The PS3 outsells the Xbox 360 by a hair in 2011

May 10, 2012

The PS3 outsells the Xbox 360 by a hair in 2011The video gaming industry started its decline in 2011 and has steadily continued its slump into 2012 with sales dropping as low as 20 percent year-over-year. Sony recently put out its financial earnings showing that despite the slump not all was bad last year.

2011 is definitely a year to remember for Sony with after effects of the devastating tsunami which wreaked havoc to its factories and plants. The Yen also rose to an all-time high, devaluing all of Sony’s revenue earned over seas.

Despite all of Sony’s woes in 2011, the PlayStation division actually performed quite strongly with the company reporting in its annual fiscal report [via Examiner] that the PS3 was the best-selling home console with 13.9 million units sold. Microsoft’s previous financial report showed that the company sold 13.6 million units during the same timeframe in 2011. Nintendo’s Wii global sales last year dropped to a new low with 9.84 million units sold.

This brings Sony’s PS3 to a new total of about 63.9 million units, and Microsoft’s Xbox 360 to 67.2, and Nintendo’s to 95.85 million worldwide. While the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 by a hair, this is a decline when compared to the previous two years where the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 by over 2.3 million each year in 2010 and 2009. Both consoles tied in 2008, and the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 in 2007 by 1.4 million units.

By the end of 2006, the Xbox 360 had already sold 10.4 million units with an early one year lead. The most interesting tidbit from Sony’s financial report is that the PS2 continues to sell strong with 4.1 million units globally in 2011, adding to its massive life time total of 155.1 million units.

Despite selling well globally, the PS3 continued to be outsold by the Xbox 360 in the US all throughout 2011, which has been attributed to strong Kinect demand at retail. This is in contrast to the PS3 outselling the Xbox 360 for most of 2010 in the US with the successful launch of the PS3 Slim. I believe all eyes will be on Sony at E3 this year to see if the company can turn the tide in its weakest territory, the US.

109 Responses to “The PS3 outsells the Xbox 360 by a hair in 2011”

  1. greenLanternfan:

    Are you serious!? I thought the 360 sold more than the ps3 in 2011. I don’t get it though, so the ps3 didn’t release any numbers by the end of the year, just kept their sales hidden? The xbots will drool when they see this.

    Well, it’s pretty much obvious that we already have a winner of this generation.

  2. oldschool1987:

    Didn’t realise the PS3 was outselling the 360 every single year, why didn’t I know this??? Why the hell are Xbots always going on about sales when the PS3 is selling more yearly? Obviously the 10 million in the first year was unchallenged.

  3. Roca.:

    The Wii has sold 98.85 million units so far.

    by the end of this year the Wii might the only non-Sony console to supass the 100 million benchmark.

  4. twilight:

    Well, it’s finally happening for Xbox360 users after seven years. It is being reported that Xbox360 users are finally getting an internet browser coming to the Xbox360.

  5. CarlB:

    http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/10/3012013/internet-explorer-browser-xbox-360-kinect

  6. oldschool1987:

    I wouldn’t if there is a charge to use the browser lol.

  7. twilight:

    Yeah, the browser will probably only be accessible to Gold members.

  8. Roca.:

    and the browswer will have many restriction of its own…

    “The Xbox 360 currently includes Bing voice search, but it’s limited to media results…. We are told that the browser will let Xbox users surf all parts of the web straight from their living rooms”

    …and this will be MS’ biggest announcement at E3.

    PS3 owners are probably laughing while reading this from the PS3 browser 8)

    Sent from my PS3 browser ;)

  9. CarlB:

    “‘Sony has a more artistic and adult-focused taste. They care about how grown-ups feel toward their games,’ Chen told GamesBeat. ‘The player who owns a PlayStation 3 is more likely to be interested in artistic games compared to Wii and Xbox 360.’…’Our primary PSN audience is indeed more adult, and many of our best-selling titles appeal to this demographic. Many PlayStation and PSN games have themes that require a user to think and feel about a deep, immersive gameplay experience, and we see that exemplified in the success of titles like Flower, Journey and Heavy Rain. Titles like these can only be found on PlayStation, and our users enjoy the emotional and thematic sophistication of their games, especially with our digital offerings,’”

    http://ps3.ign.com/articles/122/1224445p1.html

  10. CarlB:

    (NPD)”When looking at both hardware and software sales year-over-year, however, there’s a significant change from 2011. Total sales of games is down 32%, from $930.9 million to $630.4 million. Hardware is also down 32% year over year, and software is down 42% year over year. Strangely, video game accessories actually ticked up 1% from this time last year.”

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/11/npd-software-and-hardware-sales-way-down

  11. Barnabe Jones:

    IE9 for 360: The world’s worse browser, now with more arm flailing.

  12. CarlB:

    Voice search will be a welcome addition over PS3′s browser.

  13. Roca.:

    “Voice search will be a welcome addition over PS3?s browser”

    Carl also said “paying for free apps is a welcome addition for the Xbox”

  14. CarlB:

    roca also lying again.

  15. greenLanternfan:

    Do you really have to be a gold member just to browse over the internet? Really!? No thanks, I think I’ll stick with ps3′s browser over xbox voice search.

  16. phranctoast:

    Looking forward to seeing how carlb will justify hiding an internet browser behind the gold pay wall.

  17. gunstar:

    I have been browsing the web and commenting here on GB on my PS3 since I bought it on 2009.

    Also I have been watching & commenting YouTube in Full HD on my PS3 since 2010.

    All for free!

  18. CarlB:

    MS intends to earn money and they are a business?
    Oooh… what an enigma, for the dim-witted.

  19. oldschool1987:

    Carl you’re the oldest one on here so why do you keep trolling? I know you don’t agree with MS’ money stealing ways so why do you keep pretending you do?

    Sony are also a company out to make money and yet they go out their way to make as many things as possible free for its users. Even though people are lying about paying for PSN.

  20. CarlB:

    “I know you don’t agree”

    No, I do not agree to XBLG’s fees and services.
    But just because I don’t agree to it doesn’t mean it is “stealing” or “Wrong”. Plenty of other people are willing to pay for it.

    “yet they go out their way to make as many things as possible free for its users.”

    And why do you think Sony does that… hmmm? Out of the goodness of their heart? Hardly. They were once dominant and now they are not, so they need to entice customers by offering many things for free that their competition is able to charge for.

    “Even though people are lying about paying for PSN.”

    I pay for PSN Plus, and I’m not lying about it. PSN Pass is something renters and people who buy used games (which have already had the Pass used on another machine) have to pay for if they wish to play online in titles like Resistance 3, Uncharted 3, etc. This is not lying it is a fact.

  21. bonsai:

    The NPD is not the most credible nor trusted research firm in America so you gotta take their figures with a grain of salt.

    The top 20 firms in the United States in 2010 were:
    Nielsen
    Kantar Group
    IMS Health
    SymphonyIRI Group
    Westat
    Arbitron
    Ipsos
    GfK USA
    Synovate
    NPD Group
    ICF International
    J. D. Power and Associates
    ComScore
    Maritz, LLC
    Dunnhumby
    Harris Interactive
    Abt SRBI
    Lieberman Research Worldwide (LRW)
    Market Strategies International
    ORC International

    For M$ marketing speaks for their products.
    For Sony products speak for their marketing.

    I am not attacking Sony but no matter what happens no Japanese company will ever beat M$ on PR wars on its home turf.

    M$ is a company pretty much run by the US Federal Agency which control the US economy, banks & media. They are very influential & powerful. They can make any company bend & bow at their feet. SquareEnix, Capcom, yes even Sony & Nintendo.

    Have you ever asked why the PS3 is always pegged at 2 million units shy of 360 figures for the longest time?

    In 2009 when Aaron Greenburg made THE statement “What I can tell you is we remain confident that Xbox 360 will not only outsell PS3 for the full calendar year, but for this entire generation.” … HE CAN REALLY BACK IT UP.

    Got this info right from the horse’s mouth – a well known “anti-Sony journalist”. He honestly told me that the Console Wars is like a fixed wrestling match. The play script is what you are actually seeing right now – M$ beating Sony in USA.

    You are right about worldwide sales but that is not the issue here. We all have to live with this.
    Don’t worry too much about the stupid console wars. Let the vp executives play their “game”.

    If you want japanese games to still be here for the long haul support them by all means but trust your instinct when choosing the best product hardware and software for your gaming needs but never be a victim fanboy playing their war games.

  22. oldschool1987:

    I’ve never paid for PSN (except plus). Never had another charge, never had to buy an online pass. This is not lying it is a fact.

    Who cares why Sony are doing what they are doing. The fact is they are doing it. I honestly don’t care if it’s because MS owned them at the start of this gen, doesn’t change the fact Sony are making as many things as possible free whilst MS are making as many free things as possible have a charge. This is not lying this is a fact.

    “Plenty of other people are willing to pay for it.”

    Yeah, plenty people are stupid. Look how popular Twilight is for proof.

  23. CarlB:

    So you never had to. Other people still are. It’s a fact.

    I care for why Sony is doing whatever they do about as much as I care for why MS is doing whatever they do: not much, but enough to know it probably has something to do with sales, which turning this article on it’s head, it seems Sony has lost it’s gain significantly on this last year, going down from over 2.3M gain per year to .3M per year.

    The fact is they were not giving away things for free, now they are, and they can just as easily go back to not doing it as they decided to take out PS2 backwards compatibility from the models they manufacture and start selling PS2 titles online at the same time.

    Perhaps they decided to subsidize these “free” things with sales from SD cards marked up 400%, by selling Minis that are free elsewhere for anywhere from $1 to $5 a pop (or including them behind their own “gold” wall), or by selling movies marked up 600%. People pay for these things as well, and I don’t consider them “stupid” either.

  24. phranctoast:

    “MS intends to earn money and they are a business?
    Oooh… what an enigma, for the dim-wit”

    Ohhh MS intends to hide a service that have been free for as long as the internet has been around behind a pay wall. I still see no justification for that.

    “No, I do not agree to XBLG’s fees and services.
    But just because I don’t agree to it doesn’t mean it is “stealing” or “Wrong”. Plenty of other people are willing to pay for it. ”

    Carlb is just a hypocrite who will attach his whole argument on a few choice words than the topic at hand.
    He’s like that douche who will go on and on about no one holding a gun to your head when you used the word “forced” in a sentence ignoring the topic for a miniscule pretend victory.

    As for Sony charging to play games online…

    Really? What’s the point of bringing it up in any sort of comparison when it can’t be compared to what MS is doing.

    Sony charges Renters to play online. A small minority of people who know that since they don’t play full price they shouldn’t expect a full game experience.

    MS charges everyone to play online. Whether you buy the game new, used, rent, borrow. You’re paying to play online.

    “So you never had to. Other people still are. It’s a fact.”

    Is it a fact? Who’s buying the online pass on games that they rent. I want to see this person.

    Who here has ever done this?

  25. navysteve:

    I think the used game markets probably big and they will need a PSN pass now!

    And why do you all ignore the SD card on the vita it’s as money grabbing as XBL! I’m not complaining because it’s obvious they just want to make money, I understand this, if I chose to buy a vita which I need someone with one to tell me if it’s worth it, then that’s the choice I make like I chose to pay for XBL. Sure I wish it was free the same as I would wish I could get an SD card instead of the expensive vita cards. No ones tricking me into either choice if I buy a vita I know what I’m letting myself in for the same when I bought an Xbox and gold

  26. CarlB:

    “MS intends to hide a service that have been free for as long as the internet has been around”

    What service is that?

    “Carlb is just a hypocrite”

    Takes one to know one. Now tell hypocrite here. Just because I don’t believe in paying for XBLG necessitate that I believe it is “Wrong” or “stealing”.

    “A small minority of people who know that since they don’t play full price they shouldn’t expect a full game experience.”

    And MS doesn’t charge the majority of 360 owners who know that since they don’t pay full price for XBLG anything they get for free on Silver is a bonus.

    As for Netflix, the only way I would expect a video retailer (MS in this case, who sells movies online) to make their competition’s service available at no additional charge would be if they are somehow losing ground in sales and need to entice more customers(Sony in this case).

    As for the “small minority” Sony is now charging renters to play online, they were not doing this before, so what’s to stop them from charging everybody in the future?

    “Who’s buying the online pass on games that they rent.”

    No one on the face of planet has rented a game and bought a PSN Pass for that game since the program’s launch??? What a completely unnecessary failure that entire program was. Unless of course they did make some sales. hmm.

    “I need someone with one to tell me if it’s worth it”

    For me it depends on how much free time you have away from your home console and whether or not the Vita can offer me a great game I can’t already find on my PS3. For me that game was Motorstorm RC which they offered for free on Vita. Then it came out on PS3 so I really don’t play it that much any longer.

    I wasn’t all that impressed with the Golden Abyss demo, plus I have a lot of games yet to play on my PS3, so the Vita’s gathering dust. Gravity Rush and Resistance Burning Skies look like some good upcoming games. But will they be good enough to defer on the best games you haven’t played or that are upcoming on PS3?

    I haven’t used it that much, but I would say if you have the free time away from your home console, get it. If not, wait, unless you are simply a gadget fiend like I am.

  27. oldschool1987:

    ” they were not doing this before, so what’s to stop them from charging everybody in the future?”

    I’ll complain and boycott Sony IF this happens. You’re acting like one of those people who complain about the maybes of the world. I hope you’re not panicking about Dec 21st because of what MAY happen lol.

  28. oldschool1987:

    Carl I don’t think you actually care as much as you say, I think you’re just having some fun trolling people. MS are 100x worse than Sony in what they charge for but your blaming Sony for everything and defending MS. I wish people wouldn’t feed your trolling because you just carry on.

  29. Roca.:

    “And why do you all ignore the SD card on the vita it’s as money grabbing as XBL!”

    Memory cards have never been free. but non of us support the use of proprietary add-ons….but if we’re going to talk about proprietary add-on, MS is the worst at that too. They still use propritary headsets and charging cables.

    At least on the Vita, web browsing, online gaming, party voice chat, and apps (netflix, twitter, facebook) are all free to access.

  30. CarlB:

    “those people who complain”

    Sorry, I find no reason to complain and haven’t here. Things are what they are, complaining here won’t change anything. Though as much as you seem to like to complain here, I guess it makes you feel better.

    “MS are 100x worse than Sony”

    No. They are both mega corporations who charge what they can get away with, whether it be SD cards, free games, or free apps. One is worse off right now so they are giving away free stuff to get more customers.

    “Memory cards have never been free.”

    There are plenty of free games Sony is more than willing to charge you for on PSN.

  31. Roca.:

    Carl lying again
    List all those free games please.

  32. oldschool1987:

    From not on I shall call you what Bird rightly called you: “TrollB” lol.

  33. CarlB:

    Roca,

    Since you asked so nicely, I’ll give you the first three I found, as I’m not about to go through the entire list of Minis available on PSN Store:

    Bashi Blocks
    Battle Poker
    Bunny Dodge

    Most of the rest I came across along the way were marked up 300% or more.

    “‘TrollB’ lol”

    Whatever you say “oldTroll” lol.

  34. oldschool1987:

    “Whatever you say “oldTroll” lol”

    Lol! At least you took my comment in jest. You know you’re still my boy Carl, even though you’re on the wind up path recently lol.

  35. Ivan_PSP:

    My list of bad things made by Sony my favorite well my second favorite company in the planet earth.

    TROLLING Like a boss. I Luv Sony regardless.

    1. PlayStation Vita card
    2. Getting rid of otherOS
    3. Not upgrading any of their web browser
    3. Advertising our awesome game badly
    4. The third person view on their new game direction awful, is like a first person meets third person weird.
    5. PlayStation Vita no single logging for every thing.
    6. 3G on Vita and not 4G
    7. AT&T they suck I had 30 days of awful service.
    8. PlayStation Move I hate it waste of money.
    9. Yellow Light of Death
    10. Blu-ray Disc problem
    11. Taking off backwards compatibility lucky i got a bunch of PS2 and two of my PS3 play PS2 games.
    12. Memory card slots take off.
    13. Facebook is useless awful
    14. No Adobe flash/HTML5 support on PlayStation Vita make it happen.
    15. PlayStation Vita awful cameras
    16. PlayStation Vita media codecs are seriously lacking only MP4 sucks.

  36. CarlB:

    “you’re still my boy Carl”

    bros before hos.
    Invite’s still open for a pint anytime.

  37. CarlB:

    “on the wind up path recently”

    I can’t help it if they let themselves get wound up so easily ;)

    “second favorite company”

    So what’s your favorite Ivan? Google?

    “I Luv Sony regardless.”

    I hear you. It’s hard not to considering how badly they are struggling and working to gain back customers. I kind of like underdog Sony, and use my PS3 daily. As much as I would like to see them succeed for their efforts, I know they probably only came about because they were knocked off their perch, and may not last long if they ever get on top again. That said, I’ll enjoy those perks while I can.

  38. CarlB:

    93 on Metacritic now…

    “If you play it on the Vita it’s even better.”

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/psp/velocity

  39. Ivan_PSP:

    Well Sony said that the PlayStation division and camera and another one I forgot were doing fine especially the PlayStation division. The rest was downhill. Columbia Pictures has amazing films.

    Sony has the power to succeed at everything they just need better management.

    Sony is among the Worldwide Top 20 Semiconductor Sales Leaders.

    1. Video Game business they got it lock down. Soon a monopoly.

    2. Music business they are a beast, Sony is the second-largest in the world. And soon biggest with the purchase of EMI.

    3. Sony Pictures Entertainment is the best and the Hollywood money maker.

    4. Camera business they own it.

  40. Ivan_PSP:

    CarlB:
    Yesssssssss Google. I hope Google and Sony unite for world domination with what Sony has and Google adverting they will surpass the 1 trillion market value.

  41. Roca.:

    @Carl
    Sony does make any of those games. The developers are the ones charging for it not Sony…on the other hand Sony has many free games such as Motorstorm RC, DCUO, KZ3 Online, Free Realms, Dust 514 and more.

  42. CarlB:

    @Roca,

    Sony doesn’t have to make any of those games. Sony is the one charging for them over PSN. Sony gets paid for distributing them via PSN and for each sale. MS doesn’t make Netflix, and they still get paid for distributing it via XBLG.

    Look roca, I’m not arguing PSN is the better deal overall, I’ve already stated that here several times and how PS3 is my current console of preference. I’m simply saying it’s nothing new for MS or Sony to sell something that is free elsewhere.

  43. Roca.:

    “Sony is the one charging for them over PSN”

    Developers/publisher set the price of their games, not Sony.

    Sony offers many games for free…and they also have offered many paid games for free (like Flow)

  44. CarlB:

    Developers/publishers have to pay Sony just to get it distributed via PSN. Sony then gets paid again with each sale. Sony sells games on PSN that are free elsewhere.

  45. CarlB:

    Publishers already have to pay Sony a licensing fee, and they have to pay a bandwidth fee on top of that.

    “‘It definitely makes us think about how we view the distribution of content related to our games when it is free for us to do it on the web, on Xbox Live, or any other way — including broadcast — than on Sony’s platform,’ one publishing source said. ‘It’s a new thing we have to budget. It’s not cool. It sucks.’
    One publishing source who has worked with Sony in the past year said the new policy is an unwanted burden. The source is concerned that the Network Fee will be a turn-off to publishers. One problem, he said, is that publishers will be caught by surprise at what the charges are going to be, as they do not have up-to-the-second data on how much of their content is being downloaded. ‘It’s like leaving your phone off the hook for a long distance call,’ the source said. ‘The meter is still running.’”

  46. Roca.:

    like I said, Sony doesn’t set the price for any PSN games. In fact, many DLC and games have been free before because Sony allows the distribution of free content via PSN.

    licensing fee doesn’t change this, pretty much every platform have this, including iOS.

  47. CarlB:

    In answer to your question: Yes, Sony sells games on PSN that are free elsewhere, and yes, Sony makes money off of each of those game sales.

  48. oldschool1987:

    Carl if we lived in the same country I’d actually go out my way to meet ya up for a pint. Next time I’m out I’ll have a drink to your retirement for ya ;)

  49. Roca.:

    @Carl
    Sony doesn’t forced anyone to charge for their games. if developers charge you for a game that’s because they wanted to charge for it, not Sony.

    If they want to let everyone download their games for free, Sony will let them do that as well. (Dust is free to download and free to play)

  50. CarlB:

    @Roca,

    If developers want to ever see their game on PSN they have to pay Sony for the dev kit, then the licensing fee, then the bandwidth fee. Sony makes the money off of their games first, developers second.

    Dust 514 is a micro-transaction model, where players pay for credits in game, and it has yet to come out on a Playstation platform.

    Sounds good Os, let me know and we’ll hit Vegas/L.A./Palm Springs/San Diego.

  51. Roca.:

    like I said, Sony doesn’t set the price for any PSN games. In fact, many DLC and games have been free before because Sony allows the distribution of free content via PSN.

    Dust is not the only game. Sony have allowed free DLC (Brutal Legend, AC, UT3, etc) and free games to be downloaded over PSN.

    Licensing fee doesn’t change this, pretty much every platform have this, including iOS.

  52. Roca.:

    Also as Twilight pointed out, Sony also offers free movies and TV shows…unlike Microsoft ;)

  53. CarlB:

    Like I said, Sony gets paid for every game on PSN.
    iOS dev kit is free, Sony’s is $1800.
    iOS doesn’t charge devs for bandwidth, Sony does.

    Brutal Legend?

    “Double Fine’s Brutal Legend had, on PS3, bugs that were never fixed; publisher EA declined to stump up the funding for a patch, seemingly because it couldn’t see the value in fixing a game that hadn’t sold well enough to justify the investment.” ($40,000 just for a patch)

    http://www.edge-online.com/news/schafer-console-patches-cost-40000

    Also, as I already pointed out, Sony is offering free content such as that you mentioned in order to entice more customers, as they have continued to lose their lead in sales over the past year, from over 2.3M per year to .3M last year.

  54. Roca.:

    ^ Your post is irrelevant to the discussion.

    strawman much?

    Next time stick to the topic…instead of just focusing on a single word of a post, and basing your argument on it.

    Sony still doesn’t charge consumers for free games and they still offers many paid DLC and games for free…unlike MS.

  55. twilight:

    The bottom line is that (when Sony was on top as CarlB likes to refer to it) Sony still never nickeled and dimed their customers as much as Microsoft has done. Sony still doesn’t charge for online play/access to apps and Sony still manages to give some stuff away for free. Yes, Sony’s position has resulted in changes. However, Sony does not share Microsoft’s nickel and dime mentality of its customers to the extent that Microsoft does.

  56. ncaissie:

    “Yeah, plenty people are stupid. Look how popular Twilight is for proof.”
    And Avatar.

  57. CarlB:

    My post is about as relevant as yours roca.

    Sony makes money off of games on PSN that are free elsewhere. They make some other things free because they have to in order to gain back the customers they lost to MS.

  58. jojo29:

    Twilight
    Well fucking said…. Even when Sony was on top they weren’t nickel and dining their fanbase….sure they were tryin to rape us with the initial cost of the ps3, but PSN had already been preludes to being free (in the late ps2 days) and announced as a free service…BEFORE they got a big wakening bitch slap to their faces in terms of becoming arrogant…but out of all my years of gaming and experience observing this industry of ours, Sony is the only one both smart, and bad ass enough to make such an epic ( <– hehe see what I did there) turnaround and actually make a comeback…. Sure they haven't overtaken the Wii s sales or haven't completely over taken MS, but they are doing everything (mostly) right in perspective of gamers….they really are the only ones listening…

  59. jojo29:

    Carlb,
    Shut the fuck up already dude, yes we know all companies are in for the money, wow your a real wise man, it’s as if your the only one who knows such things /end sarcasm

    The point we are making that seems to elude you, or you purposely ignore it to bring your stupid semantically dumb straw man arguments ( “it’s x company’s right and doesn’t make it wrong”) is we are saying out of the big 2 console makers, only MS is nickel and diming it’s customers, only MS is not bring anything fresh or new out…. The company thats pushing you know, that thing we live, GAMING, has been Sony…

    And before you chime in, yes we fucking know MS is making money on its bitch and WRONG strategy for the the consumer, but this is not the fuckig discussion Carlb, no matter how hard you try and make it to be, not one person here gives a shit about MS Or Sonys bottom line…

    And yet again before you chime in with “you should care if they don’t make money no games”… Again we don’t give a shit, we only care for who seems to be looking out for their fanbase and whose bringing the games and currently that is Sony….

    Now can you agree that as a fucking gamer (aka not a goddamn investor of Sony or ms stock) the place to be is PS3? It’s a simple yes or no question Carlb

  60. jojo29:

    And I got a new toy:
    2006 Kawasaki zx6r 636

    Took it to 160mph here in the desert of Lancaster!!!! Ask Roca, he seen pics of it!!

  61. CarlB:

    “when Sony was on top as CarlB likes to refer to it”

    Since you would like to refer to that:

    PS3 $500-$600 model “they’ll get a second job to pay for it and it will be sold out everywhere” mentality.
    Put in PS2 backwards compatibility in your models, then take it out because it’s “too expensive”, then start selling PS2 titles online.
    “We aren’t having trophies in the PS3, period” mentality (two years of not so great sales put a nail in that one, eh?).

    “Sony does not share Microsoft’s nickel and dime mentality”

    Oh it does, it’s just more like a dollar and ten dollar mentality:

    “We won’t charge for online play in our titles” turned into “we’ll start to charge renters and used game buyers $10 per game for online play”.
    Marking up SD cards 400%.
    Selling Minis on PSN marked up 400%.
    Selling movies/shows on PSN marked up 600%.

    Don’t fool yourself, Sony is after your money just as much as MS, they just have to give more of their product away for free in order to compete.

    And yes, Sony gladly sells free public domain movies for $10 a pop over PSN.

  62. Roca.:

    LMAO @ jojo

    Carl just got served.
    he’s full of shit and will drag an argument for years even when he knows he’s wrong.

    “Took it to 160mph here in the desert of Lancaster!!!! Ask Roca, he seen pics of it!!”

    one day that thing is going to kill you ;)

  63. jojo29:

    I’m glad you tried your usual here Carlb, allow me to retort and show the differences between really being nickel and dimed aka MS and just usual busines:

    “Marking up SD cards 400%.”
    Sony is known for this, but guess what, you can buy other branded SD cards for much cheaper… Your not forced into a service aka Gold….well done sweeping you here

    “Selling Minis on PSN marked up 400%.”

    Again, this is just the usual business, and the DEVELOPERS determine the price here, REgARDLESS of what goes on in the background (aka Sony charging developers, but then again, developers have also praised PSN due to Sony giving them the FREEDOM, more so than ms, to do what they want) done mopping here Carlb

    “Selling movies/shows on PSN marked up 600%”

    Again, this would have merit if Sony didn’t offer alternatives like Netflix, Hulu, etc so your not forced or limited to only one option aka HAVE to pay a sub no matter what with Gold…

    And that about wipes the floor with your poor attempt at whatever it is your trying to pOint out Carlb…

    “Don’t fool yourself, Sony is after your money just as much as MS, they just have to give more of their product away for free in order to compete.”

    OFF-TOPIC
    No shit really!? Wow nice Analysis there Carlb we did not know that!!! Yes, I agree it sucks about ONLINE pass (not just PSN pass) but we could go ahead and blame that shot on MS example with Gold service… And dumbasses like you that think it’s cool for this type of nickel and diming… You forget, we are on the consumer side of things, so really I don’t give a shit if it’s “their right to charge x price”, your right it is, but because of dumbasses who sub to these things don’t know any better they get away with it and it sets an example for other companies to follow suit…

    OFF-TOPIC
    It’s this that I am against by you defending this type of business model you are no better than the gas and oil companies getting away with financial murder….by you agreeing and defending MSs and to a much much lesser extent, everyone else’s nick and diming, your telling the companies it’s okay… And it’s not okay…too bad the few ( less than 13 million gold subs) end up speaking for the many (47 million) but I digress these whole two last paragraph is really just bitching about horrible business practices for the consumer and nothing to do with gaming, but since I spent the time typing it might as well let it fly lol

  64. jojo29:

    Roca
    I’m pretty careful when I ride, where I live we have like 10 mile straights of just pure desert road, so it’s very easy to just punch it for about 2-3 blocks, he’ll in one block you’ll get to 120… On normal streets and freeways I stick to the speed limits mostly, in the canyon I’m no knew dragger, but I do always worry about that thing one day bucking me off

  65. CarlB:

    “you can buy other branded SD cards for much cheaper”

    Not for Vita games you can’t.

    “Your not forced into a service aka Gold…”

    Your not forced into Gold just as you aren’t forced into PSN Pass.
    However, if you are a renter or happen to have the misfortune of buying used games for PS3 without PSN Pass, and play more than 5 games online per year, you will in effect be paying more for PSN Pass than you would for Gold.

    “developers have also praised PSN due to Sony giving them the FREEDOM”

    The “FREEDOM” of being limited to 100MB (XBL is 500MB)? Or the “FREEDOM” of having to pay for bandwidth?

    “if Sony didn’t offer alternatives like Netflix, Hulu, etc”

    Once again, they don’t charge for these because they can’t afford to, they need all the customers they can get right now, it doesn’t mean it will last forever, just as them making their consoles PS2 backwards compatible didn’t last even a short time.

    “we could go ahead and blame that shot on MS example”

    How convenient. Blame it on MS because Sony isn’t responsible for their own actions.

    “And dumbasses like you that think it’s cool for this type of nickel and diming”

    Where on earth did I say it was “cool”? I simply said it is “the usual business” just as you are trying to explain away Sony’s ridiculous markups.

    “the gas and oil companies getting away with financial murder”

    You are always welcome to have your horse and buggy instead of gas, and burn the horse shit for your heating and cooking needs. It seems you’ve already done that for too long now though, as the fumes have wrecked your brain. Btw, the price of gas is down.

  66. CarlB:

    Tell me roca, is Sony selling movies available for free elsewhere for $10 a pop “right”? You people certainly have selective vision… must be blinders the size of houses.

  67. Roca.:

    “Not for Vita games you can’t”

    I prefer to have a Vita with proprietary SD cards that lets play online, X game & video chat, access free apps, have a web broswer at no extra cost than having a 360 with MANY proprietary add-ons (including HDD) but also blocks access to online gaming, free apps (YouTube, Netflix, Facebook, etc), X game & video chat and web browsing unless you sign up for a sub.

    tell me, which company is more consumer friendly?

    Sony charges developers/publishers (multimillion dollar companies) and Microsoft charges gamers and also serve them ads….

    tell me, which company is more consumer friendly?

    Even tho MS nicle & dime is user based every way the can and serve them ads….They refuse to reward great content. MS doesn’t not invest in new and risky IPs or big-budget games anymore. Instead they are focusing on “mini games” (Kinect) and media apps that are hidden behind a pay wall.

    Sony, even tho they losing billions of dollars…they Still invest in big-budget games (Last of Us, Last Guardian, GOW, etc), while also supporting new, risky and innovative IPs to offer its users a unique gaming experience that can only be found on Playstation.

    tell me, which company is more consumer friendly?

  68. jojo29:

    “Your not forced into Gold just as you aren’t forced into PSN Pass.”

    If you want to play online games or access any type of service, it’s forced. Period.

    PSN Pass? Online Pass you mean, quit pointing the fingers at sony when other developers were responsible for the idea, as I mentioned. Activision/EA were the first ones on board

    “The “FREEDOM” of being limited to 100MB (XBL is 500MB)? Or the “FREEDOM” of having to pay for bandwidth?”

    Are you dumb? Or are you referring to just minis ? Because as far as far as I remember Sony never or had a higher limit than the 360 on PSN games… It was recent that ms moved up their limitation. And yes freedom, ms stated they would not allow free dlc, ask epic games and that fiasco

    “Once again, they don’t charge for these because they can’t
    Afford too”

    Wow, your actually defending ms charging for free services and bagging on why Sony “has” to offer things for free…wow…

  69. jojo29:

    ^^
    What Roca said lol

  70. Roca.:

    seems like Carl cares more about multibillion dollar companies than consumers (people like us)

  71. CarlB:

    “quit pointing the fingers at sony when other developers were responsible for the idea”

    Once again, so convenient to not hold Sony accountable for their own actions and blame it others instead.

    “are you referring to just minis ?”

    Yes. However devs being charged for bandwidth applies to any game, even DLC, as I linked above. $40,000 for a patch? Ridiculous.

    “bagging on why Sony”

    I’m not bagging on them offering free content, I’m taking advantage of it, but I’m also not being naive enough to think it is out of the goodness of their heart or because they are somehow fundamentally different than MS as a mega-corporation. The only thing that makes their actions different now is their present situation. I’ve also still retained enough sense to still be critical of Sony as well as MS, unlike some here.

    “seems like Carl cares more about multibillion dollar companies than consumers (people like us)”

    No, I don’t care for Sony or MS more than myself. Sorry.

  72. CarlB:

    roca, you still haven’t answered my question:

    “is Sony selling movies available for free elsewhere for $10 a pop ‘right’”?

  73. Roca.:

    @Carl
    tbh, I don’t even remember the last time I went into the PSN Video store…but I can tell you I got the entire first season of Pan am for free and many free first episodes of many seasons.

    But to answer your question, I believe Sony is charging as much as MS and its Zune video store.

    You still haven’t answered question
    “which company is more consumer friendly?”

  74. CarlB:

    Well then, in answer to your question, I believe Sony is as consumer friendly as MS allows it to be.

  75. Roca.:

    You still haven’t answered my questions

    Carl – “Not for Vita games you can’t”

    I prefer to have a Vita with proprietary SD cards that lets play online, X game & video chat, access free apps, have a web broswer at no extra cost than having a 360 with MANY proprietary add-ons (including HDD) but also blocks access to online gaming, free apps (YouTube, Netflix, Facebook, etc), X game & video chat and web browsing unless you sign up for a sub.

    tell me, which company is more consumer friendly?

    Sony charges developers/publishers (multimillion dollar companies) and Microsoft charges gamers and also serve them ads….

    tell me, which company is more consumer friendly?

    Even tho MS nicle & dime is user based every way the can and serve them ads….They refuse to reward great content. MS doesn’t not invest in new and risky IPs or big-budget games anymore. Instead they are focusing on “mini games” (Kinect) and media apps that are hidden behind a pay wall.

    Sony, even tho they losing billions of dollars…they Still invest in big-budget games (Last of Us, Last Guardian, GOW, etc), while also supporting new, risky and innovative IPs to offer its users a unique gaming experience that can only be found on Playstation.

    tell me, which company is more consumer friendly?

  76. CarlB:

    And you still haven’t answered mine.

    MS doesn’t sell SD cards or Vita, Sony does.

    A 400% markup on SD cards is not consumer friendly.

    Sony charges indie developers as well as big developers/publishers inordinate fees, which forces them to mark up prices… of which Sony always gets a generous cut.

    This doesn’t wind up being consumer friendly either.

    Sony sells movies that are free elsewhere for $10 a pop.

    This also isn’t consumer friendly.

    Sony will sell you the same games you already own after they take out from all models of PS3 made after 2007 the same backwards compatibility they put into their previous models, and said PS2 games on PS3 were just not feasible.

    Not consumer friendly.

    Sony will tell you online play is free for everyone for years and then charge renters and used games buyers $10 per PSN Pass game for even a few seconds of online play.

    Consumer friendly? No.

    MS, Sony, and Nintendo are only as “consumer friendly” as they need to be, so whether or not any one given company happens to be more so in a few ways for a small period of time within a generation is irrelevant, and don’t count on it for any extended period of time.

    “even tho they losing billions of dollars…they Still invest in big-budget games (Last of Us, Last Guardian, GOW, etc”

    Well, I guess if they go under because of over-priced tv’s and a puppy dog chicken game that’s been delayed for years we can all drink a toast to the Sony that used to be.

  77. CarlB:

    Back on the topic of sales.

    PlayStation 3 is down 400,000 units from the year before.
    PlayStation Portable is down 1.2M from the year before, slightly made up for with Vita sales last year.
    PlayStation 2 is down 2.3M from the year before.

    “For comparison’s sake, it’s worth noting that for the 1.8 million PlayStation Vitas sold, Nintendo has sold 17.13 million 3DS handhelds, per Nintendo’s own data. Nintendo 3DS also suffered from sluggish sales early on, as is well-known, but not nearly as bad as Vita’s stumbling sales. All of this adds up to one thing: you can count on PlayStation Vita getting a price cut at E3.”

  78. Barnabe Jones:

    A 400% markup on hard drives is not consumer friendly.

    A 400% markup on WiFi adapters is not consumer friendly.

    Charging you to use your own internet connection is not consumer friendly.

    Charging you an additional fee to access NetFlix is not consumer friendly.

    Promoting shovel-ware Kinect games is not consumer friendly.

  79. Barnabe Jones:

    Lying about “hardcore kinect games” was also not consumer friendly.

    66% failure ratio is also not consumer friendly…. not even a little bit ;)

  80. CarlB:

    So we can agree both companies are not “consumer friendly” in general ;)

  81. twilight:

    “A 400% percent markup on SD cards is not consumer friendly.”
    Neither is putting out shoddy hardware, charging for online play, and charging consumers to access apps that are free on other devices. So what Sony is charging higher prices for memory cards. They still have not nickeled and dimed customers to the extent Microsoft has done. Microsoft is the king of proprietory hardware rip off. Unlike Microsoft when Sony transitioned from the Ps2 to Ps3, Ps3 gamers could still use most of their old accessories. Look what Sony has given back:
    Quality hardware. Yes, the system was expensive at launch but it included blu ray which was a newer expensive technology at the time the Ps3 system launched. Unlike Xbox360 owners, Ps3 gamers certainly got their investment back. Ps3 owners did not have to replace their system for failures or pay for online fees. People that purchased a Xbox360 have spent more money and time in general replacing the Xbox360, damaged Xbox360 games, and online fees then purchasing the Ps3 at full price.
    Online store pricing: Psn is just as competitive as other digital online services and sometimes better. Psn gives free shows and stuff away. Psn has a weekly sale on movies for $5 every week. Sony charging the corporations more is not effecting pricing. Sony’s pricing is still better overall on games/movies then Microsoft is and is still competitive with other digital services.
    As far as the Psn pass goes, Sony is not the only gaming company that does this. There is absolutely nothing that says that a gamer that purchases a game used or rents a game should have the full rights as a gamer that buys the game new. If you don’t think enough of a game to buy it new, then you shouldn’t complain if Sony and other makers of games want to give more perks to gamers that buy new games. Psn online is still free to access apps and play online against other gamers.
    Backwards compatibility: The majority of gamers don’t care about this hardly anymore. If people want to play Ps2 gamers, they can either buy a Ps2 or backwards compatibility Ps3.
    Sony’s game re-makes: If you don’t like them, don’t buy them. No one is forcing you to buy the games. There is a market that appreciates re-masters of older games. Microsoft has done the same thing. Halo re-mastered.
    As far as Sony going under, if this ever happens it will be a sad day for all gamers. Sony has given gamers innovative and quality games. What has Microsoft given gamers lately? Higher online pricing, more apps that are free on other devices, no games, and a new dashboard that is riddled with advertisements. On top of all of this now, Microsoft is now adding even more advertisements to Xbox live Gold members who already pay for their services. Microsoft is a pure greed company and all they care about is getting money any which way they can. There is no justification for this.

  82. Roca.:

    Still no answer..

    a Vita with proprietary SD cards lets play online, X game & video chat, access free apps, have a web broswer at no extra cost than having a 360 with MANY proprietary add-ons (including HDD) but also blocks access to online gaming, free apps (YouTube, Netflix, Facebook, etc), X game & video chat and web browsing unless you sign up for a sub.

    tell me, which company is more consumer friendly?

    Sony charges developers/publishers (multimillion dollar companies) and Microsoft charges gamers and also serve them ads….

    tell me, which company is more consumer friendly?

    Even tho MS nicle & dime is user based every way the can and serve them ads….They refuse to reward great content. MS doesn’t not invest in new and risky IPs or big-budget games anymore. Instead they are focusing on “mini games” (Kinect) and media apps that are hidden behind a pay wall.

    Sony, even tho they losing billions of dollars…they Still invest in big-budget games (Last of Us, Last Guardian, GOW, etc), while also supporting new, risky and innovative IPs to offer its users a unique gaming experience that can only be found on Playstation.

    tell me, which company is more consumer friendly?

  83. Roca.:

    A 400% markup on hard drives is not consumer friendly.

    A 400% markup on WiFi adapters is not consumer friendly.

    Charging you to use your own internet connection is not consumer friendly.

    Charging you an additional fee to access NetFlix is not consumer friendly.

    Promoting shovel-ware Kinect games is not consumer friendly.

    Lying about “hardcore kinect games” was also not consumer friendly.

    66% failure ratio is also not consumer friendly…. not even a little bit ;)

    ROFLMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  84. Roca.:

    ^ @ BJ
    that hilarious lol

  85. CarlB:

    Hello flip.

    “charging for online play”

    Sony does that.

    “They still have not nickeled and dimed customers to the extent Microsoft has done.”

    So it’s okay if they dollar and ten dollar us in other places because of MS? My ass.

    “Ps3 owners did not have to replace their system for failures or pay for online fees.”

    Tell that to the PS3 owners here who had to replace their system.

    I left 360 for PS3 only to find, yes, I still have to pay online fees.

    “Psn is just as competitive as other digital online services and sometimes better.”

    $10 for public domain movies or free? I’ll take free.

    “Sony’s pricing is still better overall on games/movies then Microsoft is”

    So Microsoft is the standard Sony goes by now? How sad is that.

    “Psn gives free shows and stuff away.”

    They give stuff away for free that promotes their product? Amazing.

    “Psn has a weekly sale on movies for $5 every week.”

    Who wants SD versions any more? You can get a higher resolution DVD version for a similar price.

    “Sony charging the corporations more is not effecting pricing.”

    Right. Because that cost isn’t considered at all in the final price. Keep on fooling yourself honey.

    “Microsoft is now adding even more advertisements to Xbox live Gold members”

    You paid for it longer than I did. Just a few months ago they had your full support. I hold Sony to what it can be not what MS does.

    Goodbye flop.

  86. CarlB:

    roca (aka slow comprehension),

    I wouldn’t have switched to PS3 if I didn’t think they had the better deal at the moment, the fact is they still charge you for things that are free elsewhere and mark up products exponentially. If you call that “consumer friendly” then you are deluding yourself.

  87. twilight:

    First of all, Sony doesn’t charge for online play. If you want all of the benefits of a new game, then quit being cheap and buy the game new then you wouldn’t have to deal with this issue. You have to pay regardless for online play on Xbox live as well plus additional fees for games that require online passes.
    Failure rates… More people replaced their Xbox360′s then Ps3 systems. Xbox360 has the worse failure rate of any gaming system in history.
    Lol. Microsoft has sucked a lot more money out of you then me. You payed for Xbox live for years. The Xbox360 was your primary gaming system. I only ended up actually paying for three months of Xbox live. The other three months came for free.
    Sony’s pricing is competitive with the competitions pricing. After all, Sony is not the company getting negative articles written about them for their high online pricing but Microsoft is.
    What exactly has Microsoft given away for free? Microsoft is the worse of all of the gaming companies.

  88. CarlB:

    First of all, Sony charges for online play to every person who rents or buys used games that have already have had the PSN Pass used. If I wanted to pay 6x more for a game I only played for a week or two then 360 would do just as nicely.

    “More people replaced their Xbox360?s then Ps3 systems.”

    Link Please. Regardless, significant failure rates are now okay?

    “Sony’s pricing is competitive with the competitions pricing.”

    I see. Sony’s pricing relies upon the competition, not their own decision.

    You continue to see MS as the leader by which Sony follows, I continue to see how Sony can be better by disregarding MS entirely.

  89. twilight:

    “If I wanted to pay 6x more for a game I only played a week or two then 360 would do just as nicely.” Then buy games new so you don’t have to pay for passes or go back to playing the Xbox360 and still pay for certain online passes and pay 6 times as much in a lifetime.
    “Link Please. Regardless, significant failure rates are still okay?”
    What are you suffering from a bit of denial? Oh, my goodness you are disputing system failure rates now. It is a fact that Xbox360 has the highest failure rate of any gaming system in history.
    “Sony’s pricing relies upon the competition, not their decision.” All companies stay competitive with their competition to a certain extent. Sony is leading in what gamers care about the most games. Sony has new, innovative quality games coming out and what exactly does Microsoft have again?

  90. Roca.:

    @Carl (aka retarded strawman)

    you still have not answered my question

  91. phranctoast:

    More examples of Carlb wasting his breath. Even after everything is said and done. He plays on the PS3 more than the 360, and for many of the same reasons being portrayed in this argument.

    Troll much?

  92. CarlB:

    @Almond,

    Google.

    @Flip,

    I prefer to save a thousand or two a year instead of buy new games. The games I rent I play through almost every time, instead of putting them back on the shelf to gather dust after 1%-5% completion as you do.

    Are you getting roca sickness also? I merely asked for a link confirming your claim that as of today more people have replaced their 360 than their PS3, as I’m truly interested in reading it, and I didn’t deny anything.

    “what exactly does Microsoft have again?”

    When did I ever say MS was better or that they had more? In fact I said I support PS3 instead.

    http://gamer.blorge.com/2011/09/18/microsoft-xbox-tv-will-users-pay-to-watch-a-service-they-already-pay-for/#comment-172413

    Goodbye Flop.

  93. twilight:

    Digging quotes out are we? Do you think this is going to make me shut up? Just to let you know, it want. I paid for Xbox live for what I stated I paid for. You still have been suckered out of more money from Microsoft then I ever have.
    Anyways, this has nothing to do with your argument. Microsoft is the worse gaming company!!!

  94. Roca.:

    Carl lost this argument few days ago…and he still doesn’t get it.

  95. Roca.:

    “ng quotes out are we?”

    he’s desperate because he knows he lost the argument. he knows he’s wrong and he has nothing else to say.

    becareful…next time he’ll just start making ridiculous arguments based on a single word of one of your post 8)

  96. CarlB:

    “you think this is going to make me shut up?”

    Is that possible?

    “Just to let you know, it want.”

    ?

    Oh. It won’t? darn.

    “You still have been suckered out of more money from Microsoft then I ever have.”

    Yet I still save thousands more than you and wind up playing more.

    “Microsoft is the worse gaming company!!!”

    “!” lol.

    ahh roca. I’m flattered you care so much about what I think that you simply have to base 90% of your comments on my posts… but don’t you think it’s time to be a big boy now and have some original thought? 8)

  97. Roca.:

    “it’s time to be a big boy now”

    says the 40-year old loser who’s the most immature in here and acts like a kid from grade school 8)

    You lost the argument, get over it.

  98. CarlB:

    Your 40? Wow.

  99. CarlB:

    *you’re*

  100. CarlB:

    I knew you were immature, so I never would have guessed you’re actually years older than I am.

  101. phranctoast:

    “You lost the argument, get over it.”

    He lost the argument when instead of hitting on the topic discussed strayed away with a bunch of.. but Sony’s doing this, and but Sony’s doing that.

    If it makes you feel better to discuss the PSVitas memory cards when someone points out an issue with MS, I guess go right ahead.

    Anyone can see the sad petty way in which you try and debate.

  102. CarlB:

    OH. I see. No one is allowed to point out anything bad about Sony. Especially when MS is being criticized. Heaven forbid anyone criticize Sony.

  103. jojo29:

    Carlb
    This is the lowest I’ve seen you go:
    “Sony online play is not free”

    I have never paid to play a game online on a sony system….this is a flat out lie…

    Renters/used game people(myself included) I still have yet to pay to play online….the handful of games I’ve bought used were before the INDUSTRY aka NOT Sony decided to add Online Passes to used games to combat the used game market, which directly affects the renting market….don’t put the blame directly on Sony…. This is a perfect example of what I’ve been trying to get across your thick hallow head: companies will follow suit…

    By your own dumb example, MS charges for online play because they think they are right ( they are not) and because 12~ million people are stupid and dumb enough to subscribe to that horseshit….but since they are willing to pay like the dumb fucks they are, MS is happy….it sets a very poor anti consumer example, and if you truly are unbiased and fair, I want to hear you bitch about this, lest, you become a hypocrit

    EA/Activision set the example for Online Pass….Sony followed suit and now, rightly so in a very misguided way, your throwing a bitch fit….fair enough…but keep things fair and unbiased and I want to clearly see from you the following:

    MS Gold sub is a pathetic anti consumer service

    Your sitting here bitching about Sony adding PSN Pass when EA/Activision set the precedent….online pass covers more than just Sony games, bitch at all of them not just Sony….

    And check this out:

    Sony new game $60 nets you: online play, Netflix, Hulu, etc… Blu ray player, Internet browser…. Wow all that for $60 bucks….

    Sony used game $50 + PSN pass $10 = $60 nets you online play , netflix, Hulu , etc. wow…. Still quite a bit

    MS new game $60 + Gold sub $60 = $120 (this is one year only btw rofl) gets you Netflix , Hulu, ads, etc….

    MS used game $50 + $10 online pass + $60 Gold nets you Netflix online play etc…

    No matter how you slice Carlb, the facts speak for themselves…MS are the only ones being purely greedy and anti consumer…..

  104. jojo29:

    Get the off the fuck off the “oh don’t be mad at Sony” bullshit…

    We’ve already called out Sony on their bullshit:
    -high launch price
    - lack of games (oh wow the same shit we are criticizing me for)
    - arrogant attitude
    - removal of backwards compatibility
    - joining of online pass requirement

    The difference is, your the only one still clinging to shot we’ve already discussed… Price no longer an issue, lack of games is no longer and issue, arrogant attitude has been humbled, bwc is not so much a big deal but still sucky and yes online pass sucks balls

    Difference is, unlike MS, Sony has always listened to its gamers or at least pretends to more than MS….Sony is at least bringing what counts : GAMES

  105. phranctoast:

    “OH. I see. No one is allowed to point out anything bad about Sony. Especially when MS is being criticized. Heaven forbid anyone criticize Sony.’

    Criticize all you want. It’s just a poor method of debate by discussing another company when the topics not even about them.

    Sony in this instance does not charge for use of it’s browser.

    They would act as a better example of how it should be when discussing internet browsers on consoles.

    Instead you angle it with 400% proprietary memory cards etc,

    I don’t think anyone will argue that they like being screwed over, but your example would work better when discussing like things.

  106. CarlB:

    “MS Gold sub is a pathetic anti consumer service”

    I personally don’t subscribe to it, but it does look much better than it did at the start of this generation.

    “I want to hear you bitch about this”

    I already have. Several times. Then I switched to PS3.

  107. Roca.:

    “but it does look much better than it did at the start of this generation”

    and more expensive.

    While PSN looks 100x better than it did at the start of this gen and still remain free.

    just stop Carl, you’re embarrassing yourself.

  108. jojo29:

    :)

  109. CarlB:

    “While PSN looks 100x better than it did at the start of this gen and still remain free.”

    Again, one of the reasons why I switched to it.

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