/12/oh-lord-ken-levine-didnt-remove-religious-lyrics-from-bioshock-infinite-trailer.ars

    @os,

    I’m not talking comedians, who created the games, or as an audience, but the crowds of people represented in a videogame that almost everyone in the world can laugh at the most. This is a compliment to the Brits and a bit of an insult to Americans, but I just think Americans are a much easier source of comedic wealth, because they can be the most absurd herd in general.

    Whether it be consumerism (let’s pepper spray that person to get what we want on Black Friday), religion, crime, pop culture, narcissism, or perversion, I think Americans have the greatest spread and are an easier target for everyone in the world to laugh at.

    In other words, I don’t think a British version of South Park would be as funny or have as wide appeal, but am more than happy to be proven wrong in the future.

  40. oldschool1987:

    “In other words, I don’t think a British version of South Park would be as funny or have as wide appeal, but am more than happy to be proven wrong in the future.”

    You definitely have a point. I agree American humor is better, South Park, Simpons, Scrubs and The American Office are the greatest comedies of our time. I just remember America being offended by Ricky Gervais and your stand ups don’t seem as funny to me. I have not laughed once at Chris Rock, his jokes are too safe to me. I like close to the knuckle humor. Frankie Boyle, Jimmy Carr, Gervais are brilliant at stand up. Lee Evans as well but he’s more family friendly then the others.

  41. CarlB:

    “Mass Effect 2 is a perfect example.”

    No. RDR was released in May, and it won. ME2 was one of only four nominees, and RDR was by far the better game overall. Halo Reach and CoDBO released September and November respectively, so they would have much better chances of winning by your reasoning. Even so, are you saying you wouldn’t have voted for God of War III instead?

  42. oldschool1987:

    Thinking about it, British sitcoms this day and age are shit. They’re too forced, the humor is aimed at grannies. This is obviously a result of PC do-gooders complaining about any joke that could be taken the wrong way.

    Look up a comedy called Love Thy Neighbour. Brilliant in its time, now banned over her due to do-gooders. We ain’t had a good comedy from here since Gervais and Simon Peggy.

  43. Roca.:

    You Brits are just not that funny ;)

  44. oldschool1987:

    Pmsl not anymore they’re not. Well the people in charge of what program’s can or can not be made are not funny.

  45. ncaissie:

    @carl
    Specially down south!

  46. ncaissie:

    Who is Ricky Gervais ?

  47. Roca.:

    The only funny one was Mr. Bean/Jhonny English ;)

  48. ncaissie:

    I didn’t find bean funny.

  49. Barnabe Jones:

    The 2 guys from Paul, Hot Fuzz, and Shaun of the Dead are funny.

  50. Barnabe Jones:

    oh and Run Fat Boy Run.

  51. CarlB:

    “I have not laughed once at Chris Rock”

    Try Dave Chappelle instead. Dane Cook, George Carlin, and Louis CK are much better also.

    “America being offended by Ricky Gervais”

    BS hype.
    Carlin was doing that long before he ever did, and they were so “offended” at the Golden Globes they kept on inviting Gervais back.

    When did you ever get the idea that “America” was offended by Gervais? A small fraction of old conservative people that would get offended by almost anything don’t count. I put them in the Jack Thompson category, and as such not even close to a significant representative majority. Really good comedians will always offend some portion of the population, it’s what they do.

  52. CarlB:

    Gervais makes the Golden Globes a roast more than an awards ceremony. I think Americans in general love it, and the opportunity to see these millionaire/billionaire actors and actresses get trimmed down. Of course, not all the people being made fun of on a broadcast before the entire world are going to particularly enjoy it as much. Not exactly unexpected stuff there.

  53. oldschool1987:

    Ok Cark chill out America is better.

  54. Roca.:

    ^ lol

  55. Barnabe Jones:

    On the topic of humor, Tosh.0 is easily the funniest show on tv at the moment. :D

    Workaholics, and South Park are pretty great also.

  56. twilight:

    I am not a person that laughs very easily. However, I do love South Park. I haven’t seen many British shows but I discovered the British shows Are You Being Served and Keeping Up Appearances when I was channel surfacing on t.v. one night. I love these shows. I never watched Shaun Of The Dead because I am not all that much into zombie movies but I did like Hot Fuzz. I am in the process of watching Paul. As far as comedians go, I can’t really think of any stand up comedian that makes me laugh.

  57. CarlB:

    And don’t you forget it OS.
    But if you do we’ll remind you.

    *Continues playing GotY on Japanese console and TV*

  58. oldschool1987:

    *Continues playing GotY on Japanese console and TV*

    Lol ditto

  59. phranctoast:

    I like Jim Jeffries, but I think he’s an Aussie. I find Chris Rock funnier than Chappelle but I may really be thinking of his earlier stuff. I have been getting impatient lately with racially based comedians.

  60. dans303:

    I like Gervais’ work on the The Golden Globes and An Idiot Abroad (hilarious show btw, love Karl Pilkington. Do you watch it Oldschool?) but I’m not very keen on his stand-up work.

    My favourite stand-ups are Dara O’Briain, Rhod Gilbert and Ross Noble. From what I’ve seen of him George Carlin is pretty good. I like it far more when the comic interacts with the crowd and improvises as oppose to just coming on stage and just reeling off a number of jokes.

    Dara O’Briain does this very well while Ross Noble talks about pretty much all random stuff that he thinks up on the spot.

  61. dans303:

    Rich Hall is funny too:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vmg9e785lo

  62. phranctoast:

    “I know you don’t like this phranc, but I think top quality open world games are the standard for GotY games as opposed to linear format games (see RDR last year, GTAIV 2008, Oblivion 2006, San Andreas 2004), and why GTAV, if it does release next year, will be GotY. Mass Effect 3 and Infinite are runners up IMO, in that order respectively.”

    Well. I disagree. I noticed you left out the games that won GOTY if they didn’t meet your criteria. So far it’s 5-4 in favor of open world games at the Spike VGA’s. They also represent the worst of the worst when talking about VGA’s. My favorite being he AIAS awards, where at no point did an open world game win GOTY, unless you count Zelda OAT in 97′. Theses awards also go back a bit further than the 2003 Spike VGA’s.

    “No. RDR was released in May, and it won. ME2 was one of only four nominees, and RDR was by far the better game overall. Halo Reach and CoDBO released September and November respectively, so they would have much better chances of winning by your reasoning. Even so, are you saying you wouldn’t have voted for God of War III instead?”

    So the exception is now the rule?
    Using the Spike VGA awards, there were only two times where a games released in the first five months won GOTY. Oblivion and RDR. The other 7…7 out of 9 fall in favor of what Roca said………

  63. FahKinSuPah:

    @Roca

    “The only funny one was Mr. Bean/Jhonny English”

    I heard a sequal to Johnny English is in the works. That movie was pretty funny. Rowan Atkinson is funny as shit.

    @BJ

    “On the topic of humor, Tosh.0 is easily the funniest show on tv at the moment.”

    Fuck that… I stopped watching Tosh.0 when I realized he was following and copying Ray William Johnson from YouTube.

    RE: Ricky Gervais

    He is a fucking funny comedian. His spots in GTA4 had me cracking up.

    Another comedian from over seas that is funny as shit is Eddie Izzard, and he has a big fanbase here in the US. A few years ago he came here and my best friend and I saw his show.

  64. Barnabe Jones:

    Huh, I’ll have to check out Ray William Johnson now…

  65. oldschool1987:

    @ Fahk: Johnny English Reborn came out about 2 months ago man. I didn’t like the 1st one so I haven’t seen the 2nd.

  66. Roca.:

    Phranc – “Well. I disagree. I noticed you left out the games that won GOTY if they didn’t meet your criteria. So far it’s 5-4 in favor of open world games at the Spike VGA’s. They also represent the worst of the worst when talking about VGA’s. My favorite being he AIAS awards, where at no point did an open world game win GOTY, unless you count Zelda OAT in 97?. Theses awards also go back a bit further than the 2003 Spike VGA’s

    So the exception is now the rule?
    Using the Spike VGA awards, there were only two times where a games released in the first five months won GOTY. Oblivion and RDR. The other 7…7 out of 9 fall in favor of what Roca said………”

    agreed.

    VGAs tend to favor popularity and tries hard to give at least one award to every game..The AIAS awards favors arts, design, technical achivements and won’t think twice to give a shit load of awards to the same game (i.e LBP x8, Uncharted 2 x10)

    Also they don’t care about popularity and that’s why you see many niche games being nominated for many awards (R&C)

  67. FahKinSuPah:

    @oldschool

    I’ve been so far behind on movies this year that I had no idea that the 2nd Johnny Englush movie already came out.

    There was way too many movies that came out this year and I didn’t get to see any of them.

    I really want to see Sherlock Holmes : A Game of Shadows that comes out this weekend but I probably wont even get to see that.

  68. Roca.:

    @Phranc

    what do you think about the new Rising trailer?

  69. phranctoast:

    Looked good. Reminded me of a cross between Bayonetta and Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and I would have said that prior to even knowing Platinum game is behind it.

    Kojima productions has been getting pretty lucky with pushing Komami IP’s to competent third parties.

    I think Castlevania turned out great.

    Rising looks rather awesome. In a world where every other game is either open world, a FPS, or casual, it’s nice to see a badass looking action game.

  70. Roca.:

    idk, to me it looks like a senseless over-the-top hack-n-slash game…

    idk if you’re a fan of the MGS games but what we expect from a MGS game is epic and well written story, stratigic & tight gameplay.

    Looking at it from that perspective I lost all excitement for the game.

    I thought Castlevania was done in house?

  71. phranctoast:

    I never really thought it was going to be like the other MGS games. I figured it was going to be more action orientated.

    We’ll see on the story. Bayonetta’s story wasn’t too bad. Okami was pretty damn good.

    Castlevania LOS, was done by Mercury Steam.

  72. CarlB:

    “I noticed you left out the games that won GOTY if they didn’t meet your criteria.”

    I was talking about the last two years as a trend, and since 2003, whenever there was a high enough quality open world game, it took the award. When there wasn’t, something else filled in the gap. Point being, if there is a top quality open world game and top quality linear game nominated, I think the open world would win because of extra work it takes, and the extra gameplay a gamer gets out of the box. Just my take.

    “So the exception is now the rule?”

    He said it was the “perfect example” of “as we all know…games released during the first 5 months of the year tend to get overlooked by voters”, I was merely illustrating how it was not.

    Personally, I don’t think these particular games get “overlooked”, as they are nominated after all. That 2 game in the last 9 years actually won is a fairly good number, considering how many major games were actually released later in the year in comparison to earlier in the year. Remember how not that long ago there was always a major influx of games around the holidays and droughts earlier in the year?

    But let’s also look at what those two exceptions were of games that released earlier in the year and somehow were not “overlooked”… hmmm… Oblivion and RDR… interesting how that happened. :D

  73. CarlB:

    “they don’t care about popularity and that’s why you see many niche games being nominated for many awards”

    Of course. That’s why the gave Halo, Gears of War, Call of Duty, and Cod4 MW GotY. Half of their GotY’s for the past 14 years were shooters.

    But really, the differences are not that vast when it comes to recognizing quality overall for the year in the same games:

    RDR was GotY 2010 from Spike; won Action GotY, Outstanding Achievement in Art Direction, Game Play Engineering, Character Performance, and Game Direction for AIAS, and also nominated GotY, Outstanding Achievement in Animation, Sound Design, and Innovation in Gaming from AIAS.
    ME2 was GotY 2010 from AIAS, RPG GotY for Spike

    UC2 was GotY 2009 from Spike and AIAS

    LBP was GotY 2008 from AIAS, Studio and PS3 GotY for Spike
    GTAIV was GotY 2008 from Spike, nominated Action, Console, Outstanding Achievment in Story, and Overall GotY 2008 from AIAS

    Bioshock was GotY 2007 from Spike, nominated Computer, Action, Console GotY, Outstanding Achievement in Game Design; and won Outstanding Achievement in Art Direction, Original Music Composition, Sound Design, and Story Development
    CoD MW was GotY from AIAS, Shooter and Military GotY from Spike

    …and so on.

  74. CarlB:

    ^(Bioshock)…”nominated Computer, Action, Console GotY, Outstanding Achievement in Game Design; and won Outstanding Achievement in Art Direction, Original Music Composition, Sound Design, and Story Development”

    from AIAS

  75. phranctoast:

    “I was talking about the last two years as a trend, and since 2003, whenever there was a high enough quality open world game, it took the award”

    Hopefully that trend ends, and ends soon. I’m tired of everyone jacking off all over Open world games as if they are actually really good. Especially a new GTA game. Come on now. Every things been done and done again by now. Do we hand over GOTY for name and hype alone? I could appreciate the scope and overall work but traveling the levels are a killer. You can say ‘fast travel’ but you know as well as anyone that it’s BS. The games are still boring as fuck and a real drag to travel. It’s also the worst way to over inflate a games play time. Sure..it takes 30 hours. Well it wouldn’t if your missions didn’t consistently take place over the same terrain.

    In all honesty. I’m surprised Batman didn’t take GOTY, as IMO it meets the criteria more so than Skyrim.
    Changed from Linear to Open world-check
    Bigger actual change from it’s predecessor-check
    Highest Metacritic of the Year-check
    Buggy mess that digital foundry recorded a frame rate of 0 fps-……..

    “He said it was the “perfect example” of “as we all know…games released during the first 5 months of the year tend to get overlooked by voters”, I was merely illustrating how it was not.”

    More so than not. Apparently that appears to be a fact. It makes sense. The newer games are fresher in our memories. From a review standpoint ME2 deserved GOTY. Portal 2 if not for Batman. People tend to forget the earlier games. Right hear on Blorge, Dead Space 2 didn’t even get an honorable mention when meanwhile it has a better MC rating than 2 of the games listed for Multipltaform games. Early out, Easy to forget.

    Spike Awards suck. Every year there’s some problem one way or another. This year, I was upset that Portal 2 got male and female performance. If anything Cave Johnson was a lot better than Wheatley. I’d still put my vote in to Uncharted 3 for both though. You rarely find a best actor of actress in a movie get that for simply being a voice over. In U3 they literally had to act out motion control and voice. It’s more akin to real acting. In that respect I’d give them the nod for best performance.
    That’s just one category with an issue. There’s definitely many.

  76. CaptBirdman:

    Yeah, Uncharted was GoTY.

    Reason VGAs gave it to Skyrim were, yeah it’s a good game, but it has a much more wide appeal, because it’s on multiple consoles. It’s the same reason ME2 didn’t win over RDR in ’10. Popularity won in that case. No one was going to give it to Modern Warfare for obvious reasons, and frankly I’m surprised Batman didn’t win.

    And ME2 was better than RDR in every way, period.

  77. CaptBirdman:

    Hell, Mass Effect 2 is better than Skyrim in every way.

  78. Roca.:

    @Birdman
    “And ME2 was better than RDR in every way, period”

    agreed. I would’ve been happy if ME2 won GOTY of over GOW3 as well. ME2 is a master piece.

    @Phranc
    I’m pissed off at Batman: AC. The main story (excluding side missions) is actually shorter than B:AA and they story was not that good. Some of the villian appear of about 10 secs and then you never see them again.

    It has a ton of side missions, tho.
    Over 300 joker challenges alone..

    Don’t get me wrong the game is awesome but I was expecting more from the main canpaign, story related missions and villians. I beat the game and my saved file shows I’ve only completed ~30% of the game.

    “That’s just one category with an issue. There’s definitely many.”

    Portal 2 – Best multiplayer.

    Seriously? It’s a good co-op game but once you’re done with all the missions there is no reason to come back for more. BF3, COD4, Uncharted 3 and Gears 3 are better mp games

  79. phranctoast:

    “Seriously? It’s a good co-op game but once you’re done with all the missions there is no reason to come back for more. BF3, COD4, Uncharted 3 and Gears 3 are better mp game”

    I haven’t touched Portal 2 MP, but I can see how it could get the award from a technical POV. Not for actual replay value or time spent playing it in hours. The actual component of helping each other out in such a way that makes it different from spawn kill spawn kill that all other MP games inhabit.

    “And ME2 was better than RDR in every way, period.”

    I still haven’t played ME2 but I’ve seen articles and listened to people say ME2 is better than Uncharted 2 (as they released near each other and had same MC score). I can see without a doubt that Uncharted 2 is a shit load better than RDR. So …not too sure where RDR stands then. :)

  80. CaptBirdman:

    If you haven’t played Mass Effect 1 or 2 yet (not sure if you own a 360 or not), then do yourself a big favour and grab it for $20 new (PS3) at gamestop. It’s such a steal because you get all of the DLC that was released (except for ‘The Arrival’ and some (pointless) weapon packs).

    It has been my favourite series this gen, and 3rd fav series all time. It really is as good as people say. If you want a roughly 25-40 hour story (not including the 6 hours of DLC) with fantastic combat, and a primer for what is sure to be a GoTY contender in Mass Effect 3, I’d say $20 is more than fair for one of the best RPGs of all time.

  81. phranctoast:

    It’s there with a whole list of other games I still haven’t gotten to as well.

    $20….Can’t really beat that price.

    I’m playing catch up after Christmas. By then I should have some gift cards.

    It’s hard to ignore some sales though.

    Just got
    -Cabelas Dangerous Hunt 2011 w/gun
    -Hunted. Demos Forge
    -Quantum theory
    -Earth Defense Force Insect Armageddon

    For a total of $30. The first three will likely be gifts.

    Best Buy. posted link yesterday.

  82. CarlB:

    “I’m tired of everyone jacking off all over Open world games as if they are actually really good.”

    Sounds like me a few years ago when everyone was jacking off all over FPS/TPS games. Preference and opinion.

    “Apparently that appears to be a fact.”

    I would agree with you if both Oblivion and RDR had not blown that theory out of the water. Not did they release earlier, but they were also open world.

    “Spike Awards suck.”

    Say what you will, but AIAS nominations and awards back them up for the most part as illustrated above. I don’t care which awards ceremony you’re talking about, the probability that you may disagree with one out of 20 plus every year is sky high no matter who you are.

    “Reason VGAs gave it to Skyrim were, yeah it’s a good game, but it has a much more wide appeal, because it’s on multiple consoles.”

    Right. Same reason they gave UC2 GotY. Let’s revisit this discussion when AIAS doesn’t nominate Skyrim for any awards next year.

    “ME2 was better than RDR in every way, period…”

    Well, except for things like Art Direction, Game Play Engineering, Character Performance, and Game Direction… err… just IMO… and the AIAS.

    “Hell, Mass Effect 2 is better than Skyrim in every way.”

    I think part of this is because you may prefer sci-fi? And or it is a bit more linear than RDR? Have you even played Skyrim yet?

  83. CarlB:

    “one out of 20 plus every year”

    one or more out of 20 plus awards given within a particular ceremony.

  84. CaptBirdman:

    Hmm, there may be a bit of Sci-Fi bias there, won’t deny it.

    “Right. Same reason they gave UC2 GotY”

    How could anyone deny UC2 was GOTY 2009? I mean honestly? It was so far and away the “best” game out there that if they’d given it to anything else, there would have been an outcry. Arkham Asylum, Modern Warfare 2, Bayonetta and Killzone 2 all had a reasonable push for GOTY, but compared to UC2? Please.

    Almost everyone despises the VGAs. Most gamers these days watch for the entertainment and the trailers of new games. You seem to be one few people putting stock into them, and perhaps that is because they praised your favourite game. And myself personally, I wouldn’t trust your opinion of Skyrim, because you own it on PS3 and “Googling Skyrim PS3″ speaks for itself.

    “Well, except for things like Art Direction, Game Play Engineering, Character Performance, and Game Direction… err… just IMO… and the AIAS.”

    Character performance? Lol, you haven’t heard of Mark Meer, nor Jen Hale have you? (Awaiting your generic “yeah I have” after you google them)

    You’ll have your opinion. I’ll have mine.

    The kicker is though, that using your criterion (er.. reviews), Mass Effect blows Skyrim and RDR out the water.

  85. phranctoast:

    “I would agree with you if both Oblivion and RDR had not blown that theory out of the water. Not did they release earlier, but they were also open world.”

    Two games hardly blow away the theory that games tend to get overlooked when they release at the beginning of the year. Especially given the numbers of 2 out of 9.
    You can say it with me. Games that release at the beginning of the year tend to get overlooked. It’s a fact. Just look at the numbers, and stop thinking the exception is the rule.

    Most people tend to agree with the observation that Spike VGA’s suck. They also spread out the nominees to further what they already choose to be the winners. It’s pretty obvious.

  86. phranctoast:

    “How could anyone deny UC2 was GOTY 2009? I mean honestly? ”

    “Almost everyone despises the VGAs.”

    I guess as far as Spike VGA’s are concerned in this matter…..

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

  87. Roca.:

    “Almost everyone despises the VGAs. Most gamers these days watch for the entertainment and the trailers of new games”

    I couldn’t have said any better…this is so true

    When U2 won GOTY

    they were nominated for best action game and best adventure game (or something else) but they gave those to Batman and AC2

    if U2 is the best game of the year and it was also nominated for other categories that should’ve been an automatic win…it happens in AIAS all the time, U2 won 10 awards.

    VGA tries to spread out its awards as much as they can to please everyone.

  88. CaptBirdman:

    “VGA tries to spread out its awards as much as they can to please everyone.”

    Yeah this is my thought too. If the best 360 game was multi platform, how did an entirely different multi platform win GOTY? It clearly doesn’t make sense, and to respect Spike’s VGAs is simply ludicrous based on simple logic.

  89. Roca.:

    “Yeah this is my thought too. If the best 360 game was multi platform, how did an entirely different multi platform win GOTY? It clearly doesn’t make sense, and to respect Spike’s VGAs is simply ludicrous based on simple logic”

    LMAO – I didn’t think of that one..good one.

  90. CarlB:

    “You seem to be one few people putting stock into them”

    Even though it is backed up by reviews and other awards, I don’t “put stock” into it.

    “I wouldn’t trust your opinion of Skyrim, because you own it on PS3 and ‘Googling Skyrim PS3′ speaks for itself.”

    I’m not asking you to. Trust your own once you’ve actually played the game, otherwise reserve your judgment.

    If you hadn’t gotten upset and removed me from your friends list you would be able to see that I’ve already completed the main quest line and several others, with over 60% on the way to a plat. No “Googling Skyrim PS3″ necessary for me, but I can see how it would of more use to you.

    “you haven’t heard of Mark Meer, nor Jen Hale have you?”

    No, I haven’t, but I have heard the voice of Commander Shepherd when I maxed out both games achievements. My opinion just happens to coincide with AIAS. No biggie.

    “The kicker is though, that using your criterion (er.. reviews), Mass Effect blows Skyrim and RDR out the water.”

    My criterion is personal experience. If anyone else arguing here had actually played the game I would give their opinion more weight. Reviews and awards just happen to back mine up. By your own admission you like sci-fi more, so I can see where you are coming from. By his own admission, phranc generally prefers a more linear experience, so I can see where he is coming from.

    “er”… which reviews are you looking at which “blow” Skyrim out of the water?

    MC (PS3/360/PC)

    Mass Effect 2: 94/96/94
    Skyrim: 92/96/95
    RDR: 95/95

    I’m happily playing Skyrim on PS3 and have had little to none of the problems originally reported on the PS3 version, which in turn brought down the review on that particular version. The game itself is brilliant, and the kicker is, reviewers seem to agree.

    “Games that release at the beginning of the year tend to get overlooked. It’s a fact.”

    Actually no, it is not “a fact”. Were you there? Did you do a study on the actual voters or something to establish this “fact”? No, neither did I. It might have something to do with the actual quality of the game, or, color me crazy, the fact that most higher quality titles tend to release towards the end of the year to maximize profit. Just a hunch. Oblivion and RDR just happened to beat this odds because of their overall quality.

    Like I said, you may despise the VGA’s, but I’m fairly sure Skyrim is going to be nominated for at least one award from AIAS. We can revisit this discussion then.

    But seriously, you should at least play a significant fraction of the game before you decide it’s not worthy of GotY.

  91. CarlB:

    “…how it would of more use to you.”
    …be of more use to you.
    “to beat this odds”
    …these

  92. phranctoast:

    “Actually no, it is not “a fact”. ”

    How can you actually argue that? The numbers simply speak for themselves. 7 times instead of 2.

    High quality games also launch the first quarter.

  93. CaptBirdman:

    “Even though it is backed up by reviews and other awards, I don’t “put stock” into it.”

    Was this a complete sentence? Not sure what you’re trying to say there.

    “I’m not asking you to. Trust your own once you’ve actually played the game, otherwise reserve your judgment.”

    My girl has it on 360, and I’ve been playing it, and watching her play it because my PS3 died, thank you very much. I just bought a new 160gig, and I would have bought Skyrim but then I took an arrow to the knee ;)

    “If you hadn’t gotten upset and removed me from your friends list you would be able to see that I’ve already completed the main quest line”

    If you hadn’t been a racist pig son of a bitch, you’d still be there.

    “No “Googling Skyrim PS3? necessary for me, but I can see how it would of more use to you.”

    Comprehension fail? I clearly acknowledged you owned the game… I said I wouldn’t trust your opinion of the game because the PS3 version has got to be Bethesda’s worst release ever.

    ““er”… which reviews are you looking at which “blow” Skyrim out of the water?”

    You mean…the 70+ perfect reviews Mass Effect has accrued? Or the 13 GOTY awards it’s received (even more than RDR which has 10)

    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_the_Year

    Read that shit and weep.

  94. CarlB:

    And for the record, multiplatform RPG’s have never been as popular or mainstream here in the U.S. on consoles as action or shooter games. Not even close.

  95. CarlB:

    “How can you actually argue that?”

    Because we can’t be sure whether or not the actual voters are “overlooking” those games or simply judging them on overall quality. It’s a speculative opinion, not a fact.

    “High quality games also launch the first quarter.”

    True, but not nearly as many as what is released in the latter half of the year to exploit the holiday season.

    “Not sure what you’re trying to say there.”

    Sorry, I thought it was clear from this quote:

    “’You seem to be one few people putting stock into them’
    Even though it is backed up by reviews and other awards, I don’t “put stock” into it.”

    You said I seem to be putting stock into the VGA’s.
    I said I do not, even though reviews and other awards tend to back them up.

    “My girl has it on 360, and I’ve been playing it, and watching her play it”

    Sorry, but playing it every once in a while and watching someone else play it doesn’t count for this type of game. You need to play it from the beginning and develop your character over time watching the world develop and respond around you in order to truly appreciate it. I can understand if you are not willing to do that, especially if you do not really enjoy fantasy RPG’s do begin with.

    “If you hadn’t been a racist pig son of a bitch, you’d still be there.”

    Cap, please link to wherever you think I was being a “racist pig son of a bitch”. I’m sure the President and the Sgt Major wouldn’t have awarded me with appreciation letters if this was the case.

    “I said I wouldn’t trust your opinion of the game because the PS3 version has got to be Bethesda’s worst release ever.”

    I never argued that the PS3 version was not the worst version. I personally had one experience with a dragon flying backwards in game and one freeze last night. These are the only two real problems I’ve had with the game personally, and both of them occurred after I completed the main quest line. The overall game itself is still brilliant regardless of these hiccups.

    To be fair, if you can’t trust my opinion, you can still look towards the majority of reviewers critiques and realize they still have an aggregate of 92, and that before the game was patched.

    “You mean…the 70+ perfect reviews Mass Effect has accrued? Or the 13 GOTY awards it’s received (even more than RDR which has 10)”

    It’s called “aggregate” for a reason cap. Skyrim hasn’t been out long enough to accrue as many reviews. Give it a chance.

  96. CaptBirdman:

    “Sorry, but playing it every once in a while and watching someone else play it doesn’t count for this type of game”

    Blah blah blah. I don’t want to hear how I need to beat a game in order to chime in on it. Clearly the reviewers do not either, yet you “put stock” into what they have to say, always quoting or posting reviews. The PS3 reviews have not, for the most part, reflected how if you play for so long, the game save gets too large and it makes the game prone to crashing, glitches and lagging. If they did the review would be much lower, but hey I guess because they are reviewers we have to trust em right?

    :rolls eyes:

    “It’s called “aggregate” for a reason cap. Skyrim hasn’t been out long enough to accrue as many reviews. Give it a chance.”

    What the hell does that have to do with anything? You said:

    “““er”… which reviews are you looking at which “blow” Skyrim out of the water?””

    And I told you: the 70+ perfect scores that Mass Effect 2 has gotten, that Red Dead and Skyrim haven’t gotten COMBINED.

    Oh and it also has 13 GOTY awards.

    “Hence “blown out of the water.”

  97. CarlB:

    “If they did the review would be much lower”

    The reviews are much lower for the PS3 version. If you would have played it for a significant enough period of time, you would have realized that the crashes and lagging are not nearly as bad as what they are being hyped up to be, and that the patches have helped tremendously with whatever was there in the first place.

    “What the hell does that have to do with anything?”

    It has to do with the fact that Skyrim hasn’t been out nearly as long as Mass Effect 2 had been before it received all of it’s reviews and awards for its respective year, yet still has basically the same average review score with what has come out so far.

    Over half the awards Mass Effect received it didn’t get until it was closer to the AIAS awards, which wasn’t held until February the following year after released. It’s only mid-December now, and just over a month since it’s been released.

    You also mentioned RDR received 10 GotY’s and Mass Effect 2 received 13. That doesn’t seem like it was “blown out of the water” at all.

    “Hence” give it a chance.

    Like Batman wasn’t popular. Please.

  98. CaptBirdman:

    I see you would rather straw man, so I’ll leave this discussion. I tire of your bullshit antics.

  99. CarlB:

    Cap, it is just simple logic.

    You cannot make a fair comparison of total awards and reviews when one product has not even had the same chance the other has had to win the majority of them.

    “Hence” time is needed before said judgment can be fairly made.

    There is no “straw man” or “bullshit” about that, just reality.

    Good bye.

  100. CaptBirdman:

    “You cannot make a fair comparison of total awards and reviews when one product has not even had the same chance the other has had to win the majority of them.”

    RDR hasn’t been out the long?

    “simple logic.” my ass.

  101. CarlB:

    “And I told you: the 70+ perfect scores that Mass Effect 2 has gotten, that Red Dead and Skyrim haven’t gotten COMBINED.”

    Skyrim hasn’t been out that long. RDR wasn’t “blown out of the water” because it had 10 GotY awards as opposed to Mass Effect 2′s 13 according to you.

    But if you really wish to press the issue, there are now enough reviews out for the 360 version of Skyrim to make a fair comparison to Mass Effect 2′s.

    Skyrim has recieved 31 perfect review scores out of 86 critics.
    Mass Effect received 30 perfect review scores out of 98 critics.
    RDR has 25 with 96 critics.

    As you can see, Skyrim has 12 less total reviews yet still has one more perfect review score.
    So, no, it was not “blown out of the water” by Mass Effect 2′s reviews by an means.

  102. phranctoast:

    “Because we can’t be sure whether or not the actual voters are “overlooking” those games or simply judging them on overall quality. It’s a speculative opinion, not a fact.”

    Who they fuck said that was the fact? It’s a fact that more games get GOTY that release at the end of the year vs any other time. Games that release at the beginning of the year tend to get overlooked in GOTY awards. How can you remotely argue against that? They most certainly tend to get overlooked. It’s a rare instance that they don’t. Also Oblivion won less GOTY awards than Gears of War that year so it reinforces my point.
    You say it’s because the better games come out towards the end of the year. I say it’s because people remember what they most recently played. I’m not saying there’s no reason behind it, Just that it is simply that.

  103. Roca.:

    Uncharted 2 has received over 100 GOTY awards, 10 AIAS awards and it’s the most awarded game of all time

  104. CarlB:

    “Games that release at the beginning of the year tend to get overlooked in GOTY awards. How can you remotely argue against that?”

    Because it’s pretty damn hard to “overlook” a game when it is one of only five nominations for the entire year.

    Because the same type and quality of game (Elder Scrolls) previously won the same award early in the year, so release date had nothing to do with it.

    Because those same games one thinks on a whim are being overlooked because their opinion doesn’t happen to agree with the outcome are winning other awards.

    The main point here was Elder Scrolls only won it because it was released later in the year, which obviously was not the case with it’s predecessor.

    And yes, UC2 is another “perfect example” of how “better games come out towards the end of the year”.

    But if you are really of the opinion that Portal 2 (April 19 release) is truly leaps and bounds better than UC3 (Nov 1) and Batman AC (Oct 18) and was simply “overlooked” for GotY then fine. I’m not about to argue your opinion.

  105. phranctoast:

    Would Skyrim have a chance at GOTY if it was released early in the year?
    My guess. No.
    People would have actually complete the game before reviewing it, and came across more of the bugs. Spike VGA’s are a joke. Half the nominees aren’t out yet when the games are being nominated. What does that tell you?
    Also a majority of the GOTY awards from other sources that year didn’t even go to Oblivion reinforcing the mentality.

  106. CarlB:

    My guess. Yes.
    The majority of the reviews agree, in spite of the bugs that they mention within those reviews (these took place before the patches), and it’s already received more perfect review scores than Mass Effect 2, with less total reviews.

    The PS3 version does seem to be the inferior version and that is unfortunate. I’m still playing it after beating the main quest and have yet to come across any game breaking bugs. The game itself is still brilliant and worthy of GotY in my opinion.

  107. Roca.:

    Portal 2 great but not “leaps and bounds” better than U2 or Batman.

  108. CarlB:

    Also the majority of GotY awards in 2007 were spread across several games, not just one or two, so that reinforces nothing.

  109. CarlB:

    Do you consider Portal 2 to be better than U3 and Batman?

  110. Roca.:

    It’s a better puzzle game than Uncharted 3 & Batman

  111. phranctoast:

    “Do you consider Portal 2 to be better than U3 and Batman?”

    I would understand why Portal 2 or Batman could win over U3. U3 wasn’t all that much different than U2, where Batman, and Portal 2 were giant leaps over their predecessor. I personally don’t find the game/s better but the reasoning behind it would be more sound than a game by your own admission isn’t that much of a step up from Oblivion.

    “Also the majority of GotY awards in 2007 were spread across several games, not just one or two, so that reinforces nothing.”

    What game one the most GOTY awards in 2007? That will be the “majority”.

  112. CarlB:

    “I personally don’t find the game (Portal 2) better”

    Okay, so then you agree that games released later in the year were better. All I needed to know.

    “by your own admission isn’t that much of a step up from Oblivion.”

    I said it was of the same type and quality of game as Oblivion was for it’s time (i.e. GotY). Skyrim is much better than Oblivion.

    To be honest, I do not know how many total GotY awards there were in 2007 (if you do please share). I do know that all the games nominated had great reviews across the board, and if the GotY awards were spread across 8 games instead of just one or two, it means there was more competition, consideration, and division of judgment. I suppose it does reinforce the idea that most great games release towards the end of the year though.

    Games that won 2007 GotY:

    Call of Duty MW
    Bioshock
    Super Mario Galaxy
    Portal
    Oblivion
    The Orange Box
    Mass Effect
    Halo 3

  113. Roca.:

    Games that won it ’08 (off the top of my head)

    GTA4
    Fallout 3
    LBP
    MGS4
    Gears 2

    the open-world games won the most GOTY awards

  114. phranctoast:

    Oblivion was out on 2006. My mistake for copying the mistake.

  115. phranctoast:

    I checked. Twilight Princess took most as far as I can tell, gears second.

    Oblivion took only one GOTY award and that was from Spike.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_the_Year

  116. phranctoast:

    “I said it was of the same type and quality of game as Oblivion was for it’s time (i.e. GotY). Skyrim is much better than Oblivion. ”

    I said games need to reinvent themselves in order to get GOTY and you disagreed.

    In this respect I mean a big jump from game to game, not literally changing the entire structure.

    See
    LBP to LBP2
    Infamous to Infamous 2
    Uncharted to Uncharted 2
    Batman AA to Batman AC
    Motorstorm to Pacific Rift.
    UT2k3 to UT2K4
    Assassins Creed to AC2
    BF2 to BF3
    Bioshock1+2 to Bioshock Infinite
    COD2+3 to COD4MW
    Mass Effect 1 to Mass Effect 2.
    Fallout 2 to Fallout 3
    Half Life to Half Life 2

    If you feel The difference from Oblivion to Skyrim is up there with the rest of these games I’ve listed, then it appears we may agree that games need to reinvent themselves in order to win GOTY (this obviously pertains to sequels as the original point I disagreed with was GTA5 winning).

  117. CarlB:

    Actually, your link shows it won Games Magazine GotY as well.

    Wikipedia also reflects it won at least 3 GotY awards, 4 PC GotY awards (one from AIAS), and 10 RPG of the Year awards (one from AIAS).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_IV:_Oblivion#Reception

  118. CarlB:

    The actual definition of “reinvention” in this case would be “to remake or redo completely”, so I think that was just a poor choice of words on your part.

    Neither Elder Scrolls nor any of the game series you mentioned do this. They do “innovate”, or “introduce something new; make changes in anything established”.

    In other words, I think it’s common sense that for a sequel to win GotY it must improve significantly enough (innovate, not necessarily reinvent) over it’s predecessor.

  119. phranctoast:

    I could admit reinvent was a poor word choice.

    To make a long story short. I simply don’t feel they can do anything with GTA5 that will make it that much better than it’s predecessor or other open world games.

    Hell, GTA4 was a step down from GTASA as far as content.

  120. CarlB:

    How do you consider it to be a “step down”?

  121. CarlB:

    I think there is a ton more they can do in GTA and other open world games to make them better:

    -improve character development and AI, not only with the main character, but NPC’s and the crowds.
    -improve destruction and repair
    -improve graphics everywhere, facial animation, environments, etc.
    -improve accessibility to buildings and other areas within the environment
    -improve story
    -improve vehicle physics

    All those areas and more can be vastly improved in all games, not just open world ones.

  122. phranctoast:

    “How do you consider it to be a “step down”?”

    -No customization
    -Smaller World
    -No real estate ownership.
    -etc.

    There’s things that GTA5 can do that will make it better than GTA4, but those things are considered standard in the industry now and those things won’t be a boon for the series if applied.

    -Better gun fighting mechanic as the series is poor at best.
    -MISSION CHECKPOINTS!!!!

  123. CarlB:

    Fair enough. I would rather lose those things and have a better game overall, which I think GTAIV was, and can at the same time understand if you have a different opinion.

    I have to disagree in that I think those things will be a boon if applied properly.

  124. CaptBirdman:

    “Skyrim has recieved 31 perfect review scores out of 86 critics.
    Mass Effect received 30 perfect review scores out of 98 critics.
    RDR has 25 with 96 critics.”

    No. Mass Effect has over 70 perfect review scores.

    Again: hence, blown out of the water.

  125. CarlB:

    Read the entire quote cap:

    “there are now enough reviews out for the 360 version of Skyrim to make a fair comparison to Mass Effect 2?s.
    Skyrim has recieved 31 perfect review scores out of 86 critics.
    Mass Effect received 30 perfect review scores out of 98 critics.
    RDR has 25 with 96 critics.”

    Key words “360 version” cap.

    Once again: “hence” not “blown out of the water”.

  126. CaptBirdman:

    Oh that’s a nice tactic there. I’ll remember it’s fair to cherry pick when badly losing an argument.

  127. CarlB:

    No “cherry picking” here…

    Metacritic (PS3/360/PC):

    Mass Effect 2: 94/96/94
    Skyrim: 92/96/94

    …I simply don’t see anything that indicates it has been “blown out of the water” (which would reflect at least a 5 point spread, or even closer to 10, but certainly not 2 on only one platform), as it still holds what is considered to be a “universal acclaim” score on Metacritic, and the same score on all builds except the worst version, which has been patched.

    It has more perfect scores one platform (even though it has less reviews total), and less on the other two, but to be fair there are still reviews coming in for it.

  128. CarlB:

    Even so, by your criterion (total perfect review scores), GTA IV (93 total perfect scores) “blows” Mass Effect 2 (still only count 61 total perfect reviews on Metacritic, do you have your reference source link for the “70+” yet?) out of the water. Are you going to get behind that horse too?

    You also seem to have held Famitsu in high regard in the past as well since they gave Pokemon a perfect score:

    “Japanese magazine Famitsu gave Skyrim a score of 40/40, making it the first western video game to receive a perfect rating from them”

  129. CaptBirdman:

    “Even so, by your criterion (total perfect review scores), GTA IV (93 total perfect scores) “blows” Mass Effect 2…out of the water.”

    YET AGAIN you’re getting away from the point. This was never about GTA4 (as I personally do not have an opinion on the game. I barely played it, because I was much more wrapped up in Saint’s Row 2).

    The discussion was about why Skyrim and RDR won GOTY at Spike’s VGAs, and how, in those two years specifically, there were two games that really deserved to win (Uncharted 3 and Mass Effect 2 respectively). My statement was that using what you always use (reviews), Mass Effect 2 blew Red Dead out the water with a combination of 13 GOTY wins and 70 plus perfect reviews. I also stated that Mass Effect is better than RDR and Skyrim.

    “It has more perfect scores one platform”

    Who the bloody fuck cares? This isn’t about one platform, this is about the games themselves, platform doesn’t matter. You always do this stupid shit when you have nothing. You clearly needed to cherry pick data to prove a point when nobody was even talking about the platform. Signs of a loser to me.

    “(still only count 61 total perfect reviews on Metacritic, do you have your reference source link for the “70+” yet?)”

    Wait, is Metacritic your only source? You DO know not every review is put on MC, right? Oh wait, I don’t think you do…your knowledge is shortsighted and limited to what you can find on Google/Wiki/Metacritc. LMAO But here you go anyway old man:

    http://www.itz-gamer-reviews.com/Mass%20Effect%203%20Coming%20Soon/

    “Mass Effect 2 is the highest rated videogame of 2010 on Xbox 360, the PC and one of the highest rated pieces of entertainment overall according to metacritic . The three awards picked up at the Spike VGAs are the latest in an ongoing series of global recognition that includes “Ultimate Game of the Year” honours from The Golden Joysticks and over 35 other awards and over 70 other perfect review scores.”

    POW, right in the kisser.

  130. CaptBirdman:

    “A critical and commercial success, Mass Effect 2 shipped over two million copies worldwide in its first week of release, and has received universal critical acclaim. It is currently the third best reviewed game for Xbox 360 and the 14th best reviewed game of all time, according to GameRankings. The game holds over 70 perfect scores and has an average score of 96 for the Xbox 360 and 94 for the PC and PS3 on Metacritic.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect_2

    POW, right in the kisser.

  131. CaptBirdman:

    “A sequel to a popular RPG last year got 70 perfect reviews…”

    http://crimsongod91.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-2-PS3-Review-210966883

    How much more do you need motherfucker? I can go all day.

    Mass Effect 2 is better reviewed than both your games, and by that criteria (i.e. YOUR criteria) that makes Mass Effect 2 a better game. PERIOD.

  132. CaptBirdman:

    Perhaps you should read this again:

    “It is…the 14th best reviewed game of all time, according to GameRankings.”

    Where do Red Dead and Skyrim rank on that scale?

    25 and 19, respectively.

    http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html

    Get out of here with your bullshit.

  133. CarlB:

    “The discussion was about why Skyrim and RDR won GOTY at Spike’s VGAs, and how, in those two years specifically, there were two games that really deserved to win (Uncharted 3 and Mass Effect 2 respectively).”

    There are games every year that deserve to win, they are called nominations. That one game or the other wins from year is decided upon by the voters preferences of that particular year. Reviews happen to back them up, as is clearly the case with Skyrim.

    “You always do this stupid shit when you have nothing.”

    You brought up total perfect reviews (which I’ve never used before, just the Metacritic score as an indicator), not I, and now you want to ignore the fact that the sole platform with enough reviews to make a fair comparison actually had Skyrim beat out Mass Effect 2.

    “This isn’t about one platform, this is about the games themselves, platform doesn’t matter. You clearly needed to cherry pick data to prove a point when nobody was even talking about the platform.”

    This is why I was going with all three Metacritic scores. You are the one who decided to “cherry pick” and count perfect review scores in order to “prove” something, yet wound up proving nothing.

    “Wait, is Metacritic your only source? You DO know not every review is put on MC, right?”
    From your “source”
    “over 70 other perfect review scores.” (no references)

    Wait, is this your supposed “source”? It has no references as to where all of those those scores came from. You DO know that something simply stated on a fanpiece article isn’t fact, right? But maybe they used Wikipedia, because it seems to be the only “reference” that uses that number which is available.

    Oh, but wait, you did link to Wikipedia… did you happen to check the sources for that statement?
    Wow. Metacritic.

    I’m sure you could go all day to pieces that erroneously use misinformation without any references. You seem really good at it.

    “Get out of here with your bullshit.”

    I thought “this isn’t about one platform” or did you even check to see gamerankings only used the 360 version, like I already did, and even then is still shy at least 12 of the existing reviews already out?

    Even ignoring that, 95.66% with 73 reviews (ME2) compared to 95.12% with 66 reviews (Skyrim) is nowhere near blowing Skyrim “out of the water”. Especially when all of the reviews have yet to come out for it. It doesn’t even blow RDR “out of the water” (94.76% w/50 Reviews; i.e. less than half a percent difference).

    Perhaps you should follow your own advice?

  134. CarlB:

    So Mass Effect 2 has over 70 perfect reviews and 13 GotY awards?

    Skyrim has “well over 200 perfect review scores worldwide, earning the highest praise from some of the industry’s most influential critics including: USA Today, G4TV, The New York Times, GameSpy, Wired, Eurogamer, Destructoid, GamePro, Official Xbox Magazine, Joystiq, The Guardian, Famitsu and GamesRadar. G4TV describes Skyrim as ‘one of the greatest games ever’ and Eurogamer was one of many outlets to call it a ‘masterpiece.’

    Skyrim has already garnered over two dozen ‘Game of the Year’ awards from major outlets worldwide, including winning the top honor of Game of the Year at the 2011 Video Game Awards which are voted on by a panel of editors from the industry’s most respected magazines and websites. In addition, Skyrim has received ‘Game of the Year’ awards from numerous other game critics, which, to date include such respected media outlets as G4TV, Official Xbox Magazine and Machinima.com. Skyrim was named ‘Most -Played Game of 2011′ by Raptr, based on research data which confirms its highly popular gameplay experience.”

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/10-million-copies-of-game-of-the-year-winner-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-shipped-135703828.html

    …you were saying?

  135. CaptBirdman:

    “You brought up total perfect reviews (which I’ve never used before, just the Metacritic score as an indicator), not I, and now you want to ignore the fact that the sole platform with enough reviews to make a fair comparison actually had Skyrim beat out Mass Effect 2.”

    Need the definition of “cherry pick”?

    Lol…

    And I KNOW your old ass didn’t say “a fair comparison”.

    WOW.

    I mean really. Wow. You know the site that you are taking it up the arse from (you know, Metacritic) NEVER–and I mean NEVER– uses the same amount of reviews per platform for any 1 game? For example, the 360 version of Mass Effect 2 has 98 reviews from critics whilst the PS3 has 62 reviews. So what the fuck are you saying here? Fair comparison? Man PLEASE shut the hell up. Do us ALL a favour.

    “This is why I was going with all three Metacritic scores. You are the one who decided to “cherry pick” and count perfect review scores in order to “prove” something, yet wound up proving nothing.”

    No.

    I said Red Dead was blown out of the water, based on reviews, and you asked how. I said Mass Effect 2 had over 70 perfect reviews. You, AFTER I SAID THIS decided to use the scores for ONE platform to prove your “point”.

    You’re clearly the one who tried to use specific data to make a case, and I showed not only the Metacritic, but Gamerankings, sources that show it has over 70 perfect reviews, and all of Mass Effect 2′s GOTY WINS. PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW I’M THE CHERRY PICKER.

    “Wait, is this your supposed “source”? It has no references as to where all of those those scores came from. You DO know that something simply stated on a fanpiece article isn’t fact, right?”

    OK, would you like that number from Bioware themselves?? Here you go dumbass:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgYEggFfMDk

    Here’s a hint: 0:10

    “Oh, but wait, you did link to Wikipedia… did you happen to check the sources for that statement?
    Wow. Metacritic.”

    The fact that I find even more astonishing is that you said you couldn’t find where it had over 70+ perfect reviews– and you were USING Metacritic!
    Wow. Clearly shows how dishonest you are.

    “I thought “this isn’t about one platform” or did you even check to see gamerankings only used the 360 version, like I already did, and even then is still shy at least 12 of the existing reviews already out?”

    Not sure how it’s relevant. Gamerankings did that, and they did it for every game really. If condensed without regard to platform, it’s still higher than Red Dead and Skyrim. So– it doesn’t matter. I didn’t cherry pick anything. Wiki states it’s the 14th best of all time according to Gamerankings, and I showed you where Skyrim and Red Dead. You’d have a point if ANY VERSION of either game was higher than ME2, but guess what– they don’t and your point is MOOT.

    “Even ignoring that, 95.66% with 73 reviews (ME2) compared to 95.12% with 66 reviews (Skyrim) is nowhere near blowing Skyrim “out of the water”. Especially when all of the reviews have yet to come out for it. It doesn’t even blow RDR “out of the water” (94.76% w/50 Reviews; i.e. less than half a percent difference).”

    No.

    I told you, it’s a combination of all these factors that make ME2 blow both games out of the water. I don’t cherry pick; I give the broad view of everything, unless we’re dealing with my personal opinion. Try again, and keep trying harder. Fuking loser.

  136. CarlB:

    You must have missed this:

    “So Mass Effect 2 has over 70 perfect reviews and 13 GotY awards?

    Skyrim has ‘well over 200 perfect review scores worldwide, earning the highest praise from some of the industry’s most influential critics including: USA Today, G4TV, The New York Times, GameSpy, Wired, Eurogamer, Destructoid, GamePro, Official Xbox Magazine, Joystiq, The Guardian, Famitsu and GamesRadar. G4TV describes Skyrim as ‘one of the greatest games ever’ and Eurogamer was one of many outlets to call it a ‘masterpiece.’
    Skyrim has already garnered over two dozen ‘Game of the Year’ awards from major outlets worldwide, including winning the top honor of Game of the Year at the 2011 Video Game Awards which are voted on by a panel of editors from the industry’s most respected magazines and websites. In addition, Skyrim has received ‘Game of the Year’ awards from numerous other game critics, which, to date include such respected media outlets as G4TV, Official Xbox Magazine and Machinima.com. Skyrim was named ‘Most -Played Game of 2011? by Raptr, based on research data which confirms its highly popular gameplay experience.’
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/10-million-copies-of-game-of-the-year-winner-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-shipped-135703828.html
    …you were saying? ”

    I don’t even need to try, it’s way too easy.

  137. CaptBirdman:

    I did a bit of digging, and that claim comes from Bethesda and no other source. They had this to say:

    “To date, Skyrim has received well over 200 perfect review scores worldwide, earning the highest praise from some of the industry’s most influential critics including: USA Today, G4TV, The New York Times, GameSpy, Wired, Eurogamer, Destructoid, GamePro, Official Xbox Magazine, Joystiq, The Guardian, Famitsu and GamesRadar.”

    They also said that the word perfect “pertains to 10/10 scales.”

    source: http://n4g.com/news/906881/200-reviewers-say-skyrim-is-the-perfect-game

    Notice anything strange about that?

    G4TV
    Joystiq
    Gamespy
    and numerous others (yes, listed) use a 5/5 scale.

    That quote (which only comes from Bethesda, mind you) is erroneous and misleading at BEST. It’s clear misinformation, and I’ll bet anything that number comes from counting Xbox, PS3 and PC together. If you notice anything from the video, it should be that those 70+ perfect reviews come from the Xbox 360 version (perhaps even a few PC reviews together). It shouldn’t be that far of a stretch to say if those that gave the 360 version perfect scores were to review the PS3 version, then counting the PS3 would net over at least 140 perfect scores, seeing as how the PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 is seen as the superior version.

    Besides all that though, wasn’t the whole perfect review thing about Red Dead? I see you stopped beating that dead horse.

    One question though: are you still playing Red Dead?

    Ask me am I still playing Mass Effect ;)

  138. CaptBirdman:

    Even more to the point, I think you need to read the forums on the pages that say Bezzie got 200 perfect reviews lmfao.

    Best pic I’ve seen so far courtesy of 8th post.

    http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/skyrim-has-received-well-over-/1267487

  139. CaptBirdman:

    And (because this is bugging me) how is it you think Skyrim has come across not only 200 reviews, but 200 PERFECT reviews USING AN OUT-OF-TEN scale? Please, from memory list those 200 reviewers. I have a list of 59 reviewers (can’t find the other 11+) and 13 GOTY award givers for Mass Effect 2.

    Seems to me that Bezzie was counting user reviews or just letting anyone review the game because if not, that would make Skyrim the highest rated game of all time. Lol we both know that’s bullshit, especially considering the PS3 reviews have no business being near a 5, let alone a 10.

    I really would like to know who these 200 reviewers are; I’m willing to bet they’re mostly blogs that don’t really review games, just high profile ones, because there is no way Skyrim has more PERFECT reviews than Halo has ANY reviews.

    Think you’d better check your sources before you post them, old man.

  140. CarlB:

    Bethesda never said 10/10 scales only, your source link is the only one that mentioned a 10/10 scale at all. Read your source link: “According to Bethesda’s findings there have been some 200 perfect review scores which we’ll assume equals 10/10s, 5/5s and five star ratings.”

    And you are the one that started in with ME2 earning more perfect reviews than RDR and Skyrim combined:

    (me)”which reviews are you looking at which “blow” Skyrim out of the water?”
    (you)”70+ perfect scores that Mass Effect 2 has gotten, that Red Dead and Skyrim haven’t gotten COMBINED.”

    which obviously is not the case.

    “I really would like to know who these 200 reviewers are; I’m willing to bet they’re mostly blogs that don’t really review games”

    “over 200 perfect reviews worldwide”

    “USA Today, G4TV, The New York Times, GameSpy, Wired, Eurogamer, Destructoid, GamePro, Official Xbox Magazine, Joystiq, The Guardian, Famitsu and GamesRadar” to name a few.

    There are 196 countries in the world, so it’s not exactly an unbelievable number.

    Both Mass Effect 2 and Skyrim score 95% on Gamerankings, with 73 and 66 reviews respectively.

    Famitsu gave Mass Effect 2 34/40 and Skyrim 40/40 (the first western game to ever earn a perfect score from this publication in history), so it seems to have done well in Japan. As well as Spain, Australia, Sweden, and Denmark, according to Eurogamer Spain, Ausgamers, Gamereactor Sweden, and Gamereactor Denmark.

    OXM gave Mass Effect 2 9.5/10, Skyrim 10/10
    Wired gave Mass Effect 2 9/10, Skyrim 10/10
    GamePro gave Mass Effect 2 4.5/5, Skyrim 5/5
    Total Video Games gave ME2 9/10, Skyrim 10/10
    GameStyle gave ME2 9/10, Skyrim 10/10
    Game Revolution gave ME2 an A-, Skyrim A
    Atomic Gamer gave ME2 95%, Skyrim 100%

    According to Gamerankings, it is the 19th highest ranked game of all time (or at least since 1997).

  141. CarlB:

    “Game of the Year
    The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

    As of this date, Skyrim is the pinnacle of RPG gaming offering countless hours of exploration and action.”

    http://www.justpushstart.com/2011/12/04/2011-game-of-the-year-winners/

  142. CarlB:

    ““Game of the Year
    The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

    huge in scope and infinitely replayable”

    http://www.g4tv.com/videos/56634/best-of-2011-game-of-the-year/

  143. phranctoast:

    Is there an award for studios that release games 3 months before they should?

    If there is, Bethesda deserves it for every single one of their recent games.

    Maybe an award for having no QA team.

    When they received Studio of the year from the Spike VGA’s in simply reinforced the farce that is that ceremony.

  144. CaptBirdman:

    Yeah that’s my point, thanks for pointing that out Phranc.

    Achievement unlocked: Bethesda Check Cleared 100G

    It is an unbelievable number considering no game in HISTORY has that many REGULAR REVIEWS let alone PERFECT ones. That number isn’t credible at all. When you can provide a source for that number, with all publications (good luck, because I’ve been trying. Why else would I even challenge it, dummy?).

    The truth is, they are using reviews from no-credible blogs and user reviews. You said it yourself, even Metacritic lists at least 70 publications that give Mass Effect 2 a perfect score, but hey, why does Gamerankings, Metacritic, Wiki and others not have a source that backs up Bezzie’s claim except those pointing to Bezzie’s claim, eh? Again, research your posts and back what you say up. You aren’t dealing with a guy who doesn’t read what is posted.

  145. CarlB:

    I can’t even find the list of 70 pubs that gave Mass Effect 2 a perfect score, and neither can you.

    It was an official press release, so I’m sure all kinds of “credible” publications would just love to post an expose if they were lying or simply fluffing their numbers with every other blog. 200 “worldwide” means just that, and it seems perfectly reasonable considering how many perfect reviews it has received in this country, let alone 100+ others. Those that they did list are by no means unknown.

    Regardless, we’ve already established Mass Effect 2 has less perfect reviews on the most popular platform alone, XBox 360, and that several of the same reviewers who gave ME2 less than perfect review scores gave Skyrim perfect reviews.

    I think it should be crystal clear to you by now that Skyrim was not “blown out of the water” by Mass Effect 2 in any way, shape, or form other than your personal bias for sci-fi.

  146. CaptBirdman:

    “Regardless, we’ve already established Mass Effect 2 has less perfect reviews on the most popular platform alone, XBox 360″

    If I allowed you to cherry pick, you’d win every argument CarlB. Can’t let you do that, can I?

    You must be a Tea Party member lol…

    “I can’t even find the list of 70 pubs that gave Mass Effect 2 a perfect score, and neither can you.”

    It’s on Metacritic you idiot. Learn how to use Wikipedia instead of just posting shit from there. Source 12, 13, and 14 ;)

    That brings us to:

    “200 “worldwide” means just that, and it seems perfectly reasonable considering how many perfect reviews it has received in this country, let alone 100+ others. Those that they did list are by no means unknown.”

    2 things:

    1. Bethesda themselves stated that the ones they named specifically gave the game a perfect score (which they did), but also stated when they say “perfect”, they meant on a 10/10 scale. I showed you they were lying, as many of those listed use a 5/5 perfect scale. I posted a link as well. Try clicking instead of arguing. You might learn something.

    2.WHERE is this number 200 coming from? Why are there no sources for that claim? You say why haven’t publications exposed them, I say when they do, you’re going to feel dumb as hell. If I can show they’re lying, just let an investigator get wind of that dubious claim. To be fair, that could be the truth, but it would mean they are using blogs and user reviews to inflate that number. The fact that you think the VGAs are credible is why I am not surprised you honestly believe Skyrim– perhaps one of the buggiest and broken games of ALL TIME– got more PERFECT reviews than Super Mario 3 got REGULAR REVIEWS.

    Kinda makes sense though. You are a gullible casual gamer, and you aren’t as educated on these things as you would have the rest of Bloge believe. You’re a wiki and google poseur. Please stop, because you a clearly ignorant on this subject.

  147. CaptBirdman:

    Just counted on Metacritic, and Skyrim has 41 perfect reviews over all 3 platforms, out of 130 total review (70 away from 200) and I didn’t bother with checking which scale they used.

    Mass Effect 2 has 61 perfect reviews over 3 platforms, out of 213.

    These, of course, are the reviews that Metacritic find “credible”.

    GameRankings says about the same thing, though slightly less for both.

    On MC and GR, Skyrim (and Red Dead) are lower than ME2 in EVERY respect, with Skyrim ranking a lower average than ME2 across every platform on MC.

    Skyrim: 360- 96 (on 88 reviews), PS3-92, PC- 94
    ME2: 360- 96 (on 98 reviews), PS3-94, PC- 94

    giving them an average of (SKY) 94 and (ME2) 94.6. Bear in mind Mass Effect has over 80 more reviews than Skyrim, and STILL manages to beat it.

    Now, if Bethesda wants to use unlisted reviewers, they need to show them, and then we need to see what those same reviewers gave Mass Effect 2, because if they can use those, then so should every developer. Clearly they are using unaccredited reviewers and no one else is allowed to I guess.

    Again I ask, what happened to Red Dead? Why are you no longer arguing that game? Lol…

    No matter how you are trying to spin this shit, Mass Effect is beating your games, and beating them by wide margins.

  148. CarlB:

    “Bethesda themselves stated that the ones they named specifically gave the game a perfect score (which they did), but also stated when they say “perfect”, they meant on a 10/10 scale.”

    You never linked to where they specifically said this and you still can’t. You post “a link”, but you didn’t even read that one, where they specifically stated: ““According to Bethesda’s findings there have been some 200 perfect review scores which we’ll assume equals 10/10s, 5/5s and five star ratings.”

    Read your own source links and try clicking instead of arguing.

    “Source 12, 13, and 14″

    Are listed as a reference to “”average score of 96 for the Xbox 360 and 94 for the PC and PS3 on Metacritic” not “over 70 perfect scores”. There are only 61 perfect review scores on Metacritic across all three platforms.

    Read your own source links and try clicking instead of arguing.

    “what happened to Red Dead? Why are you no longer arguing that game?”

    Because I never really began to and never had to because of your ludicrous statement. Again, you started in here with the mantra:

    “I told you: the 70+ perfect scores that Mass Effect 2 has gotten, that Red Dead and Skyrim haven’t gotten COMBINED.
    Oh and it also has 13 GOTY awards.
    Hence ‘blown out of the water.’”

    So you can’t even back up those “70+ perfect scores” with a list, yet I can clearly show you where Skyrim alone beats out Mass Effect 2 on the most popular platform.

    Once again, no where near being “blown out of the water”.

    There is no spin, and Mass Effect hasn’t “beaten” Skyrim at all, not even by narrow margins.

    http://kotaku.com/5869485/skyrim-gets-shouted-out-as-gamespots-game-of-the-year

  149. CaptBirdman:

    “You never linked to where they specifically said this and you still can’t. You post “a link”, but you didn’t even read that one, where they specifically stated: ““According to Bethesda’s findings there have been some 200 perfect review scores which we’ll assume equals 10/10s, 5/5s and five star ratings.””

    O RLY?

    “Official Bethesda press release quote pertaining to the use of ‘perfect’ when looking at 10/10 scores”

    http://n4g.com/news/906881/200-reviewers-say-skyrim-is-the-perfect-game

    Already posted that link. Would you kindly shut the fuck up?

    “Again, you started in here with the mantra:”

    Nope, did not ‘start’ where you quoted. I actually started with this:

    “Reason VGAs gave it to Skyrim were, yeah it’s a good game, but it has a much more wide appeal, because it’s on multiple consoles. It’s the same reason ME2 didn’t win over RDR in ’10. Popularity won in that case…

    And ME2 was better than RDR in every way, period.”

    If you’re gonna say I started with something, it’d help your case to use…oh I don’t know…exactly where I started?

    You got butthurt over my comment, as you always do. You put stock into the VGAs and in my opinion, it’s because the game you like happen to win an award. You tried to back a clearly dubious award, just as you are trying to back a clearly dubious claim from a studio that is smelling it’s own arse and thinking it’s shit don’t stink.

    I admitted I could only find 61 scores using Metacritic alone, but there are a few more I didn’t count on Gamerankings. I’m not going to post em, as you can look for yourself. But you won’t because you’re a dishonest fucker. There aren’t even 60 for Skyrim using MC and GR combined, so where are the 200, I ask for the umpteenth time? Where is your list? Mine is easily available, and yours isn’t because it don’t exist. PERIOD.

    “yet I can clearly show you where Skyrim alone beats out Mass Effect 2 on the most popular platform.”

    This is called cherry picking motherfucker, get over that shit. If you’re gonna say Skyrim has over 200 reviews (which would obviously be across multiple systems), you can’t say X game beat Y game on Z console. And for the record, you ain’t showed shit. Using MC alone, there are more perfect reviews on 360 (the most popular platform for both games) for ME2 than Skyrim.

    Try again, muthasucka.

  150. CaptBirdman:

    “Using MC alone, there are more perfect reviews on 360 (the most popular platform for both games) for ME2 than Skyrim.”

    Should read

    Using GR alone, there are more perfect reviews on 360 (the most popular platform for both games) for ME2 than Skyrim.

  151. CarlB:

    “O RLY?”

    Yes. Really. If you had ever actually bothered to click through the link on N4G to the source you would have seen this:

    “According to Bethesda’s findings there have been some 200 perfect review scores which we’ll assume equals 10/10s, 5/5s and five star ratings.”

    Actually you admitted you could only find 59 (“I have a list of 59 reviewers (can’t find the other 11+), I’m the one that said I found 61.

    “You got butthurt over my comment”

    Not at all, it is simply false. Mass Effect 2 does not “blow” Skyrim’s reviews out of the water, let alone Skyrim and RDR’s reviews “COMBINED”.

    “Mine is easily available”

    Fine, then I ask you to copy and paste it if “70+ perfect review scores” are so “easily available” from
    different “credible” publications, as I have only found 61, 2 more than you admitted to having found.

    “Using MC alone, there are more perfect reviews on 360 (the most popular platform for both games) for ME2 than Skyrim.”

    No, wrong again.
    Skyrim has 31 perfect reviews on MC for 360.
    http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/critic-reviews

    Mass Effect 2 has 30.
    http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-2/critic-reviews

    But don’t fret. Famitsu’s perfect review score for Skyrim isn’t listed on Metacritic yet, so I’m sure others exist that haven’t been listed “worldwide”, and even though Machinima and Gamespot didn’t give it a “perfect” review score, they still gave it GotY.

    “…and the winner is… Skyrim!”

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/goodgame/stories/s3379479.htm

  152. CarlB:

    “O RLY?”
    Yes. Really. If you had ever actually bothered to click through the link on N4G to the source you would have seen this:
    “According to Bethesda’s findings there have been some 200 perfect review scores which we’ll assume equals 10/10s, 5/5s and five star ratings.”
    Actually you admitted you could only find 59 (“I have a list of 59 reviewers (can’t find the other 11+), I’m the one that said I found 61.
    “You got butthurt over my comment”
    Not at all, it is simply false. Mass Effect 2 does not “blow” Skyrim’s reviews out of the water, let alone Skyrim and RDR’s reviews “COMBINED”.
    “Mine is easily available”
    Fine, then I ask you to copy and paste it if “70+ perfect review scores” are so “easily available” from
    different “credible” publications, as I have only found 61, 2 more than you admitted to having found.
    “Using MC alone, there are more perfect reviews on 360 (the most popular platform for both games) for ME2 than Skyrim.”
    No, wrong again.
    Skyrim has 31 perfect reviews on MC for 360.
    http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/critic-reviews
    Mass Effect 2 has 30.
    metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-2/critic-reviews
    But don’t fret. Famitsu’s perfect review score for Skyrim isn’t listed on Metacritic yet, so I’m sure others exist that haven’t been listed “worldwide”, and even though Machinima and Gamespot didn’t give it a “perfect” review score, they still gave it GotY.
    “…and the winner is… Skyrim!”
    abc.net.au/tv/goodgame/stories/s3379479.htm

  153. CaptBirdman:

    “Actually you admitted you could only find 59 (“I have a list of 59 reviewers (can’t find the other 11+), I’m the one that said I found 61.”

    Lying ass bitch! LOL read it and weep:

    “Just counted on Metacritic, and Skyrim has 41 perfect reviews over all 3 platforms, out of 130 total review (70 away from 200) and I didn’t bother with checking which scale they used.
    Mass Effect 2 has 61 perfect reviews over 3 platforms, out of 213.”

    You just proved to me that you do not read, you just skim and pick out sentences you think you can counter. So why the fuck am I talking to you again?

  154. CarlB:

    “Should read
    Using GR alone, there are more perfect reviews on 360 (the most popular platform for both games) for ME2 than Skyrim.”

    Once again, 21 to 19 is hardly being “blown out of the water”; especially considering it is five reviews shy of Mass Effect 2′s total on GR. Also, Gamecell, Darkzero, Acegamez, Hardcore Gamer Magazine, Boomtown, Gaming Nexus, and GameSpy have yet to be recognized for Skyrim on GR, all of which gave perfect scores to ME2.

  155. CarlB:

    “Lying ass bitch! LOL read it and weep”

    Sorry. Wrong again. I was the first to mention 61 on the 18th:

    http://gamer.blorge.com/2011/12/11/spike-vga-wrap-up-the-winners-command-conquer-and-metal-gear-rising-made-by-new-studios/comment-page-4/#comment-179295

    or you could just ctrl f 61.

    You were still quoting 59 even after my accurate post:

    blorge.com/2011/12/11/spike-vga-wrap-up-the-winners-command-conquer-and-metal-gear-rising-made-by-new-studios/comment-page-4/#comment-179347

    or you could just ctrl f 59.

    Please read instead of skimming and picking out sentences you think you can counter. You can’t even keep track of your own banter, so I have no idea how you think you can keep up with me.

  156. CaptBirdman:

    Have to admit, did not see you write that. My mistake.

  157. CarlB:

    No problem.

    Hey look, Mass Effect 2 is a great game, and in my tops list. It deserves the awards and reviews it received and I think Skyrim does also (even the awards and reviews it has yet to receive). I can understand if you disagree with this, especially with your admitted bias. Despite the bugs, I think Skyrim is still an awesome experience. I don’t particularly care for them releasing a product like that, and I empathize with the ones it affected greatly, but I wasn’t one of them.

    I also think that if ME3 learns from the best to be found in Skyrim and the next Elder Scrolls learns from the best in ME2&3 that they both can be better gaming experiences.

    Truce?

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