Cheaper downloadable PS Vita games a step in the right direction

February 1, 2012

Cheaper downloadable PS Vita games a step in the right direction Video game publishers have always been reluctant to price digital versions of games lower than its retail counterparts. After all, it only makes sense that the digital version be cheaper as there is no manufacturing cost.

Publishers may fear that pricing digital versions of the game may eat into their profits as gamers can share downloads with other people. That is probably one of the major downsides to digital distribution for the publisher, as they must account for the same game being downloaded at the most five times.

According to Shack News, Sony may be looking to break the mold with the PS Vita, as the handheld will have a digital version available for every retail release title. It appears that the digital version will be cheaper than the retail copy of the game by around 10 percent or so.

A Sony spokesperson responded to Shack News, by writing:

I can confirm that there will be a discount on the downloadable PS Vita titles from PSN. Exact details have not yet been revealed, but be on the lookout for an announcement in the very near future.

A screenshot taken at a Best Buy store reveals that the digital versions are about $5 cheaper than the retail prices. While its not a huge difference, this is still a step in the right direction for consumers.

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96 Responses to “Cheaper downloadable PS Vita games a step in the right direction”

  1. CarlB:

    “It appears that the digital version will be cheaper than the retail copy of the game by around 10 percent or so.”

    So very kind and considerate of them, considering the retailer usually takes 20% profit from the sale of a physical copy game, while the publisher takes about 30% and now doesn’t have to even put it on a disc, in a case, or on a truck.

  2. Godless:

    you can you the 10% saving to pay for a fraction of the cost of the memory card needed to save it on. end result is that it probably costs 20% extra.

    I guess if you chip in with 5 mates then distribute it, then there is a saving to be made :D

  3. Barnabe Jones:

    Yes I’m outraged that they’re giving us a discount, but still making a profit. Who do they think they are?!?!?! A business or something?!?

  4. Barnabe Jones:

    I’d feel much better if they at least raped us on fees to play online.

  5. Barnabe Jones:

    Godless,

    You’re complaining about the memory cards, but yet I’m sure you had no problem buying an overpriced HDD for your 360.

  6. Barnabe Jones:

    And a Wifi adapter.

  7. Roca.:

    and power brick

    and charging cable

    and memory cards (I remember a 512MB card originally cost $50)

  8. Barnabe Jones:

    and a rechargble controller ;)

  9. phranctoast:

    Right after Sony starts doing the right thing with non propietary hardware, they pull this MS like stunt with the memory cards. Feels like going right back to the past.
    Maybe we can have disc read errors too.

    At least they’re bundled reasonably.

  10. Godless:

    What?

    I can get a wireless 360 controller for £29. I have rechargeable batteries, that last for at least a week at a time. I like the fact that I can change the batteries when they get flat, without having to plug in a charge lead.

    I have a wired 360 controller I got for £24 which I use on my game room console.

    Right now it would cost around £50 for a PS3 controller. A total rip off. and the charge lead is shit it 24″ long FFS, what the fuck use is that to anybody? when the machine was in the main room, you had to stop playing plug in the controller then leave it to charge. . You morons think this is a better solution? .thank fuck you don’t work in engineering.

    I’ve never bought a 360 HD my first came with a 60GB the second with a 250GB. good thing is, with a 360 you don’t need an HD unless you want to download add-ons etc, in which case you should buy one with an HD

    power supply? really roca, this is a problem for you. .LMAO

    Fanboys or what?

  11. Roca.:

    “Yes I’m outraged that they’re giving us a discount, but still making a profit. Who do they think they are?!?!?! A business or something?!?”

    I was going to say something similar.

  12. Roca.:

    @Godless
    way to go avoiding all the other Microsoft ripoffs and focusing on the controller instead.

    but even then, buy a PS3 controller + a charging cable (15ft cable for $3) will be cheaper than buying a 360 controller + than play&charge kit.

    Godless, the power supply is not a problem for me but at least PS3 (both models) use cheap standard AC adaptor..while MS used to charge $100 for it and they are going for ~$40 used at gamestop.

    and just because you never bought an HDD doesn’t mean MS was not ripping off its users with overpriced & propietary HDD, ffs the 20GB HDD originally cost $100 and the 512MB memory card $50 – what a ripoff.

    Kind of sad you seeing you defending this.

    $100 for a wifi adaptor when PSP, DS Lite, phones and other cheap devices comes with wifi already built-in?

  13. Godless:

    Hey, I’m not defending the rip off prices, I personally would never buy them, for that very reason.

    I am always really careful when I buy stuff, I buy what I need, so I have never felt like I have been ripped off by MS or Sony, but to buy second or third PS3 controller is going to cost me £50. That’s £20 more than buying a 360 controller. and I would like the option to have battery packs for the PS3, I hate the plug & charge thing.

  14. jojo29:

    Dude, batteries have costs you more over the years…battery packs here run just under $10 for a pack of 4…two packs and your already over the price odlf a ps3 controller….dont compare hardware engineering because Sony shits all over MS…

    Also, it takes one round of a bf3 conquest map to have enough charge on the controller to last you the rest of the day/night..i JUST did this last night with roca…charged it one bf3 round, had dinner, came back played with my friend, then watched a couole episodes of big bang theory….for one session of maybe 20 minutes i got over let see 1 hour for dinner and a couole episodes of BBT…well say 3 hours worth if charge not including the time o played with roca and not counting how much charge i have left today when i get home…and im still on my original phat 80 gb controller

  15. Godless:

    dude, I have the same rechargeable I had when I bought the console.

    Wait till you have kids, you’ll need a minimum of 20 or so just to keep there zuzu pets and other assorted toys in power, I bough an extra set of 4 batteries for my controllers costing less than £10. .and they get used on everything.

    You prefer the charge lead, I prefer batteries, I’m not going to argue with you on this one.

  16. Barnabe Jones:

    I don’t have a 360, but I hate that about the Wii. You need to always make sure you have a few packs of batteries on hand.

    There’s nothing more annoying than having your batteries die in the middle of a game, and you don’t have any spare. It’s 2012. That shouldn’t even be an issue nowadays.

    Plus the matter of cost, and damage to the environment.

  17. phranctoast:

    I never had a problem charging the controller. I charge one while I use the other… OMG..crazy concept.

  18. jojo29:

    Godless
    You started this by making this an engineering issue…in which batteries are more costly and bad for the environment and more hinderance to the consumer….

    I dont plan on having kids so the battery issue is moot…i havr more.than enough nieces and nephews to know battery costs..

    And yes… i did say a battert pack if was less than $10….but our dollar is less than yours…so your 10 is more for us…

  19. oldschool1987:

    “Right now it would cost around £50 for a PS3 controller. A total rip off.”

    £50 Godless? Someones telling porkies

    h**p://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B005UB1KOE/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1328203928&sr=8-1

    “I am always really careful when I buy stuff, I buy what I need, so I have never felt like I have been ripped off by MS or Sony, but to buy second or third PS3 controller is going to cost me £50″

    h**p://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation3/4-/17040962/Sony-PS3-DualShock-3-Wireless-Controller-Classic-White/Product.html?searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=0&searchstring=dualshock+3&urlrefer=search

    If you were careful you would have easily seen it isn’t £50 but £21 here…

  20. CarlB:

    “giving us a discount, but still making a profit”

    Yes. We should all be pleased as punch and say thank you may I have another when they profit 35% more automatically, decide to charge us 400% more for the media on which to store said games, reap most all the positive aspects of digital distribution, leave us with most all the negative aspects of it, and decide to call it “giving” us a 10% discount when we are already paying premium prices. Thank you so very much for allowing us to fill your coffers at an even greater rate. What a load of swill.

    And yes, PS3′s controllers are built much better than
    360′s. They hold a charge longer and they last longer. I had the rechargeable battery packs and would periodically have to replace them because they wouldn’t hold a charge as well over time. I never tried individual rechargeable batteries inside the specially made packs, but neither would I want to.

    Switching between two controllers is much more convenient than tinkering with individual rechargeable batteries more often. If you do have to use rechargeables though, go with Eneloop.

    http://www.eneloop.info/

  21. oldschool1987:

    I think DD prices are a complete joke, it’s digital ffs! It should be half the price but somehow some games on DD cost up to 30% more than a brand new game at full RRP. Sort out the prices and I’ll happily download Vita games instead.

  22. Roca.:

    Great catch oldschool

    Godless – “I have a wired 360 controller I got for £24″

    Godless – “Right now it would cost around £50 for a PS3 controller. A total rip off”

    Oldschool – “If you were careful you would have easily seen it isn’t £50 but £21 here” [provided links]

    This why I hate wheng Godless goes on listing prices based on deals or fire sales..because he can pick and chose when to list the “sale” price or the MRSP.

    In this case, he used the cheapest price he could find for the 360 controller, but used the MSRP for the PS3 controller…

    wow…nice strategy, you almost got me there\sarcasm.

    Just like you said LBP cost $10..no it doesn’t, its MRSP is $30 and jojo got a $30 game for free – there’s no way around this.

    but based on your “sale” price:

    -”Wired” 360 controller (no batteries or cable included) cost £20

    -The “wireless” (no batteries or cable included) £29

    -The dualshock 3 (wireless, built-in battery & cable comes with the PS3) cost £21

    PS3 controller seems like the best deal in the short and long term…thanks for reminding us how MS has been ripping you off all these years

  23. Roca.:

    let’s stick with the MSRP from now on.

    thanks

  24. Barnabe Jones:

    Not sure where these margin percentages are coming from.

    I’d wager this would be very similar to the Vita. Looking at the price of the components, and subtracting that from the retail price, to find profit, is incorrect. You’re not accounting for manufacturing costs, logistics costs, marketing costs, R&D Costs, etc, etc

  25. Barnabe Jones:

    ^ that was for carl b btw.

  26. Roca.:

    “And yes, PS3?s controllers are built much better than 360?s”

    since we’re talking about the 360 vs PS3 controller..

    I read that MS is working on a smaller controller for the Xbox 720 brining closer to the dualshock 3′s size.

    If true, this just proves that Sony have had the best controller design and that’s why it has changed in over 15 years. I wonder what Godless is going to say next gen…PS3 controller are too big for his tastes ;)

  27. CarlB:

    Oh but that’s “business” OS… we should always be overjoyed when someone marks up something 35% and decides to give us a 10% discount, then be eager to fork over 400% more for the same functionality in product. Truly, some here would seem to argue it’s our “duty” as good consumers, because, you know, the industry isn’t making hardly any profit right now. The CEO’s are practically on street corners with tin cups.

  28. oldschool1987:

    “PS3 controller are too big for his tastes”

    Probable that they don’t like the colour lol.

  29. oldschool1987:

    The way I see it games make more money than movies now but they charge us too much for the games when there’s no need. DD prices are criminal for what they are, do they take into account how much it will cost some people to download as well if they have a limited amount of data? I’m lucky I have unlimited but some people pay for what they use.

  30. Roca.:

    at least their giving us a discount on downloads…I don’t see Microsoft or Nintendo doing anything like it.

    While I can agree 10% not much… ~10% discount has been Gamestop business model for used games for decades and it’s served them well since consumers keep shopping used of a ~10% discount.

    at least Sony is starting the download discount ‘revolution’..

    If your a Xbot (Godless, CON, etc) you shouldn’t even comment on this – since Microsoft, instead of discounting or removing the online gaming fee, gave you a 20% increase.

  31. Mike Ferro:

    Publishers have been reluctant to price digital downloads lower than its retail counterpart for half a decade now, just like they are cautious of going 100% digital. Its akin to the back and forth with Hulu/Microsoft with the TV networks on streaming channels over the Internet.

    They know its a path if you start heading down, sooner or later you will have to start price matching with the used game market.

    I agree, more progress needs to be made on this front going forward but I also feel that this is a good start as I assume Sony had to twist some arms for all the publishers to agree to this as well as to make every single game made available as a digital format.

  32. CarlB:

    “Not sure where these margin percentages are coming from.”

    The 35% is from digitally distributed game sales.
    The publisher, who usually takes 30% on a game sale, no longer has to press it to disk, put it in a case, have a print manual, wrap it in plastic, ship it in a truck, or even deal with the retailer, who usually takes 20% on a game sale.

    So they are charging the same price (the equivalent of marking up the product) while saving at least 35% of what they would normally spend. In the meantime we have a game we can no longer rent, sell, or buy used and have to store it on an SD card that has been marked up 400%. Then they spin it and say they will “give” us a 10 percent discount out of the goodness of their hearts.

    Technically they don’t have to give us even that “discount”, but even with it, these types of practices and pricing schemes will lead to an extreme decline of sales, as we’ve already seen in Japan.

    But Americans are much more frivolous with their money than the Japanese, so I really can’t fault them for seeing if it will fly. Worst case scenario for us is the market supports these prices (which is the best case for Sony), best case for us is they drop the prices to where more gamers can afford it.

    Right now they are charging more for a portable than they are their home console, and nearly charging the same price for some of the games (especially when considering the added cost of the SD card).

  33. oldschool1987:

    Didn’t MS want to charge for free content from UC3?

  34. oldschool1987:

    UT3*

    Not flaming, just can’t remember if it’s true.

  35. CarlB:

    I see no reason Sony would have to twist publishers arms to go digital. They only stand to profit exponentially more by cutting out the retailer, manufacturing, shipping, and handling.

  36. CarlB:

    “DD prices are criminal for what they are”

    Unfortunately those prices are what the market currently supports. As long as they have gamers willing to not only pay those exorbitant prices, but actually argue for them, they will stay the same.

    Fortunately I see PSN Plus as being the savior for not only PSP on this front, but Vita as well, especially if they ever start offering Vita games with the subscription.

  37. phranctoast:

    “Not flaming, just can’t remember if it’s true.”

    Not exactly.

    They wanted to charge for the content for Gears of War where Epic didn’t want them to.

    Most of the extra content that the PS3 users were able to download for free was made part of the 360 UT3 version which released 6 months or so later.

  38. phranctoast:

    Speaking of DD prices. Apple is screwing up the market by devaluing everything it touches. While as a consumer I want lower prices, but as someone who now looks at a $15 PSN game as being too much, I can see how this effect can hurt the industry.

    CNET was already complaining about the price of PS vita games compared to Mobile devices. Seriously…..

  39. Roca.:

    “I assume Sony had to twist some arms for all the publishers to agree”

    and probably put a few exec’s to the ground.

  40. CarlB:

    “I can see how this effect can hurt the industry.”

    If Apple’s prices had an affect, they have already been felt. The industry is still record breaking in it’s profits.

    Believe it or not, if you sell the same thing for a dollar to 100 million instead of $50 to 1 million you are making twice as much profit.

  41. CarlB:

    Many of the games that have already been out on iTunes for a dollar go for five times that much on PSN.
    They have a point. They just now dropped the price of Chinatown Wars after iTunes already had the HD version out for over a year at $9.99. Sony was still selling the older version for $25.

    Execs complained the same with movies and music, and they are still profiting in droves. It’s about time a company came in and stopped the extreme profiteering going on.

  42. Godless:

    OLdie
    http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation3/4-/17040962/Sony-PS3-DualShock-3-Wireless-Controller-Classic-White/Product.html?

    £21? why do I see £37.80???

    Anyway still a better price than I’ve seen in Aberdeen, or online for that matter, most UK outlets are @ £49.00 So not lying just not come across this deal £37.80. . not £21.

    The batteries thing. I have 2800mah batteries in my 360. They last just as long, if not longer than the PS3 batteries. in the main room it is not practical to have leads everywhere, especially if the kids are jumping around, we often have a 4 of them playing blur or Viva pinata, feeding frenzy etc.

  43. phranctoast:

    “If Apple’s prices had an affect, they have already been felt. The industry is still record breaking in it’s profits.”

    Someone should tell all those studios laying off employees and closing shop altogether.

    “Believe it or not, if you sell the same thing for a dollar to 100 million instead of $50 to 1 million you are making twice as much profit.”

    Believe it or not, not every game sells like plants vs zombies or angry birds.
    Mobile game makers are struggling at that price according to a podcast I listened to.

  44. phranctoast:

    “They have a point.”

    I’m just going to assume that you did not read the article in question.
    They compared the price of uncharted to the 1.99 mobile games as if there could ever be a comparison.

  45. Roca.:

    “They compared the price of uncharted to the 1.99 mobile games as if there could ever be a comparison”

    that’s just ridiculous

  46. Roca.:

    @Godless
    let’s just list MSRP for the sake of fairness. We all know you can always find deals and great sales prices – but listing those prices can sometimes be misleading.

    back when the PS3 was $500-$600 I could’ve said that the PS3 was cheaper than the 360 by finding one on Craiglist for much cheaper.

  47. phranctoast:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Official-Sony-DualShock-Controller-PS3/dp/B005UB1KOE/ref=zg_bs_videogames_39

  48. phranctoast:

    http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/portable-gaming/sony-playstation-vita-review-50002423/

    “Vita games themselves will likely cost around £30, though Uncharted: Golden Abyss is listed on Amazon at a staggering £37.90. That’s dismaying, and it feels like Sony’s not doing much to try and compete with the host of extremely good sub-£1 games available for other mobile gadgets.”

  49. phranctoast:

    “As for the Vita’s rivals, the Nintendo 3DS also produced a ‘meh’ noise when we tested its battery, yielding similar results. A smart phone or iPod touch will also chew through battery if you’re indulging in graphically demanding games. So while the Vita is rubbish away from the mains, we’re not convinced the competition fares any better. We’ll be keeping an eye on the Vita’s battery performance, and if we notice anything else, we’ll update this review to let you know.”

    I can’t get 2 hours of straight gaming on my phone when the battery is fully charged. 3-4 hours of straight gaming seems reasonable there for the Vita.

    “Battery life is not the best, so you’re going to have to find something else to drown out the sound of your neighbour’s snoring on a long-haul flight.

    Sounds like I can fly to and from Florida on one charge.

  50. Roca.:

    Playing 45-min session (a single stage) of “Sentinel 3″ with HD package installed on a my dual-core phone (on airplane mode) eats 50% of the battery life.

    http://www.origin8.com/sentinel3/

    LOL at CNET’s comment

  51. oldschool1987:

    Aye I just clicked that link, the price has been raised again. I swear it was at the 20 mark. Roca did you see it?? Oh well lol.

  52. ncaissie:

    I have a few things to say.
    1. you can’t resell your games or buy used games so fuck that BS.
    2. DD prices do not drop like the disc (media) counterparts.
    3. DD don’t get the big sales you get in retail stores. I picked up AC rev. for $20 new on Boxing day.

  53. ncaissie:

    “Hey, I’m not defending the rip off prices, I personally would never buy them, for that very reason.”
    Bull fucking shit. Are you saying you have a $200 arcade or what ever they call the 360 without a HDD or the $200 4GB model? If not then you spent the $100 difference so you paid $100 for an HDD jut like many other 360 owners.
    God damn you iOS. I keep hitting the space twice on my Mac and PC and expecting a . there. LOL

  54. ncaissie:

    “Wait till you have kids, you’ll need a minimum of 20 or so just to keep there zuzu pets and other assorted toys in power, I bough an extra set of 4 batteries for my controllers costing less than £10. .and they get used on everything.”
    I do go through a shit load of batteries also.

  55. phranctoast:

    “I do go through a shit load of batteries also.”

    Not as much as the Ms…. ;)

  56. CarlB:

    “Someone should tell all those studios laying off employees and closing shop altogether.”

    They are too busy automating those employees jobs to care.

    “Believe it or not, not every game sells like plants vs zombies or angry birds.”

    Not every game sells like UC3 either. The point is, within every genre, the best will be the best selling, regardless of the price, leaving less room for those that can’t match the quality. When the market is saturated with games that followed what the best did last year, there will continue to be a new best each year.

    “Mobile game makers are struggling at that price according to a podcast I listened to.”

    Mobile game makers knew the market and the pricing structure in that market before they decided to get into it. They knew it was the easiest way for their game to get on the market, but should also have had the foresight to know that the competition is extremely fierce.

    There is a strategy to succeeding in every market, and more businesses fail than succeed. As long as you have people succeeding and profiting, it is not a dead business. Not every studio had what it took to succeed in the first gen of video games, I see no reason why it should be different today.

    “I’m just going to assume that you did not read the article in question.”

    That’s a safe assumption considering you didn’t link it. I only went off of what you stated here. Saying some portable games on handhelds are too expensive in relation to smartphones is an understatement.

  57. CarlB:

    I’ll assume the Vita review you linked was the “article” you meant, considering you quoted it afterwards. From the quote, they are directly comparing UC:GA pricing to the Vita’s regular game pricing, saying when it goes over the standard price for a console’s games, it’s crossing a line. It would be like pricing UC3 at $70 when everything else was selling for $60.

    “it feels like Sony’s not doing much to try and compete with the host of extremely good sub-£1 games available for other mobile gadgets.”

    No they are not, nor do they have to at this point in time. What they are doing however is charging up to 5 times as much or more for the same game via Mini’s or PSN. As long as PSN customers are buying them at those prices, they will continue to stay the same.

    “3-4 hours of straight gaming seems reasonable there for the Vita.”

    They criticized the 3DS for the same thing. What they are saying is having as much or more than what came before in the previous gen for battery life would be ideal, and that what the Vita possesses is “strictly average”. You can’t always get ideal battery life, especially with graphically intense games (also specifically mentioned).

  58. CarlB:

    “LOL at CNET’s comment”

    And yet… you bought and played it instead of a PSP/DS/3DS game.

    “1. you can’t resell your games or buy used games so fuck that BS.”

    You don’t need to if the prices are low enough, or lowered enough over time.

    “2. DD prices do not drop like the disc (media) counterparts.”

    Because enough gamers are still willing to pay those higher prices online.

    “3. DD don’t get the big sales you get in retail stores. I picked up AC rev. for $20 new on Boxing day.”

    GOG & Steam have sales all the time. They may not have as many for newer games because they don’t have to clear store shelves for new games.

  59. Roca.:

    “And yet… you bought and played it instead of a PSP/DS/3DS game”

    I got it for free – what I bought and played instead of instead of those shitty touch based games are many PSN games which can be played with the dualshock 3 and has trophies, local mulitplayer/co-op and many other features – free – $0.99 is the right price for an inferior experience.

  60. ncaissie:

    “You don’t need to if the prices are low enough, or lowered enough over time”
    They are no where near low enough. PSN sales are not sales. They are a joke. Like I said I got rainbow six 1 and 2 for $3 each on disk. Look at the price on PSN, $20 or $30.

  61. Godless:

    Caissie
    ““Hey, I’m not defending the rip off prices, I personally would never buy them, for that very reason.”
    Bull fucking shit. Are you saying you have a $200 arcade or what ever they call the 360 without a HDD or the $200 4GB model? If not then you spent the $100 difference so you paid $100 for an HDD jut like many other 360 owners.”

    My first 360 cost me £169, it came with an extra controller & a copy of kung fu panda & Lego indiana jones.

    When I got my 360, the PS3 was still sitting at around £500, if you had a PS3 at this time, then it’s you how wasted money.

  62. Godless:

    “who”

  63. Roca.:

    PS3 will still be cheaper.

    at here in the US the preice difference has never been that much….keep in mind that in 5 years the PS3 cut its price by $350

    The core 360 model has only seen a $100 price cut in 6 years.

    Like ncaissie said – big ripoff.
    PS3 would’ve been cheaper either way, in the short and long run.

  64. twilight:

    It costs more in the long run to own a Xbox360 then a Ps3. The initial entry cost of Xbox360 is cheaper but the long term costs are much higher then owning a Ps3.

  65. Roca.:

    First of all, the PS3 is only $250 — $50 more than the 4GB Xbox

    if you add the XBLG fee, which is a must for 360 owner in order to have a full PS3-like experience, and some batteries down the line and HDD (without it you can’t even play Halo, Kinect and many games that required HDD, instead of internal flash memory)

    The 250GB Xbox cost more than the PS3 right off the bat.

  66. Godless:

    Roca

    US pricing must be different to the UK

    best place to buy a console in the UK just now is Sainsbury! which is really odd, but they have had them cheaper than anywhere else for almost 6 months now

    the 250GB xbox is £155

    http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/xbox-360-250gb-slim-console-matte-for-154-99-choices-uk-1129279?utm_source=google&utm_medium=Deal%2BList&utm_campaign=Expired%2BPage

    the 160GB PS3 from the same store is £190

    hxxp://www.sainsburysentertainment.co.uk/en/Games/PS3/Playstation-3-Slim-Console-160GB/product.html?product=E10365243&utm_medium=basefeed&utm_source=google

    And yes I agree that a couple of years with Gold and the 360 has cost you more, but at the same time, you will have had access to the best on-line community & gaming :D

  67. phranctoast:

    “That’s a safe assumption considering you didn’t link it. I only went off of what you stated here. Saying some portable games on handhelds are too expensive in relation to smartphones is an understatement.”

    Comparing high budget portable gaming to low budget sub $1 games is borderline criminal.

    “Mobile game makers knew the market and the pricing structure in that market before they decided to get into it”

    OK, so not that you agree that it’s not all that good for the developers.. Well.. I agree.

    “I’ll assume the Vita review you linked was the “article” you meant, considering you quoted it afterwards. From the quote, they are directly comparing UC:GA pricing to the Vita’s regular game pricing, saying when it goes over the standard price for a console’s games, it’s crossing a line. It would be like pricing UC3 at $70 when everything else was selling for $60.”

    At no point in time was anything that can even be reasonably taken as this said. In fact, I’ll post the paragraph in it’s entirety…..once again.

    ““Vita games themselves will likely cost around £30, though Uncharted: Golden Abyss is listed on Amazon at a staggering £37.90. That’s dismaying, and it feels like Sony’s not doing much to try and compete with the host of extremely good sub-£1 games available for other mobile gadgets.””

    Vita games will “likely cost” around $30 doesn’t sound all that definitive now does it. It kind of sounds like the guy really doesn’t know how much they’ll cost. How you get “crossing a line” is beyond me. You must have some special “reading between the lines” talent for when it suites you.

    It really can’t be made more simple for people to read and understand. Why you have to complicate that with shit that straight up doesn’t exist is mind boggling.

    They compared the pricing of a top tier PS Vita title with sub $1 games, and said that Sony’s not doing enough to compete.

    False. Sony also has “Minis” available. That’s what they use to compete with sub $1 gaming.

    As for the battery life. The PS Vita battery lasts 4X as long as a smartphone, yet they make it seem like it’s more or less comparable.

    CNET has no problem comparing Top Tier gaming to sub standard gaming when it helps bash on the Vita, but ignore Vita’s positives when it doesn’t help that cause.

    If CNET did anything, they proved they’re an illegitimate source for anything gaming related. Their Twisted Metal preview from the San Francisco event is another clear indicator.
    http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-57371338-48/getting-smashed-in-twisted-metal/?tag=contentMain;contentBody;1n

  68. Roca.:

    @Godless

    PS3 will still be cheaper when you add Gold, batteriesm, separate internet-capable BD3D player..it still offers the most bang for your bucks, best gaming library, best looking games and more features (free to access).

  69. Roca.:

    @Phranc

    LMAO @ CNET’s TM preview

    the dude didn’t even know how to fire or switch weapons…and to make things worse, he had to compare TM to Gran Turismo and Forza.

  70. ncaissie:

    sainsburysentertainment and hotukdeals is the same store? Ok.

  71. Roca.:

    LOL @ ncaissie

    Godless is very smart ;)

  72. Roca.:

    correction*
    he’s NOT very smart ;)

  73. phranctoast:

    @Roca

    I like how it took time to find the gas/accelerator, and then he says *Hint..It’s the square button.

    It’s been the square button since the inception of the series.

    Learn the name of the car for the preview at the very least. Stop calling it the mustang.

  74. Roca.:

    “Stop calling it the mustang”

    LMAO..here are a few funny quotes from the article

    -One massive set of wheels, lacking much in the way of a car body, rolled over me repeatedly”

    Seriously!! Axel, is one of the most iconic TM vehicles.

    -”And there was Twisted Metal’s signature vehicle, the Sweet Tooth ice cream truck, which at some point showed off its Transformers-like capability of turning into a big robot”

    reading the article I got the impression he was playing a MP matches…and I’m pretty sure Sweet Tooth’s ice cream truck can’t transformed into a mech robot in MP matches.

  75. phranctoast:

    “reading the article I got the impression he was playing a MP matches…and I’m pretty sure Sweet Tooth’s ice cream truck can’t transformed into a mech robot in MP matches.”

    I think it can. They balance it out with flying loses turbo.

  76. jojo29:

    ” , you will have had access to the best on-line community & gaming”

    LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOLLLLL……LLLMMMAAAAAOOOOO….oh thank you for this laugh Godless, i needed a boost from this horrid traffic im stuck in….0mph in the last 25 mins….

    Just so you know, out of all the communities out there, LIVE is among the top rated as the WORST gaming communities around….so if by best you mean one of the worst, i agree lol

  77. CarlB:

    “I got it for free”

    Why even bother to download it if you aren’t even going to spend the time to play it?

    “has trophies, local multiplayer/co-op and many other features – free –”

    Yes, iOS games have that as well. Charging 5 times or more for the same exact game on PSN is ridiculous.

    “PSN sales are not sales. They are a joke.”

    I agree… though there are a few exceptions where they include all the DLC… Borderlands and all the DLC for $9.99 was a good example.

    “Comparing high budget portable gaming to low budget sub $1 games is borderline criminal.”

    Fortunately they didn’t do that and only compared it to the Vita’s standard game pricing. Yes, it is borderline criminal to charge practically the same price as a home console game for a portable game.

    “OK, so not that you agree that it’s not all that good for the developers.. Well.. I agree.”

    Right. It’s like thinking you should be a Hollywood star just because you took a few acting lessons and were in a few commercials… not too bright.

    “I’ll post the paragraph in it’s entirety…..once again.”

    Yes. I read the paragraph. It was in context of the entire article.

    “Vita games will ‘likely cost’ around $30 doesn’t sound all that definitive now does it.”

    I believe you meant pounds there. Considering all the other games prices for Vita on Amazon, it might as well be.

    “How you get ‘crossing a line’ is beyond me.”

    Let me put it yet another way. When all the games for a console are at one price (in this case $40 or below) and only one is 20% higher, I consider that “crossing a line”.

    Viz. a lot of people would not pay $70 for a new home console title when everything else is $60 new, so why pay $50 for a new portable title when everything else is priced at $40 or less.

    “said that Sony’s not doing enough to compete”

    Yes. When they charge 5x as much or more for the same game on PSN then they are not doing enough to compete, whether it be full fledged titles like GTA: Chinatown Wars or Minis.

    “(battery life) they make it seem like it’s more or less comparable.”

    It is. To it’s closest competitor, the 3DS, which they already mentioned specifically in the article and they also criticized for not having great batterly life.

    Basically, the Vita (3-4hrs) has an 1-2 hours less battery life than the PSP churning full UMD games would (~5hrs).

  78. phranctoast:

    “Fortunately they didn’t do that and only compared it to the Vita’s standard game pricing. Yes, it is borderline criminal to charge practically the same price as a home console game for a portable game. ”

    Is it? Even if you get the same experience? You aren’t really trying to compare Uncharted to $1 games are you?

    Oh, and they did do that. they compared Uncharted to $1 games, and claimed Sony’s not doing enough to compete.
    The point of the PS Vita, and the PSP were to bring the console like experience to portable gaming. They’re doing just that and these are the games that are getting compared to sub $1 games….!!!!

    “Yes. I read the paragraph. It was in context of the entire article.”

    It appeared that you didn’t. Still appears that way.

    “I believe you meant pounds there. Considering all the other games prices for Vita on Amazon, it might as well be.”

    Nice way to avoid the question. My bad. My keyboard lacks the Sterling. Discussion ended I guess…….

    “Let me put it yet another way. When all the games for a console are at one price (in this case $40 or below) and only one is 20% higher, I consider that “crossing a line”. ”

    Ok. So now you admit that CNET said none of these things.

    “Yes. When they charge 5x as much or more for the same game on PSN then they are not doing enough to compete, whether it be full fledged titles like GTA: Chinatown Wars or Minis.”

    Did Chinatown Wars have an increase in resolution and added trophy support? Is that worth the difference in price? I know Ipad games that get that treatment that were previously purchased as Iphone or Ipod games have to be repurchased.
    The Minis on the other hand seem reasonably priced and comparable.

    “It is. To it’s closest competitor, the 3DS, which they already mentioned specifically in the article and they also criticized for not having great batterly life. ”

    I never mentioned having a problem with the 3DS battery charge.

    My problem is they (CNET) uses Mobile devices to compare game price, but when comparing battery charge they fail to mention that games kill a mobile devices battery is an hour. It’s cherry picking.

    Why are you even defending CNET here? The article was shit. Anyone can see that.

  79. Roca.:

    @Carl
    Why do you always misquoted people to try to make your point?

    Carl’s version of my quote: “has trophies, local multiplayer/co-op and many other features – free –”

    Carl’s response: “Yes, iOS games have that as well. Charging 5 times or more for the same exact game on PSN is ridiculous”

    My original quote: “games which can be played with the dualshock 3 and has trophies, local mulitplayer/co-op and many other features – free – $0.99 is the right price for an inferior experience”

    so does iOS games have dualshock 3 support, local MP & co-op (like PvZ on PSN) and many other extra features? I don’t think so.

    and Vita games price range are $30, $40, and $50 – not definitive at all.

    And the Vita beats smartphone gaming and 3DS in battery life with specs that are 4x – 8x as powerful

  80. CarlB:

    “You aren’t really trying to compare Uncharted to $1 games are you?”

    You aren’t really trying to equate Golden Abyss to UC3 are you?

    “Oh, and they did do that.”

    Interpretation.

    Regardless, The fact is PSN charges up to $5 or more for Minis that go for free to 99 cents on iOS, and it charges $20 or more for games like GTA Chinatown Wars that go for $5 on iOS. This is how they are not competing.

    “Nice way to avoid the question.”

    I didn’t. If you check Amazon you will see all other games are priced $10 less.

    “Did Chinatown Wars have an increase in resolution and added trophy support?”

    Yes. Chinatown Wars HD has both of these.

    “The Minis on the other hand seem reasonably priced and comparable.”

    Not at all. They are charging up to 5x or even more for the same games.

    “My original quote”

    The dualshock makes little to no difference in most minis, which is why I didn’t include it in the quote. The iOS versions have local MP & co-op (like PvZ on PSN) and many other extra features.

    “not definitive at all”

    No other game besides UCGA is priced at $49.99. Most all others are priced at $39.99, with only 3 exceptions at an MSRP of $29.99. It is quite definitive.

    The Vita can’t beat or even match PSP in battery life. It has, in fact, lost 1-2 hours in battery life in comparison to its predecessor. At least it has better graphics.

  81. phranctoast:

    “You aren’t really trying to equate Golden Abyss to UC3 are you?”

    There’s a more subtle difference between Golden abyss and the console versions rather than GA and sub $1 mobile games. Wouldn’t you agree?

    “Interpretation.”
    They compared GA to sub $1 games. It really confusing enough to require interpretation. The clue was the next sentence lol.

    “Yes. Chinatown Wars HD has both of these.”
    So is this difference worth the difference in price?

  82. Roca.:

    “No other game besides UCGA is priced at $49.99. Most all others are priced at $39.99, with only 3 exceptions at an MSRP of $29.99. It is quite definitive”

    Not at all, you just listed 3 different game prices, how definitive is that?

    “No other game besides UCGA is priced at $49.99″

    There’s no other big budget game on the Vita right now bisdes Uncharted and lets not forget the fact that this game could be a console title based on its high production value – in fact, there were probably more work put into Uncharted for the Vita, than all of those $50 Kinect games and certainly more than alot of other $60 console games (probably more than COD)

    and PvZ on PSN is much better than iOS – it supports PSN trophies, dualshock, local (same screen) couch co-op and competitive mode and many other exclusive features.

  83. phranctoast:

    “and PvZ on PSN is much better than iOS – it supports PSN trophies, dualshock, local (same screen) couch co-op and competitive mode and many other exclusive features.”

    PSN Critter Crunch also beats the shit out of it’s iOS counterpart for all the same reasons.

  84. CarlB:

    “There’s a more subtle difference between Golden abyss and the console versions rather than GA and sub $1 mobile games.”

    There is practically no difference between Minis and mobile games.

    “So is this difference worth the difference in price?”

    Paying $15 less for higher resolution and 3 times the screen size on iPad? Depends on the gamer I guess. I would venture to say most would say it is more value for their money.

    “Not at all, you just listed 3 different game prices, how definitive is that?”

    Fine. Vita will have a 3-tiered pricing structure for all it’s retail games.

    “and PvZ on PSN is much better than iOS – it supports PSN trophies, dualshock, local (same screen) couch co-op and competitive mode and many other exclusive features.”

    You don’t need anything beyond touch for PvZ, so dualshock is a non-factor. Everything else iOS either has or is negligible as far as the game itself is concerned.

  85. CarlB:

    OT, I watched Deep Rising the other night for the first time in years… the lead character reminds me a lot of Nathan Drake and the movie reminds me of Uncharted 3.

    Btw, I still think Vita is a great machine, just that PSN charges too much for the same games that go for a lot less on iOS or elsewhere. I can understand where the control would make a great difference in some games, but charging 5 times as much just for a different control scheme? I think that’s going a bit overboard.

  86. CarlB:

    “The pricing is already prompting upset among would-be PS Vita buyers, who have highlighted that taking 10-percent from Sony’s MRSP is still more than some third-party retailers are asking for boxed games.”

    http://www.slashgear.com/ps-vita-us-game-pricing-reveals-stingy-sony-digital-discount-08212612/

  87. phranctoast:

    “There is practically no difference between Minis and mobile games.”

    No but there is a difference between GA and mobile games. Don’t compare them then in the same paragraph if they want to avoid confusion.

    “Paying $15 less for higher resolution and 3 times the screen size on iPad? Depends on the gamer I guess. I would venture to say most would say it is more value for their money.”

    I think most gamers would rather play the game without the controls handicapped.

    “OT, I watched Deep Rising the other night for the first time in years… the lead character reminds me a lot of Nathan Drake and the movie reminds me of Uncharted 3.”

    LOL. I could see that. I also like Nathan Fillion for Drake.
    the Giant squid didn’t make the cut in the final game :)

    “Btw, I still think Vita is a great machine, just that PSN charges too much for the same games that go for a lot less on iOS or elsewhere. I can understand where the control would make a great difference in some games, but charging 5 times as much just for a different control scheme? I think that’s going a bit overboard.”

    I didn’t realize 5X was the norm for the difference. Whether they are minis or full games. I’d like to see more about that.

    “The pricing is already prompting upset among would-be PS Vita buyers, who have highlighted that taking 10-percent from Sony’s MRSP is still more than some third-party retailers are asking for boxed games.””

    E books are another hot topic. Even the authors say they shouldn’t be the price they’re at now.

  88. Roca.:

    @Carl
    “The pricing is already prompting upset among would-be PS Vita buyers, who have highlighted that taking 10-percent from Sony’s MRSP is still more than some third-party retailers are asking for boxed games.”

    Yeah, lets hate on Sony for offering us cheaper downloads when no one else is doing it.

    “discounts on digital copies of games. If you know where to look you can now find Vita games on the Playstation Store and they’re generally priced 10% less than the MSRP of the physical copies. You’d think that would be good news, but nope…instead the anti-Sony contingent is out in force complaining that the discount isn’t big enough. I’d be more sympathetic to these arguments if, generally speaking, digital copies of media were cheaper than physical copies, but that’s just not true.

    For instance, you can purchase Rise of the Planet of the Apes digitally for $19.99 ($14.99 for SD) from outlets like Vudu or Amazon.com streaming video. Or you can buy the 2-disk Blu-Ray combo version (includes a DVD copy) for that same $19.99. Granted that’s the movie business, so let’s look at an example from gaming. Log into your Xbox 360 and compare digital prices of full games to physical prices. For example, The First Templar is available on Xbox Games on Demand for $29.99. The physical version can be had from Amazon for $14.99! (I chose The First Templar since it’s the most recent title available via Games on Demand, not because I recommend it to anyone.)

    Point is, no one is lambasting 20th Century Fox or Microsoft over there being no discount (and sometimes a premium) for the digital versions of their products. Sony makes a policy of a 10% discount across the board and the hate comes rolling in”

    http://www.itworld.com/personal-tech/248898/playstation-vitas-biggest-challenge-gamers-love-hate-sony

  89. CarlB:

    “there is a difference between GA and mobile games”

    No one is denying that, not even CNET in their conclusion:

    “The answer is game selection. Not in terms of volume — you’ll never see it get within spitting distance of the iPod touch’s library, which is tens of thousands of games strong. But there are certain big-hitters that you’ll only get to play on the Vita. Launch title Uncharted: Golden Abyss is a good example, as is Wipeout 2048 or Call of Duty. That’s what the Vita offers when you get down to it, and it’s what Sony’s banking on.”

    “most gamers would rather play the game without the controls handicapped.”

    Only if the analog controls truly add significantly to the gameplay experience. Most games designed for touch control do not gain enough with analog control enabled to justify paying 5x or more for the same game experience.

    “I’d like to see more about that.”

    Dungeon Hunter is a good example.

    “Yeah, lets hate on Sony for offering us cheaper downloads when no one else is doing it.”

    No I just dislike profiteering and misrepresentation in general, which is what Sony is doing here by still charging more online after the discount than what retailers are for a copy on disc that costs much more in real world dollars.

    “no one is lambasting 20th Century Fox or Microsoft over there being no discount”

    I already have “lambasted” Microsoft here several times. I didn’t support 20th Century Fox with any purchases and I have totally boycotted 360 and it’s products altogether for Sony PS3′s. Now Sony is starting to incorporate the same practices on PSN and it’s upsetting because that is the main reason I switched to them in the first place: to avoid price gouging.

    People switched to Sony because they were not doing what Microsoft was. Now when they start to the defense is, “well they’re doing it so why can’t Sony?”… the answer is they can, if they want to lose the same customer support they gained by avoiding such practices in the first place.

  90. CarlB:

    “Even the authors say they shouldn’t be the price they’re at now.”

    Yet the publishers determine what price they go for online, not Amazon or other e-book retailers. The bottom line is those same authors are now able to reach millions more readers and profit more than they were with hard copy alone because of the sheer number of smartphones, laptops, tablets, etc. and their convenience over physical copies of books.

    It’s ridiculous to think one should profit even more than they would have normally when distribution costs are a small fraction of what they used to be. Nothing has to be printed, bound, shipped, or sit on shelves taking up retailer space. Those savings should be passed on to the customer who makes the purchase online, who is left with printing and binding the work if they want to, not the author.

  91. CarlB:

    “I’ve been finding it very surprising that so many didn’t know that when they paid for a game, that they were not actually directly supporting the creators.”

    http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2012/02/why-dont-more-game-developers-see-royalties-from-their-work.ars

  92. Roca.:

    “No I just dislike profiteering and misrepresentation in general, which is what Sony is doing here by still charging more online after the discount than what retailers are for a copy on disc that costs much more in real world dollars”

    Sony is still offering its downloadable games at a discounted price and here you are bitching about it.

    How many DL games you have bought from iOS and XBL that cost just as much as it cost or more on other platforms.

    you’re just being a hypocrite.

  93. CarlB:

    No hypocrisy, I haven’t bought one game on iOS that cost nearly as much as it does on PSN, and I have totally boycotted XBL and 360.

    As for offering “discounts”, used car dealers do the same all the time, but people still get ripped off even when an item is “discounted”. Selling games online for more than they go new at retail, even after a “discount”, is a rip off and is blatant profiteering, plain and simple.

  94. Roca.:

    “blatant profiteering, plain and simple”

    yeah, because a business should not make any profit *roll eyes*

    I got PvZ for my phone for free, I got it for free on Chrome’s Web App store and it was given for free on PSN – you paid for it on iOS so you crealy paid 100x as much and got ripped off – that is blatant profiteering, plain and simple.

    You used to be a XBLG member for years – which is “a rip off and is blatant profiteering, plain and simple” and you supported it for years even though every one else offered those features for Free.

    in fact, based on your theory, any game you bought at full price (Skyrim, any iOS/XBL/PSN/) was a rip off…but you still bought them.

    Sony is offering games at a discount when one else is doing the same. Not the 360, not iOS, not Nintendo, etc – no rip off when you are getting the game cheaper than everyone else.

  95. CarlB:

    “yeah, because a business should not make any profit *roll eyes*”

    No. A business should make a profit, just not profiteer. There is a difference. One is reasonable, the other is not.

    “You used to be a XBLG member”

    And I’m not any longer because I don’t support profiteering.

    Now Sony, who I supported for avoiding this crap in the first place, is starting the same thing, and it is a rip off.

  96. CarlB:

    Don’t get me wrong, I still like some things that Sony is doing, like PSN Plus and great exclusives, I just don’t appreciate moves like PSN Pass all of a sudden after years interfering with plats, the SD card being priced 400% more than standard on Vita, or PSN games being priced more than retail after a “discount”. Stuff like this was in the minority before, but it is starting to gain steam as time goes on, and color me crazy, but I don’t particularly care for that kind of direction.

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