Rumor: Sony ditches DualShock 3 on the PS4

January 19, 2013

Rumor: Sony ditches DualShock 3 on the PS4According to multiple sources, the PlayStation 4 will come with a new controller design. The current DualShock design has become synonymous with the PlayStation brand over these past sixteen-years. Reports indicate that the new controller may include high tech features such as biometric sensors.

As reported by CVG, a source close to the matter has revealed the controller for the PS4 will have a LCD touchscreen along with the biometric sensor. Eurogamer’s source has also indicated as much except that the design for the PS4 controller has changed almost every month.

Rumors also point to being able to utilize the PS Vita as an optional controller along with the PS4 controller. The Dualshock is said to still be compatible with the PS4 much like the PS2 DS2 controller can work with the PS3 with an adapter.

The DualShock design has been around since 1997, and even won am Emmy Award for “Peripheral Development and Technological Impact of Video Game Controllers” by the National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences.

According to the rumors, Sony is supposedly set to announce the PS4 in a matter of weeks. I suppose it does makes more sense for an announcement at E3 or GDC.

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62 Responses to “Rumor: Sony ditches DualShock 3 on the PS4”

  1. phranctoast:

    No Sony. Please no LCD screen on the controller. This is a stupid idea and only drives up the cost with little benefit.

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-01-15-will-digital-keep-nintendo-in-hardware

  2. Roca.:

    Wow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipHdrdxH6jc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  3. MAK:

    If they got rid of the dual shock, I’m going to march right up to Sony and rip their balls off.

    I can understand if they made subtle improvements, but damn, if something isn’t broken, don’t try to fix it.
    Just because people bitch about the controller having the same look for so long, doesn’t mean you have to change the performance.

    It’s just like people complaining about the iPhone being too similar.
    The iPhone is literally at it’s peak as far as design goes, you can’t make it any better/simple.
    And same goes for the Dualshock, it’s the best design you can get.

    If Playstation changes the controller, than I want to see Xbox do it too. And they won’t be able to, it’s not possible.

  4. MAK:

    @Roca

    I guarantee that was a setup.
    Everyone’s trying to draw more attention to guns to ban them.
    I even noticed it on tonight’s news. There was literally an hour worth of non stop gun-related stories. They never pay attention to the killings in Cleveland. They happen all the time, but since everyone is so hyped up about gun laws, I guarantee that’s why they did that. It’s pathetic.

    that video was just as cheesy as the scene from the Dark Knight were the guy tries to shoot Harvey Dent in court with a faulty pistol.

  5. Roca.:

    I agree with MAK and Phranc, the dualshock doesn’t need to be replaced…

  6. Zoar:

    @Roca what, the, hell….

    that video had nothing to do with sony

  7. phranctoast:

    That was either roca threatening Sony if they change the dual shock controller or roca kicking Sonys ass when they do ;) .

    Totally related. Lol.

  8. dans:

    Let’s not judge it before we actually know what it is/how it actualy performs.

    “I can understand if they made subtle improvements, but damn, if something isn’t broken, don’t try to fix it.
    Just because people bitch about the controller having the same look for so long, doesn’t mean you have to change the performance.”

    Way to try and advance technology, Mak.

  9. twilight:

    The Ps3 dualshock is an absolute perfect controller. It does not need to be touched in any way.

  10. Roca.:

    LMAO @ Phranc

    You’re right about the video ;)

    @dans
    “Way to try and advance technology, Mak”

    see Phranc’s first post

  11. MAK:

    @Dans

    This is totally different. Its a controller, an extension of the console and to the software that the console runs.

    Until we permently change the way we play video games on consoles, theres no need to change the current controller template that it uses.
    Because as far as everyone knows, games are going to continue to use the current template for years to come.

    And like I said, both MS and Sony will both have to change their controllers due to game ports.
    Im fine with subtle improvements of hardware that currently exists, but strongly disagree with adding hardware that will make or break the controller.

  12. CON:

    Fantastic move by sony if true. I’m not so sure about the lcd screen but the shape has been an issue for many. A lot of sonys fanbase has been there from the start with the ps1. The controller should reflect that. The core userbase are not children anymore, so why have a child sized controller?

  13. CON:

    When I say many, I’m referring to xbots but let’s face it sony have to take notice of their criticisms if they want to win them back again.

  14. dans:

    “I’m not so sure about the lcd screen but the shape has been an issue for many.”

    That’s what my thoughts reflect too.

    “Im fine with subtle improvements of hardware that currently exists, but strongly disagree with adding hardware that will make or break the controller.”

    Well if it is a ‘break’, you’ll still be able to use the current controller so what’s the problem?

    I agree with phranc that the whole LCD thing isn’t the best option and would drive up costs. But other changes whether minor or major can’t be that bad, can it?

  15. dans:

    http://i.imgur.com/WGFdtbx.jpg

  16. oldschool1987:

    ” if they want to win them back again”

    They already did:

    http://gamer.blorge.com/2013/01/11/idc-ps3-sales-surpass-xbox-360-worldwide-in-december-2012/

  17. CON:

    Xbox took nearly half the userbase douche.

  18. MAK:

    @CON

    “The core userbase are not children anymore, so why have a child sized controller?”

    Who doesn’t have a child sized controller? The Xbox controller is fucking small in my hands too, except the controller is a piece of shit compared to the dual shock.

    The dualshock size is fine. When I have a controller, I want my hands to be in control of the control, I don’t want my controller in control of my hands.
    However, I must admit, the Vita is a little too small in terms of the Rear Touch Pad. Since the sides and back grips are so small, my fingers always end up touching the rear touch pad. And it gets so annoying when I’m on LBP Vita.

    @Dans

    “Well if it is a ‘break’, you’ll still be able to use the current controller so what’s the problem?”

    The problem is that you’re dwelling into a whole different debate.
    If its a break, it’s still bad reception on sonys/playstations part.
    If the past controller are compatible, then they must not be majorly changing the controller. My guess is that they will change the way the controller feels, and if you don’t like it, you have the option to go back to the dual shock 3.
    They won’t add a god damn screen because that’s why they have the vita. It would make the vita even more left out and pointless if they were to add a screen.
    If they add a screen, it will probably be a screen for adding simple interface integration and more button commands, not a game changing peripheral.

    I just don’t want them to drastically change the one controller that doesn’t need changing. But I still support improvements overtime for the sake of convenience and innovation.

  19. oldschool1987:

    “Xbox took nearly half the userbase douche”

    Sony took it back, douch lol.

    Name calling? Silly kid.

  20. Andrew_DS:

    Good move by sony. Never liked the original ps1 controller. Seemed a little too small and awkward to use.

    Does anybody sit with their fingers resting on both the top and bottom shoulder buttons. Even with the Xbox controller (and the GameCube one before) I find it not natural to sit with my fingers on the triggers AND shoulder buttons. My index finger sits on the triggers but my middle finger is used to grip the controller.

    Personally I would like to see a new controller design that re-positions the buttons to be more accessible, without having to get wankers cramp!

  21. dans:

    “I find it not natural to sit with my fingers on the triggers AND shoulder buttons. My index finger sits on the triggers but my middle finger is used to grip the controller.”

    Same here. That’s why I didn’t like the slight change to the PS controller that made R2 and L2 into proper triggers. It makes it harder to reach with your fingers, for me. Though it does allow for better control.

  22. phranctoast:

    The only change I would make is putting the left analog where the dpad is like on the 360. I wouldn’t mess with the shoulder/triggers. I prefer the ps3 setup rather than the 360 one for that. The size is fine. Let a third-party create different sized controllers for the few people concerned with the size and don’t mess with the base controller.

  23. CON:

    “Sony took it back, douch lol.”

    PS3 have a 130 million userbase? I stand corrected :)

  24. phranctoast:

    The ps3′s generation isn’t over yet.

  25. oldschool1987:

    Are you saying the 360 has sold 130 million units?

  26. MAK:

    @AndrewDS

    I also rest my middle fingers on the bottom of the controller.
    However, I’ve grown to prefer that. Since the L2 and R2 are less frequently used buttons, it’s perfect. If I have my middle fingers resting on the L2 and R2, there’s a chance I might press on them accidentally. Those buttons are usually grenades in a shooter, or special power uses in games such as God of War. They are buttons you don’t want to accidentally press. My index fingers can handle all four buttons, and I can easily change the positions of my middle fingers.

    @phranc

    “The only change I would make is putting the left analog where the dpad is like on the 360.”

    I can’t believe I would actually hear that from you. If you like it, that’s fine, but It’s a dumb idea,

    Even Microsoft knows its stupid to witch the joystick and DPad. They just had no choice but to switch them. People only support it from the years of fanboyism.

    Symmetry is essential when designing something meant to be ergonomical. And the Xbox controller breaks that rule, making it a bad controller design.

  27. phranctoast:

    http://thechive.com/2013/01/19/video-game-logic-plays-by-its-own-rules-44-photos/

  28. Roca.:

    http://ign.com/articles/2013/01/21/ps4-sony-will-let-microsoft-make-first-move

  29. MAK:

    I had another interesting thought in my head:
    Notice how the DualShock is called that due to the 2 vibrators inside it.
    Notice how the 3rd Playstation had the 3rd Dualshock.

    Since we are going to have the PS4, we might simply have the DualShock 4 OR a new controller name:
    (Amount)Shock ex- Dual, Quad, etc OR something entirely different.

    @phanc

    some of those pictures had me in tears. Especially the GTAIV one! haha

  30. greenLanternfan:

    If Sony waits for M$ to launch their new consoles first, hopefully they won’t take more than 12 months after 720′s release.

  31. CarlB:

    Nice link phranc… 43 took the cake.

  32. CarlB:

    Read that article earlier roca… “Hirai said, ‘Why go first, when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better?’” …they did let 360 go first and come up with something better… it worked for them with PS3, but the timetable might be a bit shorter for them this time around.

  33. phranctoast:

    The only difference I can see them waiting for and easily upgrading is RAM and rumors have Durango spec’d higher as of now.

    @carlb/Mak.

    7,9,21, and 44 were my favorites.

    The chive is a great site. The app crashes a lot, but when it works it’s good for a few laughs.

    http://thechive.com/2013/01/17/china-isnt-even-trying-anymore-21-photos/

  34. phranctoast:

    “they did let 360 go first and come up with something better… it worked for them with PS3, but the timetable might be a bit shorter for them this time around.”

    I don’t know if they really ‘let’ MS come out first so to speak. The cell was completed first, the GPU was standard. Sony was stuck waiting on Blu Ray specs being finalized, and then the Blu Ray diode being in short supply, which is why they staggered the releases in all the territories.

    I think they should make their best effort to not give MS too much of a release lead.

    As far as online gaming goes, people seem to be drawn to console their real life friends get. The longer a console is out the harder it is to get people to switch.

    Luckily for Sony, the 360 hardware was a complete failure, or I’d doubt they’d even be this close now.

  35. CarlB:

    By “let” I mean 360 did in fact come out a year earlier, regardless. A year later almost all the significant tech in PS3 (including blu-ray components which existed up to three years prior) was much less expensive, letting them scrape by with superior tech specs and a price point pushing the limits of mainstream market consumer tolerance.

    Either Hirai believes in the strategy of the quote and that’s what they did (at least in some part), or he’s just saying it as an excuse to cover up some other reason why they are not announcing first.

    In the end, I highly doubt they made “zero” adjustments (based off of 360) to PS3 after 360 was launched a year earlier. I’m not talking about tech specs alone. Even if they did have to wait for BR specs to be “finalized”, it’s doubtful they would have squandered that time and totally ignored 360, living in their own vacuum.

    We already know they have changed certain aspects of the PS3 based off of 360 this gen, I see no reason why they wouldn’t have done the same earlier on given around a year to prepare and adjust. Even if they were only “fine tune” adjustments, they were adjustments all the same. I don’t think he would publicly state something like this if he thought there was no value in such a strategy.

    Either way, Sony has yet to turn a profit, and they are probably walking on pins and needles. It would be wise of them not to stride in as arrogantly as they did this gen.

    Sony has already lost the dominance they had with PS2, dropped in value from $100B in 2000 to ~$12B today, are struggling even more with the Vita than they did with the PSP, and are now about to enter a generation of what might well be diminishing returns from “superior” tech specs in home consoles.

    PS3 is currently a bright spot, but any reprieve it brings this year maybe short lived if they launch yet another console with a price point too high, yet which they still take a loss on. Profits from PS3 can bear a portion of this load, but to what degree, and for how long?

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/18/sony-expected-to-turn-first-profit-since-2008

  36. CarlB:

    Joy. We get Foosball with our PSN Plus subscription today. I hope PS4 is worth it.

  37. phranctoast:

    My point being, that Sony couldn’t release the PS3 at the same time as the 360, even if they wanted to unless they were going to not include BRD.

    BRD spec wasn’t complete until June 2006, and there were production issues right after that.

    We know they didn’t make zero adjustments. They removed an HDMI port for one, and that’s off the top of my head.

    One thing I’ve learned from keeping up with VG news, is to take what these execs say with a grain of salt.

    Vita needs a price cut before it becomes irrelevant to game developers. That should help a little bit, and of course they need a better TV strategy. Competitive pricing should help, and stop the arrogance of believing they’re in a different tier than Samsung because of their past in quality.

  38. phranctoast:

    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/387584/vita-is-japans-most-desired-console-famitsu-survey-suggests/

    “PS Vita is the most desired console to buy in 2013, according to a new survey of core game enthusiasts in Japan.

    The questionnaire, conducted and published by Famitsu, found that 64 per cent of respondents said they were looking to purchase a Vita in 2013. Just behind was Nintendo’s rival handheld, 3DS, which was desired by 48 per cent of readers.”

    “However, the methodology and finer details of the Famitsu survey are not known. Vita has one of the smallest installed bases in Japan, which may have skewed the results due to more respondents not owning the system yet.”

    “PS Vita – 64%
    3DS – 48%
    Wii U – 34%
    PS3 – 25%
    PC – 14%
    Xbox 360 – 11%
    Smartphone – 10%
    PSP – 10%
    Wii – 9%
    iPad – 7%
    DSi / DSiXL – 5%
    iPhone – 5%
    iPod Touch – 4%
    Other – 2%”

  39. Roca.:

    I’m pretty sure Kaz Hirai said they will let MS make the “announcement” first due to the fact that Sony’s E3 conference is always after the Microsoft’s. That doesn’t meant the X720 will actually “launch” before the PS4.

    Same thing happened with the Move and Kinect. Kinect was announced first but the Move was release a month before Kinect.

  40. phranctoast:

    It couldn’t have anything to do with the corporate espionage Microsoft committed prior to this generation.. /sarcasm

  41. phranctoast:

    “Joy. We get Foosball with our PSN Plus subscription today. I hope PS4 is worth it.”

    Dead Space 3 and MGSR demos out today.

  42. CarlB:

    @phranc,

    I get what you are saying about BRD and I’m not arguing it. As you stated, adjustments were made in that year time frame based upon 360, and we are probably not privy to all that were made. I also think it’s wise that Sony doesn’t tip it’s hat first this time either, while learning and adjusting appropriately to everything they can from the competitor they didn’t seem to take seriously at all at the beginning of this gen. Wait and see.

    As for the Vita “most desired” survey, yeah… heh, I’d say it is a bit “skewed”, considering it was “core game enthusiasts in Japan” who didn’t own one yet. “Desiring” and actually buying are worlds apart. My guess is the percentages who don’t have a smartphone, tablet, or PS3 will act on those impulses first, then it’s a toss up between 3DS and Vita… and for the most part, in Japan at least, that would probably mean 3DS first, Vita later.

    Demos? Have fun. I’m sure it appeals to some subscribers, but at this point, it’s not my cup of tea as I’m too busy playing games that have already released. Still much more value than Gold, I’d just like to see it keep the momentum it had up until the end of last year instead of losing it. Perhaps they can no longer afford that pace of releases, which is understandable.

  43. phranctoast:

    Did anyone catch the Following last night?

    I think the show has some potential. Encore showing on Friday.

  44. Roca.:

    I prefer to watch TV shows when all the episodes are available. I hate waiting a week to watch the next episode.

  45. ncaissie:

    “It’s just like people complaining about the iPhone being too similar.
    The iPhone is literally at it’s peak as far as design goes, you can’t make it any better/simple.
    And same goes for the Dualshock, it’s the best design you can get.”
    Imagine if everyone thought this way? LMAO we would still be in caves with rocks.

  46. phranctoast:

    I think the basic layout of the Dualshock doesn’t really need to change. Biometrics? Seriously?

    Even my idea of switching the left analog with the Dpad can be done via a third party, and I certainly didn’t care enough to buy one so……

  47. MAK:

    @Ncassie

    Make a blueprint of a more simplified, yet improved iPhone design and send it to me.
    Thanks.
    There aren’t an infinite number of shapes out there, if you haven’t noticed. And the humans hand seems like it may have the same structure for quite awhile I’m sure.

    I’m an actual designer, I think I know what I’m saying. I draw all the time, redesigning current designs for fun. A design such as the iPhone is really hard to redesign. The only practical one I came up with was an iMac-iPhone. And I bet they will do something like that next.

    As far as the Dualshock goes, the structure of the controller is as good as it gets, but the shape has more flexibility for redesigning.

  48. Godless:

    Best news I’ve heard from Sony in a while.

    Current Sony controller is an ergonomic abortion.
    15 years ago it was fine, but it is just not comfortable to hold.

    3rd party controllers have the comfort ie.(xbox style) but totally lack the quality of the hardware that the Sony controller has. Will be good to See Sony fix this.

  49. phranctoast:

    I think Sony should construct their new controllers out of rubber. So when I get really pissed off and throw it at the wall, it just bounces back to me ;)

  50. phranctoast:

    “Best RUMOR I’ve heard from Sony in a while.”

    corrected :)

    The latest from Kotaku (which sounds the most legit so far) has the controller layout remaining unchanged with adding touch sensors in the rear (like PSV) and better motion detection.

    I’ll post the whole thing near Rocas link.

  51. phranctoast:

    @godless
    and third party peripherals. Just a FYI. I saw the news and figured it was topical.

    “http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/23/3909934/logitech-q3-results-harmony

    Logitech has posted its financial results for Q3 of its 2013 fiscal year, and they’re not too encouraging: the company made an operating loss of $180 million off sales of $615 million. Retail sales were down 14 percent year on year, and CEO Bracken Darrell has announced plans to take “decisive action” on the “unacceptable” results. And he’s not kidding – the company has “initiated the process” to divest itself of its Harmony remote control division, along with its security video camera business.

    By the end of this year, Logitech also plans to have discontinued “non-strategic products” including video game console peripherals and speaker docks. Darrell says the strategy is for the company to focus on PC-related products and maximize profitability. The news isn’t entirely bad, though, with Darrell buoyed by “continued strong demand” for the Ultrathin Keyboard Cover for iPad. “

  52. CON:

    “Are you saying the 360 has sold 130 million units?”

    No, clearly simple maths is beyond you. ps2 had around 130m userbase and the 360 almost halved that this gen.

  53. phranctoast:

    Actually at this time in the PS2′s lifecycle it only had around 110M, so the 360 halved that almost 1-1/2+- years ago.

    Now the PS2 had 150M+ sold. Technically speaking the 360 halved the total userbase this past December (76M).

    I don’t look at this at a fault of the PS3, rather than a positive of the PS2. No console has gone on to sell that many.

  54. CarlB:

    So the PS3 is at 72M compared to 110M of the PS2 at the same point in it’s lifecycle?

    A 35%(38M) decrease in sales for Sony generation over generation?

    Wow.

    One could just say it’s because the PS2 is so great, but from a longer term perspective, PS1 didn’t do all that shabby either. So, the question is, has PS3/PS2 done better than PS2/PS1 at the same point in the cycle?

    I don’t think so, but would be interested to see any figures you can come up with to reflect otherwise.

  55. phranctoast:

    “So the PS3 is at 72M compared to 110M of the PS2 at the same point in it’s lifecycle? ”

    Actually… 77M :)

    “One could just say it’s because the PS2 is so great, but from a longer term perspective, PS1 didn’t do all that shabby either. So, the question is, has PS3/PS2 done better than PS2/PS1 at the same point in the cycle?”

    At the same time in the PS1′s time frame (6 years) the PS1 had sold 88M. So approx 10M more.

    The PS1 ended with 102M, and it’s my belief that the PS3 will end with more.

    Without a doubt, the initial high price of the PS3 really hurt it in comparison to it’s predecessors and allowed the 360 to get a firm foothold this gen.

    MS posted their second quarter fiscals

    “http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509843″

    75.9M total with Oct-Dec selling 5.9M

  56. CarlB:

    “Actually… 77M”

    Very well… A 30% (33M) decrease in sales for Sony generation over generation?

    Wow. :D

    “At the same time in the PS1?s time frame (6 years) the PS1 had sold 88M. So approx 10M more.”

    Geez. PS3 can’t even beat PS1′s sales, let alone PS2′s.

    The XBox couldn’t even survive last gen, now the 360 is still going neck and neck with PS3 over seven years after 360′s release.

  57. phranctoast:

    “Geez. PS3 can’t even beat PS1?s sales, let alone PS2?s. ”

    Yeah. seems that way. It’s not really apples to apples comparison atm though.

    Neither PS1 or the PS2 were released anywhere close to the price points of the PS3 SKU’s.

    Competition is a lot stiffer this time around. Sega and Nintendo then had their problems. The Saturn being a bitch to program for and not locking up third parties. Nintendo was expensive to release games on, as they still had cartridges. Neither of those consoles even sold half of what the PS3 is currently at…

    This time around, it’s a lot more competitive.
    Nintendo went the cheaper to produce lower powered with a gimmick console to capture the casuals audience for a big initial boost that we’ve watched lose steam and fizzle out as the console has no legs.

    Microsoft released a full year earlier which allowed them to create an 8.7M userbase and have COD2 exclusive. People tend to want to play online games with their friends really helping the console that gets out first. On top of that, MS did very well locking up some third party exclusives and buying their way too success. :D

    I CAN give them more props, but that’s really better left to godless ;)

  58. CarlB:

    “This time around, it’s a lot more competitive.”

    And it’s only going to be more so next gen.
    MAYBE Sony can actually turn a profit one of these years, because if they don’t, Microsoft might just buy them out too. ;)

  59. oldschool1987:

    “No, clearly simple maths is beyond you. ps2 had around 130m userbase and the 360 almost halved that this gen”

    So Sony haven’t took the user base back now that PS3 has outsold the 360? They did take around half the user base, Sony took it right back off then. Come on kid, use your brain.

  60. CarlB:

    I think he’s looking at it from a viewpoint of two generations, not just this one. Whereas XBox wasn’t even being sold at this point last gen and PS2 essentially had the market to itself… and now 360/PS3 have basically divided the scraps left over from Wii’s wake. PS3 may well continue to outsell 360 for the rest of this generation, but at this pace even a best case scenario for it seems to point to MS still having taken at least a third to a quarter of the userbase Sony had last gen, while it’s about half now.

  61. oldschool1987:

    Doubt it Carl, he’s trolling. You know as well as anyone what he’s like lol.

  62. CarlB:

    Without a doubt he’s trying to insult you… I don’t like that kind of attitude and try to avoid it as a best practice. That said, I’m ignoring the nonsense and looking beyond it to whatever truth remains, and there is some. That truth is what I truly like to discuss. I know we don’t always agree, but at least we can discuss this stuff in a civil manner. I’ll disagree with you, but know that I still respect you.

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