Every PS Vita to come with free Augmented Reality games

January 12, 2012

Every PS Vita to come with free Augmented Reality gamesWith the launch of the PlayStation Vita around the corner in the US and Europe, Sony is starting to promote the system. At CES, Sony revealed that the handheld device will come with some free Augmented Reality (AR) video games.

As shown on the PlayStation blog, the Vita will come with a deck of cards that you can layout on any table that will transform it into a playing field for various games. One game shown to Jeff Rubenstein, of PS Blog was that of a table soccer (football for EU) game.

You can layout cards on the table to create goal posts, scoreboard, and bleachers on the fly. The game can be played with a friend via ad-hoc co-op across the table. It seems like a quick and fun little app that can be played with friends when bored.

The Vita will also come with a voucher to download a handful of free AR games as well.

Sony also revealed a new promo with Taco Bell where you can win a free PS Vita by munching on some tacos. Starting January 26th through March 11th, a PS Vita winner will be selected every 15 minutes. That is a lot of free Vitas if you think about it.

You can increase your chances by picking up the $5 Buck Taco Box or downloading  Taco Bell’s mobile app to your phone.

UNLOCK THE BOX: Beginning January 26th, Taco Bell’s specially marked $5 Buck Box – which includes a Cheesy Gordita Crunch, Crunchy Taco, Burrito Supreme and medium fountain drink – will also provide a code that can be entered online for an instant chance to “unlock” and win a PS Vita.

BATTLE: Download Taco Bell’s new mobile app to check out the exclusively designed Reality Fighters Dojo game where you can “battle” your friends to win a PS Vita.

BOAST: Taco Bell’s online contest will encourage you to submit a photo or video “boasting” about what you’re willing to do for a PS Vita. Submissions will then go into an online gallery where you and your peers can vote for the winners

Apparently the PS Vita will come with a free copy of Little Deviants, 4GB Vita Memory Card and choice of ModNation Racers, MLB 12 The Show or LittleBigPlanet. Check out the PlayStation blog post for the full details.

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277 Responses to “Every PS Vita to come with free Augmented Reality games”

  1. gunstar:

    Best Buy Canada is promoting a PS Vita Preorder Package with a PS Vita Unit, a Little Deviants game, a 4GB Memory Card, a PS Vita Carry Case and a free Uncharted:Golden Abyss game!

    All for CAD$300.00 only!

    CAD$65.00 savings!

  2. gunstar:

    Up to January 12, 2012 only!

  3. phranctoast:

    http://m.kotaku.com/5875398/microsoft-shelves-fancy-tv-service-for-the-xbox-360

    That may be the quickest hand I could remember Microsoft folding.

  4. Andrew_DS:

    WOW great. I take it Nintendo copied sony by including augmented reality games with the 3DS! Obviously using time travel.

    Now I am not accusing Gamer Blorge of any form of bias here but hoe come no article on how well the 3DS is doing in Japan. Selling nearly 200,000 more units than the the vita.

  5. phranctoast:

    “WOW great. I take it Nintendo copied sony by including augmented reality games with the 3DS! Obviously using time travel.”

    Nope. Eye toy used AR. So did PS eye. No time travel necessary to copy Sony here.

    I also wouldn’t be surprised to find out that Sony mentioned their NGP to have AR before Nintendo did.

  6. twilight:

    Andrew,
    It’s not really news anymore because it is common knowledge now that Sony is in last place in worldwide sales behind Nintendo and Microsoft.

  7. phranctoast:

    @twilight
    Did Andrew_DS mention wold wide sales?

  8. phranctoast:

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31047865&postcount=2

  9. twilight:

    Phranctoast,
    Isn’t Ds leading Vita in sales?

  10. Roca.:

    @Twilight
    did anyone say otherwise? and you didn’t answer Phranc question

    @Andrew_DS

    Sony pioneered AR based gaming on a portable gaming device. Invizimals came out in 2009 for the PSP.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbTJw_2E-Ww

    h**p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invizimals

    It’s very clear that Nintendo copied Sony once again…just like Microsoft copied the Eye Toy with Kinect

  11. twilight:

    Roca,
    Andrew was comparing Ds sales to Vita sales. I made the statement that Sony is last in worldwide sales of all hardware. So what’s the issue?

  12. Roca.:

    “I made the statement that Sony is last in worldwide sales of all hardware. So what’s the issue?”

    @Twilight

    well for starter, the issue is that you are wrong because ALL Sony hardware includes PS3, Vita, PSP, PS2 – this puts Microsoft in last place worldwide behind Sony and Nintendo :)

  13. twilight:

    Also, for the record yet again I could care less about what position any system is in.

  14. Roca.:

    I’ll be getting some hands on with the PS Vita next week.. Sony is be here in Boston (and other cities) to show case the Vita and some of its launch games.

  15. twilight:

    Lol so loudly @ Roca. Um…that’s what you’re leading too…
    Since you put it that way then, I can’t dispute that.

  16. Godless:

    Twilight

    Roca is just bitter about “CURRENT SALES FIGURES” because the 360 outsold both Sony PS3 and Nintendo Wii this Christmas, and opened its lead over the PS3 to around 4 million.
    Vita is still under 500,000 in sales, which is pretty dammed poor if you ask me, So I’m guessing this kind of statistic will be ripping Rocas heart in two ;)

    PS3 fanboys have been bleating about how the PS3 will overtake WW sales by the end of the year. . .EVERY year for the last 4 years LMAO

    Guess they’ll need to bleat it all over again this year :D

    I really hope the Vita gets better sales in the west, or is the smart phone market just too strong to allow for a dedicated portable gaming platform to have the sales like the last couple of generations have had.

  17. Roca.:

    @Godless
    again your your usual factless statements…

    show me the link that proves Microsoft outsold the PS3 and all Sony hardware — good luck there.

    500K units in “one market” in less than one month is pretty good — PS3, 360 and Wii doesn’t sell that much in during a month in the US…so go figured.

    is “sales” all you guys have? I wonder what you get out of it lmao… Mean while I still have a shit load of quality games to look forward to in 2012:

    PS3 ——–
    -Last of US
    -Last Guardian
    -Twisted Metal
    -Starhawk
    -Dust 514
    -Journey
    -Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
    -Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
    -Sorcery
    -MLB the Show
    -Yakuza

    PS Vita ——–
    -Uncharted: Golden Abyss
    -Ruin
    -Wipeout
    -ModNation: Road Trip
    -Resistance
    -Escape Plan
    -Little Deviants
    -Ninja Gaiden
    -Shinobido 2
    -Super Stardust Delta

    What 360 exclusive are you looking forward the most…

    *cricket…cricket*

  18. ncaissie:

    @gunstar.

    I ordered mine :D
    I can’t f’in wait!

  19. ncaissie:

    @andrew_dipshit
    LMFAO you got owned once again. Don’t you ever get tired of looking stupid?

  20. jojo29:

    Godless
    The only reason sales are brought up here is because thats all the 360 bitches have ever argued with….we argue with lists upon lists of games, then when the 360 bitches get tired of being beat by the.exclusives list, since multiplats are not even a bulletpoint as both parties get to enjoy the game, even with me giving the 360 a 60/40 split, you are the ones always bringing up sales….halo selling 3 million more over God of War doesnt change the fact that while your still playing Halo, im enjoying not only God of War but gt5, kz, lbp, uc….etc…in godless case, it doesnt fucking matter if you like the games or not, the fact is, the choices are at least there for you to make, unlike the 360, which gives you 5 choices: halo…gears…forza..fable and kinect crap…and next year is looking even more limited in the exclusives…
    Worldwide sales are just one indicator of TOTAL sales….Year to Year is THE actual sales indicator because it shows sales since launch….in which case Sony has outsold the 360 every year since release except ONE (08) and well have to wait and see 2011 numbers…

    I dont understand how the 360 fanboys can be soo stupid…Worldwide total sales is the TOTAL number of units sold since launch….360 launched 05….thats 6-7 years worth of sales….PS3 launched on 06 thats 5-6 years of sales…see the one year discrepancy? ? That means “no fucking shit the 360 has more total sales, its been out a year longer”… so the best way to see which system is selling better is too see yearly sales, the total number of units a system sells PER YEAR…in which casenthe PS3 has OUTSOLD the 360 4/5 years since it was released, hence, the PS3 does indeed outsell the 360….

    If yall dont get simple math and comparisons broken down this simply, then, fuck, MS fanboys really are pretty stupid or have MS cock so far up their ass they are beyond help..

  21. The Future of Sega:

    Lol @ Gunstar & Ncaissie,

    Speaking of Canada I just applied for a position in Alberta. I’m looking to take a break away from the States for a little while…After hearing about the desecration of the dead Taliban bodies by the four US Marines I feel utterly disgusted and disappointed in my country.

    Those four marines have dishonored the values that we Americans stand for and we apologize for their inhumane despicable act! To keep the peace the administration should hand over those four marines and let the Taliban have their way with them. They sealed their fate when they pissed on the dead bodies…shame on them. Regardless if the men were radicals no one’s dead body should be desecrated like that.

    I apologize for ruining the mood of this conversation guys…

  22. jojo29:

    Before your stupid defensive comments…
    No one here said the 360 is a crappy gaming system
    No one said there arent any good games on the system…

    We are saying as fucking gamers, not stock holders, where the fuck is the gaming at on the console? Since Kinect released, only Gears 3 has been the newest ip from MS camp….basically, gamers want what they always want: games and MS is not delivering IN COMPARISON to what Sony offers….in that respect, no the 360 is NOT the place for gaming…

  23. jojo29:

    Not to get political but…
    Nothing justifies the despicable actions of the marines…but….the taliban, middle eastern/other countries have done a LOT worse to our soldiers…Black Hawk Down for a very easy example…they pretty much pillaged and looted the corpses of some of the downed men….i could list more recent examples but to say to give our men up to the likes of them is just asinine …

  24. Roca.:

    Just because you’re a Marine doesn’t mean you’re not human — and humans are not perfect and make mistake all time. We should’ve all left the country when we picked Bush as our leader

  25. phranctoast:

    Was it released by Wiki ‘LEAKS’? ;)

  26. The Future of Sega:

    Jojo,

    Maybe you’re right but their actions will further dampen our image to the world. We’re just nearing the beginning phase of peace and this happens. Regardless of what the Taliban did we are Americans, leaders of the free world. If we dishonor our values and act in accord to what the Taliban do then we are no better than them. But I understand what you mean.

  27. The Future of Sega:

    Roca,

    Except for one thing…what they did was not humane. I agree that we all make wrong decisions at times but to desecrate someone’s dead body like that is flat out disgraceful and evil. I’ll admit I thought former President Bush was a funny guy but I didn’t agree with his policies at times. ;-)

    I think President Obama is doing a good job handling the leftover “debris” from the Bush Administration…but it’s tough being a leader…especially when there is a crisis.

    Well I apologize for going off topic guys. I’m hoping that Sony reveals PS4 this year! :-) 6 years is too long to wait for a console selling game….so it’s time to move on. Bring on the PS4!!! :-D

  28. The Future of Sega:

    Phranctoast,

    Did you see the CNN special of Anonymous last night?

  29. twilight:

    I agree with Jojo’s/Roca’s statement regarding the issue with our soldiers. The U.S. is not perfect but there’s no other place I’d rather be.

  30. The Future of Sega:

    Oh Christ you guys are making it seem like I don’t support the marines. Well that is NOT true. I’ve had plenty of friends who served the military in college. Hell one of my ex gfs worked in the local army.

    But what I was trying to say is that regardless of what other nations do we should be better than them. If someone cuts you off on the road are you going to retaliate and possibly get a ticket? There’s a time and place for revenge but if you/we act out in such manner all of the time we might as well identify ourselves as the perpetrators.

    I love the United States too…probably more than you guys but I’m also a man of honor. Those who really care about their country are quick to constructively criticize and critique it when necessarily.

    I care about my country and do not want a handful of idiots to give us a bad name.

  31. phranctoast:

    no

  32. phranctoast:

    Our Marines piss on Taliban bodies, and the world flips out.

    Taliban cuts off our soldiers heads while they’re alive, and record it…No outrage.

    This garbage deserved defecation not urination as far as I’m concerned.

    Pin medals on these Marines.

  33. twilight:

    Sega,
    I understand the point that you are making. You are making a respectful point. However, I have to say that I personally don’t care what other countries think about the U.S. and our treatmet of Taliban soldiers. These people have committed more atrocious acts against U.S. citiz

  34. twilight:

    Sega,
    I understand the point that you are making. You are making a respectful point. However, I have to say that I personally don’t care what other countries think about the U.S. and our treatment of Taliban soldiers. These people have committed more atrocious acts against U.S. citizens then American soldiers have desecrating on some dead Taliban bodies.

  35. navysteve:

    Hahaha no wonder you are the most hated people in the world! Those marines should be given a fair trial under local law for the crimes they committed! leaders of the free world don’t make me laugh you are a self serving hypocritical nation to be honest having worked with the American millitary im not surprised by what’s happened they are uneducated incompetent and have no ideas how to win the hearts and minds of people.

  36. oldschool1987:

    You should see what the Taliban do to their enemies and then say what The Marines done was inhumane. I don’t condone it, I certainly wouldn’t do it but some people just snap out there if they see the enemy doing disgusting things to even their own people.

  37. oldschool1987:

    Navysteve are you kidding!? I remember when I first joined my regiment, they were in the paper because one soldier whilst in afghan ties a PoW to the front of aforklift truck and took him for a drive.

    If you ask me all counties armed forces has a few soldiers who snap and do horrible things, it happens, condemning the whole counties forces for it is narrow minded. Anyway Steve I doubt you know what it’s like on tour, no offence but your always out on the sea, you don’t have your foot on the ground.

  38. Roca.:

    “you don’t have your foot on the ground”

    he only have his Admiral’s foot up his ass…and based on his nonsense above I’m pretty sure he likes it.

  39. Barnabe Jones:

    What ever happened with the Taco Smell lawsuit about calling them using the term “meat”.

    That shit is nasty. I’ll just buy a Vita. Not sure I want to deal with a week’s worth of diarrhea.

  40. The Future of Sega:

    “Our Marines piss on Taliban bodies, and the world flips out.

    Taliban cuts off our soldiers heads while they’re alive, and record it…No outrage.

    This garbage deserved defecation not urination as far as I’m concerned.

    Pin medals on these Marines.”

    You’re wrong…there was outrage. That’s we dropped bombs over the Taliban and murdered them for revenge of our fallen dead soldiers. But it’s hard to earn sympathy from other nations when we have started conflicts and earned a bad reputation…like North Korea. If the North Korean leadership were ousted and killed I would have little sympathy for them because of how they mistreated their citizens and isolated them from the rest of the world. If Kim Jong Ill’s son is taken out well it’s because his sins have caught up with him.

    Navysteve,

    Forgive me if I’m wrong but aren’t you in the Navy? lol. :-D

    Oldschool,

    I am in no way condemning the army or my country but am appalled at those select marines who “represent” our nation. I don’t care who it is or what nation that commits such acts, such wickedness should not be tolerated anywhere.

    And going back to what some of you guys are saying like “Well they did it to us…and did far worse things.” Well that’s why they’re in the position that they’re in today. Poverty…a poor economy…lackluster accommodations…and inferior intelligence to compete with the leaders of the world. You reap what you sow…the Taliban sown hatred by killing Americans on American soil and now they have reaped what they have sown by death.

    Well Twilight I care about what the world thinks about our country. That incident may fuel more hostility against traveling Americans to other countries. And if they are fatally harmed…boom…it’s back to war…which means more taxes…which means less jobs…which means more aggravation and road rage…which means more city crime…which means more laws…which will lead back to the powers of government and all politicians will start jelquing their chodes again lol.

  41. The Future of Sega:

    Well you guys can sit here and argue all you want. I’m done. Only a fool dwells on foolish things. :-D This argument is pointless and will lead to nowhere. In the end God will answer all things….good or bad.

  42. oldschool1987:

    “such wickedness should not be tolerated anywhere.”

    Don’t remember saying it should. They will be punished, guarantee it. You’re judging the entire military on the actions of a few. That’s like saying America is a nation of cheaters because Clinton had an affair.

    Until you go out there and see what it’s like you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about tbh.

  43. Barnabe Jones:

    Seriously, it’s like a block of cheese took a greasy shit on a tortilla wrap, and then someone sprinkled dog food on the top.

  44. phranctoast:

    “That’s like saying America is a nation of cheaters because Clinton had an affair. ”

    We’re a nation that enjoys a nice mouth hug as often as we can get them.

  45. oldschool1987:

    Who doesn’t enjoy a “mouth hug” lol.

  46. ncaissie:

    “Also, for the record yet again I could care less about what position any system is in.”
    @twilight
    Then why do you keep going on about sales? Just to be a troll?

  47. The Future of Sega:

    “You’re judging the entire military on the actions of a few. That’s like saying America is a nation of cheaters because Clinton had an affair.”

    Lol I did not say that my friend what I was pointing out is that a select few represent our country in the United States. And what I mean by that is the marines, army, navy, seal troops, CIA, etc. all represent the United States on our behalf.

    If something bad happens due to one of our representatives the whole world blames us and it’s back to fucking and fighting lol. :-P

    I apologize for my beginning statement as I lost my job early this week and felt like leaving the country to work in Canada lol. That’s why I said that but I did apply for a job in Alberta. ;-)

    I bet it’s fricken cold up there right now lol.

  48. The Future of Sega:

    I’m surprised Captbirdman, Happyhockum, Liquid, and Knighthawk aren’t here arguing over this. ;-) Well you guys….have at it. I’m in the process of finding a new job and am a little heart broken at the moment *sniff sniff* lol. :-D

  49. Barnabe Jones:

    “After hearing about the desecration of the dead Taliban bodies by the four US Marines”

    Who gives a crap about the Taliban? Yeah it’s not in good taste, but terrorists aren’t worth a shit in my book any way.

    God only knows what they would do in the opposite position.

  50. oldschool1987:

    “Who gives a crap about the Taliban? Yeah it’s not in good taste, but terrorists aren’t worth a shit in my book any way.”

    I second this.

  51. twilight:

    Ncaissie,
    It seems to me that you’re just sensitive towards Ps3′s position in sales. Otherwise, it shouldn’t bother you what I say about sales.
    Here’s some news for you though. Microsoft is keeping so much of their profit money that assembly workers on the assembly line have threatened suicide because they are not getting paid enough. I told you Microsoft was rolling in money. Microsoft is getting paid. Lol.

  52. Barnabe Jones:

    Yeah, bottom line, it was wrong. They should be punished.

    But at the same time I realize it’s extremely easy to look down my nose at it while I sit in a house in the suburbs where my biggest worry tonight is “what should I have for dinner?”, and not, “Am I going to get killed?”

    They’re under extreme stress and pressure. I’m sure they’ve seen more than a few of their buddies loose it all.

    A few of them got carried away in the moment and did something stupid.

    AND.. it’s not like these were the bodies of innocent school children. These were the bodies of people who have devoted their entire lives to inflicting pain and suffering on others.

  53. ncaissie:

    “Who gives a crap about the Taliban? Yeah it’s not in good taste, but terrorists aren’t worth a shit in my book any way.”
    I second this.”

    I third it. I thing they should have shit on them lol
    Anyone tha would kill a kid and stuff him full of explosives are scumbags.

  54. CarlB:

    BJ brings up a great point. If you’ve never been to war and seen it’s horrors first hand then don’t pretend you would have acted differently and don’t even think you have the right to judge someone who has risked their life for your freedom and protection. Honor the Taliban dead? Tell that to the people who lost their mother, father, sister, brother, or best friend(s).

    This is war, and a sizeable chunk of the people actually fighting it don’t give a shit about your feelings, minding their p’s and q’s, or being politically correct. Many of them have been so desensitized by the amount of bloodshed they have seen that they will be seriously scarred by the time they reenter society.

    That said, I can assure you that those four Marines will be held responsible and will probably be seeing nothing but the brig for years because of the damage that video will cause. We do not take these things lightly, and their careers are over, if not their lives.

  55. oldschool1987:

    Carl I also second this. It’s basically the same as what BJ said so “SECOND”.

    Still can’t believe navysteve had the cheek to condemn America for how four Marines handled a situation, this from a guy who has never and never will see combat. His military career is spent on a boat playing “drop the soap”. Let him patrol the streets of Helmand, Nowzad or Sangin and see if he handles the situation any better.

  56. Godless:

    TFOS
    “This argument is pointless and will lead to nowhere. In the end God will answer all things….good or bad.”

    Don’t hang by your balls waiting on that dude, I can absolutely assure you that your god will not bring anyone to justice.

    Personally I couldn’t give a toss about the Taliban. I hate everything they stand for, They are a draconian Religious dictatorship, and one of the very worst the world has ever known.

    Just a pity america help to but them in power when it suited them to use them, now we all have to deal with the kickback.

    I personally don’t give a monkeys about what the marines did, to some dead bodies, surely killing them in the first place is more saddening, just a pity that it was somehow recorded. I will guarantee, much worse has been done, probably on all sides that never sees the light of day.

    Sadly it’s human nature to seek vengeance, and I’d be the first to admit, I would be capable of atrocities against someone who did anything to my family, or myself. that’s why humans have been at war for the last 20.000 years ever since we started getting in each others faces.

  57. phranctoast:

    “That said, I can assure you that those four Marines will be held responsible and will probably be seeing nothing but the brig for years because of the damage that video will cause. We do not take these things lightly, and their careers are over, if not their lives.”

    With that said, the biggest culprit as far as I’m concerned is the person that made the video.

  58. Roca.:

    There’s a American citizen (former Marine) being sentenced to death in Iran for developing a spy game…

    I hope the US doesn’t let Iran get away with this and bomb the fuck out of them — they’re long due

    http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2012/01/us-born-game-developer-sentenced-to-death-in-iran.ars

  59. Barnabe Jones:

    Yeah that’s been brewing since the 70s.

    Nice of us to rescue their sailors twice in the last month, and then we were rewarded with the threat of a naval blockade.

    That whole region is so incredibly backwards. Don’t even get me started on women/human rights in that area.

  60. oldschool1987:

    “Don’t hang by your balls waiting on that dude, I can absolutely assure you that your god will not bring anyone to justice.”

    Sounds like you have proof, link please.

    Fucking arrogant as hell telling someone that what they believe in is wrong. So what if people believe in a God, it’s none of your business. In future bite your fucking tongue and stop criticising what people say when they mention God. You don’t see us telling you you’re wrong for not believing. I swear the fucking arrogance. You sound like the type who goes around with leaflets telling people they’re wrong.

  61. phranctoast:

    “Fucking arrogant as hell telling someone that what they believe in is wrong. So what if people believe in a God, it’s none of your business. In future bite your fucking tongue and stop criticising what people say when they mention God. You don’t see us telling you you’re wrong for not believing. I swear the fucking arrogance. You sound like the type who goes around with leaflets telling people they’re wrong.”

    That’s really how you define an asshole. Godless reminds me of the fucking douchebags that have the darwin fish on the back of their car. It’s not enough that they need to share their lack of belief with everyone driving behind them, but they also have to be instigating Christianity at the same time by using the Jesus fish. Oh yeah, He’s double douche because of his handle (like we care what he doesn’t believe in).
    On top of that, his kids are probably being raised Christian so he’s a hypocrite as well.

  62. oldschool1987:

    “On top of that, his kids are probably being raised Christian so he’s a hypocrite as well.”

    Lol!

  63. Kushy:

    “Fucking arrogant as hell telling someone that what they believe in is wrong. So what if people believe in a God, it’s none of your business. In future bite your fucking tongue and stop criticising what people say when they mention God. You don’t see us telling you you’re wrong for not believing. I swear the fucking arrogance. You sound like the type who goes around with leaflets telling people they’re wrong.”

    Yeah I agree with what you’re saying! However….I also don’t want to see this place turn into BibleBlorge! Hahaha, it’s ok to talk about God and whatever, but you know what I’m saying. Godless is an angry/scared little troll online and offline. Dude is so negative that I can not be bothered with him.

  64. oldschool1987:

    Weren’t turning it into Bible Blorge, I didn’t offer or force my opinions of beliefs on anyone. All I did was point out how ignorant Godless is for doing this. It’s fucking disgraceful.

    I bet on Christmas day he goes round telling little children Santa is not real and that Xmas is a hoax.

  65. ncaissie:

    “I hope the US doesn’t let Iran get away with this and bomb the fuck out of them — they’re long due”
    I agree. And if I could join the US airforce and do it for then I would.

  66. Kushy:

    ^
    Yes that is always the answer! Lets bomb away, killing innocent women and children on the process! Two wrongs don’t make a right, there are better answers then war. Take your heads out of your asses!

  67. The Future of Sega:

    See I was going to walk away from this peacefully up until you insulted my faith Godless. Going back to what Barnabee said…yeah true those men brought nothing but evil in the world, but why give them the opportunity to dishonor ourselves? What goes around comes around. Those Taliban men have paid the price for sins….death.

    And by desecrating their bodies those marines our opening up a world of suffering and pain upon themselves. When they go to sleep or turn out the lights seeing their ghost will always haunt them until they repent.

    Oh…I see that Oldschool has defended me against Godless lol. Thanks dude I just read that. :-D Oldschool is right…you have absolutely NO RIGHT to insult or to tell me that my faith is false or holds no merit Godless!

    See that’s the problem with alot of atheists today…they are so quick to insult and judge other people’s faith ESPECIALLY when it comes to Christianity! Well I for one WILL NOT tolerate it. Not once (except when my faith had been attacked by Captbirdman and a few others) did I attack another person’s faith.

    Although I do not agree with the worldly view of atheism and how morally depraved atheists have become, I hold my tongue back not to judge. But here’s some scripture for your ass Mr. G-less…

    “Judge not less ye be judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”-Matthew 7:1,2

    Those are powerful words by my Savior Jesus Christ who has risen from the dead and holds all power in His hands.

  68. The Future of Sega:

    Going back on topic I want to apologize for starting this controversy on here. Regardless of what happened or how we agree on the subject matter, we are all Gamerblorge affiliates. :-D

    And uh OH…G-less…unless you forgot Jesus died on the cross for your sins too…but I won’t judge you. You’re free to believe what you want. The moment after death you’ll finally realize that faith in God is real…regardless of what you believe.

    Science, knowledge, and money won’t save you from eternal damnation my friend. ;-)

  69. FahKinSuPah:

    Oh shit…

    I decide to actually play some games for a few days and I come back to see the blorge has developed into religious bullshit again.

    I just know im going to start my shit now…

    I’m going to start with this one.

    If lightning is an act of god then why do churches and the vatican need lightning rods?

    Must be some sinful motherfuckers running christianity.

  70. oldschool1987:

    You forgot to sign it with:

    Blessings, Saint Sega.

    Lol, that makes me laugh.

    Fahk, I don’t know what you’re trying to say but it’s sounds like you’re suggesting God doesn’t exist, if so then stop trying to convince people who do that he does not. Like I said, it’s arrogant.

    “Must be some sinful motherfuckers running christianity.”

    Yep, 94.2% of priests lmao.

    And God is real! Have you not seen Supernatural? He is the prophet Chuck!

  71. CarlB:

    “Science, knowledge, and money won’t save you from eternal damnation my friend.”

    Nanotechnology might… if that doesn’t work I suppose I could convert just before I die, but which should I choose, there are so many religions and almost all of them are the “right” one… come on nanotech.

  72. oldschool1987:

    Nanotechnology couldn’t save Solid Snake, in fact it condemned him lol.

  73. FahKinSuPah:

    A couple years ago a friend of mine found god. Appearently he was hiding behind his sofa.

    Christians want to claim that their god is the only true god and their religion is the only true religion. If this was the case then why is there a whole bunch of religions that pre date christianity?

    A friend recently told me that in the bible originally the world was flat, as was believed to be many years ago before sailors sailed around the world, and not off the edge of it. Now obviously if this is true the church would have changed the bible to reflect the truth, but of oourse the original statement still leaves things up to question. If the bible orginally said the world was flat, does god really exist as humans claim he does? Because if god did indeed exist then he would have known the world was not flat and it would not have been written as such in the bible.

    Another fun topic is christians and gays. People are so bigoted and full of hate that this one will probably never be left alone. I’m just waiting for the day that christians finally realize that god created gays and their heads explode. Yes that’s right. GOD CREATED GAY PEOPLE. god loves gay people too.

  74. oldschool1987:

    I see youre still trying to argue against Christianity and say its wrong. How about fuck right off Fahk. I have no religion but seeing some arrogant little shit like you say it’s wrong it’s fucking retarded, you have no respect for personal beliefs whatsoever.

    M

  75. oldschool1987:

    I like how you attack all Christians as well and act like they are all like that. Fuck it, while you’re at it how about claiming all Muslims are terrorists you fucking idiot.

    What religion are you Fahk, you’re obviously following a religion because you aren’t attacking all religions in general, just Christianity like you have personal dislike towards them. I wonder if you’ll give me an honest answer.

  76. FahKinSuPah:

    Fuck yeah, christianity is wrong. Lead people around like sheep. perfect. When people are too smart to blindly follow they label them outcasts or anti christs or some other shitty label. Christianity has been pushed on people for years, centuries. According to the bible god gave humans the freedom to find and choose their own path in life, yet those in christianity would force their own beliefs on others. So much for god given free choice huh?

  77. FahKinSuPah:

    As for my religion maybe I don’t have one?

    Maybe I got tired of watching christianity fuck people over and priests touching little boys.

    Who wants to be a part of a fucked up religion like that?

  78. CarlB:

    People can be led around like sheep no matter the religion, including atheism. There are also people that are highly intelligent in each religion, including atheism. There are also people that are sick, in each religion, including atheism.

    Christianity just happens to have had a larger following and popularity throughout recent history, and hence more power, which doesn’t necessarily mean it is “right” or “wrong”. There are those that have freely chosen Christianity for themselves, and others who have had it “forced” upon them, as with atheism and other religions. One always has a choice, even if it is to die for what one believes in.

    Maybe some are/were tired of watching people (atheists) like:

    -Than Shwe who forces his people to give up their children to be soldiers

    -Kim Jong Il

    -Jeffrey Dahmer (“’if a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?’. He brutally killed seventeen men and boys, dismembering them, storing their parts and indulging in cannibalism and necrophilia.”

    -Jim Jones (“He said that he ‘took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism’. In 1978, 909 people at the restricted communist ‘sanctuary’ he presided over in Jonestown, Guyana, committed ‘revolutionary suicide’ at his command.”

    -Mussolini

    -Mao Zedong (under his rule “Five million were executed in death camps. 36 million were persecuted and tortured. There were even instances of cannibalism.”

    -Pol Pot – “imposed an extreme version of agrarian communism, where all city dwellers were relocated to the countryside to work in collective farms and forced labour projects. The combined effect of slave labour, malnutrition, poor medical care and executions is estimated to have killed around 2 million Cambodians (approximately one third of the population). His regime achieved special notoriety by singling out all intellectuals, and other “bourgeois enemies”, for murder. The Khmer Rouge committed mass executions in sites known as the Killing Fields, and the executed were buried in mass graves. In order to save ammunition, executions were often carried out using hammers, axe handles, spades or sharpened bamboo sticks. His attempts to “cleanse” the country resulted in the deaths of 1.7 to 2.5 million people. He also had an intense dislike of anyone with the semblance of being intelligent, such as those who wore glasses or who spoke another language.”

    -Stalin. “Under Stalin’s leadership, the Ukraine suffered a famine (Holodomor) so great it is considered by many to be an act of genocide on the part of Stalin’s government. Estimates of the number of deaths range from 2.5 million to 10 million. The famine was caused by direct political and administrative decisions. In addition to the famine, Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state (i.e. capitalists, theists). In total, estimates of the total number murdered under Stalin’s reign, range from 10 million to 60 million. His government promoted atheism with mass propaganda in school, and held a terror campaign against the religious. He crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and shooting more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns between 1937 and 1938.”

    The point is any religion, government, country, or organization (whether it be Christianity, Atheism, or even the U.S. Marines) can have people who may or may not represent the majority, that do reprehensible things and or very good things. There is no perfect individual human, let alone group of individuals, and there is no perfect individual belief system, as they are all made up of individuals who do not know everything there is to know.

  79. FahKinSuPah:

    And Hitler was a christian. Nice comparison.

    Also it was a pretty nice move to try to compare atheism to christianity. There is a big difference there though. For starters people don’t force atheism onto others. You don’t see atheists going door to door (jehovahs witness) or doing crusades (christianity) to try and convert people. Wouldn’t it make sense to need some sort of religious belief to try and convert others to see as you do? But thats just the thing. Atheists have no religious belief.

  80. CarlB:

    “And Hitler was a christian.”

    Riiight.

    Hitler: “National Socialism and religion cannot exist together…. The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity…. Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death…. When understanding of the universe has become widespread… Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity…. Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity…. And that’s why someday its structure will collapse…. …the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little…. Christianity the liar…. We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity. Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery…. …. When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let’s be the only people who are immunised against the disease. It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors– but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity…. My regret will have been that I couldn’t… behold .” …as quoted by Hitler’s personal secretary, Martin Bormann.

    Hitler is often quoted as publically professing to be a Christian, coincidentally, he gained the support of the German people, 90% of whom where professing Christians.

    “For starters people don’t force atheism onto others. You don’t see atheists going door to door (jehovahs witness) or doing crusades (christianity) to try and convert people.”

    Sorry, I’ve never seen or heard of a Jehovah’s witness holding someone at gunpoint and “forcing” them to convert. As for the crusades, they are more ancient than the previously mentioned accounts of Stalin. Yes, he was an atheist, and yes, he did force atheism onto others.

    “Wouldn’t it make sense to need some sort of religious belief to try and convert others to see as you do? But thats just the thing. Atheists have no religious belief.”

    For the purpose of this discussion, I am using this definition of religion: “a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects”. By this definition, a belief that there is no God or gods, supernatural/divine powers (i.e. those that cannot be explained by science), etc. can be just as “religious”.

  81. CarlB:

    …in persecuting others who do not hold the same beliefs as you do.

  82. jojo29:

    @Fahkinsupah

    Carlb just made you and your argument look totally stupid, without resulting in the same type of condescending attitude you took Fahkin…LMAO

  83. FahKinSuPah:

    hitler was christian at some point. There were MANY books written about his life and what he did. You forget to mention how he pretty much went crazy at some point and became the hitler that we all know and love.

  84. CarlB:

    http://answers.org/apologetics/hitquote.html

    Besides I never mentioned Hitler, you did.

    The point is Atheists, Muslims, Christians or people of any belief system are just as capable of crimes against humanity. You know, like the list of people I already mentioned earlier.

  85. oldschool1987:

    So God made Hitler a Christian to kill all Jews …Jesus was a Jew, he must of hated his son right?

    Fahk I remember once you saying you’re Asian so I’ll assume you are Muslim, if I’m wrong I apologise but if I’m right and you don’t admit it it just means you’re ashamed of your own religion. I know you have a religion otherwise you wouldn’t have such hate for Christians. And Carl totally owned you lol.

  86. oldschool1987:

    “Maybe I got tired of watching christianity fuck people over and priests touching little boys.”

    Link of where it said in the Bible that priests are supposed to do that?

    “Who wants to be a part of a fucked up religion like that?”

    Not as bad as the religion that says the death of an infidel shall be rewarded with 70 odd virgins.

  87. FahKinSuPah:

    @oldschool

    “Fahk I remember once you saying you’re Asian so I’ll assume you are Muslim,”

    Never once, did I say I was asian. i’m not muslim either.

    “Link of where it said in the Bible that priests are supposed to do that?”

    Doesn’t say to do it in the bible but they do it anyway. Then the church just covers in up in many many cases. That is totally wrong on so many levels. Children are supposed to be innocent, and not have that innocence taken away from them by priests, whom they should be able to trust.

    i guess it isn’t bad enough to have sexual predators living in your neighborhood or city…

  88. oldschool1987:

    “Doesn’t say to do it in the bible but they do it anyway.”

    So basically you’re admitting that’s it’s not the religions fault but the fault of perverted old men?

    Funny how you’re quick to bash Christianity but you’re too afraid to admit your religion, I suppose you don’t want anyone to insult your beliefs as well. It’s people like you that cause religious wars, it’s people with your attitude but had some power that tried causing mass murder of a religious group. Hitler was the same, he though Jews were wrong so he tried wiping them out. You have the same attitude against Christians but lack the power or balls to do anything about it.

  89. CarlB:

    http://www.nobeliefs.com/comments13.htm

  90. CarlB:

    http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Islamic-sexual-perversion.htm

  91. CarlB:

    http://religiouschildabuse.blogspot.com/2011/03/texas-jury-finds-hindu-guru-guilty-of.html

  92. CarlB:

    Personally I’m agnostic. I do not know whether “God” exists or not, nor do I deny the possibility that there may be a higher power. I also believe in the possibility of alien life, and that wisdom can be found in almost all of the major religious texts, to include mythology.

  93. oldschool1987:

    Carl if you don’t mind me asking, do you have a religion? I don’t but being in the British Army I attended a Christian church multiple times, fellow troops death, before tours, visited by priests during tours so if I had to choose a religion it would be that.

  94. oldschool1987:

    Don’t matter you’ve answered already lol.

    ” I also believe in the possibility of alien life”

    Anyone who says there is no Alien life is extremely narrow minded. I believe we’ll find life in our own solar system, single cell life at best I think and I think it will be found on the moon Europa. Also to quote Contact, if there is no life out there then it’s an awful waste of space.

  95. FahKinSuPah:

    @oldschool

    My family tried to raise me christian but i told them that wasn’t for me. Right now I guess you could say I have no religion. So how is that for answering your question?

  96. CarlB:

    While in the Marine Corps I put “No Preference” on my dogtags.

    “The world is my country and my religion is to do good.” -Thomas Paine (deist), Rights of Man, 1791

    I also believe in the possibility that alien life could have visited Earth in the past, and we could have seen it as what some call God, gods, divine, supernatural, mytholigical, etc.

    I also believe that religion was developed before we had a firm understanding of science, that many religions have borrowed from previous mythologies and philosophies, and that the Bible was written by man (and therefore capable of being fallible).

    I place more importance on the good that we can do now and decreasing the bad. Jesus could be a good example even without the divine powers that have been attributed to him (see Jefferson’s Bible). We do not need churches, priests, or even the Bible in order to do good or bad.

  97. oldschool1987:

    Still doesn’t explain why you have the arrogance to tell people what they believe is wrong.

  98. ncaissie:

    “^
    Yes that is always the answer! Lets bomb away, killing innocent women and children on the process! Two wrongs don’t make a right, there are better answers then war. Take your heads out of your asses!”
    Oh it’s soo much better to leave them untill they star nuking other counties. Or would you prefer to have another war and kill thousands more of our soldiers (whom happen to women and children also).

  99. Godless:

    WOW, a perfectly innocent comment gets all the religiously insecure shouting and ranting.

    As for your request for a link oldie. . LOL A link to what? Proof that god doesn’t exist?. .LMAO, that would be like me asking you to provide a link that proves: invisible unicorns don’t exist.

    If your going to make the claim that something exists i.e. “a god”, then it is your responsibility to provide the evidence that it exists.

    You can’t just say “I think god exists therefore he does”, and then expect me to believe you, or to have any respect for you believing in something for which there is no evidence.

    We now have a pretty clear history of religion from its appearance, through it’s evolution to monotheism, which i take it is what you have some kind of belief in.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_religion

    Tell me why it is arrogant to believe there is no god, when it is abundantly clear that God was created by man, to fulfil his desire for immortality, and to try and give life some kind of higher meaning to life. The harsh facts are that there is no higher purpose for life, other than what we make of it ourselves.

    We are all Atheists, I just happen to believe in one less god than you do.

    If I was going to worship anything , It would be the sun, as ultimately it is what provides the energy for life. that and water. You can’t have life without water, That and the strong and weak nuclear forces to allow the formation of water, and all the other atoms. also electromagnetism and gravity, can have life without those,. .Ahh bollox. .there’s nothing to worship, life is a direct result of the nature of the universe, and 14.7 billion years of physics, nothing more.

    If you want to tell me god exists, and expect me to believe it, then I need some proof he does. even the tiniest bit of empirical evidence, just one tiny morsle, a scrap. .just one thing, anything.

    Link please.

  100. Godless:

    Here’s another interesting link

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence

    Opinions welcome

  101. Godless:

    Carl

    Richard Dawkins has addressed the accusation that Atheism is a religion, in the book, “The god delusion”.

    If I can find a link to the text I will post it, but basically you can call not beleaving something a religion.

    If I claimed that the universe was created by a mystical potatoes, and that I was a follower of Potatoeism.

    Would the fact that the rest of the world was not potatoist make them part of a nonpotatoist religion?

    of course not, it would be proposterous to group non belief in somthing a religion

    Atheism, is a lack of belief in the existence of gods.

    Every atheist on the planet will have chosen not to believe in what ever god/gods they happen to have been subjected to. does the fact that most will not have even heard of 99% of the gods that have existed matter, or are you lumping all gods into one supreme being category? So not believing in any one of them is the same as not beleving in all of them?

    Atheism is not a religion, I worship nothing, I don’t claim the existence of anything, I have no bible to follow, I simply don’t believe in gods, just like I don’t believe in faeries, pixies, unicorns or flying spaghetti monsters.

    Is not believing in any of these things a religion?

  102. Godless:

    LOL
    bad typo = speed ranting ;)
    “but basically you can call not beleaving something a religion”
    Should read
    but basically you “can’t” call not believing something a religion

  103. FahKinSuPah:

    @godless

    “If I claimed that the universe was created by a mystical potatoes, and that I was a follower of Potatoeism.”

    I like that. I want to be a Potatoist. I’m going to form the First Church of Potato and i’m going to be the Grand Spud.

  104. FahKinSuPah:

    @oldschool

    “Still doesn’t explain why you have the arrogance to tell people what they believe is wrong.”

    You wanna know why I do it, but the real question is why do the christians do it?

  105. Godless:

    Fahk

    ” i’m going to be the Grand Spud.”

    LOL. .

  106. ncaissie:

    I say fuck religion. It was created by man to control other men.
    If you believe in god all the power to you. If not then good for you for not being a sucker!

  107. oldschool1987:

    Listen to you two fucking scum rat Nazi’s. Arrogant fucking losers who can’t handle people having faith, how about you two cunts go and make a gas chamber to kill all Christians you fucking morons. If i ever met wankers as ignorant as you randomly telling me my religion is wrong and God doesn’t exist, I would lay you both put with an uppercut. Pricks.

    “You wanna know why I do it, but the real question is why do the christians do it?”

    So you’re saying every single christian in the history of Christianity does it or just a few fanatics, like Muslims and Jews? If you are saying its all of them then link please.

  108. Godless:

    @ Oldie
    “Listen to you two fucking scum rat Nazi’s”

    Which two people are you addressing?

    LMAO at you attitude, typical ignorant theist. You can’t produce a single shred of evidence to support your belief in some bullshit faery story, so you resort to threats and violence.

    Yeah, that pretty much captures what religion is all about in a nutshell.

    How about you try and provide a logical reason as to why you choose to believe in your god.

    Is he all knowing, all powerful benevolent? is this your god Oldi?

    Or are you one of those people who is so clever they have dreamed up there own vision of god.

    Not like the gods we have now, but still the creator of all we behold, can’t wait to here about this one.

  109. oldschool1987:

    Wow you totally didn’t understand my point! Fuck me you’re as stupid as they get lol. I’m not religious, I’m not calling you Nazis because you don’t have a God. I’m calling you Nazis because you go around trying to convince people God doesn’t exist, it’s none of your fucking business what people believe. I don’t care if you don’t believe, I ain’t trying to convince you otherwise which is why you’re a total faggoty cunt. The fact is you’re as bad as the Jehovah Witnesses who go around trying to force their beliefs on people, you’re trying to tell people here that there is no god …why? What’s the fucking point? How fucking ignorant can one person get? If I was trying to force religion on you, you would be pissed off. Do you really think you’re so important that everyone has to believe what you believe?

    And seeing as you’re the one trying to force your beliefs on people then it falls to you to prove to me otherwise, because not once did I try to convince you one way or the other.

    I wonder if you grasp my point now, that I’m not religious, I just don’t appreciate Nazis like you trying to force their ideas on other people, like most fanatics. If you miss my point again then you’re just a prick and I have nothing more to say to trolls like you.

  110. FahKinSuPah:

    I love pissing off so called christians. Really makes my day ;D

  111. oldschool1987:

    And I’d react the same if a Christian was trying to tell me his is the only real God and that all other religions are false.

    Does that help you understand my point or is your head hurting from it? Does it make it easier for you to convince yourself that I’m a religious fanatic trying to force religion on people?

  112. Godless:

    ROFL.

  113. oldschool1987:

    Ha my last comment just fucking made Fahk look fucking retarded, goes to show it makes arguments easier if thu view me as having a religion. I have no religion, I’ve been to church in the Army as it was required. But if I had to choose a religion it would be Christianity simply for the fact it’s a Christian country. But I’m happy not having a religion.

    Go on, keep making yourselves look stupid please. It makes my day :D

  114. ncaissie:

    I’m no nazi. Lol I just believe there is a god. I don’t really care who does as long as they don’t try to push it on me. I tell my kids there is a god becease it makes people happy to think their love ones are in heavin when they die. I’ll let them deside for themselfs when they get older. They also go to a catholic school. I was just kidding about people who don’t believe. Lol

  115. oldschool1987:

    Not you ncaissie, that’s your right. But you ain’t trying to force your opinion on people. I see Godless ran away when I explained my point.

  116. jojo29:

    I don’t even want to touch this religious debate…

    But i will say this for the likes of Godless..

    IF religion is such ‘fairy’ tales…then why are out TOP PHYSICIST on the planet ACTUALLY looking to religion to explain the Big Bang Theory and who/what/WHOM (God) created it…

    THIS IS RECENT UP TO DATE CURRENT events! OUR TOP PHYSICISTS…you know the people that believe in SCIENCE…actually looking for a religious theory to explain..a scientific one…..

    ON TOP OF THAT, recent scientific trends are to LOOK INTO DIVINE INTERVENTION for possible theories and explanations for some of the stuff that goes on in our galaxy….

    Now, if these scientists, who believe in FACTS are looking into divine intervention to explain theories…believe in some type of divine being actually existing….

    Again just saying, do your fucking research before you open up your atheist mouth….its easy to point and laugh at the things your simple minds can’t understand…its A LOT harder to put faith in something you believe in..

    Im a god believing person…i ABSOLUTELY DO NOT believe in religion although my label is Catholic…why am i this way?

    Because religion can be twisted, corrupted and used for man’s own devices…look at the Middle Eastern part of the world..stupid shits going on HUNDREDS OF YEARS of war/violence just over disputes in religion…like it was brought up before every ‘religion’ EVEN ATHEISTS, have had their dark histories…

    For me, as long as you believe in God, its all gravy with me and we needn’t discuss any further details..If you don’t believe in God, more power to you…

  117. FahKinSuPah:

    “Ha my last comment just fucking made Fahk look fucking retarded, goes to show it makes arguments easier if thu view me as having a religion. I have no religion, I’ve been to church in the Army as it was required. But if I had to choose a religion it would be Christianity simply for the fact it’s a Christian country. But I’m happy not having a religion. ”

    You certainly throw a bitch fit like a christian.

    You claim you have no religion but you did go to church because it was “required” and you still believe in god, which you have been pointing out this whole time. What are you a closet christian?

  118. CarlB:

    “but basically you ‘can’t’ call not believing something a religion”

    This is why I already defined the term for the discussion as: “a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects”.

    In this regard atheism can be termed a religion.
    Your belief system is based upon the belief that there is no God/gods. Atheists now have churches, and even bibles. As with people of any other religion, some are more vocal or have a more defined set of beliefs, and some are independent of any church or literature.

    By refuting your earlier points, I have shown you that Atheists have committed crimes against humanity and have forced their religion upon others in the past and do so currently. In other words, they are just as capable as religious people.

    It you have accepted that, but have now moved on to how people who may have a belief in God or gods are less intelligent based upon IQ… which is actually quite interesting considering certain figures throughout history and even today.

    “I believe in Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.”

    I suppose you would find that the man who said this just has a lower IQ.

  119. CarlB:

    “It you have accepted that…”
    *It seems you have accepted that…*

  120. twilight:

    The thing about modern society is that people are free to believe in what they want to believe in. I don’t usually bother discussing politics or religion. Most people tend to follow the common masses or idiotic masses like cattle being led to the slaughter house.

  121. CarlB:

    As far as the masses are concerned, I think their religion is materialism.

  122. Barnabe Jones:

    “The thing about modern society is that people are free to believe in what they want to believe in…”

    Only if you’re lucky enough to live in a place that allows that. A large portion of the world doesn’t have that luxury.

  123. Barnabe Jones:

    I realize it’s fashionable to bash Christianity, but seriously… take a look at the world around you.

    Look at the atrocities committed recently in the name of other religions. Also look at the way peoples human rights have been totally violated in the name of other religions.

    Do you know what millions of Women endure in other countries the name of other religions?

    Wake up.

  124. ncaissie:

    I meant to say I don’t believe in god. Lol

  125. ncaissie:

    I agree BJ. It’s disgusting.

  126. oldschool1987:

    Jojo as you can see I was not discussing religion, I was just pointing out how arrogant people can be for saying they are wrong for having faith and it’s even worse when they start trying to prove it as well. People like that are scum.

    Fahks hate of Christianity makes me laugh, he hates that I’ve pointed out how arrogant and how similar they are to the likes of hitler so he labels me a Christian lmfao! Pathetic.

  127. The Future of Sega:

    You know it’s funny that all of you atheist and faith hating individuals make all of these false claims and disgusting remarks….when in actuality YOU are the ones that are filled with hate, darkness, and the void of this world. Just by mentioning the name Jesus sets you off like a rabid wolf in the wilderness.

    There’s power in the name of Jesus because He is the Son of God. The King of kings and Lord of Lords. No man comes unto the Father but by Him!

    How sad a day it will be when you (CarlB, G-less, Ncaissie, FahkinSupah, and every other atheist) wake up after death only to realize what me, Oldschool, and other God believing individuals have told was true.

    You guys can sit here and joke about it all you want…but in the end you will give an account for how you lived on Earth.

    For by grace are ye saved through faith. It is the gift of God, not of works, less any man should boast.

  128. The Future of Sega:

    You guys sound like angry bastards taunting and mocking the Creator of the Universe. GOD IS REAL!!!! HE IS THE BEGINNING AND THE END! GOD IS HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, AND ALMIGHTY!

    Some people call Him Yahweh, the Big Spirit in the Sky, Allah, I Am That I Am, Heavenly Father, Creator, and so on. Without God there would BE no Earth, no time, no technology, no life. It was GOD who gave you life in your mother’s womb! IT WAS GOD WHO MADE YOUR HEART BEAT AND ALLOWED YOU TO WAKE UP OUT OF YOUR SLEEP! IT WAS GOD WHO ALLOWED FOR YOUR BODY TO FUNCTION PROPERLY! IT WAS GOD WHO GAVE YOU THE CHOICE OF FREE WILL AND ALLOWS YOU TO BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WANT TOO.

    IT WAS GOD WHO CREATED THE SUN, MOON, AND STARS TO WATCH OVER US DURING THE DAY AND NIGHT! If it weren’t for God NO OF US would be here today! DON’T YOU FILTHY SCUMBAG BASTARDS EEEEEEEEEVERRRRRR USE THE LORD’S NAME IN VAIN AGAIN!!!!!

    If you have nothing good to say then DON’T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL! Shame on you guys and ALL atheist denying fucks of the world! I hope you all FUCK in Hell!!!!!

    Blessings,

    Saint Sega

  129. The Future of Sega:

    Tell me G-less, who the heck created the Earth? Things just don’t pop up out of nowhere without some force driving it. Oh waaaaait……it was the Big Bang Theory…sheeeesh I forgot. Asteroids, stars, monkeys, and dinosaurs just appearing in space out of nowhere.

    WOOOOOOOw that sounds so profound. FUCK YOUR ATHEISM CRAP!!!! ATHEISM IS WROOOOOOOOOONG, FAAAAAAAAAALSE, AND A COW FUCKING LIE!!!!!!! I piss on atheism and the wickedness of the world just like those dishonorable marines did to the Taliban. Yeah…I have no regard for evil or those who choose to believe in the false teachings of the world.

    Only a fool would say that God doesn’t exist. Just look all around you man, nature, the wind, trees, glaciers, the clouds, etc. You think Superman created all of that crap? Or was it Bill Nye The Science Guy who made the oceans and various animal creatures?

    Wrooooong……GOD created everything! And you can deny as much as you want. Fahkinsupah you need to turn off the tv, stop watching science experiments, and learn about the Lord in your own way…..NOT from online sources and other people’s opinion.

    I believe and obey the Lord because of my own free will, things I’ve seen and experienced on my own. If you guys are saying all of this crap because of what you heard or what some other atheist, tv station, or Youtube video told you then you guys are the true pathetic ones.

    And to make matters worse you guys are stereotyping an entire faith based on a few radical individuals. Hmmmmph….pathetic. Just keep your atheishit ass crap to yourselves.

    Don’t talk shit about Christianity, Jesus, God, and faith and we won’t talk bad about your cone head scientific views. If you want to die and be cast into damnation be my guest but don’t encourage other souls to go to hell with you.

    Just piss off, read an article and comment, and enjoy your life. You guys done PISSED me off…

  130. Godless:

    Carl
    ““I believe in Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.”
    I suppose you would find that the man who said this just has a lower IQ.”

    Carl as far as I can interpret spitzona’s god, it’s basically saying that the nature of reality is god.

    Does this “god” have a conciseness of it’s own? Or is it the god Einstein referred to on occasion, which was characterless, and was really just existance/laws of nature/physics,itself.

    Why bother, giving the nature of reality a name that implys a conciousness, and that somehow it has control over what’s happening.

    Is it not simpler to just accept that the nature of reality, is what it is, nothing more?

    jojo
    I have many books on Cosmology, and I’m more than aware of the metaphysical nature of the new theories, but none of them, and I do mean NONE of them claim there is a conciousness governing what happens, or even what happened at the beginning of time. there is the odd nutter out there making wild claims, usually because they are trying to keep god in the loop somehow. But history has shown that the god gap principle is a dangerous thing for religion, because in time science finds the answers, and god has less places to hide.

    our understanding of the universe as reached a point that we pretty much now the chain of events right back to a tiny fraction of a second before or universe came into existence, we don’t yet know the reasons, or even all of the mechanisms that cause things to be as they are, but we have most of the answers, and as with all science, it is only a matter of time until we have all the answers.

    I remember in my teens, coming to the conclusion, that if there was a god, it must have been what caused the big bang. From there on it had nothing more to do with the universe.
    Then I realised, that to explain god, just adds an unanswerable mystery to the whole equation, and that it was much more probable, that god simple didn’t exist. why create a god, in an attempt to provide the answer to what caused the big bang, when you end up with an even more difficult thing to explain:

    Where did god come from?

    I now believe that whatever caused the big bang, was a act of nature, for reasons we may never know, but hopefully, as our technology improves, for reasons we will come to understand.

    Carl, although I’m ok with people believing in the “nature is god thing”, I don’t think nature, or natural order of things can be termed a god, in the sense that most people think of a god with conciseness and will. it’s misleading, and in effect you can call anything you like god. .

  131. Godless:

    Sega dude
    “GOD created everything!”

    When do you think god create everything?
    please tell me you don’t believe in the genesis story from the bible.

    If so which version, as there are two different accounts of it.
    Have you even read the bible sega?

  132. Godless:

    Sega
    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/accounts.html

    I have a special edition of the king James bible, which has the words of Jesus in red, I have read around 3/4 of it in total, not in order, but as I wanted. much of what I haven’t read is just lists of names, and the boring bits that are of no consequence as the state nothing of worth (even to Christians)

    so on balance, I would say that I have read most of the meaningful parts of the bible (took almost 10 years on and off), and having done so I would say that the most powerful weapon against Christianity, is the bible itself. No sane individual could read it and not be horrified and bewildered by its content.

  133. oldschool1987:

    Still see you totally ignored my response. Did you feel stupid when I pointed out I weren’t arguing on the side of or against religion, just pointing out how much of a dick people can be by “forcing” their beliefs on other people (like you continue to do).

    I’m not exadurating when I compare you to Nazis. They didn’t like people having different beliefs as well. You’re also as bad as the fanatic Christian and Muslims who force their beliefs on people. Like them, you have no respect for what people choose to believe in, you think you have the right to tell people they’re wrong. It’s arrogant and fucking immature. You don’t believe in any religion or God? Then that’s absolutely fine! As long as you’re happy I respect that, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with not believing in a supernatural being, I wouldn’t dream of saying you’re wrong because I’m not a scummy prick. You need to learn some respect and keep your fucking mouth shut instead of acting like a fanatic and trying to prove what people believe in is false.

    Not only are you a stupid blind fanboy but you’re also a fanatical troll who can’t handle everyone not agreeing with your views.

  134. Godless:

    I think we have a closet Christian here.

    My first post is a response to Carl, and jojo, so has nothing to do with you.

    My second post is directed at Sega, following his sermon (not quiet sure if he’s joking) I would like to know why he thinks what he does.

    Now while you may think it’s ok to believe something to be a fact that is not a fact, I don’t.

    If Sega thinks god created the sun the planets and earth then all the lifeforms as per the bible, then he is wrong.

    This is not my view, This is a fact.

    the Christian bible would have us believe that the whole universe was created by Yahweh around 7000 years ago. now, I’m not sure of your level of understanding of the universe, but I’ll keep it simple and just say, Science has overwhelming indisputable empirical evidence to suggest that what the bible tells us is a crock of shit.

    I would like to know why Sega chooses to believe some stone aged writings, in favour of the facts.

    Go on oldi, argue that there not facts,

  135. Godless:

    they’re

  136. twilight:

    CarlB materialism is a mass chunk of it.
    Bj exactly. That’s why I tried to throw “modern” in because there are some places that don’t have that luxury.

  137. jojo29:

    Hey godless
    PROVE god doesnt exist and i will believe you…dont worry ill wait….see, it works both ways…

    And your are completely wrong about there being a consciousness governing bit….simply because you cannot prove otherwise…..and you must have not paying attention when i said THERE ARE ACTUAL TOP PHYSICIST out there RIGHT NOW figuring who and why started the big bang, with DIVINE INTERVENTION being at the forefront of their theories…..top theories at that..

    But i digress, i cant say your completely wrong, as i cannot prove to you God exists…but just the same, all your bitching and moaning about the bible cant change the FACT <—— lets say this again..THE FACT…now lets try it using a scientific term….THE FACT that you cannot prove God doesnt exist….

    Until either happens, shut the fuck up, your wrong, im wrong i dont really give a shit what you believe in, ill whoop your ass in SSF4, BF3 whether you believe in God or not, lets talk and stick eith games, i do not want to have to bring out links of the physicists im talking about only to have you question the validity…just like the xbots typically do…enough about God, he doesnt need you to believe, he believes in you….

    Or in your case…lets talk some games!

  138. Godless:

    jojo
    “THERE ARE ACTUAL TOP PHYSICIST out there RIGHT NOW figuring who and why started the big bang, with DIVINE INTERVENTION being at the forefront of their theories…..top theories at that..”

    Link please

    As for the prove god exists thing.
    It is the responsibility of those making the claim to prove the existence of whatever it is they are claiming.

    otherwise ever faery tail monster you could ever dream up is real until proven otherwise.
    Can you see the stupidity of that?

    What I can provide evidence for, is that most of the bible is wrong. Then you have to ask yourself, if the book accompanying the god is full of stone-age guesswork & utter bullshit, is it not highly probable that the god is too.

    SSF4 & BF3 Yeah, I don’t doubt you, but I bet I could kick your arse in Grid race driver, or any of the first 3 settlers games :D

  139. oldschool1987:

    It’s like you fail to understand what people are trying to say and argue against something completely different. Are you actually this stupid or you just know you have no argument against what I ACTUALLY said? It’s not about proof or no proof, I can’t prove God exists and you certainly can’t prove he does not but you try your hardest to convert people to your way of thinking …that’s a fact.

    My POINT is you’re trying to tell people what to believe and what not to believe, you even go one douchy step further by trying to explain with what you think are “facts”. You can’t respect peoples beliefs, you’re a low as they get my retarded little troll friend. You see some just mentioning god and you go off on one, most normal people with even the tiniest bit of respect would bite their tongue but you, like a good like Nazi go out your way to say they’re wrong and go an extra step of saying why it’s absurd.

    I’m not a closet Christian, I know it would make your argument easier if you were arguing with a religious man but your not so your argument fails. Also you keep arguing with me about how God is not real, not once have I tried to say he is or isn’t, it’s not my place to say he is or isn’t, my beliefs are my own and I won’t force them on anyone. So when you reply stop trying to convert me to your way of thinking, it’s not what my argument is about, for the last time it’s about how ignorant you are by trying to tell people God doesn’t exist, you might be right and you might be wrong but stop forcing it on people who actually do have a religion. I’m not arguing for religion or against it, what I am arguing against is the fanatics who try and tell people they’re wrong (you are a fanatic).

  140. jojo29:

    You are the only trying to “prove” God doesnt exist here, something established long ago, so no, you go ahead provide the proof and linksnto back your claims….im not shunning you for not believing your the one shunning those who do, you provide the evidence to support your claims, and as for my links, once i provide them, unless you can refute what is said you WILL stay quiet on the matter simply, because inhave to wait to go home and link my bookmarks..oh yes, i keep up with science my friend…

  141. The Future of Sega:

    “Sega dude
    “GOD created everything!”

    When do you think god create everything?
    please tell me you don’t believe in the genesis story from the bible.

    If so which version, as there are two different accounts of it.
    Have you even read the bible sega?”

    HAHAHA you must be joking right? Of COARSE I read and STILL READ the Bible and I believe that Genesis and the other books of the bible are true. And no there is not two versions of Genesis unless you’re relating to some Satanic cult quoting unholy passages from the followers of Lucifer.

    Although I don’t know the exact date but the Earth is somewhere around 30-50,000 thousand years old. Maybe if YOU would read the Bible you would know that approximately every 2,000 years something spectacular happened in the Bible.

    From the fall of man (Adam and Eve) to the Great Flood of Noah, from Noah to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, from father Abraham to the deliverance of the Children of Israel (the name given to Jacob by God) by Moses, and so on the Samson, David and Goliath, Shadrach Meshach and Abednego surviving the hot furnace with the Son of God, king Nebuchadnezzar being turned into a human beast with eagle claws and eating like an animal for seven years….Jonah and the whale, Zechariah….

    And then you move onto the new testament with the birth of John The Baptist (Jesus’ cousin), and then the birth of Emmanuel, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the life, ministry, death, and resurrection and ascension into Heaven.

    Now some of those events I mentioned do not follow the 2,000 year sequence but overall “approximately” every 2,000 years or so powerful events happened in the Bible.

    Till this day prophecy of the Bible is still being fulfilled. You can deny it all you want but here is some proof for you to read: http://www.aaronscopeland.com/bible_articles/bible_timeline.html, http://carm.org/bible-chronology-old-testament.

  142. oldschool1987:

    “As for the prove god exists thing.
    It is the responsibility of those making the claim to prove the existence of whatever it is they are claiming.”

    That would be the case if they were the ones trying to convert you, you would say “prove it” but seeing as your the one who is going around telling people theyre wrong for no reason then the responsibility falls to you to prove he does not. That’s how it works, I know you’ll say differently because your a troll and it will back you into a corner but there it is.

    And don’t just respond to this comment, make sure you read and understand my previous comment that I’m arguing for any one side, just hate douchy fanatics who force their views on the world …like you do and a lot of Christians and a hell of a lot of Muslims.

  143. The Future of Sega:

    G-less,

    You want proof? Then read the Bible for yourself and learn! You keep making all of these derogatory comments about God…and you don’t even know Him! Just turn off the tv, break away from your computer and Xbox games, and read the Bible for yourself without distractions.

    If the Lord was able to change the most hateful of people into born again believers He can do the same for you. I don’t know if you heard of Saul but he use to be a Christian persecutor….he murdered many born again believers until Jesus appeared to him one day…and changed his heart from his wicked ways…

    Saul’s name was soon changed to Paul and he became one of the most outspoken Gospel spreading Christians to the Eastern world. When you read the Word of God you’ll learn that God is a Spirit and can not be contacted through flesh and blood….but by His word and the power of the Holy Ghost.

    When you go to sleep, you’re spirit travels off to distant dreams…but your body is kept alive while you sleep. You believe that dreams are real and feel so real at times that you can’t tell the difference between that and physical reality….

    Well news flash man….there’s not just one reality. There is a spirit realm, a dream realm, and so on. Dreams alone should let you know that there’s more to this world besides physicality.

  144. The Future of Sega:

    Hey Oldschool,

    I agree with you man. I’m not trying to convert G-less, Fahkinsupah, and the other pack of atheist. I’m just pissed off that they’re going around insulting those of us who believe in God and making false accusations that our faith is pointless. They have NO right to do that!

    But it’s funny though that if this were a debate of Islam, Buddahism, or any other form of religion besides Christianity these guys would have no problem with it. It’s just when we mention the name Jesus and God that they flare off like a demon-possessed person.

  145. The Future of Sega:

    Well I’ve proven my point and given the material for you atheists to stop negatively judging those of us who believe in Christ. If you don’t want to believe that’s fine…no one here is going to force you. Just go about your way and speak no evil about the Lord.

    Unless you know Him you have nothing to say about Him. I’m done with this argument and have other articles to read. Have a good day now. :-D

  146. The Future of Sega:

    Forgive me but

  147. FahKinSuPah:

    @The Falacy of Sega

    “But it’s funny though that if this were a debate of Islam, Buddahism, or any other form of religion besides Christianity these guys would have no problem with it. It’s just when we mention the name Jesus and God that they flare off like a demon-possessed person.”

    OH yeah cause ya know that is we got into a conversation about some really idiotic people going crazy and rioting over a comic strip I would be totally ok with that.

    And who can say anything bad about buddhists? They are some of the coolest most peaceful people. Who couldn’t use inner peace in their lives? (I know a bunch of christians who certainly could use it) I thought about buddhism before but I think I have too much anger for that :D

  148. The Future of Sega:

    Forgive me but I missed your second quote G-less. What is it that you do not understand about the Bible? You mentioned that no one can read it and not be horrified and bewildered by it’s content….

    Waht? By the content of war, destruction, sin, and hatred of mankind? Those events quoted in the Bible were real. It’s nothing different than what we go through today. War in the middle east, plagues and sickness in Africa, corrupt politicians in the United States, the collapse of worldly economies filing for bailouts, these things were mentioned of thousands of years ago in the Bible before it even happened.

    Soon the world governments will unite and form a one world legislation. But right before that happens the gospel of Christ will have spread to the entire world so that everyone had a chance to hear the gospel of Christ. At that time the Lord will return to rapture the Church (those of us who believe in the Lord), the dead in Christ will rise first, and those of us who are alive will be caught in the air to be with the Lord forever.

    I’m sure some scientist will say that some aliens kidnapped us and zapped us into space but this is all prophecy. A false delusion will cloud the world with a lie and the those remaining of the Earth will believe it.

    After the rapture of the Church then the Anti-Christ will be revealed….Read the Bible and see for yourself. I’m sure you don’t believe a word that I’m saying so you just need to read it for yourself…

    But as I said before, I’m done arguing. This argument has outrun it’s course and I’m moving on.

  149. FahKinSuPah:

    “If the Lord was able to change the most hateful of people into born again believers He can do the same for you.”

    My best friends dad is a born again christian and believe me he is one of the biggest christian assholes I have ever met. Also he is a huge friggin hypocrit. He cheated on his wife and treated his family poorly. His wife was about to get a divorce and he “found god” (musta been hiding in the basement) and became a changed man. 4 years later he is a bigger asshole than ever and he still cheats on his wife.

  150. FahKinSuPah:

    “At that time the Lord will return to rapture the Church (those of us who believe in the Lord), the dead in Christ will rise first, and those of us who are alive will be caught in the air to be with the Lord forever. ”

    “After the rapture of the Church then the Anti-Christ will be revealed….Read the Bible and see for yourself. I’m sure you don’t believe a word that I’m saying so you just need to read it for yourself…”

    This is one of the BIGGEST jokes I have ever heard.

  151. The Future of Sega:

    @ FakhinSupah

    Hmmmph…you just proved my point again. Loud mouth arrogant atheist who just can’t keep his trap shut. The only idiotic people going crazy is YOU and your other knuckle head trash talking atheists. Lmao you know the funny thing is all of the condemned souls in Hell right now are laughing at you right because they know you’ll end up just where they are.

    Satan must be getting a kick out of your foolishness….need I remind you that Lucifer was once God’s top angel until he became a FOOL!!!….and took his power for grant-it. But like I say….there’s plenty of room in Hell for atheists. ;-)

    And no Hell is not the final place for the wicked, it’s only temporary. Once everyone has been judged then death and Hell will be cast into the Lake of Fire where all of you atheist God denying fuck shits can suffer for all of eternity with torment, memories of opportunities you had to give your heart to God, fear, and every frightful dark wicked thought and imagination!

    It doesn’t sound to good to be you buddy. ;-) Denying something that is so free, pure, and holy…only to enjoy an emotion that will lead you to eternal darkness and despair. Sad….

  152. FahKinSuPah:

    @Sega

    How do you know heaven or hell exists? When is the last time someone came back from either place? When you die you aren’t supposed to come back so… I take it that it never happened.

    You do realize that people like me enjoy pissing off people like you? I guess since you got so pissed off then satan must have won huh?

  153. FahKinSuPah:

    “It doesn’t sound to good to be you buddy. Denying something that is so free, pure, and holy…only to enjoy an emotion that will lead you to eternal darkness and despair. Sad….”

    According to Potatoism I am free to feel whatever I want and it has no eternal consequences like what you claim. The Great Potato has said so :D

  154. The Future of Sega:

    “My best friends dad is a born again christian and believe me he is one of the biggest christian assholes I have ever met. Also he is a huge friggin hypocrit. He cheated on his wife and treated his family poorly. His wife was about to get a divorce and he “found god” (musta been hiding in the basement) and became a changed man. 4 years later he is a bigger asshole than ever and he still cheats on his wife.”

    We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. Yes we still sin but we strive to be like the Lord. It is a daily struggle between the flesh and spirit. You got understand Fahkin that sin is in our nature as human beings…since the fall of man of Adam and Eve.

    For the wages of sin is death. But the gift of God (Jesus Christ) is eternal life. Without Christ we are still trapped in sin and doomed for eternal separation from the Lord. That’s why Jesus died on the cross for ALL OF OUR SINS that we may have a chance to be Him in eternity.

    “This is one of the BIGGEST jokes I have ever heard.”

    The joke is on you pal. You haven’t even read it and you’re making a fool of yourself. Please….stop making yourself look foolish. When you read the Bible and learn the Word then you can come back and talk to me.

  155. FahKinSuPah:

    “since the fall of man of Adam and Eve. ”

    Adam and Eve… another funny christian joke. Eve wasn’t the first woman either. There was another before here but things didn’t work out between her and Adam.

    Also another part of that joke was that god created woman to be equal to mankind but of course look how that turned out over the years

  156. The Future of Sega:

    “How do you know heaven or hell exists? When is the last time someone came back from either place? When you die you aren’t supposed to come back so… I take it that it never happened.

    You do realize that people like me enjoy pissing off people like you? I guess since you got so pissed off then satan must have won huh?”

    Tell me asshole do you have dreams? Are THEY REAL? If you weren’t so pig headed you would know there is more to this world besides science and physicality! I believe because of things I saw and been through on my own. And I could care less that you enjoy making yourself look stupid because only an idiot would insult something that he knows nothing about.

    You call us hyprocrites when you’re the one stereotyping an entire faith. No the real problem is YOU pal. So fuck off!!

    “According to Potatoism I am free to feel whatever I want and it has no eternal consequences like what you claim. The Great Potato has said so :D

    The day you stop breathing will be the day you start believing. My words were sting you like a scorpion when your soul is consumed in damnation. Laugh all you want…you’re just like the people during Noah’s time who laughed and made fun of Noah and his family when they were building the Ark. And when they least expected it the Flood came through and destroyed them all.

  157. FahKinSuPah:

    If Noah and his family were the only ones who survived the flood wouldn’t that be one big case of incest? Who did they mate with after the flood? Was Noah and his family from arkansas or something?

  158. The Future of Sega:

    “Adam and Eve… another funny christian joke. Eve wasn’t the first woman either. There was another before here but things didn’t work out between her and Adam.

    Also another part of that joke was that god created woman to be equal to mankind but of course look how that turned out over the years”

    Why don’t you shut the fuck up. If you have nothing good or respectful to say about Christianity and the Bible THEN DON’T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL ASSHOLE!!! I told you…sin is what made the world how it is today. And NO Eve was the first woman created by God from man (Adam’s rib cage).

    Don’t believe me then read Genesis for yourself. Still don’t believe then shut up, fuck off, and keep your disrespectful comments to yourself.

  159. FahKinSuPah:

    You really dont get it

    Lilith was created at the same time as Adam and she was his first wife, but she refused to be subservient to him.

  160. The Future of Sega:

    “If Noah and his family were the only ones who survived the flood wouldn’t that be one big case of incest? Who did they mate with after the flood? Was Noah and his family from arkansas or something?”

    You think you’re funny and cute eh? Hey Fahkhead tell me…what is so ironic about atheist?…They’re always talking about God. :-)

    Why are atheist funerals so sad?….Because the person is all dressed up with no place to go. :-)

    How many atheists does it take to screw in a light bulb?….None. They’re already enlightened. :-)

    LMAO! :-D

  161. The Future of Sega:

    “You really dont get it

    Lilith was created at the same time as Adam and she was his first wife, but she refused to be subservient to him.”

    Adam and Eve were the father and mother of mankind. Fail :-)

  162. FahKinSuPah:

    Thats not the point. The point was the Eve was not the first woman, Lilith was. And its kinda funny that she was Adam’s first wife. I guess even back then people got divorced huh? But I though divorce wasn’t aceptable way back when?

  163. The Future of Sega:

    Ok come back to reality Fahkin…Adam were the first human beings. I think you watched too much of Power Rangers and have your facts all screwed up. Again…fail. ;-)

  164. The Future of Sega:

    Adam “and Eve”…sorry brain fart. I have a joke for you Supah. :-D

    The story is told of the Atheist who accosted a preacher…

    “Do you believe in eternal life?”

    The preacher has no time to reply.

    “Well its a load of rubbish!” shouted the Atheist. “I believe in science, evolution, survival of the fittest, and when we die, that’s it! No eternal life, no great judgment, and no God!” The Atheist continues his assault against the preacher repetitiously and tirelessly. “Eternal life! Eternal life! Ha! “Its all pie in the sky when you die.” When I die that’s it, the end, no eternal life, no nothing. He continues, until he reaches his climax, “I will be buried six feet under when I die and that’s it! Nothing! Caput! When I die I am utterly convinced that that will be the end of me!”

    “Well thank God for that,” replies the preacher!

  165. FahKinSuPah:

    Nothing wrong with my facts about Eve and Lilith. You just refuse to see the truth. And you act like I’m the one who is blind.

    I guess you would also like to deny the fact that most, if not all, christian holidays have basis in pagan religion?

  166. The Future of Sega:

    :-D

    Are there any other atheist who would like to get owned by Saint Sega? :-D

  167. The Future of Sega:

    ATHEISTS HATE THE TRUE GOD, NOT THE FALSE ONES

    QUESTION:

    Where did you get the idea atheists hate God? How can you say something doesn’t even exist, and hate it at the same time?

    ANSWER:

    That question is another example of the deception of atheism and how it deceives all its subjects. All atheists think in this deceptive manner. They think since they deny the existence of God, they cannot hate Him. But its really the other way around: they know He exists, that’s why they hate Him. It is true that you cannot truly hate someone who does not exist. However atheists rationalize that the only existence of God is the “false god” professing Christians have devised and that’s what they deny exists. It is true that false or nominal professing christians can devise false gods of their imagination. However, the one and only true God nevertheless exists apart from any god of the imagination. It is this true God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth – the God that is not a god of the imagination – whose existence atheists also deny, and it is this true God that they as well as all unregenerate mankind HATE.

  168. FahKinSuPah:

    @Sega

    My are you easily decieved. First you think that god exists then you think you owned me. You might want to go see a shrink. Next you will be seeing little pink elephants

  169. The Future of Sega:

    ATHEISTS CREATE CRIMINAL SOCIETIES

    Have you ever noticed this fact: Atheists claim they do not believe in the existence of God MOST HIGH, their CREATOR. They also claim they do not believe in the existence of the chief of the fallen angels, namely, satan. However, 100% of their negative comment and fight is directed towards God. They never have a negative comment, nor do they wage war against their true master. So we challenge atheists to assess the true ramifications of these awful facts. Why are they compelled to spend so much effort denying the existence of God and fighting against Him as opposed to zero percent directed towards satan.

    The answer should be quite apparent to all: It is because atheists are committing terrible, terrible crimes in the sight of God. They are doing the devil’s will. In other words, they are breaking God moral laws and are great sinners before God. If the Law of God was properly established throughout the american society and the world community, all atheists would be condemned – many to death because of their death worthy crimes and because true justice would then rule. So they must do all they can to save their necks. Even the most “educated” of them are high criminals who are compelled to always look over their shoulders at pursuing righteous justice.

    America and the world community are in the terrible state they are in mainly because of atheists. The reasons should be apparent here also. It is because atheists who are high criminals before God govern america and the world. The ramifications of this fact are: when there is a society and world full of criminals, in order for them to feel safe in the world while they continue in their criminality, they must make the society and the world criminal. In other words, they must corrupt and obstruct the proper moral workings of government. In america, this means they must establish deep-pocketed heathen special interests groups to propose pagan legislation against God’s morality, truth and righteousness. This means the removal of laws of justice and righteousness and the establishing of unrighteous laws and injustice to suite their evil philosophies, lifestyles and in order to save their necks.

    Atheists hate God because they cannot survive happily and peacefully in a righteous society. The reason that is so is because they are servants of satan and thus high criminals in the sight of God.

  170. FahKinSuPah:

    “ATHEISTS CREATE CRIMINAL SOCIETIES”

    Thats pretty funny. Last time I checked pretty much every politician in the US was christian.

  171. The Future of Sega:

    PROOF ATHEISTS DELIBERATELY REJECT GOD

    A fundamental principle of God’s creation is: The total amount of matter and energy in God’s creation always remains the same. Matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed by any of God’s creatures or by any part of His creation.

    The principle we cited in the above paragraph is known and embraced by atheistic science. It is fundamental to what scientists know about chemical reactions. Man has tried to create and destroy matter, but he is only able to effect chemical changes or reactions. After effecting the chemical reactions the atoms God created are preserved. This preservation of the atoms has been labeled as the “Conservation of Mass Law.” Since the atoms are preserved during and after the chemical reactions, the products of the reactions are none other than chemical equations.

    My point in making mention of these facts is to show that atheistic scientists and the so-called “learned upper class” understand the “Conservation of Mass Law.” But they refuse to perceive its obvious ramifications about the existence Of God. For example:

    1. Matter cannot be created by any thing, any creature nor by any rational creature. That fact eliminates every part of God creation as having the ability to create matter. Principle #1: No part of God’s creation can create.

    2. After eliminating every part of God’s creation, including the most powerful and intelligent creatures as being unable to create, we may ask if matter can bring itself into being from its own nonexistence. But by asking that question, we find that we are asking a very insane question, because that which does not exist cannot create since there is nothing in existence to bring anything into existence. A fundamental principle of creation that atheists have never learned is that in order for matter to be brought into being, its creator must already be in existence. An existence of some type must already be in existence in order to give existence to a thing which has no existence. Principle #2: When there’s nothing in existence, nothing can be brought into existence. Why is it necessary for a layman to explain this fact to scientists?

    3. Therefore it is right to conclude that God existed before any other thing existed, and He therefore created all matter and everything else that exists. (Proverbs 3:19-20). Those who foolishly deny that fact can but foolishly attribute matter’s existence to that which they clearly know could not have created it. But that is exactly what atheists do. Therefore it is clear to see that atheism is a deliberate denial of the existence of God – a refusal to admit His existence even in the midst of overwhelming proof of His existence.

    As we stated earlier, matter also cannot be destroyed by any part of God’s creation. So how could matter, which DID NOT exist at some point, give itself existence, and in addition, an indestructible existence, while that which DOES exist (God’s creation) cannot give existence to matter and cannot destroy it? This is giving that which had no existence power to create itself while in its nonexistent state , while that which DOES exist and does have power does not have the power to create matter and does not have the power to destroy it. Thus we clearly perceive how utterly ludicrous is atheism in its denial of God.

    Principle #3: God is the One who created matter (Genesis 1:1), and He’s the only One who can destroy it (2 Peter 3:10-11).

  172. The Future of Sega:

    Guess Who The Computer Hackers Are

    Guess who the malicious computer hackers or crackers are who break into government and two out of three company computers – who produce computer viruses and Trojans, denial of service attacks against Internet Service Providers and who send hate mail, spam and E-mail bombs. You got it! Its mostly atheists.

    Malicious atheist hackers costs the america’s citizens billions of dollars in taxes for computer security. It is said that american companies spent almost $6.3 billion on computer security in 1997 and the market is expected to grow to 13 billion by 2000. In September 1998, atheistic hackers struck their own atheistic ally, the New York Times.

    Who do atheists have to protect their own computers from? Guess who! When it comes to computer crimes, its never difficult to identify the people who commit them. ATHEISTS and other non believers!

  173. The Future of Sega:

    GOD’S INFINITY PROVES HIS EXISTENCE

    At least one principle must be understood and kept in mind when trying to understand certain of God’s incomprehensible attributes: the finite is always confounded by its inability to fully comprehend the infinite.

    God is the infinite God. Nothing or no one created Him and He has no father or mother. He is without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life. He is the almighty God, and since He is so, there can be no one greater than Him. No one brought Him into existence.

    It is impossible for finite minds to understand how God can exist without having a beginning. When atheists and other non believers try to consider God, they try to make the facts about Him fit within their limited capacity to comprehend and understand. They do not want to believe that there is more of God than their minds can contain and comprehend. The endeavor to fully understand God is like trying to place the infinite One into a finite space; that is impossible.

    In order to try to make sense of the infinite things about God, they relate God to things they think they understand, and so, they tend to view God according to finite things or as if He were a man or some creature. But since the nature of finitness doesn’t fit infinite attributes, or since that which fit creatures doesn’t fit the Creator, they mistakenly take what applies to creatures and their inability to comprehend God as proof that He doesn’t exist.

    In no other area do heathens do this except with God. They are willing to believe there are aliens in the universe somewhere without proof. But with as much proof as humans can comprehend about God, which is quite overwhelming, they nevertheless deny the reality of God’s existence.

    The fact that finite minds cannot fully comprehend how God exists without having a beginning does not nullify His existence. The reality of the existence of God is not contingent upon our understanding of it. When finite minds find themselves puzzled, confused or confounded about any part of God’s existence that’s beyond their ability to comprehend, that is proof of God’s surpassing greatness. Therefore the inability and the confusion are only normal effects of the finite trying to comprehend He who is eternally greater. Finite minds would have to be infinite to fully understand God. Or to say it better: we would have to be God ourselves in order to fully understand Him. But no one has the capacity to fully understand God but God alone.

    Let it also be pointed out that the infinity of God proves His existence and that He is not a god created by the imagination of creatures. Since the minds of creatures are finite, they are only capable of devising a god of the imagination that fit within the confines of their finite imagination. The finite mind cannot create a god of the imagination that’s beyond its own capacity to comprehend. It would not create a god it is confused, puzzled and confounded about. Since God is beyond the ability of finite minds to comprehend, He cannot be the product of finite minds.

  174. The Future of Sega:

    FAKE “CHRISTIANITY” IS NOT A JUSTIFIABLE EXCUSE

    Why would I, who once was an hard core atheist, turn from atheism to CHRISTIANITY – the very thing I once hated with a passion? Well let me tell you why: Although 99.9% of people who profess to be Christians are none other than nominal professors and are therefore none other than hypocrites, somehow I am able to see beyond that fact. I can see that God is nevertheless real, Christ is real, His Holy Spirit is real, His word is indeed true, there are some, but very, very few genuine, non hypocritical Christians, and our responsibility to God is REAL. If you are an atheist, please do not make the terrible mistake of using false “christians” as an excuse to refuse to carry out your responsibilities to God.

  175. oldschool1987:

    Sega if they don’t want to believe in Christianity then don’t force it on them man, it makes you as bad as them. It’s their choice.

    They should do the same. No one should be forcing their beliefs on anyone, they should respect everyone’s beliefs. It’s what the United Feseration of Planets lives by …oh wait, that’s Star Trek.

  176. The Future of Sega:

    ATHEISTS PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD BY THEIR OWN LABEL

    GOOD MORNING CLASS: Today I would like to direct your attention to a principle we have labeled: “PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF GOD BY TRYING TO DISPROVE IT.

    In everything atheists do in their denial of GOD, they nevertheless prove His existence. For example: Pick up your dictionaries and look up the meaning of the word “infidelity.” We all know what this word means when we apply it to marriage. It means to be disloyal in heart and deed by turning from your legally married partner to commit the death worthy act of adultery with another.

    The concept of “infidelity” always presupposes the EXISTENCE of a spouse the unfaithful one has legal marital obligations to. There can be no such thing as “infidelity” when the spouse doesn’t exist. Therefore the unfaithful one proves the existence of his spouse simply by his infidelity to his marital obligations.

    In relation to the above facts, it should be clear how atheists prove the existence of God. Many of them label themselves as “INFIDELS.” But their blindness prevent them from realizing how appropriate a label they have given themselves and how it really effectively establishes what they have set out to disprove.

    To be an “infidel” proves the existence of God. The word has no real meaning if God doesn’t exist. The absence of God destroys the concept of being an infidel. The word should not be rationalized to be a misnomer. The only reason the concept exists is because God exists. Just as a man hates his spouse and turns his affections to another woman and commits the act of adultery with her, so atheists turn from their rightful Creator and turn their affections to satan, the world and their flesh. And just as the unfaithful husband denies to his adulteress that he is married and swares he does not have a wife, so too, atheists in their infidelity to God deny His existence and their ever binding legal responsibilities to Him.

    All mankind originally became infidels in the first man Adam when they fell from their created state of purity in which God originally created them. Once they are born into the world, they continue the process of infidelity throughout their own lives unless they are fortunate to come to their senses and turn back to God – their first love.

    The principle and concept of the word infidel is found throughout the Holy Bible. The word can also be found in 2 Corinthians 6:15 and 1 Timothy 5:8. Please take the time to check out the Greek word and how the Holy Spirit employs its meaning.

    CLASS DISMISSED

  177. The Future of Sega:

    You’re right Oldschool….I was just getting annoyed that they keep insulting God and my faith. Well for all of you atheist go to http://www.tencommandments.org/heathens2.html and read. I will entertain this foolishness no more.

  178. FahKinSuPah:

    “Sega if they don’t want to believe in Christianity then don’t force it on them man, it makes you as bad as them. It’s their choice. ”

    Thats just the problem. Christians cant help but force their religion on others. They are made to believe that it is helping people when really it is seldom the case.

  179. FahKinSuPah:

    Sega

    Since you want to be such a good little christian you can answer my question.

    How do you feel about gay people?

  180. oldschool1987:

    “Thats just the problem. Christians cant help but force their religion on others.”

    Exactly the same as Muslims (which are worst for it) and Athiests (like you and Godless). Don’t be under any illusions Fahk, you’re forcing you beliefs (or lack of) on people. You’re a hypocrite.

    “How do you feel about gay people?”

    You bring them up a lot Fahk, something you wanna tell us? It’s ok Fahk, you’re among friends here lol (by the way I’m actually just having a laugh with you about this, just incase you decide to insult me back :p).

  181. FahKinSuPah:

    @oldie

    Make no mistake, i’m not trying to force anyone to change religions for me.

    I’m not gay. I’m tri-sexual. I will try anything once. Maybe twice if i like it :D

    Have your girlfriend massage your prostate while she goes down on you. Trust me when I say you will probably enjoy it :D

  182. FahKinSuPah:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostate_massage

  183. oldschool1987:

    Ooooooooookaay then, random! Lmao

  184. dans303:

    Shame I didn’t see this thread earlier but I completely agree with Godless on this. He pretty much made all the points I would’ve made.

    Anyway, George Carlin pretty much clears up this whole thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

    Oh, Jojo and Sega, about proving that God doesn’t exist:

    “What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence” – Chistopher Hitchens

  185. oldschool1987:

    You agree that non believers should be forcig believers to their point of view then? Arrogant.

  186. ncaissie:

    God, I can’t wait to get my vita! ;)

  187. dans303:

    I believe that the British Army is full of weak and cowardly people. Would it be arrogant of you to try and change my view on this?

  188. CarlB:

    “How sad a day it will be when you (CarlB, G-less, Ncaissie, FahkinSupah, and every other atheist)”

    I never said I was an atheist.

    “Does this ‘god’ have a conciseness of it’s own?”

    I believe you meant “consciousness” here. If so, that’s a great question. Other beings are conscious of me, and I of them, so I think it could be considered to be “conscious”.

    “Or is it the god Einstein referred to on occasion, which was characterless, and was really just existance/laws of nature/physics,itself”

    Until we know all things it is sufficient to say “a higher power” (more powerful than us/out of our present total control) which we do not know completely (yet).

    “Why bother, giving the nature of reality a name that implys a conciousness, and that somehow it has control over what’s happening”

    Perhaps it is beyond our present human labels, perceptions, and categories. We are talking about omnipotence after all. It was here before us and may well be here after us, and we have only just scratched the surface of it’s mysteries. The tsunami in Japan certainly had control over the people it was affecting, not vice versa.

    “Is it not simpler to just accept that the nature of reality, is what it is, nothing more?”

    If your aim is simplicity, then why bother with scientific (or even religious) explanations at all? We are curious by nature, and there is no single set definition of “God” for everyone, nor does there have to be.

    “we have most of the answers”

    You have what you think are answers, until they are disproven as similar “answers” by science have been in the past. The remaining are simply discoveries of what already existed and ensuing manipulation of matter.

    Do you really think we have “most” of the answers?
    In considering this, I would reflect on how little of the universe we have physically explored, how many people are suffering unnecessarily in the world today, how little mastery we have over ourselves as individuals and as a whole, the mistakes that are still made today by our governments, and how we can’t yet control or know everything that happens within a small town, let alone a single state, country, or this planet.

    “and as with all science, it is only a matter of time until we have all the answers”

    Unless we are wiped out by a meteor/ELE. So much for “most of the answers” then. Even if you had the answer to stopping universal entropy you would still need the means to accomplish such a feat. That would take some time indeed. We have a long way to go.

    “if there was a god, it must have been what caused the big bang… why create a god, in an attempt to provide the answer to what caused the big bang, when you end up with an even more difficult thing to explain”

    I would suggest reading “God’s Debris” by Scott Adams, “The Last Question” by Isaac Asimov, and “A Chosen Faith” by John A. Buehrens and Forrest Church. As you learn and reflect more you naturally discover more that you do not know and end up with things that are even more difficult to explain.

    “I don’t think nature, or natural order of things can be termed a god, in the sense that most people think of a god with conciseness and will. it’s misleading, and in effect you can call anything you like god.”

    I think it can be termed God when considered as a whole, as did Einstein and Spinoza. If you can perceive and be perceived there is consciousness (“perception”). You are part of the whole, and it part of you. If something exists it has will (“A fixed and persistent intent or purpose”), and that is to exist.

    It is only misleading if you do not understand it. We can call anything we like god or science. We can call god science and science god. The key is learning, openness, understanding, and acting in harmony with God (Nature, science, unknown, etc.) and each other.

    “When do you think god create everything?”

    I don’t know. Was there something before the Big Bang? If so, what was it, how long was it there for, what came before it, and so on.

    “the most powerful weapon against Christianity, is the bible itself. No sane individual could read it and not be horrified and bewildered by its content.”

    Somehow I was not horrified or bewildered by its content, but then again I understood it to be a combination of allegory with some history, not absolutely literal, even as a child. The same can be said for most religious texts. Fanatics (atheist and christian) tend to take it out of context.

    “the Christian bible would have us believe that the whole universe was created by Yahweh around 7000 years ago. now, I’m not sure of your level of understanding of the universe, but I’ll keep it simple and just say, Science has overwhelming indisputable empirical evidence to suggest that what the bible tells us is a crock of shit.”

    And Aristotle would have us believe that the Earth was the center of the universe. Suffice it to say both science and our ideas of religion have advanced since then.

    “Stone-aged writings…”

    It was actually the Iron-Age when the Old Testament is thought to have been written. These writings still contain wisdom, whether they be the Bible or Aristotle.

    “…in favour of the facts.”

    Wisdom goes beyond simple facts.
    The Bible is meant to provide wisdom, not facts.

    “Link please”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science#Living

    “otherwise ever faery tail monster you could ever dream up is real until proven otherwise.
    Can you see the stupidity of that?”

    How would you be able to distinguish between a sufficiently advanced alien (or alien technology) and a “faery tail monster” if it was beyond your science’s capability of doing so?

    “My best friends dad is a born again christian and believe me he is one of the biggest christian assholes… 4 years later he is a bigger asshole than ever and he still cheats on his wife.”

    So? You could replace “born again Christian” with “scientist”, “christian” with “science”, and “found god” with “found science” and still come up with the same result. Judging everyone within a belief system, organization, or country based upon the mistakes/flaws of a few is illogical.

    “If Noah and his family were the only ones who survived the flood wouldn’t that be one big case of incest?”

    How many monkeys evolved into neanderthals at the same time in the same place? I suppose incest is another IQ thing, which is why an Ivy League Professor was charged with committing incest the year before last.

    h**p://abcnews.go.com/Health/switzerland-considers-legalizing-consensual-incest-columbia-professor-accused/story?id=12395499#.TxXoVKVSRL4

  189. oldschool1987:

    “I believe that the British Army is full of weak and cowardly people. Would it be arrogant of you to try and change my view on this?”

    If that’s what you think then fair enough but there’s actual proof showing that the British Military is the best trained armed forces in the world. Not just that but also trained a lot longer than other armies. Our infantry for example trains longer than American Marines, this is proven with facts and is not a religious debate. Religion there is no proof either way and to try and disprove or prove it to people who have their own beliefs is pathetic and weak and I have no respect for anyone who does this.

  190. dans303:

    It’s obvious I don’t actually believe that OS. If you’re so set on not enforcing your beliefs onto other people you may as well stop posting to this site.

    “Religion there is no proof either way”

    Come again?

  191. oldschool1987:

    It’s not a belief because it’s not based on faith or supernatural beings, it’s something that can be backed up with proof. Religion and faith is something that brings people comfort, people who don’t believe find comfort that they are in control of their own life, I would never try and change people’s opinion.

    I have no idea how you can compare Military training to faith.

  192. oldschool1987:

    There is no proof either way on religion, in other words there’s no proof proving there is a God and there is no proof saying there is not. It’s purely down to faith.

  193. jojo29:

    Carlb…bravo lol

    Now can we get back to how much owning a 360 is gonna suck this year is gonna be? I mean honestly…what games are coming out worth getting excited for…

  194. CarlB:

    “I have no idea how you can compare Military training to faith.”

    I do. In the military there are fanatics, and some forms of brainwashing do exist. It can be a highly regimented organization that puts you in a position to do things you normally would not. Some people have unflinching faith in their leaders, others not so much. That said, not everyone is crazy or brainwashed in the military, as not everyone is crazy or brainwashed in the Atheist or Christian churches.

    “It’s purely down to faith.”

    True. Atheists have faith that God does not exist. Christians have faith God does exist. They both could be right, and they both could be wrong, at least when considering quantum physics and the lack of a theory of everything.

    Agnostics believe we simply don’t have enough knowledge yet to be certain either way, so we don’t deny the possibility of such an entity existing. One could say this is a lack of faith, then again I would say that I do have faith in a higher power that could be represented by the terms of science and or God and that there is wisdom within religious texts.

  195. CarlB:

    “I mean honestly…what games are coming out worth getting excited for…”

    Mulitplats. There is enough quality ones coming out that one doesn’t even need to be concerned with exclusives.

    http://www.mcvuk.com/retail-biz/release-dates/xbox-360

    Here are just a few I’m personally excited about:

    Kingdoms of Amalur
    Mass Effect 3
    Tomb Raider
    BioShock Infinite
    Darksiders 2
    Borderlands 2
    Ninja Gaiden 3
    SSX

  196. CarlB:

    “Mulitplats.”

    Mulletplats… I mean multiplats :D

  197. oldschool1987:

    Carl, you changed your mind about the Vita yet mate? I’ve paid for mine already off shopto.net and the 16GB memory card, I’ll grab Uncharted on release day or order it nearer the time.

    Does anyone know if you can play PS3 games on the go? Just thinking how amazing it would be to play Skyrim on the move.

  198. CarlB:

    No, too many games coming out on home consoles, and I’m not traveling like I used to. After enough MC 90+ reviewed games and a price drop I may reconsider.

  199. The Future of Sega:

    “Thats just the problem. Christians cant help but force their religion on others. They are made to believe that it is helping people when really it is seldom the case.”

    Whoever said that I was forcing you to believe what I believe? No I was defending my faith against your false obnoxious remarks. God forgive me but I could care less if you believe in Him as only the righteous deserve to be in the presence of the Lord. If you have the nerve to speak blasphemy and evil of the Lord then maybe you don’t deserve God’s free grace…but that’s why I’m glad God is God and I am not. Because I would not be that fair with evil individuals.

    I try to be but it is hard and a struggle. God said to be angry and sin not. Sometimes I can be angry and sin not but other times people push me past the limit and I react…just like now. I have zero tolerance for anyone who disrespects Christianity and knows nothing about it.

    I’m not perfect but that’s why I ask God for forgiveness. Now in terms of gay people I have nothing personally against them. Although their lifestyle offends me and is sickening I have no personal quarrel or vendetta against them. The only time I would have a problem with someone is if they do something or say something directly to me to piss me off.

    Now let me reverse the script, what do you think about gays Fahkin?

  200. The Future of Sega:

    Once again the atheist cock roaches come crawling out of the wall. You squash one and another comes crawling out to spew it’s filth everywhere. Your link proves nothing Dans and your religious judgment has already been owned by my previous posts. Maybe if you and your heathen gang would sit back and shut your ass for once…and read the damn proof I written above and the Bible then you would have nothing to say. :-D

    And just to own you at your own quote, read this:

    A man can no more diminish God’s glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, ‘darkness’ on the walls of his cell. -C.S. Lewis

    The real attitude of sin in the heart towards God is that of being without God; it is pride, the worship of myself, that is the great atheistic fact in human life. -Oswald Chambers

    If there is no God, then all that exists is time and chance acting on matter. If this is true then the difference between your thoughts and mine correspond to the difference between shaking up a bottle of Mountain Dew and a bottle of Dr. Pepper. You simply fizz atheistically and I fizz theistically. This means that you do not hold to atheism because it is true , but rather because of a series of chemical reactions… … Morality, tragedy, and sorrow are equally evanescent. They are all empty sensations created by the chemical reactions of the brain, in turn created by too much pizza the night before. If there is no God, then all abstractions are chemical epiphenomena, like swamp gas over fetid water. This means that we have no reason for assigning truth and falsity to the chemical fizz we call reasoning or right and wrong to the irrational reaction we call morality. If no God, mankind is a set of bi-pedal carbon units of mostly water. And nothing else.
    -Douglas Wilson

    Hmmmp..owned. :-D Good will always trump evil. :-D :-D Evil never has and never will stand a chance against the righteous Almighty God! :-D

  201. The Future of Sega:

    CarlB,

    The point is not whether God exist or not. It’s the fact that everytime atheist have something derogatory and disrespectful to say about God, Christians, Jesus Christ, and anyone who even mentions or acknowledges that they are a Christian. THAT is why this whole debate started.

    Let’s face it atheist can’t even name 5 things positives about God, the Bible, Jesus, and Christianity. Why? Because their hearts are filled with darkness, sin, and the wickedness of the Devil.

    Not once did you atheists have anything bad or disrespectful to say about the Devil, demons, and his wickedness. You know why? Because they all worship him!

    Maybe not bowing down and going to graveyard cult assemblies but spewing the filth of their mouths against the Almighty God they are glorifying the Devil and his fallen angels. You guys are tools. :-)

    No force or power compares to the Lord!!!!!! God is eternal and almighty!!

  202. CarlB:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3mDLsyn6ns

  203. Godless:

    ^^ link above: really depressing that there are still people like this in such an advanced species. My hope for humanity always takes a nose dive when I see stuff like this.

    Carl
    “I never said I was an atheist.”

    Doesn’t matter, as far as Sega is concerned, you don’t believe in the correct god, therefore your dammed.

    Carl, I wish I could talk face to face, with you on this, as I have so many questions, and my writing abilities, are not the best.

    I’ll be honest and say some of your responses were over my head, I read them a couple/few of times, and think I have the gist of it.

    Carl
    “I believe you meant “consciousness” here. If so, that’s a great question. Other beings are conscious of me, and I of them, so I think it could be considered to be “conscious”.”

    Yeah, consciousness is what I meant, but I did have “of its own”,on the end there.

    You appear to be implying the the collective conciousness of . . .emm. ..well everything (maybe in the entire universe, I’m not sure)somehow, can be treated as a grand all encompassing conciousness.
    I think there is a cause and effect connection between just about everything, that could be interpreted as some kind of cosmic awareness, I don’t this qualifies as a true conciousness, with intent and purpose. if this “conciousness you speak of does not actively guide events, but is simple a reflection of events, then it can just as easily not exist.

    The simplicity thing, does not mean I do not marvel at the shear complexity of existence, only that the simplest explanation for just about anything in science is usually the correct one. Occam’s razor..

    Carl
    “The tsunami in Japan certainly had control over the people it was affecting, not vice versa.”

    I would disagree, while the tsunami was causing the people it affected to react, they were very much in control of what they were trying to do. This falls back to cause & effect connection between everything.

    Carl
    “And Aristotle would have us believe that the Earth was the center of the universe. Suffice it to say both science and our ideas of religion have advanced since then.”

    Aristotle was not part of modern science, he belonged to a time when Ideas were often accepted as fact, without the backing of empirical evidence. In fact the church was the primary source of most of what would be considered “science” of his time, so it pretty much gave the world a scientific view of the world in accordance with the religious beliefs. when true science started to question the errors, the church clamped down to defend it’s incorrect science, and we have them to thank for the dark age.
    Modern science has now torn biblical science to shreds
    So yes we have moved on. Science now can’t just make a claim without some pretty solid evidence to support the theorys.

    @ Sega

    Dude, I take it you are a Jehovah witness, or a Mormon?

    if not then your certainly nutty enough to join either.

    Sega. Do you think god made everything within the last 7000 years, so, man didn’t evolve but was made. . .from . .err . .dirt?

    If so then please explain to me the evidence we have for 2 million years of huma activity , and the minor fact that we have solid evidence for Earths’ 4.6 billion years of history
    http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/geo_timeline.html

    Also, the god made eve from Adams rib thing is wrong. the bible contradicts it’s self on this matter, the accepted version is that god created man & woman at the same time. see my link in the post when I first replied to you.
    Sega, I have read the bible(most of it) I would start posting links to highlight the violence god inflicts, and demands of his followers, but I’m sure you know the stuff I’m talking about. please tell me why you thing the morals in the bible are in any way applicable in a modern (multicultural)society.

  204. Godless:

    You know what I just realised

    The pic on the article is a play on the “creation of Adam” picture by Michael Angelo

    http://www.cephas-place.com/god_and_adam.jpg

    Must have been subliminal trigger for this thread :D
    maybe not so subliminal, I just never noticed

  205. FahKinSuPah:

    @Sega

    “I’m not perfect but that’s why I ask God for forgiveness. Now in terms of gay people I have nothing personally against them. Although their lifestyle offends me and is sickening I have no personal quarrel or vendetta against them. The only time I would have a problem with someone is if they do something or say something directly to me to piss me off.

    Now let me reverse the script, what do you think about gays Fahkin?”

    So your offended by their lifestyle and it sickens you but you don’t have any personal feelings about them? Isn’t that contradictory?

    I specifically asked you because MANY, if not most, christians really dislike gay people and have a huge problem with them. They say it is against god and that it speaks out against being gay in the bible. My responce to that is usually what verse, and why would it really be a bad thing when god created everyone inluding gays, so therefore he loves them equally. Another bit of proof I have that it is “OK” is that even animals can be gay. Hell we even have transgender animals. There are frogs, fish, and other animals that can change their sex.

    I’m fine with gay people. I think they should be allowed to get married. Although I would say call it something else, like civil union, instead but give them all the rights of a married couple. Not to protect the “sanctity” of marriage, but because marriage as we know it is already messed up. We all know divorce rates keep going up every year as it is. I’d say the ideals of marriage are pretty messed up already and those political christian blow hards can’t blame it on gay people.

    @Godless

    “Also, the god made eve from Adams rib thing is wrong. the bible contradicts it’s self on this matter, the accepted version is that god created man & woman at the same time. see my link in the post when I first replied to you.”

    Well thats kinda what I was saying….

    Eve was created from Adam’s rib, but Eve was not the first woman.

    God created Adam and Lilith from the same bit of earth, so he created them together.She was his first wife but Lilith refused to be subserviant to Adam so she left the garden. When Adam was alone god then created Eve from his rib.

  206. The Future of Sega:

    “Doesn’t matter, as far as Sega is concerned, you don’t believe in the correct god, therefore your dammed.”

    No where in my above post did I say that CarlB is or isn’t serving the correct “god”. As I’ve said before G-less different cultures call God by different names. In Hebrew they call Him Yahweh. Here in America we call Him God, Lord, & Heavenly Father. Back during Moses time they called Him I Am That I Am. Back during the time of my Native American ancestors they called Him The Big Spirit in the Sky. But overall people know that One Creator created everything into existence.

  207. The Future of Sega:

    “@ Sega

    Dude, I take it you are a Jehovah witness, or a Mormon?

    if not then your certainly nutty enough to join either.

    Sega. Do you think god made everything within the last 7000 years, so, man didn’t evolve but was made. . .from . .err . .dirt?

    If so then please explain to me the evidence we have for 2 million years of huma activity , and the minor fact that we have solid evidence for Earths’ 4.6 billion years of history
    http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/geo_timeline.html

    Also, the god made eve from Adams rib thing is wrong. the bible contradicts it’s self on this matter, the accepted version is that god created man & woman at the same time. see my link in the post when I first replied to you.
    Sega, I have read the bible(most of it) I would start posting links to highlight the violence god inflicts, and demands of his followers, but I’m sure you know the stuff I’m talking about. please tell me why you thing the morals in the bible are in any way applicable in a modern (multicultural)society.”

    No I am not a Jehovah’s witness. I am not some religious pharisee pretending to flaunt faith. I am simply a believer of the Bible, a believer of Jesus Christ, and a follower of the Lord. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. So if you want to be technical then that would make me a Christian. But since you have a deep problem with the word Christian I will say that I am a believer and doer of the Bible.

    I’m certainly not the best Christian as I have my own problems to deal with: cursing, lusting, & temptation. But I strive to be a better person. God knows my heart and when I fail I ask Him for forgiveness and try not to do the same thing again.

    In regarding to your questions yes I believe that God created everything thousands of years ago. Eve was created from Adam’s rib cage and you can deny it all you want.

    The Earth is young and not old as you claim. http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/earthage.html
    http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml
    http://www.jesusandthebibletoday.com/proof_the_bible_is_true.html

    You say that you read the Bible G-less….but understand nothing from it. That means you truly didn’t read it. Either you chose to read what you wanted to read or you read with bias and arrogance and refused to believe that it was true…..maybe you’re angry at God because something bad happened in your life…a lost relative, losing a job, a bad event in your childhood, etc. I can understand….we all get angry at God sometime.

    Things have happened in life that we can’t explain and we ask God why, why did it happen God?

    G-less if you’re willing….read the book of Job to answer your question.

  208. The Future of Sega:

    “So your offended by their lifestyle and it sickens you but you don’t have any personal feelings about them? Isn’t that contradictory?

    I specifically asked you because MANY, if not most, christians really dislike gay people and have a huge problem with them. They say it is against god and that it speaks out against being gay in the bible. My responce to that is usually what verse, and why would it really be a bad thing when god created everyone inluding gays, so therefore he loves them equally. Another bit of proof I have that it is “OK” is that even animals can be gay. Hell we even have transgender animals. There are frogs, fish, and other animals that can change their sex.

    I’m fine with gay people. I think they should be allowed to get married. Although I would say call it something else, like civil union, instead but give them all the rights of a married couple. Not to protect the “sanctity” of marriage, but because marriage as we know it is already messed up. We all know divorce rates keep going up every year as it is. I’d say the ideals of marriage are pretty messed up already and those political christian blow hards can’t blame it on gay people.”

    No it is not contradictory. If a murderer murdered someone and they showed the brutality of his murder on tv that would sicken me as it would with any sane individual. But on a daily basis would I sit down and be consumed with hatred and disgust of the murderer? No. So in a like manner the same goes for gays. Grant what they are doing is immoral, unnatural, and unholy but I’m not going to sit down and be consumed with hatred against them.

    In the Godly way I love them as the person but despise the evil things they do. But I understand what you mean Fahkin. Before the eyes of God sin is sin regardless if it’s homosexual, racism, theft, lying, stealing, killing, and so on.

    Fahkin you have to realize that they’re are false prophets, false Christians out there who claim that they know God but don’t live a Godly lifestyle. To put it in lamen terms they are wolves in sheep’s clothing. The New Testament talks about that.

    Try their spirit by the Spirit. For those of us who have the Holy Spirit of God inside of us we can discern evil spirits who claim they know God when they actually do not.

    Jesus said that many will cry out Lord Lord have we not prophesied in they name, fed the hungry, clothed the poor, and nourished the sick and the Lord replies, department from me you doers of iniquity for I never knew you.

    Jesus was talking about those false Christians who pretended to be a follower of the Lord and played the act of being a Christian by going to church, paying a tithe, and then heading back out into the world to commit evil all over again during the week.

    Be not deceived, God is not mocked. For whatsoever a man soeth that shall he also reap. If you sow deception you will reap deception. If you sow iniquity you will reap iniquity.

    Now going back to your “gay” question (no pun intended) people are not born gay. It is learned from life situations, choices, and experiences. Everyone is given free will to choose their own fate. To say that people are born gay means that you deny that you are a human being. All human beings are created good and with free will before birth.

    It after when they are born do they become evil like Hitler, Julius Caesar, Osama Bin Laden, etc. Everyone has a choice to do good….or to do evil. That is the glory of being created in God’s own image….we have a choice. :-)

  209. The Future of Sega:

    And going back to your question G-less, we were created from the dirt. When you die your body will turn back to dust in the casket. If you’re body is cremated it turns to dust….not liquid, not gas, but dust as God has said thousands of years ago when we fell into sin.

  210. Godless:

    Sega
    “Back during the time of my Native American ancestors they called Him The Big Spirit in the Sky”

    What?. .American Indians never ever worshipped God., not the god you speak of, who had a son jesus. in fact did there primary god not have like an army of lower class gods very much like the greek gods, thunder rain, fertility, all that stuff. So I would say there god was more Zeus than Yahweh

    By the way, you should read this
    http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm

    Fahk
    I have not come across Lilith before, as she is not mentioned in the bible, I have now started reading up on her, and it is fascinating stuff.
    Sounds like she was maybe part of the original gnostic texts from which the bible was created (after heavy censoring by the roman council of nicaea).

    I have started trying to read some of these texts, but they are really heavy going, even worse than the bible. Though the greater level of mythological influence makes them much more interesting. once you chew through the overly elaborate dialogue.

    Sega dude, you cherry picking from the bible in a way that is laughable, does your god not condemn the worship of all other god, especially those represented by idols?
    Dose he not also condemn to death by stoning: unruly children, gay people, the adulterous, and death by the sword of anyone who belongs to another faith?

    If you really want links I will get them.

  211. Kushy:

    It has not been 100% proven that a God exists! It has not been 100% proven that a God does not exist! Believe what you will and leave it be. The walls of text on the subject of religion and God are getting to be a joke. Lighten up a bit guys FFS! I come to games sites to get away from religion and politics give it a rest already! :(

  212. Godless:

    Sega
    “And going back to your question G-less, we were created from the dirt. When you die your body will turn back to dust in the casket. If you’re body is cremated it turns to dust….not liquid, not gas, but dust as God has said thousands of years ago when we fell into sin.”

    Sorry but your statement couldn’t have been more wrong if you tried.

    When we die, we decompose into liquid(water) gas, and all the other organic compounds that make us up.

    When we are cremated, the gasses are probably burned of, and become mostly water vapour & Co2 among many others, the dust you speak of is simply the Compounds, that are too heavy to be carried away during oxidisation. (why the hell do you think human ashes weighs only a kilo or so, We are mostly water, and water doesn’t disappear, it just changes state, from liquid to vapour/gas

    As for original sin, it’s a preposterous concept
    please read this

    http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_adamandeve.html

  213. Kushy:

    ^
    You’re such a fucking goofball! Give it a rest already asswipe! :P Good for you, science is all around us! Even with all that science you can not prove a God does not exist! You simply only believe one does not! GOOD FOR YOU, STFU ALREADY! You are not as smart as you think you are!

  214. FahKinSuPah:

    @Godless

    “I have not come across Lilith before, as she is not mentioned in the bible, I have now started reading up on her, and it is fascinating stuff.
    Sounds like she was maybe part of the original gnostic texts from which the bible was created (after heavy censoring by the roman council of nicaea).”

    No, the christians just decided to leave Lilith out of their version of the bible because they didn’t like what she did. That’s why they don’t specificially mention her, but there is the thing you mentioned earlier that I added on.

  215. jojo29:

    ^^
    I agree, its like watching those morning religious shows and flipping back to the boring bits if CNN…i blame MS lack of exclusive content and Carlb..exclusive s do matter, its why your a sold your 360 among other reasons

  216. dans303:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD52OlkKfNs

  217. jojo29:

    @Godless and Fahkin
    I dont give a shit what you or anyone else in here believe, but to this bullshit discussion, Fahkin and Godless, since your the ones picking and bitching about there being no God:
    To take a piece of Godless own quote:
    “..without empirical evidence..”

    Do you have undeniable empirical evidence that God does not exist?

    No? No links to such? THEN BOTH YOU AND FAHKIN NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP…you are the nitpickers YOU PROVIDE THE NECCESSARY EMPIRICAL UNDENIABLE SCIENTIFIC DATA that suports your claim, if you dont have this IM NOT SAYING YOUR WRONG OR RIGHT, im saying drop your POINTLESS atheist crusade.
    Oldschool, Future have ALREADY STATED they dont give a shit what you do or dont believe in, its the belittling of our beleifs that you dipshits think is funny, that is garning their (and soon mine, trust me you dont want me involed, as i will bring real world science to back up religion, ohh the irony)

    So to fucking summarize:
    Oldschool and sega dont give a shit about your beliefs, you sont about theirs and indont give a shit for either, keep this shit about games….

  218. Godless:

    Guys, this thread is a week old, you don’t have to come here to read the thread then bitch about it.

    move on, no one here is talking to you.

    Kushy, when the hell did I ever claim to be smart?

  219. Godless:

    jojo
    “Do you have undeniable empirical evidence that God does not exist?”

    The lack of evidence for god “IS THE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE” against god. you can not test does not exist.

    And as Fahk Quoted earlier

    “What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence” – Chistopher Hitchens

  220. dans303:

    “And as Fahk Quoted earlier”

    And as *Dans Quoted earlier ;)

  221. FahKinSuPah:

    Yeah Dans quoted that one, but hey… with all the bullshit being thrown around in here someone is bound to get confused. Just look at Jojo ;)

  222. Godless:

    LOL

    Sorry Dans, nice quote BTW ;)

  223. oldschool1987:

    Still see Godless is trying to convert people, not only that he’s trying to convince people there is no afterlife. He doesn’t give a shit about the people who hold on to that idea hoping to see a lost loved one again one day. You really are a grade A piece of shit who shows no one any respect whatsoever. The arrogance and ego of you is unbelievable.

  224. dans303:

    I’m pretty sure Sega is trying to do most of the ‘converting’ around here Oldschool.

  225. Godless:

    Why are you even here oldschool? it’s clearly too upsetting for you.

    there are plenty of threads on this site that switch subject, I can think of at least 3 where you end up talking shit about which of the armed forces is best FFS.

    If you don’t like this debate, then you know what to do.

  226. oldschool1987:

    Why am I here!! Why are you fucking here? It’s a fucking GAMING website you arrogant prick. You’re as bad as CON, trying to convert people to your way of thinking like every single fanatic out there. Be honest G, have you ever gone door to door handing out leaflets telling them religion is wrong? Doesn’t matter of you say no because I won’t believe you.

    Is this all you argue about now because you have lost every single 360 argument?

  227. ncaissie:

    LMFAO yeah I tried to bring it back to games. Guess none of you caught the joke :(

  228. jojo29:

    Godless wont listen
    Thos topic is a strawmans argument and the only type where godless isnt made to look the fool…he does try hard tho…and in that regards hes highly successful…whay a fool he is lol

  229. Godless:

    Oldie
    “Is this all you argue about now because you have lost every single 360 argument?”

    Only in your tiny fanboy mind. multi console user. .ROFLMAO.

    Read through the threads oldie, your such a rabid fanboy is laughable.

    Your hatred of the 360 is blatant, your clearly bitter & twisted because MS has been able to successfully take on Sony.

    You twist what others say, you cherry pick facts, ignore comments or part quote in order to then deliberately misinterpret the views of others.

    You debating skills are weasel aside from the above, like, you first tactic in almost ever discussion is to ridicule anyone with a differing opinion, because you then somehow feel it undermines them.

    when you are proved wrong in anything you quickly switch tact, and will even try and turn to loss to a win, buy making some ridiculous claim like “look how far a 360 fanboy will go to prove something”

    You utterly incapable of distinguishing opinions from facts, and often attack opinion as if there facts,

    Oldie, my respect for you, and you opinions has dwindled over the last year. you’re a foul mouthed hypocrite, bitter & angry about the success of the 360, you dish out the fanboy card left & right but somehow are unable to look at yourself objectively.

    jojo

    I’m not sure if you’ve even read this thread properly.

    show me where I have told anyone what to believe, and what will happen to them. I have given my opinions, and my reasoning behind those opinions, most of the thread is good debate(some of it’s just retards whining about the debate, take out oldies foul mouthed crap, and some of your own and its good debate)

    I have asked Sega to give reasons as to why he believes what he does, but he never actually gave an answer, because I don’t think he can.

    Look more closely at Segas posts, anger and preaching to “us Atheists” about how evil we are, and about how we will face damnation when the rapture is upon us. his joy at our fate more than apparent.

    yet you target me?

    I’m not pushing my opinions down anyone throat, I’m simply asking questions, to those with different opinions. If Oldie and you feel it’s pushy, then your being overly defensive. Why?

    still waiting on your links to top physicists now looking to god for the answers to the universe (and finding answers I presume)

    Out of the box theories & metaphysical postulation, doesn’t instantly mean god is involved.

  230. Kushy:

    “Kushy, when the hell did I ever claim to be smart?”

    @Godless

    Ever hear the expression, “actions speak louder then words”? By the walls of text that you post you clearly think you know so much. However the context of your posts are filled with crap and biased opinions you spew as fact! I said you are not as smart as you think you are. Never did I say you are not as smart as you say you are!:P

    Just be the bigger man and ignore TFOS. He is a troll and flamebait artist. If you simply just get off on arguing about just anything then so be it. I just feel if this is going to be a topic that comes up anymore with such long rants, then people will tire of the site. I know I don’t post that much on here, but I do read many of the posts. I personally don’t want to be reading or scrolling through so much crap. IMHO I also think I don’t speak for just myself. Not trying to be a verbage nazi, but arguing about religion in such long rants, HAS FUCKING ZERO TO DO WITH GAMING!!!! It’s called GAMERBLORGE!

    I’m always up for a good debate, but you and TFOS sound like a bunch of 15 year olds. My views on god and religion lie in the middle of your’s and TFOS views. I could argue against the both of you for weeks on the subject. In the end it’s still all just individual beliefs mixed with some facts and proves nothing!

  231. oldschool1987:

    Bitter and angry over the 360s success?

    LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Last I looked the 360 is lacking games, has a main casual focus and has been outsold by the PS3 every year haha, idiot.

    Don’t need the respect of fanatics like you, you show no one no respect anyway you fucking idiot, forcing your narrow minded beliefs on everyone and claim them to be fact.

    “You twist what others say, you cherry pick facts, ignore comments or part quote in order to then deliberately misinterpret the views of others.”

    Erm that’s you Godless, I have never done any of this. If I have then link? The amount of times jojo and Roca have called you out on exactly this is unreal. I swear you’re living in lala land.

  232. jojo29:

    Godless
    First off i never said the physicist had an answer, just like you dont have an answer to “can you prove god doesnt exist” my point is, if our TOP scientists on the planet, are looking into divine intervention a a possible scientific theory to explain the mysteries they cant figure out….there gotta be a lot more to this god thing than your closed mind is able to see…that is MY point….and these scientists are neutral, much more neutral than you or i so if they are willing to NOT count out “god” im safe to say im not wrong for having faith…take that as you will

    I point to you because it seems you fail to read and understand that oldschool and even fos stated they dont care what you dontbor do believe in, but you insist on debating this by forcing yes forcing your views by belittling theirs with your little remarks and then you dare say we are defensive? Your forcibly putting people on the defensive…knock it off andbfor like the fourth fuking time, lets keep this shit about games…Jojo hath spoken therefore let it be done…hey your an atheist, you dont believe in anything might as well believe in me lol thata a joke btw

  233. Godless:

    Oldi
    “LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Last I looked the 360 is lacking games, has a main casual focus and has been outsold by the PS3 every year haha, idiot.”

    Are you completely retarded, “lacking games”, you must be taking the piss yes?
    Main focus on casual, LMAO, MS has a strong focus on casual, but the very high pecentage of 360 games are not for the casual market
    I think you’ll find 2008 was not a PS3 victory.

    As for the weasel like debating, I can’t be asrsed to go trawling for your bullshit, but instead, I will point out every time you do it in future, You can do the same for me, we’ll see who’s a weasel worded arsehole

    jojo I have a shit load of books on physics & cosmology, and the likes, by many authors, Roger penrose, Frank close, Hermann Lotze & Maurizio Gasperini to name just a few, while some of them delve into the very nature of reality itself, I have never read anything by a respected scientific author that suggests god is a part of the picture, I would be really interested to see who it is you have read about.

  234. Godless:

    http://preposterousuniverse.com/writings/nd-paper/

  235. jojo29:

    When i get home ill dig up the links…sigh….hate redigging for crap lol as for the 360…you have to use a thing calles common sense godless…yes there are games on the 360, but you like to take that literally…we mean theres really no worthwhile exclusives…name at least 5 core exclusives for the 360 this year

  236. oldschool1987:

    “I think you’ll find 2008 was not a PS3 victory.”

    Lmfao! I really didn’t think that would work but it did! I was going to mention “(except ’08)” like I always do but i just had to see if you would use your 1 year out of 5 win as a defense lmao!!!

    Oh yeah packed full of exclusives: Halo, Gears, Forza and Fable are the only decent ones and some of them are not even exclusive, they’re on PC. Funny thing is those 4 games isn’t even my favourite 360 game, Prey is.

    Now what do you have? Kinectimals, Micheal Phelps (Lol!), Disney? Sure the 360 has its exclusives but when compared to the PS3 it is losing. So tell me, how is the 360 a success again?

    Where’s you critique of Gears 3 and Forzas graphics? I remember you were quick to offer up on PS3 exclusives quickly enough.

  237. oldschool1987:

    “name at least 5 core exclusives for the 360 this year”

    Fuck it, name 4!

  238. The Future of Sega:

    As I said before I will not entertain this foolishness no more. Kushy and Oldschool are right, it’s time to move on! I made my point and believe what I believe. If you don’t like it then keep your opinions to yourself.

    Oh…but one more thing…..I just find this whole ordeal to be interesting coming from an individual who SAYS they don’t believe in God….but have God’s name spelled in their own name…hmmmmmmmm strange. ;-)

    Looks like you’re the closet Christian G-O-Dless. ;-)

    Lol ok enough….I’m moving onto to games. If you want to talk more about Jesus Christ (positively) shoot me a message on my psn TheFutureofSega.

  239. The Future of Sega:

    Oldschool, Future have ALREADY STATED they dont give a shit what you do or dont believe in, its the belittling of our beleifs that you dipshits think is funny, that is garning their (and soon mine, trust me you dont want me involed, as i will bring real world science to back up religion, ohh the irony)

    So to fucking summarize:
    Oldschool and sega dont give a shit about your beliefs, you sont about theirs and indont give a shit for either, keep this shit about games….

    Thank you Jojo…

    “I’m pretty sure Sega is trying to do most of the ‘converting’ around here Oldschool.”

    Wrong. It’s you, G-less, and Fahkin doing the converting. As I said before I’m only “defending” my faith against your disrespectful claims and false merits.

    If I were converting I would say “You guys need to get down on one knee and ask Jesus into your heart.” Grant it I would love to share that opportunity with you guys but you’re to focused on disapproving God’s existence.

    So you guys can do what you want. It’s your life….your choice. Just don’t start begging God for forgiveness the moment after death when you had ample opportunities to change your life while you were alive.

    And I’ll leave you with this G-less…you can read or not that’s up to you but read the story of the rich man and Lazarus when you get a chance. That’s all I have to say…

    Jojo feel free to lay some inspiration on these hard case atheists if you want. ;-) lol I’m done…

    I’m not here to convert or change you guys. I’m just here to tell you that you have no right to belittle, extort, or defame my faith or speak evil of God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, Christianity, Angels, and so on within my presence. If you want to discuss all manners of filth amongst yourselves you’re free to do so.

    But don’t ever talk evil about God or Christ within my presence! I will NOT tolerate that…and will be HAPPY to defend my faith once again!!

  240. CarlB:

    “You appear to be implying the the collective conciousness of . . .emm. ..well everything (maybe in the entire universe, I’m not sure)somehow, can be treated as a grand all encompassing conciousness.
    I think there is a cause and effect connection between just about everything, that could be interpreted as some kind of cosmic awareness”

    Yes, everything. As a whole. Most people can’t really fathom the true meaning of “everything”.

    “I don’t this qualifies as a true conciousness, with intent and purpose. if this conciousness you speak of does not actively guide events, but is simple a reflection of events, then it can just as easily not exist.”

    If “everything” includes you and I, and we are conscious, then we are part of the whole’s consciousness. Whether we want to or not, actively guide events. Even when we want something, we don’t realize that those wants were part of the cause and effect process. “Free will” is an illusion because we cannot possibly perceive or understand the sagans of things that the illusion is composed of.

    “The simplicity thing, does not mean I do not marvel at the shear complexity of existence, only that the simplest explanation for just about anything in science is usually the correct one. Occam’s razor..”

    If you can find the explanation of what caused the big bang then you may be onto something. I would say it is safe to say that whatever caused it (and thereby us) is more powerful than us.

    “I would disagree, while the tsunami was causing the people it affected to react, they were very much in control of what they were trying to do. This falls back to cause & effect connection between everything.”

    To what did they react to? Something outside of their control. Therefore their reactions were caused by something more powerful than them.

    “Aristotle was not part of modern science”

    The point is he was part of science for that era. Ideas of religion and science have both advanced since. Just as scientists who still believe in God realize both religion and science were flawed in ancient times and are still lacking, there are also Christians who still believe in science that realize both science and religion were flawed in ancient times and are still lacking today.

  241. The Future of Sega:

    Lol CarlB just let them be….Only a fool dwells on foolish things. ;-)

  242. Godless:

    Carl did you read the paper I linked?

    I stumbled upon this when trying to find jojos’ religious cosmologist.
    http://preposterousuniverse.com/writings/nd-paper/

    This guy pretty much says everything I would say, he’s just a lot better at getting his views across.

    Here he is of the same opinion as me regarding your interpretation of god
    I quote:

    “Defining theism is more difficult than defining materialism, for the simple reason that theist belief takes many more forms that materialist belief, and the same words are often taken to mean utterly different things. I will partially avoid this difficulty by not attempting a comprehensive definition of religion, but simply taking belief in the existence of a being called ”God” as a necessary component of being religious. (Already this choice excludes some modes of belief which are sometimes thought of as ”religious.” For example, one could claim that ”the laws of physics, and their working out in the world, are what I hold to be God.” I am not “SURE” what the point of doing that would be, but in such a case nothing that I have to say would apply.)”

    he missed the word “Sure” so I added it
    Basically I can not argue against your god, because your god falls outside my definition of god, to me what you see as “god”, I see as “laws of physics”.

    Sega, dude, You call me a fool, yet it is you, who has belief in something without any evidence to support your belief. You haven’t answered a single question asked, only blurted out rambling hate filled sermons.

    Outside of the bible, where is the evidence for your god being responsible for anything.

  243. oldschool1987:

    Still forcing your views down people’s throats I see. So desperate for people to follow your example.

    “You haven’t answered a single question asked”

    That seems to be going around here’s one you didn’t answer:

    “name at least 5 core exclusives for the 360 this year”

  244. Godless:

    Oldschool

    Show me where I have said anything other than 360 lacks new exclusives?

    what I would say is that it has enough exclusives to make it worth getting.

    Crackdown series
    Left 4 Dead series
    Mass effect
    Dead rising series
    Fable series
    Viva pinata series
    Gears series
    Forza series
    Banjo K
    Lost Odyseey
    Deadly premonition
    Alan Wake
    Blu dragon

    Have you seen the Kinect support for Mass effect 3?

    Silly question actually.

    Oldie I know you hate the 360, but it’s half the price of the PS3, and you could probably buy most of the games I listed as a starter pack and still be cheaper than getting a PS3.

  245. Godless:

    Sorry deadly premonition and dead rising games are available for PS3

  246. Godless:

    PS, there are a load more exclusives than what I have listed, these are just some of the ones I have played.

  247. oldschool1987:

    Yeah you missed out Micheal Phelps and the Disney games.

    Course I seen the Kinect integration, I remember seeing that feature 10 years ago with SOCOM.

    Crackdown series (Lol!)
    Left 4 Dead series
    Mass effect (on PC)
    Dead rising series (Fail)
    Fable series (I heard the 3rd is brilliant)
    Viva pinata series (Lol!)
    Gears series (Epic!)
    Forza series (Heard great things, not into racing myself)
    Banjo K (Lol!)
    Lost Odyseey (I liked it)
    Deadly premonition (Never heard of it)
    Alan Wake (Repetative with terrible graphics)
    Blu dragon (Not played but heard its brilliant)

    You missed out Halo which is better than these games in my opinion. Still it doesn’t come close to the PS3s exclusive line up and none of these games are rated as high as a few PS3 games.

    Still waiting on your graphical review of Gears 3. You had opinions on PS3 games minutes into them.

    Godless I know you hate the PS3 because it sells more annually than the 360, has more games, free online, better graphics and a Blu Ray player but that’s no need to call people who prefer it a fanboy, it’s called common sense. People who prefer the LCD are the fanboys.

    Where’s your list of 5 core exclusives for this year?

  248. Godless:

    http://gamer.blorge.com/2012/01/10/sony-pushing-vita-with-biggest-marketing-campaign-ever/#comment-181056

    wow 66 million fanboy, That’s something else!

    You’re a hater Oldie face it.

  249. oldschool1987:

    Wow outsold 4/5 years and a heavy focus on the casual market and a rip off online service.

    Still waiting on you Gears 3 opinion.

    Where’s your list of 5 core games for 2012?

    You’re a hater and a fanatic Godless, face it.

  250. oldschool1987:

    “Still waiting on you Gears 3 opinion.”

    Cancel that, clicked link after posting.

  251. CarlB:

    “Basically I can not argue against your god, because your god falls outside my definition of god, to me what you see as ‘god’, I see as ‘laws of physics’.”

    Fine.

    What is the “law” (or “laws”) of everything?

    There is no need to argue because it is not my own personal god, it simply is, regardless of what you or I care to call it.

    “It” (which is not confined to existing theories of physics- there is no accepted T.O.E.) is a power that we do not know, it is more powerful than us, it caused our creation, it causes our destruction (or transformation, if you will), it causes our thoughts, it causes our actions, and we can not yet predict it, let alone control it. It has determined our past, is determining our present, and will determine our future.

    The more we know about it, the more we find we don’t know. It is what it is regardless of what we think, what we label it, how we categorize it, or whatever “laws” we theorize. Some scientists call “it” God, other scientists call “it” Science, yet somehow they both advance science and life goes on.

    Funny how that happens.

  252. Barnabe Jones:

    You know what they can people who buy a Bethesda game with 4 months of its launch?

    Beta Testers ;)

  253. The Future of Sega:

    “Sega, dude, You call me a fool, yet it is you, who has belief in something without any evidence to support your belief. You haven’t answered a single question asked, only blurted out rambling hate filled sermons.

    Outside of the bible, where is the evidence for your god being responsible for anything.”

    Lie lie lie. Ok let’s flip the script….outside of science where is your evidence for atheism being responsible for everything?

  254. CarlB:

    “what I would say is that it has enough exclusives to make it worth getting”

    The majority of those exclusives are years old and have an aggregate score below 80. They were decent for their time, but there is so many more, higher quality games to choose from now. FYI, the “Dead Rising series” is no longer exclusive to 360, though it does have some timed DLC.

    Where I would agree with you is that 360 is less expensive (if you don’t plan on getting XBLG that is), has bargain bin games, along with Kinect, Halo, Forza, and Gears. I don’t think Fable 3 did all that well in reviews.

    360 has exclusives, but what is there does not make it worth getting over a PS3. In addition maybe, if you have the cash and the time to spare. In other words, enough time that you have gotten through all the great exclusives & multiplats on PS3 already, and will have extra time after getting through all the new ones- and there are many. I’m retired, and I don’t have that much time between movies, shows, books, tinkering, etc.

    360 does seem, however, to be more family and casual oriented (women & children) with Kinect. So if you want one console to rock out on COD/BF and have your family enjoy it does have some strengths over PS3 and may be preferable in that light (again if you don’t care about paying the premium of XBLG).

  255. The Future of Sega:

    Definition of “fool”: A person who acts unwisely or imprudently; a silly person.

    Claiming that God doesn’t exist…………foolish.

    Suggesting that atheism is the answer to all of the universe’s mysteries…………………..foolish.

    Injecting your atheism views on God fearing Christians……………………………foolish.

    Looks like you fit the bill buddy. ;-) Need I say more?

  256. The Future of Sega:

    WHY ARE ATHEISTS SO ANGRY AT CHRISTIANS?

    Let’s see why:

    1)Atheists think they got it all figured out. Yet they live unhappy and unfullfilling lives.
    2)We believe in something, while atheist believe in nothing. This is why they hate us so much.
    3)We arent sad and emotionally unstable like most atheists are.
    4)Girls dig us better since we have very wide social circles. Atheists have forgot how to live in society
    5)We aren’t the ones whining all the time about “under God”. If you don’t like it, get out of my country you godless traitor.
    6)We are more moral thus help sustain society. Atheists just ruin everything since they live a miserable existence.
    7)An atheist chick would rather be with a christian, since we aren’t hateful or have the need to lash out violently.
    8)We’re simply cooler. Admit it, maybe it wasn’t the case some 200 years ago, but nowadays being atheist sucks while being christian is cool.
    9)Anti-god is anti-freedom. Atheists know it, but can’t come to terms with it.
    10)Atheists are sexually depraved and need sick fetishes just to get aroused. How pathetic is that?
    11)If you don’t die a virgin, and happen to get a daughter… chances are she’ll be marrying a Christian :)

    I could be going on and on and on but you get the point by now

    Enjoy being atheist, sucker :)

    -Posted by GodBlessAtheists
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=246_1197587701

    Hmmm….interesting article lol.

  257. CarlB:

    You know what they call Skyrim?

    GotY ;)

  258. Barnabe Jones:

    No that’s Uncharted 3. ;)

  259. oldschool1987:

    No that’s what they call Skyward Sword ;) lol

  260. ncaissie:

    “You know what they call Skyrim?
    GotY ”
    They being idiots yeah.
    I agree with BJ.

  261. Barnabe Jones:

    Ok well, now that we covered religion…

    let’s cover politics…..

  262. oldschool1987:

    There was only two people arguing religion, Godless and Sega. I was just pointing out that you have to be a special kind of dick to have the cheek to tell them that what they believe in is wrong.

    Politics is the most boring subject on the planet so we can skip that one, plus does anyone want CON back? Lol

  263. CarlB:

    UC3 is pretty (for console), but it’s not really winning any GotY’s. As far as the game is concerned, I think 1&2 were more fun.
    It’s mostly Skyrim (then Portal and Skyward Sword) that is taking the lion’s share of GotY’s.

  264. CarlB:

    Ron Paul for President.

  265. CarlB:

    http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446537519

  266. CarlB:

    Portal 2 that is.

  267. The Future of Sega:

    ^^^ The last 10 posts….LMFAO!!! XD

  268. The Future of Sega:

    The re-U-G-L-Y-cans will be sucking the moles off of President Obama’s dick! President Obama will swing his chode and knockout out Mitt Romney with a clean victory. :-D

    It’s too bad Herman SHAME isn’t around to receive the pwnage too. :-)

    President Obama & Biden for 2012-2016!!!!!!! Gooooood bleeeeeesssss Americaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

  269. The Future of Sega:

    I think G-less has run out of valid arguments. ;-) Hip hip hooraaaaaay! :-D :-) :-P

  270. dans303:

    Obama singing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-hDt2E8MoE

    Made me laugh. :)

  271. CarlB:

    Didn’t hear to much from Trump after he got punk’d:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eJpWOY3r18&feature=related

  272. The Future of Sega:

    Dans,

    LOL aaaaah I heard about that today! Yeah that was funny but damn our President can sing!!!! :-D :-) All of the ladies were screaming their lungs out haha….they better fuckin vote for him in November.

    President Obama is too cool of a president to be let go. :-D

  273. The Future of Sega:

    Hey Dans,

    Check out this video of Obama, McCain, and Sarah Palin dancing against each other. :-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzyT9-9lUyE

  274. ncaissie:

    Yeah he is soo cool. Are you CEO in one of those companies he poured billions into for nothing at all? ;)

  275. The Future of Sega:

    Sniff sniff…is that Canadian sarcasm I smell?

  276. Kushy:

    ^
    Bwwwwaaaahahahahahahaha! lol, you kill me! Yes we men of the north are known for sarcastic jesting. What state do you live in?

  277. The Future of Sega:

    Ohio my man. :-D I just need to swim across Lake Ontario northeast and I’ll be right there in Ontario with you and Ncaissie. :-)

    On second thought….maybe that isn’t such a good idea. ;-) I’m sure the Lake is freezing now! Brrrrr…I’d be walking limp with frozen nutsickles. ;-)

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