PS4 revealed as Orbis, released in 2013

March 28, 2012

The Playstation 4 is codenamed Orbis, will be out by the end of 2013, and have anti-used games measures similar to the Xbox 720. So, good and bad news in one big hit then.

We all know Microsoft and Sony are working on new hardware, and we’ve known for some time. But it’s only really been this year that any solid rumors have emerged as to what each company is preparing to release and when. We have already heard quite a bit about the next Xbox, codenamed Durango, but now it’s the turn of the next Playstation, codename newly revealed as Orbis.

According to Kotaku, which throughout the report makes clear that things could change over the next 18 months, the PS4 is taking shape. Dev kits have gone out to “select developers,” with others receiving theirs by the end of this year. Sony is planning on releasing the console in time for the 2013 holidays, which looks likely to put it on a crash course with the successor to the Xbox 360.

The name Orbis is Latin for circle or ring. While codenames rarely survive to the final product, they can give clues as to the product in question. Orbis Vita is a common term which means, “The circle of life.” This could imply the two devices linking up in an as-yet-unspecified way. Kind of like the tablet Nintendo is shipping with the Wii U, perhaps.

In terms of hardware the PS4 will likely have an AMD x64 CPU and an AMD Southern Islands GPU. In layman’s terms this means we’re looking at a powerful machine on a par with high-end PCs.

lastly we come to the rumored plans to kill the used games market. Unlike the anti-used games measures Microsoft is supposedly planning to incorporate into the Xbox 720, we actually have some detail on Sony’s plans to keep developers and publishers sweet.

All games will be available to buy in physical or digital formats, but a PSN account will be needed to even get the disc spinning. The game will then be locked to that PSN account and anyone buying a used copy will be limited in what they can do without paying extra. This means Gamestop can stay in business but the whole business of buying and selling used games becomes a lot less attractive.

These are still rumors but they seem to come from legitimate sources. The question now is whether either Microsoft, Sony, or both will reveal anything at E3 2012 in June. With this many leaks springing up perhaps they should do.

57 Responses to “PS4 revealed as Orbis, released in 2013”

  1. Roca.:

    if the rumors are true…the PS3 will way ahead of the X720 in graphics again

    PS4 GPU: *AMD Southern Islands*
    According to the report, the specs select developers are working towards include an AMD x64 CPU and an AMD Southern Islands GPU, the name given to AMD’s 2012 high-end PC cards. The PS4 will apparently be capable of playing games at a resolution up to 4096×2160, and will play 3D games in 1080p

    X720 GPU: *AMD Radeon HD 6670*
    “The AMD Radeon HD 6670 is humble compared to high-end enthusiast graphics chips in AMD’s stable, such as the Radeon HD 6990, and it’s not as fast as older the older Radeon HD 5750 chip”

    http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review/pc_components/amd/radeon_hd_6670/386801

  2. me_:

    “the PS3 will way ahead of the X720 in graphics again”

    If the PS4 gets the gimped version of the 7 series the difference may not be that much. I’m surprised that they’re going with a x86 CPU, seems a little expensive. It will make porting PC games very easy though.

  3. Roca.:

    “If”

    whatever helps you sleep at night ;)

  4. greenLanternfan:

    The ps4 may blow that MS product out of the water, if sources are true, especially if PS4 may have 3GB of ram built inside

    I’m not really looking forward on getting a next gen box, bot 720, or whatever you call that hardware. The only exclusive games that’s probably worth looking at is:

    -Halo (if the graphics looks superior)
    -Gears (looks like a good game, but the characters looks too much like wrestlers).

    It’s just two shooters that looks decent that I would expect on it’s new hardware. The only good games that the xbox currently has is multiplats…and that’s it, which you don’t have to pay for online if you have a playstation or a wii.

    The exclusive games that I’m looking forward on PS4 are:

    -Little Big Planet
    -Gran Turismo 6 (On PS4 maybe. Premium cars are future proof)
    -Killzone 4
    -Uncharted 4
    -God of War 4
    -The Last of Us 2 (If the first one does good)
    -Ratchet and Clank
    -Metal Gear Solid 5

    …and more new IP’s

    There’s other ps3 exclusive games I didn’t put on the list.

    What’s good about ps3 exclusives is that it’s not just the graphics that looks superior, the fact that these games has superior A.I, physics, lighting, animation, etc.

    God of War is like looking at an epic war movie – Awesome greek mythology game that people will recognize.

    Gran Turismo has the best physics on consoles: realistic wheel base, road bumps, precise map measurements, shifting animation on paddles and stick, weight transfer simulation (on curbs), best car detail/graphics etc.

    Killzone feels like you’re fighting war in hell – Supports real time ragdoll physics, which isn’t prebaked like other shooter games you see, beautiful lighting, graphics, etc.

    Uncharted is like an adventure movie – The character animations are awesome. Depending on each situation, your character will animate differently and react with other objects that moves in a different way, one of the best grpahics, textures etc.

    Ratchet and Clank is like watching a Pixar 3d animated movie – Awesome graphics, adventure, and fun.

    Metal Gear Solid has one of the best deep storytelling you’ll experience – Realistic graphical assault rifles, handguns, items etc, and characters modelling, animations etc.

    Little Big Planet is the perfect dream world that you can turn into reality with massive creativity – Awesome puzzles, games, online and fun for both casual gamers and hardcore gamers.

    It just shows these developers are willing to put so much effort with their artwork, creativity, and dedicated to the ps3′s hardware that each game defines it’s own unique style.

  5. me_:

    Even with a bargain basement GPU it’s still going to be a lot more powerful that the CELL/NVidia setup the PS3 has. I think it sounds great!

    I hope they have downloadable remastered PS3 games in HD for it. Backwards compatibility isn’t really an issue for me :D

  6. jojo29:

    Lol as i said
    MS is in trouble next generation for the simole reason that they did not invest in any new or worthwhile ips….

    Halo- is now stalr
    Forza- is about to get over saturated: two forzas this year?!
    Gears- will go multiplat as gears is owned by Epic…who have many complaints about MS not allowing Epic to release community mods or free content, which has resulted in them not being the force and respected developers they once were

    Releasing new ips is too risky according to MS…so what makes you think they will risk new ips and unproven during the new consoles launch??? They wont…

    Meanwhile Sony has not only new ips but existing ips to count on:
    God of War
    Ratchet and Clank
    Gran Turismo
    Jak and Daxter
    Wipeout
    Killzone
    Twisted Metal
    MLB
    all the above are their “established” franchises
    Motorstorm
    Uncharted
    LittleBigPlanet
    Modnation
    Resistance
    infamous
    Warhawk
    Starhawk
    That ICO game i cant ever remember the name if

    Are just some of the new ips theyve brought out…

    If Sony released just one sequel for eacg of the above mentioned titles….they have ~ a yeara worth if “launch titles” right out of the gate…

    Sony wqs indeed humbled this gen, and, as carlb has pointed out, are tge only ones truly listening to their fanbase and giving us what we want….games…they hiccup here and there aka online pass…but in my eyes do more good than bad….i for one will be in line for a launch console for sure…

  7. oldschool1987:

    “All games will be available to buy in physical or digital formats, but a PSN account will be needed to even get the disc spinning. The game will then be locked to that PSN account and anyone buying a used copy will be limited in what they can do without paying extra.”

    If true and they do once again do away with backward comparability then this current generation of consoles will also be my last. What’s the point of releasing all those HD remakes for it to once again be obsolete in a few years time.

    I hope these rumours aren’t true. I expect this sort of tactic from Microsoft but if Sony follow suit then I’ll give up gaming.

  8. oldschool1987:

    Unless Valve release a console then I shall support them instead.

  9. PS3 RULEZ890:

    Here is a list of SONY IPs compared to Microsofts

    SONY
    -Wipeout
    -Twisted Metal
    -Sun Colony
    -Parapper the Rapper
    -Vib Ribbon
    -Jinx
    -Alfred Chicken
    -Super Stardust
    -Calling All Cars
    -Flow
    -Flower
    -Journey
    -Uncharted
    -Jak and Dexter
    -Sly Cooper
    -Ratchet and Clank
    -God of War
    -Infamous
    -Echochrome
    -Ape Escape
    -GT
    -Legend of the Dragoon
    -Extermination
    -DC Universe Online
    -SOCOM
    -Warhawk
    -Starhawk
    -ICO
    -SOFTC
    -The Last Guardiun
    -Killzone
    -Lair
    -Dark Cloud
    -Rouge Galaxy
    -Resistance
    and I could just keep going on you know and for Microsoft you have
    -Halo
    -Gears of War
    -Fonza
    -PGR
    -Fable
    -Perfect Dark
    -Banjo Kazooie
    -Joyride
    -Kinect Adventures
    -Kinect Sports
    and I can’t think of any more that’s not being made by third party studios…oh and Jojo29 the Team ICO game you can’t remember is called The Last Guardiun (notsure if I’ve spellt that properly).

  10. Philistine:

    LOL @ PS3 Rulez

    Carl already dug up the numbers on exclusives, and at the time, the 360 still had more exclusive titles than the PS3, your list is not only very incomplete, but also very bias.

    Back to the new machine

    Orbis Vs 720

    Backward compatibility is a huge issue here.
    The rumours are that the 720 will have full backward compatibility, with many of the games running better and with enhanced graphics, purely as a result of the new hardware.

    Orbis. No backward compatibility at all.

    This alone is a bad mistake by Sony, when you buy a 720, you will be able to play hundreds of games on it from day one, many of which will cost only a couple of quid/dollars, PS$ is at a huge disadvantage here

    As for the specs, we need to wait and see a more detailed hardware breakdown before any statements can be made.

    Couple of things I want to bring up here.

    Why bother with Res above 1080p, very very very few people will have any use of this capability.

    All the new machine needs to be able to do is display 1080p in 3D for maybe 2 players simultaneously. Res above 1080p is simply a waste of time.

    System & Graphics Ram, we still have no idea on how much ram either console will have. obviously the system with most ram will have certain advantages

    CPU & GPU, details are not firm enough to say that the Obris will outperform the 720 yet. Before any call can be made, we would need to know clock speeds & data-bus widths, between the various chips.

    I personally am looking forward to seeing both machines, I can’t help feeling that so far it looks like the Sony will be far tighter on DRM than the 720 which is a surprise, though they may both end up with something very similar.

    No BC is a mistake by Sony.

  11. twilight:

    The Xbox360 does have more exclusive titles because Xbox360 was released a year earlier then Ps3. However, most of Xbox360 titles are shovelware titles.
    As far as backwards compatibility goes, backwards compatibility is nice to have but it is not something that has to be there. Most people are not wanting a new system to play old games. The purpose of having a new system is for next generation gaming.
    E3 is coming up soon. Maybe, Microsoft will have some surprises up their sleeve but I doubt it. Microsoft has pretty much already said that they will not be focusing on new games. I expect Microsoft to talk about Kinect games and apps mostly.

  12. phranctoast:

    “Carl already dug up the numbers on exclusives, and at the time, the 360 still had more exclusive titles than the PS3, your list is not only very incomplete, but also very bias.”

    While I’m not putting credence in any list at this time, I want to point out that the list carl had where the 360 had more “exclusives” counted every game that came out the year prior the ps3 being on the market as an exclusive. 95% of those games wouldn’t have been exclusive given the PS3 being on the market, and technically most of them weren’t “exclusive” as the PS2 was still out and that’s the other system getting those games.

    It’s a way to artificially stack “exclusives” into the 360′s corner. The best indicator of counting the true exclusives should start once the PS3 comes to the market, as that’s the best way to tell the true support the system is getting which is what we’re arguing here anyway.

    In a way it’s like sales. You could count the sales before the PS3 came to the market, but you look like a royal ass comparing that to the PS3 sales then.

    It’s a nice way to pad the numbers in the 360′s favor and something only expected from the worst of fanboys.

  13. phranctoast:

    twilight beat me to the punch.

  14. Roca.:

    The 360 has never had more “exclusives” than the PS3…Remember titles such as Alan Wake, Fable 3, Gears, Mass Effect 1, both L4D, Splinter Cell are not “exclusives”.

    without counting all the shovelware motion games lets look at the exclusives for 2011 and 2012:

    ***PS3 = 33 exclusives***
    •Uncharted 3: Drakes’ Deception
    •LittleBigPlanet 2
    •ICO Collection
    •MLB 11: The Show
    •God of War: Origins
    •Killzone 3
    •Disgaea 4: A Promise Unforgotten
    •Infamous 2
    •Resistance 3
    •Yakuza 4
    •MotorStorm: Apocalypse
    •SOCOM 4
    •Rachet & Clank: All 4 One
    •Tekken Hybrid
    •Twisted Metal
    •Jak & Daxter Collection
    •MLB 12: The Show
    •Yakuza: Dead Souls
    •Tales of Graces f
    •Last of Us
    •Ratchet & Clank Collection
    •Dust 514
    •Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
    •Ratchet & Clank HD Collection

    ***X360 = 5 exclusives***
    •Gears of War 3
    •Halo Remake
    •Halo 4
    •Forza 4
    •Forza Horizon

    notice how the Xbots keep getting the same 2-3 exclusivces. in 2010 there were also more Forza, Fable and Halo lmao.

    No wonder the 360 is now used more for watching videos, movies and listening to music…

  15. Roca.:

    Phranc – “In a way it’s like sales. You could count the sales before the PS3 came to the market, but you look like a royal ass comparing that to the PS3 sales then”

    are you talking about Godless and CON ;)

  16. jojo29:

    Roca
    Philistine is Godless’ new name i believe

  17. PS3 RULEZ890:

    PS3 EXCULSIVES
    ==2006==
    • GT HD Concept
    • Resistance: FOM
    • Motorstorm
    • Blast Factor
    • Calling All Cars
    • Flow
    • Super Rub-a-dub
    • F1 Championship
    Edition
    • Genji: Days of the
    Blade
    ==2007==
    • Uncarted: Drakes Fortune
    • R&C: Tools of Destruction
    • Lair
    • Folklore
    • Super Stardust HD
    • Echochome
    • Heavenly Sword (Need Sequel Now)
    • Yakuza 3(Spin off)
    • Warhawk
    • MLB 2008
    ==2008==
    • MGS4:GOTP
    • White Knight Chronicles
    • Haze
    • Resistance 2
    • Motorstorm Pacific Rift
    • Everyday Shooter
    • Africa
    • R&CL: Quest for Booty
    • Wipeout HD
    • GT5:Proluge
    • Disgaea 3
    • LittleBigPlanet
    • Yakuza 3
    • MLB 2009
    ==2009==
    • R&C: A Crack in Time
    • MAG
    • Deamon Souls
    • Infamous
    • Killzone 2
    • Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
    • Eyepet
    • Flower
    • GOW: HD Collection(1&2)
    • MLB 2010
    ==2010==
    • 3-D Dot Game Heroes
    • Heavy Rain
    • God of War 3
    • GT5
    • Yakuza 4
    • Sports Champions
    • Tumble
    • The Shoot
    • TV Superstars
    • Modnation Racers
    • MLB 2011
    • White Knight Chronicles 2

    ==2011==
    • R&C: All for One
    • Resistance 3
    • Motorstorm
    Apocalypse
    • Killzone 3
    • SOCOM 4
    • LittleBigPlanet 2
    • MLB 2012
    • DC Universe Online
    • Medieval Moves Deadmunds Quest
    • Eyepet 2
    • Uncharted 3:Drakes Deception
    • GOW: Origins Collection (PSP Spin Off)
    • Infamous 2
    ==2012 (and Beyond)==
    • Yakuza: Dead Souls
    • Disagea 4: A Promise Unfulfilled
    • Starhawk
    • SLY 4: Thieves in
    • Time
    • LBP Karts
    • Payday: The Hei$t
    • Tekken Hybrid
    • Twisted Metal
    • Journey
    • Motorstorm RC
    • Tales of Graces F
    • God of War 4 (Rumored)
    • The Last of Us
    • Ni No Kuni
    • FF Versus XIII
    • FF XIV
    • FFXV (Rumored)
    • Killzone 4 (Rumored)
    • New R&C (Rumored)
    • Heavenly Sword 2 (Rumored)
    • Yakuza 5 (Rumored)
    • Eyepet 3 (Rumored)
    • GT 6 (Rumored)
    • White Knight Chronicles 3 (Rumored)
    • New Wipeout (Rumored)

    Please add more to my list if I have missed anything out. This list is for PS3/PSN Exclusive only.

  18. PS3 RULEZ890:

    What I want in the next gen PS4 (Orbis)
    1. Improved CELL CPU (Clock Speed 4.5GHz)
    2. Beefed up GPU (Clock Speed 2.3GHz)
    3. More RAM (6GB System Memory, 2GB Video RAM)
    4. Improved Web Browser
    5. Eye Toy 2.0 (Improved Body Motion Sensing, Voice Reg, Face Scanning/Reg and Resolution)
    6. Improve PS Move Controller
    7. Faster Disc Speeds
    8. Improved XMB Interface
    9. Dualshock 4 being a Tablet controller

  19. phranctoast:

    “The 360 has never had more “exclusives” than the PS3…Remember titles such as Alan Wake, Fable 3, Gears, Mass Effect 1, both L4D, Splinter Cell are not “exclusives”.”

    Even if you give them those as they are console exclusive, they still don’t come close.

  20. Roca.:

    “The name Orbis is Latin for “circle or ring”

    That reminds me…
    The original code name for the 360 was “Red Orbis”

    weird, right?

  21. PS3 RULEZ890:

    One thing I do know is that SONY released a lot of games for the PS3 alone excluding the PSP/PS2/PS Vita.

  22. phranctoast:

    “weird, right?”

    Applicable.

  23. Philistine:

    Demo for the new Alan wake is very good

    you have things like super startdust listed, this is a PSN only game, there are shit loads of exclusives on Live, most of which are not worth getting, but many of which a gems geometry wars evolved 2, galaxians etc lots of the oldschool type games like startdust

    much of the stuff you list is way below average, I mean F! champion ship. . utter pish. .not worth the waste of time downloading the demo, It reminded my of the Nigel Mansel game on the Amiga. .poor show.

    Why are none of you concerned by the lack of backward comparability?

    to me this is a big deal.

  24. SW:

    1. Who fucking cares? The spanked all for the longest time (I don’t know what the current sales figures are, because, well, who the fuck cares?)…

    2. “Why bother with Res above 1080p, very very very few people will have any use of this capability.”

    Because 1900×1200 and above are just more awesome.

  25. SW:

    Mother fucking lack of edit, STILL.

    ‘The wii spanked all….’

  26. Philistine:

    Dave should start a blog, regarding features we’d like to see implemented in the proposed update.

    Edit post would defo be my No 1
    Inset pic would be good, make it easy for Twilight to share her pics ;)
    More than 1 link allowed, say 3 max
    a proper quote system.
    tea maker
    cuddly toy

    :D

  27. oldschool1987:

    “Why are none of you concerned by the lack of backward comparability?”

    Did you miss my comment?

    And I remember the rumours suggest MS were planning this as well so I won’t be buying any console next generation.

  28. phranctoast:

    “Why are none of you concerned by the lack of backward comparability?”

    Highly at launch. Then a lot less so. While it’s not the end of the world to have two consoles set up a t the same time, but for appearance purposes alone, it would be nice to have all in one. I’m sure the PS3 will still be seeing releases on a fairly heavy basis for a few years after the next one comes out if the PS2 was any indicator.

    The New Nextbox might not have a choice but to be Backward compatible. Reason I say this is the rumor has it that the next version of Kinect won’t come out until 2015.
    That means that Kinect needs to work with the new system or the casuals will just stick with the 360, and the games need to be BC.

  29. phranctoast:

    If Sony and Microsoft do indeed have some type of restriction to the used/rental market, what for you would be the acceptable limit, and what would not?

    For me:

    All used games allowing unlimited SP and limited MP* (like KZ3 recently did) would be acceptable to me.

    *KZ3 MP has a level cap and if you want to extend past that you have to buy the online.

  30. jojo29:

    ” The original code name for the 360 was “Red Orbis”
    Latin for Red Rings of Death…

    ” Because 1900×1200 and above are just more awesome.”
    Most peeps herebon blorge dont have rigs that can run games at those reses, so they dont know what they are missing out on ;) my rig can and currently enjoy SW: TOR and BF3 at those resolutions
    But i do believe it to be overkill for consoles, 60fps @ 1080p is more than enough, which is what the ps4s specs are actually aiming for…

  31. Roca.:

    People act like backward comparability is the norm.

    PS2 was the first console to fully support BC…PS3 was originally fully BC…Sony removed BC in order to cut the price and based on sales, it seems not many people care and PS3 started selling better then ever.

    360′s BC is average at best and sometimes required online connectiviy and for users to downloaded more patches (for each titles)

    Wii also *was* 100% backward comparable and just like Sony they decided to remove it to cut manufacturing cost and reduce the entry price for the Wii.

    I’d rather get a PS4 for $400 or less that isn’t backward comparabile rather than buying a $600+ PS4 that can play PS3 games.

    I’d rather keep my PS3s and save myself $200…I’m not against BC, but I also don’t see it as one of most important feature for a next gen console, after all I’m not buying a whole new console to keep playing my old games…

  32. Roca.:

    “The original code name for the 360 was “Red Orbis”
    Latin for Red Rings of Death…”

    LMAO @ jojo

  33. phranctoast:

    “PS2 was the first console to fully support BC”

    Thank go you said console. I was thinking Uh oh… here comes godless and his Amiga! LOL!

  34. phranctoast:

    “360?s BC is average at best and sometimes required online connectiviy and for users to downloaded more patches (for each titles)”

    In the 360′s defense (looks towards that blue moon) It at least upscaled the XBOX games to a higher resolution. While it wasn’t as good as native, I always felt the BC solution was better on the 360 when the game was supported of course..

    If BC costs an additional $200 this next gen they can eat me. I’ll definitely go with the cheaper non BC SKU.

  35. greenLanternfan:

    @Philistine

    “Why bother with Res above 1080p, very very very few people will have any use of this capability.”

    The articles clearly said it’s capable of having a higher resolution. They never once said games are going to have a higher res beyond 1080p at 60fps. They’re just proving on what the GPU is capable of. Xbox fanboys thought blu rays and games running at 1080 res was a useless feature and a waste of tiime back in the days lol.

    In a few years from now there will be more TV’s with higher resolution anyways.

  36. Roca.:

    as for Sony and Microsoft having an anti-used system in place for their next console….not a big deal.

    I don’t understand why people are whining now. PC gaming already killed the “used” PC game business. Steam games is so popular, yet it doesn’t let you sell your digital games.

    and there’s no used games for iOS and Android…and yet they’re both very popular.

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57405801-92/how-much-do-industry-ceos-hate-used-games-a-whole-whole-lot/

  37. phranctoast:

    “Why bother with Res above 1080p, very very very few people will have any use of this capability.”

    Who knows where HDTV’s will be in the next 5 years. I can see all TV’s having a 3D option by default.

  38. dans303:

    “@Philistine”

    LOL

    Why aren’t you acknowledging this change godless?

  39. dans303:

    Gamestop may not stock PS Orbis if they don’t make it BC:

    ‘”It isn’t really in Sony’s or Microsoft’s best interests to block used games. It would benefit Activision and EA slightly, and would hurt GameStop a great deal. If Sony unilaterally did this, I could see GameStop refusing to carry their console, and sales of the PS4 would therefore suffer,” he said.’

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-28-gamestop-could-refuse-to-stock-playstation-orbis-says-pachter

  40. CaptBirdman:

    If these rumors are true, the PS4 stands for

    Piece of Shit: 4 edition.

    Cannot stand companies nickel and diming, and to block the used games market?

    Fuck you Sony.

    From,

    A Sony Fanboy.

  41. oldschool1987:

    ^ Snap

  42. twilight:

    I don’t ever get bent out of shape about rumors. Until Sony or Microsoft officially confirms information on their next generation systems, then everything is just what it is speculation.
    Speaking of nickel and diming, I just got an email from Sony stating that they over charged me for purchases I made on Psn. Apparently, they are going to be refunding some money back to my Psn account.

  43. jojo29:

    Captain…
    MS rumored to be doing the same thing

  44. ncaissie:

    Waging war on used games will only hurt themselves. Greedy bastards.

  45. CarlB:

    “Carl already dug up the numbers on exclusives”

    That was a long time ago before PS3 had a chance to get it’s library going. Now it is a different story, as far as retail exclusives go, PS3 is king.

    “Backward compatibility is a huge issue here.”

    It sucks, but I got over it with my PS3, I’m sure I will with PS4 also.

    “Why bother with Res above 1080p, very very very few people will have any use of this capability”

    Very few people had 1080p sets at the beginning of this gen yet they still released 1080p capable consoles. The market and the industry adjusts over time. It’s not all on a platter when a tech is first introduced.

    “People act like backward comparability is the norm.”

    Backward compatibility has been around in some form since the Atari 5200. It’s nothing new. While Sony was the first to have complete bc with the immediately previous generation out of the box (Atari 7800 was BC with 2600, Genesis BC with SMS via Power Base Converter, etc.), they then made a big deal promoting backwards compatibility, then backed out of it with PS3, then turned around and started selling PS2 games digitally on PS3 consoles they had taken the backwards compatibility out of. It was a disappointment.

  46. Philistine:

    LMAO at roca thinking yet again Sony invented gaming as we know it
    ““PS2 was the first console to fully support BC”
    Thank go you said console. I was thinking Uh oh… here comes godless and his Amiga! LOL!”

    And yes the Amiga CD32 “CONSOLE” was backward compatible when fitted with the SXI interface

    In fact you could even make your own disks, by mapping the floppy disks to the CD then coping the disk contents ADFs onto the CD, just about all A500 and A1200 AGA games worked when you did this

    As carl pointed out many “CONSOLES” thought the history of gaming right from the start have been BC with last gen.

    Sorry to burst your Sony bubble there Roca, but yet again, something Sony didn’t invent.

  47. Roca.:

    @Godless
    I was talking about a being “fully” backward compatible (w/previous gen) from the get go, BC working seamlessly & hassle-free — with BC built-in.

    Do me a favor and quote me saying Sony invented BC??? You’re fanboysm & biased are not letting you see/read things clearly.

    leave it to Godless to twist your statement and try to make an argument against everything Sony…Phranc as right about you…”Uh oh… here comes godless and his Amiga! LOL!” and he did 8)

    and as Carl said (as you intentionally ignoring it) “as far as retail exclusives go, PS3 is king”

  48. Philistine:

    Roca
    you posted:-
    “People act like backward comparability is the norm.
    PS2 was the first console to fully support BC”

    Now to me this reads Sony were the first to have backward compatability.

    I’m not twisting anything.

    As for the Amiga, I mentioned it in a “Yes even the Amige had it ” kind of way

    the CD32 was the worlds first 32 bit CD based console
    it could run just about all 16bit Amiga titles as well as the AGA 32bit Amiga1200 titles, all you needed was the adaptor to plug in the floppy disk drive. similar to the cartridge adaptors of the previous gen consol’s that had BC

  49. Roca.:

    @Godless
    fully supporting something and inventing something are two totally different things.

    “all you needed was the adaptor to plug in the floppy disk drive”

    Again, I was talking about the PS2 being the first console “being “fully” backward compatible (w/previous gen) from the start, BC working seamlessly & hassle-free — with BC built-in.

    Just because the original 360 had a wifi add-on doesn’t mean the 360 supported wifi like the Wii and the PS3, in which wifi was part of the EVERY console and was a free feature that is built-in & works seamlessly.

    Funny how you avoid some arguments. You keep replying to every single comment from “PS3 RULEZ890″ but you ignore these comments that were directed at you:

    SW – “Because 1900×1200 and above are just more awesome”

    greenLanternfan – “Xbox fanboys thought blu rays and games running at 1080 res was a useless feature and a waste of tiime back in the days lol”

    Carl – “Very few people had 1080p sets at the beginning of this gen yet they still released 1080p capable consoles. The market and the industry adjusts over time. It’s not all on a platter when a tech is first introduced”

    Carl – “as far as retail exclusives go, PS3 is king”

  50. ncaissie:

    Carl was singing a different tune at the beginning of this gen. Lol

  51. CarlB:

    It was a different picture near the beginning of this gen. PS3 has come a long way since. FYI I also liked PS1 and PS2 long before this gen. After witnessing 7 video game generations, it’s no big deal to switch between consoles now, or see one become better than the other over time. Lol.

    “As carl pointed out many ‘CONSOLES’ thought the history of gaming right from the start have been BC with last gen.”

    As I said earlier, Sony was the first to have complete BC with the immediately previous gen out of the box. Roca is right here when he says “first console to fully support BC”, he just failed to mention “out of the box” (this is probably what he meant by “fully” though), as previous consoles needed attachments to be compatible with the last gen.

  52. CaptBirdman:

    @ jojo

    Which makes it even worse. Sony has a GOLDEN opportunity to take back the market share they lost to MS. For them not to oppose this is showing that they are money grubbing fucks just like MS.

    Yeah u get that they are a business but don’t pretend to be for the gamers. I like to eat dinner before I get fucked

  53. CarlB:

    The thing is Sony is still the lesser evil.

  54. CaptBirdman:

    Evil is still evil. At this rate I may not buy ms or Sony’s console and get Nintendo’s system instead.

    It’ll be cheaper.

    Hell I might start having to whoop Jojo’s arse and play on PC…

    Valve ftw

  55. jojo29:

    PC gaming against me in games such as SC2, BF3, CS:S,WoW( yup still playing lol) SW:ToR….

    Youll have a much more fun time banging your head against the wall…

    And no, there are lesser evils,
    Its evil to spit on someones face….its really evil to light someones face of fire after pouring gasoline on him…

  56. jojo29:

    Captain
    It is stupid of Sony not to capitalize on a opportunity like that

  57. CaptBirdman:

    Jojo, in anything I attempt, I become PRO.

    If I wanted to beat you, there would be almost nothing you could do about it.

    ;)

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