Rumor: Wii U less powerful than PS3/Xbox 360 – will it matter?

April 3, 2012

Rumor: Wii U less powerful than PS3/Xbox 360 – will it matter?According to the latest reports, Nintendo’s Wii U may not currently be the powerhouse console first made out to be. Initial reports put the Wii U as being twice as powerful as the Xbox 360. Apparently, this may no longer be the case due to some sacrifices made to the console.

As reported by GI.biz, various developers that wished to remain anonymous, have come forward to reveal that the current version of the Wii U in their hands are not up to the same level as the PS3 or the 360 in terms of graphics.

One developer stated, "No, it’s not up to the same level as the PS3 or the 360. The graphics are just not as powerful."

Another developer agreed, "Yeah, that’s true. It doesn’t produce graphics as well as the PS3 or the 360. There aren’t as many shaders, it’s not as capable. Sure, some things are better, mostly as a result of it being a more modern design. But overall the Wii U just can’t quite keep up."

With the expensive tablet-like controller for the Wii U the costs for manufacturing the console has gone up. Nintendo may have had to scale back on the CPU, GPU and RAM of the Wii U to include the tablet controller for a reasonable retail price.

Some developers believe that the PS3/PS Vita combo is more powerful that the Wii U with the tablet controller and easier to program for as well.

You can do everything with that combo that you can with the Wii U, and more.

This may very well be the case but the PS Vita plus the PS3 will set you back around $500, while the Wii UI may cost half of that. Graphical power may not be such as big deal for Nintendo, as the company has always focused more on innovation even during the SNES vs Sega genesis days.

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91 Responses to “Rumor: Wii U less powerful than PS3/Xbox 360 – will it matter?”

  1. FahKinSuPah:

    Still more rumors….

    Well honestly Nintendo is known for making some mistakes with each console generation but if Wii-U was less powerful than the current gen it would probably be Nintendos biggest mistake ever.

    Still… I think this one is just a rumor and nothing more.

  2. phranctoast:

    “Graphical power may not be such as big deal for Nintendo, as the company has always focused more on innovation even during the SNES vs Sega genesis days.”

    To be fair, the SNES was more powerful than the Genesis. Remember “scaling and rotation”?

  3. Roca.:

    Nintendo must not ignore the hardcore audience (and the online gamers) if they want us to invest in a Wii-U…

  4. ncaissie:

    The ps2 and Xbox 1 games look better than the wii so who knows. I know I won’t get sucked in to the BS wii again. I’ll wait for all three consoles to deside. Who knows I may not buy any!

  5. phranctoast:

    The Wii could have looked better but developers never bothered to take advantage of what was under the hood.

    Monster Hunter is the only graphically impressive game I could think of for the system. Kirbys Epic Yarn wasn’t bad too.

  6. FahKinSuPah:

    The Wii isn’t a bad console, its just the decisions made by companis regarding the system that fucked it up.

    That includes Nintendo ignoring the hardcore audience.

    Getting games like Xenoblade Chronicles and The Last Story is pretty muhc too little, too late. We should have gotten those games years ago.

  7. Roca.:

    Wii graphics sucks. ncaissie is right Xbox & PS2 games look better than Wii games…FF10, FF12, GOW1&2, SotC, Halo 1&2.

    btw guys, I’m going to PAX East this Sunday 8)

  8. dans303:

    PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale:

    http://playstationlifestyle.net/2012/04/03/sony-super-smash-bros-game-to-be-title-fight-playstation-all-stars-battle-royale/

  9. phranctoast:

    Don’t you mean Play Station Hunger Games? ;)

  10. Roca.:

    That name is horrible.

    Anything with the “Playstation” name on it I think it’s a bad idea…When Sony changed “Heroes on the Move” to “Playstation Heroes” I thought it was a bad decision as well.

  11. emjay2d:

    Sounds good, but Im still far from excited about the wii.

    http://goo.gl/Q7slM

  12. Roca.:

    emjay2d..is this Godless

    how many accounts does he have?

  13. dans303:

    “Don’t you mean Play Station Hunger Games?”

    I laughed so hard at this! :D I’ve only seen the trailers but it just looks like a PG version of Battle Royale (which btw is an awesome film, so hilarious).

    “That name is horrible.”

    I don’t like it much either but I can see why they would call it that. It catches the eye. I mean, if I was looking through a list of games ‘Title Fight’ (the other proposed title) would not be worth second thought to me. Whereas PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale really jumps out.

  14. phranctoast:

    “I laughed so hard at this! :D I’ve only seen the trailers but it just looks like a PG version of Battle Royale (which btw is an awesome film, so hilarious). ”

    Not to take anything away from the Hunger games as I haven’t read or seen the movie, but when I first heard of the concept I couldn’t help but think of Battle Royale. ghthouse was almost shot for shot.
    anyway.
    It annoys Hunger game fanboys/girls to mention Battle Royale so I do it as much as possible. :D

    Silly Twilight generation.

  15. dans303:

    “Not to take anything away from the Hunger games as I haven’t read or seen the movie, but when I first heard of the concept I couldn’t help but think of Battle Royale. ghthouse was almost shot for shot.”

    Finally, someone agrees! I’ve asked every one of my friends that love the Hunger Game book/movie if they have seen BR. Alost all hadn’t even heard of it.

    To me it’s just a western Disney version of BR. The fact that it was Asian (Japanese?) produced was one of the main things that made it good. The bit where they’re watching the video on the rules of the game makes me crack up everytime. :D

    But hey, it’s got a half-decent Metacritic rating so you never know!

  16. dans303:

    “Silly Twilight generation.”

    I’ll admit, I’ve seen the first two Twilights. :/ Even worse, I may have even enjoyed the first one a tiny tiny bit. lol

    It’s because, at the start, Bella is a strong and independent woman. Makes her own decisions, etc. Then Edward comes along and transforms her into a little girl that depends on him for everything.

    I don’t know the rest of the story, but from what I can gather, she continues along this path for the rest of the series. How teenage girls find this empowering is beyond me…

    As a good contrast, look at the difference in character growth between Bella and Hermione (Harry Potter). One is loved by girls and one is loved by guys. And women call us shallow ;)

  17. ncaissie:

    Lol @dans
    Poor guy. Did the chick piss you off because she is week?

  18. ncaissie:

    @dans, you go girl! Girl power!

  19. Roca.:

    “To me it’s just a western Disney version of BR”

    Disney didn’t have anything to do with it…

    I went to see Hunger Games and it’s a very good movie…

  20. dans303:

    “you go girl! Girl power!”

    :D

    “Disney didn’t have anything to do with it…”

    I didn’t say they did. The Hunger Games encompasses everthing that Disney stands for.

    “I went to see Hunger Games and it’s a very good movie…”

    I’m not saying it’s a bad movie. Just that it’s a rip-off of BR.

  21. phranctoast:

    “The fact that it was Asian (Japanese?) produced was one of the main things that made it good.”

    Something about young asian girls are just creepy. The face on that blood soaked girl in the beginning gave me goosebumps.

    “I’ll admit, I’ve seen the first two Twilights. :/ Even worse, I may have even enjoyed the first one a tiny tiny bit. lol”

    I watched the first two to see what was the big deal. It turned out to not be a big deal at all.

    On a related note. Being Human is actually pretty damned good.

    “Poor guy. Did the chick piss you off because she is week?”

    Chicks piss me off at least once a month. ;)

    “Disney didn’t have anything to do with it…”

    I’m pretty sure he knows that and he’s just saying it’s the tween version of Battle Royale.

  22. dans303:

    everthing that Disney stands for *though*

  23. dans303:

    @phranc

    The best bit about Twilight is Kristen Stewart. She may be weak but she’s hot!

    “Chicks piss me off at least once a month.”

    For a couple days, right? Wait, is this a coincidence?? ;)

  24. phranctoast:

    “For a couple days, right? Wait, is this a coincidence?? ”

    My response: It’s not like you’re bleeding out your mouth too ;)

  25. Roca.:

    “Just that it’s a rip-off of BR”

    is it? They have similarities but it’s not a rip-off of BR.

    Everything’s been done so new movies are going to have similarities with other older movies. You were saying the samething few weeks ago when I pointed out the similarities between Jak 3 cover art and the Gears 3 one 8)

    There’s very little action in HG. In fact, the actual “game” is the least entertaining part of the movie. The movie is more about drama and fiction.

    If you’re expecting to see the chick go on a killing spree you’re going to be disappointed.

  26. dans303:

    LMAO phranc

    “You were saying the samething few weeks ago when I pointed out the similarities between Jak 3 cover art and the Gears 3 one”

    Touché. Though I would say that HG and BR have a lot less broad subject matters.

    “There’s very little action in HG. In fact, the actual “game” is the least entertaining part of the movie. The movie is more about drama and fiction.”

    In all honesty, that’s exactly what I was expecting.

  27. phranctoast:

    Sounds like a rental.
    And in other news. Don’t bother with Wrath of the Titans. The first one was better, which was significantly worse than the original. I had a small glimmer of hope that without having anything to base it off of that it may have been good. The best part was the previews.

    It’s almost as if they wanted to make it more like God of War than Clash of the Titans.

    Yes. It also annoys me when someone tells someone to “go to hell” in a greek mythology movie. I guess it flows off the tongue better than go to tartarus…but still.. WTF.

  28. Roca.:

    “Yes. It also annoys me when someone tells someone to “go to hell” in a greek mythology movie. I guess it flows off the tongue better than go to tartarus…but still.. WTF”

    LMAO

  29. CarlB:

    “It also annoys me when someone tells someone to ‘go to hell’ in a greek mythology movie.”

    It might as well annoy you that they speak in English with modern grammar. Watching such movies with actors speaking like the characters in Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey may not have quite the same impact for today’s audience. When they say “hell” it is simply a modernization, as the New Testament specifically notes Tartarus as the source of the term when it is mentioned.

  30. FahKinSuPah:

    @Roca

    “Chicks piss me off at least once a month.”

    Don’t trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesn’t die ;)

  31. phranctoast:

    “It might as well annoy you that they speak in English with modern grammar.”

    No that doesn’t annoy me in the least. The use of Hell in this movie is a straight up movie mistake.

  32. phranctoast:

    They could have used Tartarus and been factually correct since they were going there..lol.

    I would have even accepted Hades even though it would have been incorrect yet relevant to the time.

  33. dans303:

    I don’t know whether to laugh or cry

    http://uk.gamespot.com/kinect-star-wars/videos/just-the-way-you-are-kinect-star-wars-gameplay-6369860/?contsessid=51647ed23803a8cca195456fd9b72fd0&prevBounce=6369707

  34. ncaissie:

    ““Poor guy. Did the chick piss you off because she is week?”
    Chicks piss me off at least once a month.”
    Yeah, yeah I see the typo. Dam iOS

  35. CarlB:

    “factually correct”

    lol

  36. CarlB:

    Most of today’s movie going audience would probably think of tartar sauce before they thought of the underworld. Hell is derived from Tartarus. It’s the equivalent of the Romans saying Dis Pater instead of Pluto.

  37. ncaissie:

    “I don’t know whether to laugh or cry”
    That’s just wrong on so many levels. :(

  38. ncaissie:

    I liked the first movie. And GOW is fucking awesome and there should be a movie made from each game including chains and ghost.

  39. phranctoast:

    “lol”
    ?

    It’s like someone saying godamnit in the movie when by the gods or some other similar relevant swear would suffice.

  40. ncaissie:

    I don’t really care about stuff like that. Its all mythical anyway.
    As long as the FX are cool and lots of action then I’m happy.
    Every time I see the trailor I want to play GOW 3.

  41. Roca.:

    Story and dialog is also important for this kind of movies…That’s one of the reason GOW is so good.

  42. phranctoast:

    “I don’t really care about stuff like that. Its all mythical anyway.”

    I think it was just another example where the writers didn’t much pay attention to their own script.

    There’s another scene where a demi-god is trapped and Perseus says not to cut the counter weight as the fall will kill him. The fall was maybe 20 ft. But seriously. We later see Perseus getting his head smashed through pillar after pillar from Ares so we know Demigods are a bit tougher and can take a beating…Unless it’s a small drop of 20ft. That’s where the line is crossed..lol

  43. ncaissie:

    Lol

  44. Roca.:

    I wish there were better greek mythology movies.

  45. dans303:

    The fans have won. Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut has been announced. It’s being released for free in the summer.

    http://sticktwiddlers.com/2012/04/05/mass-effect-3-extended-cut-announced/

  46. phranctoast:

    “I wish there were better greek mythology movies.”

    I have yet to see the Immortals.

  47. phranctoast:

    “The fans have won. Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut has been announced. It’s being released for free in the summer.”

    Oh. How I would laugh….if the new ending is a Kinect dance minigame.

    Take that whiny bitches. ;)

  48. FahKinSuPah:

    @Dans

    Not surprising lol. I am guessing that Bioware had plans for this DLC that expands on the ending all along but they were planning on charging for it but now that there has been nothing but controversy over the game and endings they decided to save face and not charge money for it.

  49. Roca.:

    Seems like Godless took the “Easter” week off..hmmm

    @Phranc
    “I have yet to see the Immortals”

    imo, Immortals is much better than Clash of the Titans..

  50. phranctoast:

    “I am guessing that Bioware had plans for this DLC that expands on the ending all along but they were planning on charging for it but now that there has been nothing but controversy over the game and endings they decided to save face and not charge money for it.”

    And they’re purposely delaying it to the summer? I could see the meeting now.
    “Lets release this day one DLC with a different ending and charge for it”
    Controversy occurs.
    “Fine..Now these whiners will have to wait on it..muuhahahah”
    *receives worst company in america award

    “Seems like Godless took the “Easter” week off..hmmm”
    He was attacked by the Jewbachabra.

    “imo, Immortals is much better than Clash of the Titans..”

    Check out the original one form the 80′s. Cheesy effect (good for its time) but it’s so much better plot wise than the 2010 one.

  51. Roca.:

    “Jewbachabra”

    I have to watch that Episode lol

  52. phranctoast:

    Back to Original Topic:
    This brings some credence to the above mentioned rumor.

    http://wii.ign.com/articles/122/1222399p1.html

    “Following a report from Gamesindustry International that quoted unnamed developers saying that the Wii U isn’t on a par with the 360 and PS3, Nintendo has told Yahoo’s Digital Trends that the “experience of play” is what’s important.

    “We do not focus on technology specs,” said the Nintendo of American representative. “We understand that people like to dissect graphics and processing power, but the experience of playing will always be more important than raw numbers.”

    This doesn’t confirm that the Wii U is less powerful than some current-gen consoles, but it doesn’t flat-out deny it either.

    The as-yet-unconfirmed original report on Monday quoted an anonymous developer who’s been working with Wii U. “It’s not up to the same level as the PS3 or the 360… The graphics are just not as powerful,” he alleged. Another developer at a “major company” is also quoted, saying “It doesn’t produce graphics as well as the PS3 or the 360… it’s not as capable. Sure, some things are better, mostly as a result of it being a more modern design. But overall the Wii U just can’t quite keep up.”

    Other developers have gone on record to say how pleased they are to be working with the Wii U, Randy Pritchford among them – though that praise has focussed on the machine’s unique capabilities rather than its graphical grunt.

    Given the revolutionary potential of the Wii U’s tablet controller, do graphics even matter for this particular console?”

  53. Roca.:

    In the long run, the will be no reason to get a multiplatform game on the Wii-U when you can just get the same game on the PS4 with cutting edge graphics.

  54. FahKinSuPah:

    @phranc

    On some level graphics will always matter. How many people would want to buy the Wii U if the graphics were on par with the 16 bit SNES/Sega Genesis era?

    Currently the Wii is capable of graphics that is better than last gen but not as good as the other consoles of this gen.

    IMHO for the Wii U to be worth anyones time the graphics power of the console has to improve.

  55. CarlB:

    “There’s another scene where a demi-god is trapped and Perseus says not to cut the counter weight…”

    Yeah… some vocab modern rough equivalents I can deal with, but crap like that is more annoying for me. Two of the most annoying movies I can recall of that type are Battlefield Earth (alien made shatter glass “protective” domes, ignorant natives who learn how to fly harriers in a week, etc. – the movie is bad enough without these blunders)and Rules of Engagement (Marine security guards leaving the ambassador in the embassy, theater rope barriers, etc.).

    As for WiiU, it will still sell millions regardless of whether it is as powerful as PS3/360. All it needs to be more powerful than is Wii. They dominated this gen in sales without superior multiplat graphics and hardware, they can do well enough to at least survive next gen with just Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, the capability to play most of today’s multiplats, and a slightly more powerful machine with marketing and their little twist with the tablet controller.

    http://www.gamezone.com/products/darksiders-ii/news/wii-u-hardware-on-par-with-current-gen-consoles

  56. phranctoast:

    LOL. Yeah BE was pretty terrible.

    I can’t get to link. When was that published? I remember conflicting reports.

    first I heard it was more powerful, then less, now on par.

  57. CarlB:

    March 26. The way I read it is it will be roughly equivalent in power, with some slight advantages to PS3 and 360 in certain departments.

  58. Roca.:

    Darksiders is not a graphically impressive game…

  59. phranctoast:

    Speaking of. I still need to play that.

  60. phranctoast:

    Have a good weekend everyone! Have a good Passover/Easter.

  61. CarlB:

    Which multiplats would you say are graphically impressive roca? I think the point here is the WiiU will still be able to play them, in addition to it’s own exclusives.

    As for Darksiders II, I had fun enough with the first, so if II can match or beat it I’ll be happy. If I really wanted impressive graphics I would have a $2000+ gaming pc. DII looks good enough to have a fun time:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_t7uV92HdY

  62. ncaissie:

    If you want to talk stupid movies you should see the crap they called Avatar. Now that was a piece of shit. I mean come on, the scene where the bitch cries and slaps the guy was such bad acting. That movie is more girly than twilight. Twilight (all three) were ten times better Avashit.

  63. ncaissie:

    “Which multiplats would you say are graphically impressive roca?”
    None thanks to the 3shitty.

  64. Kushy:

    “Twilight (all three) were ten times better Avashit.”

    Oh please! Not saying Avatar is the best movie ever but those Twilight movies are total crap! Come on Avatar has made more money then all the Twilights will combined. There is a reason for that, it’s a much better movie then that emo crap twilight! Stop being such a negative fuck all the time!

  65. Kushy:

    You want to see bad acting ncaisse, type in “Kristen Stewart acting” in YouTube, it’s pathetic! Her lines are so forced and not natural at all! You bash the Wii U before it’s even out, saying you won’t buy the crap! Guess what, your kids want it, you will get it! :P

  66. Philistine:

    LMAO @ Twilight better than Avatar.

    Like almost every film ever made Avatar had it’s few wee cringe moments, where the acting, or dialogue fell a little short; or even the plausibility of certain events was stretched just a little too far. But having watched the making of documentary. I have nothing but admiration and respect for this movie.

    AS for the Wii U. LMAO, it can’t even match the graphical performance of a now 7 year old 360. .

    Nintendo are screwed.

    What you need to remember is that most of this gen that bought into the Wii, are probably now gaming on either a PS3 or a 360, those kids will not have any intention of buying a Wii U, and parents are now much more console savvy than they were 6/7 years ago
    the only thing that might save the Wii U is the one year lead on the true next gen, but I for one certainly wouldn’t be buying Nintendo shares that’s for sure.

  67. dans303:

    “But having watched the making of (the) documentary.”

    Wait! Avatar is real?? ;)

    “If you want to talk stupid movies you should see the crap they called Avatar.”

    Pleeeeease, ncaissie. Everything game that you class as slightly less than ‘good’ is a “piece of shit, fuckshitty, crap fucktard of a game”.

    You know what’s fun though: Googling ‘ncaissie piece of shit’. :D

  68. Kushy:

    “AS for the Wii U. LMAO, it can’t even match the graphical performance of a now 7 year old 360. .

    Nintendo are screwed.”

    @Philistine AKA Godless

    You know this because you have played Wii U Games to compare to Xbox 360 games? No, then until such time such claims are BS! At this point it’s not even an opinion, it’s a RUMOR so stop stating it as if it’s fact!

  69. FahKinSuPah:

    “Twilight (all three) were ten times better Avashit.”

    Sounds like someone was trolling in full force last night.

  70. Philistine:

    @Kushy
    “You know this because you have played Wii U Games to compare to Xbox 360 games? ”

    No!. I think this because people are not totally F#c$ing stupid

    Would you buy a gaming console with 7 year old specs,but with a fancy controller. that didn’t quite match the capabilities of others already available, or would you buy the best device available, probably at a cheaper price (320GB PS3 £229), or even better would you hang on a year or so and buy something that will trash it completely.

    My money is on Nintendo taking a nose dive on this one

  71. ncaissie:

    “There is a reason for that”
    Yeah there are a lot of stupid people in this world.

  72. CarlB:

    “My money is on Nintendo taking a nose dive on this one”

    Like they did with the 3DS? Seems to be working out fairly well for them, and if the specs are that low, they will be able to reduce the price just as quick in order to increase sales.

  73. ncaissie:

    “Sounds like someone was trolling in full force last night.”
    I’m not trolling. It’s true. Just because the pos makes money it doesn’t mean it’s good. Halo 3 proved that fact.

  74. Kushy:

    “@Kushy
    “You know this because you have played Wii U Games to compare to Xbox 360 games? ”

    No!. I think this because people are not totally F#c$ing stupid

    Would you buy a gaming console with 7 year old specs,but with a fancy controller. that didn’t quite match the capabilities of others already available, or would you buy the best device available, probably at a cheaper price (320GB PS3 £229), or even better would you hang on a year or so and buy something that will trash it completely.

    My money is on Nintendo taking a nose dive on this one

    @Godless

    Oh please provide the link of the official specs released by Nintendo that shows it’s tech is 7 years old. No instead your proof is based on a rumor and saying “No!. I think this because people are not totally F#c$ing stupid”

    So you got nothing other then a RUMOR, and stating things as if they are fact! You may end up being right about it’s specs, but don’t state it as it’s fact when you have none!

  75. Kushy:

    ““There is a reason for that”
    Yeah there are a lot of stupid people in this world.”

    @ncaisse

    So you are saying people who supported Avatar by paying to see the movie are stupid? Hmmm I went to see the movie and thought it was decent, not amazing. Compared to Twilight it is amazing! Perhaps you were just exaggerating to get your point across about how Avatar is over rated? Honestly Twilight was a bad choice to comapare to to Avatar, you can’t honestly think any one of those movies was better then Avatar!

    I have an IQ of 130-140, what is your’s? If it’s below 140 and I’m stupid, what does that make you?

  76. ncaissie:

    “So you are saying people who supported Avatar by paying to see the movie are stupid?”
    No, I paid to see the pos. I’m saying people who see the movie then buy the DVD or BR are stupid. You can’t fault people who pay to see a movie based on fault.

  77. ncaissie:

    Just like in video games some games make a killing on hype and some don’t sell well because they are unknown and $70 is a lot of money to take a chance on. More than a $15 movie that is for sure. Look at COD BO, it sold well and was crap compared to RDR which was epic.

  78. Philistine:

    Kushy
    “So you got nothing other then a RUMOR, and stating things as if they are fact! You may end up being right about it’s specs, but don’t state it as it’s fact when you have none!”

    maybe I need to add more, just to make it clearer for you? How about if I add; -

    If Nintendo release a new machine
    If the rumours in this article regarding the graphical capabilities are true.

    Then at the bottom of every post I have something like
    “Everything expressed within this post is my personal opinion, nothing more”

    Kushy, you’re not very bright for someone with an IQ of 140, (sniggers), or is it because you so incredibly intelligent that common sense and the reasoning most of us are equipped with are below you.

    When have I have ever claimed anything I have typed to be a fact? Most of the time I use words like “Probably”, or “I think” It’s not often you see these words used when stating facts.
    (that statement is also an opinion) before you provide a link to Einstein’s famous equation: e probably = MC2

    you also might want to check your spelling and grammar. It’s not the best for someone with an IQ of 140 :D

  79. Philistine:

    And before you turn the spelling /grammar round on me. I’m not the one claiming to have an IQ of 140, and I “probably” have as little time as you (maybe less)to proof read anything I post.

  80. Roca.:

    Avatar’s picture quality (2D & 3D), CG effects and fantasy elements were the best in the business. Other than that I’d agree with ncaissie.

  81. phranctoast:

    You aree that whoever buys Avatar is “stupid”? To each their own.

  82. ncaissie:

    “Avatar’s picture quality (2D & 3D), CG effects and fantasy elements were the best in the business. ”
    I dissagree. The 3D isn’t good at all. It doesn’t pop out of the screen at any point at all. It has depth but even that was basic.

    “You aree that whoever buys Avatar is “stupid”? To each their own.”
    Again, read what I said. I said anyone why paid to see it at the movie theater then purchased it (stupid to harsh) has shitty taste in movies.

  83. Roca.:

    I agree with him that Avatar was kind of a disappointment…maybe due to the insane hype behind it.

    Overall, I think it was an entertaining movie with great cool CGI effects & awesome picture qualtity…def worth the price of admission.

    “To each their own”
    tell that to HH ;) who went to see the movie twice (in 2D & 3D) after talking shit about it for months.

  84. Kushy:

    “Kushy, you’re not very bright for someone with an IQ of 140, (sniggers), or is it because you so incredibly intelligent that common sense and the reasoning most of us are equipped with are below you.”

    @Godless

    Oh spare me your bullshit! Don’t try to back peddle, you were spouting off that crap about the Wii as if it were fact! You actually do that quite a bit on here, then you have nothing to back it up and try to back peddle! Funny that everyone here sees that but you! :P

  85. Philistine:

    Kushy
    Almost every post on this forum is an opinion?

    The difference is that when you choose to disagree with something, you start out by claiming it was posted as a fact to try and discredit posters the opinion in some way. Something Roca used to do all the time, but hasn’t done for some time now.

    Like I said. I’ll try and make it simpler for you in future.

    P.S.
    Did you get you IQ evaluation from one of those DS brain trainer games?

  86. Roca.:

    “Something Roca used to do all the time, but hasn’t done for some time now”

    Actually, what I do is… I counter your biased “opinions” with “facts”

    I rarely use my personal opinion when debating. For the most part, I try to back up my side of the argument with facts.

  87. Philistine:

    Actually, what you do is take other peoples opinions and claim them to be facts :D

  88. Roca.:

    yeah “opinions” like awards, number of exclusives, metacritic scores, show which console is cheaper based on its MSRP (unlike you), official sales data from M$ and Sony, etc

    the one one taking other people’s opinion or bogus data and claiming them to be fact is you.

  89. Kushy:

    “P.S.
    Did you get you IQ evaluation from one of those DS brain trainer games?”

    How did you know? You must have read it somewhere! Now go and claim it as fact! lol ;)

  90. Kushy:

    “AS for the Wii U. LMAO, it can’t even match the graphical performance of a now 7 year old 360″

    @Godless

    So this was just an opinion? Ok buddy, you seemed really sure of it! Why would you even have an opinion of this when there are no actual facts to back it up? Just boils down to you being a biased 360 fanboy with no facts to back up his “opinion”. You are just assuming the Wii U will be less powerful then a 360 based of this lame rumor that is most likely nothing but bullshit flambait! :P

  91. Philistine:

    Yeah!…Yeah Kushy140

    like I said, I’ll add in the bits like “if the rumours are true”, “if this , if that before I comment against them from now on. .just for you.

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