Xbox 720 to block used game with always online connection, Blu-ray adopted

February 6, 2013

Xbox 720 to block used game with always online connection, blu-ray adopted With rumors of next gen consoles spewing out from the Internet, its all become quite mind numbing at this point. However, one online publication claims that developers working on the next Xbox console have revealed the goods on the Xbox 720.

According to Edge, several sources with first hand knowledge have confided in the publication that the next Xbox console will be wholly committed to online functionality. Apparently, the console will have to be connected to the Internet at all times to play the games. Games will still be available over discs but will ship with an activation code that authenticates via online similarly to PC games.

Such a move can only mean that Microsoft may be onboard to blocking used games sales via DRM countermeasures.

The Xbox 720 will also sport a Blu-ray drive capable of reading 50GB discs, possibly conceding to Sony as Microsoft backed HD-DVD earlier on in its lifecycle. At that time Microsoft indicated that the company would not adopt Blu-ray as it felt that the next step would be digital distribution.

Edge’s sources have also confirmed initial rumors that the Xbox 720 will house an AMD eight-core x64 1.6GHz processor, D3D11.x 800MHz graphics chip and 8GB of DDR3 RAM. The console will also come with a next gen Kinect camera.

Several development sources have confirmed that Sony’s PS4 is more powerful due to the lower overhead of the OS, and open nature of the hardware while Microsoft is apparently forcing devs to use approved development libraries only.

With the source being developers with the hardware in hand, it does lend a small nugget of credence to these claims.  However, its difficult to believe that Microsoft would lock out used video game sales on its next gen console. As I mentioned previously, thinking that the manufacturers would block used games on its consoles is silly. Doing so would give its competition significant advantage unless Sony was also planning on doing the same thing.

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84 Responses to “Xbox 720 to block used game with always online connection, Blu-ray adopted”

  1. Godless:

    The rumour mill wheels are in overdrive at right now.

    I’ve seen loads of specs & processor/GPU guesses flying around, and to be honest I’m not going to go with any of them till Sony & MS tell us what they are.

    The blocking of used games is something I can see both MS & Sony doing to some extent.
    The game publishers more than Sony & MS probably want this to happen, after all, as it stands right now they have F all to gain from the sale of a second hand game, except maybe the occasional sale of an online pass.

    I can easy see games being just a demo version until you validate the purchase in some way, and I’m actually ok with that.

    I would say though, if MS do it & Sony don’t, it could be something that affects the choice of console people will buy.

  2. MAK:

    I wonder if they will block used games, but still allow them as long as you pay a fee.

    Lets say you put a used game in the system, then it will require you to pay an activation fee. It’s like the online pass concept on steroids.

    For every New game, they become Used games. You can’t stop that. It’s just a matter of making a business out of used games.

    I think SONY night be less aggressive on this than MS. After all, MS is the one who forces you to pay to play online or to access other apps, while SONY is free and gives you free games with Plus.

    I don’t care what MS does, I’m fine as long as Sony tops them. I don’t mean that in a bad way either.

  3. Roca.:

    “At that time Microsoft indicated that the company would not adopt Blu-ray as it felt that the next step would be digital distribution”

    LOL oh how wrong was MS!

    @Godless
    “I’ve seen loads of specs & processor/GPU guesses flying around, and to be honest I’m not going to go with any of them till Sony & MS tell us what they are”

    The specs leaks have been the same for months now. Everyone listing the same specs and agreeing that the PS4 will be a more powerful console with a faster RAM and better GPU

  4. Godless:

    Roca
    “LOL oh how wrong was MS!”

    Not as wrong as you might think Roca

    There are rumours that the next xbox will come in two flavours. One SKU without the bluray and a larger 1 terabyte drive to support a digital download only philosophy.

    As for the specs, They mean very little at this stage, the 720 is again rumoured to be using super fast edram to support GPU post processing render.
    Figures for now put the bandwidth for this memory alone at over 100GB p/s

    Now I know you’re not really up to speed with what this means for the traffic on the primary data-buses, and the load on the other components etc, but lets just say, it’s potentially 100GB p/s that it will have for free toward graphical processing, with zero impact on any of the other data-buses.
    The nextbox is also rumoured to have several unique hardware accelerators, which again take load off the primary processor and data-buses.

    There’s a lot of fanboy talk of 1.8TF p/s Vs 1.2TF p/s which means Jack squat when there is no context to it.
    Don’t be fooled into thinking MS does not want to have the best gaming platform out there. Already they may have forced Sony to up the Ram on the PS4 to 8GB. We have no idea what other goodies the 720 may have under its bonnet.

  5. Roca.:

    @Godless
    “There are rumours that the next xbox will come in two flavours. One SKU without the bluray and a larger 1 terabyte drive to support a digital download only philosophy.”

    You just made that up just so you can defend Microsoft… You’re such a loyal fanboy. Microsoft was wrong and now they can’t anything but eat their words and embrace bluray (MS didn’t care about its users, depriving them from enjoying HD content via the standard physical format)

    Many devs (with hands on experience) and sites are saying the PS4 will be at least 50% more powerful than the next Xbox….what makes you think they are all wrong? Where are your sources? Do you have dev kit? Godless do yourself a favor stop making up biased assumptions.

    @Godless
    “We have no idea what other goodies the 720 may have under its bonnet”

    And what makes you think the PS4 will not have even more impressive “goodies under its bonnet”….such a fanboy, for now I’d take the words of professional developers and gaming sites and ignore your fanboy rant with no basis.

  6. Godless:

    Yup. . just the response I thought I’d get from you Roca.

    Show me a site where the teraflop calcs are not just pulled straight from multiplying clock speeds by the memory bandwidths.

    These figures Are only a small part of the overall gaming power of any console.

    As for MS skipping the Blu ray last gen. . .7 years ago it was too costly & irrelevant to gaming. . Simples

    “And what makes you think the PS4 will not have even more impressive “goodies under its bonnet”

    Nothing at all, Indeed I do hope they have some.

  7. phranctoast:

    A post I sent out titled, What does Sony and the PS4 have to do to win back NA from MS. Some of them are ideas for that, and some of them are just good ideas.

    -Cross game chat and party chat.
    -Standardized clan system.
    -Making sure they don’t give MS a year head start to get a solid fanbase.
    -Locking some exclusive content for popular FPS’s such as the COD franchise or BF.
    -Having backward compatibility from the start, even if it’s just optional.
    -Releasing two SKU’s. One Digital only, the other with physical media.
    -Maintaining the current quality of PS+, and advertising it.
    -Don’t release the console at $600. $400 is tolerable. Also release with a subsidized payment option which includes PS+ like MS did with XBLG, only Sony’s actually hold true value.
    -Release two types of controllers. One original Dual Shock layout. Another with Dpad and Analog switched with 360 type layout. There’s a lot of people that prefer this layout. Don’t make the controller a factor in someone not purchasing your system. Also gives more options to sell hardware (controllers) before a third party jumps on it.
    -Headsets in each purchase… Not sure. On one hand it’s something less you can sell, on the other, it helps establish a better feeling of community. I’ve always preferred to keep the headset away from a-hats and keep it in the hands of people serious about playing online.
    -Lock in some new exclusive content early on. Agent could be the answer to this.
    -Have Planetside 2 a launch game.
    -Create a digital rental system so as to directly compete with third party systems like Gamefly. In fact, work with MS, and Nintendo to establish a deal like what happens with Netfix where Gamefly doesn’t see new games until a month in allowing digital game sales to sour for early adopters while making premium on games you create.
    -Don’t eliminate second hand sales but figure a way to make your product more desirable with incentives. Ect. Buy new and get the first map pack, other DLC for free, but then don’t release that until a month after game releases prompting people to keep their games out of second hand stores until they get the free DLC coming their way.
    -All first party games come with a month voucher for PS+ that “add on” to your current sub if you have one.
    -Have an exclusive IP that is tailored to 12 year olds. I hate to say it, but get them, you get NA, as they’re the ones going to be getting a high percentage of games for the following 8 years.
    -Try and produce another very popular/great sports franchise like MLB The show. NBA sounds good. Being made by two teams and not one like they did before.

  8. phranctoast:

    Sony fiscal 3rd quarter results.

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=512076

  9. phranctoast:

    If MS blocks used games, Some retailers will not carry it. Can you really seeing Gamestop carrying it, when they can’t resell it’s games?

    I’ll file this under rumor for now. I can’t believe MS would be this stupid.

    I could add that to my bullet-points above.

    -Do nothing. Let MS fuck things up themsleves by trying to kill off peoples right to see their physical media…..

  10. phranctoast:

    “I don’t think there will be an Always on requirement for the xbox. This could reduce the userbase too much.”

    Agreed. There’s areas that don’t have the infrastructure to support this yet.

    “I can’t remember the numbers but I think there are something like 20 million xboxes sold that have never been connected to the internet.”

    They’re shooting themselves in the foot if they go this route.

    “While it is possible that MS thinks these are the consoles that are hacked & crack and is happy to eliminate them, it is also possible that many legitimate users just don’t yet have broadband.”

    Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    “I was trying to think of some way in which games could be remotely verified without internet, but I’m not sure it could be done. Like the way modern TVs can download there firmware over the broadcast radio signal. May be they have something cleaver up their sleeve, using a phone or TV signal type connection. Something the user can’t switch off, as it’s integral to the hardware and operation of the machine.”

    Cable boxes use a network signal coming over the net. I doubt MS will set up radio towers for this… unless there’s subliminal messages tell their sheeple to continue paying for services free everywhere.. ;)

    “For now it’s all rumours at this stage, though I do think there is something behind a lock-down on the second hand games market. I personally think MS & Sony will be implementing this, and that it will have the full support of the game publishers, who stand to gain the most from the death of the second hand games market.”

    The lock down will be called digital games. Not technically a lockdown, but a start to one. We’ll probably continue to see the “online pass” from Sony. If MS incorporates that it’ll certainly not be the end of the world, but they shouldn’t also be charging for basic online play too then.

  11. CaptBirdman:

    @Godless

    “The game publishers more than Sony & MS probably want this to happen, after all, as it stands right now they have F all to gain from the sale of a second hand game, except maybe the occasional sale of an online pass.”

    I have to disagree wholeheartedly with this.

    How is it, exactly, that they SHOULD gain from a second hand sale? I’m curious. This is tantamount to saying no other person should be allowed to WATCH someone else play a game. I mean, think about it.

    What’s the difference between playing a game and watching a game? Having your hand on the controller? To me, that difference is trivial. So with that said, it’s like saying you can’t play a game at your mate’s house, because they are experiencing the game without paying for it…

    That’s bollocks and I will be done with gaming if this happens. Or I’ll become a hacker. I have the technical know-how to do so.

    As an aside: about blu-ray being irrelevant to gaming– guess whose fault that is? Lazy devs. I can vouch for devs being lazy (hello, game tester!). They didn’t want to push the envelope on PS3 because porting from Xbox was just…so…simple. Blu-Ray could have become so much more had people utilized it the way it was meant. The difference is staggering, and the fact that you can’t see the difference is abhorrent.

    Compare your average DVD to a Blu Ray. The quality is not trivial my good man, and gaming could have become better for it, had developing for the LCD not held it back…

    It’s akin to how humans would be so much more advanced had the church not suppressed science.

  12. gunstar:

    Microsuck did not enter video games to make games but to give Sony a hard time. Because they felt threatened by the PlayStation brand dominating the living room.

    That is why they are not as prolific as Sony in making new games.

    They are only here to suck money out of gullible Americans.

  13. oldschool1987:

    Bird just owned Godless.

  14. Godless:

    Capt

    Regarding game sales.

    The way I see it, they are selling you the rights to play the game. Why should you then have any right to sell it on?.
    Say the game is traded in 5 times in its life, that basically means 5 people played that game but the Dev got one sale? only gamestop or whoever is making any money, This does not help developers in any way.
    There’s nothing to stop you and your buddy playing it together so long as the account that owns the rights to play the game is logged in.

    Bluray is irrelevant to gaming. .PS3 has proved it, there has been nothing to stop devs utilising the space on a blu ray, and indeed, many of them do use it to make several duplicate copies of the same data to try and speed up load times on a format that is just too slow to stream data from.

    As a movie format, I would not argue that it is better than DVD, but at just 24fps, it’s far from being the best format we will see.

    I agree with the church holding back science thing, but it totally does not mirror what MS has done for consoles. Do you really think we would have all the stuff we do now without MS dragging Sony by their arsholes into this gen?

  15. phranctoast:

    From strictly a publisher point of view the used market can be viewed in multiple ways.

    On one hand you don’t want the game played and played and played while only one sale gets attributed to it for you as a publisher.

    On the other hand you don’t care if your game gets played and played and played and you only see one sale for that.

    Only one situation I can think of that makes a publisher want to latter rather than the former, and that to gain popularity for a sequel.

    Although, look how many times a game had come out, sold poorly, was considered a great game none the less due to word of mouth.

    If not for the second hand market it’s possible we wouldn’t have a sequel to Dead Space. Although..The used market can also be blamed for no sequel of Enslaved.

    It works both ways.

    “Bluray is irrelevant to gaming. .PS3 has proved it, there has been nothing to stop devs utilising the space on a blu ray, and indeed, many of them do use it to make several duplicate copies of the same data to try and speed up load times on a format that is just too slow to stream data from.”

    Like Capt said. Least Common Denominator (LCD). Games are made to tailor to the 360′s limitations so high definition textures and additional bonus PS3 owners would see don’t happen. Also, wasn’t it established that Microsoft themselves put their foot down and said “No” to anything that makes PS3 games significantly better than their 360 counterparts with extra content or risk the game not being allowed to be on the 360. Larger publishers could call MS’s bluff, but you can see how on a larger scale the industry is being squeezed..

  16. phranctoast:

    *aplogize from what appears to be poor grammar*

    I type too fast for my own good sometims.

  17. CaptBirdman:

    “The way I see it, they are selling you the rights to play the game. Why should you then have any right to sell it on?”

    Wait, really? You mean to tell me you believe after you’ve sold me something, I don’t really own it, nor can I do whatever I wish with it?

    Hmm… tough sell. There’s no difference between this and a used car. You sold me the car, I can sell it again, hell maybe even at profit.

    “Say the game is traded in 5 times in its life, that basically means 5 people played that game but the Dev got one sale? only gamestop or whoever is making any money, This does not help developers in any way.”

    That’s utter bullshit. They made their money on the game. After that, it is in the wild and therefor they have no right nor say in the matter.

    I bet you don’t realise that Jurassic Park was very different from the novel by Michael Crichton. He sold the rights to Universal and they did what they wanted to do when making the film. After you have sold something, you no longer have any say with what happens to it. This is how the legal system in Britain (and America) works. What the fuck does ‘rights to play the game’ even mean? If I have the disc in my hand after paying for it, it shouldn’t matter if I wanted to shit on it then light it on fire– it’s mine!

    If I wanted to sell it, the devs SHOULDN’T get money for it, I should.

    And I wasn’t talking about MS, I was talking about devs. They are lazy, therefor Blu-ray ‘doesn’t really matter’.

  18. oldschool1987:

    Seriously Godless you’re defending them stopping us from selling on our own property? Loyal Xbot til the end. PS4 does this and I’ll boycott it. My disc and I’ll do what I want.

    Blu ray is irrelevant. Yeah ok, how was it swapping disc about 8 times during Me3? Do side mission, swap disc, do priority, swap disc.

  19. CaptBirdman:

    If you have a problem with what I’m saying I just have one question.

    How are video games different from books? Or rather, how are video games so unique that they warrant special treatment over every other consumer product on this planet up to and including books?

  20. CaptBirdman:

    “PS4 does this and I’ll boycott it”

    Here, fucking here. I’m not that far up a company’s arse to support something as insane as this. I’d boycott Sony the INSTANT they announce this madness.

  21. phranctoast:

    Didn’t Michael Crichton write the screenplay to Jurassic Park the Movie? ;)

  22. CaptBirdman:

    Yeah I reckon he did, but the writers made significant changes to his story.

  23. phranctoast:

    Definitely. Hammond dying being the biggie. They later used that same Compies scene in JP2 the movie.

  24. CaptBirdman:

    Yeah I noticed they used a lot of elements from the novel in the second film, and also the third film.

  25. phranctoast:

    I was annoyed how they switched up the sex of the characters a bit. In the first books, the boy and girl were switched. She was the dinosaur nut and he was the computer nerd.

    In the second Malcolm’s adopted black daughter was really a black male student that stowed away in the trailer.

    Not the biggest deal but weird none the less.

  26. dans:

    Since we’re talking about Jurassic Park…

    http://i.imgur.com/9VTYHQ2.jpg

  27. dans:

    “If you have a problem with what I’m saying I just have one question.

    How are video games different from books? Or rather, how are video games so unique that they warrant special treatment over every other consumer product on this planet up to and including books?”

    *cough* … that’s two questions ;)

    But I do agree with the sentiment. Why do developers feel they should get preferential treatment. I’m afraid they just need to man the fuck up deal with it.

  28. dans:

    Well… that was the wrong JP link … hahahaha

    Funny nonetheless though, right? :D

    Here’s the proper one:

    http://i.imgur.com/SxgYRbY.jpg

  29. Roca.:

    “Some of them are ideas for that, and some of them are just good ideas.”

    I hope Sony take a lot of ideas from its own site
    http://share.blog.us.playstation.com

  30. CaptBirdman:

    “*cough* … that’s two questions ”

    Lol noooo I streamlined the question by making it…more complex…wait, that’s paradoxical yet still seems to make sense… hahaha

    And my goodness Beyonce looks horrible there. No different from a normal day, ‘sfar as I’m concerned. ;)

  31. oldschool1987:

    “Here, fucking here”

    Glad you agree pal. Won’t do next gen consoles if they start locking everything up and taking away consumer freedom. If 720 does this then PS4 has won before next gen begins (Wii U is current gen ;) ). If PS4 does it ill stick to the Steam Box, I prey for HL3!!!

  32. dans:

    @OS

    Did you hear about the Half Life film?

  33. Roca.:

    Ouch

    http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/2/7/3964014/rayman-legends-wii-u-delayed-september-headed-to-xbox-ps3

  34. oldschool1987:

    There’s always something about a Half Life movie but yeah I heard the recent talks with JJ Abrams and Gabe Newell. Portal movie as well. These work well as games but as a 2hour movie I don’t know. Maybe a expensive mini series, same as Mass Effect would be better as a 3 season show. A movie won’t do it much good, the worlds too deep with too much history. I can’t see the HL movie happening. Abrams is too busy making every sci fi movie ever lol.

  35. phranctoast:

    Half life movie. Aweome. Portal….not much.

  36. CarlB:

    The only upside I could see with any or all of the big three locking down used games is the price of the games themselves going down considerably. It’s possible they could stay at the same price but I doubt it, as too many gamers simply wouldn’t be able to afford it. The devs/pubs could still profit more as copies wouldn’t be resold indefinitely.

    In essence, PSN+ gives us a preview of what the always online could look like. I believe it to be a precursor of things to come. Locking out used games doesn’t have to be a bad thing, though it could be.

  37. Roca.:

    This game looks amazing….and somehow Godless have seem graphics like this on the 360 (lmao)

    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8371/8454204542_434260215d_o.jpg

    Rumor: Rumor: Two Next-Gen Racers and Guerrilla Games PS4 Project Revealing February 20th

    h**p://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/02/06/rumor-two-next-gen-racers-and-guerrilla-games-ps4-project-revealing-february-20th/

  38. oldschool1987:

    That’s Ascension? Wow!

    *Jaw hits floor*

    PS3 now has about 10 games that look miles better than the 360s best. Blu ray really makes all the difference in the world.

  39. me_:

    “Games are made to tailor to the 360?s limitations so high definition textures and additional bonus PS3 owners would see don’t happen. ”

    I don’t think the PS3 could handle any better textures than it gets at the moment.

    Take Skyrim for example, the textures on the PC looked much much better than the PS3 even though what was on the disc was essentially the same. After the release of the game they also released a PC texture upgrade pack to replace some of the dodgy textures that the PC inherited from the consoles.

    They could have put the higher resolution textures on the Blu Ray but why bother? The PS3 couldn’t get the most of the low res textures so why put anything better on the disc?

  40. Godless:

    ME
    “They could have put the higher resolution textures on the Blu Ray but why bother? The PS3 couldn’t get the most of the low res textures so why put anything better on the disc?”

    Absolutely. . .The PS3 fanboys keep ranting on about high res textures when the PS3 can barley handle low res, It simple does not have enough ram to deal with high res.
    In fact both consoles have a just a handful of games that actually play @ 1080P, Never mind high res textures.

    Capt
    “Hmm… tough sell. There’s no difference between this and a used car. You sold me the car, I can sell it again, hell maybe even at profit.”

    Way off. . .Big difference is that a car is Hardware, Like your PS3 system. ..Nothing to stop you selling on hardware. . .YET ;)

    The game is software, and is a form of entertainment.
    The way I see it, it’s more like you buying a movie ticket, watching the movie, then selling your ticket to someone out side the theatre so they can go watch the movie using your ticket. Is that fare?

    I think it’s only fare, that every one who plays a game is due the developers/publishers some money for that experience.
    Why the hell are you due money for selling on something that others have spend money and time producing.

    Like I said, I’m not against the devs locking down games, maybe second hand the disc is a kind of extended demo, which you can then pay a fee to the dev to unlock the full game license. I think someone else described it as “online pass on steroids” or something. I see nothing wrong with this at all.

    In fact I think it is probably necessary for the future of the gaming industry, and is in effect what you get from buying via DD anyways, So it’s not such a huge leap into the unknown. Difference being that if you own the disk, you will always have the game even if it becomes unavailable via DD.

  41. me_:

    “If PS4 does it ill stick to the Steam Box”

    Your solution is to go to a system that’s just as locked down. That’ll show em!

    “Why the hell are you due money for selling on something that others have spend money and time producing.”

    If the licensing agreement gives me the right to resell of course I’m ‘due money’. Everybody spends money and time producing everything, it doesn’t mean they retain property rights forever.

    On the other hand I don’t really understand everybody whining. If it really is much a bad idea they’ll be punished in the marketplace.

  42. Godless:

    Roca
    “Rumor: Rumor: Two Next-Gen Racers and Guerrilla Games PS4 Project Revealing February 20th”

    One sounds like it will be Forza Horizon, the other could be interesting but blur was not that good. I’d be far more interested in a next gen Split second, or Dirt type game

  43. CaptBirdman:

    @Godless

    Curious that you use the term ‘way off’ and then go on to say

    “The way I see it, it’s more like you buying a movie ticket, watching the movie, then selling your ticket to someone out side the theatre so they can go watch the movie using your ticket. Is that fare?”

    See, you’re getting breaking the law confused with devs taking the piss. There is no law against reselling something you’ve purchased, but there is for scalping.

    Way off indeed.

    Stop saying license; that’s not the crux of this argument. The point is not that they are playing and selling a license, it’s that people are selling a disc with a game on it– and it’s legal to do so because they purchased the thing. It is analogous to cars (or even books) because they are both products for consumers to consume.

    The only argument you could make for license is download only games…this would be analogous to a driving simulator. Doesn’t matter if it’s hardware or software, if I have it in my hands, I should be able to sell it, unless otherwise agreed upon.

    If devs feel that I don’t really own the disc that I purchased, and am only experiencing their game, then they need to only experience my money and not try to use it to purchase their BMWs.

  44. oldschool1987:

    “Take Skyrim for example, the textures on the PC looked much much better than the PS3 even though what was on the disc was essentially the same. After the release of the game they also released a PC texture upgrade pack to replace some of the dodgy textures that the PC inherited from the consoles.”

    And yet PS3 used better textures in Rage and Battlefield 3. Fail.

  45. oldschool1987:

    “They could have put the higher resolution textures on the Blu Ray but why bother? The PS3 couldn’t get the most of the low res textures so why put anything better on the disc?”

    You know why. Microsoft has a policy where no PS3 multiplat can look too much better and have more features than the 360 version. Would you like a link to this or do you know what I’m talking about?

  46. oldschool1987:

    Also Skyrim was made on the LCD and ported to the PS3 so the PS3 version suffers. If it was made on PS3 at without worrying about the LCD it would look a lot better than it does now and the 360 version would be scaled now. Like FFXIII which took a huge hit.

  47. phranctoast:

    @dans

    http://thechive.com/2013/02/08/the-internet-doesnt-care-about-beyonces-feelings-34-photos/

  48. dans:

    LOL phranc! There’s some real crackers in there!

  49. oldschool1987:

    I like the one where she’s got the books lol

  50. dans:

    Conan and his wife

    http://i.imgur.com/PlnFq8E.jpg

  51. oldschool1987:

    Lmfao! Internet cracks me up. Fucking publicist trying to hide pictures! She’s just made the pics go viral, serves her right haha.

    Angelina Jolies leg was the best still, that was hilarious.

  52. oldschool1987:

    Dan what was that Netflix site again to get the USA Netflix?

  53. dans:

    With firefox or Chrome

    https://mediahint.com/

  54. dans:

    I’ve watched all of the Walking Dead that’s available on it (2 seasons), and now almost finished the 1st season of Revenge (really enjoying it).

    Any reccomendations for what to go for next Netflix users? I’m tempted by The West Wing but I’ve already seen it and I want to experience something new.

  55. phranctoast:

    I’m glad I gave revenge a shot. Very count of monte cristo like. I just wish they could lay off the silly over the top teenage like drama BS at times.

  56. phranctoast:

    @dans.

    Try White Collar or Being Human U.S version. Although you may prefer the Brit version. Forgot where you’re from. I watch UK stuff with subtitles. ;)

  57. oldschool1987:

    Thank you Dan.

  58. dans:

    Gonna give White Collar a shot first, I think. If I do watch Being Human though, it will definitely be the UK version. ;)

  59. CaptBirdman:

    @Dans

    Not sure if you’re into Korean dramas, but there is a plethora…

    I’m currently gnashing through season 7 of 24, and trying to get my otaku on and watch some anime. Netflix’s streaming is pretty thin though….

  60. CaptBirdman:

    ” I watch UK stuff with subtitles.”

    lmfao… I hate you…

  61. dans:

    @bird

    Never really been my thing to be honest, mate.

  62. greenLanternfan:

    If there’s two next gen racers, hopefully one of them is GT6.

  63. oldschool1987:

    UK stuff needs subtitles. It’s all that rhyming slang shit lol.

  64. CaptBirdman:

    @Oldie

    You mean those Cockney blokes? lol yeah.. I laugh at them all the time, but that’s because they’re funny as hell. Mum ‘is Cockney’.

  65. CaptBirdman:

    @Dans

    Yeah I thought not. But you’d have thought most people wouldn’t have taken to Gangnam style the way they have (first video to a billion views).

    We Koreans are taking over the world mate ;)

  66. oldschool1987:

    I love American TV, it literally is my favourite thing ever. Unmatched but Only Fools and Horses is THEE greatest comedy of all time. Lovely Jubbly ;)

  67. me_:

    “Also Skyrim was made on the LCD and ported to the PS3 so the PS3 version suffers. If it was made on PS3 at without worrying about the LCD it would look a lot better than it does now and the 360 version would be scaled now. Like FFXIII which took a huge hit.”

    What a load of shit.

    Skyrim looked amazing on the PC. LCD my ass.

  68. ncaissie:

    ““There are rumours that the next xbox will come in two flavours. One SKU without the bluray and a larger 1 terabyte drive to support a digital download only philosophy.”
    You just made that up just so you can defend Microsoft… You’re such a loyal fanboy. Microsoft was wrong and now they can’t anything but eat their words and embrace bluray (MS didn’t care about its users, depriving them from enjoying HD content via the standard physical format)”

    LOL exactly. Link please godless

  69. oldschool1987:

    “Skyrim looked amazing on the PC. LCD my ass”

    Awe bless, you didn’t understand my comment. I meant the console version. The console version of these games was made on 360 and (poorly) ported to PS3. If you think PS3 couldn’t handle the textures of Skyrim and animations of the PC version then why is the character animations of Uncharted leaps better tha Skyrim. You’re either being stupid on purpose or you’re just stupid.

    360 is the LCD.

    Fact.

  70. me_:

    I really don’t think I can explain to you why what you just said is silly in a way you’ll understand. It’s fairly obvious that you have no idea how the hardware of these systems works, all you know is Blu Ray is da bomb FACT.

    It’s like arguing with a 10 year old.

  71. oldschool1987:

    I like how you totally dodged my points. Skyrim for consoles was made on 360 and ported to PS3 and it looked and played awfully because it was catered to the LCD.

    FACT.

  72. me_:

    It was also ported to PC and looked great. Didn’t seem to be much of a problem with the LCD there.

    Skyrim was really pushing against the limits of the consoles and that’s why it looks bad on both of them. The PS3 couldn’t handle the low res textures (which is why it looked so much cleaner on PC) so giving it even better looking textures would just make the game unplayable.

    In this case Blu Ray is completely irrelevant. It’s like putting high octane fuel in a Prius.

  73. oldschool1987:

    So explain, how does the PS3 version of BF3 have super textures on the same disc?

    PC version of Skyrim was made on PC. Console versions were done on 360. PS3 is the most powerful and best selling console this generation with the 360 2nd and Wii U last for now. Name ONE 360 game with graphics, animation and textures as high as Uncharted 2. Nay, MGS4 from ’08 lmao. And stop crying about the PC, everytime you lose an argument you pretend we’re on about the PC. I know the PC wipes the floor with this gen, that’s not up for debate. PS3 and 360 kid.

    Blu ray is irrelevant!? LMFAO! Hahaha!Enjoy swapping discs on Mass Effect 2 and 3 about 50 times on the 360. What is the 720 going for, Blu Ray right? Can’t be that irrelevant lol. Swapping discs is irrelevant these days. It needs to go the way of the floppy disc.

  74. me_:

    “PC version of Skyrim was made on PC. Console versions were done on 360″

    You were on the development team were you? If not a link to support your claim is required.

  75. oldschool1987:

    So it was made on 360 and ported to PC where somehow it looks better than the machine it was made on? Lol moron. There’s not a link to support yours. Once again you’re getting owned and not coming back with any decent counter argument.

  76. oldschool1987:

    Questions dodged:

    “Name ONE 360 game with graphics, animation and textures as high as Uncharted 2. Nay, MGS4 from ’08″

    “So explain, how does the PS3 version of BF3 have super textures on the same disc?”

  77. me_:

    “Name ONE 360 game with graphics, animation and textures as high as Uncharted 2. Nay, MGS4 from ’08?

    Don’t know, don’t care. It’s irrelevant to the discussion. Also you’re trying to focus on animation because it can only really be judged subjectively, like your previous attempts to rate “epicness”. It’s a silly question designed for a 10 year old fanboy war, not a rational discussion.

    “So explain, how does the PS3 version of BF3 have super textures on the same disc?”

    You can put the textures on the disc (I said that previously) but the PS3 is incapable of displaying them properly. It’s simple to understand once you get you head around the hardware. Keep trying… you may get there one day.

    Done.

    “So it was made on 360 and ported to PC where somehow it looks better than the machine it was made on? Lol moron. ”

    Before you start with your Gen Y LOLs read this thread;

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1168692/is-skyrim-a-console-port

    A lot of people that know a lot more about hardware than you think it’s a port. The fact that it was launched on PC with console quality textures (which were later updated) suggests the consoles were the main focus.

    It’s a good example because PC and PS3 got the same textures to start with and the PC looked a lot better. The textures were then upgraded on PC but they didn’t bother with the PS3 because it was maxed out already. With complex graphics like Skyrim textures < 6GB are more than enough for a system with such limited and out-dated graphics hardware.

    For somebody who spends so much time on games forums you really don't have the first clue about hardware. You just parrot what others say like "wow, BF3 has super textures on PS3" with no understanding of what that means. Sad really.

  78. oldschool1987:

    “Don’t know, don’t care. It’s irrelevant to the discussion. Also you’re trying to focus on animation because it can only really be judged subjectively, like your previous attempts to rate “epicness”. It’s a silly question designed for a 10 year old fanboy war, not a rational discussion.”

    DODGED.

    “You can put the textures on the disc (I said that previously) but the PS3 is incapable of displaying them properly. It’s simple to understand once you get you head around the hardware. Keep trying… you may get there one day”

    DODGED.

    LOL! Nice try but you were avoiding answering again by pretending to explain haha. That was an epic fail.

    So Skyrim has more realistic animations than Uncharted? The characters move just a fluidly and as realistic?

    PS3 version of BF3 has better textures than Skyrim so it obviously CAN handle the textures. Keep trying and failing troll.

  79. me_:

    Ok, that’s about enough. Your arguments have degenerated into LOL,hahhahahaha,troll and FACT.

    I just can’t make any sense of it anymore.

  80. Roca.:

    Me just got OWNED!

  81. oldschool1987:

    Lol ok Me, if that’s your excuse for failing your argument haha.

    Watch this, because I said that he’ll come back with “But, but, but TEH POWERZ OF ZE PC!” Or some shit. Everytime I go on about the 360 holding this gen back you come and defend it and when I prove you wrong you switch your argument to PC. Fucking pathetic.

  82. CaptBirdman:

    I wouldn’t say the 360 is holding this gen back… perhaps graphics and processing power… but not this generation.

    If anything it helped push it further.

  83. CarlB:

    “So Skyrim has more realistic animations than Uncharted?”

    I don’t think so, yet at the same time I think the world and gameplay in Skyrim seems much more massive than Uncharted. I think PS3 suffered in Skyrim as it has in other multiplat open world/RPG games because of it’s RAM and unique architecture.

    This isn’t to say that a developer could not do a better job given enough time, just that it seems most (not all) developers cannot afford the extra time and those extra resources for multiplats in general with given deadlines and initial funding.

    From what I understand, this is the first gen programmers have really had to deal with multi-core processing in home consoles, so, considering now that they are more familiar with it combined with the fact that the next gen will see much more RAM in hardware, we should see less of these SNAFU’s.

  84. oldschool1987:

    “I think PS3 suffered in Skyrim as it has in other multiplat open world/RPG games because of it’s RAM and unique architecture”

    GTAIV and LA Noire seemed fine, in fact ran slightly better on the PS3. This is Bethesdas fault for being unable to work the PS3 (they’ve had 6-7 years) and taking the easier route which wasnt better.

    Also the goodwill which Bethesda were trying to gain back from PS3 users by offering all Skyrim DLC for half price for a week has been scrapped because that same week the 360 gets the same offer. Fuck Bethesda.

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