PS3 lifetime sales surpasses 70 million units, fastest selling HD console

November 17, 2012

Earlier today Sony sent out a presser revealing that the PlayStation 3 reached a new milestone of 70 million units sold to date worldwide. This news comes on the heel of Microsoft’s announcement last month revealing that the Xbox 360 sales also reached 70 million units worldwide.

This makes the PS3 the fastest selling HD console this generation as it has only been out for 6 years in the US and 5 years and 8 months in Europe compared to its competitor, Microsoft’s Xbox 360 which also reached the 70 million milestone after 7 years out on the market.

This really isn’t all that surprising considering the fact that the PS3 has been steadily outselling the Xbox 360 every year. Some other interesting tidbits thrown out include PS Move sales, which have apparently now reached 15 million units worldwide.

In addition, Sony has revealed that more than 595 million games have been sold for the PS3 thus far.

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80 Responses to “PS3 lifetime sales surpasses 70 million units, fastest selling HD console”

  1. me_:

    “PS3 still last after 6 years of trying to regain former position”

    That would have been a better title.

  2. phranctoast:

    That would be a stupid title as the ps3 never formally had the lead.

  3. me_:

    Good point, I was giving the PS3 too much credit. How about this;

    “Sony still last after 6 years of trying to regain former position”

  4. phranctoast:

    That doesn’t work either as they never lost that lead.

  5. ncaissie:

    And they passed ms with year on year sales. LMFAO I love how these idiots don’t consider the extra year of sales for the 3shitty which never gets turned on at my place.

  6. gunstar:

    Congrats Mike! you are right as always

  7. gunstar:

    Xbox has no global appeal that is for sure

  8. me_:

    “That doesn’t work either as they never lost that lead.”

    Sony hasn’t lost the lead to Nintendo and Microsoft in your world yet? Ok…. did the Walkman never lose the lead to the iPod in your world too?

  9. Roca.:

    Sony never lead this generation, Microsoft did and lost the lead to Nintendo and then lost the 2nd place lead to Sony.

    MS went from being first to being last…even after having the market for themselves for an entire year lmao

  10. CarlB:

    Well deserved Sony.

    It “only” took six years, but you’ve improved a lot in them, especially in comparison to MS and Ninty.

    The “extra year” of 360 sales is a factor, but one that would have been laughed at this far in the life cycle in the computer/tech world, as it takes a good enough product only a year or two to handily overtake dominant predecessors.

    But this just shows what a good job the big three have done extending the console lifecycles in comparison with the rest of the tech world; and in effect (even though neither MS or Ninty are nearly as good as PS3 now), being able to provide a ton of digital entertainment over longer periods of time.

    As much as I was looking forward to enjoying PS4 by now, I’m still having a blast playing through RE5 again after all these years with the GE made available at no extra charge through PSN Plus.

    IMO PS3 deserves the top spot and more as far as pure gaming and entertainment value, but MS and Ninty seem to have other parts of the business more downpat (read: charging customers more for the same thing or less).

    Unfortunately, it’s too late this gen for PS3 to regain anything like PS2′s dominance… but even if they take what they learned this gen into next, PS4 (and other consoles) are likely to have a much tougher time of selling their wares to the masses than they have in the past, considering the ongoing rise of mobile.

    Just saw an article in Popular Mechanics today… lifespan of formats:

    Magnetic HDD: 3-7 years
    SSD: 10 years
    SDHC: 10 years
    Blu-ray disc: 10-15 years (unless it’s a gold coated archival disc – 100 years)

    “Delkin” is touting a 200 year gold disc on Amazon, but really, they have to be figuring… who is going to “prove” them wrong after a 100 years and demand their money back? ;)

    http://www.amazon.com/Delkin-DDBD-R-10-SPIN-6X/dp/B0081KGAGY/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1353195991&sr=8-16&keywords=archival+blu+ray+disc

  11. ncaissie:

    What a waist if they fail hey Carl?
    Pass. I don’t need to keep anything for 200 years.

  12. me_:

    3-7 years for magnetic drives seems a little short in my experience. I use a mirrored setup so if one drive fails I just replace it. It’s all good as long as two drives don’t fail at the same time.

    The extra year is a bit of a joke at this stage. I still remember the Sony fanoys saying the extra year wouldn’t matter because when the PS3 launched all the loyal PS2 owners would switch to the PS2.

  13. oldschool1987:

    Lol me is proper butt hurt about MZ going into last place after having an entire year lead on the market and having a 10 million unit gap lol. You have to fuck up big time to give up that huge advantage.

  14. me_:

    Is the 360 in last place? I though the 360 got to 70 million units a while ago. Wouldn’t that put the PS3 in last place?

    Is this some kind of new crazy Sony maths?

  15. CarlB:

    “Is the 360 in last place?”

    If MS’ 70M includes RRoD consoles I’d say yes. Even being conservative at 2-5M consoles affected puts them behind.
    http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9026340/Xbox_360_red_ring_of_death_costs_Microsoft_more_than_1B

  16. oldschool1987:

    MS got to 70 million a month ago, Sony got there after a year behind and a 10 million gap. Are you saying Xbox won’t be last place? I want you to clearly say you think the 360 won’t be last soon so once they have officially over taken you can come back on here and admit you were wrong lol.

  17. Roca.:

    “All Xbox Live services are currently inaccessible to those affected. Microsoft’s Xbox status page currently says users “may experience difficulties viewing backgrounds, channels, or slots from Xbox Live in the Xbox Dashboard” but the issue we’re seeing appears far more severe. This outage comes just a day after Microsoft celebrated the tenth anniversary of Xbox Live.”

    http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/17/3657036/xbox-live-major-service-outage

  18. PS3 RULEZ890:

    By next year the PS3 will be in second place and M$ will release the next XBOX with 80% of them exploding/overheating in the first 3yrs and M$ will be forced to abandon the console market due to legal issues involving kids being hurt by faulty 720s/Duarngos.

    That and Sony will release a cheaper version of the PS VITA and release loads of kick ass exclusive games for loyal fans to play all year long while both systematically laughing and pitying the Xbots who wasted thier money and Nintendo will innovative the hell out of thw Wii U and 3DS.

  19. CON:

    Taking a step back from a fanboy perspective ms gave sony a run for their money this gen, which was good for both parties. After 6 long years both consoles are pretty much 50/50. I’d be more interested in which console was actually a success.

    Xbox made a massive loss with the RROD but has kind of been holding its own with a high software sales and by resisting the temptation of a significant price cut for several years now. Sony is now selling steadily but was making a big loss per sale and made another big price cut last year.

  20. phranctoast:

    “ony hasn’t lost the lead to Nintendo and Microsoft in your world yet?”

    Aren’t they still in the position of having most consoles sold? The PS2 is still selling and no console has topped the 150M+. The PS2 and the Wii are currently selling a similar number of consoles atm.

  21. Roca.:

    “The PS2 and the Wii are currently selling a similar number of consoles atm”

    and the PS3 is outselling the 360 and Wii combined this year.

  22. Godless:

    I personally think MS gave Sony a lesson on how to sell consoles and provide a robust online service this gen.

    PS3 has been playing catch up most of this gen, and has only really now proven it can do better than MS. Even if it can’t do it and make a profit.

    Next gen will see the new xbox with full compatibility to 360 games with some graphical & performance enhancement on those games, along with blue ray, and the very polished online service.

    Sony have already stated the PS4 will not support PS3 games. Here lies Sonys weakest link. a console with a hand full of games Vs one with a full back catalogue.

    This is going to hurt Sony make no mistake about it. With probably very little to separate the next gen performance wise, They could end up playing catch-up all over again due to the lack of backward compatibility.

    I know which one I’d buy first.

  23. Godless:

    PS2 is only selling in third world countries because it has a free catalogue of pirated games.

    this is making Sony a small profit on hardware, but is probably a shot in the foot when you look at the whole picture regarding console & games sales across all platforms.

  24. Roca.:

    @Godless
    “PS3 has been playing catch up most of this gen”

    Actually, the PS3 has been leading in sales if you don’t count 360 sales from 05/06 when the PS3 was not available for sale.

    “I personally think MS gave Sony a lesson on how to sell consoles”

    LMAO You can’t be serious…Microsoft is definitely going to finish this generation in last place and most likely won’t reach 100M units sold. Since entering the console gaming business, every single gaming console from Sony have sold 100M+ units (PS3 is on pace to sell 100M+). Microsoft wishes to have those kinds of sales…in fact, MS have not reached 100M units even if you count the sales of both the original Xbox and the 360.

    @Godless
    “Sony have already stated the PS4 will not support PS3 games”

    You’re such a liar. Quote Sony stating such thing.
    I’ll be waiting…

    Godless – “I know which one I’d buy first”

    You didn’t surprise anybody, we all knew.

  25. twilight:

    Even with the billion dollar repair bill, Xbox360 has been more successful finacially overall then Ps3 has this generation.

  26. phranctoast:

    While BC is important early on when software titles specific to the new platform are few, I’d hardly register that as a reason to own one over the other.

    In fact, as an early adopter, I’d be extremely leery of MS with their early hardware considering it was revealed that the MS was aware of the 360′s issues prior to launch and went ahead anyway.

  27. phranctoast:

    “Even with the billion dollar repair bill, Xbox360 has been more successful finacially overall then Ps3 has this generation.”

    And what does that mean for the consumer? The number of 360 exclusive titles pale in comparison to the PS3, and XBLG tries to earn money from no effort at all.

  28. Godless:

    Ok Roca Sony may not have come right out and said it, but they probably never will, It’s hardly a great selling point is it?

    http://www.examiner.com/article/playstation-4-features-revealed-ps4-not-backwards-compatible-for-ps3

  29. Roca.:

    Sony have not said anything about PS4 yet. Everything you read on the web are rumors…

    idk why would you lie and say “Sony have already stated the PS4 will not support PS3 games”

  30. Godless:

    It’s not a lie Roca, it’s been reported in many places now.

    Are you saying you really think the PS4 will have PS3 compatibility?

  31. Roca.:

    “It’s not a lie Roca”

    then show me the link where Sony is actually stating the PS4 won’t be backwards compatible…

    you either show me the link or stop lying.

  32. phranctoast:

    @godless

    That link didn’t say PS4 won’t have BC. It said it will likely go through Gaiko for PS3 BC.

  33. oldschool1987:

    It better have BC or count me out. I don’t want a PS3 set up and PS4 at the same time. I certainly won’t keep swapping them over. I’ll happily pay extra for BC. Why go out the way to release all the HD collections from last gen if they won’t even carry over to next gen? Nintendo always favor BC, no wonder they’re first.

  34. phranctoast:

    ” Nintendo always favor BC, no wonder they’re first.”

    Minus the N64 to Gamecube of course and everything before that. Doesn’t hurt when the system specs between the former console are pretty much identical with the GC and the Wii.

  35. Godless:

    Phranc
    “@godless
    That link didn’t say PS4 won’t have BC. It said it will likely go through Gaiko for PS3 BC.”

    LMAO

    Do you really think you could play Motorstorm 3 Armageddon via remote processing?

    Plats Vs Zombies maybe, but fast action games are just not going to work well.

    Why dont Sony just do a PS4 app, and PS4 games will run on the PS3 ;)

  36. Roca.:

    Calm down people, Sony has not said anything about the PS4 not being able to play PS3 games.

  37. phranctoast:

    “In October 2012, Gaikai launched their revamped website teasing PlayStation titles including God of War, inFamous and LittleBigPlanet among other titles.[27]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaikai

  38. oldschool1987:

    You have a point Phranc, Nintendo always use out dated tech. Even the Wii U which is just released is old tech. In a years time it will be last gen but my point is if Sony wanted to release a model of PS4 for a higher price then there’s a market out there for it. I’d pay more for BC, happily.

  39. Roca.:

    “Do you really think you could play Motorstorm 3 Armageddon via remote processing?”

    I don’t think so either.

    I don’t believe the rumors, I believe the PS4 will play PS3 games… We’ve heard before that the PS4 will be DD only or that it won’t play used games – those were false rumors as well.

  40. phranctoast:

    “I’d pay more for BC, happily.”

    Yeah. I’d weigh the options. Although I paid an additional $100 for only 40GB more of RAM at launch. In hindsight, I should have gotten the 20GB and upgraded it when I wanted to for cheap.

  41. greenLanternfan:

    Good job Godless, for attempting to mislead people…

    We have to wait and see what Sony brings up at the E3 next year.

  42. Roca.:

    Although I paid an additional $100 for only 40GB more of RAM”

    wow, that’s a lot of RAM.

  43. phranctoast:

    LOL. yeah. Meant HDD space :)

  44. twilight:

    Phranctoast,
    I recently purchased the 500 gig Super Slim Ps3. It’s really nice having the extra hardrive space. I know a lot of people have been bashing the Super Slim Ps3 but I like it. The only thing is that I am used to having the front loading disc drive and I occassionally forget and find myself trying to load the disc from the front still.

  45. twilight:

    As far as Ps3 not being able to play Ps3 games, I will believe this when I hear the official statement directly from Sony.
    Speculation is just what it is speculation until its proven otherwise. Afterall, there are many idiotic people that have access to the internet that make all sorts of crazy speculations.

  46. ncaissie:

    I think consoles have peaked. The cost to produce the AAA games today is close to what they make from a sales. I think they next gen will be a power bump and a mistake. Someone needs to think of something new.
    My wife keeps saying we have enough consoles and I can’t buy the Wii U (whip) lol so we need something big to get me to next gen.

  47. dans:

    “Although I paid an additional $100 for only 40GB more of RAM”

    Did you download that straight off the internet? ;)

  48. CON:

    “You’re such a liar. ”

    “I don’t believe the rumors, I believe the PS4 will play PS3 games…”

    “Calm down people, Sony has not said anything about the PS4 not being able to play PS3 games.”

    Oh how oh how I would love to bitchslap Roca with these hilarious loyal fanboy comments!!!!!! but I really can’t see sony being stupid enough to remove backwards compatibility….not after the last backlash.

    A big reason I opted for xbox rather than ps3 was because of this. Without my VAST collection of ps2 games I no longer had anything that tied me in with the new console. I still find my self playing classic games like the hitman series so have to totally disagree with phranc because it does have a massive bearing for some of us.

  49. CarlB:

    “XBLG tries to earn money from no effort at all”

    …seems as though there lack of effort is paying off… at least this gen and since XBL’s inception. Whether that success lasts through next gen is yet to be seen, but they do seem to have a healthy userbase, even if it isn’t the most populated.

    As for lack of backwards compatibility, it was one of the reasons I held out on buying PS3 until the slim came out… but I did still wind up buying one, and it is so much better overall that it wound up being my console of preference over Wii and 360.

    Yes, Wii and WiiU do have “old” tech, but others would call it “proven” tech, “more reliable” tech. RRoD and to a lesser degree YLoD seemed to be more prevalent failures than anything on Wii.

    “The Japanese word for 4 is ‘shi,’ which also happens to mean death.”

    Ouch. That’s some seriously bad juju there… and considering home console sales have already begun to decline overall (even before being the longest gen), may not be far from the truth.

    In spite of all this, PS4 is the console I am looking forward to buying most of all the big three’s offerings. At present. ;)

  50. Godless:

    con
    “A big reason I opted for xbox rather than ps3 was because of this. Without my VAST collection of ps2 games I no longer had anything that tied me in with the new console. I still find my self playing classic games like the hitman series so have to totally disagree with phranc because it does have a massive bearing for some of us.”

    Carl
    “As for lack of backwards compatibility, it was one of the reasons I held out on buying PS3 until the slim came out… but I did still wind up buying one, and it is so much better overall that it wound up being my console of preference over Wii and 360.”

    These two point are the very reason I think the PS4 could struggle against the next xbox (if the rumours are true regarding BC)

    if you have a choice between buying a console that can play all your current games (and make then run better), or one that doesn’t play any of them. Then to me it’s a no brainer. You buy the one that has BC, play all your current games and can play the new games on it too, and you wait till the other has a library of games before buying it.

    Also, I find it laughable that anyone can call this gen anything other than a disaster up for Sony.
    They were No. 1, with a user base of 140,000,000 from the PS2, they came into this gen, 1 full year behind MS, with a shitty online service, and a pitiful handful of games worth owning. Add to that the 360 performed better on multiplats.

    MS totally balls up with reliability, but the service & games on offer trashed what Sony had, that’s why despite its appalling reliability, it still succeeded.

    Add to that the financial side of this whole generation and Sony have lost a huge amount of money. Yes, they now have a console well worth owning and an online service that’s comparable to what MS has,(Better if you have PSN+) but they have basically paid us to have it. That’s not how to run a business, and they won’t last long doing that next gen.

    I’ stand by what I said:
    “MS gave Sony a lesson on how to sell consoles and provide a robust online service this gen.”

  51. Godless:

    PS. .Don’t get me wrong here guys. I want the PS4 to have BC so very much. . .I just think from what I’ve read, that it’s just not going to happen.

  52. oldschool1987:

    Carl, I’d rather have next generation tech that’s leaps ahead of this gen than “proven tech”. Sony didn’t do too bad with faults this gen, if there’s any faults next gen then luckily a warranty is a simple remedy. Won’t be getting a Wii U anytime soon unless a Zelda comes out that isn’t 100% gimmicky (glares at Skyward Sword).

  53. phranctoast:

    @Dans
    “Did you download that straight off the internet?”

    Off the cloud via 56K ;)

    @CON
    “A big reason I opted for xbox rather than ps3 was because of this. Without my VAST collection of ps2 games I no longer had anything that tied me in with the new console. I still find my self playing classic games like the hitman series so have to totally disagree with phranc because it does have a massive bearing for some of us.”

    BC worked on early PS3′s and took some time to finally get all up and running on the 360. As of 2007 (last update) they had 51% of their games covered.\

    @Godless

    “Also, I find it laughable that anyone can call this gen anything other than a disaster up for Sony.”

    Sony had it’s problems. High initial price, and new hardware more difficult to program for than developers were used to. These hipcups gave MS a stronger footing despite releasing inferior hardware. The year head start also helped, which was caused because Sony had yet to finalize the BRD spec then diode shortages which turned out to delay the system a bit.

    “They were No. 1, with a user base of 140,000,000 from the PS2, they came into this gen, 1 full year behind MS, with a shitty online service, and a pitiful handful of games worth owning.”

    And they’re leaving this gen selling more consoles than the direct competitor, with better online service, and better games worth owning.

    “Add to that the financial side of this whole generation and Sony have lost a huge amount of money. Yes, they now have a console well worth owning and an online service that’s comparable to what MS has,(Better if you have PSN+) but they have basically paid us to have it. That’s not how to run a business, and they won’t last long doing that next gen.”

    You were doing good until you said they paid us to have a console worth owning?

    Do you prefer the alternative? Being charged to use your own console as a server. Being charged to use already paid for services on your console. Being chrged to use and internet browser on your console. A company who changes their focus to cater to a userbase that didn’t put them into the position they’re in now. A company who’s idea of rewarding long time users with table scraps…..

    There’s a reason you play the PS3 more than the 360, and I see future a PSN+ subscriber shortly (Surprised you don’t have it yet after the PSV/PSN+announcement)

    “I’ stand by what I said:
    “MS gave Sony a lesson on how to sell consoles and provide a robust online service this gen.””

    Then you don’t really have a leg to stand on ;)
    If you remember, Sony has been outselling the 360 since it’s inception. I can’t credit MS with teaching Sony the obvious as far as robust online service is concerned. Next you’ll think that MS invented cross game chat and team chat…lol

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfire

  54. Roca.:

    @Godless
    “but the service & games on offer trashed what Sony had”

    that was 6 years ago…now the PS3′s services and games shit on whatever the 360 offers.

    The 360 cannot keep up with the PS3 when it comes to games and MS is just ripping you guys off with its services. Here is a good example:

    Xbox Music not only requires a $9.99/mo subscription, but also requires you to be a Gold member.

    Sony’s Music Unlimited doesn’t require an additional subscrioption, but it gets better; if you’re a PSN+ member you can get a one-year subscription for just $12

    what does $60 XBLG gives you? nothing, not even a stable online network as Halo 4 was having online issues and XBL was was down few days ago.

    http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/17/3657036/xbox-live-major-service-outage

  55. Roca.:

    Phranc – “In fact, as an early adopter, I’d be extremely leery of MS with their early hardware considering it was revealed that the MS was aware of the 360?s issues prior to launch and went ahead anyway”

    this shouldn’t surpise anyone…

    “Internal Videos Show Microsoft Released Its Kin Phones Knowing They Sucked”

    http://techcrunch.com/2012/11/19/internal-videos-show-microsoft-released-its-kin-phones-knowing-they-sucked/

  56. Godless:

    Roca
    MS had private & cross game chat way . . way back in history.

    I had one of these things on my PC a very long time ago. I still have the dammed thing in my desk drawer (like I’m going to use it any time soon) ;)

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/features/2000/aug00/08-24gamevoice.aspx

    We used to play games and use this thing for windows voice commands & skype, when the best internet connection you could get was 65k

  57. phranctoast:

    I think you meant to address me godless……

    See Roger Wilco, Teamspeak, Ventrilo, and Mohawk voice.

    MS is the king of taking other peoples ideas and putting their label on it.

  58. CarlB:

    “they have basically paid us to have it.”

    Maybe in comparison to MS, but the bottom line is we still pay monthly for PSN+, and you still pay to play online if you haven’t bought the game. In other words, they still make money off of it, just not as much as MS.

    Good for business? MS lost mine and others because of this. On the other hand, they still have plenty more willing to pay extra for the same or less. I would say the charges for what XBLG offers are losing them business in the long run as long as PSN+ continues to offer more value and PSN continues to not charge extra for certain services (Netflix, internet, Youtube, etc.). The word is getting out, and PS3 continues to sell more. They are earning their customers back along with new ones. That’s good business for the long haul.

    “I’d rather have next generation tech that’s leaps ahead of this gen than ‘proven tech’.”

    As long as there are plenty of great games behind the tech, then I agree. I also don’t plan on getting WiiU, but I don’t think we represent the majority of the gaming market. Wii, and WiiU, in spite of the wiimote/tablet gimmickry is about simplicity along with Mario, Zelda, and casual games.

    There are plenty of people who will buy WiiU, and now that WiiU can finally play multiplats (at least for another year or two), it might even cross some casuals over into core gamers. I’m not saying I personally support WiiU, just that it has it’s business and it’s customer base already established even before launching. It will do fine regardless of what we think.

  59. CarlB:

    “These hipcups”

    Interesting. Are those working well for you? ;)

  60. Godless:

    @ phranc

    Do you prefer the alternative? Being charged to use your own console as a server.”

    YES! I do actually. that way I can play any game I want multiplayer, with anyone else who still wants to play it. I’m not be screwed when the Dev decides to pull the server.

    “There’s a reason you play the PS3 more than the 360, and I see future a PSN+ subscriber shortly (Surprised you don’t have it yet after the PSV/PSN+announcement)”

    Actually, Not true, my year out on PS3 to try and give it a proper chance has passed, and I’m back playing multiplayer games on the xbox.

    Though I did get a New TV Samsung 7000 series, so i’ve been playing a few of the PS3 games in 3D. .and I will admit there pretty cool, but think next gen will bring a better frame rate to the 3D games

    I’ve not really had a chance to try the PS3 with the new router as much as I would have liked, but I have too many 360 games to catch up on anyway, so no loss as far as I’m concerned.

    As for PSN+, I am tempted, but not sure if I need it, I have most of the games, and I can get Gravity rush pretty cheap now. It’s a maybe I guess.

  61. phranctoast:

    “YES! I do actually. that way I can play any game I want multiplayer, with anyone else who still wants to play it. I’m not be screwed when the Dev decides to pull the server.”

    publishers can still pull the connection server which is what you hear about more often than not and what you’re confusing with dedicated servers.

  62. Godless:

    Phranc

    for reasons like this

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-21-why-race-driver-grid-pc-ps3-mp-ended

    Most xbox games dont rely on any third party servers, though the trend is heading that way, which I don’t approve of.

  63. phranctoast:

    Is this common that a PS3 game stops support and XBL keep it going?

    Publisher pay MS 40K for a certain amount of time to host matchmaking servers. When this ends, the service ends too. It sounds like MS matchmaking contract was longer than this third parties contract.

    It’s usually a moot point with older game as they’re played online with less frequency, but it is great to have publishers support this for the lifecycle of the game. Especially considering matchmaking services are the cheapest server support their is.

    Speaking of.. UT3. still on. We need to get this going. My brothers been itching to play too.

  64. Roca.:

    “Is this common that a PS3 game stops support and XBL keep it going?”

    nope, Grid just sold better and had more active players on Xbox due to the fact that Grid came out shortly after GT5: Prologue and we all know how well GT5:P sold when it came out (better than all Forza games :P )

  65. Godless:

    Phranc

    “Speaking of.. UT3. still on. We need to get this going. My brothers been itching to play too.”

    I’m still up for it.

    I’m in UK and don’t usually get online till after 9PM some time, this gives me just a couple of hours to game before I need to go, but still keen.

    When do you guys get online?

  66. twilight:

    Godless,
    There’s notging like a Sanmy.
    I just watched The 3d version of The Titanic. It was freaking awesome.

  67. twilight:

    ***nothing***

  68. phranctoast:

    That’s not too bad. That comes to 4PM EST, but I wouldn’t make it on until at least 5PM EST on normal days due to work and that’s right when I get home.

    If you’re still playing at 10:30PM GMT just message me.

    Need to test those UT3 servers ;)

  69. Godless:

    Will do.

    but I’m not going to hold my breath regarding the servers

    http://forums.epicgames.com/threads/886069-Where-did-all-the-PS3-servers-go

    I wonder if it will still play online with the xbox :D

  70. phranctoast:

    Sounds like they’re talking about official dedicated servers and not matchmaking.

    I’ll host one with the password “blorge” minus the quotes..

  71. oldschool1987:

    “I wonder if it will still play online with the xbox”

    That’s funny because when I signed up for Gold all I’ve had is problems. From being unable to log on with Halo 4 and constantly kicked out of matches because the host left the match because he was losing. I’ve had a smoother experience on PSN. The two weeks I spent with Live didn’t impress me at all, I won’t even bother using my last two weeks and definitely won’t renew it.

  72. Godless:

    Oldie

    When a host leaves a game, LIVE automatically reassigns a new host, this happens almost seamlessly on every game I’ve ever played??

    Not sure why this doesn’t happen on Halo 4.

    Anyone who’s interested, Live has a November sale on, with a load of really good discounts.
    Just got Portal 2 for £11.99 and a couple of DLCs for games for 120 MS points that were 400 points before

    Lost of other games at 50% off too, well worth a look

  73. CarlB:

    From what I understand, the servers are built for the average amount of users throughout the life of the title, not surges in the first few weeks after launch.

    Halo 4 seems to have done quite well.
    So much for the theory that the series would die after the loss of Bungie.

  74. oldschool1987:

    It’s definitely not seemless, Godless. There’s a good 30 seconds per migration which really takes me out of the game it happens too many times during a single match.

    “Lost of other games at 50% off too, well worth a look”

    Plus has lots of other games at 100% off lol ;)

    Anyway I’m knocking Live but as for the campaign of Halo 4? Fucking amazing.

  75. dans:

    Sony Credit Downgraded to ‘Junk’

    “Major credit rating agency Fitch has downgraded Sony’s rating to ‘junk’, along with Panasonic. It has moved its rating from BBB- to BB- and maintained its Outlooks as Negative. (Bonds rated below BBB-/Baa are colloquially known as junk bonds. They are at a higher risking of defaulting and other averse credit events.) This decision strips both companies of an ‘investment-grade’ rating.

    The decision wasn’t taken lightly, according to Matt Jamieson, Head of corporate research at Fitch, who said, “This wasn’t an easy decision. But their reputations have been hit so much that it’ll take a long while to crawl back.”

    The downgrading reflects Fitch’s belief that Sony’s recovery will be slow, “given the company’s loss of technology leadership in key products, high competition, weak economic conditions in developed markets and the strong yen.” But it also believes that Sony’s growing weakness in the home entertainment and mobile product arenas could be offset by its “relatively stable” music and pictures divisions.

    The agency predicts that Sony’s operating margins for FYE13 and FYE14 will be negative or minimal, and that the future of the company in FYE15 will ultimately depend on “the success of its turnaround plan”.

    Back in April of this year, Sony appointed Kaz Hirai as its new CEO, who has since initiated cost-cutting measures and redundancies in an effort to turnaround the company’s fortunes.

    Fitch acknowledges that the company has so far taken the right measures to combat its recent decline, but there could still be a risk in how they are executed, as well as sustained competition from the likes of Samsung and Apple across almost all of Sony’s key products. This could delay or derail the recovery.

    “I don’t think the banks will push either of these companies [Panasonic was also downgraded] to the wall,” Damian Thong, an equity analyst at Macquarie Securities in Tokyo, told the Financial Times. “But they do need to convince people that tough restructuring moves will be done in good time, while minimising unnecessary damage to healthy businesses.”

    http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/11/22/sony-credit-downgraded-to-junk

  76. Godless:

    Here’s hoping this is a really good last Quarter for Sony.

    It would be sad to see them loose the ability to push their next generation of products forward as much as possible.

    If I were head of MS gaming division right now, I would see this as an opportunity to push the boat out on the specs for next gen console, even if it meant having a minimal profit.

    It would but MS in a very dominant position if they were able to out spec the competition by a meaningful margin, and would put them in a strong position to take the lead for the next generation.

    Sony can clearly not afford to take the same losses next gen, as it has this gen.

  77. CarlB:

    Sounds like a great time to buy stock in Sony and Panasonic. Personally, I like my Panasonic Viera and stereo receiver along with my Sony Cyber-shot, PS3, Vita, and, yes, even my Walkman on occasion. The thing is, these are built to last… unlike some other branded products I’ve come across in the past… (Apple, Toshiba, MS)

  78. phranctoast:

    Buy low. Lol.

  79. Godless:

    I’ll pass on that investment tip Carl. At least Until I see if they start heading uphill anyways.

    And as for Sony products being built to last. Most have a fail rate no better than the average (Google it). Even the Sony Vita, which looks to have very high build quality, is sitting at around 10% fail rate just now. I only have 12 buddies with vitas, and two have had to send them back, one due to it locking up while it’s being charged, the other just would not come back on after it crashed and was reset.

    And before the PS3bots dive in with the 360 fail rates. . yes! we ALL know how bad it was, and the politics behind it all, but the fact is that it’s now comparable to the PS3

    Wii fail rates look good on paper, but they need to be taken with a pinch of salt, because most of them never get switched on for more than a couple of hours a month.

  80. CarlB:

    “At least Until I see if they start heading uphill anyways.”

    Yes, that’s when everybody starts buying also, after the stock has already risen considerably lol.

    “Most have a fail rate no better than the average”

    Not interested in most, just the ones I own (Google it). As for handhelds, there are only two real choices, and I’m fine with mine.

    “the fact is that it’s now comparable to the PS3″

    I’d rather MS had gotten it right the first time instead of just being “comparable” after multiple failed attempts.

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