Rumor: Microsoft to drop MS Point system from Xbox Live for real world currency

January 24, 2012

Rumor: Microsoft to drop MS Point system from Xbox Live for real world currency According to the latest rumor doing the rounds, Microsoft may be looking to can its arbitrary Xbox currency system. Apparently, the company is planning to switch over to using real world currency.

As reported by Inside Mobile Apps, a source close to the company has revealed that Microsoft will be phasing out the Microsoft point system by the end of the year. The MS point system is utilized over Xbox Live , Windows Phone, and the Zune marketplace.

This change will impact developers that make apps for Microsoft’s platforms and could be a potential source or where the rumor originated from. Apparently, Microsoft has been notifying its third party mobile developers who have publishing agreements with the company of the change.

This point system has long been criticized for its confusing conversion and limited incremental options. I can’t say that I am surprised by this move as the controversial pricing done for the downloadable game Amy due to exchange rate differences is a clear example of the pitfalls of using a proprietary currency system.

88 Responses to “Rumor: Microsoft to drop MS Point system from Xbox Live for real world currency”

  1. oldschool1987:

    This is good news for 360 owners, probably one of the only downsides to LIVE (apart from paying for LIVE).

  2. Barnabe Jones:

    People have been demanding this since the release of the 360, way to finally respond to your fans M$.

  3. Roca.:

    copying Sony again..before this gen is over the 360 will just be a PS3 knockoff ;)

    wifi, black glossy finish, HDD, touch sensitive buttons, optical, HDMI, horizonal menu UI, cloud storage, VoD Apps, Music Video app, GameRooms (Home ripoff), etc

  4. phranctoast:

    The 360 was one big ripoff from the beginning. MS even stole the cell it what should only be described as some of the worst corporate espionage to hit the VG world….but hey.. It’s MS

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123069467545545011.html

  5. Roca.:

    For anyone who’s somehow managed to avoid Microsoft’s silly-ass points system, here’s the idea: instead of buying content with, you know, money, you buy content with Microsoft Points. Points… which you buy with money.

    Imagine you’ve gone to the store, and you want to buy 2 pineapples. You take them to the counter, and the guy at the register says:

    -“Great! That’ll be 7 bloo-blops.”

    -“What? I don’t have any bloo-blops. I only have dollars. Can I just give you dollars?”

    -“No. You have to give me bloo-blops. Fortunately, I have this pack of 10 bloo-blops right here.”

    -“..But I thought you said I only needed 7 bloo-blops?”

    -“You do. But I only sell them in packs of 10. Don’t worry! You’ll have 3 bloo-blops left over to buy anything you want!”

    -“Oh, okay. What can I buy with 3 bloo-blops?”

    -“Nothing.”

    LMAOOO!

    http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/23/microsoft-to-ditch-microsoft-points-oh-please-let-it-be-true/

  6. Roca.:

    wow, good find Pranc.

  7. CON:

    “copying Sony again…”

    Yes because clearly Sony invented the use of money for making purchases lol.

    I’m very much in favour of this. I’m sure there are very few against this

  8. Roca.:

    Sony didn’t invented it but PS3 is the only console to actual money for online purchases. 6 years later MS decided to use money instead of points??

    MS is clearly copying ;)

  9. twilight:

    Both companies copy. Achievements/Trophies? Xbox Live Gold/Psn Plus.

  10. Roca.:

    XBL Gold and PSN+ are nothing alike.

    Gold gives access to restricted features and should’ve been free in the first place. In other words, you are paying for what everyone else gets for free.

    PSN+ gives you actual gaming content (games, DLC, betas, game trial, etc) for much less. you pretty much get your money back in less than a month.

  11. Barnabe Jones:

    Phranc,

    Awesome find, and a good read. I might check that book out at some point.

  12. CarlB:

    “copying Sony again..before this gen is over the 360 will just be a PS3 knockoff
    wifi, black glossy finish, HDD, touch sensitive buttons, optical, HDMI, horizonal menu UI, cloud storage, VoD Apps, Music Video app, GameRooms (Home ripoff), etc”

    Atari, Sega, NeoGeo, Panasonic, NEC all had a black glossy finish and or optical drives on/in their consoles before Sony. Gaming PC’s had practically all of the features you mentioned before Sony.

    “Both companies copy. Achievements/Trophies? Xbox Live Gold/Psn Plus.”

    True. All companies that want to succeed copy. They have to copy that which is good in order to compete well. PSN wouldn’t be what it is today if XBL “(games, DLC, betas, game trial, etc)” never came about last gen or wasn’t continued this gen (before PSN), and Trophies/Levels wouldn’t have existed in their present form (or probably at all today) if Achievements/Gamerscore hadn’t preceded it. Even then it took years for Sony to comply with fans wishes.

    Copying is a good thing, especially when not only is something copied, but it is improved upon. If you believe 360 “copied” PS3 by having a hard drive, at least they improved upon the concept by having it built in and useful for all games instead of just a handful. Of course, this had already existed in computers, so it’s more likely that they were the source, not Sony.

    It’s great that Sony has copied the 360, PC, and preceding consoles good qualities and is improving upon them (both in functionality and price). This is just one logical step if they ever truly want to eventually regain their dominance in the industry.

    (from phranc’s link)
    “All three of the original partners had agreed that IBM would eventually sell the Cell to other clients. But it does not seem to have occurred to Sony that IBM would sell key parts of the Cell before it was complete and to Sony’s primary videogame-console competitor.”

    They should have put it in the contract, “eventually” doesn’t seem like a very legal term.

    “there was a problem with the first chip run. Microsoft had had the foresight to order backup manufacturing capacity from a third party. Sony did not and had to wait another six weeks to get their first chips… In the end, Microsoft’s Xbox 360 hit its target launch in November 2005, becoming its own success. Because of various delays, the Playstation 3 was pushed back a full year.”

    I guess they learned some lessons the hard way. At least the final product was more reliable than the 360.

    “The lesson, lost on Mr. Shippy and Ms. Phipps, is that technical supremacy divorced from sound strategic vision is no virtue. It can even end up in disaster.”

    And yet three years after the article was written it is becoming evident that Sony actually did have a sound strategic vision. That being long term. 360 reliability was a disaster near launch, PS3 is graphically superior to 360 in it’s exclusives, has more exclusives, has higher quality exclusives, plus more functionality, value, and hardware sales than 360 and Wii (side by side currently, not total- yet).

    Weekly hardware sales (14 Jan 2012):
    PS3 217,958
    360 187,177
    Wii 140,452

    Sony has earned it. As long as they continue to I will continue to support them.

  13. ncaissie:

    Where is godless? Still recovering from the last beating? Or just to ashamed to show up when there is bad news for the 360 on the first page?

  14. CarlB:

    America!

    http://venturebeat.com/2012/01/24/mpaa-chief-chris-dodd-stunned-by-sopa-defeat-hit-with-white-house-petition-over-comments/

  15. ncaissie:

    It wasn’t just America that fought back dude.

  16. CarlB:

    Ah yes. My mistake. It was the Chinese citizens that stopped SOPA.

    Look, I never said it involved “just America”, however, it is an American Bill for American IP, involving the Motion Picture Association of America, the Recording Industry Association of America, and other companies/organizations that sell stuff in America. It involved American copyright laws, and was actually stopped by American citizens in America via American law. So please, don’t take it as exclusionary if I happen to mention America and link the article which has “MPAA” and “White House petition” in the title on the Internet which originated in… America.

  17. oldschool1987:

    I signed the petition as well, I used the only area code I know: 90210 haha

  18. CarlB:

    UK!

  19. oldschool1987:

    No UK done fuck all to help because it’s an unknown problem here, well not many people know of it yet anyway. It was America that done all the work. I only heard foot because of you lot so I thought I’d help out :)

  20. ncaissie:

    Same here OS. Any that’s awesome Carl. I just wonder because it said they delayed th bill but we needed to kill it.

  21. ncaissie:

    Everyone I know has signed it. Like it or not Carl but almost everything that goes on on the US affects Canada.

  22. CarlB:

    North America!

  23. CarlB:

    “it seems unlikely that SOPA will get sent to the House floor for a vote before the country holds elections for the 113th Congress — meaning that SOPA is essentially dead.”

  24. CarlB:

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/24/xbox-720-will-be-six-times-as-powerful-as-current-gen

    “In real terms, the Xbox 720′s raw graphics processing power is expected to be six times that of the Xbox 360 and will yield 20-percent greater performance than Nintendo’s forthcoming console, the Wii U.”

    If this is true, I’m guessing PS4 will probably yield at least 20 percent greater potential performance than 720. 720 November 2013, PS4 November 2014? Or will Sony release earlier in order to compete more with 720?

  25. CON:

    “Sony didn’t invented it”

    *rolls eyes*

  26. ncaissie:

    “meaning that SOPA is essentially dead.”
    Good to hear.

  27. ncaissie:

    @carlb
    SIX TIMES THE POWER OF THE 360?
    Holy shit that’s almost on par woth the PS3. Good new for the xbitches I guess. ;)

  28. ncaissie:

    New=news lol

  29. dans303:

    SCOTLAND! ;) lol

    This is Hiltler reacting to SOPA:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvXo4sGB7zM

    Pretty funny.

  30. oldschool1987:

    I like those Hitler vids, can’t watch this one yet, I’m at work and don’t like to use my phone for videos, I have limited Internet.

    You ever seen the Hitler video where he plays MW3 but is pissed off because it’s the same as MW2? Lol

  31. phranctoast:

    or Hitler complaining about the RROD.

  32. dans303:

    Yeah, they’re both good. Tbh though, this SOPA one is one of favourites. Worth watching.

  33. Roca.:

    Kotaku is reporting that the X720 will use Bluray instead of DVDs.

    wait…what!!?

    …poor Godless, he seriously thought MS was going to develop and manufacture their own optical format. LMAO

  34. oldschool1987:

    “Kotaku is reporting that the X720 will use Bluray instead of DVDs.”

    Call me ill informed but Doesn’t Sony own Blu Ray? Why would they allow MS to use it? Any other company I’d let them use it but after all of MS’ back room exclusive stealing from a few years ago and all their bitching about the PS3 being poor, I’d tell them to do one.

  35. Roca.:

    @oldschool
    “Why would they allow MS to use it?”

    licensing fees 8)

    I don’t think Sony owns Bluray but they are one of the major shareholders.

    Sony certainly has the largest market share on bluray players.

  36. Roca.:

    I wonder why Microsoft never tried to make a Bluray add-on like they did with that HD-DVD garbage.

    if the 360 will in fact uses bluray disc…Sony probably already knows about it and they will likely up their game with a one of those 100GB Bluray disc for the PS4.

  37. phranctoast:

    Where is HappyHomo when you want to see him?

    but but but…..lol

  38. CarlB:

    Favorite moment from Dans video is at 3:03, “Don’t cry, Disney owns the rights to that emotion.”

    No. Sony doesn’t own Blu-ray, it is a shareholder as roca said.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association

    It’s in Sony’s best interest to let Microsoft use Blu-ray, as there would be far more potential sales. 720 can still have a proprietary format for it’s game disks, kind of like Vita has it’s own propriety (expensive) SD cards, except 720 would still be capable of reading regular blu-ray disks.

    “Sony probably already knows about it and they will likely up their game with a one of those 100GB Bluray disc for the PS4.”

    Technical supremacy certainly served them well in sales when competing against Wii. Regardless, I still prefer PS3, and I can’t see them releasing a PS4 after 720 that is not more powerful in some aspect.

  39. CarlB:

    “I wonder why Microsoft never tried to make a Bluray add-on like they did with that HD-DVD garbage.”

    Too busy adding HD streaming and downloads instead.
    Netflix kind of caught on. Just a wee bit.

  40. oldschool1987:

    Carl, like I said, I’m ill informed on the subject.

    Lmao @ Phranc!

  41. Barnabe Jones:

    M$ is not a hardware manufacture, as evidenced by the RROD, and E74 epidemics.

    Before BluRay won, Sony and a number of studios were supporting BluRay, and a handful of other studios were supporting HD DVD. M$ lazily thew its support behind HD DVD mainly to try and oppose Sony

  42. Roca.:

    @Carl
    “Technical supremacy certainly served them well in sales when competing against Wii”

    it served us (gamers) very well with with amazing titles such as Uncharted, God of War, Heavy Rain, Infamous, Killzone, etc

    LMAO @ Phranc

    http://www.msxbox-world.com/features/article/990/will-some-xbox-gamers-jump-ship-to-ps4.html

  43. CarlB:

    @roca, like I said, “Regardless, I still prefer PS3, and I can’t see them releasing a PS4 after 720 that is not more powerful in some aspect.”

  44. Barnabe Jones:

    http://editorials.teamxbox.com/xbox/2166/Ways-to-Extend-Xbox-360-HD-DVDs-Life/p1/

    ^I guess they found some use for the 360 after all ;)

  45. CarlB:

    As for “News Bot’s” article, saying some gamers will buy PS4 instead of 720 is like saying some people prefer coffee as opposed to tea in the morning. Wii (and to a much lesser extent 360 and Kinect) proved there is a larger market with casuals and “core” is now a minority. Zelda and Halo still sell millions. So they focus more on 3-5 exclusives (which even PS3 owners here say they keep a 360/Wii for) a year instead of 10-15+. The majority of well reviewed “core” games are still multiplat (and still wind up selling tens to hundreds of thousands more on 360), while the majority of gamers are casual gamers.

    They also mention Move being more dedicated to core gamers, but as a core gamer I still don’t care (because it still doesn’t have any high quality exclusives) and it seems to be getting Sony nowhere. It still does nothing for me over a regular controller beyond provide some occasional novelty, and that only in a handful of titles. Why would I bother paying ~$100 for that?

  46. Roca.:

    LMAO @ BJ

    I bet that’s exactly what HH is doing with that piece of junk

  47. CarlB:

    Still getting a 3G Vita Roca?

    -an extra $50 for the hardware itself
    -up to $30 a month in service fees.
    -AT&T and Sony will only allow for basic functions to be accessed over 3G
    -4G

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/why-you-shouldnt-buy-a-3g-ps-vita

    I think I’d go for the wifi instead, because it doesn’t even look like Skype is going to be an option.

  48. CarlB:

    …let alone online multiplayer.

  49. Roca.:

    not getting the 3G version anymore CarlB.

    I’ll put the $50 I’m going to save towards a 32GB memory card…

    And as I said before…my phone can be used as a 4G (much better than 3G :) wireless hotspot.

  50. CarlB:

    I don’t blame you roca, it just doesn’t seem worth it.

    Now there’s reports that the remote play is laggy also.
    And $100 for a 32GB SD Card? That’s three times as much as regular SD… ridiculous. I’m sticking to UC on my PS3.

  51. Roca.:

    LOL

    the $50 dollar one.. I think it’s the 16GB then.

    I don’t care about remote play anyways. I’m going to play Vita games on my Vita…not PS3 games.

    But What I’m really interested in is those Vita/PS3 hybrid games like Ruin :)

    Play on consoles, continue on the go (PS3 doesn’t need to be powered on)

  52. CarlB:

    I thought you were getting the 1st Ed. Bundle… wouldn’t that be $100 you save? There’s an SD card right there, or two UC quality games.

  53. Roca.:

    I was going to get the 1st Ed Bundle but then I realized I was also going to spend an extra $50 on the 16GB memory stick as the 4GB that’s included probably won’t be enough….especially since I’m planning to get a few downloadable games day 1…Escape Plan and Super Stardust Delta

  54. CarlB:

    http://www.gamefly.com/psvita/

  55. Roca.:

    nice…but used Vita games don’t earn you trophies

  56. CarlB:

    Little Deviants doesn’t seem like it would be worth it either. I’m waiting for the 90+ games.

    http://www.metacritic.com/games/playstation-vita

  57. CarlB:

    What? You have to buy games in order to get trophies?
    Blegh. I’m not even going to be bothered then. They’re already making a ~$100+ profit on each Vita, digital sales, retail software sales, etc. now they have to gimp rentals and used games? It’s when companies get greedy like this that I turn them off. First they didn’t incorporate trophies for years until fans finally convinced them, now they are already exploiting them for profit. No thanks.

  58. CarlB:

    I expected something like that from MS on 360/720.
    Not Sony. They’re already going to have a hard enough time competing with 3DS… then they go and pull something like this. You just lost another sale Sony.

  59. Roca.:

    well I for once support the developers on this one. they spend millions developing their games and they don’t see a penny from the used game market.

    If you were a developer you would understand where they coming from. You still can play their games, just not earn trophies.

    It’s pretty much the same model as online pass and package DLC

  60. Roca.:

    3DS games dont earn you trophies…even when you buy them new ;)

  61. CarlB:

    “they spend millions developing their games and they don’t see a penny from the used game market”

    And they make millions on top quality games regardless.
    You don’t seriously want to see used games go away do you? This is just a first step on that path.

    And good developers still give DLC away for free. DLC is free all the time for games and they still make boatloads of money. Trophies are just another form of DLC. Besides, rental companies like GameFly and Blockbuster buy millions of games, providing more sales for older games.

    I’d rather see no trophies than see them exploited for profiteering. Not even Microsoft has gone that far.

  62. CarlB:

    What’s next, they start the same crap on PS3 or PS4?
    B.S.

  63. CarlB:

    “In order to earn Trophies in a pre-owned Vita game, all you need to do is delete ALL of its data, thus making it factory fresh once more. To be honest, that’s the first thing we do anyway when we buy a pre-owned game.”

    http://www.gamesradar.com/vita-locks-users-trophies-game-cards-not-quite-stringently-it-first-appears/

    Myth… busted.

  64. Roca.:

    “You don’t seriously want to see used games go away do you? This is just a first step on that path.”

    were you a big supporter and the whole DD thing? once that happens you can kiss good buy to the used games.

    iPhone and Android are all DD..Nintendo doesn’t let you delete saved files (on most games)

    supporting used games is just as bad as supporting pirated games. Microsoft is already profiting on used and new games by restricting online play….and the next Xbox is supposedly not going to read used discs

  65. Roca.:

    @Carl

    it’s not a myth…it’s a fact

    “You can only earn trophies on the PS Vita system on which you first start a game. If you play the game on another PS Vita system, you will not be able to earn trophies. If you sign up for PlayStation®Network, you can earn trophies on the other PS Vita system.
    With the PS Vita card inserted in the PS Vita system that you first used to start the game, sign up for PlayStation®Network, and then start the game. Next, insert the PS Vita card into the other PS Vita system on which you want to play the game, and then sign up for PlayStation®Network using the same account. You are recognized as the same player who first started the game, and then you will be able to earn trophies.”

    “Information about trophies you have earned is saved on the PS Vita system. You can only earn trophies on the first PS Vita system that you start a game on. You cannot earn trophies for that game on other PS Vita systems. If you sign up for PlayStation®Network, you can save information about the trophies you have earned on PlayStation®Network servers. When you play the game on a different PS Vita system, if you sign up for the same PlayStation®Network account, you can earn additional trophies on that system. It is recommended that you regularly synchronize your trophy information with PlayStation®Network servers.”

    http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/psvita/game/game_card.html

  66. CarlB:

    “were you a big supporter and the whole DD thing?”

    Yes, I fully support buying games for less online than I could by them used.

    “iPhone and Android are all DD..”

    iOS is DD, and all the games I have bought for it have free trophies/achievements/updates/DLC/etc. while the games themselves (take GTA CW for example) are still a fraction of the cost.

    “supporting used games is just as bad as supporting pirated games”

    No. Simply no. Rentals and pirating have been around for decades. The difference is one is legal and actually supports the industry.

    “it’s not a myth…it’s a fact”

    Myth.

    “The truth is that if another Vita has played your game, it’s then locked to that machine and account, and you’ll have to do a factory reset on the card, deleting all saves, to open it up.
    Of course, if you don’t care about trophies then sure – you can hop into the game and start playing without any more fuss, but given that the games store some data on them it’s obvious that something like this would have to happen to ensure people don’t get easy trophies just by loading a save game.”

    http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/12/20/used-vita-game-erase-it-or-no-trophies/

  67. CarlB:

    And I’m sorry but I’m not buying the whole “starving devs and pubs” because of the used games market. Books and movies do fine without trying to get rid of libraries and used books/movies, and the games industry has already outstripped them both with record making profits on an annual basis. This isn’t about trying to survive it’s about trying to make as much money as possible. Billions every year. Thank God for used games and rentals.

    If devs and pubs really wanted to cut the games market and make more profit then all they would have to do is offer the downloadable version for less or the same price as the used hard copy. Considering they don’t have to pay for manufacturing, shipping, etc. it’s a fairly reasonable solution.

    Yet we consistently see downloadable PSN versions of games going for the same price or more than even the retail hard copy, let alone a used copy:

    Mortal Kombat:
    PSN $49.99
    Amazon (new) $46.80
    (used) $38.46

    Crysis 2:
    PSN $39.99
    Amazon (new) $34.23
    (used) $23.99
    Steam

    Rainbow 6 Vegas (the game is four years old for cryin’ out loud):
    PSN $19.99
    Amazon (new) $17.88
    (used) $9.48
    Steam $9.99

    Greed is ugly. At least Steam charges competitive prices.

    Look. The same thing happened with the RIAA/MIAA. They’ve still got pirates, they still have used copies for less, and they got all pissed with Apple for offering new songs for $.99 to $1.99 and $9.99 to $12.99 for new movies for yet you don’t see Lady Gaga or Angelina Jolie living in cardboard boxes today, let alone their agents, producers, directors, etc.

    Games cost up to 5 times the amount of your average blockbuster movie online. So don’t give me that bleeding heart for developers and publishers going hungry spiel.

  68. oldschool1987:

    “Play on consoles, continue on the go (PS3 doesn’t need to be powered on)”

    How does that work? Say I want to play UC3 on the go surely I’ll need the console on to send the Vita the data?

    “well I for once support the developers on this one. they spend millions developing their games and they don’t see a penny from the used game market.”

    I really do not support them for this, film companies spend much much more on making films and sell the DVDs for half the price and you don’t see them trying to stump out the used market, you don’t even try to see them blocking, let’s say special features if it’s been bought second hand. It’s just another way for greedy corporations to rob us (MS, Activision, Capcom, to a much lesser extent Sony).

  69. oldschool1987:

    Carl beat me to the movie example (*whispers* I think he stole it from me on the other article where I mentioned it lol).

  70. CarlB:

    “How does that work? Say I want to play UC3 on the go surely I’ll need the console on to send the Vita the data?”

    As long as your console is on standby (plugged in) and connected to the internet Vita can turn it on via the internet from anywhere in the world. It doesn’t seem to be working that well… yet.

    http://www.ign.com/blogs/greggy-ign/2012/01/18/vitas-remote-play

  71. oldschool1987:

    Yeah I know remote play is laggy as hell atm but I can’t see Sony keeping it that way, PS3 games on the go is one of the main selling points.

    So you can have your ps3 off (just a red light) and only have the Vita connected online? My head is baffled lol

  72. Roca.:

    “Games cost up to 5 times the amount of your average blockbuster movie online. So don’t give me that bleeding heart for developers and publishers going hungry spiel”

    Movie makers make most of the profit from the theatrical release…and that market is bigger than gaming market so they can set the entry price low compare to games.

    and if a movie tanked in the theaters and still get few other changes to make a few bucks with the releases of the DVD version, Bluray, Download, iTunes, youtube, and cable network, etc.

    Movies even make money by showing a product of a specific brand during the entire movie (Apple, Coke, Lexus, etc)

    Game developers gets one change to make profit and that’s it…

    if you love gaming then why not support those who create them those amazing experience we all love.

  73. phranctoast:

    LOL @ comparing the different medias.

    Movies make money on theatrical release, AND once it comes home.

    Games ONLY make money when they come home.

    Who would even bother to go to the movies if you can watch the same movie in your home the same date?

    My couch is more comfortable, the clarity of my screen completely kills the theatre and the sound is also better.

    I do agree that PSN needs to get it’s prices right for DD games. I won’t buy retail as DD because of the space requirements anyway. I still have few too many 1 hour demos to get through to make some room.

  74. Roca.:

    Also, I pretty sure movie studios get a cut from movie rentals.

  75. oldschool1987:

    That’s as maybe but they don’t make money from second hand or people lending between friends. MS and other companies are even trying to stop this. Games cost less to make and are priced higher than films. Hell even COD has made billions but they still want to stop it being bought second hand. It’s criminal.

  76. ncaissie:

    “Rainbow 6 Vegas (the game is four years old for cryin’ out loud):
    PSN $19.99
    Amazon (new) $17.88
    (used) $9.48
    Steam $9.99″
    I got it and 2 for $3 each.

  77. ncaissie:

    “How does that work? Say I want to play UC3 on the go surely I’ll need the console on to send the Vita the data?”
    When you think you ps3 is off it’s not. It’s in standby mode. That’s why you can turn you ps3 “on” by pushing the ps button on the controler.

  78. oldschool1987:

    “. That’s why you can turn you ps3 “on” by pushing the ps button on the controler.”

    Really??? I’ve been blaming the mrs for not shutting down the console properly and just pressing the power button on the machine lmao.

  79. ncaissie:

    Lol

  80. CarlB:

    “that market is bigger than gaming market”

    Movies were outstripped by games over two years ago.
    Games have a much larger market than movies now.

    “and if a movie tanked in the theaters and still get few other changes to make a few bucks with the releases of the DVD version, Bluray, Download, iTunes, youtube, and cable network, etc.”

    and if a game tanked at release it still gets a chance to make a few bucks with the releases of the compilation version, releasing on more consoles/platforms (PC, iOS, etc.), download, Steam, OnLive, and GameFly, etc.

    “Movies even make money by showing a product of a specific brand during the entire movie (Apple, Coke, Lexus, etc)”

    Games even make money by showing a product of a specific brand during the game. Hell, even entire games have been made around these brands (Burger King, 7-up, Doritos, etc.)

    “Game developers gets one change to make profit and that’s it…”

    Avatars, themes, DLC, episodes, HD versions, merchandising, collectors editions, GotY editions, online versions, etc. all say hello.

    “if you love gaming then why not support those who create them those amazing experience we all love.”

    I do. I buy the hardware and one or two games every year that I think really appeal to me. I buy the games online that are priced reasonably (i.e. not still priced @$20 half a decade after it’s release) after a period of time.

    I also buy games from other sources such as GameFly (who bought plenty copies at launch). The concept is that if a game is REALLY good, people will want to buy it at launch and own it, and pay a premium for that privilege. If it’s not that good, or if they have too many copies for the demand, as in the case of GameFly, they sell it. If I didn’t support them I wouldn’t buy games at all, I’d just pirate them. There is a difference.

    “LOL @ comparing the different medias.”

    LOL @ the same racket of profiteering going on and games making even more money than any other media. Even funnier is the premium some pay for the exact same game they already own just because they took out backwards compatibility in their console of preference.

    “Games ONLY make money when they come home.”

    Or when they make a portable version, or the game becomes a movie, or merchandising, etc. Games already make a ton more than movies, and movies make a ton.

    “Who would even bother to go to the movies if you can watch the same movie in your home the same date?”

    Why bother to eat out when you can eat the same meal at home? I don’t go to the movie theater any more. I don’t need to. I’ll wait for the movie to come out on rental or streaming. But in answer to your question, if it did release the same date, it would probably be the same people who still watch older movies in the theater, go to the drive-in, or to IMAX. Why do people continue to think that everything should stay the same while technology moves on?

    “I do agree that PSN needs to get it’s prices right for DD games.”

    Agreed then. When will they ever learn that the only way to beat pirates and the used games market is to simply provide more value for a reasonable price? The answer? When people stop paying premium prices. And that will never happen because the people who are paying now NEED to justify their purchases to themselves and others. They will ALWAYS pay a premium for “the new shit” (and probably leave it on their shelf amongst several others half played), regardless of whether or not they truly enjoy it. Consumerism at it’s finest.

    “Also, I pretty sure movie studios get a cut from movie rentals.”

    Guess What?

    “(Game) Publishers like renting as it takes away from trade-ins. The problem with trade-ins is the publisher doesn’t get any money. The advantage of renting is that they get quite a lot of money.”

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-21-video-game-rentals-to-eradicate-pre-owned-sales

  81. phranctoast:

    For a change of pace, you should respond to your own post and rip it apart carlb. It was so filled with silly hypotheticals I’m going to take the high road and leave it alone.

    I will award an ‘A’ for the effort. You missed your true calling by being in the marines, but who the f really needs more lawyers.

  82. ncaissie:

    Lol I agree with carlb on this one. Even though there are plenty of movies to watch at home ( hell I still have 15 DVDs from the blockbuster closing ) I still spend $hundreds on movies at the theater. A family of five is not cheap when $.05 worth of popcorn cost $5.

  83. CarlB:

    And you missed your calling, but who really needs more critics?

    You can’t “rip it apart” so now I should? Funny.
    Providing specific examples that have already happened are “hypotheticals” now?
    You must be using the “Phranclin” dictionary.

    Sorry, but I just don’t support the position that we should all spend more money for a medium we are already paying plenty for in an industry that already makes billions every year, more than even the movie and music industry (which are extremely healthy even with the same/similar problems).

    Rentals support the gaming industry, and there simply wouldn’t be as many people who could afford to buy as much new games at launch if they couldn’t resell them or rent others.

    As we move more towards digital downloads, streaming, and renting physical copies, all which support the industry, the used games industry is naturally declining regardless. There is absolutely no good reason beyond profiteering to not only artificially hasten that decline, but also hurt the rental industry, by putting further digital restrictions on physical discs that would limit their full usage to only one account/machine.
    http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/719243/skyrim-ships-10-million-copies-becomes-fastest-selling-steam-title/

  84. ncaissie:

    Come on Carl, lower income people have no right to game!

  85. CarlB:

    Even my local library has used games.

  86. CarlB:

    At least some are learning how to incentivize new purchases properly:

    http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/10589.html

  87. The Future of Sega:

    Hey do you guys leave your PS3 in stand-by mode or do you completely turn it off?

  88. CarlB:

    stand-by.

    My monthly electric was $38. The lady from SoCal Edison said I must be doing something right because it is the lowest she had ever seen.

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